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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of The Dalek Invasion of Earth (4/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Welcome back to hamster with a blunt.
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Penknife a doctor who commentary podcast.
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I am Dylan, and I'm joined by the regular host Joe.
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Hello. Hey, hello, how are we're back
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again, very pleased to be here. Thank you for inviting me on.
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Oh yeah, thanks for coming on your own podcast.
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It's really nice to have you. How was your Christmas or
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Christmas? You know, it was a lot of
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eating, a lot of drinking, a lot of sitting down in the, in the
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It's not really doing a lot put on about forty, five Stones.
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You know, you can't go up the stairs anymore, but apart from
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that, fine, do you die every January?
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Like me? I dieted January to November
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with blips in the middle and what?
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Right? One year.
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Oh, sorry. We're here to talk about dark
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invasion of Earth. Just to say any minute now.
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Well, if so far, we've had about a month-and-a-half breaks and
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stuff, just so you're all in the loop.
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Okay, right, let's just continue our conversation down to one
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year, right? Man, I was burned by Doctor Who
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at Christmas because the one thing I would, but I can't bear.
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I don't collect any Doctor Who figures, right?
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I'll never touch that part of merchandise.
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Honestly, that show came back to knit.
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They had a figure of, absolutely everybody.
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I'll grab Grandma Donnelly from the idiots Lantern.
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Well, everything I opened up was a doctor who figure of one kind
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or another. They all thought I was gonna
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beat alive. I'm surrounded by all these
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ghoulish figures. Hell, am I gonna do with it?
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You know, I had a similar thing when Doctor Who came back
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whenever it was Christmas or my birthday, people who buy me any
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old shit with a logo on it, which is fine.
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And I just used to put it in a box under my bed and then
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eventually, I got to a point. I've got I've got boxes at this
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stuff. I could, I don't need it.
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I'm just going to take it to the charity shop.
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Took it to the charity sharp, left it, there felt relieved.
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It was, you know, Doctor Who Adventures of Dalek cookie
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cutters and things like that, and destroyed Cassandra and
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stuff like that. But got that was The work
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anyway. So I took it to the shop then a
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few days later, my girlfriend at the time says, why don't you
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come over? I've got a present for you.
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That's a kind of really what? And I went round that you've
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gone past a charity shop. So there's a reason you've got
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the stuff under the bed All day long of a break it out that fry,
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you, and it's okay. And it's a character from book
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to, that's genius. Well, since we did the first
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half of this offer seat, the Blu-ray of seats him.
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I've got to say, they polish up pretty well.
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They do, they do? I've kind of found a newfound
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respect when I went in for an episode for which were about to
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do the moment of just like how sparkling a wonderful it looks.
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I may have even reappraise Richard Martin.
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As the greatest Doctor Who director of all time or not,
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that is a hell of an epitome of what you said, in episode one,
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two, three. She don't, you know what?
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We were small caveat. We are, we have had about a
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six-week break since recording episodes 13.
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And we may repeat, occasionally, what I've heard.
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I've heard about what we said in the first half of this.
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Exactly. So you're going to just tell me
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to shut up. If I start saying something I've
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said before, never be so rude. Honestly, But man, that was a
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fantastic set by the Yeah, the extra just getting better and
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better on. Oh they're wonderful.
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I was a bit. I was a bit sad to see.
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William Russell William Russell's interview.
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I mean no, no, he's getting on a bit but, you know, it just it
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but I think I said on the last one, it might have been a hard
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watch and it definitely was a hard watch but you know, he
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seems very well I didn't get through it.
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All I have and I actually thought it was a little bit in
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bad taste putting it out because he Clearly was being prompted,
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an author there was less finding out anything I'm more Kenny
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actually have a conversation and that's where is the more I know
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prior one, I thought was brilliant.
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Really revealing, you know. Yeah, exactly.
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It's just a bit of a shame that I mean, it is getting on his.
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How old is he, 96 something like that if I'm in fine shape like
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that 96th and I'll be quite happy.
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Yeah, me too me too. But if anybody out there is
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really interested to see a visual interview with William
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Russell, I would recommend his myth makers which is a real
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good. It's, you know, him probably in
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his late fifties, early sixties and it's a real insight into his
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Doctor Who career, and his career up to that point.
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It's a lot of fun. And to quickly again, which and
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Maureen. O'Brien, one of the small gifts,
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I did get for Christmas was one of her novels does mention in
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the Taylor law can get past page, free first scene featured
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a woman getting moist down below that's how far it was.
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Yeah, let's do that as in. so in 5 4, 3 2, 1, Actually I do have
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a question for you straight away to stimulate station way to
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learn. This is the Daleks.
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Yes what was your first experience of the Daleks and did
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they like capture you straight away.
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So my very first experience of a Dalek was before I knew what
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Doctor Who was. And I this is kind of like a
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half memory that I don't know whether you remember it.
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Or I just remember my nan telling me that we went to some
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sort of A somewhere on the was a full.
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There was a life-sized are like someone in a Dalek there and I
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just ran away from it petrified. So that is my first experience
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of a Dalek and I know it was before I'd ever seen Doctor Who.
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But but the first time I ever saw them would have been I think
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it was day of the Daleks on VHS and I don't think I've ever
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found a particularly threatening in that guy's, I think when you
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get to the 80s stuff and like, Resurrection, I think I was I
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think resurrection and Remembrance.
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I probably found them a bit more.
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Sky's carries the wrong word. It was this.
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This is the only Doctor Who I remembered really being scared
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of was the heme of oars when I was a kid in the curse of fenric
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and the destroyer in Battlefield.
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But no, I don't think I ever really I don't think I've ever
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really had the Dalek fear, he always gave me most when I was a
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Nipper nurse Lamont from Terror of the zygons objects, remember
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be fucking chilled by scary eyes and that blood going down their
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own. It wasn't, the not in mid
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nineties. I bear in mind.
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You've got Star Trek being turned out X-Files all this
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really polish TV. We're awful.
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Resurrection of the Daleks revelation of the Daleks and
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remembrance of the dollars whether most exciting stylish
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and polish television because they are they absolutely are.
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And so anyway, what's occurring in dark invasion of Earth?
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Well, they're just pouring some acid onto a bomb.
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Now a little bit of trivia here when they're in the studio there
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with one version of the bomb. And now, Now that outside when
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the bombs dissolving when the pump because it's a polystyrene
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version that they just pour in some something called that makes
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the dissolve. So it's cut it.
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It's quite a complicated production, this one, but yeah.
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Obviously, the best way to stop a bomb, has to pour acid on it,
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apparently not really heard that saying, I don't think Nation,
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don't think any bomb disposal Squad will ever tell you that.
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That's the best way to get rid of it.
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You know, after said quite a bit of tactile touching guy Between
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Susan and David, as I might be. So got on here might be.
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I mean, I do think that the script and the characters just
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about sell it, although, I'm not sure how I would have felt about
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being left with my first-ever crush.
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Just in a time that I didn't know dumped on the planet.
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Yeah, yeah. May I suggest that you don't go
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read. John peels War of the Dalek.
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They hang on Legacy of the darling.
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Yeah, to see what occurred with Susan after this story.
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I vaguely remember it. Pretty terrible.
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Yeah, I don't know, big finish audio as well so after this,
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yeah, they've done once I think it's called, like, after the
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Daleks or something like that, which, you know, I'll be quite
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interested to hear if I'm sure. They've done it with a little
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bit more tact than old John peel, who never does anything
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that much tax. I don't think my, although,
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didn't he write the edge of Destruction novelization?
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You know, maybe you did. Yeah, that's nice Robinson.
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Yeah, job appeal. Master plan, right?
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And that's right. Locations in two parts.
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Yeah, one thing we did say in the first half, was how nice it
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was that each of the regulars had their own sort of
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contemporary character and story line going on.
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I think it does add a bit of pace.
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We get to go from Barbara and Jenny and David Ian.
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And I don't know the fellow at the mine.
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Just happens to be the fella from.
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Are you being served? Yeah, I mean it's Yeah exactly.
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You know I really like I think I ship journey and Barbara I think
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there's like that the anger the some real sort of sexual tension
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between them the so I'm you know it's 2021 50 or whatever.
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So Jenny's probably a very open woman while Barbara from the
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60s. Would be far too reserved for
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any of that business. We just cut away before last
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stuff happens. Yeah, exactly.
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That's what they're doing. Now, while the Ian is jumped out
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of spaceship and go back tonight, Not good enough.
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Now, this stuff here, where they're kind of cutting between
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Studio footage of a.m. and you've got a doll.
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It was just possibly got stopped on a bit of trouble there, but
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you've suddenly got all these extras being pulled Along by
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pulling along this train and stuff like that.
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It's like this is really epic stuff.
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This is the Doctor Who equivalent of Ben Hur.
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Yeah. Look how many extra you will
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never get this many extras you something, but they've got the
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camera on top of it. And like, all right, so I think
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last time I said, how white everybody was but apparently
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they did try and get kind of multi ethnicities for the extras
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and they just couldn't find anybody in the business.
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At that point parent, I want to say anything in policy but you
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know they were all slaves. So cool Shi.
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Yeah, but you're right again, Richard Martin is directing in
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the hell out of it. I'm like yeah, it looks
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fantastic. I they've got Scary old man at
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the back that looks they look like they've been worn away from
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being in this mine for a long time.
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Well, I think is well that cut between studio and location is
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less obvious. And it is, yeah, I'm Productions
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now, is this because because it's been cleaned up, or if
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we've been watching the DVD version will be.
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No, it's like, it's really like I just sitting down to watch.
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Episode 3 on the restored thing. I was like this is a much
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smoother production, but this is a lot of that.
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Duration. I don't know and they've made
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some tweaks occasionally because I won't be able to chase.
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They made some there's a scene on a radius R goes from day to
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night and they did some tweaking with the the to make it less
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obvious. That it was a lie going off for
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things like this. This stuff all the stuff we've
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just seen, which is clearly stock footage of cable, cars and
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minds and stuff like that, that nobody knows where that footage
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is from. They know it stopped footage,
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but no one's ever been able to to Source it.
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So, in theory, they could get sued for using getting at any
12:50
point, but they weren't there. Is someone somewhere out there
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has done a montage of every bit of stock footage ever in Doctor
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Who, it'll be that that volcano from The Inferno credits going
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over space rocket that goes up every now and again like in the
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Android Invasion, as you know, things like that.
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But you know, there's a bit of context you thanks.
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Do you know those buildings the fall down in enemy of the world,
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when the use a couple of times as well, you know, no me
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neither, it helps us with this old TV, it's about what helps
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sell the story, not necessarily what is the most realistic like
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bit of footage or effect that they can get.
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So, it doesn't bother me. It's just, it's like in theater
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where you cut to a bit of stock footage and stuff like that,
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it's just selling selling the story and I think, as well, in a
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similar, Season where there are, they're trying to do some pretty
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epic stuff. The web Planet, the chase they
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may not succeed but they are trying to man Bishop stuff.
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I think sort of visually in terms of location working sets.
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This is the most successful that they do they are vast amount of
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Grants or geographically with lots of different sets and lots
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of different location work. So if you can imagine just
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looking at this episode, it's a tie they've got this tiny studio
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and we're seeing a corner of kind of a spaceship And then
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we're saying that what is the garage or the Transport Museum
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wherever it is and and then a bit of a sewer I think it is and
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then trying to make so that together with location work and
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stock footage is just like you can imagine how small that
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studio wasn't thinking, we've got room for four sets out of.
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He made this B down to enjoy or not to convince you.
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You know. It is it is throwing actors
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giving us a bit of Willie and yeah this stuff is going on.
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Yeah. Yeah, I'm sold.
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Unfortunately, like we said before, the cameras, very often
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over the action and things like that, so you got to try to
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squint to see what's going on. Yeah, but everybody here is
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selling selling it because none of them is giving a heart.
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You know, when you get to things like the space museum, perhaps a
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Galaxy for your a bit. Like some of these people are
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giving it their all and perhaps some of them are not here.
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The regular the regulars are giving it their all and yeah, I
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do get distracted sometimes when somebody I recognize from So
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vividly from an Amish is in Doctor Who unless mr.
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Rambo, LaSalle jug is from Grace, brother.
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I don't hate. The thing is even as a kid, like
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watching this, on the VHS for the first time, I was like, he's
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from something else. Like but it's when you see, like
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a comedy actor out of sorts, you do you see, William Russell and
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something else, you just go and what he was, the leading young
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man at the time, but this is like you don't belong in the
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show. Show your are you being served
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only imagine Mollie sugden turning up his Jenny you know
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the you know what these sequences though?
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In dark invasion of Earth 2150 ad with Ashton.
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The black marketeer then I ever it is Philip Maddock.
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Isn't it in the movie? It is it is, you know, I
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remember when I first saw this version, I honestly I remember
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the quality of being so bad at the video that I just thought it
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was Philip magic again and he was the only cast member they,
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They carried out. Of course, it's not as terrible
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called, think it's late. These two have a, do she Taylor
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up in Scotland, nice. I'll send him 20 quid in the
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post and the VHS would turn up with all seven episodes of
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Doctor. Who in the silurians, you know
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what, I had a few people like that.
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And over lockdown, I digitized all my old tapes, including some
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terrible terrible, like Seventh Generation Doctor, Who videos,
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and what? I didn't watch them.
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It was quite funny to skip through them and just go, like,
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you can't looks like a snowstorm.
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You can't tell what's going on in any of them.
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But can I just say right, the seams here between Barbara and
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Jenny are using the bechdel test?
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Yeah, the 60s. Now, I'm telling you now,
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there's many Hinchcliffe story in the 70s.
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Yeah, I always that miserably. Absolutely, and this look, this
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shot here of just Jenny popping out and seeing the dead Dortmund
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lying in the road. Like again, Richard Martin is
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firing on all cylinders in this episode.
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It feels like it's taken him three episodes to bed in.
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But this is the bit in the Middle where we get the
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crocodile down in the sewer. Yeah, this looks like this.
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It's really really tight. The tiniest crocodile you could
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possibly imagine. It's that stock footage.
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It was a film in That's so which I assume or stock footage, but I
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think in terms of well building that all the creatures have gone
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down into the sewers. Yeah, I mean, it's very Terry
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Nation survivors, you know, you've got plague and scavengers
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and black market Traders and creatures in the sewers, like
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you revisit these ideas later on nation is a sword and a right
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out. I think he's got a black hole
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when it comes to getting out his pen and write.
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And doctor, he does some pretty dark stuff.
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He does. He does, I think, you know, if
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you re made Add this. Now, it would be a very dark,
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dark story, and I think still think it's dark for the time,
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but I just think people, often confuse have something is
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delivered with the intention of what the original script might
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have been like, I mean, Paradise type Towers, God bless if I love
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it but you can also see a very dark version of that with
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exactly the same script and just a different director and
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different. And when you gotta put on that,
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David snail score. Yeah, I know.
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It's all at the same over dumb performers, isn't it?
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But You, you're sort of halfway there to that much darker
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version of that story solutely. And then you lower the lighting
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a little bit and it just it becomes something else.
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You watch that the first episode of survivors in the first
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episode of Blake's 7. Yeah, that's about as Bleak as
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TV, guess. Yeah, absolutely.
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It's against that, isn't it? That's sort of fatalism is 100%.
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Now, we get abs and jelly on the right now.
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This is blissful all of this stuff.
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This fantastic now. The tax disc on this vehicle.
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Listeners. I don't know whether you spotted
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this says 1965. Now we think there's a setting
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Twenty, One fifty sixty, something like that so that
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Vehicles a couple hundred years old.
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Well, it's in a museum but I'm surprised.
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It's still, I'm surprised. It's still going, this looks
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incredibly good. The the shots through the window
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of the van, going towards the Darlings, Yeah.
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In Barbara couldn't be any cooler.
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She's hot man as you just smash for a bunch of Daleks.
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Yeah, she's the full action. Hero was fantastic.
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And then and I know like to wash, you can see, always
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suddenly cuts to were in the studio and it's clearly not
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moving in this the camera. Moving to the stunt version on
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location, but in 1964. 65 64. Isn't it?
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The 64? MB of watching those tiny little
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TVs as no one would have noticed.
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It has been the most epic thing they'd ever see what it didn't.
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A little bit, you know, on that series to Blu-ray the behind the
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sofas because I thought that actually they would not making
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any allowances at all for the fact that this was being made in
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the 1960s and yeah, TVs moved on a great deal since then.
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But actually in the terms of the 1960s, this is really
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impressive. Yeah.
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It is, it is, it's I mean, it's very easy to poke fun, which we
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will and have done and as if on cue, there's a sorcerer.
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But, yeah, I do. I think you'd have to make
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allowances for it but I do find on a lot of those behind the
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sofa things. Not only did they not make an
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allowance for say 60s effects. They also don't make allowance
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for modern stuff. It's like a lot of the 80s
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actors in to be stocking like this.
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Kind of limbo of like a couple television now is weird and it
20:49
was very funny back in the day and the 80s and 90s were the
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best time, which I'm not sure. Exactly Rings true.
20:55
But there's sort of like, a weird sort of knowing mocking at
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it. Yeah.
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Yeah it seems a bit distasteful for me.
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Like you find people that are going to look at these
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strengths. You know I love Maureen O'Brien
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sitting there watching all laughing her head off.
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Say isn't that before you know my favorite one I think was
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probably watching Sasha 21 watch Roger Delgado which was awesome
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amazing. Yeah if you watch him power of
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the dark side he brings it down a bit while.
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Yeah, he does. He does.
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And then who are the ones? I quite enjoyed.
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Colin Baker watching season 24 as well.
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I hope that's a yes, Paradise Towers.
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Yeah, and you can say - you could see Collins, code call it.
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And is in his got all different guises, just chewing up that
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dialogue. Come on, let's get it.
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Who do you think is the most successful guest character in
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this in terms of performers? And in terms of writing, Yeah.
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I mean, I don't think it's David as much as it should be.
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I think it's probably Jenny because you've got this.
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She's a victim of Trauma from whatever's happened, a family of
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probably did. I think they might even service
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and say in the early episodes she's been through a hell of a
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lot. And I think it's delivered,
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well, it's written. Well I think, you know, she's
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fantastic. What about you?
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I think as ever Bernhard K is giving a performance above and
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beyond. What is expected of from a
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doctor who story? I think he does in colonies by
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see. That's hit the faceless ones.
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Ones he does it in the Crusade later this year and there is a
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proper sort of world weariness. Yeah.
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Is it Tyler or Wyler? Which one's Wyler?
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That's 2150. Ad isn't it?
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Yeah, this is Tyler. Tyler.
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Jenny's got our balaclava back on.
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Is that? That's because she is this your
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tire here or something or something like that.
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So I think that was that was what they said.
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It's all very hard. That's a backdrop.
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There is a. Look at that, look at that
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little post box that was in the corner.
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When the first came into shots, it's just everybody's proper
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thought about how they're going to try and make this huge story
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that's in a tiny space. Oh my god look who it is but you
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look like what a guy. Don't worry about the sliver.
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Is it? Nick Evans who plays him this
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fabulous Camp bloke. He's like on an Interview on the
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DVD goes. So yeah, I was told by Dickie
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Martin come and do a bit of work so they unveiled this Dalek
23:35
thing and I had to play that for three episodes.
23:37
They like I will we've got a bit of extra work for you, but they
23:40
unveiled the sliver. Anyway, the Press who are hot on
23:44
Doctor Who at this point because it was so popular.
23:46
The Press tells up at his house and says, can we interview you
23:49
about the sliver and he's like, fucking anything about the
23:53
sliver. I liked it.
23:55
Anyway, thought they're going to give me 50 Quid.
23:56
Come in something he fakes the vote is bullshit about.
24:01
The sliver and as his picture taken and everything, awful,
24:05
I'll go on Nick Evans. Got a bit of money out.
24:08
Amazing, you know, they Slither was conceived as a floating
24:12
black jellyfish, which is quite what we get, but it's you know
24:19
what? I can never work out, you know,
24:20
they could they can hear that screaming outside, that's all
24:25
boys. Supposed to be the Slither or is
24:27
it supposed to be the slivers victims?
24:30
Never quite as Richard Myers, or we're never going to know our
24:33
way. I was a fantastic Slither or
24:37
Slivovitz an impression that you did though.
24:40
Yeah, there is a bizarre noise, isn't it?
24:46
I'm sure this never has been in a big finish.
24:56
Right, to pillage, the entirety of classic Doctor, Who, if they
25:03
have. So we've got our black market
25:05
Trader, not fill it matter that can.
25:07
Fortunately, that's but this, this feels very Terry Nation as
25:12
well. Because in survivors, there's
25:13
lots of characters like, this are exploiting the situation,
25:17
you know, nine-tenths of the world population are out in 87.
25:20
You meet lots of sort of dodgy characters like this, don't you?
25:23
Yeah, like marketeers. And if they're usually the most,
25:26
Most interesting characters. Absolutely a bit Patrick,
25:30
troughton plays a sort of a nice black market Trader in one of
25:34
them. So this is why vers but he
25:36
disappeared I think he's killed in, like, literally within the
25:39
first 10, 15 minutes. Something like that was ashamed,
25:41
but he's not. Ashton is not really around long
25:45
enough to make much of an impact here in.
25:47
We doesn't get blown up like in the other one.
25:49
I think I better get exterminated.
25:52
I can't remember. But it just adds another layer
25:55
that there's not just people that are Since to the Dalek
25:57
invasion there are some people that are exploiting it as well.
26:00
Yeah, which is what people, which is what would happen.
26:03
I think Terry Nation does have quite a cynical view of humanity
26:07
and what people are like and you know, people accuse them of
26:10
being quite a basic writer, but I don't think that's true at
26:13
all. I think you've, I think he
26:15
really gets characters, but he's a, he's interested in writing
26:18
the darker side of humanity and sometimes perhaps the script
26:21
editors of Doctor Who don't necessarily want that for kids
26:25
Saturday teatime show, And that's where you end up with the
26:28
keys of marinus and stuff like that, but you still have the
26:31
keys of marinus, right? Marv laughs just downstairs,
26:33
that's one of his favorites. There is one of my favorites
26:35
too, but I'm not going to raise it as a work of Genius.
26:39
Nice, indeed. In fact, you know what I like he
26:44
once when we were talking we were doing the commentary on the
26:46
Android Invasion and he gave her such a brilliant reading.
26:50
As to why Terry nation was his favor because he doesn't want
26:53
dogs who to be madly experimental thing that he Of
26:56
sort of when the show leans into the cliches, you've got the
27:00
companion and the doctor wandering, allocation and
27:02
episode 1. Daleks are a view.
27:04
That's absolute like this. That's not meat and potatoes
27:06
dogs who that's golden Doctor, Who think?
27:08
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, everybody's got their
27:11
favorite, right? Are here's the tiny crocodile.
27:15
Yeah. Like if I saw that in any where
27:19
I was, I didn't copy, like, I'll be all right.
27:21
I don't think. I think I'm going to get eaten
27:23
alive. But she is hanging off a ladder,
27:25
a great height there. So I think that's one Susan's
27:28
got the right to be a little bit nervous.
27:30
Yeah. Yeah.
27:30
No. Yeah.
27:31
For once, for once in my story, I think he would have been great
27:36
in this one, is she? Yeah, she was like, starting
27:38
that revolution in the space museum?
27:40
She didn't their rally in the troops.
27:42
She wouldn't kick that crocodile in the first run of the season,
27:47
the like you're getting a bit too scared of it.
27:50
She would just didn't know what I needed to shoot at the.
27:53
I like the fact they shot at the crocodile.
27:54
I can't imagine a crocodile being Maybe it was the sound.
27:58
How did I scream night? Yeah.
28:00
Running. When they ask you a question
28:05
about your personal life, you can indeed.
28:07
Have you any of you suddenly that out then?
28:10
Have you ever been seduced with a wet slippery?
28:12
Fish? I'm not a big fan but it's not
28:18
as though. A big wet slippery.
28:23
Fish is never quite done it for almost but you know who knows.
28:26
What happened in the future? You know, you never know.
28:28
Yeah, look at that. What the hell is that?
28:32
Is that the slipper claw? I think that.
28:35
Yeah, yes. Yes, it is.
28:36
Yeah, it's cool. I mean, we don't know what a
28:39
Slither call looks like cookie his penis.
28:40
You never know. Oh, Jesus.
28:44
So he's in for a hell of a week heading into the hills of eyes
28:49
territory now as they're dragged off into the bushes by in
28:54
breast. I mean, you see enough Sliver
28:57
for it to be a truly terrible monster.
28:59
I know. Oh, but here we go.
29:02
I think we're seeing more of it than we've ever seen before due
29:04
to the restoration but the way it sort of shakes and things
29:08
like that they're trying. All right, I mean, it shaking
29:12
hand. Reminds reminds me of my
29:14
alcoholic Uncle. So, you know, that's all I'm
29:17
saying. That's how he carries his glass
29:20
of gin. Does he think his penis at you?
29:25
He hasn't no. But But you know, you never know
29:28
what's gonna come because you've done all the
29:43
establishing stuff. And you saw that little bit, I
29:45
thought that that was just doing a lot of well building and it
29:48
had a few fun set pieces in it as well.
29:50
Yeah, no I think I I feel like this is ramping up now.
29:53
Like I feel like the actions getting more exciting.
29:56
That was Right? A thrill of a Chase through
29:59
London. We got, we got to meet, you got
30:02
to meet a monster, like it was all very exciting.
30:04
We didn't even notice the doctor who wasn't there and self.
30:08
That's the first time I've realized, you know, we're at the
30:10
end of the episode, no, Billy to be seen anywhere.
30:14
I wonder if the Ally will wake in the next episode.
30:18
They often do. Or should we go and watch it?
30:24
Let's shall, let's do it. Okay?
30:28
You have Dylan Reeves to thank for this very brief, excerpt
30:33
from more and O'Brien's. Every step you take a John
30:36
bright novel. Which wound is way into my home
30:39
this year okey-dokey. So he gave her hands back to
30:45
her, placing them carefully by her sides on the bed.
30:48
She took a sharp breath and her questioning gaze made George
30:51
higher still. He longed to express, his ardour
30:55
with smooth Grace like her, but was sure she would find him
30:59
clumsy or Worse. Ridiculous, avoiding her eyes.
31:03
He Unwound her legs from his waist, placing her little soft
31:07
feet. Facing a wall.
31:10
Now placing her little soft feet side by side on the rug, he
31:14
started to remove his clothes turning his back to her to hide
31:17
his wildly tumescent state. To Mithun, shine has made him
31:23
clumsier. His clothes stuck to him at last
31:26
in just his underpants. He sat on the bed, his big hands
31:29
between his thighs. His mother had laid out his
31:32
pajamas on the bed. Oh dear.
31:35
He hesitated she put them on. He dared to steal a look at Mom.
31:38
Marge. She was standing now with her
31:40
back to him at the other side of the bed, she was pulling down on
31:44
the zip of her white satin dress.
31:46
So instead he go into the bed and covered himself with the
31:49
Daisy pattern, do they dressed only in his underpants then
31:54
March turned to face him. She'd like the dress fall slowly
31:57
off her shoulders, her body rows inch by inch from the descending
32:00
cloud of white, George astounded, thought standing by
32:04
me at the altar, she had nothing on under her long, white dress,
32:08
Small feat stepped out of the cloud.
32:10
She looked at him, her smile was uncertain.
32:13
Will you like me? Am I to bold, but she walked
32:17
proudly towards him, just the same.
32:20
He lay still as she got into the bed and she lay beside him
32:23
minutes past George waited, he knew that Marge to was waiting
32:28
as she expected something of him but he was frightened, excited
32:31
shy, fearful of causing her alarm or shame.
32:35
She was so small too. And he was so big at last.
32:41
Certain, she would be crushed under his weight.
32:43
He positioned himself, awkwardly on top of her and the rest, you
32:47
felt bags. I'll leave to your imagination.