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Caitlyn Clark, Paying Student Athletes, and Crisppi's Chicken Drama · Let's Talk with Carl Lee

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tag to die this day line, don't tell you gotta work. Let the
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conversation begin. This is Let's Talk with your host, Carl Lee. Hello,
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ladies and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee and this is Let's Talk with
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Carl Lee. And I have my co host here with me, and we've
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been talking a little bit off air even before we got on. And because
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the subject matter today is is kind of interesting to me. The female basketball
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game has drawn an amazing amount of viewership, Like people are like crazy over
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the women's I And to be honest, Hollis, I don't even know if
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I've heard anybody talking about the men's game. Yeah, it's it's clearly the
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women's game. And it's I can't I mean, I don't even know how
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you can you can judge the the advancement or how quick the advancement. And
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maybe maybe it's not quick. Maybe some people say, oh it's taking a
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long time, but I'm gonna say within the last four years, yeah,
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I mean it's taken off. Yeah, definitely, And I think what's happening,
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like if you like, because I can remember watching like Tennessee with Pat
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Summit and you know, the great Connecticut teams and everything like that, and
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I think what's happened is that you have the absolute best players on court now
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as opposed to the men's game, as opposed to a lot of other college
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athletics. Not only do you have the best players on the court, but
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there's also a continuity, right because those same players have been at those universities
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for two and three and four years. So I think when you have those
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two situations happening. In addition, and what we've talked about prior to the
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show is that these are athletes with actual personalities. I just think sports not
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just at college. I'm talking about profession professional. It's like the Russell Russell
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and I love Russell Wilson. I think it's gonna be greater stillers, but
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it's like the Russell Wilson lization. I don't even know if I'm saying that,
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right of like just athletes where everybody's just this robot. You know,
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you're talking points and it's just no personality left in sports. And I think
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that the women's game particularly women's basketball. College basketball has brought personsonality back to
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sports. L s U and I wor Yeah, I think And again,
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you're gonna know more about this than I probably do. But though those two
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teams playing each other, because of the two individual players on those teams,
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has created a must see TV and and and there's even the conversation about talking,
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you know, talking trash, whether or not you know, is that
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okay? Is that okay? Well, let me ask you because we're from
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two different generations, So how do you view that? I like it?
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Okay, you know, I actually like for for myself, I'm not gonna
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sit out and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be out there and I'm not
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gonna talk a lot of smack because the reality for what I was doing,
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I could end up being on the bank outside of that. Basketball kind of
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gives you a little bit more of a flexibility, so it's a little bit
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easier to do. That's a good point. That's a good point. You
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can because you can score three. Yeah, you can come back and score
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three, So we can. That makes so you know, football, you
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can, you can. You can die on the end of that trans tal
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you know, so I like it simply because of the fact that we don't
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see the We're we're trying to look at these women basketball, these women athletes,
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and we want the we want them to be like nice and kind and
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hug each other after the game. No, they're putting their entire life on
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the line in these games. I mean they put everything. Yeah, good
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point. They're putting everything that they have into these games. They don't want
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to lose. And I'm just like, man, I'm telling you, I
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just I hate where sports have gone. It's just becomes so corporatized. When
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you look at like professional sports, I mean, it's just it's almost devoid
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of passion. And then you have somebody like maybe like a Draymond Green,
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who's ww he takes away too far. It's just kind of he's on that
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outther end. He doesn't he does way too much. But just like far
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as the trash talking far as you know, these women, clearly Kaylin Clark
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and Andrewies, I'm sure they're they're not necessarily enemies per se, but they
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ain't buddies. They're not hanging out. What remakes it good? Right,
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she said? Reset She was like, Hey, we're we're We're fine off
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the court, yeah, but I'm gonna talk trash to anybody on the on
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the court when we're playing. We need that in sports, and I just
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feel like they brought it back because I mean, if you look around,
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you know, you may have like the Kelsey brothers in football, you made
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like I said, Draymond Green, you could say, but outside of that,
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and you talk about professional baseball, there's just nothing there. It's just
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we're just watching the games. I mean, college basketball has literally almost no
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personality right now. Right you know, there's great athletes, great basketball,
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great football, whatever, but it's just like, I just love where women's
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sports is going well, and they're going where I think men's sports where it
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was at one point and it got what happened, I think it went too
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far on the men's side, and so it's been it's it's been chopped down
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and you know, this is a penalty, this is get you kicked out
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of the game. And and and I'm not I'm not a I get that,
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but man, the women's game. I mean because even just like you
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know, we talk about the players, and you can say, I mean,
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obviously we're talking about arew Reeson in Clark. But there's players you know,
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from Stanford, from from USC all overs that have these same sort of
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traces as far as personality is concerned. But also the coaches, right,
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we got Kim Molki, you got Don Stanley, you got uh Oriama,
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you got coaches who have personalities too, and they're showing them, and they're
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showing, they're showing them, and and I don't see why there's any reason
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that we should be anti that. Definitely, you know, I think we
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ought to be promoting that because they're not doing anything to me. Okay,
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in my mind, they're not doing anything to hurt women's collegiate basketball. Now,
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the interesting things and I don't watch professional basketball on the women's side w
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n b A, I don't really, I don't really watch it. The
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interesting component, though, is knowing these collegiate athletes that are gonna go the
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part. You know, now all of a sudden, what's happened, is
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you gonna get You're gonna get my attention in the w n b A to
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where any of these girls and literally every team has at least two or three
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that easily could go to the WNBA and start right out the shoot. And
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that's what I'm and it's funny you said that, because that's what I was
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thinking this past week because I've lived literally this whole tournament. I've watched a
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bunch of gang as far as on the women's side, I mean I watched
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a lot. There's not too many I've missed. And what I said to
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myself, I'm gonna start watching WNBA ball because I got to see what this
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is about. I have to see if this is transferable, like far as
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the excitement that can be garnered, because even the WNBA, like the season
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is not as long. So maybe that kid, that excitement that we're seeing
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now can be transferred to the professional level. And when you start talking about
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the shooting capability, yeah, of some of these females, Yeah, I
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mean Kaitlin is like literally stepping across half court. Yeah, and just shooting
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a normal shot and and nothing but that. And and I like you said
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that, because that's what my other point was going to be, Like,
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not only are we talking about like the personalities and and and the showmen,
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they got a game. And what I love too is like, you know,
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all the guard play, but the big woman play. You know,
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you got the big girl from uh U c l A from South Carolina.
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Angel reaesed. I mean they playing the paint back to the basket. The
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game is just to me, it's almost a little bit more fluid, if
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that makes sense. It's it's more I don't know if I want to you
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use fluid. I'm like, I'm I'm thinking it's more exciting. It's more
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exciting simply because and I don't want to say it the wrong way, Like
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I don't I've not seen a female or females being able to play ball as
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well, not as like the skill set, but the skill set having this
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skill dribbling, passing, Like it's not like they lock any skill set offense,
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defense, there's there's like they don't lock any of that and what and
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again, just bringing it back to a conversation, I know nobody wants to
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hear from us, but just even when we talk about transferrent, I think
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this is maybe a case study in how that continuity is better for the game
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as opposed to all the movement, because like when you look at a Yukon,
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like on the men's side, they essentially have a new team that they
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didn't have last year. I mean they don't have like just that continuity where
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you have that player who's going to be there for two and three years that
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we all know and we can get and we can get to know right now,
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and and and everybody knows. Everybody likes to know all their players on
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their team, you know, especially in those starters, they want to be
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the name of them all off well, Unfortunately, when you don't have that,
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And again, and I've been asking the question about what is that culture?
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What is that thing about culture? You know, how does that actually
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exist? How do you create it? To your point, when you got
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five players who played together for three years at least and they know every single
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piece about what you do, how we do it, that's chemistry. That's
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chemistry, that's continuity. That gives it a flow to the game. So
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when you have players coming in and out far just on the court, lineup
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changes, you almost don't miss a beat. I was watching the game this
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weekend in LSU had freshmen out there just balling, you know what I mean.
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And that's the other thing. When you come out on the court as
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a freshman, you ain't supposed to you ain't supposed to just blend in like
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ain't nothing. You're supposed to be the weak link, you know what I'm
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saying. But these girls are able to transition in there and they know what
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to expect. These passes that they're getting, break into the basket, through
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the legs, behind the back, all that kind of stuff. You have
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to be able to anticipate that that pass could come. If I've got the
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ball, you ain't got to worry about that pass. Company that ain't happening.
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But you talked about Kaitlyn. She got the ball, may you know
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much better pass it than what I thought she was. She's actually that's where
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I think she's gonna shine at the professional level. I mean, she can
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shoot the shot and all that, but I think it's a facilitator. She's
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going to be like that. I think my thing is with that is I
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think she's the best overall player because she does everything like she ain't just going
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out there to score. I'm not saying the top players are all just out
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there trying to score. They're playing d and they're blocking shots, they're doing
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all these kind of stuff getting the rebounds. But I don't know if anybody.
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I mean, she's breaking she's she's looking at breaking the assist record,
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all these kinds of things, and that speaks to me. That speaks more
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volumes, more volume to me. Then you just scorn. And even if
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your team, I'm gonna make the case, even if your ten team wins,
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this player is doing everything possible that they can do, you know.
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Now back to the conversation. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're backing
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to take a quick break earlier in the show than we normally do. And
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and in that break, we've got ourselves that a new guest. He's not
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actually new to the show, he's been on the show before, but he's
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back. Deliicet Hornbuckle is in the building, and what's going on? Man?
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How you doing? I'm doing? How you doing? I'm just I'm
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just hanging out. Be careful with the coach. You gotta be careful what
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the coach I'm doing? Good Man, We've been talking. We we started
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the show out talking about women's basketball, the advancement of it, and obviously
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our and l s U plays the night and we all know, I mean,
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and that's that's the other crazy thing. Everybody knows. Everybody knows what's
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happening in this game. They know the folks in this game. And we
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were just trying to talk about just how advanced these players are. I mean,
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there is good they're They're shooting is as good as the men, because
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pound for pound it is probably better because that was you know, women's basketball.
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It's crazy how it's evolved because they have always been, for the most
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part, more fundamentally sound, and so some of that skill work was always
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there to overcome when the game wasn't as athletically advanced. So when you talk
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about things like shooting, and I would say, uh, you know,
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I'm a kind of sewer consistently boxing out those types of things they do that
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now you know, the majority of women have really again have evolved from an
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athletic standpoint to where you know, you can't tell too much difference between a
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men's and a women's game. So it's been really fun to just watch.
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When I was talking, when I'm looking at it for as far as the
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collegiate level, what do you think contributed to that? Because I said,
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I think there's a continuity as a consistency where you have players actually staying for
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a period of time. But outside of that, and you are a basketball
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coach, coach of au travel ball, what else are you seeing from that
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perspective. I think it has been years of extraordinary personalities within the women's game
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that shine more of a spotlight on it and gave more young ladies sort of
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the wherewithal and the confidence to go out and do those things. And I
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think it's just been a byproduct of years after years of seeing someone that you
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can really truly emulate yourself after and just putting more work and becoming again just
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more athletically aggressive. I like that and they take I know when I played
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basketball and I was just a defensive guy. I really wasn't to score.
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The coach didn't want me to shoot. But there was the reality of the
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idea of just being just winning, right, But you wanted to score.
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Everybody wanted to score. I think like these women in this game, in
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this day and age, that ain't all of it. They realize that they're
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scoring forty. Yeah, but they are also fifteen to six, three steals,
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five steals, eight steals. You know what I'm saying. They liked
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the whole concept of the whole game. I like that the one girl from
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South Carolina, and her name escaped me of Swatkins, was it was calling
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the squad walkings, Yeah, from South Carolina, from USC from southern Carroll
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County. No, I'm talking about us Walkings from South Carolina. She's defense.
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She had like four or five blocks and steals and to your point,
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she was just doing it all and and okay. So and if you try
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to translate that into a player, and you know, you know, you
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could look at maybe a Dennis Rodman who's playing d getting rebounds, diving on
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the floor, that might and think about how special he was because of that.
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And you got girls doing that like like it ain't nothing yeah, for
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sure, you know, and it's just and it's just crazy. How do
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we how do we think? Like when you when you think about the evolution
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of the girl's game, I think, to me, I think it's quick,
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like I think it was like overnight. Yeah, it just seemed like
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an overnight. And and did we miss some girls? I know there was
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some individual girls that were good. But is this group, is this particular
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group now the new face and the definition of women's basketball, I mean,
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personally, I don't think so. I think and again this is ain't it's
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not to hate, but I think far as just and I'm just talking specifically
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college athletics. The men's game to me is so it's almost unwatched. It's
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not really good. It's not a it's not a good product on court.
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And I think because of that, we just started our tension got diverted to
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the women's game. Because women's of the women's games, they always balled,
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you know, like I said, even going back to past something and all
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them, so it's always been good. I just think our attention is there
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now that's just min But it's because of this group. I don't I don't
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think so, I don't know I mean, I think the attention is there
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partly because of the robust personalities that that that that part of it was not
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there. And I think it's good for the game. I think it's good
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for just general equity in society that you know, they are no different than
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us other than their their woman. Uh. And so I think all good
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things come from it. Uh. And it's been very exciting to watch that.
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We we hit we hit on that a little bit too earlier about the
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trash talking, that was something that was something that you you know, girls
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you don't they don't do that in girls sports. You know, they you
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know, they happy and all that kind of stuff. And to watch them
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now, but the thing is they've always done it. I get we just
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didn't want You're right, we didn't watch. I clearly can't compress. I
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didn't watch. And and the personalities. I mean, now that there's more
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money in it, more money means more media, all right, So that
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translates to the viewer, what's gonna happen? What what? What's what's gonna
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happen with the w N B A because they're less than the n I L
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money it is, so I think it will hopefully expedite it this, but
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no, no, from a business standpoint, it just can't. Because we
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we we will get there, But it has to be a point to where
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sixty percent of their games are sold out, right, because that's how those
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owners are going to earn their bottom line, to be able to have that
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revenue split, right, and so, But as this game becomes more popular
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across on all genres of folks, then I think you will solely but surely,
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and again I hope it's expedited, but it will at some point I
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think have more money infused into the women's game. But I say this the
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WNBA, they have to let the personalities in. You cannot try to corporatize
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this. To me, like the NBA, the NBA, far as the
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regular se again, NBA Playoffs championship is the best basketball in the world,
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the best to watch. But I'm just saying, far as the year's standpoint,
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they've just gotten all the personality out of it. It's become the euro
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League essentially. And I'm saying the WNBA don't follow the NBA's path. What
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they're doing now treads your own way and let the personality's in, can you,
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Okay? But let me ask Let me ask both of you this question.
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When you play I don't know what the number, what the total number
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of games that they play, But if you're playing sixty seventy games, NBA
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eighty two, you're playing eighty two games. Man, I can't show you.
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I can't show you that same thing for every game. I don't know,
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bro back in the day, it seemed like maybe I was a kid,
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but it seemed like but I sordint it was every game. But I
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you know, and again I don't know, I don't know if the number
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of games went up, you know, they if they've raised the number of
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games, you know, But I just like, I just don't know how
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you can you can sustain that that same drive, that same energy every game
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we played. See we played sixteen Okay, we played sixteen games, and
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a coach would tell you at any given time after a loss, we just
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wasn't up. We just got caught flat. This is one of those games
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we were flat. You can't be flat in college basketball, women's basketball,
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black point. So I'm just trying to figure out, like, how do
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you keep how do you keep that energy like constantly? Well? I mean
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you know also too that season is a lot shorter. For one, I
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mean, the college season is going to probably span anywhere in between twenty eight
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to thirty six games on average, depending on how far you go, if
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you compete in your conference tournaments, or if you get to compete in some
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type of you know, extra tournament i e. NCAA or n I T.
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But also I think there's the element that they're still in school and so
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that excitement of beating up on arrival, then going to getting to go back
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to campus that night. You know what that means, all right, and
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then everybody knows that you know what that means, and then you get to
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go, you know, to the cafeteria the next day as big woman or
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big man on campus. It's a whole different environment. And yes you're getting
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paid for it, but I think it just creates that that energy and it's
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just a different type of product. I'd agree with that. I can I
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can see that. Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't. I can't.
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I can't argue with it. I just know, like from you know,
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trying to be ready for every game, and when you come off of
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one of those games that almost went overtime you barely wanted you somebody knocked down
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the last shot, you take that deep breath, half of the game is
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over, and then you you right back on the court in a couple of
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days. I'm sorry. And I think also with being a professional, it's
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just like us, there's gonna be towns where you have an off day.
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Yeah, there's gonna be towns where you have an with that. And unless
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you just like didn't want to study or take a test when you're going to
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school, like you want to go back to the class, I don't care
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what anybody says, right, it's just a totally different thing. And most
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people, some people obviously are getting paid right now, but by and large,
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it's not your job, and it's purely about the excitement going to impress
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your fellow classmates and things of that nature. Whereas again, once you get
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a contract, it might suck that you lost, but you know, I'll
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get up and do this in a couple of days and cash that check and
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I'll be okay. Yeah, And let's be clear when we talk about nil,
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everybody ain't getting paid. No, it's only a select few that's really
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really getting the bag. Everybody else is just do you do you think do
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you think let's let's let's take what are we down? Four six eight teams
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were down to eight teams. Eight teams where women's and women's right, Well,
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well, yes, so the other two one yesterday which was what North
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Carolina, they and South Carolina. Then tonight we got Yukon and USC and
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then we got lsu versus hour. Yeah. Okay, So those those five
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starters on each one of those teams, I'm gonna make the case are getting
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something. Yeah, they getting something, but not say they probably not get
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Yeah, I don't mean they getting all of them may getting hundreds of thousands
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of millions. But I would say a bag is relative though, is relative
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because you know, if I go on campus and they give me a vehicle,
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my parents get to come to all my games. And let's just say
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I get twenty five grand twenty years old. That's a bag that's right right
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now. Yeah, I'd be I'd be happy, yeah, you know,
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And or like even a house so that your parents can come for sure and
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live with you, will come and stay as long as they want. Right
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up, that's your house. That's important, that matters, you know.
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And I got two delegates with me, Delegate Hornbuckle and Delegate Lewis Hollis.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna jump into something that I know is a really kind of
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difficult subject, a testy subject, but I'm like, for me, I'm
28:07
okay with it, just simply for the for the fact that you know,
28:11
I think where I wanted, where I'm meaning it to go, it's likely
28:15
that we can we can we can get there, Okay. So one of
28:23
one of the one of my main concerns about the conversation going on about Crispy's,
28:34
which everybody knows is in some form of fashion attached to Randy Moss restaurant
28:44
in honey To, And I think most people in Huntington has probably either try
28:52
to go to get something to eat or decided they weren't they weren't interested in
28:59
it. People have come from out of town, out of state just to
29:06
just to go with the with the maybe even with the potential of maybe seeing
29:11
Randy there, and and and and so I'm gonna I'm gonna put a period
29:18
there, and I'm gonna go somewhere else. I have I have, and
29:25
I've said this multiple times on on the show and on other shows. One
29:30
of the hardest things that I deal with in my own mindset is West Virginia
29:41
and their superstar athletes like I have, I have, I have. I've
29:48
struggled with the idea of why why we always find ourselves providing the negative we
29:59
serve we literally leads. In my mind, it feels like we search for
30:03
the negative for the reason not to like that person. Now we cheered for
30:08
him when he was in high school, we cheered for him when he was
30:11
in college, or her if they exactly if they stayed in state we were
30:18
gonna cheer for. But now if they were to go to pitt Penn State.
30:25
Perfect example, Kurt Warner, a Pinevale native, a West Virginia native.
30:32
Right, he don't even like he it's hard to get him to come
30:34
back to to do anything just because of how he was treated, because he
30:41
went where he wanted to go. Yeah, and I and and so it's
30:47
confusing to me that we can't find a way to celebrate. I can,
30:56
and I'm older than both of y'all. Two, I can remember even even
31:00
just Jerry West, Jerry West's name, and people talk about he, oh,
31:04
he never came back. He never done this, you know, da
31:07
da da. And then the perfect example, because I don't because this is
31:11
not even I don't even think it's a color thing. I think it's just
31:14
a it's just the reality of sometimes we we lose sight of that special Like
31:22
Jason Waite. Yeah, like I know he comes back and does something.
31:29
He does, he comes back and does some things. But wouldn't you like
31:33
to think that he like, I mean, how great he was, Like
31:38
why wouldn't why wouldn't he be here doing all kinds of stuff into the into
31:44
the why is he not doing somebody's commercial? And you know what I'm saying,
31:48
And outside of you know what's what's going to we'll touch the Chrispy situation.
31:52
But I know Moss for years, he would come back and he would
31:53
hold a camp and he would do the signing of autographs. So probably I
31:57
would say his whole ten yere in the league, you did the same thing,
32:01
and him come back and host camps in different things of that nature.
32:05
So I know he was, he was present here and far this the restaurant
32:08
situation again, I think people may automatically attach it to whatever's going on down
32:15
there, whether it be right or wrong with him, but it may not
32:19
necessarily be have anything to do with him, right because you got to remember
32:22
and I know when I went down, you know he brought the food to
32:27
me. That ain't his job. Now, you know what I'm saying.
32:30
He's helping out with his investment. Yeah, and some people have lost sight.
32:35
Whether you like it, love it, or hate it, that is
32:37
an investment opportunity for him. Those people are the owners and co founders right
32:43
here and see, and I didn't really know that until I heard them say
32:46
that. I really yeah, yeah, yeah, they're the owners and the
32:49
co founder. So again in regards to somebody loves it, hates it,
32:53
indifferent that honestly shouldn't have any attachment to r Indian Mine because I know plenty
33:00
of angel investors who put into local businesses and they might not show up on
33:07
the bottom line or they might not be there, and I guess they're attached
33:10
to it, but they're also not running it right, And so I don't
33:15
even know if we're applying you know, the same standard in this situation.
33:20
But I think too to your point of you know, when you regardless of
33:25
whatever that person plays, their role is in this bigger organization, I have
33:31
to be conscious that if I represent the organization that you also represent, that
33:37
I'm in fact representing you because obviously ran them off your Hall of Fame and
33:42
your superstar or you, Shawn Delegate, and you are my minority chair person.
33:46
So how I conduct myself, particularly in the public, I have to
33:52
be conscious of that because I'm not just representing me. Well, if I'm
33:57
not just representing my business, but I'm also representing this this legacy, this
34:00
legend. That's what I'm saying, And that's interesting. Yeah, That's interesting
34:05
because when we were talking, even before we were getting got into some people
34:07
don't know the difference. Some people just Raindy moss old, he's messing up,
34:12
you know, they think that, and and and and and that makes
34:16
the point too, because and I think that you're making the point that that
34:23
conversation, with that interview being part of that podcast, that well, that
34:32
was that was. I think that I don't know if that was necessarily the
34:36
way that you want to go, just just just because I'm not sure if
34:44
because again people are people are thinking Randy's on the Randy sitting on the top
34:49
of this and sit in it. You know, he's sitting somewhere in it,
34:54
and so now this becomes an argument about about him versus what's happening at
35:02
the restaurant exactly. And the unfortunate thing is this is at the root of
35:08
it all. This is at the root of it all. And I have
35:15
noticed, probably over i would say, the span of the last five to
35:20
eight years, everyone thinks that their a reality TV stall because everybody has Facebook
35:29
and all these social media platforms, and their problems and their gripes should be
35:35
broadcast all over the place. Because people literally have in their mind because of
35:38
phones that they are starr and so unfortunately they were not thinking, provided they
35:45
have one, we're not thinking with their business cap. They just wanted to
35:50
gripe and be the star of the day. And I don't think it's helpful
35:54
to their quest and run an efficient practice in a business. And so they're
36:00
going to have to live with that. And you know, I believe that
36:01
everybody gets second chances, but they're gonna have to figure it out real soon
36:06
or they're gonna be with that. And I'll say this for my part,
36:08
like I haven't had the chance to I think when I went down there,
36:12
it was just the restaurant was just opening, So I haven't had the chance
36:15
to go in there. And I'm not, you know, casting dispersions.
36:19
I don't know a far as who's right and who's wrong in this situation.
36:22
I don't know if anybody really I don't know who's right right, And I'm
36:25
not saying that, but I think that again, if you're in a leadership
36:29
position, but more importantly to our conversation, if you representing somebody, if
36:34
I'm representing somebody, I have to be conscious of how I react or how
36:38
I respond to things. That are going on, whether I'm right or they're
36:44
wrong, or I'm wrong and they're right. So I think that's sort of
36:46
the bigger lesson here. And and and I'll give this as somewhat of an
36:52
analogy, like if I try to call Randy and he don't answer, but
36:55
I don't, I'm not gonna come back on the show and say I called,
37:00
try to call Randy, he ain't an answer, Like he has that
37:04
opportunity or that choice to do that. And whether we we don't hang out,
37:10
you know, if we if we happen to be in the same spot,
37:13
we might hang out. We might do that. You know, I
37:15
would say that we were cool. You know, we're good. You know,
37:20
I love him to death. I love everything about everything that he has
37:24
overcome to get to where he is. It bothers me. It bothers me
37:30
that everybody's like and again, I hate to bring this up, but there's
37:37
no way I can like so like even the ketchup issue, Okay, even
37:43
the ketchup issue. Does anybody really believe that Randy sitting there saying no,
37:47
we ain't getting we don't want no catch up. I hope people don't.
37:51
I hope, you know, I would hope, you know, like I
37:53
don't think that's a Randy thing, you know. You know, I'm thinking
37:58
what Randy has done, which nobody really I won't say nobody, but a
38:02
lot of people don't don't see it. He invested in something in Huntington hoping
38:12
it would do well. Yeah, and again I had the food, and
38:16
I'm not being prejudiced. I like the food. Yea, I heard it
38:21
was good. I like the food. Everything that I had was good.
38:27
I haven't heard anybody necessarily say anything that. I've not heard anybody say anything
38:31
negative about the food per se. I've heard the catch up thing, I
38:36
heard, you know, just all that kind of stuff. But for the
38:37
most part, I don't know if you can say, you know, And
38:40
I don't know any restaurant that's good at everything, so so they don't have
38:45
to be good at everything. But I think when you when you put yourself
38:50
in this kind of situation, it puts him in a situation. You like,
38:57
you're bringing him to the forefront, and now people who don't care for
39:01
him or don't know him, now they thinking that or just don't understand business.
39:07
I think that to your point, Deligal Hornboo because sometimes if we have
39:12
a if we're famous, or we have a big name, sort of like
39:15
what Trump does. Trump doesn't own all these business What he does is lend
39:19
his name here there, there there right right. So it could be a
39:22
situation where I lend my name, I lend my resources, I lend my
39:25
connections. So to your point, it's not as though he's in there,
39:30
you know, cooking chicken sandwiches, you know what I mean, you know,
39:32
or people, I'm sorry, go ahead, but you know it's also
39:36
like this, you know, I'm sitting here thinking as we're discussing this.
39:38
It's almost if let's say I hypothetically bought in Vidio stock. All right,
39:45
So technically if I buy stock, I technically have ownerships in that right,
39:49
right, But I'm not there making the day to day decisions, right while
39:52
their ledger is going up or down. And again, I own stock in
39:55
that company, and I'm buying it because I hope there's a return on it,
40:00
right, But that also doesn't mean again that I'm there day to day
40:04
making those decisions and driving that business. And so we're just going to be
40:08
really careful on how we assess things. And I'm just I'll let's go just
40:13
quickly, because I was actually listening to something last night and what it was
40:17
talking about it was kind of sort of relating to something else, but they
40:22
were talking about kids not understanding that when you walk out into the world,
40:27
you represent not only yourself, but you represent your family, you represent your
40:30
school, you represent more than just yourself. When I am doing things,
40:35
particularly if i'm any you know, if I have any sort of microphone,
40:42
if I have any sort of light on me, you know, we're delicate.
40:45
We represent our districts. So not to say that you have to be
40:49
you know, soft short, that you have to you know, be extraordinarily
40:53
careful. But I have to be careful in that I represent myself and the
40:58
people that I represent correctly. Yes, and and and and let me make
41:02
sure that everybody understands that piece of that. That is, anybody who would
41:07
represent Randy Moss when I talk about legends, building legends, I don't you
41:13
know, to me, I was, I was, It was it was
41:15
an honor for him to come and do a show with me and sit down
41:21
and have a conversation. You know, when you so if you're gonna sit
41:27
here and then try to make a case that he didn't do this. He
41:32
don't have to do anything, you know, I mean, in all reality,
41:37
he don't. I mean, there's a whole lot of folks who have
41:39
been great athletes in West Virginia who hadn't done anything in West Virginia. Yeah,
41:46
and and and at least he tried to put his dollar into something here
41:54
in West Virginia. And I can remember even before that happened, how people
42:00
were talking about that he ought to do something here, he ought to come
42:02
back and do something here. Well, when you okay, so when you
42:07
do that, when you try to help somebody else out, which I'm assuming
42:12
that's pretty much how this situation took place. But again speculating, he you
42:17
know, he helped invest in this place with the folks who are running it,
42:23
does that not count? But and I would also to your point,
42:27
I would also say for the people, for the public, I believe that
42:31
maybe there are to be some grace there. To Delaga Hornbucker's point, sometimes
42:37
we get our phone and we want to make skits and we want to make
42:39
memes about everything where we can maybe just handle some of those complaints in privately,
42:46
like we don't just the same way you don't want the owners of this
42:50
restaurant representing most incorrectly. We as the public, we as the fans,
42:53
we as home team, don't want to represent him incorrectly as well in this
42:58
endeavor. What should what? What should have happened? If anything, if
43:04
anything, if anybody should have said something, Should anybody have said something?
43:10
Or should this have been something that the three of them just had a discussion
43:15
and try and maybe they did and and and and they decided that they were
43:21
going to say whatever they wanted to say. And maybe Randy okay, that
43:24
that's that's that's a possibility. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I'm
43:34
just saying, and I agree, and I agree, but I'll just make
43:37
the case that I'm just making the case that I don't factually know that,
43:43
yes, but I would never I don't think there's any way that I could
43:50
find myself ever saying anything negative about somebody who who who invested in me.
43:57
I don't care what Brandy does ever again with me. He did something with
44:01
me, but who's I don't think. But the thing is, I don't
44:05
know if anybody's necessarily speaking negatively on Randy on I don't know if I don't
44:09
know if I've heard that, per se. I don't think. I don't
44:14
think they're saying anything negative about him, But I think there's just a misconception
44:19
and how much he's involved. And because it's the old adage of heavy is
44:23
the head that wears the crown, you know that, and so he is
44:30
the figurehead like it, love it or hate it, and so he's just
44:32
going to catch the flag. Yeah, okay. And again I think it
44:36
also comes from a place of from some ignorance of just understanding the business structure
44:40
and how it flows and how it works. But hey, man, it's
44:44
you know, it is what it is. And yeah, I'm just you
44:47
know, I'm I'm hoping, I'm hoping, you know, in the in
44:52
the in the long run of this, if there is such a thing as
44:57
as a long run going forward, that you know, everybody understands the role
45:06
and and and and what what maybe what you should and shouldn't do, and
45:13
to that point, and I and I and I say, I don't want
45:15
to take it here and I'm not gonna take it there. But there's a
45:19
reason why when these big corporations, when they get in trouble, when they
45:22
find themselves in controversy controversy. It's a reason why they issue written statements prepared
45:28
by attorneys or legal counsel because they got to say the right point blank.
45:31
Yes, they got to say the right thing. It's the reason why they
45:34
do that, correct and could I'm gonna give them the benefit and I don't
45:39
want to give them the benefit of the doubt per se, but on the
45:43
benefit of the doubt, what got you so mad to make you like okay?
45:50
Because you you you went to you went to a podcast to to to
45:57
do this, to say these things. You you you came on you do
46:00
that was there not somewhere in there you would think like, uh no,
46:06
maybe maybe we shouldn't maybe we shouldn't go there, or yeah, I mean
46:12
we're we're also assuming that there's that thought there, right, which which we
46:15
would think is a reasonable thought. But if you've never had to encounter something
46:20
like that, that might not be a reasonable thought to you. You might
46:22
just say whatever is on your mind and forget that you are in a public
46:28
space and you and it was absent of you that you're actually attacking your potential
46:34
customers, Which is the wildest thing I've ever seen and heard of by the
46:37
way, was because it's just it's just a way to go about things.
46:44
At the end of the day, did it seem did it seem angry to
46:46
you? It's it seemed like it just seemed like there's something else that's going
46:58
on. And I guess it's the pressure bust pipes. Okay, So so
47:04
I'm gonna give you the better word. So what you're saying is there was
47:07
there's pressure going on in the restaurant, and and and and their conversation on
47:15
the podcast was from the pressure in which they're feeling in the restaurant and or
47:22
from from the public. I mean, I'll just simply say, look,
47:28
I work customer services my first job out of college. And the mantra was,
47:32
like, you know, we often hear the customer is always right.
47:36
Well that's incorrect. The customer is not always right. But the customer is
47:42
the customer, and and and just in case you missed that, the customer
47:49
is the customer, which in turn means that's who you gotta treat. You
47:55
gotta treat that person in a in a and and a way to make them
48:00
want to come back. And the fact of the matter is they're not always
48:04
right. The customer is always right and that and that's what you have attorneys
48:07
and lawyers for in public relations in different things of that age. That's who
48:12
you have these teams for, is to sort of combat these sort of things.
48:16
Yeah, and if you if there is a negative or untrue yet review,
48:21
you have a team that's going to take care of that. In addition,
48:23
my thing is like, again, regardless of what's ever going on,
48:28
I'm never going to represent you in a negative life. I'm never going to
48:30
represent you in a negative way or pitch you in a position where you have
48:36
to take up for me for something I just said flagrantly. I just think
48:43
when I when I there would be like for me, there'd be no reason
48:47
why I could ever speak negative toward Randy. Not because it's Randy Moss,
48:58
but because of the the Randy that I know. Okay, just just just
49:02
the Randy that I know. And he may not do any and everything that
49:08
I want him to do or ask him to do, but what I understand
49:15
is everything here in West Virginia is not the most important thing to him.
49:23
Correct, and he's got things bigger and more talking about. From the customer
49:30
standpoint, yes, yes, yes, From the customer like he doesn't have
49:34
time to deal with every specific customer issue. He doesn't have time to respond
49:44
to this part. And again, that's not his job needs it was not.
49:47
No, it's not, it's not, it's not. He doesn't have
49:51
any time to respond to this. He doesn't have any respond to the one
49:53
that happened in Huntington. And yet the scary thing about it is we're talking
50:02
about him, and that's that's to me, that's the bad thing about the
50:08
the the relevance of his name and anybody and everybody has an opportunity to go
50:17
after that. And I think that I think that's I think that's a shameful.
50:23
That's a shameful situation to have to live in when anytime something that you're
50:31
around, anytime that anything that you participate in, you put your name on
50:37
it and it goes left or right for whatever the reason. But but I
50:44
think, I mean, I feel you on that. But that's just part
50:46
of the game too. That's that's that's You're gonna catch this strap Andel if
50:51
you in the seat. The fact of the matter is what I'm looking at
50:53
is the people who are supposed to be insulating me, like take care of
50:59
that, so I don't catch as much I'm gonna catch. Like you said,
51:01
if you're the owner to project the owner in any business, you're gonna
51:05
catch some heat. And that's cool, but take care those people who are
51:07
playing the front. Take care of that so it don't hit me as hard.
51:13
Unforced turnovers. I like that, don't do me like and to your
51:20
point and to and to to that name to me, that's that. That's
51:28
what I mean, that's really what's happening. Like you know, people are
51:31
faltering and and and trying to get it up off of them, to get
51:37
it away from them, and and and in the means, so if it's
51:43
not me, then it's got to be y'all. So if the show is
51:45
bad, it ain't me, it's y'all. And here's the thing too,
51:51
because I know that we're probably gonna get a little of that drive. But
51:54
but here's the thing. Though you made it public, not necessarily else and
52:00
I'm not doing I don't think none of us are talking specifically who's right and
52:05
wrong far as any daily business. I don't know that. I'm not talking
52:07
about that, like, because he could be one hundred percent right, they
52:10
could be one hundred percent wrong, whatever. But I think the again,
52:14
when you open the door, you're opening the door for a lot to come
52:17
in. And you gotta be conscious that when you when you're in the seat,
52:21
you gotta you you've gotta be careful when you're talking about if you're going
52:25
to talk about something that includes delegates, right, you know, I'd have
52:30
to be awfully careful in having that discussion out in the public and saying,
52:37
you know, whatever I think you know about the two of you all you
52:42
know, and whatever we're doing, you know, oh they don't come.
52:45
You know that ain't got nothing to do with it. I think you gotta
52:49
be rig be careful with that, and with somebody who's somebody who's already had
52:58
And I almost I feel bad in saying this, and it even it even
53:05
kind of chokes me up a little bit, because like, how much does
53:08
this brother have to take? How much? How much? How many?
53:13
How many times? Yeah, how many how much stuff? You can't put
53:17
anything else on him? I mean, like, there ain't no reason to
53:21
put anything else on him. Here's a brother who has just been great for
53:25
the he's been great and has put this state on the map. I mean,
53:31
he's the best thing you know you talked about him being the best,
53:36
if not the best athlete. I think he's the best athlete ever. You
53:40
know, now you can you can you said best athlete ever like all time?
53:45
Yeah you think so? You're he's talking about from the state, and
53:52
that's a good show show if you want to see if you I'm gonna make
53:59
him as good an athlete as anybody. I mean he top ten, I
54:05
mean definitely for all time. I mean he's the greatest West Virginia. That's
54:12
nobody playing and doing the things that he's doing. But if you want to
54:15
go nationally, like right, he's he up there, him him, because
54:23
I'm trying to figure out who's nine, who's he? Who's Listen. My
54:32
cousin was in town from d C a few weeks ago for a family funeral,
54:37
and we got to talking to my Auntanetta's houses mom, and I didn't
54:42
even know about the whole track deal where the coach basically just hadn't him run
54:47
track and a meet at Marshall and he won a championship. Yeah, you're
54:52
just getting out there. I didn't know me and Jersey, I'm going to
54:55
go meet everybody. Know. He just about joining high school. I mar
55:01
he won the Southern Conference or whatever. It's something nutty like that, like
55:06
literally like like I think it was one hundred and two hundred something. You
55:08
can you can go right now. He went out there, He just went
55:13
out he might have practiced for maybe like a league like messing around or Randy
55:15
time, and went out there and championship. So two sport athletes that Mark
55:21
Wow and and could have been basketball heard there trying to get him out there
55:27
on the baseball diamond. Yeah, he was heard that he played in high
55:30
school. He was really heard about that. But he legit went out there
55:35
with minimal training or anything and went out there and beat up on everybody on
55:38
that track. That's wow. That's why I didn't know that one. I
55:42
mean so so, I mean, I mean, when you when you be
55:47
careful for people's name, yeah, yeah, yeah. And and let's just
55:52
make the case. Let's just make the case that regardless of anything, that
55:58
anything that Randy Moss is a part of out Yeah, there's no reason to
56:04
be there's no reason to be negative because he ain't trying. If he's got
56:07
his name on it, he ain't trying to be negative. He's trying to
56:09
help he's trying to help you. He's trying to help and we need to
56:14
we need to do better with with those type of athletes. We need to
56:17
be better with those kind of people. Because here's a brother. At the
56:22
end of the day, I mean, come on, how much does he
56:24
need to go through? Yeah, and look, man, shout out to
56:28
chrispers Uh, it's chrispers or Crispy's Chris Chrispy's next time, I'm Honeyton,
56:32
I'm definitely stopping through, So shout out to him. I hope they,
56:36
like I said, I hope they prosper. I hope they you know,
56:38
I hope all this can just get behind them. But I would just say,
56:43
man, let's just protect each other like at all costs, you know
56:45
what I mean, And let's just handle things like professional like I said,
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you know, Deligahrnbuger, you know, Coach Lee. Sometimes it ain't always
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our fault, but sometimes if you're in a position, you gotta follow on
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the settle, you gotta handle business and you got to move on to the
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next day. I just don't. My only problem is is that you know
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Randy's been falling on the shore. Well, ain't talking about right, I'm
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just talking about dog from my projective. He really ain't got nothing to do
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with this, all right now, me too, yeah yeah yeah, So
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all right, well, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you enjoyed that conversation,
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