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Episode #3976 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive July 2005 · The World of Phil Hendrie

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to another Radio Archive Hour today, the second
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Speaker 1: day of November 2026, from the Hall of Fame Phil
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Speaker 1: Hendry Show and philhendryshow.com. This is from July of 2005,
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Speaker 1: and apparently during this particular time, there were quite a
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Speaker 1: few shark attacks happening in the state of Florida. So
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Speaker 1: we brought on this character we named Bert Jerome, and
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Speaker 1: Bert basically said that if you're physically fit, you can
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Speaker 1: survive and even fend off a shark attack, so that
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Speaker 1: when you see fitness freaks and you see weightlifters and
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Speaker 1: you see people like that out in the world, Don't
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Speaker 1: make fun of them because they could be saving your
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Speaker 1: ass someday from a shark. That's the premise. So here
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Speaker 1: is Bert Jerome, folks, and the sharks. We have Bert
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Speaker 1: Jerome on the phone with us from the South Florida
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Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce in Miami to talk about this. Bert,
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Speaker 1: how are you this evening?
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Speaker 2: Phil, I'm well. How are you?
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Speaker 1: Very good. First of all, how's business?
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Speaker 2: Phil, business is doing very, very well. We're concerned, certainly,
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Speaker 2: about our tourists, and we want people to come to
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Speaker 2: Florida and come to particularly the South Beach area, the
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Speaker 2: South Florida area, the Gold Coast area, and enjoy themselves.
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Speaker 2: We're concerned, but business is good, and I think people
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Speaker 2: see shark attack in its proper context. These are wild animals,
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Speaker 2: and we are interacting with them. On the other hand,
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Speaker 2: I think it's important, even if I am a member
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Speaker 2: of a chamber of commerce, I think it's important to
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Speaker 2: make sure that people recognize what it is they're dealing with.
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Speaker 2: A shark attack is not funny. It is not anything
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Speaker 2: that you joke about. It can be terribly traumatic and
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Speaker 2: certainly fatal.
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Speaker 1: Was I told earlier, and I'm right, you were attacked
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Speaker 1: by a shark?
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Speaker 2: I was, Phil. I was attacked by what is called
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Speaker 2: a bull shark.
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Speaker 1: Where was this?
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Speaker 2: This was in Biscayne Bay. in 1997, and I was
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Speaker 2: probably in no more than about five feet of water
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Speaker 2: when it happened.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about this.
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Speaker 2: Well, as anyone can tell you who has been hit
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Speaker 2: by a shark initially, you know it. I knew I'd
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Speaker 2: been bitten by something. I saw the dorsal above the waterline,
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Speaker 2: and I was probably about 25 yards offshore. I did
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Speaker 2: what is really instinctual, I guess. I began kicking and
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Speaker 2: punching and sort of trying to drive this animal away.
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Speaker 2: We have in the Florida area anywhere from 15 to
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Speaker 2: 30 shark attacks a year. They can be very aggressive attacks.
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Speaker 2: They can injure a swimmer to the point where there
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Speaker 2: is enormous loss of blood. They are predatory, and contrary
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Speaker 2: to what's been said recently about how sharks are not
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Speaker 2: really attracted to human beings, many sharks, especially the bull shark,
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Speaker 2: will literally eat anything. It's not a pleasant experience being
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Speaker 2: attacked by one.
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Speaker 1: What are you recommending to people, that they go swimming,
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Speaker 1: that they don't go swimming?
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Speaker 2: There are people, Phil, I think there's two schools of
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Speaker 2: thought on this, but this is, I'm going to try
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Speaker 2: to give you the state-of-the-art information about shark attack and
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Speaker 2: about what you should do as an individual to decide
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Speaker 2: for yourself if you want to go swimming. I've read
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Speaker 2: a lot of quotes in the newspapers about tourists saying,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to go in the water, and And
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Speaker 2: I suppose I can't blame them, but there are people
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Speaker 2: who can survive a shark attack, especially an attack by,
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about a feeding predatory shark. And the people
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Speaker 2: most likely able to survive that attack are people who
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Speaker 2: are in pretty good physical condition, but most people are
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Speaker 2: not going to be able to withstand, I don't think,
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Speaker 2: the enormous muscular energy that you're up against with a shark.
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Speaker 1: So are you saying that someone who is in better
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Speaker 1: physical condition, healthier?
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Speaker 2: I would say that if you work out, if you
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Speaker 2: do a lot of physical conditioning, if you are active
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Speaker 2: physically and have a low body fat ratio, there's a
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Speaker 2: better than that even chance that you'll be able to
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Speaker 2: overpower the animal, at least to the point of driving
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Speaker 2: it away. If, on the other hand, you're like most people,
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Speaker 2: you're not going to be much of a match for
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Speaker 2: a shark, I happen to do a great deal of
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Speaker 2: weightlifting myself. I do calisthenics, and it was my good
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Speaker 2: fortune to be in the good physical shape where I
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Speaker 2: was able to physically drive this bull shark away.
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Speaker 1: Well, then the people that have been seriously injured by
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Speaker 1: shark attack, either they didn't know how to fight the
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Speaker 1: animal off or they were not in the best physical shape?
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Speaker 2: It's probably a situation of both, Phil. If you do
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Speaker 2: a fair amount of lifting, calisthenics, if you do any
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Speaker 2: kind of yoga, or if you do any kind of...
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Speaker 2: I don't know, gymnastics, especially format gymnastics, you've got a
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Speaker 2: better than even chance, I think, in the water with
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Speaker 2: a shark. That's why I have to say there's an
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Speaker 2: old story. I just got to impart it to you, Phil.
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Speaker 2: There's an old story about the bully kicking sand into
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Speaker 2: the kid's face on the beach. And the story goes
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Speaker 2: he's a larger, more muscular man, and he's, you know,
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Speaker 2: picking on the skinny guy. Well, that muscular guy who
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Speaker 2: just kicked sand in your face is.
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Speaker 2: Is probably the one on the beach that has the
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Speaker 2: best chance of driving a shark attack away through sheer
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Speaker 2: physical force. And I would say that that weakling, and
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Speaker 2: I would submit to you that that weakling, that the
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Speaker 2: time has come that we maybe stop talking in degrading
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Speaker 2: terms about people who lift, do calisthenics, do floor calisthenics,
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Speaker 2: do floor gymnastics, that we stop talking about them as
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Speaker 2: being not particularly bright because they could save your life.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's if they get in the water with a...
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Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever heard of a person who
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Speaker 1: was in top physical condition going into the water and
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Speaker 1: saving someone from a shark attack?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think the reason why you don't hear it
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Speaker 2: more often, Phil, and it has happened, is that the
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Speaker 2: average person who is in prime physical condition has to
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Speaker 2: put up with a lot from the culture, this negative
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Speaker 2: stereotype about people who are in top physical condition also
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Speaker 2: lacking in gray matter. So what I think happens more
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Speaker 2: often than not, and I think the statistics will bear
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Speaker 2: this out, is that a person in top physical condition
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Speaker 2: who may witness another person being attacked by a shark,
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Speaker 2: may hesitate to get into the water to assist in
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Speaker 2: that situation because he or she is saying, well, now
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, I will be risking my life for
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Speaker 2: a segment of the population that ordinarily disparages me. So
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Speaker 2: I think there's a hesitation there to get into the
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Speaker 2: water and save that person.
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Speaker 1: All right, our number is 1-800-449-8686, 1-800-449-8686. Talking here with
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Speaker 1: Bert Jerome from the South Florida Chamber of Commerce on
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Speaker 1: yet another summer and another series of shark attacks, this
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Speaker 1: time a little bit earlier in the summer than I
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Speaker 1: recall a few years ago. I say a few years ago,
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Speaker 1: it might be four years now, when there was a
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Speaker 1: series of really serious attacks in August and in early September.
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Speaker 1: And Bert is talking with us about a shark attack
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Speaker 1: and what you can do to prevent it. Now, you
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Speaker 1: have emphasized here that people in good physical condition can
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Speaker 1: not only survive a shark attack, but can drive off
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Speaker 1: an attack.
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Speaker 2: That is most likely, Phil, what's going to be the outcome.
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Speaker 2: But most people are not in the kind of physical
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Speaker 2: shape you'd need to be in to literally drive away
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Speaker 2: a predatory attack, let's say, by a bull shark. I've
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Speaker 2: got some statistics. For instance, the shark that attacked me
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Speaker 2: in 1997 in Biscayne Bay, Phil, was about a 14-foot-long shark.
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Speaker 2: And that is generally, it weighs anywhere from, well, that
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Speaker 2: was probably about a 200, 250-pound shark. And the eating
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Speaker 2: habits of a bull shark are generally going to be
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Speaker 2: crustaceans and this kind of thing. But fortunately for me,
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Speaker 2: I'm in good physical shape, and that's not mostly the
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Speaker 2: case of people on the beach. I'm able, in that instance,
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Speaker 2: I was able to grab the animal and to sort
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Speaker 2: of just keep it submerged, not let it get away
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Speaker 2: and sort of drown it for a while.
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Speaker 1: Well, you've got to be in some really serious physical
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Speaker 1: shape to do that, right?
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Speaker 2: You do, and you also have to have a fair
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Speaker 2: amount of confidence. But I would recommend that unless you're
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Speaker 2: in optimum physical condition, and that is you do a
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Speaker 2: good amount of weightlifting, you do a lot of jogging,
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Speaker 2: if you're an individual who does chin-ups or you do
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Speaker 2: deep knee bends, you've got a better than average chance
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Speaker 2: of surviving a shark attack. I would say that if
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Speaker 2: you're not that kind of a person and you are
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Speaker 2: attacked by a shark, I would not necessarily look to
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Speaker 2: the individual on the beach who is in good physical
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Speaker 2: condition to come and save you because, again, it's most
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Speaker 2: likely that that individual is smarting a little bit from
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Speaker 2: being disparaged as a fitness fanatic, and they're not likely
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Speaker 2: going to want to go into the ocean and save somebody.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, have you ever seen somebody get attacked
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Speaker 1: by a shark?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I have, and it's a horrible thing to witness. Fortunately,
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Speaker 2: the person was not seriously hurt.
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Speaker 1: Was your instinct to go and help them?
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Speaker 2: My instinct was to go to the water and help
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Speaker 2: them fill. And, again, as I say, I do a
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Speaker 2: fair amount of lifting. I do a lot of.
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Speaker 2: I do a lot of yoga. I do a lot
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Speaker 2: of Pilates and spinning. And I wanted to go in
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Speaker 2: the water. But I had just had an altercation with
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Speaker 2: a gentleman who considered me to be not all that
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Speaker 2: intelligent because I'm a physical fitness freak, if you will.
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Speaker 2: And so I was still smarting from that. And when
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Speaker 2: I saw this man get attacked, he reminded me of
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Speaker 2: the guy that I'd just been talking to. So I
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Speaker 2: just stayed on the blanket on the beach and I
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Speaker 2: remember I just crossed my legs and kept watching. But
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Speaker 2: the lifeguards went out there, and he wasn't seriously hurt.
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Speaker 1: And you didn't want to help this guy because he
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Speaker 1: was part of that segment of society that makes fun
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Speaker 1: of fitness freaks?
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Speaker 2: I don't have any idea, but it was my initial reaction.
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Speaker 2: I looked at him. He didn't look like he was
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Speaker 2: in good physical shape. And I realized I was going
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Speaker 2: to be risking my life for a guy who probably
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Speaker 2: in another half hour or two hours would disparage me
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Speaker 2: because I do a lot of spinning. I do a
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Speaker 2: lot of swimming. I enjoy stretching exercises and so forth.
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Speaker 1: All right, 1-800-449-8686. That's a whole lot to digest. That
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Speaker 1: is Bert Jordan from the South Florida Chamber of Commerce
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Speaker 1: on shark attack. And the people most likely able to
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Speaker 1: survive a shark attack, people who are in good physical shape,
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Speaker 1: he mentioned lifting, calisthenics, and floor mat gymnastics. He said
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Speaker 1: that people who will not survive a shark attack are
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Speaker 1: obviously not in good physical shape. The ones who can
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Speaker 1: drive away a shark attack most often are not going
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Speaker 1: to go into the water to help someone because... they've
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Speaker 1: been made fun of for being fitness freaks, why would
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Speaker 1: they want to risk their lives for that segment of
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Speaker 1: the population that does that? It's kind of an interesting
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Speaker 1: point of view. 1-800-449-8686. 1-800-449-8686. As we talk about shark
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Speaker 1: attack tonight here on the Phil Hendry Show with Bert
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Speaker 1: Jerome of the South Florida Chamber of Commerce. Bert Jerome
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Speaker 1: with us from the South Florida Chamber of Commerce on
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Speaker 1: shark attack and what you can do to survive shark attack.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about the physical fitness and physical conditioning of
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Speaker 1: a person? being pretty important, right?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it is, Phil, because I survived a
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Speaker 2: shark attack. There's not too many people, I think, that
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Speaker 2: can say that, and I do know that I am
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Speaker 2: involved in I am a member of a cycling club.
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Speaker 2: I do a pretty good amount of training on Nautilus equipment,
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Speaker 2: as well as universal equipment. I do lifting of free weights.
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Speaker 2: I certainly am a very active businessman, but the day
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Speaker 2: that I was attacked, I knew what to do. I
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Speaker 2: knew I had the physical strength to do it. Someone
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Speaker 2: who is less adept at less confident physically, I guess, Phil,
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Speaker 2: such as a tourist in the Florida area. We love
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Speaker 2: our tourists, but they're not very physically confident people. And
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Speaker 2: you can tell that by looking at them. You know,
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Speaker 2: the first thing you want to do when you hear
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Speaker 2: a scream coming from the water is you think to yourself, well,
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Speaker 2: there's another tourist, obviously, and certainly you want to help them.
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Speaker 2: My question is, my comment is, do I help them
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Speaker 2: at the expense of being made fun of because I'm
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Speaker 2: physically fit?
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Speaker 1: Okay, 1-800-449-8686. Here is Richard. Go ahead, Richard.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just wanted to make a comment on this.
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Speaker 5: The bottom line is it sounds a little vain. I mean,
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Speaker 5: I understand that you're interested in being in shape, you know,
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Speaker 5: physical fit.
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Speaker 2: I'm having a hard time hearing it. I can't hear
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Speaker 2: the gentleman because of it.
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Speaker 1: Your phone broke up, Richard. Say it again.
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Speaker 5: Okay, I said basically it sounds a little vain to me,
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Speaker 5: the fact that, You're talking about being physically in shape.
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Speaker 5: I think that's great. I've got a word to give
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Speaker 5: him before I'm going to give him a word about
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Speaker 5: what happened.
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Speaker 1: I've got to put you on hold, man, because your
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Speaker 1: phone is breaking up. I don't know whether you've got
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Speaker 1: a limiter on that thing or something you can turn off,
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Speaker 1: but just hold on for a second, okay?
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Speaker 5: Sure.
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Speaker 1: All right, thanks. Let's go over to Kenny. Kenny, you're
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Speaker 1: on the Phil Henry Show.
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Speaker 4: Hey, how you doing?
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Speaker 2: Fine.
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Speaker 4: Hey, I'd like to retort the guy's comment about a
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Speaker 4: 14-foot bull shark attacking him.
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Speaker 2: Well, I know what happened to me.
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Speaker 4: You estimated that the shark was 14 feet long?
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Speaker 2: No, I said 7 feet long. It was 200 pounds,
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Speaker 2: 7 feet long. Okay.
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Speaker 4: The shark was 7 feet long and a bull shark?
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 4: It would have eaten you, your bicycle, your helmet, the equipment?
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 2: I was in enough physical shape. to be able to
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Speaker 2: drive the attack off.
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Speaker 4: Don't confuse your physical shape with the will to live.
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Speaker 2: Sir, I have a question. Are you a shark expert?
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Speaker 2: Because if you're not, you're just talking out of your
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Speaker 2: rear end.
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Speaker 4: I fish in Florida.
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Speaker 2: I shark fish in New.
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Speaker 4: England every year.
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Speaker 2: I know sharks. I understand, sir.
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Speaker 4: I know sharks.
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Speaker 2: Because you know your way around a big shot.
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Speaker 4: You think you're just going to be a politician and
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Speaker 4: over-talk me?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am going to over-talk you. You're not going
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Speaker 2: to do it.
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Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, this is my show.
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Speaker 4: You can't over-talk me.
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Speaker 1: This is my show, and I will over-talk everybody. Now,
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Speaker 1: one at a time, Kenny called, so I'll give him
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Speaker 1: the first word. Kenny, be quiet, and I'll let you
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Speaker 1: start talking off a hold. Are you there? Are you there, Kenny?
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Speaker 2: All right. Go.
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Speaker 6: All right.
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Speaker 2: So you're going to let this guy?
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Speaker 1: Shut up and let this man talk. I didn't mean
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Speaker 1: to tell you to shut up, but come on. Go ahead, Kenny.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to confuse the will to live with
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Speaker 4: physical stature. It's a terrible thing what happened to this
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Speaker 4: young girl in Florida. It's a terrible thing that these
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Speaker 4: sharks got her, and she couldn't.
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Speaker 2: Fight them off.
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Speaker 4: I give props to the guy who went out there
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Speaker 4: on a surfboard. That man, I wish I had what
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Speaker 4: that guy had or has because he's a better man
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Speaker 4: than everybody talking on the show.
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Speaker 2: So you can't talk about it. So I fought one
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Speaker 2: off and that doesn't mean anything to you.
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Speaker 4: No one's talking to you for a second.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, you said you were going to give some comments.
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Speaker 2: You didn't say you were going to give a sermon.
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Speaker 4: The will to live has nothing to do with your
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Speaker 4: physical stature. And, yes, anybody can fight off a shark.
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Speaker 4: If you happen to poke it in the eye or
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Speaker 4: grab it in the gills, any shark will retreat. So
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Speaker 4: the fact to say that if you're a weightlifter or
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Speaker 4: in physical shape that you want to enter the water
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Speaker 4: to help somebody because they're a tourist, you disgust me.
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Speaker 4: You're insane is what I.
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Speaker 2: Think you are. All right, hold on.
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Speaker 4: Because you ride a bicycle.
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Speaker 1: Kenny, hold on for a minute. All right, what is
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Speaker 1: your response?
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Speaker 2: Well, the man is calling me every kind of name.
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Speaker 2: I haven't attacked him. I have simply said that I'm
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Speaker 2: in great physical shape, and I was able to repel
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Speaker 2: an attack by a bull shark. Now, because he spends
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Speaker 2: a lot of time around bait shops, great for him.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how that makes him an expert on sharks.
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Speaker 2: I was in the water with one, and I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you right now, it's a frightening experience. Yes, I have
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Speaker 2: seen tourists attacked. And yes, I do think twice. For instance,
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Speaker 2: you just heard the way this man talked to me.
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Speaker 2: If he gets attacked by a shark, you think I'm
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Speaker 2: going to go in the water and save him? The
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Speaker 2: answer to that question is no.
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Speaker 4: Can I retort that?
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, sir.
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Speaker 4: It's one in probably a million chance that you get
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Speaker 4: bit by a shark. This man has been bitten. He
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Speaker 4: has witnessed people being bitten. Where is all this happening?
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Speaker 2: You know of a place called Florida?
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Speaker 4: What are you, in Shark Central there?
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Speaker 2: Sir, every year we get somewhere between the neighborhood of
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Speaker 2: 30 to 45 shark attacks.
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Speaker 4: And you happen to be on site for most of them?
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Speaker 2: I didn't say most of them, did I? I said
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Speaker 2: I saw one attack, and I was attacked once. I
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Speaker 2: didn't say all in the same week.
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Speaker 4: And you were attacked first, then you saw another.
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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of questions for a guy that
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Speaker 2: knows how to bait a hook.
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Speaker 4: Listen, why don't you just admit that after you were attacked,
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Speaker 4: you were too afraid to enter the water to help?
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Speaker 2: You know what? You saw Jaws. You saw those guys
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Speaker 2: with that rifle and those cans of gasoline and sticks
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Speaker 2: of dynamite. That's the kind of fisherman you are.
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Speaker 4: Those are the movies, my friend.
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Speaker 2: Sir, I would say to you, try fishing the right way,
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Speaker 2: not throwing dynamite in the water.
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Speaker 4: You're living in a movie.
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Speaker 2: I'm living in a movie.
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Speaker 4: And nobody's going to write a movie about you.
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Speaker 1: All right, Kenny, thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: This guy's got an ego, Phil. A real ego. You're
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Speaker 2: a real ego case, Kenny.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what the man was saying was this.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you what he was saying, Phil. He
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Speaker 2: was saying, because I fish, I know about sharks. You've
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Speaker 2: got to be in the water with a shark. Nothing
16:53
Speaker 2: compares to the actual experience of having been attacked by
16:57
Speaker 2: a shark. And I've had that experience. Now, I can
17:00
Speaker 2: talk to all the guys in the world. All the
17:03
Speaker 2: guys that are hanging around with their chum bucket. All
17:05
Speaker 2: the guys that are hanging around baiting the hook with
17:08
Speaker 2: some sardines, sitting back with a big smelly stogie and
17:13
Speaker 2: hoping that they catch some bluegill or something on a pier.
17:17
Speaker 2: Sitting on a pier. almost as if you're in your
17:22
Speaker 2: bare feet and you've got a line on the end
17:24
Speaker 2: of a bamboo pole. Good for you. That doesn't mean
17:26
Speaker 2: you know anything.
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Speaker 1: Well, that guy didn't say he was sitting on a pier.
17:29
Speaker 2: But most of these guys that do this deep-sea fishing
17:31
Speaker 2: are what I call pier-sitters. And they know the water
17:34
Speaker 2: only from about 50 feet up in the air. So
17:38
Speaker 2: you have to understand that what my experience was was frightening.
17:42
Speaker 2: And yes, because I'm in good physical shape... and I
17:45
Speaker 2: have been made fun of by the culture at large,
17:48
Speaker 2: sometimes I don't want to help someone who needs help.
17:51
Speaker 1: And so you see someone getting attacked by a shark,
17:54
Speaker 1: and you think, well, he called me a meathead. I
17:56
Speaker 1: don't want to help him.
17:57
Speaker 2: The statistics will bear it out, yeah.
18:00
Speaker 1: All right, we're going to take a break here. 1-800-449-8686
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Speaker 1: with Mr. Bert Jerome. And, you know, this comment about
18:08
Speaker 1: how most fishermen are pier-sitters, guys that are, you know,
18:12
Speaker 1: with a bucket of chum and a smelly stogie, I
18:15
Speaker 1: don't want to get into a thing, you know, people
18:17
Speaker 1: that swim versus people that fish. All I'm trying to
18:19
Speaker 1: say is we've had a series of shark attacks. We've
18:23
Speaker 1: got a gentleman on from South Florida's Chamber of Commerce
18:25
Speaker 1: who will talk about shark attack. He claims to have
18:27
Speaker 1: been attacked by a shark. Bert Jerome back from the
18:30
Speaker 1: South Florida Chamber of Commerce in a couple of phone calls.
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Speaker 1: But I want to be clear. Are you saying that
18:34
Speaker 1: you're not going to help somebody in the water who
18:38
Speaker 1: is being attacked by a shark because they've made fun
18:41
Speaker 1: of you and other people that are physically fit?
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Speaker 2: No, no. What I'm saying is the statistics will bear
18:47
Speaker 2: me out that tourists who get attacked by sharks are
18:53
Speaker 2: these people who generally refer to those of us who
18:55
Speaker 2: love to work out, do a lot of lifting, do
18:58
Speaker 2: a lot of body sculpting and body shaping. They tend
19:01
Speaker 2: to view us with a disdain. And it's, I think,
19:06
Speaker 2: an arrogance that borders on dangerous because when you come
19:09
Speaker 2: into the waters of South Florida, when you're down here
19:11
Speaker 2: and you get... A fair number of sharks are swimming
19:14
Speaker 2: in the waters here. This time of year, and we
19:18
Speaker 2: want a lot of people to come down here to
19:20
Speaker 2: South Florida, don't get me wrong, but this time of year,
19:22
Speaker 2: you're taking your life in your hands. as witnessed by
19:25
Speaker 2: a number of recent incidents.
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Speaker 1: And if you're working for the Chamber of Commerce, it's
19:29
Speaker 1: not very good business, is it?
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Speaker 2: It's good business to tell the truth, Phil. And it's
19:33
Speaker 2: good business because if it's better business that our tourists
19:36
Speaker 2: come here, stay alive, and go home to return again,
19:39
Speaker 2: it's bad business if I say, come on down, enjoy
19:42
Speaker 2: the water, knowing full well there's a 7-foot, 200-pound bull
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Speaker 2: shark waiting to dismember themselves. possibly mutilate them, and then
19:53
Speaker 2: swim off into another feeding area. I think that's ridiculous.
19:59
Speaker 2: You do tend to think that if someone is that dumb,
20:01
Speaker 2: you don't want to save them. And I'm physically fit.
20:05
Speaker 2: I have been in two Mr. World competitions, and it's tough.
20:09
Speaker 1: All right, let me go to a phone call, 1-800-449-8686. Eric,
20:12
Speaker 1: go ahead.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm just sitting here listening to this gentleman talk,
20:16
Speaker 7: and he says that he's with the Chamber of Commerce,
20:20
Speaker 7: but he talks out the other side of his mouth
20:23
Speaker 7: about how bad tourists are.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not how bad tourists are, but just that
20:28
Speaker 2: some of them tend to look at those of us
20:31
Speaker 2: who spend our time living on the beach. The beach
20:34
Speaker 2: is my life. I do all of my lifting on
20:36
Speaker 2: the beach. My business is on the beach.
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I can appreciate that.
20:42
Speaker 2: You know, see, you just laughed because I'm a weightlifter.
20:45
Speaker 7: Well, I'm laughing because you're just really not making a
20:49
Speaker 7: whole lot of sense.
20:50
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.
20:51
Speaker 2: Do you see your reaction to somebody who is physically
20:54
Speaker 2: fit and in shape?
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Speaker 7: Well, I really don't think that sharks.
20:57
Speaker 2: You're looking down your nose at me. Why would I
20:59
Speaker 2: want to get into the water and save you from
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Speaker 2: a shark attack?
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I'm not a physically fit guy, and
21:05
Speaker 7: I don't think that sharks really look at your physical
21:07
Speaker 7: fitness either.
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Speaker 2: No, they don't, but they're going to feed on a
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Speaker 2: weaker entity. And I have a better chance of surviving
21:15
Speaker 2: a shark attack than you. Well, you can laugh if
21:18
Speaker 2: you want, but if your wife is sitting on the
21:19
Speaker 2: beach and she's looking at you flailing around out there,
21:22
Speaker 2: and I go out and help you... I think you're
21:25
Speaker 2: going to see your wife looking at me with a
21:28
Speaker 2: whole new appreciation. Well, I... Is she there?
21:31
Speaker 7: Kind of from what you've been saying, I mean, I
21:32
Speaker 7: need to do some knee bends, some cartwheels, some floor gymnastics.
21:38
Speaker 7: I mean, come on, give me a break. I mean.
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Speaker 2: Sir, if you're not in shape, you can't do floor gymnastics.
21:43
Speaker 7: Well, you know... I don't think that muscle has a
21:46
Speaker 7: whole lot to do with being in the water.
21:48
Speaker 2: I mean, it does when you're attacked by a shark.
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Speaker 1: You're making a comment here about this guy's wife.
21:55
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, who do you think she's going to
21:57
Speaker 2: look to me to save this guy? And then after
21:59
Speaker 2: I drag him out of the water by his underwear,
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Speaker 2: she's going to look at me and go, look at
22:03
Speaker 2: the guy that saved my husband.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think as a member of the Chamber of
22:10
Speaker 7: Commerce in Florida, you should be Encouraging the tourists to
22:14
Speaker 7: come there.
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Speaker 2: I am encouraging the tourists.
22:16
Speaker 7: But you're putting them down.
22:17
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to just get you to understand that
22:19
Speaker 2: if you get caught out there and you're attacked by
22:21
Speaker 2: a shark, don't come crying to me.
22:24
Speaker 1: Thank you. I've got to move on. 1-800-449-8686. David, go ahead.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, how are you doing?
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Speaker 2: Fine.
22:32
Speaker 6: I'm from Florida, and so I'm in pretty good shape.
22:36
Speaker 2: But how could you stand in line while somebody's being
22:38
Speaker 2: attacked by sharks and not give a.
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Speaker 6: Helping hand, regardless whether they think you're a bonehead or
22:44
Speaker 6: you're a meathead or something like that? I mean, you're
22:46
Speaker 6: a member of the Chamber of Commerce.
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Speaker 2: Hold on for a minute.
22:49
Speaker 6: Hold on, David.
22:50
Speaker 1: What did you say?
22:52
Speaker 2: Where are you from, David? This is Bert Jerome. Excuse me?
22:55
Speaker 2: Where are you from?
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Speaker 6: I'm from Miami, Florida.
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Speaker 2: Miami. All right. I know the Miami area very well.
23:02
Speaker 2: I live in the South Beach area myself. Do you
23:05
Speaker 2: go to South Beach?
23:06
Speaker 6: Of course I go to South Beach.
23:08
Speaker 2: You do?
23:09
Speaker 6: I was in Miami before there was a South Beach.
23:12
Speaker 2: Well, then you're aware of that African-American, the traditionally African-American
23:16
Speaker 2: beach up there near Golden Beach. You know where that is?
23:18
Speaker 6: Yeah, but, you know, that was the old days. What
23:20
Speaker 6: we're talking about right now is a guy that won't
23:22
Speaker 6: help somebody who's being.
23:23
Speaker 1: You mean the African-American beach?
23:25
Speaker 2: Well, there's a beach that's traditionally only black people go
23:27
Speaker 2: there because it used to be segregated. Now, anybody can
23:30
Speaker 2: go there, but still only black people go there. You
23:33
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying?
23:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. I know where it is. It's up near
23:36
Speaker 1: Golden Beach.
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Speaker 2: That's what I just said.
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Speaker 6: What does that have to do with you being able
23:41
Speaker 6: to help someone and you're not helping anyone?
23:42
Speaker 2: Well, I'm in great physical shape, and I'd be happy
23:45
Speaker 2: to help somebody if they weren't standing around there calling
23:48
Speaker 2: me a bonehead and a meathead because I'm ripped.
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Speaker 6: Let me explain this to you. When the shark is
23:56
Speaker 6: in the water, he's in his domain. And I don't
23:58
Speaker 6: care what state you're in, the shark will eat you up.
24:03
Speaker 1: Is that right?
24:03
Speaker 2: Or not. Are you sure, David? Because how is it
24:06
Speaker 2: I survived an attack by a bull shark? Lucky. Lucky.
24:10
Speaker 6: Not because you physically kicked it.
24:12
Speaker 2: No, I grabbed that thing and I kicked it and
24:15
Speaker 2: I beat it. it knew that it had run into
24:18
Speaker 2: Bert Jerome. All right? Now, that's my experience. Now, have
24:24
Speaker 2: you been swimming lately?
24:25
Speaker 5: Excuse me?
24:27
Speaker 2: Do you go swimming?
24:28
Speaker 6: Quite a bit. All right. Most people from Miami swim.
24:31
Speaker 2: All right. Have you ever... Look, I had my way
24:35
Speaker 2: with that shark. Now, why is that hard for you
24:37
Speaker 2: to understand?
24:38
Speaker 1: What do you mean you had your way with it?
24:40
Speaker 1: A 7-foot, 200-pound animal? A 200-pound man? Think about a 7-foot-long, 7-foot-tall,
24:47
Speaker 1: 200-pound man.
24:49
Speaker 2: Yeah.
24:50
Speaker 1: Well, that's a big dude.
24:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a skinny dude. 7 feet tall, and he's
24:56
Speaker 2: only 200 pounds. A 7-foot-tall man is 200 pounds skinny.
25:00
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, man. That's Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, at least. That's like,
25:03
Speaker 1: I don't know who.
25:05
Speaker 2: Well, David... I'm saying you and I together as weightlifters,
25:09
Speaker 2: as guys that are ripped. Were you ever in Mr.
25:11
Speaker 5: World?
25:13
Speaker 2: Listen. Okay. I was in Mr.
25:15
Speaker 8: World two years.
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Speaker 2: You and I are sitting together. All right. You and
25:19
Speaker 2: I are sitting together on the beach.
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Speaker 6: What I do know about myself is that if somebody's
25:24
Speaker 6: in need of help and I can help them, I
25:26
Speaker 6: know I'll help them regardless of whether somebody else called
25:29
Speaker 6: me a bonehead or a musclehead.
25:32
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to get up off of a
25:34
Speaker 2: beach blanket where I'm laying next to a young lady
25:37
Speaker 2: who is all of that and more, and I'm going
25:40
Speaker 2: to get up and run into the water and help
25:41
Speaker 2: some tourist who a half hour before was saying, look
25:45
Speaker 2: at that meathead on Muscle Beach.
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Speaker 8: What?
25:49
Speaker 4: This is ridiculous.
25:50
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I'll let him die. So help
25:54
Speaker 2: me God, I'll let him scream and die. All right.
25:56
Speaker 1: Thanks very much for your call. All right, let me
26:00
Speaker 1: go to one more call. I just want to be
26:01
Speaker 1: clear that.
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying, Phil, is I understand tourists. We want
26:05
Speaker 2: them down here. Just tip your cap to me when
26:09
Speaker 2: I walk by. When you see someone walk by you
26:11
Speaker 2: who's ripped, who is oiled and built, a little tip
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Speaker 2: of the cap. Say, hey, how are you? Good to
26:18
Speaker 2: see you. Because you know that maybe in a half
26:21
Speaker 2: hour that guy's going to be dragging you out of
26:22
Speaker 2: the water around, you know, by the throat.
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Speaker 1: All right, here is Don. Don, go ahead.
26:28
Speaker 8: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
26:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Okay, yes. This is Don Taylor in Naples. I've actually
26:35
Speaker 8: survived a shark attack. He grabbed me by the left arm.
26:39
Speaker 8: It was a little four-foot black tip, but I actually
26:42
Speaker 8: know the pain that they can inflict on you.
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Speaker 2: Were you able to knock some sense into it?
26:50
Speaker 3: What?
26:51
Speaker 2: Were you able to knock some sense into it, sir?
26:54
Speaker 8: No, actually, as he tried to grab me one more time,
26:56
Speaker 8: I was able to get back up inside my boat
26:59
Speaker 8: and get to the shoreline.
27:01
Speaker 2: Right, but if you were in physical shape, you could
27:04
Speaker 2: have probably knocked some sense into it.
27:06
Speaker 8: Well, I was waist deep in the water working on
27:09
Speaker 8: the trim on the back of my boat.
27:10
Speaker 9: I don't want to make a long.
27:11
Speaker 8: Story too long, but I was able to get in
27:15
Speaker 8: my boat, pack it with sand, and get to the
27:16
Speaker 8: hospital and get stitched in.
27:18
Speaker 2: What did you pack with sand?
27:19
Speaker 8: I was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
27:21
Speaker 8: But every person... that sees another person in trouble, I
27:25
Speaker 8: wouldn't care if it was a dog out there getting
27:27
Speaker 8: shark bit, because like I said, I know the pain.
27:30
Speaker 8: I would try to help it, but I would not try.
27:32
Speaker 8: Every person has their fear limit.
27:34
Speaker 2: Did you say you packed a shark in sand?
27:43
Speaker 8: You know, I think your fear limit has dropped so
27:45
Speaker 8: much that you wouldn't want to help another human being,
27:48
Speaker 8: but you should not be bragging on stuff like that.
27:51
Speaker 2: No, sir, I don't mind helping another human being. I'm
27:52
Speaker 2: just saying, you said you packed the shark with sand.
27:55
Speaker 8: Well, you said it over the air.
27:56
Speaker 2: So that's like you stuffed the shark.
27:57
Speaker 8: Because another guy called you ripped and all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, some guy called me. The guy called me musclehead.
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Speaker 8: You're either going to help him or you're not.
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Speaker 1: I agree with Don.
28:07
Speaker 8: You're hiding behind something.
28:09
Speaker 1: You said that you.
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Speaker 8: Must have a musclehead.
28:11
Speaker 2: He called me musclehead. He called me musclehead. And that
28:15
Speaker 2: I've got to throw the flag on.
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Speaker 8: What does that have to do with the guy out
28:17
Speaker 8: there getting bit?
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Speaker 2: Because as he's getting bit and eaten, I'm scared to
28:20
Speaker 2: go out there and help him. That's what it all
28:22
Speaker 2: boils down to. Hey, hey, hey, hey, let me tell
28:23
Speaker 2: you something.
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Speaker 9: You're scared.
28:25
Speaker 2: I kicked hell out of a bull shark. More than
28:27
Speaker 2: any man can say.
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Speaker 8: You were scared to go.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, Don. Hold on.
28:32
Speaker 2: 1-800-449-8686.
28:32
Speaker 1: We're talking shark attack with Bert Jerome of the South
28:35
Speaker 1: Florida Chamber of Commerce on the Phil Henry Show.
28:37
Speaker 2: I love it, Phil. I do a lot of Pilates,
28:40
Speaker 2: and I do an awful lot of spinning.
28:42
Speaker 1: And, uh, excuse me.
28:43
Speaker 2: And, uh... So when I get into shape and I
28:46
Speaker 2: go down to the beach as a member of the
28:48
Speaker 2: Chamber of Commerce, I say, welcome to South Florida. And
28:51
Speaker 2: it's my way of opening the season. And I identify
28:54
Speaker 2: myself as a member of the Chamber of Commerce. A
28:56
Speaker 2: lot of times you get people looking at you funny
28:58
Speaker 2: because you oil up. Because I do, because of my
29:01
Speaker 2: bodybuilding competitions. And I make a mental note of that person.
29:06
Speaker 2: I say, if they get hit today, if today's the
29:10
Speaker 2: day they get it, if there's a bullhead out there,
29:14
Speaker 2: if there's a tiger, if there's a mallet head, and
29:17
Speaker 2: today's their day, what am I going to do? Am
29:20
Speaker 2: I going to get into the water and help them
29:22
Speaker 2: and pull that animal off them? Or is it, you know,
29:26
Speaker 2: is it open season? It's tough.
29:28
Speaker 1: All right, now I want to go to Kasaya. Kasaya? Kasaya?
29:34
Speaker 1: Are you there, hon? I was talking to this, like,
29:36
Speaker 1: Indian chick. I thought she was really interesting. I guess
29:37
Speaker 1: she's gone. Here's Jamie. Jamie, you're on the film.
29:40
Speaker 2: Show.
29:40
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
29:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wanted to make a comment about Jerome.
29:44
Speaker 3: It seems like, you know, I keep hearing him talk
29:47
Speaker 3: about how he's in such great physical shape.
29:49
Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
29:50
Speaker 3: It's a shame that you don't work on your moral
29:52
Speaker 3: character a little more, Jerome.
29:53
Speaker 2: My name is Bert, but my last name is Jerome.
29:57
Speaker 3: You're not willing to help somebody out because you're afraid
30:00
Speaker 3: that they might think of you as a meathead?
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Speaker 2: Sir, do you want to be called musclehead your whole
30:06
Speaker 2: life and not be respected for your intellectual abilities? No.
30:11
Speaker 3: You're not showing a lot of intellectual ability in the
30:14
Speaker 3: way you're talking on the show.
30:15
Speaker 2: Well, what am I saying that is not.
30:18
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with the gentleman because you're saying you're
30:20
Speaker 1: going to let a man die because.
30:22
Speaker 2: I'm not going to let a man die. I'm simply saying.
30:24
Speaker 3: Because we look at you funny because you've got muscles?
30:27
Speaker 3: Somebody walks by and gives you a funny look on
30:29
Speaker 3: the beach, and you make a mental note that if
30:32
Speaker 3: they get hit, you're going to stand by? That's ridiculous.
30:36
Speaker 2: No, sir.
30:36
Speaker 4: Somebody gives you a funny.
30:38
Speaker 3: Look, and you condemn them to death.
30:41
Speaker 2: No, sir, but I'll tell you this. Those of us
30:43
Speaker 2: who lift weights and those of us who are in Mr.
30:45
Speaker 2: World and who do use a certain amount of oil
30:49
Speaker 2: on our skin are looked upon as if we are
30:52
Speaker 2: gay or homosexual. And I'm going to save the life
30:55
Speaker 2: of a man who thinks that I am a bone smoker? No, sir.
30:59
Speaker 2: I am going to.
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Speaker 3: You know, everybody's life is valuable, regardless of what they
31:04
Speaker 3: think about you.
31:05
Speaker 2: Everyone's life is.
31:09
Speaker 3: Because of the way they looked at you.
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Speaker 2: I really hope.
31:12
Speaker 3: Somebody from the Chamber of Commerce is listening.
31:14
Speaker 4: I really hope they.
31:16
Speaker 3: Reevaluate your character as somebody who represents the state of Florida.
31:20
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? Somebody has just called you.
31:25
Speaker 2: Jamie the pole smoker, and now he's getting hit by
31:27
Speaker 2: a 10-foot bull. You going to go out and help him?
31:29
Speaker 3: That's not what you said. You didn't say that somebody
31:31
Speaker 3: called you a pole smoker. You said that somebody gave
31:34
Speaker 3: you a funny look because you were oiled up and buff.
31:37
Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. That's what you said.
31:40
Speaker 4: You're going to let somebody die for that.
31:42
Speaker 2: Phil, you are misconstruing.
31:43
Speaker 1: No, this gentleman heard exactly what I heard. Jamie, thank you.
31:46
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. It's the world-famous Phil Hendry Show.
31:49
Speaker 1: Talking with Bert Jerome, we'll get into another call in
31:52
Speaker 1: a moment. The guy that was in the water talking
31:54
Speaker 1: to you, the guy was hit with a shark, talked
31:58
Speaker 1: to you before that?
31:59
Speaker 2: He did, and he used a disparaging comment, Phil. And
32:02
Speaker 2: I'm not saying a man deserves to die because he
32:05
Speaker 2: calls me a bull sitter or something like that. I'm
32:09
Speaker 2: simply saying that the man needs to show a little bit,
32:12
Speaker 2: all people, I think, need to show a little bit
32:13
Speaker 2: more respect to those of us who work out and
32:16
Speaker 2: do a fair amount of lifting because we could be
32:18
Speaker 2: that individual that pulls you out of the water away
32:23
Speaker 2: from a shark attack. Maybe you're missing a leg, maybe
32:25
Speaker 2: you're missing something below the knee, but at least you're alive.
32:29
Speaker 2: And I think that that's all I'm saying.
32:32
Speaker 1: Well, you're making the statement that people that are in
32:33
Speaker 1: physically fit, good shape, can fight off a bull shark attack.
32:38
Speaker 2: I'm a living testament to that, Phil.
32:40
Speaker 1: All right, how many guys named Tom have we got?
32:43
Speaker 1: We've got a line two, Tom. Tom, you're on the
32:45
Speaker 1: Phil Henry Show. Hello?
32:46
Speaker 2: Hey. Hi.
32:47
Speaker 9: I'm Lieutenant Tom Brown. I'm a police officer.
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 9: And I'm physically fit, too. I played semi-pro football. I'm
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Speaker 9: in the police Olympics all the time, and I'm buffed up, too.
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Speaker 4: But you know what?
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Speaker 9: That don't make me better than anybody else. And as
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Speaker 9: a police officer.
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Speaker 2: Well, it makes you stronger, physically stronger than a lot
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Speaker 2: of people.
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Speaker 9: Well, you know what? Being physically stronger doesn't help your
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Speaker 9: intellect at all. You know, as a buffed-up guy, it
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Speaker 9: really bothers me that you're sitting here talking about how
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Speaker 9: great you are. And I heard at least ten times
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Speaker 9: how you've been in the Mr. World contest.
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Speaker 2: Did you win? You know, I came in a very
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Speaker 2: distant third. in the eastern regionals.
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Speaker 9: In other words, you were the second loser.
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Speaker 2: Well, wait a second. How many guys make it into
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Speaker 2: that competition to begin with?
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Speaker 9: How many guys make it into the police Olympics? You
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Speaker 9: ever been in the police Olympics?
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Speaker 4: You must not be anything.
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Speaker 2: I've never even heard of the police Olympics. You know what?
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Speaker 2: You know, Tom, I got into the water with a
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Speaker 2: bull shark.
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Speaker 9: You know what, I've been in the water with an alligator, too,
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Speaker 9: but that don't make me anything special.
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Speaker 2: You know what, if that.
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Speaker 9: Bull shark had wanted to kill you, your ass would
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Speaker 9: be dead right now, and I don't care how buffed
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Speaker 9: up you are.
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