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When Did Joe Get Smart? | MAFIA II | Part 4 · Replay Reviews

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In this episode, we go undercover as Mario and
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Luigi. We experience perhaps the worst time for
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tequila to play on the radio. And my feet are
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getting cold. Thank you for coming back from
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our replay reviews. My name is Leah. And my name
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is Kathy. We are two friends who are here to
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replay, review, and analyze your favorite video
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games. And since Kathy has never seen the games
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before, it helps me view them through her fresh
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eyes. almost like I'm discovering them again
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for the first time. We hope it will be a similar
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experience for you. Scene 1. To summarize it,
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Vito and Joe are tasked with an act of mafia
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warfare, but when things don't go exactly as
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planned, the collateral damage leaves Joe emotional.
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So we're on Chapter 10, Room Service. Villa Scaletta,
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June 15th, 1951. It's been about a month since
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they joined the family. Vito's in his new home,
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so things are going well. And he's woken up by
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a phone call from Eddie. He can't tell Vito what's
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going on over the phone, but tells him to get
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over to Joe's. Vito arrives to see two men outside
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Joe's door. One is Marty, who we met. And while
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chatting with him, Vito is called in by Joe.
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They're waiting for you. They is Falcone, Eddie,
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and Joe. Falcone is happy with Vito for handling
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Luca. and giving them proof that Clemente attacked
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them. He says that this means war, and they're
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planning to get rid of him and his top guys at
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a meeting that they're holding at the Empire
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Arms Hotel. What Joe does is bring a freaking
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bomb and slam it onto the table. Who does that?
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Nobody's sane. His bright idea is to plant this
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bomb in the meeting room. Turns out Marty is
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their getaway driver. Vito's not too happy about
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it. Marty is not allowed in the room to partake
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in this conversation about strategy, yet immediately
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Joe's like, yeah, he's not part of the family,
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but we still need him to do the family's work.
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And I just, that doesn't sit well with me. And
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then there's a whole other side of the conversation
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about, hey, he might be too young to be doing
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this stuff. And Joe's like, no, he's not. How
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young were you when you did this? Wasn't Joe
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the one who brought Vito into doing all these
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crimes and now Joe's doing the same thing to
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Marty? It's the same and it's different because
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I think they met in school, Joe and Vito, so
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he's not that much older than Vito. If he is
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older, I think he looks older, but apparently
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he's not. So I think that's a little different.
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That's like two young people doing stupid things
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together, but this is like an older person who
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knows the life, bringing a younger person into
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it. I don't understand their dynamics. But at
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the hotel, they get into disguise, which includes
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cleaning uniforms and fake mustaches. They leave
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Marty in the car and then clean their way up
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to the 18th floor. While doing so, they see Henry
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walk by and say, I hope you don't come back before
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we do our thing. Reactions? We haven't seen Henry
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in a hot minute. Yeah. I'm curious what his relationship
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is with... all three of them at this point you
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know he's kind of two -timing both families yet
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they're okay with not ratting him out or going
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to him for help when they know he could have
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been an in i'm confused with that relationship
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yes and it seems like there's a lot of crossover
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between the families in this city that's something
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we keep seeing well hopefully he doesn't come
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back before the bomb goes off and speaking of
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They plant it under the conference room table
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and then make their way to the roof. Joe complains
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after two sets of stares. Joe. Vito keeps saying
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that, oh, Joe, like, when are you this smart?
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And it's just a 180 change. I mean, it's not
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like he was dumb before, but all of a sudden
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he's smart and Vito's praising him. It seems
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like he just wasn't thinking before. And now
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he's thinking. So I don't necessarily know if
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Vito's saying smart is the correct phrase, but
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he's at least using the brain he has. When they're
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at the top of the stairs trying to enter the
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roof, there's two guys, and Vito wants to just
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shoot them. Since when was he the hothead? And
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then Joe kind of pushes his hand away, and he
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even... at one point said that oh there's Clemente
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let's just shoot him and it'll be done let's
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not do the whole bomb idea but yeah Joe's like
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no no you're gonna get shot and we're both gonna
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die why are they all of a sudden so out of character
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between the two of them it seems like they switched
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it almost makes me think that Joe needs this
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to go really well for some reason that we don't
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know about because they're already in the family
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so I don't know what he'd be benefiting from
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this other than money I do get A sense that Joe
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feels threatened by Vito. I don't know what exactly
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it is, and there's not enough evidence of it,
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but just the way Joe is coming off right now,
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I feel like he's threatened or he wants to demonstrate
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that he's just as good as Vito. They get in a
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shootout on the roof, and after that, they take
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the window washing platform down, I guess to
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plant a detonator? Vito is a bit nervous about
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being too close to the bomb, but Joe assures
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him. They'll be fine. He says, use the squeegee
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to stay in character. Which is a line I don't
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think I've ever heard before. Oh, Kathy. What
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happens next? Yeah. I don't even know how to
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describe it. Can we make sure we have that scene
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included in this? Because we need to see how
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stupid everything just looks and is. And, I don't
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know, they're just ragdolling around on a platform
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in midair. I don't know what happened. Did he
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press the detonator too quick? I don't know.
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They weren't far enough away. Then they lower
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back down to see the aftermath and Clemente stumbles
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out of the bathroom. Lucky guy. So Vito and Joe
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give chase. I feel like a bomb is the worst way
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to guarantee someone's dead because you don't
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know where that guy is relative to the bomb when
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it goes off. Poison. Yeah. Poison or like rooftop
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a sniper. There's so many other options. All
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right, so they do manage to shoot their way back
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to Marty, but he's dead. And then they continue
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to chase Clemente by car, and it's a miracle
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I pulled off this driving section. So long for
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Marty. Yeah. I wasn't expecting him to die so
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soon, but I do like seeing Joe in distress. Yeah.
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He is in the mafia. I think he knows what he's
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getting himself into. And he, again, looked too
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happy shooting people. So it's not like he was
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innocent. He probably didn't deserve to die this
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way. He had a lot of life ahead of him. So I'm
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feeling pretty somewhere between mother neutral
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and under that into mother territory. I struggle
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with this one too because I don't care. I don't
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care about Marty. So, like, I don't know. We
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don't get much about him. I feel like he's just
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stupid, you know? And he was way too into, like,
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shooting everything and shooting people, shooting
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up the bar. So, yeah, I feel like he's got to
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be a slight mother. I do want to talk about Vito's
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reaction when he sees Marty dead. I'm starting
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to wonder if Vito just doesn't have. emotions
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for people who die or he just has seen so much
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in war that seeing Marty dead isn't affecting
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him because he did seem like he liked the kid
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because he was just trying to say like Joe lighten
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up on him don't bring him and then now he sees
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the kid dead he knows the consequences but he
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doesn't really care like he leaves the body there
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to sum up the rest of the scene they do catch
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up to Clemente and finish him off before heading
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back to Joe's Joe calls Eddie. He's upset about
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Marty, but Eddie says it's a small price to pay,
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which angers Joe, but Eddie responds, it was
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your idea to bring him along, basically. Vito
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seems to be taking Eddie's side, and honestly,
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I am too. What did Joe expect? And that's why
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I like seeing some of the guilt and remorse he
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had. I kind of wish we got more emotions from
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Vito, though. We haven't really seen Joe express
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much remorse, even though he got Vito set to
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war. But now he's all broken up about this. And
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yeah, Vito's kind of like, it's matter of fact,
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you knew this could happen. Which is interesting
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because a lot of choices that Vito's made have
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been like, why are you surprised? But he still
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does them. But Joe's not happy and says, you
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should go home. So they're kind of fighting a
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little bit, which honestly, finally, about time.
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I like when there's more emotions from both these
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guys. Moving on to scene two. So Vito has to
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deal with an unstable Joe and his mistakes. He's
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awoken by another phone call, this time from
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some guy named Leon, the bartender at the Lone
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Star. He says Joe is drunk and out of control
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at the bar. He's even waving his gun around.
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Joe is a terrible friend, Kathy. Yeah, I agree.
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Vito gets there. He tries to control Joe. But
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his gun goes off and he accidentally shoots and
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kills Leon, which prompts Vito to say, what the
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f*** is wrong with you? Valid question. I'm glad
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that Vito's getting irritated with Joe, but he
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should have left him there to deal with his own
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mess, in my opinion. There's that. The other
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part of me also wished that Vito took the gun
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away from Joe, which would have saved them all.
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This is like being proactive and that could have
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saved you time and so I wouldn't have died. I
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do find it weird that Vito is mad at Joe for
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shooting someone versus Vito is upset that an
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innocent man is dead. So he should have had Joe
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just deal with his own stuff, but instead, Vito
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single -handedly drags Leon's body into the trunk
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of his car, then drops Joe off at home, says
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to call him tomorrow, and then takes off to deal
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with Leon's body. All by himself. surprised that
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no one's after him or down the road there's no
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consequences again that's my issues there really
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is no consequences in this game how is he not
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in trouble they didn't clean up the crime scene
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at all i'm sure there's blood there i hate that
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they keep getting away with stuff though i mean
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i know veto's been in jail but when is it gonna
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be jill's turn that's what i want to know that's
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what veto should be asking what bugs me is he's
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in jail For the smallest crime he's done out
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of this entire game. He's killed people and he's
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buried people. Yeah, he goes to jail for what?
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Stamps. Should we move into chapter three? Move
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on to chapter three? Gosh. Scene three, chapter
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11. Yes. I have not eaten in a while. Okay. So,
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to summarize scene three, Vito's friendships
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start to cause issues, and as the war draws lines,
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Vito steps over them, putting friendships before
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the family. Chapter 11, A Friend of Ours. We're
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back at Villa Scoletta, July 27th, 1951. So,
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another month or so has passed, and Henry shows
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up at Vito's house and says he wants to get a
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drink. On the way, he tells Vito he knows Falcone
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had something to do with Clemente's death. and
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asks him to put in a good word for him with Falcone,
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because he wants to work with them due to being
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worried about his own safety, being in the Clemente
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family. Said that the worst possible way I could
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have, but I think I pulled it out. No, it makes
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sense. The good thing is that Vito agrees to
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vouch for him, because had he not, it was later
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revealed that Henry saw both Vito and Joe go
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in. Right. Those mustaches did not fool Henry.
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They could have at least worn a wig or something.
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Yeah. So they're talking about the life and Henry's
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like, this is what I am. I don't know what else
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I would do. And Vito says, I guess it pays a
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hell of a lot better than being a fucking taxi
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driver. Is he referring to himself as the taxi
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driver? I think he's referring to Tommy. Oh.
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I think it's an Easter egg. I totally missed
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this. I was waiting for it to click, but it didn't
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look like it was going to now. So they get to
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Falcone's bar where Vito gets paid and then introduces
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Henry to Eddie. During the conversation, a plan
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forms. Eddie says that Leo needs to be taken
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out as Frank Vinci will crumble without him.
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He says, I'm thinking this could be the perfect
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opportunity for Henry here to prove himself.
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Yeah, and I'm glad. Vito was saying that, I know
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this is for the family, but I can't do that.
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And Eddie seemed cool with it, respecting his
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boundaries. He's actually going in and he's going
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to try to warn Leo. But during this entire interaction
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of trying to save Leo, this is crazy how this
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is the first time we're seeing someone that Vito
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cares about. We've never seen him have this emotion.
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Yeah, he hugged his sister in the beginning.
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And he was kind of sad that his mom died, but
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he never showed any emotions of needing to rescue
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them. Versus Leo. I just don't understand what
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earns loyalty with him. But yeah, he does burst
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into Leo's house. I guess it was unlocked. And
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frantically tries to warn him. But Leo just says,
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come on up for a drink. My feet are getting cold.
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Through their conversation, Vito's trying to
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warn him and says that Clemente lied and said
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Falcone was in the dope business. But Leo says
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he was in the dope business, and Falcone got
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rid of Clemente when he tried to muscle into
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his business. So he killed him. And now he wants
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the rest of us dead, he says. Just kill everyone.
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Problem solved. Then Leo says, why don't we just
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get rid of whoever Carlos sent to whack me? And
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this is when he learns that Vito's friend is
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the one who's supposed to kill him. I love his
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line, though. You hired your friend to whack
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me? I think it's... Kind of funny that Vito and
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Henry are very similar in the way that Henry's
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okay with helping out two different families
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and switching around. And Vito is now in the
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same boat where he's helping out his family and
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getting Henry in it, yet immediately he's also
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trying to help Leo out. So he's like a two -timer
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too. Yeah. And even Leo kind of is. Because he
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helped him, even though he was part of whatever
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group he was initially. Again, lots of intersecting
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threads, lots of stepping over lines going on.
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Okay, so they need to escape without Henry seeing
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them. But that doesn't happen. I get caught pretty
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easily. I did not hear Leo say, go to the laundry
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room to get some sheets. Didn't at all. And I
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was going to go back and replay it, and I don't
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know what that would look like, but I'm honestly
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kind of happy with how it turned out. They have
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a chat in the kitchen, all three of them. Vito
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explains his side that he can't let Leo die,
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but Henry says he can't screw this up or Falcone
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will think he did it on purpose and have him
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killed. Leo's like, go ahead, kill me. I lived
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a great life. So he's totally cool just getting
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shot and killed just to protect Vito. he's gained
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some respect from me which i was not expecting
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it i do appreciate like that that's pretty that's
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pretty cool yeah and then fast forward a bit
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you hear gunshot you think that oh henry actually
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killed leo and then henry comes out and says
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hey you owe me one and then turns out he didn't
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kill leo i can't believe i'm saying this but
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i feel like i he's gained a little bit of respect
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from me who would have thought henry had it in
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him to to be like that and it kind of makes you
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wonder why i mean i think leo is good at making
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deals which is what happened he made a deal to
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disappear or has veto just really wormed his
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way into henry's heart that much i don't think
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so i don't think so either i don't know what
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it is because henry was set on killing leo and
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just disappearing is not enough so maybe henry
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wants Vito to owe him something and so he can
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cash in on that in the future. But I do feel
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like Henry is cool with Vito. They have this
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special understanding. It's a pretty big risk
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to take for him. Vito and Leo head out to the
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train station. Does not take time to change.
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He says, I'd rather be alive in my pajamas than
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dead in a three -piece suit. Agreed. Can't disagree.
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And then, yeah, he drops him off at the train
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station and heads home. You drop him off? By
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being on top of, what do you call those? The
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barricade things? Curb. The curb. Yeah. I don't
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know. The medians. That's what it's called. Yeah.
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So I think what happened is I got close enough
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to the end point. And so I just stopped to do
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the cut scene of them talking. But I was like,
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surely this can't be it. So you can see me moving
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the camera around. But the tires aren't even
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spinning. So the car is just not supposed to
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be moving at that point in time. That was not
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my intended parking space, is what I'm trying
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to say. Scene four? Yep. Vito arrives home to
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find Francesca on his porch. She's upset because
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her husband, Eric, drinks and parties, and she's
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certain he has a girlfriend. Vito is able to
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get her to confess that he sometimes hits her,
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but she still begs him not to hurt Eric. I do
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have a lot of thoughts, and I don't want to get
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into it with the whole conversation about domestic
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abuse, domestic violence, but I'm irritated how
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Frankie is still protective of her husband despite
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getting beat by him. And I kind of respect Vito
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a little bit more now that he's asking the right
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questions as, oh, he hurts my sister, so now
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I'm going to hurt her husband. He does find him
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and beat him up. Give him a stern threat. That
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was so satisfying. I kind of wish he killed him
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though. Not to mention this place in general.
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Just a drunk guy falling out of the door. Someone
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vomiting. Things are happening here. And it makes
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me so glad that I'm a boring person. Because
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that just looks disgusting to me. So Vito heads
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home to find his phone ringing. It's Francesca.
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And she's a bit irritated that he hurt Eric.
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But gets more upset when Vito threatens to kill
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him. If he hurts her again. She says, I don't
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know you anymore. You stay away from us. Is she
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scared of him? Is that where this is coming from?
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No, I think it's... Well, it's so hard to justify
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because she's fine with her husband hitting someone,
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which is her, but she's not okay with her brother
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hitting someone. So isn't that a bit of a hypocrite?
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Yeah, and we don't know. Maybe she thought that
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hitting him would then make him hit her. I don't
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know. I don't know how your brain works in that
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kind of situation, but it hit me as odd at first
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where I was like, really, Frankie? Like, why?
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Why are you mad at him? But I think it's just
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showing her what kind of person he is and what,
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like, what he gets up to because he did it so,
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like, without hesitation. Vito goes to sleep
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and an Irish gang sets his house on fire. We
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just slept right into that. You have the same
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question, but how did they not see him? Yeah.
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Unceremoniously flop out of the window like that.
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He was like, what, six feet away? Ran right past
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him. But how did the Irish know where to find
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him? I don't know. Public records, maybe? That
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sounded really snarky, but I'm like, could you
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just look it up maybe in the phone book? Yeah,
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I don't know. Vito sprints like three blocks
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barefoot in his undies and then steals a car
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as he's running for his life. Gets into this
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car. And what is playing on the radio? I'm like,
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there's no way. I laughed so hard when I was
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recording the gameplay. It just catches you off
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guard. It's such a tone shift. Okay, why go to
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Joe's, though? He should be going to Henry after
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what he just did for him. It's his go -to person,
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and I'm surprised Joe is awake enough and not
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so in a slump from Marty. I don't know. One day,
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going to Joe's is what's going to get him killed.
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Vito wants to go get the men who tried to kill
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him. Joe makes a call and finds out where to
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go. On the way there, he says that the new Irish
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boss Mickey Desmond is Brian O 'Neill's cousin.
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So they get to the bar and kill most of them
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before chasing down the last few and ending them
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as well. Also, so we're in a car chase. Naturally,
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I run a red light, right? And Joe complains about
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me running the red light. Versus murder? Murder?
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Okay. Running red lights? Not okay. And how many
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times have I ran a red light with him in the
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car and now he complains? Maybe he's still a
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little salty. There is another scene in this
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whole, these last few minutes, where you're in
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a car. As soon as you get out of the car, a police
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car slams right into you. I know, and I just
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ignore it and keep going to the destination.
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And you're able to go into the bar without getting
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arrested. I was amazed that that happened. I
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thought for sure I'd have to start over. Joe
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tells Vito that he can stay at Marty's apartment.
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Yeah, that's it. Then Joe glitches over a barricade.
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And that's the end of that chapter. We'll leave
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it at that. Alright, should we close this out?
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Scene 5, Chapter 12. It is titled Sea Gift. Marty's
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apartment, September 22, 1951. Henry calls Vito
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and asks him to meet him at a park. I'm setting
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up something big, he says. Joe's already there
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when Vito arrives. And Henry says he's done some
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research to discover that Falcone had Clemente
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killed because he was stealing dope customers.
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He says Falcone just needs to get rid of Frank
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Vinci, the last guy in his way to becoming the
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main supplier in the city. So a couple of blank
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filled in there. Kind of understanding why the
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war has gotten so heated. Everyone's stealing
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everyone's customers. Except for that one dude
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who says no drugs. He'd probably... Well, I don't
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know. Don't they all say no drugs, though? Yeah.
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Even in the first game, no drugs, but what if
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we end up doing drugs? They might as well just
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allow it into the system at this point, you know?
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Henry seems to have found out how lucrative the
23:59
dope game is and spouts off some math about heroin.
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Basically, he wants to start selling under Falcone's
24:05
nose. They'll just cut him in if he finds out.
24:08
He says he found a way to be the middleman for
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a Chinese drug runner. But they need to get money
24:14
from a loan shark to buy the drugs. Vito is pretty
24:17
hesitant about selling drugs. He really doesn't
24:20
want to do it. But he folds. We'll later see
24:23
how happy he is selling it. So come on, Vito.
24:27
I get that he's now the swanky guy who would
24:30
rather stay in a hotel than Marty's apartment.
24:32
He's mad that his house got burned down and wants
24:34
his cash back. But I feel like that's not good
24:37
enough reason to all of a sudden switch to selling
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drugs. Yeah, I was like, did you for a split
24:44
second forget that year everything got burnt
24:47
up in the fire? And you're like, oh yeah, I need
24:49
money now. Or, like, what was it? Because it
24:52
was a pretty fast flip. Henry gets taken for
24:57
a ride in negotiations with the loan shark Bruno,
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but he eventually agrees to loan Henry the money.
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He says, even if you get rid of me, it doesn't
25:05
get rid of your debt. It's a pretty rock -solid
25:07
business model he's created for himself here.
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Well, I feel like... The Chinese people know
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how to do math. I say that because I'm Chinese.
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I don't know how to respond to that. There is
25:20
no response unless you want to be called a racist.
25:23
Not to mention Joe in the park using a racial
25:26
slur. And then Vito's like, oh, you mean the
25:30
Chinese people? And he's like, yeah, that's what
25:32
I said. And then says the slur again. I'm like,
25:34
you're so stupid. Like he's going out of his
25:37
way to use the slur. And so I'm so confused because
25:40
in the first half of this episode, he was like
25:43
smart and cool cum collected. And then it just
25:47
all of a sudden he flips back to this. I'm like,
25:49
what is wrong with this character? He's a damn
25:51
idiot again. With the money in hand, they go
25:55
see Mr. Wong and purchase the drugs. But on the
25:57
way out, they're jumped by the cops, except they
26:00
turn out to not be cops. And a shootout begins.
26:03
Henry says someone else must have known about
26:05
the deal. Then starts an extremely loud montage
26:09
of them selling drugs to dealers. Yes, I forgot
26:13
how loud that was. I will adjust the audio before
26:15
I post it. Do not fear, people. It won't be perfect,
26:18
but it will be better than the original. That
26:21
whole montage is driving me nuts. So we get one
26:26
before as soon as they join the mafia and there's
26:30
this whole two boys frolicking through the city
26:33
and beating people up. And now we get three boys.
26:36
selling drugs with an end scene that's super
26:39
corny where the three of them are just walking
26:42
down the streets in their suits and isn't this
26:45
all supposed to be taking place in one day because
26:48
joe's like veto it's 20 grand in one day and
26:50
they're like two of them are passed out in the
26:52
car like you're acting like this is a month here
26:56
i had like questions because i don't know if
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this is just one a one -time thing or if they
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have been doing for a full month because There's
27:06
too many cut scenes within this montage for it
27:09
to be just one afternoon. I know. Because I thought
27:11
it was just one afternoon. But yeah, that's like
27:13
way too much. Anything else from you? No. That's
27:21
it for me too. We'll finish out the gameplay
27:23
next week. And then we'll do the summary after
27:25
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