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Portals to Hell: Devil’s Gate, A Haunted Road & Creepy Real Estate · PNW Haunts & Homicides

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: So right under the Devil Rock is a rounded concrete
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: tunnel with metal gates on each side. And the tunnel
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: is about 100 feet long with graffiti covered walls. That
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  Speaker 1: is said to be the Devil's Gate. It's said to
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: be the portal to hell.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay. I know.
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  Speaker 1: And it looks creepy too. Like if you, there's pictures
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  Speaker 1: of it online. So it has like the two gates
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  Speaker 1: on either side, which I think makes it look even creepier.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. That's an intense piece of rock. Holy shit.
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: Hi, Taylin.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Cassie.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: Hi, creepy people. Hello. This is PNW Haunts and Homicides,
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  Speaker 1: where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. Or the PNW, if
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: you're nasty.
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: Getting nastier by the day.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, she is. I can see it on her. And
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: last time, I totally forgot to say we do a
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: tarot reading at the end of every episode for a
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: little deeper insight into our topic. So if last episode
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: was your first and you were surprised by the tarot,
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  Speaker 1: we do it in every episode. So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Can't say we didn't tell you. No.
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I have some more fun, very, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: very creepy, spooky Halloween season episodes I've been putting together. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: That is why Caitlyn is not here again, because I
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  Speaker 1: told you guys, she's just a chicken, and she didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. She actually fled the state to avoid this, specifically. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: There was a Caitlyn-shaped hole in all of the walls
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  Speaker 1: on her way. I can't wait to see what she
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  Speaker 1: says when she comes back, if she listens to these
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  Speaker 1: while she's gone.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah. She'll be like, accurate, valid. Yeah.
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I don't have any fun. I didn't run
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: into any fun Portland-y things like the flamethrower car. Did
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: you run into any weird things in your state over
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: there in Colorado? Are we saying where you're from?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 1: She's not technically technical PNW, but sometimes we count Colorado
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  Speaker 1: and you know what? We're throwing it in there.
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  Speaker 2: Very non-technically TNW. There are some areas, though, that are
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: very TNW. No stories from this week, but next week
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to Estes Park, which is actually one of
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  Speaker 2: the areas I find to be very Pacific Northwest. It's
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: a lot greener, lots of pine trees, and that's where
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  Speaker 2: the Stanley Hotel is as well.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, is that where the Estes Method comes from?
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  Speaker 2: It absolutely is, and... I'm going to try to get
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  Speaker 2: on one of the ghost tours this time around because
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  Speaker 2: we're staying in a little cabin over there. It's only
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  Speaker 2: 45 minutes from us, but I've never done the Stanley.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to try to do that. And I'll
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  Speaker 2: report back if we end up making that happen.
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  Speaker 1: Please do. I'm requesting an entire episode on that.
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  Speaker 2: I will be happy to do that. If we can
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  Speaker 2: just coordinate the schedule a little bit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I want it immediately like next week. No,
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  Speaker 1: that would be so cool. And if you could include
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  Speaker 1: how the Estes method came around, that would be fun,
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  Speaker 1: I think, for people to learn because I've I've heard
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  Speaker 1: of it, but I don't know if like the majority
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  Speaker 1: of people who aren't super into ghost hunting like no.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah. And I think it's something that pretty
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  Speaker 2: much anyone could be interested in. I have some friends
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  Speaker 2: that are not into ghost hunting, but I showed them
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: a few episodes of a different show talking about the
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: SS method and they were fascinated just because it's like,
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you watch videos of it happening and
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of hard to argue with. I know.
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  Speaker 1: I think so, too. I love it. It's like my
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  Speaker 1: favorite part of ghost investigations. And I'm like dying to
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  Speaker 1: get to do it one day.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Someday. I'd be so scared. I'm such
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  Speaker 2: a chicken when it comes to like actually doing the thing.
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  Speaker 2: But I would totally help facilitate it.
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  Speaker 1: Calm down. You can blindfold me.
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  Speaker 2: I just know something is going to come through and
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  Speaker 2: not leave me if I end up if I were
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  Speaker 2: to do it myself. Hopefully I'm too susceptible to things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It would be my luck where like nothing could
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  Speaker 1: enter my crab shell.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, or it's already there. Something leaves while you're doing this. Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine?
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  Speaker 1: That might be good for me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We should try this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're speaking of things entering you and leaving you
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  Speaker 1: and along those lines. It kind of goes with my
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  Speaker 1: episode today.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me more.
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  Speaker 1: Not like that, you guys. Come on. So people say
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  Speaker 1: there is a portal to hell in Pasadena, California.
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  Speaker 2: I love Pasadena. I'm really curious to know where this
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  Speaker 2: portal is. I've never heard of it before. I used
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  Speaker 2: to live down there, too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is fun. That's kind of funny. You'll see later.
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  Speaker 1: You'll see later. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Pasadena is right outside LA for those of you
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  Speaker 1: who didn't know, which I really didn't know until I
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  Speaker 1: like researched this. There is a dam named Devil's Gate.
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  Speaker 1: Devil's Gate Dam was built in 1920 on a rock
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  Speaker 1: formation resembling Satan.
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  Speaker 2: The one and only? I have heard of the dam.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm wondering why, do you know, you ever hear a
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  Speaker 2: word out of like deviled eggs? Deviled eggs? I don't
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  Speaker 2: think about the devil when I think about deviled eggs.
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  Speaker 2: You don't? I don't think I ever thought about the
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  Speaker 2: devil when thinking about devil dams.
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  Speaker 1: That is interesting because I definitely like picture like deviled
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  Speaker 1: eggs with like little horns on a tail, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which makes sense. I'm really wondering about myself right now. Why?
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  Speaker 2: To me, it's like one word. It's not deviled eggs.
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  Speaker 2: It's deviled eggs. Yeah. It's not deviled eggs. It's devil
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  Speaker 2: damn like i don't know they're just like as a
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  Speaker 2: my brain does something i guess when they're paired.
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  Speaker 1: I could see that my brain does shit like that
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  Speaker 1: all the time so i could totally see that or
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  Speaker 1: maybe the devil is just in you already and it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want you to see It is said that the
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  Speaker 1: first people here, the Tongva, warned of this place, I
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  Speaker 1: guess because of the devil rock. I don't know why,
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  Speaker 1: if there be any other reason, if they felt like
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  Speaker 1: it was some sort of, what am I trying to say,
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  Speaker 1: like a curse place or something like that. It didn't
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  Speaker 1: really specify, but... So right under the Devil Rock is
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: a rounded concrete tunnel with metal gates on each side.
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: And the tunnel is about 100 feet long with graffiti
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  Speaker 1: covered walls. That is said to be the Devil's Gate.
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  Speaker 1: It's said to be the portal to hell.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. Okay. I know.
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  Speaker 1: And it looks creepy, too. Like if you there's pictures
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  Speaker 1: of it online. So it has like the two gates
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  Speaker 1: on either side, which I think makes it look even creepier.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. That's an intense piece of rock. Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see the devil rock?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what? So when I grew up in
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  Speaker 2: Southern California, my extended family down there was either very
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  Speaker 2: Catholic or very Mormon. And I'm assuming maybe this is
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  Speaker 2: why this never entered my orbit as a place that
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  Speaker 2: we would visit or talk about. There might have been
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  Speaker 2: a little superstition there or... belief not even superstition like
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  Speaker 2: belief there I famously brought a tarot deck into my
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  Speaker 2: aunt's house once when I was like 10 years old
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  Speaker 2: and it it did not go well it those are
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  Speaker 2: of satan those are witchcraft those are evil I mean
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  Speaker 2: that's why I brought them I didn't really care for
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  Speaker 2: her I should stop talking now.
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  Speaker 1: Are we leaving this in? No, it's up to you.
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  Speaker 2: I'll leave that up to you.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's great.
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  Speaker 2: That's why this might not have been part of my orbit,
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  Speaker 2: even though I was into the spooky things. This is intense.
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  Speaker 2: This place looks like some shit is happening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. And it has a lot of lore
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  Speaker 1: as well. So we'll talk about some of that. This
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  Speaker 1: is a hiking area that a lot of people go to.
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  Speaker 1: So you can hike around it and you can get
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  Speaker 1: to the tunnel itself. It's not super easy to get to.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of off trail. And some people have posted
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  Speaker 1: like directions to it online if you're interested in going.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through the directions of how
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  Speaker 1: to get there. That's on you guys to research. There
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  Speaker 1: is a pretty ominous comment on Yelp and they say,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be a frequent hiker here because
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  Speaker 1: people that are have stumbled across Satanists doing rituals and sacrifices.
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  Speaker 2: I could see that. I could see that totally. Or
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  Speaker 2: like teenagers, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely. But there is also another reason for it, other
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  Speaker 1: than kind of the abandoned factor of it and, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Devil Rock and the name of the place.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The area has attracted occultists, specifically JPL co-founder Jack Parsons.
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  Speaker 1: which JPL is NASA's largest space robotics facility. If you
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  Speaker 1: guys didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: Shut up.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Their founder?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, their co-founder, Jack Parsons.
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  Speaker 2: Is it Nicole Parsons?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Okay, okay. No, it gets crazier. It gets crazier.
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  Speaker 1: And he teamed up with Scientologist founder L. Ron Hubbard.
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  Speaker 2: Stop.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I can't even get through the sentence
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  Speaker 1: because it's so crazy. It is said that here they
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  Speaker 1: performed ceremonies to summon the goddess Babylon... To help them
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  Speaker 1: conceive the Antichrist.
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  Speaker 2: Stop. Right?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I didn't know that was a thing in Scientology.
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  Speaker 1: Not that I know much about it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that was a thing in NASA. Right?
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  Speaker 1: That too. I'm like, wait. So like this huge person
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  Speaker 1: like in our history is summoning... The Antichrist?
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  Speaker 2: Did you rabbit hole these people at all? And if so,
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  Speaker 2: do you happen to know if the occultist part came
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  Speaker 2: before or after the NASA part?
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  Speaker 1: It came after.
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  Speaker 2: I know that. OK, so he like helped found NASA
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  Speaker 2: and then was like, actually.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't deep dive on it, but I know
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: like these things were happening after him being the co-founder.
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  Speaker 1: But I did not deep dive on either of these things.
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  Speaker 1: So I read like through a few articles that said
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  Speaker 1: the same thing, but I was like, I cannot. I can't.
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  Speaker 2: That's so shocking.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So if you want a deep dive on this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so curious. I'm always surprised when someone who
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  Speaker 2: you would think, surely they're so practical minded. Surely they're atheists,
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  Speaker 2: not even agnostic. But then again, like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I guess if you're like exploring space or help helping,
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  Speaker 2: you know, make that possible. That would kind of open
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  Speaker 2: your mind a bit to some magic and some wonder, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: I think so. I think it's like a great thing. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think all occultists are necessarily bad or anything.
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  Speaker 1: I know there is like a bad side of it
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  Speaker 1: and a bad path you can go down. And it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like they didn't maybe go down the best path.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's great to be open. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about summoning the Antichrist.
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  Speaker 2: And then like teaming up with L. Ron Hubbard is
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  Speaker 2: where kind of my where I'm like, there's some moral
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  Speaker 2: questioning there, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And everything, every little nugget I learn about Scientology, I
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  Speaker 1: just I can't piece it together. And I want to
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: look into it and I want to know more. But like,
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: it just it's crazy shit that doesn't make any sense
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  Speaker 1: to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And also, I'm scared. Totally.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 1: Of getting caught in it. Like, what if I start
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: to believe it, you know? Oh, I would.
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  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? It's amazing I haven't been snatched
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  Speaker 2: by a cult before. Like, I'm, again, very susceptible.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: I hope no cults are listening at this moment.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, please, no. I'm okay. I'm comfy where I'm at.
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  Speaker 1: We do have Caitlin, though, so she can maybe talk
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: us out of the cult. She can be our... So true.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: That's very comforting. She's like a pre-deprogrammer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so. Or wait, is she our
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  Speaker 1: cult leader?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, fuck. What have we done?
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  Speaker 2: Fuck, I did just get her name tattooed in my arm.
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  Speaker 1: You did too? We're just improv-ing now.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: You know who else said yes, and? Aleister Crowley. He
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: claimed to have opened one of the seven portals to
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  Speaker 1: hell here as well. So some famous occultist action happening
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  Speaker 1: at the Devil's Gate.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, I'm stunned. The woman was stunned.
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  Speaker 1: Also, I didn't deep dive on that either. So who
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  Speaker 1: knows if it's true. I might just be bullshitting all
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: of you guys today.
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  Speaker 2: This whole episode is improv.
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  Speaker 1: So this one's really sad. There is even rumors of
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  Speaker 1: missing children in the area being linked to the Devil's Gate.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't like.
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  Speaker 2: That at all.
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  Speaker 1: I like I know there's going to be missing children
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  Speaker 1: in the area. Obviously, there's missing children all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: But I really hope that they're not like linked to this.
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  Speaker 1: It just makes me feel icky about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It has long been said that manic laughter can be
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  Speaker 1: heard coming out of the tunnel.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Can people get in there or is
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: it like permanent? Okay. Okay.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get in there. So I was kind
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: of thinking like, is it just people in there partying?
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Or unwell. Yeah, that too.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Deeply unwell.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they're possessed.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe it's the devil himself.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Herself. No, I'm just kidding.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: No, you're right. You're right though. Yeah. Thanks for thanks
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  Speaker 1: for checking me. So this is kind of I thought
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  Speaker 1: was important. Some articles say that it's abandoned the dam,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: which it looks abandoned from all the pictures and stuff
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  Speaker 1: and all like the graffiti everywhere. But it's actually not.
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  Speaker 1: It is still an active flood control structure managed by
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  Speaker 1: the L.A. County Public Works.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Just so you guys know. And there are signs like
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: no trespassing signs on, I think, certain ways you can
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: get to the gates. So just be aware of that.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like a maintained state owned thing. Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But it says it's for flood control. So there's going
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: to be some water somewhere at some point.
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  Speaker 2: You know, lots of that in California. Right.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: If they if there's like super duper heavy torrential downpours
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: in Pasadena one day, you know, maybe be careful, which
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  Speaker 1: is maybe why it does seem abandoned to probably because
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: they don't have use for.
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  Speaker 2: It a ton. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at it and it is a big dam. I've never
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: seen the, this has never come up for me. So,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: and I didn't live in Southern California past my like
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: early teen years. So some stuff is so big, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at pictures of the water part of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty massive. I'd only ever seen the like concrete,
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  Speaker 2: like dam.
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  Speaker 1: Part of it, but It looks like a normal dam
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  Speaker 1: to me, and I don't know if it's just because
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  Speaker 1: of like what I read about it, but it does
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  Speaker 1: have like a weird ominous look to it. I don't
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: know if you're feeling that too, but I think it
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  Speaker 1: overall generally looks like a normal dam, but there's something
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  Speaker 1: about it that creeps me out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, LA in general is creepy. I don't know if
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: you've ever seen like Inland Empire or Mulholland Drive from
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: David Lynch. No. They really, really capture. There's this feeling
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: in LA, everything is so spread out. Everything is so sunny.
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  Speaker 2: But there's like a haze. There's like a vibe there
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  Speaker 2: where it's like just eerie.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Is the haze the pollution? Probably, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like it matches the vibe sometimes. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I remember getting locked outside of a
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: friend's parents' house. work building once in los angeles like
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  Speaker 2: downtown los angeles and it's just odd it's almost like
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: a liminal space in itself the feeling there sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's like what i was feeling and picturing as
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you were describing it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah so when you say like when you're talking about
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  Speaker 2: that eerie feeling i like a hundred percent agree and
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: to me it feels no different than a lot of
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: la can feel at least.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Wow, I love that you know the area. This is
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: great because like I would have no idea. And I
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: know it's not technically PNW either, whatever.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Just barely technically.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: West Coast.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is why I thought it was funny
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: earlier that we were talking about places you know, because
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: you might know this place as well. I'm not 100% sure,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: but we'll see. So we're going to talk about Riverdale Road.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And it is an 11 mile road between Thornton and
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Brighton in Colorado.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know the name of this road, but I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: definitely driven between those two places. I'm also notoriously bad
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: at roads and maps. Someone asked me recently what way
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I go to get to Boulder from where I live.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And I take it. regularly and I couldn't remember the
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: name of the highway.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I'm the same.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Really? Okay, good.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: That makes me feel better.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I am so bad. Yeah, with directions and roads and no,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not good at it either. So where is Thornton?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Is it Thornton?
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Thornton? That's how everyone I know. Thornton? That's it. Yeah, Thornton.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Has an N in there. Has a tricky little N
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I know. I never hear people pronounce it, but maybe
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: it is pronounced and I just don't notice it or
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: maybe everyone said that wrong.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: No I don't think so because you guys are from
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: that area so I'm gonna take it from you all
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: right go for it then but I definitely forgot to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: look up like where this these places were.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Brighton is um northeast of Denver it's 30 minutes from
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Denver Thornton is a little bit closer to Denver and
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: then Brighton is further up north.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Okay We're going to go and talk about a bunch
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of things on this road and like why it might
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: be haunted, what's going on here. But the first one
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I want to bring up because every single article brings
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: it up and I don't love this theory, but I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: kind of want to know like your thoughts on it
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: as well. So they say an ancient Native American burial ground.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: either they built the road on it, I think is
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: what it is. And so it has, you know, it's
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: cursed everyone who's been on the road.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I don't love that theory because it's like, I mean,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't come up with this, but I've heard like
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: several people talk about it. And it's like saying that,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you know, the indigenous people were cursed everyone and that's
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: like the the big theory on why a bunch of
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: things are haunted I think it like started from the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: movie poltergeist or whatever yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: That's kind of a bummer to hear that like locals
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: maybe are talking like that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Because yeah I think it's still a big thing now
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: with like haunted stories.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: It's a bummer because I'm like well yeah like it's
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: all native land and like many places have that acknowledgement
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: on their websites or in their place of business and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: stuff so like Well, yeah, like it was definitely built
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: over Native American land, but that whole like ancient cemetery
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: or burial ground thing. Right.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And the curse, I think the curse is like the
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: biggest thing. It's like they were evil and they cursed us. And,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, I'm pretty sure we brought the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: curse on to them, you know.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And then we cursed ourselves by doing so. Right, right. Yeah.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: So like, actually, we did it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: No.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: But I do think that any burial ground, any cemetery,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: if you're going to like build something on top of
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: it and there's no markers for who was buried under there,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that might, you know, it might stir up some stuff,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: bring some, you know, not so great vibes. They're kind
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: of being disrespected. So I can see that part of it,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: but not necessarily that they, you know, indigenous people left
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: a curse on the land.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Definitely not. But they would be within their rights to
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: do so if that is what was happening.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: But I don't believe.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: That's what's happening.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: So moving past that, there is apparently a high number
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: of accidents that happen on the road. And one of
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the hauntings is actually the driver of a Camaro who
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: was killed in an accident on the road in the 70s.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And people report seeing a Camaro come out of nowhere
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: with one headlight out, which is like, ooh, very spooky.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And it will follow them and pull up beside them
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: as if wanting to race.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Is that how he died? Was it a race?
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know for sure. It just said it was
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: an accident.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Ooh.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So maybe, or he could have been speeding. He was
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in a Camaro. Or he could have been just following
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the rules and like a deer jumped out in front
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: of him or something. We don't know his life.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: That's so true. Sorry, guy.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: But it sounded like very James Dean to me.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I totally can picture that in like a 70s movie,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: like the Camaro, like a muscle shirt. That's a great
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: imagery with the one headlight out. I love that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, there is a comment on cohauntedhouses.com, which is Short
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: for Colorado haunted houses, if you didn't know.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Cassie's a Colorado expert over here.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Watch out.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I try.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: The comment says, my friend and I went down the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: actual Riverdale Road, and then the branch off is also
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: named Riverdale Road. So that's confusing. You might get lost
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: if there's a branch off that's also Riverdale Road. The
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: branch off was by far more scary and uneasy than
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the actual haunted Riverdale Road. I saw headlights chasing us.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: And mind you, it was right on our ass. So
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: she said headlights. So is this the Camaro or is
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it not? Because it didn't have just one headlight.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm like thinking I'm looking at that. The branch
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: off is Riverdale Road. I was like, that's not correct.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: It branches off into something else. But it totally is.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you found it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so confusing.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: That's good to know, though, that it gives... Credibility. Yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: credibility to this comment.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: And I do not think I've ever been on this road.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Like I said last episode, not intentionally. Maybe. Who knows?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was a good day for the Camaro and
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: both headlights were on, or... maybe it was a different
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: car but that's so scary it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Is scary and it gets kind of does it get
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: scarier wait i don't know if it does am i
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: about to lie oh it does get scarier okay so
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: he was right up on their ass and they go
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: on to say we were recording and none of our
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: videos had picked up any headlights behind us stop so
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that's freaking spooky So they say no one had followed
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: us onto that road either. So they didn't have like
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: someone who had turned with them onto the road. They
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: just saw headlights out of nowhere. I definitely believe there's
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: something out there. We do plan on going back to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: see if we do see anything else because it feels
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like there's more haunting on the branch off. So I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: need a follow-up story. People driving down the road might
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: spot a ghostly jogger. And if you stop, he will
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: tap on the window. I don't know if you could
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: hear that or not.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good. That was good.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Or your window might fog up and a handprint will
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: appear out of nowhere. And I just think of Titanic.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's so sexy. I was going to say he
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: asks you to check to look at his fitness tracker.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: He's like, look at my rings. Colorado jogger. oh my
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: god so tap tap tap and then just a fucking handprint.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah so i don't know why he's steaming up the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: back the back seat of the car but or it
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't say it doesn't say the back seat i think
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: i just made that up in my mind it could
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: be any window on the car but still why is
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: he fogging up the car oh because he's jogging so
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: he's moist he's creating humidity.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: There's so much happening right now. There's just the imagery
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: in my brain. I love that you assumed it was
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: backseat because of a hand on the window. Yeah. And then, yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I guess... If you're running, your body heat is up
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: or your like lack of body is like, is that
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: like a, what is that? How does that work?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Is he just like, does the ghost remember being that hot?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And so that is what is projected. Like that's the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: temp of the energy or what? Maybe the ghost sweat.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: It's like, do they sweat ectoplasm? And then how do
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you replenish? Like, what are you? How does the ghost
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: stay hydrated? Now I'm concerned.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Instead of electrolyte drink, it's an ectoplasm drink.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: That's kind of cute. I like that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Sometimes the street signs on Riverdale Road will have small
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: bloody handprints on them. And this is thought to be
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a young boy who was hit and killed on the
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: road on his way to school. Oof. I know. And
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, if there was ever an urban legend I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: didn't want to be true, I think it's this one.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really sad.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I think they said they're on, like, the caution signs
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: on the road. So is he trying to, like, tell people, like, caution,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: watch out for little kids walking the road going to school? Oh,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Cassie. I'm sorry. That's so sad. Is it verifiable that someone, like,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a little kid passed there? No.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Now, like a lot of these things, I can't I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: can't verify. They're pretty urban legend. So that's what makes
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: me feel OK, like talking about it because I don't
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: think it's true. I don't know. It could be. Who knows?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: And of course, people also see a lady in white
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: walking down the side of the road.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: As you do.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: There's always got to be a lady in white. There's
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: not specific stories related to her, but I assume she
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: kind of either disappears on the side of the road
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: or like maybe some other ladies in white. She'll get
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: in your car and ask, you know, to take her
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: someplace and then disappears. Very typical.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: What kind of road in the middle of nowhere or
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: like not even in the middle of nowhere? What kind
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: of road at night haunting would you want to experience?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Road at night haunting.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Like those, all the classic ones, or we can even
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: use these ones, the like hand on the window, someone
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: asking for a ride and getting in your car and
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: then vanishing, the headlights. What kind of thing would you
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: want to walk away with?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, none of them.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: This is like one of those questions that, what is it? Like,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: which is worse? And none of the answers are good.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Would you rather? Yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I think I'd probably want to experience the foggy windows
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and the handprint. I feel like that's the least... Like,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I could probably handle that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That sounds scary to me.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I'm also... Oh, the... Because the car outside was very loud.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It's a Camaro. I'm, like, very paranoid driving anyway. So, like,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: things jumping out at me or, like, disappearing or.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would the car like pulling up to my
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: side or whatever, wanting to race. That would probably just
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: scare the shit out of me. I don't like that
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: kind of thing.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: No. And then Colorado just has the most aggressive drivers anyway. So,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I would assume real person who like wants to do
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: some damage. Yeah. And I didn't list this one, but
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: of our haunting things I've heard, the one that would
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: traumatize me the least and I would like to tell
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the story of is if the radio started doing some
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: weird shit. Like if a voice suddenly came through on
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: a stretch of the road or like Turn to a station. Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: See, that would be cool. So speaking of the lady
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: in white, this was a really funny comment also on
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the cohauntedhouses.com. It says, so I was standing there in
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the forest after my wedding and a bunch of people
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: stopped in their cars and just looked at me like,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: go do something else. I'm not an attraction in a museum. Anyways,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: zero out of 10. Don't hold your wedding at Riverdale Road.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: You will get people looking at you.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: This might be the only circumstance in which I'd say,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: what were you wearing? You were kind of asking for it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Right? It's horrible. Definitely everyone thought she was the woman
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: in white. I think that's so funny. Like, I'm not
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: an attraction. Like, I just got married. But also, why
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: are you standing on the side of the road?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. In white.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Like, come on. Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: What do you think is going to happen? I.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna victim blame here a little bit I think
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: she knew what she was doing.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: That's really funny I.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Love how she gave it zero out of ten yeah
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and this is really spooky so it said that during
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a full moon you can see witches hanging in the trees.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh what are how do they know they're
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: witches then are they what are they wearing.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I think there's a rumor around there that there was
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: like a witch hanging tree in the area. So I
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: don't know if that just got spread to like maybe
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: all of the trees along the road. You can see
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: it or.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm like, a lot of people, you wouldn't
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: know they're witches just by looking at them. So how
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: are we deciding that they're witches?
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Do they have hats?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Right. Or....
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I think it just came from like that witch hanging tree.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: So it is rumored that a community of occultists had
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: lived in the area. Is there a theme with my
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: two stories, you guys? Remains of rituals and pentagrams carved
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: in the trees have been found along the road. And
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: some messages were written on caution signs on Riverdale Road.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: One that says, Hitchhikers may be demons. And the other says,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: this road is cursed.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: That's scary.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: There's an old mansion on the road that allegedly a
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: man burned down with his family inside. And some people
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: think that he did this because he was possessed. Oh, okay.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Which I could see... thinking like someone who could do
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: that like maybe maybe there's something more like evil and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: sinister going on other than the fact that like a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: human actually did this to his family.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah and i mean there are still a lot of
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: people that believe even if it even if they're attributing
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: it to that person's mental state there's still like a
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: belief that that's influenced by demons yeah Yeah, you either
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: go all demon or it's like, oof, they're just like
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: so not doing well. Or there's that like hybrid kind
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: of belief system where it's like they're so not doing
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: well because of the demons. Either way, hard to cope
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: with someone doing that to their family.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I know. It reminds me of like, is it like
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the Amityville?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what I was thinking, too.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: The dad killed the family?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: People say they've seen the mansion's iron gates still standing,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: calling them the gates of hell.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: It's all connected. Oh, my God.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: It's all connected. No one actually knows where the gates are, though.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: And some people say that they only appear at certain times,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: maybe to certain people, maybe when they want to be seen. Mwahaha.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Is there any way that this could be like a
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: trick of the light? If they're not there all the time,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: is there anything casting shadows that looks like gates? Maybe.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: That's not what the show is. I'm sorry. No, they're
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: apparitions or they're actually, it's a portal.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: And it only reveals itself when the time is right
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: or wrong for the.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: No, you know, I like to think of like other alternatives.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: There could be, there could be like trees around. It's abandoned, right?
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: So it could be there's like tall grass.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I don't... I don't know. I love thinking about the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: origin of story. So I'm just like.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: If we play full skeptic, how did that story start?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: What was the first thing that the person saw that
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: made this story, you know, turn into what it is today?
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It is hard, though, because we want to believe people.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: We want to... Yeah.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I want to believe spooky stories. So we'll just have
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to go there and search for the gates to hell ourselves.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I need a buddy if that's the mission. I was like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I volunteered to do a couple things. That's not what
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I'm doing on my own.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, never go alone. Never go on a
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: search for the gates of hell alone.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: And we've always said that.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, do you have one more fun thing for you?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Since I technically didn't really cover things that were in
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest this time. So I have a 1920s
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: four-bedroom house in Salem, Oregon, that was listed as a
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: great opportunity in 2020. Photographs of the property were shared
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: on social media. One photo shows an inverted pentagram painted
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: on the basement wall. Another shows a hole in the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: wall with open me and find him written above it.
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  Speaker 1: One user calling it a portal to hell.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. The greatest opportunity. No, thank you.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: It's like what kind of opportunity? Like the opportunity to
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: meet Satan?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Is that what we're talking about?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Can you be more specific, please? Was this Airbnb?
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: No, it was a house for sale.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sale. Okay.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Just looks like a normal house from the outside.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I really like that door and the... Bit of roof
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: above it. That trim is really cute.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I know. It seems like a bright and happy, colorful...
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: It's like yellow and orange.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, dear. I told you. Is what is written
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: on one of the doors. Is it?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. That whole.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: This is maybe someone having... just a good laugh or
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: seeing the lucrative potential of calling anything haunted or satanic.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe I could see that too, but the estate agent
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: does not acknowledge the creepy wall markings in the listings
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: description and simply says the inside quote needs full rehab.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: but admitted it was cash only and sold as it is.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the great opportunity, the investment would
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: be like to buy a cheap house and fix it
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: up and sell it for more.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's what they meant.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: But still, like, it's pretty funny. Like, I was thinking,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: did they want like a cultist to come and buy it? Like, hey,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: this could be your new like home base.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Totally.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: But funny that people were calling it the portal to
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: hell based on like a little hole and open me
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and find him. Oh my gosh. Have you ever been
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: to any portals in hell?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Not any that I know of. But I did have
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: a dream.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Not on purpose.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Not intentionally. I've never intentionally or knowingly wandered into an
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: actual portal to hell. But I did have a dream
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: when I was very young. And it stuck with me
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: in a very intense way about my grandparents' neighbor's house
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: being a portal to hell. What? The dream was so severe. Like,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: it was so... It really, like, affected me. Like, I
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: don't want... I'd have to, like, recall every single detail. But, like,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: the main part of it was, like, Her house had
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: these tracks running through it, like a train car or
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: a roller coaster, like tracks running throughout it. And I
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: remember getting on the ride. And you know in a
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: dream how you can just sometimes feel that something is
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: what it is. You don't see it. It's not told you. So, like,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I immediately felt that it was hell. And, like, the
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: creepiest part of the whole dream, other than the fact that, like,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I remember... talking briefly to the devil he was like
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: playing these many characters on the ride whoa was that
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: there was this very lovely spirited classical music playing with
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: all of it like it was like upbeat classical whoa
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: like i think i think uh what's that movie with
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: tony cola and the guy the the head comes off
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: by the street sign i'm blanking on the name right
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: now it's From a couple years ago, it's like everyone's
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: scariest movie, if they're not a big horror person.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Hereditary?
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Hereditary, which was very scary. But at the end, when
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: he finally is crowned and accepts his role as like
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: the demon or whatever, there's this like really pretty classical
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: music that plays. And it was like that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so spooky.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: So spooky. And it's never left me. And I kind
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: of like after that dream, it kind of changed how
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I perceived the world around me for a little bit
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: just because it felt so real. And maybe there was
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: some dream portal, some astral plane that briefly transported me.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That is that's going to affect
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: me for a minute.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: No, I've had a dream like that for sure. That
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: just like affected you.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: And it was like I was trapped in the land
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: of the dead. Yeah. For like years and years. And
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I was like a little kid. Oh my God. I
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: think I was like six or seven when I had
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: this dream. But I was like trapped for years.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And could you feel that it was years?
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I woke up and I was like,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know like what the world is anymore.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: What do you do with that?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I know, especially so young. But yeah, so I totally
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: like understand the vibe that you just kind of like
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: know what it is and you weren't told to. Yeah. Well, anyway,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: does anyone else have any traumatic dreamage to share with us?
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Have you ever been to hell?
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Let us know. So we're going to do some tarot
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: and we have a Thoth deck.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yay.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Which was like Alistair Crowley's deck so I thought we
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: could use that today that sounds fun love it it
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: is different than normal tarot so I have the interpretation
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: book sometimes what comes out is a little um crazy
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: and doesn't make like a ton of sense so we'll
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: see what like what we get I'm excited it's very
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: esoteric you know some of your vibes Your Gates portal
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: to hell vibe.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Portal to hell, the liminalness of Los Angeles.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, so spooky. Okay, so I am at a desk here.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I can kind of, I can spread these out. So
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: do you want me to just like run a finger
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: along these and you kind of tell me when to stop?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Or are you feeling like a certain keyboard spot?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, actually, I'm going to try to visualize. Okay, tell
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: me when you're starting and then I'll tell you when
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: to stop.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm starting running a finger along the spread out cards.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: That one kind of like poked out too when I
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: ran my finger across it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So we got the knight of discs. A
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: knight dressed in black on a horse.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: My first instinct, just so maybe a disclaimer. This was
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: my second instinct card. The first one was like right
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: after you said I'm starting. Like the second card or like, yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: The second card is interesting. It's Dominion.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: We should do both.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I'm down. Oh, it does say wands on it. There's like,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can see. There's like a
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: tiny little word at the bottom that says dominion and
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: like shadowy behind it says wands.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: That's horrible design. Sorry, but.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's two of wands is what the dominion
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: card is. It says, ooh, the flames of the will.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: flames like a portal to hell or the gates to
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: hell would have flames for sure.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Am i connected or am i connected.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: You knew instinct goal assertiveness conquest and rulership light so
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the light part of this card is impulse courage to
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: take action and the shadow quality is destructiveness oh that's
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: kind of like what we were saying like of the occultists.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I also relate to that card on a personal level.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Totally. This card presents to us the ambiguity concealed in
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: every symbol. We see two crossed, I don't know these words,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: they're some sort of weapons, two crossed weapons, which as
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: thunderbolts signify the divine power of the destructiveness of good
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: as well as evil. That kind of reminds me of
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: like a gateway because it says like two crossed things.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, so this is interesting. They wear
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: demon masks on their ends, expressing fear as well as
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: magically overcoming it. Oh, they do have like little demon
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: masks on the little daggers. That's so cool.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I really like that card.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I noticed too? I do too. Like
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the coloring on it. So it reminds me of water
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and like fire on top of water. Like maybe a dam. Yeah.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Just saying. Yeah.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: And the fact that there's like demons on it too.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: And we've been talking about demons and possession.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Well, dominion makes me think of devils too. I don't
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: know if it's inherently related, but.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Right, I was wondering if it's going to say what
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: that word means because I don't exactly know. On another level,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the daggers are phallic symbols. Of course they are. And
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: show the procreative as well as the destructive power of sexuality. Okay,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: it's more of the same stuff. Something about snakes. They
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: can either keel or heel. Okay, it basically is a
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: giant paragraph that says the same thing 12 different times.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, fair. Like me.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, kind of. Energetically, the two is equivalent to
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the first formation of the fire from the still unformulated
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: source of ideas. What does that even mean? This book
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: is nonsense.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Does it mean like the concept of fire?
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I guess so.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: It's esoteric, so it's whatever you want it to mean.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: You're so funny. This book is nonsense. Zero out of
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: 10 stars.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I hate it. I'm not into it. Let's never do
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: this again. The card then describes the spontaneous energy of
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: fire or the unbridled aimless fire spirit, which finds it
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: more important to want than to act. So like maybe
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: want to raise the Antichrist, but like don't actually do it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: That's what I took it as as well.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: It sees its task in the expression of its will
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: and not so much in the attainment of the goal.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: At the same time, it is driven by an undirected
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: power taking new paths upon which there are often interesting
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: possibilities for development without considering the possible shambles.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't say it earlier, but I was thinking
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: about even if none of this started as true supernatural
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: like activity or whatever. I was thinking about the power
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: of story, like Dana and Greg. Thank you. Greg and
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Dana Newkirk. Yes.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: On their tour last year where they were trying to
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: haunt an object.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Speaking to the power of want versus action or like,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I think there's just something there for me where I'm like,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: maybe it's very possible to manifest hell. Maybe it is
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: only there because we are telling the stories of it
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. Right.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I do agree with that. Yeah. I also got to
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: help haunt those dolls. I'm so jealous. Okay. And it
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: has like a little Aries symbol on it too.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Ooh. Okay.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: So it says Mars and Aries, the Roman, the Romans
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: called the battering ram. with which they broke down the
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: gates of besieged fortresses, Ares, and astrological name of the ram.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: But it says something about breaking down the gates. That's interesting.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: On an inner level, this card encourages us to deal
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: with the theme of violence.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Do we want to read the other card?
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so the Knight of Disks, the father of
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the harvest and the fructifying power?
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see, they don't make it easy.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: What is fructifying?
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: And you are saying things great, by the way. I'm
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: looking it up. Fructifying is the present participle form of
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: the verb fructify. You didn't need us. Okay. Beth didn't
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: need to start with that. Duh. Which means to bear fruit.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: It'd be funny if it just stopped there. Right.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: To bear fruit, make productive or yield a profitable and
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: useful result.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: So like the word I would know would be fruitful.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: But it does say it's like the father of the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: harvest too. So that makes sense.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: So it is the reason that something would be fruitful.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: You fructify and I guess that makes it fruitful. Be
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: kind of the way to think about that. Okay.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. We're getting somewhere. We're learning.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Would this like be the devil because he fructifies hell
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: with his souls?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Instinct, surviving for possession, security, intangible things. Goal, duration, stability,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and internal values. Light, endurance, reason, strength, and patience. Strict, authoritarian, weighty,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: and tenacious. This sounds like the devil to me. It does.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Whoa. Wow.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: So the devil has some insecurities.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he totally envies God.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: And you're right, that is a he.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Like, that's what I took from that.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: That is a he in this case. The devil is male.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: That's true. If he's feeling like that, yeah. Ooh, quality. Interesting.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the father of the harvest and the procreative power represents
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: the fiery, fructifying spirit of Mother Earth. Are you trying
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: to take her credit?
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like. And I never thought about
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: the devil as bad. Like when you break it down
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: and why the devil is the devil, it's just the
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: human parts of human. But this doesn't sound great.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I know. But it does say he cares for the
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: animals and plants, which is why... he carries a flail
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: instead of a sword. Oh, he does have like a
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: whippy thing instead of a sword. So he whips everything
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: into shape.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Or maybe it's more with like the dogmatic stuff. Maybe
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: this is more about like the L. Ron Hubbard, the
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: NASA guy and Alistair Crowley than it is about the
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: devil directly.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I could see that. The massive armor of
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the knight also expresses the limitation caused by his all-too-earthly instincts,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: separating him from the spiritual sources of light. This explains
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: his often short-sighted behavior when, for the sake of material gain,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: he plunders Mother Earth through the clearing of forests, over-fertilizing
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: of fields, or catching fish in great quantities. But that's like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I think, showing like the both sides of it. Like
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's trying to show, like it kind of
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: talked about in the upper portion of this the light
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and the shadow good point so it's kind of like
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: each card has like two different vibes kind of like
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: when we do tarot when we do like reverse and
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: yeah not reverse it is interesting though it keeps saying
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: like fiery and that the card is very like orange
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: and red too which is also you know what kind
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: of looks fiery and fall yeah and fall that book
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I forgot like how bad it is.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: It's a lot. It's definitely, I guess, yeah, esoteric, if
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: not just self-indulgent.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I think I really do like the cards
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: we got, though. Like, just the imagery on them, both
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: kind of fiery.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I am glad that I asked you to do the
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: second card, after all. The Dominion one. Yeah.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I like that one, too. It's a good one.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Well, if you guys have anything to say about the
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: interpretations there, if you can.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: If you're a little more esoteric than me, which I
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: think Taylin is a little bit. She kind of helped
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: explain some of that for me because that was not.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: But like. Not good. That's not even. Those are just
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: my interpretations.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even make heads or tails of it. So
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: at least you did something with it.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I think that if I was the one reading it
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: to you, you would probably have the luxury of.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe could process it a little better.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe listening back, I'll have some more thoughts.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I'll just keep them to myself.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: And you did read those well. Those are clunky sentences
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: to get through. Oh, God.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: And I still have a cold. So like I'm trying
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: to not snort through the sentence as well. Okay. Well,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I think we should probably say goodbye for this week.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: And have a creepy ass day. We'll see you next Thursday.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Unless you stumble through a portal to hell and you
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: fall down there and have a hoedown with the devil.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Or find a suspicious looking house that is a great opportunity.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: And you simply have to invest.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: And also a hole.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: And also a hole. Find a hole, have a hoedown.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: It's a great opportunity.