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Dave Grohl’s Baby Mama with Sutton Stracke of RHOBH · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Let's get going with the show. Hello and welcome to
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop. I have returned guest. Last time she was on,
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  Speaker 3: it was a Zoom, but this is the first time
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  Speaker 3: in person. I'm so excited to bring back star of
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  Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Sutton. Just one word, Sutton.
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  Speaker 3: You're a fashionista. You have your own store. How are you?
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  Speaker 3: Southern belle, bellerina. There's so many things that you are.
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  Speaker 1: The word southern belle is so funny. It sounds antiquated,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't it? But people like to label. So it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I'll call myself a southern belle because I've never forgotten
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  Speaker 1: my roots.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know? I will forever be Southern.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. I love a Southern belle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm really excited that you're here. I am so
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  Speaker 3: excited to be here in person.
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  Speaker 1: It's not pandemic. I cannot believe that it's been that
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  Speaker 1: long since. I mean, I've seen you. You've come to
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  Speaker 1: store events and stuff. You're so great to be supportive
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  Speaker 1: like that. But that's the first time we met was
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  Speaker 1: on a laptop.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: My first season- On Real Housewives.
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  Speaker 3: Which I always kind of like getting someone their first
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  Speaker 3: season to kind of get the whole backstory. And that's
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  Speaker 3: when I was like, oh, I didn't know that you
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  Speaker 3: studied ballet. I didn't know that then, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: your whole backstory. Because I feel like definitely it's hard
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  Speaker 3: to get that, you know, when you're just joining the
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  Speaker 3: cast and everything. So now this is what? This next
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  Speaker 3: season will be like your fifth season?
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  Speaker 1: It's my fifth season, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like in general. I survived. Like, here you are.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the latest cast. Yeah. So we have your friend.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Tilly.
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  Speaker 3: Is going to be, quote, unquote, a friend of the show.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen her a bunch at events. And you guys
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  Speaker 3: go into, like, Dolce & Gabbana and laughing and having fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, she's a huge, hilarious actress.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a great actress.
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  Speaker 3: And then we have this other new girl on the end.
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  Speaker 3: What is her name? Bose.
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  Speaker 4: Bose.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then everybody else, it's Dorit, Garcelle, Kyle. Erica Jane, you,
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  Speaker 3: and then Kathy Hilton as like a friend too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, I can't wait. Beverly Hills never disappoints.
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  Speaker 3: Never disappoints.
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  Speaker 1: It's a really good season. We had a lot of fun. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And which I think in the, I was like. You know,
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  Speaker 1: doing five years. Yeah. The first three, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: is this how it is? Because it was a bit
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  Speaker 1: dark for a while.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because you had the Erika Jayne stuff. That
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  Speaker 3: all broke. We had Denise.
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  Speaker 1: We had Erika Jayne. We had everybody piling on Sutton.
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  Speaker 3: So finally— So wait, the first season of Denise, was
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  Speaker 3: that when the rumors— Were going that she and Brandy
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  Speaker 3: had had a little fun in Canada while filming a
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  Speaker 3: Hallmark movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. And I was like, okay. And
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  Speaker 1: I was very quiet my first season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because Jennifer and I were talking about this last night
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  Speaker 1: at dinner. Because Jennifer, you know, she's a big fan.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So she came in thinking, oh, I know exactly what's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen. She had no idea.
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  Speaker 5: She goes, nothing can prepare you for doing this show.
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  Speaker 5: and she said, you know, I come in as an actress, like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: look at me, look at me, you know, and nobody's
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  Speaker 5: looking at me, and I said, well, imagine coming in
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  Speaker 5: as a normal person, and, you know, you have all
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  Speaker 5: of these women who are actresses or models, whatever they are, and,
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  Speaker 5: or they've been on the show for years, I, they're like,
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  Speaker 5: who's that, and didn't pay attention to me, and so
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  Speaker 5: I just sat back and watched, and then all of
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  Speaker 5: this stuff about threesomes is flying around, and I just thought, what?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 5: And why are we yelling at the table? And, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you don't know where to sit. And then I was like,
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  Speaker 5: the place guards are very important, ladies. Let's, you know,
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  Speaker 5: because you never know where to sit.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Or who to sit with.
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  Speaker 5: And Jennifer felt the same way going in. So it
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  Speaker 5: was funny just talking about that. But yeah, that first
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  Speaker 5: season was crazy. Rome was wild.
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  Speaker 1: And like our reunion was crazy because we did it.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say Rome? Rome. Oh, we went to Rome.
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  Speaker 3: This season.
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  Speaker 1: So we haven't seen it. No, my first season with Denise.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. It was Rome.
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  Speaker 1: It was Rome. And then our reunion was on laptops
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  Speaker 1: and Denise is throwing papers around.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what was happening. I'm like, what is
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  Speaker 5: this show? So it's just funny to... have a friend.
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  Speaker 1: Now do it with me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: To hear her side. I'm like, oh yeah, that happened
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  Speaker 1: to me too. I remember those feelings.
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  Speaker 3: So with that, how did that really come about? So you,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in, they got to know your life. They
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  Speaker 3: got to know Okay, we've got this woman Sutton. She's divorced.
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  Speaker 3: These are her kids. And we didn't see your kids
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  Speaker 3: because I guess that was an agreement between you and
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  Speaker 3: your ex-husband that they not be on camera.
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  Speaker 5: He was not going to sign the waiver to let
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  Speaker 5: the children be filmed.
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  Speaker 3: And now that they're almost of all of age, we
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  Speaker 3: got to see your daughter that looks just like you
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  Speaker 3: but with brown hair. She's very cute. We got to
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  Speaker 3: see her a little bit last season. How do you
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  Speaker 3: feel about that now? Do you feel like maybe in
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  Speaker 3: the end that was the right decision? Because who cares?
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  Speaker 3: They can be on it if they want to now.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think even, you know, five years ago, they
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  Speaker 5: would have said, I don't want to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't force my children to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they wouldn't have wanted to do it. Because sometimes
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  Speaker 3: I hear from housewives, Tamara Barney, judge of OC, she
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  Speaker 3: always had an issue with her ex, Simon, not allowing
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  Speaker 3: the kids to be on camera. And she said her
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  Speaker 3: youngest very much wanted to do it. Now we see
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  Speaker 3: the youngest, Sophia. I personally think, and I know Brandy
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  Speaker 3: Glanville always wanted her boys to be seen, but Eddie
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  Speaker 3: Cibrian said no. I'm like, I always think that's like
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  Speaker 3: the gift that even if you didn't want it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who cares?
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  Speaker 3: Like why? So what? Why do we need to see
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  Speaker 3: you at 13?
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  Speaker 1: I think for me, I have always, I let my
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  Speaker 1: children kind of guide their own lives and they know
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  Speaker 1: what's right and what's wrong and what's right for them.
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  Speaker 5: I think they would have said, I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: do this. You know, and that would have been an
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  Speaker 5: easy decision for them. I don't want to take decisions, decision.
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  Speaker 1: Making away from my children.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't really enjoy that. That was like adamant.
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  Speaker 1: You know, once I turned 18, then.
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  Speaker 5: There was the conversation. Will you do this scene with me? And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, my daughter Porter is very shy.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't want to do it. And I said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think it might be fun.
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  Speaker 5: And so we will forevermore have the first scene that
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  Speaker 5: I did with her was with, um, Lisa Rinna.
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  Speaker 1: And I think we talked about, um, the sorority thing. Yeah. She,
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  Speaker 1: it was her first year of college. And, um, so
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  Speaker 1: we'll always have that. And then when my son turned 18,
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  Speaker 1: I had moved into my new house and we made
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  Speaker 1: chicken salad together. And like, I will always have that.
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  Speaker 3: And, um, Like that moment on film in time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I do think that's a lovely part about being on
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  Speaker 3: a reality show is just having that forever, providing it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a horrific experience for anybody. Providing it wasn't like
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  Speaker 3: a kid crying or acting like a total brat and
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  Speaker 3: now they're embarrassed by it. Like I think people don't
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  Speaker 3: think enough about that, putting their younger kids on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That there is this time in your life when your
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  Speaker 3: brain isn't fully formed and maybe you're being disrespectful or
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  Speaker 3: rude and it gets played for the next 20 years
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  Speaker 3: and people remember that Gina– Kino's son was horrible and
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  Speaker 3: rude to her when she unexpectedly visited him at a
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  Speaker 3: baseball game. And she told me, like she was an
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  Speaker 3: original Real Housewives OC, that that was a really hard
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  Speaker 3: thing for him for the years to come. Now he's
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  Speaker 3: married and I think a father. But, you know, he
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  Speaker 3: just was being a young kid.
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  Speaker 1: Jerk.
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  Speaker 3: And he probably wasn't, he probably had, she just come alone.
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  Speaker 3: He wouldn't have acted like that.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It's that she surprised him with cameras. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and also I think as a parent, you have
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  Speaker 5: to be smart about your choices and, and the predicament
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  Speaker 5: that you put your children in. So, you know, for me,
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  Speaker 5: I've had some really nice moments so far with my
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  Speaker 5: two oldest children. And it's kind of fun to watch
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  Speaker 5: my middle son I've filmed with him like twice now.
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  Speaker 1: And now this season I've filmed with him. And, you know, he,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be fun to watch those scenes.
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  Speaker 1: I like them.
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  Speaker 5: And I think later they're going to get to watch
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  Speaker 5: them and be like, this is so great that we
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  Speaker 5: got to do this together.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I think that's really cool. Well, of course, we're
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  Speaker 3: not going to do any spoilers. We're excited to see
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  Speaker 3: the show. I don't want to get you in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: No, I won't get in trouble. I don't get myself
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  Speaker 1: in trouble. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So I want to talk about this because this
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  Speaker 3: has caused some controversy. Are you aware of it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I saw– I was with– Let me explain first.
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  Speaker 3: To the people. So of course this week is Fashion
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  Speaker 3: Week in New York and a lot of stars, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of reality stars are enjoying the fashion shows. And
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  Speaker 3: Kathy Hilton was there with her two daughters, Nikki and Paris,
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  Speaker 3: and Tiffany Haddish, the comedian, was next to them. And
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  Speaker 3: it all got caught on film where Kathy is like,
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  Speaker 3: you should go. And walk the runway. And it was
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  Speaker 3: not like a runway on a thing. It was like
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  Speaker 3: you step right out and that's the runway.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a little bit different than like getting
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  Speaker 3: out of your seat and stepping up on a stage.
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  Speaker 3: But still, go and walk the runway. And she's wearing
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  Speaker 3: just like a cool like green pantsuit, Tiffany. And she's like,
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  Speaker 3: do it, do it, do it now. And she does it.
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  Speaker 3: And the crowd seems to be happy. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that the designer was sad. I think if anything, he's
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  Speaker 3: thrilled it brought attention to his line or her line.
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  Speaker 4: But.
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  Speaker 3: It was interesting because I started to see all these
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  Speaker 3: TikToks and stuff of how people were reacting in a
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  Speaker 3: certain way of like, it was almost like the girls
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  Speaker 3: were kind of bullying Tiffany to do this, like a dare.
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  Speaker 3: And it's almost like, it was reminding people of like,
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  Speaker 3: you're the new girl at school and it's like mean
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  Speaker 3: girls and they're getting to go do something and you
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't have done it because it does kind of take
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  Speaker 3: away from the designers and the fashion. And I personally
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  Speaker 3: think Tiffany is a good girl. She's a nice person.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody, I don't think she thought through like,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't my moment to take.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And I should tell them not to. I think she
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  Speaker 3: was just in the moment having fun. Right. You know,
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  Speaker 3: But I can see all the different points of view
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  Speaker 3: when you watch it like that. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've seen parts of it. You know, Kathy is
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  Speaker 1: a jokester. And she loves that. I have heard, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but I've heard that Nikki
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  Speaker 1: and Paris.
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  Speaker 5: Are friends with the designer. And I was supposed to
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  Speaker 5: be at the show and didn't make it. It poured
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  Speaker 5: down rain that day in New York.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And....
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think, one, if Kathy was baiting a
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  Speaker 5: little bit, Tiffany has her own. Again, going back to
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  Speaker 5: like the conversation about my children, you can make up
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  Speaker 5: your own mind whether you want to do it or not.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you don't have to do anything. You know,
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  Speaker 5: Kathy's not a mastermind that is controlling people.
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  Speaker 3: You know, but I.
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  Speaker 1: Think Kathy was probably just trying to have a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of fun. And Tiffany probably just said, OK, let's
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  Speaker 1: have some fun. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I think.
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  Speaker 5: If I had been the designer, I probably would, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's so hard because you spend so much time and
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  Speaker 5: money on these shows.
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  Speaker 1: And being reverent as a spectator, I think, is important.
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  Speaker 1: Because what if just a regular person had decided to
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  Speaker 1: do that? What would the response have been to that?
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  Speaker 3: Good point.
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  Speaker 1: To that person. I guess that's maybe a better question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The privilege of just being like, oh, I'm a
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  Speaker 3: star and it's fine. And won't it be funny? And
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  Speaker 3: it's like, well, what about the models? What about everybody
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  Speaker 3: that put the show together?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Now the after it is it's publicity. It's all good.
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  Speaker 3: But I do respect people seeing it and being like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, this is why sometimes you just have to
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  Speaker 3: think and everything's filmed. Every move you make.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Whether you want to be a little annoyed at someone
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  Speaker 3: at Starbucks or not, it's like you go outside of
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  Speaker 3: your home and celebrity or not, you really have to
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  Speaker 3: be very conscious of how you behave.
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  Speaker 1: Every person. It's so true. You can't like complain at
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  Speaker 1: the grocery store line anymore. If you're a celebrity, like
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  Speaker 1: you cannot do anything.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to be very careful and mindful of your actions,
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  Speaker 5: which actually kind of is a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: Because you're sort of like, Keeps you on your toes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. I don't know. I'm leaving for Milan on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: and the idea of me getting up and walking a
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  Speaker 1: runway without the models, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I would never do that. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But Tiffany is a huge star. She's a huge star,
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  Speaker 1: but also— And she's also a comedian, and she's funny,
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  Speaker 1: and people love her.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, as a comedian, if I was in that
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  Speaker 3: position— I would hope that I would go, no, Kathy,
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  Speaker 3: stop it. I would hope that I would do that. Right.
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  Speaker 3: But I can't 100% say that I wouldn't take that
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  Speaker 3: fun moment. That moment.
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  Speaker 1: To be like, this could be fun.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: And, like, I'd probably overly do the modeling, like, do
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: the face. And I'd probably do it, like, very Zoolander.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: And I would probably think it was great. And then
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: a couple hours later I would see all these TikToks about, like,
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: how could you do that? You're such an asshole, Heather MacDonald,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: or you're the girl that just wants to be in
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: with the popular people and you're not from Beverly Hills,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: you're from the Valley. And like, I could see that happening.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: So I can totally see why in the moment, and
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: someone who's only attended one real fashion show in my
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: whole life, one or two, like one was the Where
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Everyone Wears Red, that charity that everyone wears red. I
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: got to go to that one years ago in New York.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: That's the only New York fashion show I've ever been to.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: And one That was for Gucci on the, they shut
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: down Hollywood Boulevard like.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Two years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Those are the only two like real fashion. All the
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: rest of them were like National Charity League and, you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Valley Debs and like where we put on our own.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: That Gucci show was a hot ticket.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really cool. But those are the only
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: ones I've been to that are like you put on
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: your own fashion show for, you know, your high school
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: or whatever.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Right. That's it.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: So, you know, and I don't, obviously Tiffany was not
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: raised going to fashion shows. So I think that's what,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: The conversation started. But it is interesting because wasn't there
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: something that I also saw in the news where Kathy
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: did somehow get on stage of another fashion show?
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Mine.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, that was yours?
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Well, she was– Kathy, I swear.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I swear.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I love her so much that it's just hard to
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: be mad at her at anything. Right.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: She had come, you know, I had like a small,
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm not the designer. I have, it's Sutton
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: Green Label. And so what we do, we were a
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: circular fashion company.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And so we take clothes that are going to go
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: into the landfills and we remanufacture them with my label. Oh, awesome.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: And it's amazing.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: And it helps the environment and helps everybody. And It's
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: been such a fun project of mine. So we did
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: a fashion show, and Kathy came backstage, and she went
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: kind of the wrong way and ended up walking out
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: right when the music started, when the show was starting,
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: finding her seat. And my sweet goddaughter, who's an amazing model, Wiz,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: came coming out and she is like one of those
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: models that she's like six feet tall and she blasts
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: her and there's Kathy finding her seat and Wiz was
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: very gentle and graceful just kind of patted her on
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: the back you know find your seat lady yeah and
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: so you know Kathy didn't she did it.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Then and now here she is at it again I mean.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: We're all nobody wants to see her leave the show
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: she is entertaining whether it's Not totally. I mean, come on,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: the hunky dory. I don't believe that she had never
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: heard a hunky dory. But it did lighten up your moment.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Well, she was trying to lighten me up because I
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: was so upset. And she said something.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: That was the ugly pants. What am I jealous of?
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Your ugly pants. To Crystal, who's now your friend. Yeah, yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Crystal called you jealous, and you said, of what?
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: Of what?
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Your ugly leather pants. Seriously, I was like, of what?
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: But I will say this. I'm in good company.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: If Sudden Green Label is in the same company. of Mons,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: then thank.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: You, Kathy. Yeah, yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but, yeah, the ugly leather pants, that was quite something.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a photo of her before she did it.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: She's so cute.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: She's so cute.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: One reward.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Endless choice. Skip the hassle, reward the easy way.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: what would you do if it was given back?
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: He said, I have a work dad.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I need a home dad.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 21:14
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• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 21:18
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• 21:18
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• 21:20
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• 21:22
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• 21:24
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• 21:27
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• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, now have you heard about this Juicy Scoop?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: No, but I love Dave Grohl so much. He is
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: an animal with those drums. And my secret dream is
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: to learn how to play the drums. And, you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: my executive assistant, vice president, king of the household, Avi,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: will not let me get a drum set. So I'm
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: obsessed with him, but I don't know this headline.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Well, this is pretty juicy. Okay. He's been married for
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: 23 years.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: And he just came out with this statement on his Instagram.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: And the way he wrote it was very interesting. He wrote,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I have fathered a child outside of my marriage. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: plan on being a present father to this little baby
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: girl and working on my marriage and getting the trust
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: back from my wife and children. Be respectful of all
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the children involved.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I am not the woman that had the baby
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: as much.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: As I would like to have been.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You can still love him.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: You can still love him. I just found this. First
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: of all, he is so well-liked. He's so well-liked. And
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: part of what made him well-liked, I've got personal juicy scoop.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, so what I.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I'm really like, this is like throwing me for a
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: loop here because. It's okay. He's one of my crushes. Listen.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I love him.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Listen, a lot of rock stars have. You know, babies
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: out of wedlock.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: A lot of men have babies everywhere that we don't
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: know about.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Or they lie or they say, it's not mine. And
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: then the girl is forced to get a DNA test
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: and beg for child support. So I'm just saying he's
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: doing the right thing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: He's being the gentleman.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to, you know, dishonor this
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: child who's clearly mine. Now, we don't know how old
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the child is. We don't know if it was being
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: hidden for a while and then it came to lawyers
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: and everything and they're like, you got to come forth
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: and maybe she knew. We don't know the back story
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: of them staying as a couple, her accepting that he's
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: had a child out of wedlock, whatever.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, good thing there's water in here.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: So everyone loves Dave Grohl as a person. He's funny
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: and a great musician and everything. So when I was
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: on Chelsea lately, we would have guest hosts. And I
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: wrote and produced and worked on that show as well
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: as appeared on it. So they were like, we love
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Dave Grohl so much. We're going to give him the
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: whole week that Chelsea has off. So he did an
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: entire week of shows. And the staff just loved him. Now,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: that week, I happened to be in New York because
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I had my second book coming out. And I was like, oh,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I'm so bummed I'm missing this fun week with Dave Grohl. OK,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: so here's... The scoop. So there was this one girl
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: that worked on the show, and she was very into music, very,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: very educated about rock and roll music.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: I'm sitting on the edge of my seat like we're
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: getting serious scoop.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Okay. And she was younger than– let me think. He's
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: about like 55, I think. And this girl at the–
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: so at the time he would have been like 45,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and this girl was like 30, 31. Okay. Maybe that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: And she was very like hip and very, very attractive.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: And I'm not going to say what she does or anything,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: but she's hopefully she's listening because I'm like, I need
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: to get some. And she was just so enthusiastic about
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: his music, knew everything. And afterwards she was going to
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the studio and, and we were like, girl, like, what
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: is going on? Because he's presenting himself at the show
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: where I, I had these three kids and he talked
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: about his wife and people knew people in our circle,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: like went to school with them. And I don't have
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: any facts that it was any, nothing more than him
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: inviting this young girl to see him play at the studio.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: You're killing me right now.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: But I remember just being like, I know everyone thinks
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: he's the exception to the rock star, but You think
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: it's this girl? No, no, I don't think it's this girl.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I know it's not this girl. But I'm saying— What
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: are you getting to the point? I'm getting at— I don't
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: think he was always this clean-cut guy, this exception to
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the rule, in my opinion, that he was this rock-and-roll
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: daddy that everyone— you know, I still think he can be
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: nice to everybody in his life. I still think he
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: can tip well. I still think he can be a
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: responsible businessman who's nice to his landscaper. I'm not saying that.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: But I'm saying there was this image that he was
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: kind of the exception to the rule that he was
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: this great dad.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: That he still liked the groupies.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: And I still, yeah, I think this isn't the first
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: time that he has fucked around.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: And even if this girl didn't fall for anything because
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: she knew he was married, I felt that it was unusual.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And I was like. We were like, he's trying to
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: fuck you. Like, what are you talking about? Why does
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: he need you to go? Why does he need your opinion?
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I'm like, why does he need your opinion on his
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: latest song? You, this pretty 30 year old girl.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Because she was an expert.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: That's why, Heather. She was an expert at his music
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and she knew better.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: So I'm just saying when I heard it, I was
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: probably one of the less surprised people. Because I think
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: he's had one of those marriages where, again, he's the
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: good dad. He is into his wife. But maybe they
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: had an understanding.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: But I want to know what the wife is thinking.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: The wife is beautiful blonde and very private.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: But what's she saying?
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: She's not saying anything because she's pretty private.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Is she angry?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: We don't know. It's very rare that she would– she
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: was not– she wasn't the wife trying to launch a
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: jewelry line. She wasn't the wife trying to be on Housewives.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: She was just like a pretty blonde wife that's been
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: around forever. I think it would be great. Come on, girl.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I think it would be great. You know, I always
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: say in these situations there are a lot of marriages,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: both public and not, with public people and not, where
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: there is like a don't ask, don't tell situation.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Where you're like, I don't really care. Just don't get
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: anyone pregnant. Don't be caught. Don't bring them to the home.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: And then something like this happens.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: And then as the wife, you're sometimes forced as like, well,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: now I have to divorce you, fucker.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Like, now I don't want people to think that I'm this,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: you know, pushover.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Headband wearing Hillary Clinton.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: She wore that headband. I'll never forget it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Right. And then people can interpret that any way they
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: want all these years later. They could have been like–
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: maybe she was like, of course I know he cheats.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be president, bitch.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Just watch. Just watch me. We don't know what her
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: plan was. Just like there's women that are like, I
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: don't want to fuck him either. I'm thrilled he has
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: a girlfriend. Like we don't know whatever– but then when
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: it becomes public– Everyone thinks the normal relationship, which is
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: you must be totally devastated. Your husband cheated on you.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: You poor girl that he lied to. We don't know.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: We don't know if she was being lied to.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: My jaw is– and let me tell you what. If
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I'm Dave Grohl's wife, you're going to hear it from me. Oh,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of course.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I'd be out.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I'd be like out. I don't know if I'd be out.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, sir. We're going to have some serious
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: talking to do and people are going to hear from me.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Because I'm mad at you because you're hot and you're mine.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: And now you have this little girl. And I'm not babysitting. Right.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And now. I'm not changing any diapers. And the thing
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: about when a child. And that baby better be named
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: after me. Baby Sutton.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: You know, it is crazy.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Because that girl is going to be saying my name
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: every day for the rest of her life.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Come on, baby Sutton.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: It's a good plan.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: I can't remember who was. Oh, you know what? That's
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: a juicy story. Adam Levine. There was gossip about Adam
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Levine a while ago. And this girl that came out
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: and said she had an affair with him. he said
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: oh my wife's pregnant and I like you know and
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: he was saying like he liked her name to name
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: the kid oh Oh, so then his wife would have
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: had a baby, but maybe possibly would have had the
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: name of this girl that his side.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, come on. That's not nearly as much.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yours is better.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Mine is way better.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I mean, it's it's happened before where
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: then the woman is like there's a there's also a
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: story that was a very juicy like crime that happened.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: There was this woman.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I love this show. I am like getting you don't
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: read this stuff. So I'm like, what can you tell me?
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: This is a very juicy crime and people are going
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: to remember it. There was this woman and she was
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: like an executive whatever. And she moved– like had money
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: and sold her company and she was like mid-40s, no kids,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: never been married. And she moved to like this quaint
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: like fisherman town on the East Coast. And she got
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: pregnant like at 45. And she had her two– she
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: had a baby. And when the baby was two, somebody
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: came in and killed her. And the baby lived. Turned
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: out nobody knew who the dad was, but it was
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: this local guy that was married and had five or
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: six kids. And at one time he was a suspect.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Turned out it was just like a random weirdo. It
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: was like a random weirdo that just like whatever. They
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: finally found someone through DNA. But it wasn't, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: it wasn't him. It wasn't his wife. It wasn't any
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: of his kids. But. They now raise the child, the
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: dad and his wife of six kids or five kids.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: They raise this child of her, which is, you know, beautiful.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: This child deserves a family.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Deserve to be with their dad.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: But it was an indiscretion, you know, or whatever. It
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: was an affair. And the mom and the wife was like,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: she's a saint. So it's, you know, or like you
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: think about the Tristan Thompson and Chloe and it's just,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: and even Wendy Williams. Wendy Williams knew that her husband
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: had girlfriends and a girlfriend on the side. But once
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: he got that girlfriend pregnant, that's when she was like,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm out. Now I have to divorce you.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Now I have to. So I, it'll be interesting to
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: see what happens.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Unless you're Dave Grohl.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll see. I predict, I predict that she will. Well, yes.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I think she's just like, you know what? This was
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: the sign I needed. This was the sign. She's probably like,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: God showed me a sign. And I'm happy the baby's healthy.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I'm happy, you know, my daughters absolutely can like visit
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: her or whatever. But I think she'll, it won't happen
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: right away, but like in like a year. And then
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: maybe she will become more public. And then next thing
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: you know, she's on a girl's trip with you.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: She should call me.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: She should. She would be an amazing, also because we
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: don't really know her, but she, I don't have a
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: photo of her, but she's very attractive.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And looks young. They've been married 23 years, but she
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: probably is maybe late 40s, early 50s max.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And she's going to have a lot of baby placenta
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to eat. Make those shakes.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: So anyway, there you go with the story.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Holy camoly.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Pretty juicy there.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: That threw me.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Now, Rachel Zoe. Did you hear about Rachel Zoe?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I did hear about this.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: So Rachel Zoe and her husband, Roger, after 33 years
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: together and 26 years married, they have decided the mutual
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: decision to end. their marriage they have two boys and
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: when we would watch their they were old school bravo
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: did you used to watch their show on bravo um
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: where it was her show then she then with brad
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: gresky and then and it was so funny like i
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: remember we did a sketch at chelsea lately where i
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: was rachel zo and our client was chewy and we
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: like had two people one person be brad and the
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: other girl, Jen Kirkman was her other assistant that had
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: like hair in her face. And it was like, I die,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: I die. And then she went on to do like
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: her own show kind of with him. And then of course,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: she built her empire with him in fashion. And a
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: couple years ago, I interviewed her. I was on her
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: show because she and her husband were starting a podcast
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: about great marriages and partnerships. And I remember asking her, like,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: she's like, no, like, They met in college. And it
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: was just kind of interesting because when we saw her
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: on the show, like, she was just this fashionista girl.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: And she was, you know, really thin and chic and
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: had this husband and had this fabulous life. And then
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: after that, she gave birth to two boys. And I
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, okay, I guess what we thought, really,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: they're just really this, like, couple.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: You never know. Whatever marriage is different.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: I've known them for years. a while now, like before
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: I moved to LA even. And Rachel's just so lovely
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: and sweet.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like talking to her. Yeah.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And I went one time, years ago, I went to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: their offices and I talked to Roger about my business
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and what I had all kinds of ideas that I
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: was trying to put together before I finally did what
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I did. And Roger was great with me. And, you know,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: he's a businessman.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: And so this is really kind of sad news, I think.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: And they were such.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: A family unit. But here's the thing, you know, so
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: was I. And I was, you know, I'd known my
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: husband since I was 13. And they had that kind
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: of we've known each other, we've grown up together kind
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: of thing. And I can't really talk about it because
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know much, but I'm sure that there's a
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: lot of sadness going on with this one.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I think where it's really shocking is like younger people.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: It like throws younger people off because they're like, what?
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: like I thought once you made it past this year,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: like Leah Remini and her husband just announced after 27 years,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: they're getting divorced. Did you see that? And so I
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: think when people feel like you get past 20 years
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: or something and they're only like 30 and they're on
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: their 30 year marriage, it's sort of like, yeah, wait, what?
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: You know, like I don't get that. And, you know, we,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: you know, it just, there is like a big movement.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: They call it silver divorce where it's like people in
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: their mid to late 50s.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I am learning all kinds of things today. Getting divorced.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: And it's because we, I think, you know, we live
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: longer and your kids are gone or were there growing
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: up and you're like, you never know. I mean, sometimes
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: it is very mutual. Sometimes it's not, you know, you
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: will never really know because that's why I think it
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: must be so hard to be a marriage counselor because there's,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: it's not like they're a doctor that they're like, well,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: this is how I treat, you know, breast cancer. It's
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: like they don't know. Every situation is totally different. You're
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: always dealing with different people and different dynamics and you
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: just don't know.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: And I think also women have changed a lot. And,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you know, my mother.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Was a pioneer of the women's movement and working women.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: And even since she did that, I think in the past,
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: I would say even 15 years, we've seen women really
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: get strong And so I think relationships have taken a
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: toll because of that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: You know, when you– and Rachel and Roger really built
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: that together.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I know. I think that's what makes it really sad
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: is because she– even though she was the face of it,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: it was a lot– given a lot of credit to him.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: And again, like I said, when I interviewed her maybe two,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: three years ago, it was like, oh, my God, you've
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: been together so long. Like, this will never not work.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: And– The thing is that people are always changing and evolving.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: And sometimes you just really are not changing together.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: That's what happened in my marriage. We just we didn't
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: change together. And it happens a lot. And, you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I think people are always looking for the salaciousness or
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: something that, you know, bad that happened. Sometimes it's just
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: this natural cause of development that it just didn't.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: You just do that.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: You grow in separate ways and it's okay.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Some people stay together even though they have separated in
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: their hearts and minds.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: They stay together.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Because it is just easier sometimes with homes and financial stuff.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I think they do that until one falls in love
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: with someone who's like, I'm not okay with this. You
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, I think there's a lot
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: of people that do kind of have that separate lives. Like,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I'll be at the lake house, whatever. We're cool. I
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: don't care. You bug the shit out of me and whatever.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: Or sometimes you just have to be honest with yourself
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: and say, you know what?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: We've had a good run. Yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: But I don't want to do this.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Anymore.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I want to.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Because even if you can do the lake house and
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: you're here, maybe you want to live a different.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Life that brings you joy. and happiness a second round. Yeah.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah. That's okay.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Well, because I'm saying, like, you live so long that,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, you could have a whole nother second marriage that's,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: you know, longer than your first.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Like, who's just, why shouldn't you? And so, yeah, I
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: think it's really interesting. I think that's the reason why
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: we are so fascinated by Real Housewives because we get to,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: we really relate, especially like my, you know, being a
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: woman demographic, we relate so much. I think to other demographics,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: it's just pure entertainment. And then to people like me,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh my God, I know what this friendship's about.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I know what this deception's about. I've lived it myself
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: or with a friend. And that's why we get so
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: involved when you guys share, you know, these big things
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: about your life. And then to other people, it's like, oh,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: my God, I like the outfits, you know, and I
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: throw the drink.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: There has to be a mix, I think, of both
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of those things because if all we did was, you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the really vapid clothes and drinks and that– That would
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: only last so long.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: We can only watch that for so long. There has
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: to be some depth to it.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: We have to give something of ourselves in order to
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: balance that. I think that's how the show works.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Now, after five years, what has been, like, you know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: when you decided to do this and now five years later,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: what has been, like, the greatest surprise about it that you, like,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: a positive surprise that you wouldn't have expected?
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think every season is different. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: I learn something different about myself every season. And I
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: keep growing because I'm on this show.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: That's really cool. It seems like we focus more on
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: the people whose lives just seem to crumble and don't thrive.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, my life isn't perfect.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: And there's a lot of struggles that I'm always.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: um, working on. Um, but I like to learn and, um,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and I, and I like the sort of the, the,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the unexpected, um, Kyle and I, I did a live yesterday.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I'm an ambassador for NAMI, which is a mental health organization.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I saw that, um, post of yours and, you know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I said suicide prevention yesterday was, um.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: World suicide prevention day. And, um, And I asked Kyle
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: if she would join in on my life.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: And she did because her very best friend committed suicide
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: and my father committed suicide.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: And, you know, I said to Kyle, one of the greatest,
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: coolest things about being on this show is that I
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: get to talk about this. And it's something that I
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: never talked about before. Not with my family, rarely with
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: my friends, really rarely with myself. And all of a sudden,
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about suicide and strange position to be in.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: And I'm an ambassador for NAMI. So that part is,
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: to me, very rewarding. And as many trials and tribulations
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: as I have been through doing this.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Show, that's so rewarding. So I love that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: And, you know, talking about marriage, you know, when I
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: started the show, I was like, I will never get
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: married again.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. And now I'm like, maybe. I've softened. About men,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not as scared of men.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: And I think like I'm open to love, which when
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: I started, I think I was really maybe a little
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: bit bitter and scared and not willing to listen to men.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: And now I am. So all of these things have
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: come up. And that's why I love doing it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: What is one of the negatives that you didn't expect?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: and when you said yes to being on the show?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I think the negatives have been I didn't know that,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and I can include myself in this, that women can
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: be so cruel to women.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: And I include myself in that. I didn't know that
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: I had that capacity. I didn't know that I was
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: able to throw.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Cruelty As quickly as I have done.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: I have surprised. That's very big of you to say that.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Well, you know.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know that I've ever heard a housewife admit
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: that they've been on the other side and not just
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: the receiving side. It seems like a lot of women
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: are like, I was bullied and da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: And it's kind of weird to see like women in
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: their 50s talking about being bullied. But we do see it.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever bullied, but I have, you know.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: But, no, I like that you say, you know, I've
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: said things that, you know, were cruel.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: I've said things I've regretted. And they've come out of
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: my mouth. And I've gone home thinking, who are you?
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: I don't say it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't do that.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: That's not me.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: But it makes you. look at that.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Part of yourself that has been living in there somewhere.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That emerged.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: And, you know, so that part isn't fun. And it's
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: not fun to receive so much. I went through a
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: couple of seasons where it was really difficult to show up.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like there was a time where it
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: did feel a little like what was the whole Fox
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Force Five?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I always get the name wrong. I
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: don't know why.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I think I'm saying it wrong.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Why is it a fox?
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: And the Fox Force Five was Dorit, Kyle, Erica.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Lisa and Teddy.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Lisa and Teddy. Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: And Lisa and Teddy are.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: No longer on.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: It wasn't the nicest.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: And I think when you know that there's a Fox
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Force Five, I would assume that the producers got wind
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: of that and didn't like it. You know, how are
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: you supposed to actually like be part, it almost felt
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: like We're the cheerleaders that went from, you know, we're
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: the senior cheerleaders and you guys are just joining the
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: teams as junior. And we're going to summer camp. Yeah. And,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: you know, you're not going to be able to come
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: into our dorm room after practice. Like, it felt a
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: little like I remember being like, what is that? Because
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's why you and Garcelle were like,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: what the fuck is like? What?
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: I think that, you know, Garcelle and I didn't really
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: bond until the end of. our first season together. And
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: it was actually, like, in Rome, we had a dinner
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: right before we went to Rome. And we just started laughing.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: We just realized that we were funny.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Like, we thought we were funny.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: And so then in Rome, we really, like, just were
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: hanging out together. I think it was hard for us
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: to kind of infiltrate because those women had known each
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: other for so long, which I understood. But then it
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: was really after that that it started to get a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: little bit more mean and then it got a lot
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: more mean and a lot more meaner towards me. And
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't quite know how to defend myself. I was
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: bad at it and it was very hurtful to me
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: a few times. I didn't quite know. I just was
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: so meek.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: And You know, I had been through a really painful
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: divorce and, you know, I'd sold my house.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: You know, I just felt real broken.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: And so I was not good at sticking up for myself.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: And then would you regret those moments that then were,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: you know, sketched in time? And let me tell you,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: if there was a camera following me every time, I
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: might have pull to Sutton too, where when I heard
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: about Dorit, if I was going through something crazy too,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I might've inadvertently, you know, I think the biggest thing
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: that they do about these shows, they always get you,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: stop making it about yourself. And it's like, well, sometimes
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: it just happens that you just say something or you say,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I lost a pet too. Why are you making it
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: about yourself? Well, shit. Like, I don't know. Isn't that
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: being like, I'm trying to relate.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: So you were, so you, that was a moment when
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: it's isolated, doesn't look great. Dorit, you know, was robbed
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: at gunpoint.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: That was a bad, bad moment for me.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: And Kyle came over and you were like, yeah, I'm like,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: my Paris designer is like stuck in customs or whatever.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: So awful.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: And.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: It was really, that was not good.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: But what do you, I mean, but when it's caught
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: on tape and there forever, how do you just. Yeah. Go, yeah.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Like, I guess that's what you have to do. Yeah,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I said it. Like, I said it. I regret it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: And like, whatever. I'm sorry.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: That was probably the lowest moment of my life. What
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I said, you know.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Especially because my father actually did take a gun and
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: put it in his mouth and blew his brains out. So,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you know, for me to say that.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Flippantly. What was I thinking?
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: It was terrible.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Terrible moment for me.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: So that's, I mean, you know, big of you to, again,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: to like admit that. And then when we had the
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: moment that did turn very comedic, which was the name-em.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember what she, so Kyle came over
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: and she was like, you're acting, you've acted strangely.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: It was after.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: What was she asking you?
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: It was after Las Vegas.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, Las Vegas with the magic mic.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Again, see, when I'm going through something, I am not focused.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: And you were going through the fact that your husband
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: was saying that he wanted the youngest to come live
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: with him in London?
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And me. And me.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: And I was like– and I had just learned it before,
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: like right before getting on the plane to go to
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: Vegas and you know he's a very formidable ex and
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: I just thought this this really could happen to me And.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: You might have to leave the show and leave your life.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: Leave the show, leave my business, leave my house, you know,
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: leave my horse, leave my dogs.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Leave my cats and, you know, leave my life.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: And I just and I lost it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I lost it.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Do you have any desire to go back?
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: To see Magic Mike?
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: And yeah, and split and spread your legs and have them.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't like the spreading of the legs. I just didn't.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I just, I'm sorry. I know. The show is actually
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: really good. Yeah. It's just that moment. I was like,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I'm out.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Right. And I also think when you are going through something,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: now emphasize it by you're at a girls weekend. And
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I think we've, like what I loved about that Vegas weekend. Oh, God. Is,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I just want to say.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: I thought it was so relatable where you're on a
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: girls' weekend, whether it's a birthday or a bachelorette or something,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: and someone is kind of– Did.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I say I liked this show because I'm really starting
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: to– I'm just kidding. No, no, no.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: But I'm saying– well, I'm going to give you a
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: compliment or make it relatable. I think people have been there. Yeah.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: They've been on that girls' trip where one person– is
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: just a little off and then have, you know, a
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: couple of drinks and a little bit emotional. And it's like,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I just, I just want to leave. And it can
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: happen a lot in Vegas. It's those Vegas weekends can
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: be really great or, you know, or they can go sideways.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: And there's this stress to have fun. You gotta have fun.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't feel like having fun.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: You weren't feeling like having fun.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: And then you were just like, you know what?
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have had those moments, too, where I'm like,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: someone says something wrong, and I'm like, you know what?
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: I'm out.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: Like, I'm out.
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: But there's one funny thing that, you know, I was
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: so— I was not in the right state of mind, and
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: now I look back and it's so funny when I said.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: It is not about the pants.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: It's just so funny.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Because you did wear the pants and you're supposed to
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: wear the pants if you want to be brought up
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: on stage.
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: And so they were like, you're sad that you were
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: brought up on stage. I was not sad.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm not going up on the
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: stage next. That's not happening.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. So after you saw what's happening, you were like,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: I definitely want out. Got it. I'm not doing that.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. I don't want anything to do with this.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Got it. Yes. It was not about the pants. Let's
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: talk a little bit about The Golden Bachelorette.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Are you familiar? It's coming out soon. This is Joan. She's,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: I think, about 60.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Fit, pretty blonde, and she is the first golden bachelorette.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Did you ever watch any of the golden bachelors? I didn't.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't. It's the worst.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: No, no, it's fine. But, you know, the bachelorette as
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: a franchise, according to this LA Times article, which I
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: know that you like to read entire articles.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, maybe not on the.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Golden bachelorette, but yes. But you have a, you know,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: you get the LA Times.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: So this, I have not read this whole article, but
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: it's basically, it says, can the... Golden Bachelorette, Joan Vasos,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: help restore the luster of Bachelor Nation. So they just
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: recently they just had a, you know, a young Bachelorette
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: go through. And I I used to cover The Bachelor,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: The Bachelorette and stuff. And I feel like as a franchise,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: it's it's, you know, loss is momentum. It's been around forever,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: And I have to admit something else. I've never watched
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor or The Bachelorette.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: That's fine.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: No, I feel like I've been missing out on life.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: So now there's the golden, and I think it's brilliant
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: because it's a TV show, it's once a week, and
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of young kids don't watch traditional TV anyway.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: So they should be catering to an audience that still
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: enjoys watching regular TV on a weekly basis, not in
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: a binge. And so she's going to go meet, and
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I saw some of the guys, they all, like, Are
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: they handsome? Yeah, they're like handsome and put together.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, where do the remnants go?
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Where do the what?
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Her remnants go.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Her remnants?
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Her remnants, the things that get tossed.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. Heather, keep up.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: The ones, I don't know. So then maybe they'll, one
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: of them will probably be chosen to be, if they're
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: very popular, will probably be chosen to be the golden bachelor.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I am asking for myself.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. So then you could, that's what
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: could be exciting is that you'll have access to these people.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll all have Instagram. Okay. And you can
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: find them. She was one of the bachelor, she was
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: one of the girls that the that the golden bachelor
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: male didn't choose. And I had, I had predicted her
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: way on that she would get it. Really? Yes. Because
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: I thought she was, you know, pretty enough and hip enough, but, um,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: that they could do a variety of guys, a few younger,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: a few older. And also she, but she didn't last
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: long because she had to like leave her daughter needed
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: her or something. So she didn't stay like till the
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: end because normally they pick one that's like the reject,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: like the final two usually gets the reach, like the
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: runner up. And so the guys look attractive and like
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: put together and hip and kind of a variety of men.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: And so I'm wondering, we got to see you go
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: on some dates on the show.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Where are you in your dating life? And would you
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: ever go on like, you know, what they're doing with Luann?
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I'm on Juicy Scoop is where I am with my
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: dating life.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: That's all you need. That's about it. That's all you need. Yeah, because,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: you know, there's always a situation like this, which I
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: feel like they're kind of doing a version of this.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: It sounds like they're doing the Golden Bachelorette meets, you know,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Love Island right now on Peacock. And they just arrived
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: in Cabo with, Shannon Bedore and Luann.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: And Giselle and Ashley from Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh, God.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: And they're going to all date.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Now, you wouldn't want to do that.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I would think about it. Okay. May I
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: choose the cast?
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, that you'd be with?
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Who would you want to be? Let's just say, who
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: would you want to be with?
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I'd want to go with Garcelle.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Okay. Garcelle. You, Garcelle.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Me, Garcelle. You get two more. I get two more.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: And then you have to be single.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Well, like, I'm like me, Garcelle, Erica.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Because, actually, I like hanging out with Erica. I love that.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I like Erica, too. I've got me, Garcelle, Erica. I mean,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: how bad can I set myself up for failure? It's like.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: This is the worst idea I've ever had. Just pick
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: one more.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Pick one from a different city. From a different city,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: not from Beverly Hills.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Okay. Who else is out there in the world? Who
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: else is single that's a housewife? Give me one. Okay.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Well– But they're all– see, they're– Well, we have from OC.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: All these girls are taken right.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Now on OC. But they all look like that. And
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: so everybody's going to.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: You look beautiful, though. You're a hot piece of ass.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Well, but see, here's the thing. I am not well endowed,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: and I think men can be very shallow.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: How about your boobies?
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Well, they like boobies, I think.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: You don't want to get a boob job? You never
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: want to get a boob job?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get, you know, a tetanus shot.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, you don't want to get— oh, okay. No, I'm not
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: encouraging it. I'm just saying in Beverly Hills, maybe you're
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: one of the few housewives that don't have— A.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Facelift and boob jobs and all kinds of stuff like that.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I like, you know— You know, like, I'm an intellectual.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: I like to talk about smart stuff and art.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we'd have to go somewhere.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: I think you'd be funny. If they do another version,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: they'll cast it for you.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Funny?
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're funny.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I would be seriously looking for a man. This is not.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: I know, but I'm like, you're funny to watch. So
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: let's talk about Real Housewives of OC. You are watching it,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: you said.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I am watching it, yeah.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: And what are your initial thoughts of what is happening
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: this season with Shannon and Alexis and Tamara.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: Well, my favorite part so far has been my dog
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: that got out of, she, my dog, I was on
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: one scene.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: And my dog was on, was, made her debut and
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: she's just hilarious.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, because you know, Katie.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: I have met Katie.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. Katie, the new girl you knew prior.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: How did you guys know each other?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: So, the golf world.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: And Katie had reached out to me and asked me
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: to be in a celebrity golf tournament, which if you
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: want to see something comical, that's really what you should watch,
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: me playing golf. And so I did that and I
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: got to know her and her husband sort of in
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: the golf world. And she was living in San Diego
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: and she's from Georgia. So I got to know her
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: that weekend. We went to dinners and stuff like that.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: So she, you know.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: And was she interested in being on Housewives back then?
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: She mentioned something, you know, like, I've always thought about it.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: And I said, well, I hope you've got a second
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: set of skin because you're going to have to go
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: put it on because it's tough work. And so I
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: went and I filmed with her.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: So then she went forward with it. Got it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: And then she asked when she was going through the
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: interview process. I don't know if I was like I
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: wrote about her or something. I helped. Like, yes, I
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: know her. Right. You know, they're good people.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: It's like a sorority recommendation.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: And but now. Watching this season, I find it very
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: difficult to watch and what they're doing to Shannon Bedore.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: I found it, to be quite honest, disgusting and overboard,
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: not necessary, not fun to watch. I'm unclear why they
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: fund it. why these women want to do that to her.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: I just, I think it's a button beyond.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: I really think it was just a complete misestimation on
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Tamara and Alexis' part of what this would result in
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: with the fans. I think they thought, you know, the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: fans will never forgive Shannon for her DUI and therefore let's,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: you know, let's get you on the show. Let's, you know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: make everyone love Johnny J. And the thing is.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: It's just hard to watch. Right.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: And the thing is, is that it was like, in
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Shannon's defense, she did not talk shit about her boyfriend,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: John Jansen, ever on the show with cameras. She did not. She,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: off camera... would share and vent to who she thought
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: were her girlfriends. Emily, Heather Dubrow, Tamara, whatever. And at
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: one time we were close, and from our generation, we
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: talk on the phone, we vent. That's what women, Gen
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: X women do, okay? And her personality is like, let
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: me tell you, let me share. And I think sometimes
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: to get some sympathy, to be a little dramatic, that's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: just her personality. And I think, so she shared... These
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: things of her concerns about the relationship, meaning like, I
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: do pay for all these things or he isn't that
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: nice to me or whatever she said. And then they
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: started talking about it. And she even said, like previous episodes,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: previous season, she was like, what are you doing talking
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: about my relationship? Now my relationship is over. He'll be furious.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: So she, in her mind, I think she thought she
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: was protecting him. him in the relationship because she did
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: not speak negatively him on camera. She did not go
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: to coffee and rip on John. But then they talked
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: about it and then it got out. And now he feels,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: oh my God, the world thinks I'm this asshole who
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: talks about her weight and didn't pay for things when
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: that's not me at all. Look how lovely I am
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: to my new girlfriend, Alexis Bellino. And in fact, I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: gave her this money, you know, for this facelift and
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: I want it back. And then it becomes this weird,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: gross legal thing. And yeah, the way it's, the audience
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: is a hundred percent, it appears, 95 pro Shannon, because
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: you're like, why, why, why is this being brought up,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: you know? And, but when you bring it up on camera,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: then it.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: Listen, I mean, it's, it's no holds barred, you know, once,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: once it's, Once you say something on camera.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: And that's why I want to ask you, because I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: think one of the other thing people don't realize is
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: like when they're like when someone does say something, you know,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: on whatever show it is. And they're like, I heard
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: a rumor that, you know, whatever. Jenny's boyfriend is seeing
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: guys at the gym. Then they're like now. If you're
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: privy to her saying that, then it's almost like now
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: you feel like, right, I better go tell Jenny that
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: this has been said on camera yesterday because otherwise she's
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: going to see it years later and be like, how
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: could you sit there and not warn me? So I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: better warn them, but I better warn them on camera
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: to not piss off the producers, right?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that this is a reality show. It's
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: not scripted.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: And so women– are going to do what's natural. And
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: I don't think that producers come into it, at least
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: not in my brain. I think that you protect yourself as.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: You need to.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: But you also have a choice in what you want
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: to say and also in your actions. You don't have
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: to do these things. You can make different choices.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: And so... if somebody says something, you don't have to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: jump on it.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: You can just say, you know, and just say, I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: wish you hadn't said that and go home and go
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: to bed and wake up the next day.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: But then do you feel like if something was said
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: salacious rumor or not about a fellow housewife that you
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: are close to, do you feel like it's sort of
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: your moral obligation to then let them know that now
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: this is probably part of the season. And I better
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: let you know that they're chatting about this. I feel
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: like your show hasn't had it as much as like
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: New Jersey and things like that, where then someone says
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: it and then they're like, and in this case, they're like,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: we're all talking about this video of Shannon supposedly acting
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: horribly on a ring camera at John's house. It's got
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: to get out there. She's got to know. Otherwise, it's
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: like she's walking around and, you know.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that didn't bother me that they told
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: Shannon that they're talking about that.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: No, I think that they should have.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: That seems like the admirable thing to do.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: You have to. That's what I'm saying. I feel like
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: you have to after a certain amount of time. I
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: feel like they feel.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Like we've got to let her in on that.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that she is not completely blindsided. God, it's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: just so awful.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: It's just so awful to watch and That's why I'm
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: glad she's in Cabo with Luann.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, having fun.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: And hopefully like getting some attention and being funny and
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: away from this. And of course this was, you know,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: filmed like, you know, whatever, nine months ago or whatever.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I think she's definitely like in a
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: better place. But yeah, it really, it's just like, yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: It's like when somebody steps on your foot and it hurts.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: That's how I feel like when I watch it sometimes.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: But I like the other parts.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Like, I love, like, Katie's kind of funny. Yeah. And
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I think Gina's really funny.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: And Emily's hilarious. And, you know, I love Heather Dubrow.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: She's a friend of mine, and I love her.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: She's just so.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Now, there was always talk that she might jump over
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: and join Beverly Hills because she has a home in Beverly.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Hills or two homes.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: And, you know, which they rarely do that.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, I was pushing for it. I thought
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: it would have been good. I love Heather.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: I think she's great. And Terry, they just came to
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: a store event that I did. And just supportive and, like,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: good people.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: And she's funny, too. Yeah. I mean, and Heather and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I are very oddly alike. We're kind of– Very like.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: I can see that.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: Like we are very.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: High strung and we like things the way we like them.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: So I like, you know, I like that part. And,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: you know, I have met Tamara several times and I
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: like her.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: Because I'm like, stop doing this. You know, can we
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: just give Shannon a break maybe?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Tamara still. I think Tamara went down
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: this road because I think she was still really hurt
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: that when they. didn't ask her back for two years,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: I think she felt like Shannon kind of blew her off.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: When she wasn't on the show, I think she felt,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: and it's a fact, Shannon wasn't communicating with her. And
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: then when she came back, then they, you know, had
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: their fun on the show. But I think it was almost,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of like, you know, no, that
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: was uncool because, you know, Tamara was the first one
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: on it. I mean, Tamara, I met Shannon because Tamara
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: was like, called me and was like, oh, I saw
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: that you tweeted that you want to go to the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: USC-UCLA game. The new girl on our show has tickets.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: Do you want to come with us? So that's how
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: I met Shanna Bedore.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Did she go to USC?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she did. And so I think Tamara, you know,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: is that girl that feels like I was a really,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: really good friend to you for such a long time.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: But this plan is just not... It went sour, yeah.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: It went really, really bad. And now they're engaged, Alexis
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: and John Hanson. And, you know, I'm sure she'll come.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll have them back on the show. And
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll make Alexis a cast member and they'll
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: have a wedding. And Tamara will be a bridesmaid.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Here's a true story.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: About myself.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: So I'm in a small friend group and there's just
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: four of us. And It finally came out that my
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: ex-husband has been dating one of the girls in my
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: friend group. And to the other women, we were like,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: are there not any other fish in the sea? Like,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: can you not date somebody else?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a small group. It's a, you know,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: there's other women to date. So that part, I'm.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Like, really?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Whatever his name is. Is his name John? I don't know.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, John.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: You know, can you not date a housewife?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Just think about that one for a second.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, I will say Shannon and Alexis were not friends.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: They were not like on the show together at the time.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. We're all in a family together.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Right, right. Yeah.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: We just are. It's like unwritten rule. Right. But, you know.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: So how do you feel about that girlfriend that's now
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: dating your ex?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Well, she's no longer a girlfriend.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, that's just weird. It's just weird. No.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: And so did the two other girls have to break
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: it to you that she was dating?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: No, my children broke it to me, actually. And I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: broke it to my girlfriends. You know, it's fine. We're
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: all adults.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: But it's just a weird thing. It is weird, but
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: it happens a lot because I think it is familiarity.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: And you know each other. And if this girl's your friend,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: she's probably similar to you.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: She doesn't want to be.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: To you.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you know what I mean?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Personality wise, like it's like, and I think that's why
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: people go, oh my God, I can't believe, you know,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: you often hear, oh, you know, and then he married
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: my mom's best friend. Like that isn't like that uncommon.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not dead. Yeah. Yeah. That does happen when
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: people die.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Well, I want to jump to one last thing before
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: I let you go because I am watching– oh, first
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: of all, let me just say this. You watch Real
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Housewives of Miami at all? This guy was the plastic
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: surgeon married to Lisa.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: And he– That one is?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: With the hat on?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: I mean that's very filtered. Here's another photo of them.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh. And then this girl used to come to their
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: sexy Halloween parties. And then he left his wife of
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: 14 years with two kids.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: I want to thump my forehead on the microphone. Sexy
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Halloween parties. God.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: And then they were together and they got engaged. And
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: now they're not getting married anymore. And she was already
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: like already posted a photo of her on a boat
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: with some younger guy. And. So everyone's just like, oh,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: my gosh, you know. Okay. Good. I'm glad it didn't
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: work out because they were like 30 years apart. Yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: of course. But there was video of them like about
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: two weeks ago that someone got of them like waiting
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: for their car or something at a restaurant. And the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: body language was like, oh, these two hate each other.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Or she hates him for sure. And he doesn't know
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: what to do. So they're done. Now, this is this
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: beautiful girl, Chelsea. She's on Selling Sunset. And I know
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: you're not watching it, but I want to tell you
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: why I find this super interesting. It already has come
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: out that she and her husband are getting divorced.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, she looks 12.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: She's gorgeous.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: She's gorgeous and she's English and she actually does really
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: sell real estate. Okay. So, and she had this husband
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: who was, you know, rich, but look wise, not in
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: her league, but whatever. He was featured on the show.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: And what's really interesting about this season, and I encourage
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: people to watch it because I think it's really juicy.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: is this other girl that, you know, the thing about
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: Selling Sunset, it's kind of like Housewives, except with tinier outfits.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Except they have jobs. And they kind of have jobs.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Jobs are exaggerated as realtors. I think they have their license,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: but the tiny twins that run Oppenheimer Group, they just
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: give them listings, which never happens in real life real estate.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: Nobody gives you a listing. So, you know, and then
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: they're like, it's $ 8 million, and they walk around.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: But.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: It's a very entertaining show because you see all this
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: beautiful real estate in L.A. Like real estate porn. Yes. Girls, girls.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: That's why I call it real estate porn, fashion porn.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: The girls are pretty. But then they have these relationships
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: and this really juicy thing like unfolded on camera, which
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: is this one girl, Brie, goes and has lunch with
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: her friend. And the friend is like, my friend texted
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: me and said that they saw Chelsea's husband in the
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: W Hotel making out with a woman. And now it's
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: on camera. So then that girl, Bree, felt I got
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: to tell her, but she told her on camera. So
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: there is this moment where it is so real that
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: she has, she's like, I knew there was a disconnect,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: but I had no idea, you know, that I didn't,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: I had no, I didn't suspect cheating, but I knew
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: we were having a little disconnect. And she's like, the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: problem with our marriage happened in the last two years
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: when she became famous, like being on the show. Like
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: he wasn't– she calls it work. But we know the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: work really means not having an open house on Sunday.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: It means being famous on TV, you know, and doing
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: all the stuff that comes along with being on TV.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: And so that's where I was kind of saying about
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: saying the things on camera because then there's discussion of
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: like this girl should have called her. Privately. Privately, yes. Yeah.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: Because it is such a big deal.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: And it did– it definitely resulted in she's divorced or
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: getting divorced.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: And I think it– so I thought it was just
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: such an interesting thing. But I also think take TV
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: out of it. There's always the old question of if
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: you knew your husband– your friend's husband was cheating, do
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: you tell? Because then if they get back together– then
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: guess what? They're never going to want you to be
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: in their life. They're going to blame you for telling.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: And that's exactly what's happening. She's starting to blame the girl, Brie,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: for telling. And it's like, because told it on camera,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: but still it's like, don't shoot the messenger. Like, do you,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: have you ever been in the position where you're like,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: you know, cause I do think that's, you always think
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: you're doing the right thing. You tell your girlfriend, your
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: girlfriend's like, you're the best friend ever. Thank you for
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: telling me. But then it's, Unless they divorce their cheating
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: husband or break up with their cheating boyfriend, somehow if
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: they get back together, somehow it seems oftentimes the guy goes,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: it was your friend that ruined this. Or they're so
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: embarrassed that they stay with the cheating asshole that they
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: really can't be friends with the girl that broke the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: news to them. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I would definitely tell my friend.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Have you ever had to tell your friend?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: It's a really hard position to be in. I think
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: it's a really– it's always one of those advice questions
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: where you're like, I don't know. Because if you tell– But.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Would I want to know?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: On the other side, I would want my friend to
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: tell me.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Yes. But as you– as a person who has the info,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: I think people don't realize what a hard position– It
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: is to have the info for what could happen. Your
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: initial thought is like, girl, you know, or like, God forbid,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: you see it with your own eyes.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Back to Tiffany Haddish and in that movie, Girl's Trip.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: I'm her with a bottle of wine, breaking it open,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: running over to the husband going, what are.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: You doing with that girl?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I would be more angry and I would
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: confront my friend's husband in public.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: I would do that in one million years.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: If you went to a restaurant and saw him.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Every day for the rest of my life, I would
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, hello. Who is this? Yeah, I'm right here.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Are you going to tell her or am I?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Because that's what's about to happen right now.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: You don't want to mess with me too much sometimes.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: I actually think that you hit the nail on the head.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: I actually now think if you're ever in this position,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: you need to contact the husband, whether it's by phone
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: or in person, and say, I know you're fucking around
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: on my friend. If you're going to end it, great.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: I don't care, but you got to tell her. You
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: got to tell her or I am. So let me
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: know when you're going to tell her because then it
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: does come from him and they can deal with it
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: and you're not the one that's like, bearing the bad message,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: but he knows. You still may lose both your friends.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: They still might get together and he may convince her
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: that you're the problem, but if he is the one
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: coming and confessing... It will all come out in the wash.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: It will all come out in the wash, Heather.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: But I think that is the better thing to do,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: is make him do the whole thing. Either you're telling
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: her or I am. And it should really come from you.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: It'll be less humiliating... If it comes from you, privately,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: your husband.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: You dirty lion dog.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Warning to all of my friends' husbands. Yes.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: I agree. Sutton, you're so cute. So tell everybody, like,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: what is going on with you, how they can get
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: your clothes, follow you, everything.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: So I know everybody's like, oh, she's gone out of business.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Wait, what was that? You just moved locations? Or what
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: was that about?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: So what we're doing, I don't have a storefront anymore.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: It's all online. And, you know, I've been working on
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Sutton Brands, which is my second company. And I have
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: a business partner who's in Houston, Texas. And that's what
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: we do, all of our circular fashion, which is all sustainable.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: And so that's excess returns and excess inventory that we
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: remanufacture with my label, SuttonGreenLabel.com.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: So you look for... style that matches your, how do
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: you pick the items?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Well, some of them are returns. So he is in
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: the return business. with Retail Reworks. And so some of
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: them are actual returns. And then some are excess inventory.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Both of these things, there's so much out there.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: And is it designer or across the gamut?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just some are designers that we know. But
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: this is all above board. Everybody knows what we're doing
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: and what our company does.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: But they're going to get put on boats and sent
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: to landfills, not in this country but in other countries.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: And it's a huge problem.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: Fashion is the number two pollutant on our earth.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: What's number one, the planes?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Probably stuff like that. And I should know that answer.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: I know. But it's, you know, pollutants that have been
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: around for a long time. And so I want to
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: be a part of the solution and not part of
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the problem. And so I've really been focusing on that.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: So I'm taking all of like my boutique is going
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: to be online and then all of the circular fashion
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: is online. So it's just easier. I don't need the
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: storefront for it. I don't have the room for it,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: to be honest.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, we've been doing live shopping.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the wave of the future for shopping.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: That's what people do. It's fun.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: I've been doing a few of them and it's fun
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: to go live and shop and shop with me.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Right. So we're doing that. And Cynthia Bailey has a
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: line with me under certain brands. So it's the Cynthia
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Bailey collection. And that's all you can find it on SuttonGreenLabel.com.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: So it's just gotten bigger.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: And so it's more of a success than anything. In
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: the back of the courtyard where my storefront was, I
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  Speaker 1: have a beautiful office back there where people can go
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  Speaker 1: by appointment. And I'll have, you know, my samples will
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  Speaker 1: be there. And I'll still do like pop-ups in my
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  Speaker 1: courtyard and do my events that I love to do.
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  Speaker 1: So alive and kicking and actually kind of killing it. Good.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. I think that's great.
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  Speaker 1: It's really fun and it's more, I think, modern.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And not as old-fashioned shopping. Yeah. But I'll have my
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  Speaker 1: jewelry displays and all that. So it's really pretty. And
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  Speaker 1: we'll have chances to– you can come back and see
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  Speaker 1: the space when I do my events and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's fun. It's really fun.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Sutton. You're always such a juicy delight.
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