Latest / Money And Wealth With John Hope Bryant / What is an Entrepreneur? The Truth About Building Something From Nothing
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Welcome to Money and Wealth with John Hope Bryant, a
- 0:03Speaker 1: production of the Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Hey, hey, hey,
- 0:15Speaker 1: it's John Hope Bryant, and this is the Money and
- 0:17Speaker 1: Wealth Podcast Series, Season 3 on Black Effect Network, on iHeartRadio.
- 0:26Speaker 1: And thank you very much to everyone who for making
- 0:30Speaker 1: this podcast. And this is relevant, really relevant now, saying entrepreneurship,
- 0:37Speaker 1: making this podcast top 75 in the world, every continent
- 0:42Speaker 1: on entrepreneurship and top 200 for business, top 200, 250
- 0:47Speaker 1: for business. Likewise, you are engaged and more good stuff
- 0:52Speaker 1: is coming to you. More good content for me and
- 0:55Speaker 1: us is coming to you. In fact, you're going to
- 0:57Speaker 1: start seeing bonus episodes which means you'll get two episodes
- 1:01Speaker 1: a week here very shortly to enrich your brain, inspire
- 1:06Speaker 1: your spirit, keep you on point, keep you focused on
- 1:10Speaker 1: the future, particularly in these times where things seem, well,
- 1:15Speaker 1: a little rough out here. But rainbows only follow storms, people.
- 1:19Speaker 1: You cannot have a rainbow without a storm first. I
- 1:23Speaker 1: am with you. Tonight, I'm going to unpack something that
- 1:27Speaker 1: people talk about and I'm convinced they don't understand, entrepreneurship.
- 1:34Speaker 1: I have a lot of titles. People call me chairman.
- 1:37Speaker 1: People say I'm a business owner. They say I'm a capitalist.
- 1:42Speaker 1: I say that. They say I'm a financial literacy guy.
- 1:45Speaker 1: They say I'm a housing guy. They say I'm an
- 1:48Speaker 1: advisor to presidents and governments. They say I'm an author.
- 1:54Speaker 1: They say... What? I run nonprofits and then separately I
- 1:58Speaker 1: run for-profits. What else? I mean, you get the gist.
- 2:03Speaker 1: But the reality is I'm an entrepreneur. And when people
- 2:09Speaker 1: throw around that title of entrepreneur as if it's an
- 2:12Speaker 1: interchangeable word, I feel a certain kind of way about it.
- 2:17Speaker 1: Because I know what it takes to be a true entrepreneur.
- 2:21Speaker 1: I have a payroll of 400 employees. several million dollars
- 2:26Speaker 1: every two weeks. I've been making a payroll for 30
- 2:29Speaker 1: plus years, 33 years. I know what it means. An
- 2:33Speaker 1: entrepreneur works 18 hours a day to keep from getting
- 2:37Speaker 1: a job. Okay. So what is an entrepreneur? I want
- 2:42Speaker 1: you to not be mistaken. I want you to be educated.
- 2:45Speaker 1: I don't want you to be afraid of it, but
- 2:46Speaker 1: I want you to know what you're getting into. A
- 2:48Speaker 1: friend of mine just this morning said he was going
- 2:50Speaker 1: to become an entrepreneur. And I cautiously encouraged him, but
- 2:54Speaker 1: wanted him to know what the real path looks like.
- 2:57Speaker 1: And by the way, an entrepreneur is different than a
- 2:59Speaker 1: business owner. I'm going to unpack that. I did another
- 3:02Speaker 1: podcast episode. You can go back where I talk about that. Specifically,
- 3:07Speaker 1: I'm going to rewind it and add it on this episode.
- 3:09Speaker 1: So what is an entrepreneur? The truth about risk, ownership,
- 3:15Speaker 1: and building something from nothing. This should inspire everybody. Even
- 3:20Speaker 1: if you don't want to be an You better be
- 3:22Speaker 1: entrepreneurial today if you want to survive, thrive, and win.
- 3:25Speaker 1: You're running a household, you have to be entrepreneurial. You're
- 3:28Speaker 1: running a nonprofit organization, you have to be entrepreneurial, a
- 3:30Speaker 1: successful one. You're running an innovative small business and being
- 3:36Speaker 1: creative about it. You have to be entrepreneurial even though
- 3:39Speaker 1: you may not be an entrepreneur. And yes, again, there's
- 3:41Speaker 1: a difference between a corporate leader, a business leader, a
- 3:46Speaker 1: business owner, somebody with hustle, a side hustle, gig work.
- 3:52Speaker 1: and an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur is the highest pecking order of
- 3:57Speaker 1: risk taking in many ways. And I'll explain why. So
- 4:01Speaker 1: to get into this, I want you to listen to
- 4:03Speaker 1: something I'm going to put on my social media. I'm
- 4:04Speaker 1: so impressed with what I read or heard today from
- 4:07Speaker 1: Go Kart God. Go Kart God, G-O-K-A-R-T, G-O-D. Well, you'll
- 4:14Speaker 1: hear the story here. I'm going to literally let the,
- 4:16Speaker 1: this entrepreneur does not know I'm featuring him, but I
- 4:19Speaker 1: want you to hear what it's like To be an
- 4:22Speaker 1: entrepreneur who's on fire and excited about something in his
- 4:26Speaker 1: or her life, I want you to listen to the
- 4:29Speaker 1: whole thing, and then I'm going to interact with my
- 4:33Speaker 1: interpretation and go deeper into the explanation about entrepreneurship. I've
- 4:38Speaker 1: never done this on a podcast, but here you go.
- 4:41Speaker 2: This week, we ship seven go-karts out the door, fully tested,
- 4:45Speaker 2: fully tuned, in a crate, on their way to customers.
- 4:48Speaker 2: If you would have told me even just two years
- 4:50Speaker 2: ago that we would be selling $ 11, 000 go-karts and then
- 4:54Speaker 2: producing almost 30 of them a month, I would say
- 4:57Speaker 2: you're fucking insane. We used to try and strive to
- 5:00Speaker 2: hit three to five go-karts in a month. You guys
- 5:02Speaker 2: have to realize that that's crazy. This was an idea
- 5:05Speaker 2: that I had last spring. We brought it to market
- 5:07Speaker 2: very quickly. We were not really ready for production. We
- 5:10Speaker 2: had four employees in April. And now we're creeping up
- 5:15Speaker 2: just past 22 employees, probably getting up to about 30
- 5:18Speaker 2: in the next month. We're going to have probably close
- 5:21Speaker 2: to $ 60, 000 of payroll every month. I really do need
- 5:23Speaker 2: to thank my team for helping me bring this to
- 5:25Speaker 2: life because this is not a simple task. You guys
- 5:28Speaker 2: are going to look at the outside in and you're
- 5:30Speaker 2: not going to understand what it takes. It's literally 2 a.m.
- 5:33Speaker 2: It's 2.18 a.m. I just sent out some invoices. I'm
- 5:37Speaker 2: in the middle of a 3D print for a tool
- 5:40Speaker 2: that's going to help bring efficiency to the shop. And
- 5:43Speaker 2: I'm rendering images for a customer that's looking to buy
- 5:47Speaker 2: four go-karts. I'm not gonna expect you guys to understand
- 5:51Speaker 2: why I do this, but I do need you guys
- 5:52Speaker 2: to respect the fact that this is like everything to me.
- 5:56Speaker 2: I am going to give my whole life to this thing.
- 6:01Speaker 1: And I love it.
- 6:01Speaker 2: And I want to keep pushing for it because I
- 6:03Speaker 2: know we're going to be the number one electric go-kart
- 6:05Speaker 2: seller in the world.
- 6:06Speaker 1: I can promise you that.
- 6:07Speaker 2: Give me like two years. I'm not going to stop.
- 6:10Speaker 2: I've already done 70 hours this week and I'm going
- 6:12Speaker 2: to try and put in another 22 hours before Monday.
- 6:16Speaker 2: This is exciting to me. This is so f * * *
- 6:18Speaker 2: ing cool. Like we've done over a million dollars of revenue.
- 6:22Speaker 2: 1.139 million dollars of revenue this year. I can't thank
- 6:28Speaker 2: you guys enough for the support that you've given Go-Kart
- 6:30Speaker 2: God and my team. You guys are the ones that
- 6:33Speaker 2: are making this possible. You guys are the ones that
- 6:36Speaker 2: are bringing these exciting products to market because I wouldn't
- 6:40Speaker 2: be doing this without you.
- 6:42Speaker 1: I wouldn't. So I.
- 6:45Speaker 2: Just want to thank you guys. I appreciate it. None
- 6:48Speaker 2: of this would have been possible without you.
- 6:50Speaker 1: There you go. And I hope they get some orders,
- 6:54Speaker 1: additional orders because of I'm featuring him on this podcast.
- 6:57Speaker 1: I hope he gets some love. I hope you go
- 6:59Speaker 1: and check out what he's doing. He's almost got a
- 7:00Speaker 1: million followers on his page for the company. And he
- 7:04Speaker 1: just started this last year. This is what happens when
- 7:08Speaker 1: you not only have a good idea, because an idea
- 7:10Speaker 1: alone is not enough, but you've got the hustle and
- 7:14Speaker 1: the passion to see it through. There's so much that
- 7:18Speaker 1: this guy said about, and he is an entrepreneur. I mean,
- 7:22Speaker 1: as he said, he's there at two in the morning.
- 7:25Speaker 1: Business owners aren't typically at their office at two in
- 7:27Speaker 1: the morning. I'm explaining the difference. He said, like, I'm
- 7:31Speaker 1: born for this. Like, I will die for this. Like,
- 7:33Speaker 1: I'm going to give my whole life to this, he said.
- 7:36Speaker 1: I mean, people maybe say raising children, they'll give their
- 7:39Speaker 1: whole life to it or something, but people don't normally
- 7:42Speaker 1: say that. And without knowing it, I said that. Without
- 7:48Speaker 1: knowing it, I said that. As an entrepreneur starting First
- 7:54Speaker 1: Operation Hope, Well, my first ventures, neighborhood candy house, et cetera.
- 7:58Speaker 1: And then, of course, Operation Hope and Brian Group Ventures.
- 8:01Speaker 1: I said that same thing. I'm going to unpack that.
- 8:04Speaker 1: But he said, I'll give my whole life to this.
- 8:06Speaker 1: I'm going to commit to this. Which means he's not
- 8:08Speaker 1: seeing his family, not seeing his kids. He's there at
- 8:09Speaker 1: 2 in the morning. He's doing a payroll. He's doing
- 8:12Speaker 1: business plans. He's doing invoices. He's rendering something on a
- 8:16Speaker 1: 3D machine behind him. He's walking the factory floor when
- 8:19Speaker 1: everybody else is asleep. This is the world of an entrepreneur.
- 8:23Speaker 1: Be careful what you ask for, people. when you dream
- 8:25Speaker 1: about this, you just might get it. But if he hits,
- 8:30Speaker 1: if he continues to kill the game like he is now,
- 8:33Speaker 1: he'll create well-paid employees. He'll pay taxes. He'll help the
- 8:38Speaker 1: city build infrastructure by paying his taxes. He'll help with
- 8:41Speaker 1: the police support, school district support by paying his taxes.
- 8:45Speaker 1: He'll help with sales tax. He'll help all the vendors
- 8:47Speaker 1: who help with parts for his go-kart to be more successful.
- 8:51Speaker 1: He's going to create middle-class workers in his or upper
- 8:55Speaker 1: middle class workers and his employees. He'll create a few millionaires.
- 8:58Speaker 1: As he becomes a multimillionaire, it is my hope in
- 9:00Speaker 1: the next few years when his dream becomes real, he'll
- 9:03Speaker 1: be able to have freedom. All money is his freedom.
- 9:07Speaker 1: He'll create something great. He'll create a brand. He'll create
- 9:11Speaker 1: something that gets replicated across the country and around the
- 9:14Speaker 1: world because copying is the greatest form of flattery in
- 9:18Speaker 1: many cases. Many people have tried to copy me. Very
- 9:21Speaker 1: few have succeeded because they lack the passion. That's a
- 9:23Speaker 1: whole other conversation for another day. And he will also,
- 9:27Speaker 1: in what he's doing, he will help to reset from
- 9:33Speaker 1: a mechanized world of messy and environmentally unfriendly mechanical go-karts.
- 9:40Speaker 1: And I own one, full disclosure, at Atlanta Motorsports Park.
- 9:44Speaker 1: But he'll move that to electric go-karts, which are environmentally sustainable.
- 9:47Speaker 1: I may try to get one of his electric go-karts.
- 9:50Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this now from my garage at the racetrack.
- 9:55Speaker 1: where I have my cars and my carts. So a
- 9:58Speaker 1: lot to unpack there. But the core comment is everybody
- 10:02Speaker 1: participates in capitalism. The question is, what position do you occupy?
- 10:09Speaker 1: So you can sell your human capital to somebody and
- 10:13Speaker 1: receive a check. That's what having a job is. But
- 10:16Speaker 1: you're using your human capital to to receive financial capital
- 10:23Speaker 1: in a risk-adjusted, risk-managed preset environment. Neither is dishonorable. In
- 10:32Speaker 1: other words, writing the check or cashing it, we need both.
- 10:35Speaker 1: In fact, without that, you can't even become a socialist. Why?
- 10:40Speaker 1: Because even if you want to distribute money like a socialist,
- 10:43Speaker 1: you first have to collect it like a capitalist. The government,
- 10:47Speaker 1: you can't even say, I'm going to work for the government.
- 10:48Speaker 1: The government gets their money from tax receipts. Tax receipts
- 10:53Speaker 1: come from paychecks and payrolls and capital gains and other
- 10:57Speaker 1: forms of taxes. That comes from those who write checks
- 11:02Speaker 1: and those who cash checks. By the way, the lie
- 11:05Speaker 1: that wealthy don't pay taxes, which is another podcast I did, 70%
- 11:09Speaker 1: of all taxes in the biggest economy in the world, America,
- 11:12Speaker 1: comes from people like me, people of means, comes from
- 11:16Speaker 1: the wealthy. I know that's not very popular to say,
- 11:18Speaker 1: but it is true. We don't pay, the wealthy don't
- 11:21Speaker 1: pay a lot of income tax, W-2 income, because wealthy
- 11:24Speaker 1: people don't want W-2 income. They want capital gains income,
- 11:28Speaker 1: if you want to call it that. I did 85
- 11:31Speaker 1: South interview and I covered all this in great detail.
- 11:33Speaker 1: So go and watch the 85 South interview if you
- 11:35Speaker 1: want to talk about or hear me talk about and
- 11:37Speaker 1: go deep into taxes and why the wealthy supposedly don't
- 11:41Speaker 1: pay taxes when people say that they're talking about W-2 income,
- 11:46Speaker 1: salaried income, or 1099 income. They're not talking about capital
- 11:50Speaker 1: gains tax, which is when you sell an asset, you
- 11:53Speaker 1: pay a 20% capital gains tax. So we need both
- 11:56Speaker 1: in society. You need those who make the money, produce
- 11:59Speaker 1: the product, create the risk, manage the risk environment, those
- 12:02Speaker 1: who work for those people to help to make that
- 12:04Speaker 1: dream possible. It's called a team. But these are fundamentally
- 12:09Speaker 1: different economic positions. The entrepreneur accepts uncertainty today for the
- 12:14Speaker 1: possibility of disproportionate value tomorrow. Please tell me you're following me.
- 12:20Speaker 1: And one important distinction, entrepreneurship is not synonymous with small
- 12:26Speaker 1: business ownership. Yes, I said it. I want you to
- 12:28Speaker 1: write it down. Entrepreneurship is not synonymous, not synonymous with
- 12:34Speaker 1: small business ownership. By the way, an entrepreneur created this
- 12:40Speaker 1: compressed carbon fiber and gold bracelet that I wear that's
- 12:44Speaker 1: in honor of Africa and the Caribbean, but a business
- 12:48Speaker 1: owner sold it. So see if you can figure that out.
- 12:52Speaker 1: A small business owner can absolutely be an entrepreneur, but
- 12:56Speaker 1: a small business can also essentially be a job that
- 13:00Speaker 1: you own. Entrepreneurship in its fullest form is about creating, organizing, scaling,
- 13:10Speaker 1: and assuming risk around something that did not previously exist
- 13:14Speaker 1: in that form. A key comment I just made there.
- 13:18Speaker 1: So What is, if you own a franchise at McDonald's,
- 13:22Speaker 1: I'm speaking for the McDonald's franchise owners here soon, in
- 13:25Speaker 1: a few weeks, are you an entrepreneur? You're a small
- 13:27Speaker 1: business owner. You own a Burger King franchise. You're a
- 13:32Speaker 1: small business owner. You own a corner store. You're a
- 13:35Speaker 1: small business owner. You own a restaurant, traditional restaurant. You're
- 13:39Speaker 1: a small business owner. You own a nail salon. Fantastic.
- 13:42Speaker 1: You're a small business owner. You own a hair salon
- 13:45Speaker 1: or gas station. Fantastic. You're a small business owner. That's
- 13:48Speaker 1: not entrepreneurship. Great, but it's different. That's a traditional existing
- 13:53Speaker 1: business plan that you are executing on and you get
- 13:56Speaker 1: to go homes, hopefully at a decent hour, right? By
- 14:00Speaker 1: the way, it's the middle of the night now when
- 14:01Speaker 1: I'm recording this podcast. So, so much for a balanced life.
- 14:04Speaker 1: In fact, a successful entrepreneur is balanced, in balance or
- 14:08Speaker 1: in imbalance, balanced person. You're going to be out of
- 14:11Speaker 1: balance somewhere because you've got to give so much of
- 14:14Speaker 1: this in order to take something that didn't exist and
- 14:16Speaker 1: bring it into reality. That's why you've seen me wear
- 14:19Speaker 1: shirts that sometimes say 365, 24 seven. It was offensive
- 14:23Speaker 1: to some of my employees. I'm not saying, well, I'm
- 14:25Speaker 1: not talking about you. I'm talking about me. But I
- 14:27Speaker 1: think I said, basically I said it was seven day
- 14:29Speaker 1: a week, 24 seven situation. And I wasn't talking about them.
- 14:32Speaker 1: I was talking about what it takes for me to
- 14:34Speaker 1: commit to what I'm doing and to make it be
- 14:36Speaker 1: successful at it. And by the way, it's not a
- 14:37Speaker 1: job for me. I enjoy it. It's not even work
- 14:39Speaker 1: for me. I just need to get some rest between
- 14:42Speaker 1: shifts because I really love what I do. It's not work.
- 14:47Speaker 1: I do it for free. So people don't, Know what
- 14:50Speaker 1: I am, really. People ask me what I do. Am
- 14:54Speaker 1: I a businessman? Yes. Am I an author? Yes. Am
- 14:57Speaker 1: I a nonprofit founder? Yes. Am I an investor? Yes.
- 15:01Speaker 1: But none of these really explain what I am. Am
- 15:04Speaker 1: I a capitalist? Yes. Am I a free enterprise guy? Yes.
- 15:06Speaker 1: Am I a private equity guy? Yes. Is my own
- 15:10Speaker 1: private equity invested in things that I tee up mostly
- 15:15Speaker 1: through my own brand and entrepreneurship? I'm in all those businesses.
- 15:19Speaker 1: A few more, banking and a few other things. But
- 15:23Speaker 1: none of these really explain who I am. What I
- 15:27Speaker 1: am is an entrepreneur.
- 15:29Speaker 2: Hello.
- 15:31Speaker 1: And I don't think most people actually understand what that
- 15:33Speaker 1: word means. Instagram has turned entrepreneurship into a lifestyle. Wrong.
- 15:39Speaker 1: The car, the watch, the private plane, the nice house,
- 15:42Speaker 1: the announcement, the slick look, the shopping. That's not entrepreneurship
- 15:47Speaker 1: and that's not even success. Success is going from failure
- 15:49Speaker 1: to failure without loss of enthusiasm. Entrepreneurship, an entrepreneur works
- 15:54Speaker 1: 18 hours a day to keep from getting a job.
- 15:58Speaker 1: Over and around it, through it, you're going to punch
- 16:00Speaker 1: through it. That's not what you're seeing on Instagram. An
- 16:03Speaker 1: entrepreneur is not shopping. Maybe they are occasionally, but they
- 16:08Speaker 1: might be producing what's in the shop. They may be
- 16:10Speaker 1: in their own shop, but a real entrepreneur is not
- 16:12Speaker 1: flossing and shopping. That's not at all what they're doing.
- 16:17Speaker 1: That's not entrepreneurship. That's what somebody thinks entrepreneurship looks like
- 16:22Speaker 1: after it works. Drop the mic. Entrepreneurship is what happens
- 16:29Speaker 1: before anybody knows your name. Often before you even wake
- 16:33Speaker 1: up every day for your traditional life. They've been working
- 16:36Speaker 1: and they're sleeping for a few hours while you're commuting
- 16:39Speaker 1: to work. So let's talk about the years when nobody
- 16:43Speaker 1: believed your idea. I remember that. Nobody guarantees your salary.
- 16:49Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely remember that. That was 90% of
- 16:51Speaker 1: my journey. In fact, I wrote checks to pay everybody
- 16:55Speaker 1: else's paycheck and didn't even think about, I didn't have
- 16:58Speaker 1: a paycheck. I didn't have a payroll back then. I'd
- 17:01Speaker 1: write a check to Rachel Doff, my chief of staff,
- 17:03Speaker 1: on a Friday because enough checks didn't come into the organization.
- 17:07Speaker 1: And I'd write the check for my personal account. Back
- 17:09Speaker 1: then we had CDs, certificates of deposits from the banks.
- 17:12Speaker 1: And I'd break a CD, 25,000 at a time. And
- 17:15Speaker 1: I'd give Rachel a check for $ 25, 000, $ 50, 000, $ 100, 000 out
- 17:19Speaker 1: of my personal account and say if the incoming checks
- 17:24Speaker 1: for the company or the organization don't come in by
- 17:26Speaker 1: Monday morning, deposit my check to cover payroll. And that
- 17:30Speaker 1: did not include payroll for me. In fact, I really
- 17:34Speaker 1: just had a modest rent and a car note. And
- 17:38Speaker 1: it was a used car. And I believe I was
- 17:40Speaker 1: staying in somebody's like a cottage or extra apartment or something.
- 17:44Speaker 1: It definitely didn't have a house or nothing fancy when
- 17:47Speaker 1: I was coming up. So nobody tells you what to
- 17:51Speaker 1: do tomorrow morning. You got to figure that out for yourself.
- 17:55Speaker 1: The bank may say, no, I need to cover the check. Nope.
- 17:58Speaker 1: I need a loan. Nope. I need a line of credit. Nope.
- 18:01Speaker 1: By the way, I never got a big loan coming
- 18:02Speaker 1: up as an entrepreneur, just so you know that. In fact,
- 18:05Speaker 1: I never got a traditional loan until I was uber successful.
- 18:08Speaker 1: I just reinvented, reinvested my so-called profits, my cash flow,
- 18:13Speaker 1: and just kept grinding. So customers may say no. I
- 18:17Speaker 1: take no for vitamins, by the way. Investors may say no.
- 18:20Speaker 1: That definitely happened. Employees still expect to get paid. Hello?
- 18:25Speaker 1: They want a risk-managed environment. Your family still expects you
- 18:29Speaker 1: to come home. That's why a lot of entrepreneurs and
- 18:33Speaker 1: relationships don't mix very well. because it's out of balance.
- 18:36Speaker 1: Your family still expects you to come home and they
- 18:38Speaker 1: want you to be normal. They want you to have
- 18:39Speaker 1: a conversation about normal things. They want to go to
- 18:41Speaker 1: dinner with you. They want to, you know, whatever. They
- 18:43Speaker 1: want you to, you know, fund their lifestyle, whatever the
- 18:46Speaker 1: thing is. And that just may not be possible when
- 18:48Speaker 1: you're out there hustling. And so it creates, you know,
- 18:51Speaker 1: it creates a fair share of drama and people who
- 18:54Speaker 1: are entrepreneurs are often lone wolves. And you got to
- 18:59Speaker 1: be cool with that. And somehow you have to make
- 19:01Speaker 1: the math at the office work. An employee gets paid
- 19:06Speaker 1: for showing up. An entrepreneur gets paid when the ideas work.
- 19:11Speaker 1: Employees are also paid for skill, judgment, and results. But
- 19:15Speaker 1: their compensation is contractually much less exposed to enterprise-level downside. Translation.
- 19:23Speaker 1: Whether the entrepreneur's crazy idea works or not, employees still
- 19:27Speaker 1: get their check. They don't have to worry about it
- 19:29Speaker 1: unless the place goes bust. So, today, I want to
- 19:34Speaker 1: tell you what entrepreneurship actually is. And I'm going to
- 19:38Speaker 1: tell you through the same lens that I lived my
- 19:42Speaker 1: life and built what I did from nothing. Let's start
- 19:46Speaker 1: with where entrepreneur came from. The English word comes from
- 19:51Speaker 1: the French word, reneur. So again, the English word comes
- 19:57Speaker 1: from the French word entrepreneur, built around entrepre, E-N-T-R-E-P-R-E-N-D-R-E, to undertake.
- 20:06Speaker 1: That's what that means. Entreprende. I'm sure my French friends
- 20:11Speaker 1: will correct me, so don't be laughing at me. An
- 20:15Speaker 1: entrepreneur is an undertaker, not a funeral undertaker, okay? An
- 20:20Speaker 1: undertaker in the original sense, somebody who undertakes something. French-Irish
- 20:27Speaker 1: economist Richard Catillon helped give the entrepreneur an economic meaning
- 20:33Speaker 1: in the 18th century, someone operating under uncertainty. buying at
- 20:39Speaker 1: certain prices and selling into an uncertain future. Buying parts
- 20:44Speaker 1: of a thing, creating a thing, and then selling the
- 20:45Speaker 1: thing and hoping for the thing. An entrepreneur jumps out
- 20:49Speaker 1: of the plane and manufactures the parachute on the way down. Later,
- 20:58Speaker 1: Jean-Baptiste emphasized the entrepreneur's role in coordinating resources and moving
- 21:04Speaker 1: them toward more productive uses. By the way, The words
- 21:08Speaker 1: I've used, the names I've mentioned to you so far,
- 21:10Speaker 1: other than the English reference, is French. So entrepreneur came
- 21:15Speaker 1: from France. How did France become so successful? Entrepreneurship and
- 21:19Speaker 1: free enterprise and people who are risk-takers. Some good capitalists,
- 21:22Speaker 1: some not good capitalists. That's a whole other story. Some moral,
- 21:26Speaker 1: some ethical, some not, but that's life. But that's where, okay,
- 21:30Speaker 1: but it came from risk-taking. Today, the worst place probably
- 21:33Speaker 1: to be, with all due respect, is an entrepreneur based
- 21:36Speaker 1: on government structure, and all that stuff, it's probably France.
- 21:39Speaker 1: And that's, I believe, why France has pulled back in
- 21:42Speaker 1: the world economy in the list of top economies. It's
- 21:45Speaker 1: still a beautiful place. I go there to visit, to
- 21:49Speaker 1: look at the museums. It has to be careful not
- 21:51Speaker 1: to become a museum to the past versus a target
- 21:55Speaker 1: point for the future. But you can't fire employees easily
- 22:00Speaker 1: in France. You cannot be entrepreneurial easily in France. It's
- 22:03Speaker 1: a very restrictive place. But that's where the word came from.
- 22:06Speaker 1: So if you go far enough in the North Pole,
- 22:08Speaker 1: You end up south. Then you had Joseph Schumpeter, Schumpeter,
- 22:14Speaker 1: who gave us another powerful conception. The entrepreneur as the
- 22:18Speaker 1: agent of innovation and listen now, creative destruction. Remember where
- 22:23Speaker 1: there used to be, for those older listening to this,
- 22:26Speaker 1: a Kmart booths, film development booths for Kmart on every
- 22:32Speaker 1: open air retail shopping center on a corner in America.
- 22:37Speaker 1: Start nodding your head, 50-year-olds and 60-year-olds and 70-year-olds, right? Well,
- 22:41Speaker 1: that went away. It's destructive and constructive capitalism. Replaced it
- 22:46Speaker 1: was the thing you're looking at right now. Well, it
- 22:49Speaker 1: became a digital phone, which didn't require film processing. And
- 22:54Speaker 1: then you used to drop off your film at this corner,
- 22:58Speaker 1: this little booth, and then come back in a week,
- 23:00Speaker 1: or they'd mail it to you, but you'd come back
- 23:02Speaker 1: in a week and pick it up. And then digital
- 23:04Speaker 1: phones came. And now, of course, so digital cameras came.
- 23:06Speaker 1: And now you have a digital phone that takes pictures.
- 23:09Speaker 1: But that's because you had Sears. Well, Sears had the
- 23:13Speaker 1: original catalogs. I mean, they had everybody's name, rank, and
- 23:16Speaker 1: serial number. They should have been alive forever. But they
- 23:20Speaker 1: stopped being innovative. They stopped hustling. They stopped thinking. They
- 23:22Speaker 1: got comfortable. And Sears got their head handed to them
- 23:26Speaker 1: by Walmart and Amazon. Think about this. Don't trust me.
- 23:30Speaker 1: Blockbuster owned the home entertainment game, owned it, right? Blockbuster
- 23:35Speaker 1: date was everybody's date. Can I get an amen? Now
- 23:39Speaker 1: there's one Blockbuster and it's located in Alaska and it's
- 23:42Speaker 1: symbolic only. They basically got out of business and now
- 23:46Speaker 1: you have Netflix. And if Netflix is not careful, they'll
- 23:49Speaker 1: be taken out by somebody. That's why the smart people
- 23:51Speaker 1: at Netflix are constantly re-imagining their own business plan and game.
- 23:55Speaker 1: I think they're doing a really good job of it.
- 23:57Speaker 1: But by the way, there was a time that Blockbuster
- 23:59Speaker 1: could have bought Netflix for $ 50 million. They turned their
- 24:03Speaker 1: nose up and turned away and said, we're blockbuster. Well,
- 24:06Speaker 1: they're out of breath. They're out of business now. And
- 24:07Speaker 1: there's Circuit City and could, you know, but now you
- 24:10Speaker 1: have Best Buy. You have, think about all this constructive
- 24:12Speaker 1: and destructive, constructive enterprise creation. Things come and things go.
- 24:21Speaker 1: That's just the way it TI is. Let's connect all
- 24:24Speaker 1: three now. So Cantillon, he focused on risk and uncertainty. Say,
- 24:30Speaker 1: focused on organization. Shumbita, focused on innovation. Put those together,
- 24:36Speaker 1: and you've got a pretty good description of my life.
- 24:40Speaker 1: And every organization needs to have a hunter, a skinner,
- 24:43Speaker 1: and a cook. Initially, as an entrepreneur, and you listen
- 24:46Speaker 1: to that audio that I share with you, that young man,
- 24:49Speaker 1: he was a hunter, the skinner, and the cook. And
- 24:51Speaker 1: as you get bigger and more sophisticated, you pass on
- 24:55Speaker 1: parts of that that you don't do well to somebody else.
- 24:57Speaker 1: Of course, I'm a hunter. That's what I do. And
- 25:01Speaker 1: I was the skinner and the cook when I needed
- 25:02Speaker 1: to be. But now I've got a lot of folks
- 25:04Speaker 1: who are skinners and cooks. I'm focusing on hunting. And
- 25:07Speaker 1: most people don't like selling. They don't like closing deals.
- 25:09Speaker 1: They don't like putting themselves at risk. So they should
- 25:11Speaker 1: not be an entrepreneur. An entrepreneur sees something that doesn't
- 25:15Speaker 1: exist and decides that it should. Drop the mic again.
- 25:19Speaker 1: Entrepreneur and small business owner. Let me say clearly that
- 25:26Speaker 1: small business owners are essential to capitalism. to community, to society,
- 25:32Speaker 1: to culture. Essential. Entrepreneurship isn't better. It's a different orientation.
- 25:42Speaker 1: Employee sells human capital for wages, benefits, and relative predictability.
- 25:49Speaker 1: Let's just say it, a safe income. A lot of
- 25:52Speaker 1: people are on social media here today are, I'm leaving
- 25:54Speaker 1: this entrepreneurship thing. I'm going back and get a job.
- 25:56Speaker 1: There you go. And I think kudos. You need more
- 25:59Speaker 1: employees than you need employers. You need more employers than
- 26:03Speaker 1: you need crazy entrepreneurs. But you need entrepreneurs. You need
- 26:07Speaker 1: business owners. You need employers. You need employees. All this
- 26:10Speaker 1: is part of an ecosystem. And when you get it right,
- 26:12Speaker 1: you have stakeholder capitalism, which I talk about in my book,
- 26:15Speaker 1: Capitalism for All, which you should get, by the way.
- 26:17Speaker 1: It's a national bestseller, so thank you for that. And
- 26:21Speaker 1: this is the book, Capitalism for All, national bestseller, last
- 26:24Speaker 1: six months. number one in three categories on Amazon, by
- 26:28Speaker 1: the way. And so you need all these things for
- 26:32Speaker 1: an economy and a culture and a community to thrive.
- 26:35Speaker 1: You never had a world leader that wasn't the economic
- 26:37Speaker 1: leader at the same time. So don't hate on capitalists
- 26:42Speaker 1: and capitalism. Even if you want to distribute money like
- 26:45Speaker 1: a socialist, you first have to collect it like a
- 26:48Speaker 1: capitalist because it's all connected. So an employee sells human
- 26:56Speaker 1: capital for wages, benefits, and relative predictability. Self-employed professional owns
- 27:01Speaker 1: the job. If they stop working, much of the income
- 27:05Speaker 1: stops too. Small business owner owns an operating enterprise that
- 27:11Speaker 1: may provide a durable livelihood, employ others, and build substantial wealth.
- 27:17Speaker 1: Most millionaires are the millionaire next door. They become millionaires
- 27:21Speaker 1: in their 50s, the late 50s, and they're small business owners.
- 27:24Speaker 1: The doctor is a small business owner. The attorney is
- 27:27Speaker 1: a small business owner. The architect is a small business owner. Yeah,
- 27:30Speaker 1: they provide an essential service and maybe even a public
- 27:32Speaker 1: service or a health service or a lifeline service, but
- 27:35Speaker 1: they're also, you're paying them. Hello, you're not doing it
- 27:37Speaker 1: for free. They're small business owners. Can I get an amen,
- 27:41Speaker 1: by the way? Somebody give me some church up in here.
- 27:44Speaker 1: An entrepreneur, this is the crazy person I am, attempts
- 27:47Speaker 1: to create an organization, product, market, platform, or system whose
- 27:53Speaker 1: value can ultimately become larger than the founder's individual labor.
- 27:59Speaker 2: Voila.
- 27:59Speaker 1: I told you you'd make money during the day. It's
- 28:01Speaker 1: my brother, Tony Ressler, quote. He'll be coming on the
- 28:03Speaker 1: podcast soon. I talk about him a lot. He's finally
- 28:05Speaker 1: coming on the podcast. One of the wealthiest men in
- 28:07Speaker 1: the world, up from nothing, and a brilliant guy. And
- 28:10Speaker 1: I'm honored to be working with him on a range
- 28:11Speaker 1: of things now, including Centennial Yards here in Atlanta. This
- 28:14Speaker 1: could be another project that came out of the ground
- 28:17Speaker 1: out of an idea in something called the Gulch. It
- 28:18Speaker 1: was a hole in the ground. And now it's a
- 28:21Speaker 1: $ 6 billion development for which I'm honored to be a
- 28:25Speaker 1: partner and investor and part owner in. We have hotels
- 28:27Speaker 1: and all kinds of things are popping up there, Live
- 28:29Speaker 1: Nation and Phoenix Hotel and all this great stuff that's
- 28:33Speaker 1: there already and more stuff coming. Right across from Mercedes-Benz
- 28:36Speaker 1: Stadium and State Farm Arena, where Tony also owns the
- 28:38Speaker 1: Atlanta Hawks. But none of that existed until it did,
- 28:41Speaker 1: until somebody took an entrepreneurial risk. and the city and
- 28:45Speaker 1: the county decided, yeah, this is a risk we're taking
- 28:47Speaker 1: and we benefit too. And so all boats rise. Now
- 28:49Speaker 1: you're creating employees that didn't exist, contracts that didn't exist,
- 28:52Speaker 1: wealth that didn't exist, opportunities that didn't exist, entertainment and
- 28:56Speaker 1: housing didn't exist, hotel room stays that didn't exist, joy
- 29:01Speaker 1: through concerts that didn't exist. See what I'm saying? Hello.
- 29:03Speaker 1: And then you have other entrepreneurs who sit on our
- 29:05Speaker 1: platform who open their restaurants and they're dreaming on the
- 29:09Speaker 1: platform we created. Okay, I'm getting off on a side note,
- 29:11Speaker 1: but my point is that All these pieces are essential
- 29:18Speaker 1: to the ecosystem that we all live in and we
- 29:20Speaker 1: shouldn't be hating on one. We should just try to,
- 29:22Speaker 1: I mean, a saint is a sinner that got up.
- 29:24Speaker 1: There's no perfect. We should be trying to make good better,
- 29:28Speaker 1: not destroy good because it's not perfect. Don't let the
- 29:32Speaker 1: perfect become the death of the good. So if you
- 29:36Speaker 1: disappear for six months with with the business continue creating value,
- 29:43Speaker 1: these are questions for somebody who calls himself an entrepreneur.
- 29:46Speaker 1: If the answer is no, you may own a very
- 29:49Speaker 1: good job, a self-employment project. If the answer increasingly becomes yes,
- 29:57Speaker 1: You're building an enterprise, and you may be a successful entrepreneur.
- 30:00Speaker 1: See what I'm saying? If you are just doing a
- 30:02Speaker 1: side hustle or your own hustle, it may be entrepreneurial.
- 30:06Speaker 1: It might be creative, but that doesn't make you an entrepreneur.
- 30:10Speaker 1: So let me distinguish income from equity. Again, my brother
- 30:13Speaker 1: Tony Ressler said, you make money during the day, you
- 30:15Speaker 1: build wealth in your sleep. Employees primarily build income. Entrepreneurs
- 30:22Speaker 1: try to build enterprise value. I'm actually... growing my net
- 30:27Speaker 1: worth while I'm sitting here talking to you on this podcast,
- 30:30Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about,
- 30:33Speaker 1: the words I'm using on the podcast. Income pays your bills.
- 30:38Speaker 1: Equity frees your life. Let me tell you very quickly
- 30:42Speaker 1: this story of me, for those who don't know. I'm
- 30:47Speaker 1: going to do this quick because many of you know
- 30:50Speaker 1: my story, but my mother, Juanita Smith, And my father,
- 30:53Speaker 1: Johnny Smith, and by the way, Operation Hope now has
- 30:56Speaker 1: the first ever AI agent called Juanita AI, named after
- 30:59Speaker 1: my mother. Thank you, my team, for doing that. Rachel Doff, Jennifer,
- 31:04Speaker 1: and all the team who put this together, Kevin Boucher,
- 31:07Speaker 1: et cetera, named this for my mother. But Juanita AI
- 31:11Speaker 1: is the first AI agent that is modeled after a
- 31:15Speaker 1: working class, hourly income black woman with three children. in
- 31:21Speaker 1: a single parent household, running a single parent household, first
- 31:23Speaker 1: AI agent in history. And now you can talk to
- 31:26Speaker 1: my mother. This is all entrepreneurial, by the way, we
- 31:28Speaker 1: created it. And no, we're not trying to get paid
- 31:31Speaker 1: for it. No, I'm not making any money on it.
- 31:33Speaker 1: And the intellectual property right, I'm releasing to the world
- 31:35Speaker 1: because anybody can now go and type in one of
- 31:38Speaker 1: the AI. I encourage you to do that now. Go
- 31:41Speaker 1: to my website at Operation Hope, my website at Brian
- 31:43Speaker 1: Group Ventures, type in, go to the Hope and Hand
- 31:46Speaker 1: app or type in one of the AI on your
- 31:49Speaker 1: search device. And then a couple clicks in, you'll see
- 31:53Speaker 1: a picture of my mother, and you can ask her
- 31:55Speaker 1: about me. Ask her about growing up. Ask her about
- 31:59Speaker 1: how she built wealth. Ask her about her challenges. Ask
- 32:03Speaker 1: her how she became a millionaire with a $ 15 to
- 32:05Speaker 1: $ 18 an hour job for 30 years. That's innovation, and
- 32:09Speaker 1: that's entrepreneurship. And this is social entrepreneurship, meaning I'm not
- 32:13Speaker 1: earning any money from this, but it is solving a
- 32:15Speaker 1: problem that is a new problem with a new solution,
- 32:18Speaker 1: and I created it from scratch. You're starting to get it? Anyway,
- 32:21Speaker 1: my mother, Juanita Smith, and my dad, Johnny Smith. My
- 32:23Speaker 1: dad was a business owner, not an entrepreneur. My mother
- 32:25Speaker 1: was an employee. She worked an hourly job. See there?
- 32:30Speaker 1: But through their strength of determination, me and my brother, Donnie,
- 32:36Speaker 1: and my sister, Monty, were able to grow up in
- 32:38Speaker 1: a stable household. And so now I've seen two murders before.
- 32:42Speaker 1: I saw one murder of a guy who saved my life.
- 32:46Speaker 1: It's in my book. And then my best friend was murdered.
- 32:49Speaker 1: I didn't see that, but it happened down the street, George,
- 32:52Speaker 1: when I was nine. And my mom and dad divorced
- 32:55Speaker 1: when I was four or five, something like that. My
- 32:57Speaker 1: sister knows the exact timing. And so my mother goes
- 33:01Speaker 1: and buys a house in Compton, 15502 South Fraley Avenue, Compton, California.
- 33:07Speaker 1: When you own something, when you own a house, you
- 33:10Speaker 1: remember the address. I'm doing a whole podcast on renting
- 33:14Speaker 1: your life, so wait for that one. And I wanted
- 33:19Speaker 1: to get out of the hood. I wanted to escape prison, probation, parole,
- 33:23Speaker 1: and death. So I went to school with this history
- 33:28Speaker 1: of looking around me and seeing all these brilliant people
- 33:29Speaker 1: around me who were not being valued by the free
- 33:32Speaker 1: enterprise system, did not understand capitalism, did not understand financial literacy,
- 33:36Speaker 1: and were getting punked and pimped and taken advantage of
- 33:39Speaker 1: by the system, the environment. And I lived in a
- 33:41Speaker 1: 500-credit score neighborhood, so there was a check casher. payday
- 33:44Speaker 1: loan lender, rental home store, title lender, liquor store, pawn shop.
- 33:49Speaker 1: Started to get it. And I saw nobody getting out.
- 33:52Speaker 1: And what I saw on TV, I saw nobody related
- 33:55Speaker 1: to that. So I go to school and I'm nosy.
- 33:59Speaker 1: A guy gives you two ears and one mouth so
- 34:01Speaker 1: you listen twice as much as you talk. And I
- 34:03Speaker 1: go to school and this banker comes in my classroom.
- 34:07Speaker 1: I may have to do part one and part two
- 34:08Speaker 1: of this podcast as I'm thinking about this. Let's see
- 34:10Speaker 1: how far I get on this entrepreneurship thing. May have
- 34:12Speaker 1: to do a series. And he comes in my classroom,
- 34:15Speaker 1: and he had to come there because the law, the
- 34:17Speaker 1: Community Reinvestment Act law, forced him to come and teach
- 34:21Speaker 1: financial literacy. But I'm so glad it did. And he
- 34:23Speaker 1: didn't want to be there, and we didn't want him there.
- 34:25Speaker 1: And he came once a week for six weeks for
- 34:28Speaker 1: an hour. And the first week, we threw paper planes
- 34:30Speaker 1: at him, and he ignored us. Second week, he came in,
- 34:33Speaker 1: and we paid somewhat attention. And he said, you know,
- 34:35Speaker 1: you kids are not so bad. You sort of remind
- 34:38Speaker 1: me of my own little kids in a way. And
- 34:40Speaker 1: we said, you're not so bad for a white dude.
- 34:43Speaker 1: And even though it sounded a little like a diss,
- 34:45Speaker 1: we were actually giving him a compliment. We're saying, look,
- 34:47Speaker 1: we're comfortable with you. We're glad you're here. And the
- 34:51Speaker 1: third week, everybody else was paying somewhat attention. I was
- 34:54Speaker 1: obsessively paying attention. I just kept raising my hand, raising
- 34:57Speaker 1: my hand. By the third or the fourth week, I'm like, man,
- 34:59Speaker 1: what do you do for a living? And how'd you
- 35:02Speaker 1: get rich legally? He said, I'm a banker and I
- 35:05Speaker 1: finance entrepreneurs. I said, I don't know what an entrepreneur is,
- 35:10Speaker 1: but if it's legal and you're financing it, I'm going
- 35:13Speaker 1: to be one. So I cracked open the dictionary back then.
- 35:18Speaker 1: You call it a Google search today or artificial intelligence search.
- 35:22Speaker 1: And I cracked open the dictionary under the word entrepreneur,
- 35:25Speaker 1: French words. I already told you build something, create something
- 35:27Speaker 1: out of nothing. And I was like, that's what I'm
- 35:29Speaker 1: going to do. And so the, I went back again
- 35:32Speaker 1: the next week, I think, and I had to wear
- 35:34Speaker 1: it by this point of wearing a suit, modeling the
- 35:36Speaker 1: banker in the classroom. Again, you can go in my book,
- 35:38Speaker 1: capitalism for all of financial literacy for all, or one
- 35:41Speaker 1: of my seven books up from nothing and get the
- 35:43Speaker 1: whole backstory or ask my mother and one of the AI,
- 35:46Speaker 1: the backstory of the details of this whole thing. So
- 35:49Speaker 1: we don't waste time on the podcast, but I was
- 35:52Speaker 1: wearing a suit and I had a briefcase and the
- 35:53Speaker 1: whole thing, my dreams were nothing. This is the briefcase
- 35:55Speaker 1: of my dreams. And, uh, I said, uh, so let
- 35:59Speaker 1: me make sure I understand this properly. Your job is
- 36:02Speaker 1: to lend poor people money. Yep. And all I have
- 36:06Speaker 1: to do is I can afford to pay it back. Yep. Okay.
- 36:11Speaker 1: You got this thing that's called a credit, whatever. Yep, credit.
- 36:13Speaker 1: It comes from the Latin root word credito, which means credibility,
- 36:16Speaker 1: by the way. And capitalism comes from the Latin root
- 36:19Speaker 1: word capitas, which means loosely defined knowledge in the head about,
- 36:23Speaker 1: in this case, the capital markets, money, business, free enterprise.
- 36:29Speaker 1: And so I'm like, and if I don't pay you back,
- 36:32Speaker 1: I won't get dead. And he laughed, right? And I'm like,
- 36:37Speaker 1: he's like, well, why would I kill you? I'm like,
- 36:38Speaker 1: because that's what happens in my neighborhood. You don't pay
- 36:40Speaker 1: Pookie and them back. You end up disappearing. They want
- 36:43Speaker 1: their money back. It's not a bank you're going to.
- 36:45Speaker 1: It's going, you know, it's a game that lends money.
- 36:49Speaker 1: And he said, no, I'm not going to kill you.
- 36:50Speaker 1: I'd give you a notice of default. I said, wait
- 36:53Speaker 1: a minute. You're giving me a piece of paper? Sign
- 36:57Speaker 1: me up. And that's how I started my path toward entrepreneurship.
- 37:02Speaker 1: And later on, I realized and I said, so, you know,
- 37:04Speaker 1: how many bankers are there? At that point, it was
- 37:06Speaker 1: literally millions of bankers. Today, still millions of bankers. There's
- 37:10Speaker 1: 10,000 banks back then. There's 4,500 banks now. But Bank
- 37:14Speaker 1: of America alone has 250,000. Bank of America and Wells
- 37:18Speaker 1: Fargo individually have a quarter million employees or more than
- 37:21Speaker 1: this banker, by the way, is from Bank of America.
- 37:22Speaker 1: So thank you, Bank of America, for sending them there.
- 37:25Speaker 1: And I said, their job, basically, is to lend. Everybody's
- 37:30Speaker 1: job is to try to find people like me and
- 37:32Speaker 1: lend money to them on a risk-adjusted basis. Yep. So
- 37:36Speaker 1: if you think about what I'm doing later on in
- 37:38Speaker 1: my life, fast forward almost two decades, founding Operation Hope,
- 37:42Speaker 1: it's really teaching everybody in mass, every class at every stage,
- 37:47Speaker 1: to go from the masses to the classes by teaching
- 37:50Speaker 1: financial literacy, capitalism, how the system works, rebuilding the ladder. Again,
- 37:56Speaker 1: my book, Capitalism for All, so that people can climb
- 37:58Speaker 1: up and escape poverty or frustration or depression or the
- 38:02Speaker 1: trap that they think that they're in and to become free.
- 38:06Speaker 1: in a free enterprise economy. And America is a capitalist democracy,
- 38:10Speaker 1: big C, little d. Am I giving you too much
- 38:13Speaker 1: at one time, people? Let me know on the comments.
- 38:19Speaker 1: So make a long story short, got inspired by him,
- 38:22Speaker 1: go home. I'm seeing now that muffler shops is a
- 38:26Speaker 1: business and nail salon is a business. And I'm seeing
- 38:29Speaker 1: the person inside is now not a nail tech, but
- 38:31Speaker 1: a business owner and all this stuff. And the person
- 38:34Speaker 1: who took care of us when mom was at work,
- 38:37Speaker 1: ran a little nursery business out of their house. That
- 38:40Speaker 1: was a business owner. They weren't doing it for free.
- 38:42Speaker 1: They're being paid by my mother. You see what I'm saying?
- 38:43Speaker 1: All this stuff connects. And I went and saw this
- 38:48Speaker 1: liquor store on the corner, Mac's Liquor Store. Mr. Mac,
- 38:51Speaker 1: this would definitely have to be a multi-series on entrepreneurship.
- 38:55Speaker 1: I apologize in advance, but we'll just call this phase one.
- 38:58Speaker 1: Let me know if you're enjoying this before I do
- 39:00Speaker 1: phase two. I'll probably do this in three or four parts.
- 39:03Speaker 1: And I go in to the brother, a black man,
- 39:08Speaker 1: who ran Mac's Liquor Store, Mr. Mac, 6'2, or taller,
- 39:11Speaker 1: maybe 6'4. And I went in and I said, sir,
- 39:14Speaker 1: you're selling the wrong kind of candy. It was Mac's
- 39:16Speaker 1: Liquor Store on the corner going to my house, but
- 39:19Speaker 1: it was not on the way to school, not a
- 39:20Speaker 1: good location for school. We had a little glass counter
- 39:23Speaker 1: that sold candy. And because there was no competition that
- 39:27Speaker 1: there were no other places that sold candy in that neighborhood,
- 39:30Speaker 1: the best place you can get, the only other place
- 39:32Speaker 1: you can get candy was what was called Thrifty's Drugstore.
- 39:36Speaker 1: Now you call it CVS or something. But Thrifty's Drugstore
- 39:39Speaker 1: was way down the street, also not on the way
- 39:42Speaker 1: to school. But my house was literally on the way
- 39:46Speaker 1: to school. You'd drive down or walk down that street
- 39:50Speaker 1: and you end up at Whaley Junior High School. I
- 39:54Speaker 1: was 10 years old, so I might have still been
- 39:57Speaker 1: at Osagando Elementary School, but my house was on the
- 40:00Speaker 1: way to Whaley Junior High School, where I ultimately went.
- 40:03Speaker 1: That's where the people could afford to buy my stuff
- 40:06Speaker 1: for real, where we're going to school. So he was
- 40:10Speaker 1: on the way to school, and this banker taught me
- 40:12Speaker 1: about location, location, location. It's part of entrepreneurship and business ownership.
- 40:17Speaker 1: You're selling a long kind of candy. go away, little boy,
- 40:19Speaker 1: I've got a college degree, he said. I said, well,
- 40:22Speaker 1: I've got cavities. I'm telling you, you're selling the wrong
- 40:25Speaker 1: kind of candy, right? And so he's like, well, what
- 40:28Speaker 1: do you want? Well, I want to help you. I
- 40:30Speaker 1: didn't realize the word I needed back then was partnership.
- 40:34Speaker 1: I wanted to be your joint venture partner in this business.
- 40:38Speaker 1: I didn't have that language back then. But as I
- 40:41Speaker 1: look at what I do now, I was doing it
- 40:42Speaker 1: my whole life. I was doing it when I was nine,
- 40:44Speaker 1: 10 years old. So I want to help you with this.
- 40:46Speaker 1: I want to, you know, And he interpreted that as
- 40:48Speaker 1: I wanted a job because nobody in my neighborhood asked
- 40:51Speaker 1: to be for equity. They only asked for a paycheck.
- 40:53Speaker 1: They wanted a cash check, not writing. It's too much risk.
- 40:57Speaker 1: They didn't even dream that big. So he said, look,
- 40:59Speaker 1: I'll give you a job. You've got a good gift
- 41:01Speaker 1: for Gab. When you come home from school, I'm going
- 41:04Speaker 1: to let you be at the candy counter, this glass
- 41:08Speaker 1: candy counter, and I want you to sell the candy.
- 41:09Speaker 1: I'm like, no. Huh? Didn't you just ask me to
- 41:12Speaker 1: work with me? No, I don't want to work for you.
- 41:14Speaker 1: I want to work with you. I want to help
- 41:15Speaker 1: you sell the right kind of candy. You also need
- 41:17Speaker 1: to get rid of this stuff. It's the wrong kind
- 41:18Speaker 1: of candy in the wrong location. It's coming to you
- 41:20Speaker 1: because you've got no other choice. He said, look, kid,
- 41:23Speaker 1: I'm going to pay you the highest hourly rate in
- 41:27Speaker 1: the city, in this area. I'm giving you a really
- 41:30Speaker 1: good job after hours, after school. I don't want it. Well,
- 41:33Speaker 1: what do you want? I want to be a box boy.
- 41:37Speaker 1: That's the worst job I got. Why would you want
- 41:39Speaker 1: to be a box boy? And you're going to work
- 41:41Speaker 1: in the cold box back there? Boy, you're pushing inventory up? Yep.
- 41:45Speaker 1: That's where I want. He said, kid, I'm not sure
- 41:47Speaker 1: the school is doing you much of a favor. But sure,
- 41:50Speaker 1: that's what you want. So I got the job. And
- 41:53Speaker 1: after school, I'd show up for work. And I worked
- 41:55Speaker 1: there for a few weeks. And I learned, I was
- 41:59Speaker 1: watching through the cold boxes. I'm pushing, you know, the
- 42:01Speaker 1: guy pushing liquor bottles and water bottles from the back
- 42:06Speaker 1: to the front so you can pull it out the
- 42:07Speaker 1: front of the glass door. That's me. That was me.
- 42:11Speaker 1: And I'm looking across the way at the glass counter
- 42:16Speaker 1: of the candy shop to see who's coming and buying candy,
- 42:18Speaker 1: what they're buying, how many customers he had. And he
- 42:21Speaker 1: really didn't have a lot of customers. Most of his
- 42:23Speaker 1: customers were for liquor. It was a liquor store. But
- 42:25Speaker 1: he had enough that I was impressed that people, and
- 42:28Speaker 1: I recognized these people from the neighborhood. They were walking
- 42:30Speaker 1: way out of their way to buy this candy. Like, hmm,
- 42:33Speaker 1: I could steal those customers. I could entice them, shall
- 42:36Speaker 1: I say, with a better product designed in a new way.
- 42:41Speaker 1: So I would then open up the boxes that came
- 42:43Speaker 1: in from inventories from Smart and Final and Iris Food Store.
- 42:47Speaker 1: So Smart and Final was the, I think the wholesale
- 42:51Speaker 1: part of Iris Food Store and Iris Food Store was
- 42:54Speaker 1: where he wholesale purchased his inventory, all his inventory, by
- 42:59Speaker 1: the way, for this liquor store. And that's another business
- 43:01Speaker 1: that people should think about going into, wholesaling to retailers
- 43:06Speaker 1: in communities. And so I wrote down the name of the, company,
- 43:11Speaker 1: by the way, a Jewish couple who I ultimately met
- 43:14Speaker 1: and I'm thankful to this day, own the store. They
- 43:17Speaker 1: were very helpful to me. I'll get back to, I'll
- 43:19Speaker 1: come to that in a minute. And I wrote down
- 43:21Speaker 1: the name of the store, Iris Food Store and Smart
- 43:23Speaker 1: and Final, little bit of factoid because Pastor Young would
- 43:26Speaker 1: say coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. A little
- 43:29Speaker 1: bit of a factoid. Aries Management that I served on
- 43:32Speaker 1: the board of for, I served on the board of
- 43:35Speaker 1: one of their subsidiaries with Tony Ressler and Michael Arrighetti
- 43:38Speaker 1: about a decade and a half ago. one of the
- 43:41Speaker 1: board reports came through and I noticed one of the
- 43:44Speaker 1: companies that was just purchased was Smart and Final, an
- 43:48Speaker 1: Irish food store. Can't make this up. The company that
- 43:52Speaker 1: gave me a break built that business so large across
- 43:55Speaker 1: the country that they were bought by Wall Street. And
- 43:58Speaker 1: they were to take that liquidity event, that's what it's called,
- 44:00Speaker 1: a liquidity event when you sell a business, and endow
- 44:02Speaker 1: their whole family with generational wealth. And it started in
- 44:05Speaker 1: a neighborhood where I Went to them with a dream.
- 44:08Speaker 1: So I go to open up the box and there's
- 44:10Speaker 1: an inventory list, which I realized was a wholesale rate
- 44:15Speaker 1: of what they cost, what all the inventory I was
- 44:17Speaker 1: looking at in this particular box had candy in it,
- 44:20Speaker 1: what the wholesale rate was for the candy, then what
- 44:22Speaker 1: the recommended retail rate was. You could sell it for
- 44:26Speaker 1: more if you wanted to, but they'd already scientifically evaluated
- 44:29Speaker 1: how much it would sell for to the average kid
- 44:33Speaker 1: buying candy. And so that's why it's a traditional business,
- 44:37Speaker 1: by the way, because the work's already done. That's again,
- 44:39Speaker 1: going back to that business versus entrepreneurship thing. So I
- 44:42Speaker 1: pull out the inventory list. There were no copy or
- 44:44Speaker 1: machines back then. There were nothing that you take a
- 44:46Speaker 1: picture of. I pull out the inventory list and I
- 44:49Speaker 1: memorize it and I see the wholesale rate, the retail rate,
- 44:52Speaker 1: and I see the difference is profit. And I remember
- 44:54Speaker 1: that's what the banker told me about in the classroom. Ah,
- 44:56Speaker 1: that's how you get rich, right? That's it. I want that.
- 45:02Speaker 1: So I quit. Quit the job a few weeks in.
- 45:07Speaker 1: Owner thought I was crazy. I go home, tell my
- 45:09Speaker 1: mother this fanciful story. I want you to back me
- 45:12Speaker 1: in a business. I want to open it in our den.
- 45:14Speaker 1: I want to call the neighborhood candy house, and I
- 45:17Speaker 1: need 40 bucks from you. That's the budget I did
- 45:19Speaker 1: based on what the banker taught me in financial literacy
- 45:21Speaker 1: course in the classroom. She said, well, it sounds very interesting,
- 45:24Speaker 1: and I'm very impressed with this, but I'm not giving
- 45:25Speaker 1: you anything. No one gives anybody anything. You got to
- 45:28Speaker 1: work for it. You got to pay it back also,
- 45:31Speaker 1: so I'll loan you $ 40 under terms. Okay. And where
- 45:35Speaker 1: is this place you need to get the inventory from?
- 45:36Speaker 1: She wouldn't let me go by myself. My mother was gangster.
- 45:39Speaker 1: Juanita Smith, gangster. When she got laid off at McDonald's aircraft,
- 45:43Speaker 1: because they were in between contracts, they were airplane manufacturers.
- 45:47Speaker 1: And she manufactured, fabricated the seats in the airplane. So
- 45:51Speaker 1: with all the flying I do now, I recall often
- 45:54Speaker 1: these might be seats, some of the older planes that
- 45:56Speaker 1: she actually made. And when she was laid off between contracts,
- 46:00Speaker 1: when there were no contracts, the mill built planes. She
- 46:03Speaker 1: didn't go on welfare. I'll repeat, she did not go
- 46:06Speaker 1: on welfare. She came to my school, and that one
- 46:09Speaker 1: is my elementary school, and said, what jobs do you
- 46:11Speaker 1: have available? She wanted to be around her child. She
- 46:14Speaker 1: wanted to observe me, which was irritating. But this is
- 46:18Speaker 1: what parents, good parents do. Love is work. Non-love is laziness.
- 46:22Speaker 1: Anti-love is evil. Evil exists, but it's very rare. Most
- 46:25Speaker 1: people are just lazy, intellectually, spiritually, emotionally lazy. They don't
- 46:28Speaker 1: want to do the work. They want somebody to do
- 46:29Speaker 1: it for them. My mother showed up and showed out.
- 46:32Speaker 1: She said, what jobs are available? We have a janitor's
- 46:34Speaker 1: job available. I'll take it. So I'm walking through the halls.
- 46:37Speaker 1: Here's my mother, the janitor. Dang. Right? And as now
- 46:42Speaker 1: I recall, it was elementary school because I wore that
- 46:45Speaker 1: suit to elementary school and got beat up. I also
- 46:47Speaker 1: wore it to junior high. It's a whole other thing.
- 46:49Speaker 1: Because I got jacked at junior high school because they
- 46:52Speaker 1: thought I had some money. But who else would wear
- 46:54Speaker 1: these stupid suits like this? And yes, you had some money.
- 46:57Speaker 1: But in elementary school, I wore this purple crushed velvet
- 47:01Speaker 1: three-piece suit with a ruffle shirt and a big bow tie.
- 47:04Speaker 1: There's a reproduction of it in my office, by the way,
- 47:07Speaker 1: because that was a suit my mother made for me
- 47:08Speaker 1: for church. She's like, I'm not buying you a suit.
- 47:11Speaker 1: I wanted to wear a suit to school to model
- 47:14Speaker 1: what the banker looked like. You can wear your Sunday suit.
- 47:17Speaker 1: I got beat up every day. That's why I believe
- 47:19Speaker 1: that eagles don't fly in packs. You've never seen a
- 47:21Speaker 1: flock of eagles, right? Because I was forced to be
- 47:25Speaker 1: an eagle, to be an individual because I had no friends.
- 47:27Speaker 1: I was not cool. And I got to wear a
- 47:30Speaker 1: stupid suit And a briefcase with my dreams in it
- 47:32Speaker 1: where I saw mail order shoes for Stacey Adams and
- 47:36Speaker 1: all kinds of things in my briefcase. This was before
- 47:38Speaker 1: the neighborhood candy house thing. So I was always enterprising.
- 47:41Speaker 1: So anyway, my mother's a janitor. I'd see her go
- 47:44Speaker 1: into class. Embarrassing. Hey, there's my mom and a janitor. Right?
- 47:49Speaker 1: And then she'd go back to work at McDonald's. She'd
- 47:52Speaker 1: get laid off again. She comes back. What job do
- 47:54Speaker 1: you have available? Wait, oh, we have a security guard.
- 47:56Speaker 1: So there's mom's security guard. Oh, dang. But mom raised
- 48:00Speaker 1: us well. So thank you, mom. So I go to
- 48:06Speaker 1: Iris Food Store in Smart and Final with my mother.
- 48:08Speaker 1: And we meet the owners. And I'm going to try
- 48:11Speaker 1: to see if these owners are still around, their family.
- 48:13Speaker 1: I'm going to track them down so I can say
- 48:15Speaker 1: thank you. And they agreed to sell me candy at
- 48:18Speaker 1: wholesale rates. They shouldn't have done this. I didn't have
- 48:20Speaker 1: a business permit. They didn't ask me. They just assumed
- 48:22Speaker 1: it was a school project. Thank you very much. And
- 48:25Speaker 1: they gave me some racks for free to put the
- 48:27Speaker 1: candy on. So I go back to my house, 1502
- 48:31Speaker 1: South Fraley, Compton, California. And it was on the way
- 48:34Speaker 1: to school. And you can Google search the location today.
- 48:37Speaker 1: Modest house. And in the den, it looks basically the same.
- 48:40Speaker 1: It just looks smaller. It's interesting when you grow up
- 48:42Speaker 1: in a house. It's huge. But you go back to
- 48:45Speaker 1: that house as an adult, you go, my God, it's
- 48:46Speaker 1: just minuscule. So in the den, I set up my
- 48:50Speaker 1: candy racks and I advertised to my friends. I ate
- 48:54Speaker 1: through half the inventory. I don't really like candy like
- 48:57Speaker 1: that to this day. I'll eat it every now and then,
- 48:59Speaker 1: but I don't have bad teeth because I didn't eat
- 49:01Speaker 1: bad candy beyond that first time. And then I sold
- 49:04Speaker 1: the other half of the candy and still made a profit.
- 49:06Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. I
- 49:09Speaker 1: ate through half the inventory and I'm still doing well.
- 49:12Speaker 1: What would happen if I was disciplined, right? So I
- 49:15Speaker 1: went back, got another set of inventory, did not eat
- 49:19Speaker 1: my own product. this time, and made $ 300 a week
- 49:23Speaker 1: on a $ 40 investment and put the liquor store out
- 49:27Speaker 1: of the candy business in a matter of weeks. Boom.
- 49:31Speaker 1: Imagine what happened to my self-esteem. Imagine what happened to
- 49:34Speaker 1: my confidence. Imagine what happened to my belief in myself.
- 49:39Speaker 1: Imagine what happened to my belief in markets. Imagine what
- 49:42Speaker 1: happened to my understanding of financial literacy, which became operational
- 49:45Speaker 1: in this. Imagine what happened to my sense of dreaming.
- 49:48Speaker 1: Imagine what happened to my nature, my character, my confidence
- 49:56Speaker 1: rooted in something that was real. You couldn't stop me.
- 49:59Speaker 1: I was unstoppable from that moment forward. Reminds me of
- 50:07Speaker 1: a quick story. My friend Mike Maples Jr. is a
- 50:10Speaker 1: venture capitalist in Silicon Valley. And his father worked for Microsoft,
- 50:16Speaker 1: was president of a division under Bill Gates at Microsoft.
- 50:19Speaker 1: So I'm talking to Mike Maples one day. I said, Mike,
- 50:21Speaker 1: tell me your backstory, man. Nobody just ends up here
- 50:24Speaker 1: where you are. And he said, oh, my dad worked
- 50:26Speaker 1: for Microsoft. And I had a little, you know, you
- 50:29Speaker 1: tell me, I remember your business, John. I had a
- 50:31Speaker 1: little business when I was 12 years old. And I
- 50:34Speaker 1: think he said he was It had something to do with,
- 50:36Speaker 1: you know, paper route or something. I forget what the
- 50:38Speaker 1: business was, but let's just say it was some kind
- 50:41Speaker 1: of a paper route business. And he said his dad was,
- 50:49Speaker 1: you know, he worked for Microsoft. And I said, he
- 50:52Speaker 1: worked for Bill Gates. That's the way everybody works for
- 50:53Speaker 1: Bill Gates. What does he do? Finally, he said he's
- 50:55Speaker 1: president of a division, of the product services division at Microsoft.
- 50:59Speaker 1: So like he really did work for Bill Gates. So
- 51:02Speaker 1: there was a certain kind of character of a guy. Okay,
- 51:04Speaker 1: hold that. for a moment. He built wealth and the
- 51:06Speaker 1: whole thing. So Mike Maples Jr. starts his business, and
- 51:10Speaker 1: he comes, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, I'm so excited. I built
- 51:13Speaker 1: this business, and I'm going to sell it to Disney. Now,
- 51:16Speaker 1: why would Disney buy a paper route? Who knows? But anyway,
- 51:19Speaker 1: Dad says, I'm ashamed of you. Huh? Now, I think
- 51:22Speaker 1: about any kid that we've got in our neighborhoods, these
- 51:25Speaker 1: underserved neighborhoods, if a kid walks up to us and
- 51:28Speaker 1: says they're going to start a business, we'd be excited,
- 51:30Speaker 1: let alone going to sell the business. We'd be thrilled
- 51:34Speaker 1: if they were able to do it. This father was
- 51:37Speaker 1: the opposite. He said, I'm ashamed of you. That's right.
- 51:42Speaker 1: We don't raise children like this in our household. In
- 51:46Speaker 1: this household, we don't raise you to build a business
- 51:50Speaker 1: and sell that business to Disney. We raise you to
- 51:54Speaker 1: build a business and to use that business to buy Disney. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
- 52:04Speaker 1: Blew my brain. My God, this guy, talking about thinking big.
- 52:08Speaker 1: So what does Mike Maples do? Expands his territory, his
- 52:11Speaker 1: sense of dreaming. What is Mike Maples today? One of
- 52:14Speaker 1: the top 10 venture capitalists in Silicon Valley investing in
- 52:18Speaker 1: big businesses, buying them. We model what we see. So
- 52:23Speaker 1: here's what I normally discovered as a young entrepreneur in
- 52:25Speaker 1: this part one of Entrepreneurship Podcast. I uncovered demand, inventory, pricing,
- 52:33Speaker 1: profit margins, customer service, management, cashflow, reinvestment. Nobody called it capitalism.
- 52:43Speaker 1: Nobody called it entrepreneurship. I was just trying to figure
- 52:47Speaker 1: something out. So this is my first major lesson. Entrepreneurship
- 52:51Speaker 1: starts with observation. The entrepreneur sees a problem in efficiency,
- 52:57Speaker 1: like that Max liquor store, a desire or opportunity that
- 53:00Speaker 1: everyone else walks past, they miss. But an entrepreneur works
- 53:06Speaker 1: 18 hours a day to keep from getting a job.
- 53:08Speaker 1: An entrepreneur understands that God gave you two ears and
- 53:11Speaker 1: one mouth. You listen twice as much as you talk.
- 53:13Speaker 1: And to quote my dearly departed friend and mentor and brother,
- 53:17Speaker 1: Quincy Jones, Quincy, how'd you get so smart? Answer, I'm
- 53:22Speaker 1: just nosy as hell. I want to know everything about everything.
- 53:27Speaker 1: And Quincy Jones was not just a music promoter, music producer,
- 53:31Speaker 1: music writer, because Quincy Jones told me, if you think
- 53:33Speaker 1: you're in the music business, And you don't want music rights,
- 53:35Speaker 1: licensing rights, or some kind of intellectual property rights. You're
- 53:39Speaker 1: not in the music business. You're just a temporary performer.
- 53:42Speaker 1: So Quincy Jones, amongst everything else, was an impresario, and
- 53:48Speaker 1: he was an entrepreneur. He created something from nothing, a
- 53:52Speaker 1: man of many titles and jobs. I am honored to
- 53:58Speaker 1: say I knew this man. And hopefully his life inspires you,
- 54:02Speaker 1: and hopefully this story has inspired you and we're at
- 54:04Speaker 1: about the hour mark. So I'm going to stop here,
- 54:06Speaker 1: but give me some notes on social media, wherever you
- 54:09Speaker 1: see clip out to this, that you want to see
- 54:11Speaker 1: part two and part three. I certainly can break this
- 54:14Speaker 1: down for you and do that, but I only want
- 54:16Speaker 1: to give you what benefits you. So in the midst
- 54:18Speaker 1: of me having guests coming through, whatever, let me, you
- 54:20Speaker 1: want me to just be a multi-part series. I will
- 54:22Speaker 1: break this out and promise you to give you all
- 54:25Speaker 1: four series are all multi, probably four parts of this,
- 54:28Speaker 1: this year in coming weeks. This is John O'Brien on entrepreneurship,
- 54:33Speaker 1: what it is, what it isn't, and why it's magical
- 54:36Speaker 1: and how it's changed my life and how it can
- 54:38Speaker 1: change yours, whether you are one or you work for
- 54:41Speaker 1: one or you encourage one or you root for one
- 54:44Speaker 1: or you want to inspire one by giving birth to one,
- 54:50Speaker 1: as my mother and father did for me. I hope
- 54:53Speaker 1: this does something for you. I hope it advances you.
- 54:55Speaker 1: I hope it inspires you to understand that you have
- 54:58Speaker 1: a place in this world, you have agency, and you
- 54:59Speaker 1: can become anything you want to be because I did
- 55:01Speaker 1: it from scratch. This is John O'Brien. By the way,
- 55:05Speaker 1: this podcast is another creation that didn't exist, but this
- 55:08Speaker 1: was created actually by my brother and friend, Charlemagne Nygaard,
- 55:11Speaker 1: who is known to be a personality on radio. He
- 55:14Speaker 1: really is a businessman and in many ways an entrepreneur
- 55:17Speaker 1: because he creates things from scratch, including this podcast network,
- 55:20Speaker 1: Black Effect Network, which is one of the most powerful
- 55:24Speaker 1: in the world. He also has an imprint for books,
- 55:26Speaker 1: and I'm going to bring him on the podcast at
- 55:28Speaker 1: some point. And I'm honored to not only have a
- 55:30Speaker 1: podcast on his platform, I serve on his board of
- 55:32Speaker 1: directors at Black Effect Network, and I'm a modest owner
- 55:35Speaker 1: in what he's done. But this is all his. He
- 55:37Speaker 1: owns the whole thing, this little tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny.
- 55:41Speaker 1: But that's because I wanted a piece of his dream,
- 55:45Speaker 1: because I knew he'd go and change the whole game,
- 55:48Speaker 1: which he has and continues to do. John O'Brient, Money
- 55:52Speaker 1: and Wealth podcast, a new episode on entrepreneurship on iHeartRadio.
- 55:57Speaker 1: Let's go be the change we want to see in
- 55:59Speaker 1: the world. I'll see you in the next episode. Let
- 56:02Speaker 1: me know what you think. Money and Wealth with John
- 56:06Speaker 1: O'Brien is a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network.
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