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EL TREN DE LA VIDA 06-06-24 · EL TREN DE LA VIDA

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Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
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train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
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want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
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a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
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and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope.
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This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so
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many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us authentic free come
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on, I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all,
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which will certainly take you to safe harbour. This is the train of
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life. Or very good morning, Spain, good day, friends and friends,
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from the place Rincón del Solar, country of Barcelona, for all the
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towns and cities of Spain, this wonderful country, our, this mosaic of
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cultures that is Spain. Let' s go there, let' s walk
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together, traveling at train rate. Let' s go with me, ladies,
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gentlemen and gentlemen, ladies, of course, welcome to this traveling train.
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I keep remembering it because it' s no small thing. Thirty-
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two long years are not five, not ten or twenty that would already be
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a record. Let' s see me. I want to self apply something,
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but I think that some kind of prize has to be recognized that we
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have been traveling with many friends and I tell you in these thirty- two
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years, since a thousand nine hundred and ninety- two in the spring,
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just as now really, in April of a thousand nine hundred and ninety-
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two, in the spring, in the previous of the Olympic Games of Spain
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and the Universal Year of the Expo of Seville. There was the train of
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life. Already and during the Olympic Games we interviewed some plus marquis who were
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evangelicals, that we had it by sport via telephone, some even face-
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to- face in study to athletics of various athletic disciplines that good, that
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they gave testimony of their faith and such and of the Games that in itself
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was, because it is the great quotation of most remarkable of the world sport.
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The Olympic Games that this year will be in Paris are almost at the
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door. No, but the truth is, he' s here by the
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side of the house. We won' t see if we can make some
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capes. I don' t know anyway, this is another harinea from another
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postcard. But the question is that we have spoken with I do not exaggerate
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with many have been and are recurring, because we have reached out to many
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friends, journalists, writers, artists, theologians, pastors, ordinary people who
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have things to tell us. We have been told testimonies of lives transformed in
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an amazing way countless of them, but we have also had doctors, doctors
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specialists in all disciplines and good psychologists, psychiatrists, etcetera. An endless number
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of characters from all disciplines and, of course, Christian pastors, evangelicals and
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pastors, since many clearly yes, counselors, relatives, masters in family terapaya,
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well an endless, all kinds of specialties and we have approached. I
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believe that almost all the issues that have been and have been and now,
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we continue, we continue thirty- two years later. Yes, it is
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true that when I have not been able or can not because I am travelling
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or I am on the Moon or Jupiter, or on Mars or somewhere else,
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because obviously, we have made a pre- recorded. We have not
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put on a pre- recording by selecting some of the best programs, as
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we do occasionally, but we have never, ever, ever missed the appointment.
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Three hours of Magaxin every week. Well, that' s what you
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celebrate with me and say. Well then, may Christ live and may God
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bless. This you know. Spanish television, the good news program of Spanish
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television. He gave us a monographic program that will be released at the end
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of June also this June. He gave us a monographic program of people who
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have known the Lord some socially outstanding people. There are all normal and ordinary
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people, which is the world. It' s full of ordinary people.
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But we selected a man, socially very prominent, who met the gentleman through
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this program, SERGEI Barnills, who has a program here on our station.
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Also fortnightly of art and very beautiful Bible and unwritten art is and he bears
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witness and such is a man, for very famous in Europe and his pictorial
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work, that one of his last most award- winning works was Mara Nata.
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That was an occurrence he had of the lord and he set off and
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amazed himself and strangers and has won awards with that one of his last pictorial
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works. But he is and appears, because personal the one that we are
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here collaborators, a vitco server there with my friend, this Ballozano, the
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director of the program of Good News television And well, all the report was
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done all morning we were here of recordings and well, by the end of
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June we will have it on Spanish television, the twelve Spanish television programmed about
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fifteen minutes, almost thirteen to fifteen minutes that it made on televisions a lot.
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Then I refer to the whole report of the train of life and wave
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for radio, as a radio that we also believe has also set some guidelines.
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He has contributed ideas and guidelines in a way to make radio also very
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particular, and there I can mention Fernando Díaz, a great journalist communicator,
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besides Juan Carlos Parra, my journalist friend also and a great communicator, Daniel
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Díaz, also a great professional, also solidarity radio, and we can also
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continue talking about many, of course, to my friend Lucho Panduro, director
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of Radio Dinami Radio. I mean pro journalists as well and with their daily
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program the pulse of life. I mean, it' s good. We
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now have people ready and in the last twenty- five years this has changed
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for the good, but now the new generation has to join and some already
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take over. It' s not that we' re going to leave at
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all, but it does have to move on to the forefront. That'
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s what it' s about. That' s what we planted for.
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I think perse we' ve done what' s best. We' ve
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known and we' ve been able to. And you know how many I
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say to you in these ceded tens of lives, not to tell you hundreds,
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tens and tens and tens, which suppose some hundreds of people who have
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found Christ through this medium, prodigal sons who were in the Lord and disappeared,
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but in the intimacy of the radio they resurfaced and rekindled the flame of
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faith and returned to the churches. Because our people go to churches. Some
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explicitly say what has happened to them and others do not get there, because
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then we find them apart from those who describe us, who are not few
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after a year and call us on the phone, but we know of countless
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testimonies, prodigal children too and then the good that the radio does, the
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means also to make a bet a day, not to be out of date
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of the socio- cultural and socio- political reality and of all the things
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that have to do with human life, especially the spirituality of that blind angle
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that many do not see, because we want to bring light to all this,
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and for that we have this week Daniel Ozcan, the director of Protestants
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and a professional journalist of magnificent race, and this morning we will talk about
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the current, which is very heated to debate and also later, in the
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next season we will have Marios Cobar, one of our successful writers. I
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believe it is the one who most at this time succeeds in many parts of
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the world, including in Spain, in the secular sphere. He' s
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a historian, he' s a writer, novel, narrative, history.
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It' s good. I really like the way Mario writes. I believe
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that many of us and we are going to do today about the elections and
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the history of Europe in synthesis, very synthesis, a short history of Europe,
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where it is going to be Europe, to see, if you tell
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us, give us some brushstrokes of what he realizes and perceives, of the
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history of the corners or the discussion of the history of Europe at this time
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with the historian and successful writer Mario Escobar, and also finally, to our
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good friend, clinical psychologist Daniel Gas Or the obstacles in our relationship as a
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couple. Well let' s get back to embroidering the subject. Eh obstacles
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that arise and sometimes we don' t know how to solve it. And
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if we don' t do it right, it can spoil the worst case
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scenario. So, let' s do it not good music, good company
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and good friends here on this traveling train. I also remind you that,
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please, let' s go here. Alex is going to put in some
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wire of my book or, please, read my book that he has written.
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He doesn' t like not being read to. Well, there we
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have Mario Escobar, which is a luxury to have Mario Escobar, but traveling
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on the train of life, this is the title that Alex has when I
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repeat this to them, then he will flash me out so that you can
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see him traveling on the train of life. It' s the book I
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wrote. There are fifty reflections on different questions of life. There are blocks
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that are first station, second station, third, fourth and term station that
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there is another final block of themes and the end of the finals is for
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this hour we were born so it is people who are not very used to
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reading and being short stories, as it can start and finish and what is
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achieved from this book that is worth 180 pages, it is worth fifteen euros.
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You can find it on Amazon, on Amazon' s platform, directly.
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He' s already buying a lot of people there. Thank God,
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because they are contributing with wave for radio and with the train of life,
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because we look now we have to make a new investment, We have to
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put machinery and pes the radio makes you change it and do works and things
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And everything is money and maintenance, which is about five zero euros per month
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we have to pay for salaries, social security, peripheral expenses, supplies,
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especially light. Well, if you collaborate with us in this way by buying
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this book, because I thank you infinitely, traveling on the train of the
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life of a server Julio Pérez on the platform of Amazon, you have it
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to his supply, because I leave you to go for it, we will
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now pick up our friend, Daniel Ozcan, director of Protestant Digital, and
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this magnificent journalist You can send your message through our Facebook. Through our Facebook,
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look for your eyes that you' re not. Just resist truth don'
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t let go. Please listen to me It' s catharite salvation that'
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s strong in your pain and you don' t see beyond that it'
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s hard. Pela, I' m stopping him He' s coming back
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to you. I' m just asking you in a timely fashion without being
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able to be the best of people to repair the WL. Don' t
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let go, please don' t listen, it' s water, can
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you give up that it' s strong, your smell that you don'
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dead life or c o m Ladies and gentlemen, we already have in line
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already through the middle of zum how many things has solved the zoom or the
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Skye or other similar networks. Not that there are a few that have saved
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us travel, it has saved us inevitable physical presence, in many cases that
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seemed indelible and inevitable. And now it' s not like that. We
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go ahead and from the other side, look we can bring Daniel of Camp,
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from Jupiter, who comes to Barcelona, and well, he can be
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heard not only in Spain through the network of friendly stations that broadcast the train
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of life weekly and that reach more than one hundred more Spanish cities, but
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they can also listen to it. I' m telling you, Mars Martians
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listen to it and sometimes get a little fluttered with the train of life.
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Yeah, but, well, let' s laugh a little bit about ourselves
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and life. Of course I do. Well, welcome, dear Daniel,
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how about June, how are you doing? Well, buddy, I don
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' t know if the Martians will listen to us, sir, they'
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ll interpret our sounds. Well, if you listen to us, let'
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s hope we give you valuable content and not just a little bit of noise.
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Let' s see, yes, Mr Man, what a day you
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' re doing there for the galleys. Well, very good. Already entering
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springtime, almost summertime, and the truth is that already this week is getting
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quite warm. And good here where I live, which is on the coast,
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in the Lower Rias, because there is a very pleasant temperature, because
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also for the many refreshments a little bit. Then he gets along very well,
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he gets along very well this time. That' s nice, that
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' s nice. I' m looking forward to a long, long time
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ago that I haven' t been to Galicia and have a good one.
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Now we were about to go that my nephew is the director of an agency
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in Santander and we were about to go now, but they have changed him
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and he has come here then, there in the Coruña. But I say
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I look forward to visiting you, in frames and taking a walk also in
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those beautiful places of our beloved Galicia. Well, I was thinking that as
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soon as we have Europeans in sight, but nobody here talks about Europe.
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Here they are talking about everything they' ve had and for having the gresta
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that' s in here. Or to a journalist today he said, nowhere
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in Europe is there as much internal political tension as in Spain, and where
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there is less talk about Europe. There' s nothing to talk about.
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Somewhere else. You do talk about Europe. And this seems logical to you
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in the face of European elections. Well, no. No. The truth
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is that I think we are all a little surprised because European elections are usually
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considered to be low- profile elections in the sense that political parties are not
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playing so much theoretically, that is, political parties have always been a bit
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of a motor of what are the speeches that then go to the media and
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really have an importance in that sense in Spain, which perhaps in other countries
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do not have it either. And normally, when there are electoral periods,
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it is true that they tend to be quite hot on each other, but
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usually European elections have been elections that, of course, being European, I
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do not know national in a sense, because they have saved a little bit
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of this tension. But this year is almost the opposite, that is,
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especially now that we are entering this key week, there really is almost no
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European issue on the table. At the media level. I mean, if
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in the programs, then you' re going to be able to find content
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or if you' re good, then dive a little bit in the newspapers.
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But what is at the level of the front pages and what the news
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are telling us is all domestic politics and precisely in a situation of great tension
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because of the different circumstances to which we are in, therefore, the government,
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the autonomous governments, the tension that exists regarding the opposition, also at
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the international level. The things that have been discussed and which have entered into
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the campaign are not exclusively European. That is to say, there has been
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almost more talk about Argentina or Israel and Palestine than about Europe, even than
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about Ukraine, which I could say is a conflict that is also much closer
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and in which we have much more at stake. Then draw a little attention.
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But good. On the other hand, it responds to the climate that
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has been generated in recent months in Spain, of a great deal of internal
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political tension, as a result of what we have all mentioned on other occasions,
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on the one hand, the weak political situation of the Government, on
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the other hand, the anomalous situation that is taking place at the regional level
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also in many places where pacts have been given that have not been given to
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us or where we do not know very well what pact will be given and
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where it seems that there are many negotiations for the power that the actors have.
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Let us say very busy politicians on these issues, and perhaps with little
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time, so that we can deal with the issues that have to do with
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Europe. Yeah, that' s right. This is the reality, as
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you are describing it, because I have heard more things that have to concern
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us in community politics, some of them at least more by digital Protestant than
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by even journalistic media, not only the politicians who do not speak in the
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representative of the People' s Party or the other representatives of the Social Party
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and well, the representative of the Socialist Party is also woman, and others
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and others, well and also the representative we can and we have enough known.
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But and everyone else is on the back of the fight, the political
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fight, the mud machine, but they don' t realize what or I
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don' t know if they think we' re fools. It' s
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a fool to the citizens in general and some more than others, of course,
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and the mud machine and come and you more and come and the other
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is so slum. That, on the one hand, and it turns out
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that now in the document this one that we speak at a time before other
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considerations European elections that has published the European Evangelical Alliance, ideologies yes, political
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idolatries, not very interesting and other articles, the awakening of Europe, day
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the ascensions and day of Europe, stories to remember and other previous ones.
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I hear more about what can be decided in Europe, that is, neither
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the vanguard, nor the newspaper of Catalonia, which is in different regions,
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nor the country, nor twenty minutes nor reason have spoken about issues of interest
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to Europe, nor because they have also fallen into the trap of the gresta.
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Not to go to the yes and there I think we did, that
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we had to do a reflection at a mechanical level on the grounds. In
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other words, we cannot be constantly following what politicians and political parties are marking.
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Yeah, they' re an important actor, but they can' t
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run the agenda. And I believe that in this respect, the political agenda
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has gone far beyond what could be the general interest of the citizens. And
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as far as European selections are concerned, especially because we said it a couple
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of months ago and when we came to select that there really is a lot
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at stake, that is to say, yes, that are the important matches,
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considering that then also all European directives have to be adopted at European level.
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It ends up having a very important impact on our legislation, on the
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way in which our country is ordered, on the way in which we are
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also interacting with the rest of the world. And I don' t really
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know I' m very surprised at that lack of depth in the regestion that
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we' re finding. There would be so many issues to talk about at
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European level that they would be important to see, for example, almost nothing
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has been said about an issue that, in addition, is a subject of
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my drugs to all, at European level, everyone is concerned about what has
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to do with the issue of climate challenges. It is something that is usually
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in the press, it is true, but it really comes to the elections
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and happens to a third, fourth, fifth, sixth plane, that is,
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an issue that has not been touched or mentioned practically at the media level.
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Another issue, the issue of border security, the issue of military rearmament
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practically, because you do not see any candidate talking about it, the development
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of the middle class, the problem of housing, things that really affect us
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not only at local level, but go beyond bilateral relations between the different countries,
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the relationship, for example, with the United Kingdom, of which we
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have almost no talk and hear it seems to me that it is still something
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important to bear in mind that it is our partner, a neighbouring partner of
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the European Union, who is no longer in the European Union, but with
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which we must continue to have a lot of agreements and relations. The issues
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that also have to do with Africa, of course, not only with immigration,
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which is an issue, but also with everything that has to do with
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the development of the African continent. There' s so much, there'
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s so much that could have been talked about and that it' s not
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being talked about that gives me a feeling of a missed opportunity in front of
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these elections and the missed opportunities and problems that then, because they can'
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t be recovered, it' s saying in the elections they' re yaz
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So we inform ourselves and we try to find out now or then, because
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when you' re going to vote, because maybe, because I don'
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t know, I don' t know what' s going to mobilize you
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to the vote, let' s see what happens. It is not clear
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that the national political situation is so tense that it is making everyone in that
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sense, as it is lost and we are sure that we also have responsibility
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for that as communicators. I mean, but I see that above all in
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the big media here they are failing in that work, which they should have
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a little more, to work more for the citizenry and not so much according
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to what in the political parties they are marking and then they would have to
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do informative pedagogy, European social pedagogy. And because it is the elections for
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the European Parliament, regardless of whether the ultras and so- and- so
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good and hears and ultras of ultra left if they are so dangerous or more,
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and nothing is said about them. And well, apart from the ultra
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- right here, some sectors of the European right, have connivances with putting
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with Russia, so neither right nor left ultras. In the end there are
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those points. But, well, there are considerations and it looks like the
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wolf is coming. And this is the message of Sanchez, of our President,
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is the only art, apart from the question of his wife, now
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that he' s going to bring co- colade and he' s going
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to bring sure that this hits him a few pieces, because he' s
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going to stick it, in addition to other things that are around this,
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this one no longer exists. Well, he' s got the resistance manual,
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but I don' t think he' ll be able to do it
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any more soon. He' s gonna see himself spending. Well, let
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' s see it' s no longer difficult to know what to do,
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but Sanchez already knows that in this he has already shown several times, since
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reconfiguration. But, well, we don' t know if really, in
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the end these allegations prosper, because it' s clear that you' re
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going to have a conflict there, very complicated to be able to save.
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But of course what we were saying now is responsibility. I mean, I
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think that as far as the political parties are concerned, they too are responsible
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for trying to capture the vote of fear of the other or of punishment as
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well. It is a vote of punishment, that is to say, I
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believe that these European elections are being proposed, especially on the Spanish stage,
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as a vote of punishment, that is, the rights in our country see
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the weakness of Pedro Sánchez for these issues that you have commented now, in
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the suspicions of corruption in his government and also in the case of his family
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And of course what the right is wanting to do, since we vote punishing
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the President and, on the other hand, the defense that is being put
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forward by the left parties and also the governing party in this case, is
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what you said now that the right comes, the fear, the punishment in
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that sense to those who are, according to his speech, because allied with
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the global ultra right and the great threat of the ultra of Changdoval. So,
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of course, these are the two speeches that really do not let us
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see the importance of the issues that are at European level at heart and that
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have to do with how the policies of our nearest environment will be directed a
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little bit over the next five years. And there' s a reality,
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and it' s that right. Obviously, the European People' s Party
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is going to win the elections with some distance from the Spanish People' s
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Party, also unlike no, that it was not able to advance the Socialist
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Party in the last few words, in the last electoral contests. Now I
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do, clearly except for the tezano liar who' s always lying, but
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they' re all deos now. Obviously, I point it out with rigor
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that it will be so. So whatever it is that voters opt for that
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political option, then there is that. And, obviously, the right,
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the European ultra right, in Italy, in Germany, in France, in
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Spain, also rises a little more in the main countries of the European Union
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goes up a lot and goes ahead even of the more traditional parties and in
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others I no longer speak of Hungary, Poland, and such that they are
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already classically, it means yes that there is going to be a House with
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right and ultra right. What happens is that the European right has always had
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a lot of alliance and much has been agreed European politics, much with the
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Socialist Party, have made many more agreements. And now this whole sanitary cordon
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thing and that and that, but I think it' s an exaggeration,
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too. Honestly, yes, also clear not all ultra- rights or all
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matches that are labeled ultra- right, are the same. This is what
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you' re not really trying to convey either, and sometimes it happens a
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little outside of people' s surroundings, because they' re not all raising
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the same thing. Even good in the party there are internal struggles within what
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could be that kind of group of right- wing or ultra- right-
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wing lecturing to see a little who carries the singing voice and considering that there
34:58
are policies that these parties plan that are very protectionist. For example, of
35:05
course it is a bit striking of some things that we have seen in recent
35:10
months, such as box A support. Lepen because they have some points in
35:17
common in the speech, but at the same time I thought what you want
35:22
to do is to close the borders so that the Spanish products of the borders,
35:25
from our border up that the Pyrenees know us, do not pass.
35:29
That is to say, there are some inconsistencies there which, of course,
35:35
each party also has a little bit to translate and which has to parance.
35:38
But this shows us that the picture is not as monolithic as we sometimes want
35:45
to imagine. Or we can imagine even on the left is that it'
35:49
s very different. There are some leftists, for example, who are environmentalists
35:52
and who go on the environmental and other left side that we could say,
35:57
they go, on the other hand, on more identifying sides and sides that
36:01
have more to do with other types of social policies and that actually, in
36:06
the end you see that there are points in which they collide. Also let
36:08
' s not say what it has to do with the issue of foreign policy
36:14
is that there are right- wing parties there that tell you one thing and
36:17
other parties of this that tell you the opposite. Totally in foreign policy and
36:20
above all referred to, for example, conflict in Ukraine. So this is
36:24
what it raises. That' s a much more complex picture than you sometimes
36:30
want to imagine. And that what I would say should make us a little
36:34
bit more prudent when it comes to saying good, because this is ultra-
36:37
right and let him go to a corner, or this is a skin to
36:39
leave in a corner. You wouldn' t have to stop a little bit
36:44
before you put on the labels, which seem to be what makes it easier
36:47
for us to think. And not everything is one more, one two,
36:50
but there is much more complexity in the current political scenario. Yes, for
36:54
example, the President of Italy, of the Italian government Meloni, who,
37:01
paradoxically, is a Europeanist, is ultra- right, but now, she
37:08
has further moderated her speech and staging and everything unlike the beginnings when she was
37:13
not yet in the government. And that' s what happens when you'
37:17
re inside things, you see them in a different way. It' s
37:20
clear. The realities are what they are and we must work with common sense
37:23
and community. Never better said, but, for example, the subject of
37:30
the countryside and the agrarian question. Another issue is that they do not address
37:34
anything. It is a public shame and we denounce it here that, instead
37:37
of putting forward alternative options for the parties, I am going to vote for
37:46
the party, whether it is the Socialist Party, the People' s Party
37:51
to Boga that I want and I don' t know, I don'
37:55
t know, I don' t know anything about them, I don'
38:00
t know anything about the Me sent the letter to vote, but it doesn
38:00
' t put me on. It makes me a very generic thing. From
38:01
Europe, but they do not tell me concrete things that we need to know
38:09
and also to make determinations. Yes, yes, what you were saying,
38:15
we have seen, above all at campaign level, a speech that has gone
38:21
through very, very long on European issues and that ends up focusing on the
38:24
polemics that are here in our country and that, moreover, as you said
38:30
now, for example, the agricultural issue, is that this is a key
38:34
issue at European level from the very beginning of the European Economic Community. At
38:40
first it was an alliance, as we know, of the energy issue,
38:45
coal to, industrial zero between Germany and France. From there, then,
38:50
it began, but then the common agricultural policy. Peace is that you take
38:54
a percentage of the European budget that when you get scared, you realize and
39:02
that money, that money that is actually negotiated in Europe, is the one
39:09
that then has the impact on the agricultural sector in our country. And it
39:15
' s fundamental, that is, it' s a fundamental aspect that I
39:21
just don' t know that you' re getting a little bit into looking
39:23
specifically at programs. And so it' s a subject you' re telling
39:25
us about right now. Then we will have in two or three months,
39:30
or whatever, because the tractors will have demonstrations here we will have those of
39:36
the milk sector, because also demanding for something, or those of the countryside,
39:39
or those of the grail or of the sea, that is, there
39:44
are a lot of sectors there that really play it at European level. And
39:49
it is at the European level where cards are being played, not at the
39:52
national level. So it' s really sad that we' re not being
39:59
informed about this. It finds the relevance that these policies will then have to
40:01
be taken, for example here, at the level of Galicia. Here,
40:07
of course, we have the fishing sector, which is very important, and
40:10
the fisheries sector here is always with an eye to what is legislated in Brussels,
40:19
because it is fundamental, that is, not only at the level of
40:22
the fishing grounds that are actually negotiated there, but also sometimes the fishing grounds,
40:28
sometimes also what the fishing instruments are, things that have done, for
40:32
example, sometimes a whole fleet, because it cannot go fishing where it has
40:36
been saying it has been fishing for twenty years and now, suddenly, it
40:39
would not let them fish there. They have to change and find other fishing
40:43
grounds. This has happened in the last five years here in Galicia. So
40:46
this kind of thing is European politics and we are really interested in seeing what
40:53
the parties are proposing in these areas so that we can then vote in these
41:00
in conscience. And unfortunately, because I believe that most of us, because
41:06
of this lack of information, do not know very well what one is proposing,
41:09
which is proposing another, what the advantages of one model would be,
41:13
what the advantages of the other that are being proposed will be. Not in
41:16
time to reflect, let' s say, or reflect or know what to
41:21
know. We know that, because you and I are journalists and so many
41:25
others and we dig and we are more or less up to date, but
41:31
and we realize the information vacuum, the information silence, for example, in
41:40
the debates that have taken place, at least I have seen part of them,
41:44
because they also tire me, is that they tire me like a donkey.
41:47
Then I get tired of them all. There' s practically no one
41:54
original who says yes well, who replies, but who does something that doesn
41:59
' t captivate our attention and says well, here goes the thing, not
42:00
even one of those I' ve seen. Then. The idea is that,
42:06
for example, what alliances you will make after the European elections, how
42:10
and how you talk about some European issues in a very global way, but
42:15
they do not go into the concrete or the necessary policies. For example,
42:19
the issue of emigration and integration and the issue of recidivists makes it clear that
42:27
this is true, that it must also be controlled. We need it,
42:30
we need it good at all costs. Inevitably immigration, if not Europe'
42:35
s survival. It' s in this, but because the birth, the
42:39
low narality that exists. But there has to be a regulation, a reconsideration
42:45
of all this and the countries of North Africa, like Morocco, which are
42:50
preferred partners with Europe and Tunisia, good on the subject of agriculture, agricultural
42:54
products and other things more of the steps, of the traffic of people,
43:00
of those who come from sub- Saharans and everything, nothing, nothing,
43:06
that is to say, I don' t know where it is and now
43:09
you and I get a bit of a face but they won' t even
43:14
listen to us in the car and well, that would be good. Clear
43:20
man to see I really would tell people of European faces and selections, because
43:24
at the media level, because sometimes it is difficult to find. Well,
43:31
you can look for information a little more intentionally, that is, when you
43:36
go to the newspapers or the qualified ones, to the places where you report
43:39
at the top, because it does a search, a little more intentional,
43:43
because, perhaps, if you are going to find the reports, but it
43:45
is going to be a little hidden, then, if you want to know
43:50
a little bit about what they are proposing, what is being discussed at European
43:52
level, nons does a little bit of research and if not, in the
43:55
end we have to go to the international media, that is, we will
43:59
have to go to the us, we have a medium that is called Euronews,
44:04
which is at European level, which is quite aseptic. But to find
44:07
out, for example, what is happening at European level, what are the
44:09
major debates, what are the main lines of discussion that exist at continental level,
44:16
because it is advisable, that is, there you can find a little
44:21
bit. Then you have commented that in our media, because there is information,
44:25
because right now on the cover we have placed there the last four or
44:30
five reports that we have published on the European issue. And I think it
44:31
is so interesting because they also speak to us from the point of view that
44:37
we tend to present, which is an evangelical point of view, that is,
44:42
with evangelical people who also, because we have interests in some aspects as
44:46
well and we have something to say about very concrete aspects. Obviously, there
44:51
is an issue that is also there, which is being discussed very little,
44:54
but it is the issue of religious freedom and which, of course, here
45:00
we have a continent where it is respected, but there are beginning to be
45:05
conflicts, especially with regard to the great growth of Islam in some countries and
45:09
as that is starting to conflict with the laws we have in many of our
45:15
countries. This is also an issue that is on the table and that it
45:17
is important to be able to know it. So let' s say in
45:22
the invitation to be informed. That is to say, we are in the
45:25
era theoretically, we are in that age of information in which it is possible
45:29
to get well informed about things, because this time, in order to inform
45:34
ourselves we have to leave the news stand aside, because the pediator will be
45:37
talking to us about national politics throughout the week and they have not stopped and
45:39
no matter whether they are European or not, and then we will trace the
45:45
information a little more at a deeper level. There are also media specialized in
45:49
international information. I am thinking of means such as the World Order, for
45:53
example, which has also skipped interesting reports on the subject of second clothes selections.
46:00
I would even say that you have some doubt about what the electoral process
46:06
is, what the Europe process is, what the European Union implies. And
46:08
all that, even the official website of the European Union is quite informatively enough
46:15
to know a little bit, what we are voting for, what is being
46:19
set up, how even the European Parliament is configured, which is set up
46:22
in seven groups, then where each of the parties that can access is included.
46:29
Anyway, that' s all information I think can help us deal with
46:32
the elections we have this Sunday. Yes, and I find the document of
46:40
the European Evangelical Alliance very interesting. We must be peacemakers and an example of
46:45
how to discuss politics with respect for those of us who disagree deeply. It
46:51
is an exhibition of the entity of the European Evangelical Alliance, European elections,
46:58
ideologies, yes and dola, political trias. No, which is what even
47:01
Christians, who I think we have like any mature citizen, have that good
47:08
we choose what we find most appropriate. We have that democratic freedom, of
47:15
course we do, but we don' t make barricades and we don'
47:22
t make trenches and we start bombing psyche and we identify as some things that
47:29
aren' t healthy for social coexistence and are totally inappropriate. We can say
47:31
that and even if we can denounce it, but it means that I stand
47:38
in a political trench and this is why it coincides with some Christian values.
47:44
But if you see other values, since dictatorial and rancid of the official religion
47:52
and this and of the black soul of Spanish life, because I say no
48:00
and no And I am Spanish and I feel total Spanish, but let us
48:06
not fall into extremism. And I believe that the document of the Evangelical Alliance
48:13
that appears here to inspire individuals, local churches and evangelical alliances to pray,
48:20
to think and to ask questions before the vote for the European Parliament elections this
48:24
June 9. And there is the Bangrica Auropea Alliance for the 2, 000
48:31
sections in English and Spanish. Complete, well, it' s two thousand
48:37
twenty- four. Then let us take into account some things in the document.
48:45
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It' s a document I
48:46
think it' s valuable. It' s a very brief document. Also,
48:50
that is, it will serve as an introduction a little to think about
48:54
what our vote is for and how to exercise it in a wise way.
49:00
The political defense that is made in the introduction has this part. I think
49:04
that I am quite interesting about this problem when an ideology becomes hegemonic, not
49:16
only at the social level, but in some way it prevents the debate about
49:22
itself and the lack of that debate, of confrontation of ideas that we are
49:32
actually seeing, for example, in our country and that also ends up spreading
49:36
to other places. I mean, if we don' t get to debate
49:43
with someone who thinks differently from us, it' s going to be very
49:47
difficult for us to build anything with the other person. That is to say,
49:49
the minimum would be to be able to debate ideas and think this on
49:54
this subject and I believe that this is the solution. You think differently,
49:55
because you present me your opinion or your strategy to address this issue. And
50:02
that' s where we should find them. That would be the exercise of
50:07
politics. The problem is that we are seeing that this is not happening.
50:12
I mean, we see more and more environments where basically the politician clings to
50:20
his and his and no matter what they do. What they say is like
50:23
almost going with a football team, that is, to death. And that
50:29
' s it and you defend a few colors and you don' t listen
50:34
to reasons you get carried away by the heart. Well, that' s
50:37
exactly what politics shouldn' t be. Politics must be exercised with the heart.
50:42
Yes, but above all with the head, and we have to try
50:45
to think about the arguments, to present, let' s say what we
50:52
consider best for our society, but in order to be able to convince others,
50:57
and that the vote is, in that sense, a vote in accordance
51:02
with ideas and a proposal that does not mean voting for someone, does not
51:07
mean supporting everything that that person does or says or that person thinks is a
51:10
trusted bike so that he can carry out his program. But that vote of
51:15
confidence about the person fails his program, his proposal, because that vote is
51:17
taken away, that is, and we should never end up being hostage to
51:22
a political ideology in that sense, because we really end up becoming a person
51:30
or a fanatic who does not end up building, but basically going to try
51:38
to overthrow others to build his own power. And it seems and seems that
51:46
in Europe, as we have seen, there are not many political proposals that
51:52
begin to be put forward in this way. So I think that as Christians,
51:54
there we have a great challenge to participate as a citizen, of course,
52:00
and also those who are more involved in the political arena, because it
52:06
is also their position to participate in another way and to generate a climate that
52:12
is more constructive and less of fanaticization and destruction of the other. Yes,
52:15
that' s how the Minister who is now the head of the party'
52:21
s three poster takes over the green agenda must gain weight in the European Commission
52:25
And what and what and what does that mean and that abstract and generic and
52:31
what and those slogans of her and others, and that your journalistic intuition to
52:40
Daniel, especially the sainete with the wife Begoña Gómez, who, by the
52:47
way, even of paradoxes. How can you preside over a professorship of a
52:52
person who, that is, does not have a university degree, something is
53:00
good. One may have been doing college studies, although we haven' t
53:04
finished well. I think that' s what he' s done. A
53:07
lot of people do that, well, it' s okay, but maybe
53:09
it' s not finished with a bachelor' s degree. But you don
53:13
' t have to have a master' s degree and more for a professorship,
53:16
even a doctorate. So here' s a lot to water. This
53:22
on many sides, this on the one hand, and then the whole subject
53:24
of trapicheos, the components of influence, of political friendlyness, of traffic,
53:32
of influences, with the theme of global and good. I don' t
53:37
know. This doesn' t look good, uh, no, no,
53:40
not to see. It is clear that behind him some of the accusations were,
53:46
for example, false information and that could be known at the time,
53:52
I mean, there were some things that were published that were correct. But
53:57
once that' s happened let' s say that for a month now all
54:00
the information that is coming out of that information that is there and here the
54:07
issue perhaps beyond what is the judicial issue, by the most judicial, obviously,
54:09
is the investigation underway. Progress is being made in the investigation and even
54:16
if the President has bothered the times or whatever, because the times of justice
54:22
are his times. Then we also don' t have why they lead well
54:25
and, above all, I keep in mind that begoña gomez is currently being
54:30
investigated, she is not accused of anything. Therefore, the investigation is simply
54:32
a procedure that usually starts just to investigate and does not at all break the
54:39
defendant' s assumption of innocence. Then the problem is. I believe that
54:47
everything that is being known, whether or not it is a crime, is
54:52
not right. I mean, it' s not something that' s not
54:57
right. They are things that because the trading of influences is very difficult to
55:02
prove in many ways, that is, very difficult to prove trading in influences
55:07
sometimes, but everyone suspects it all over the world. He suspects it'
55:10
s very easy that he' s really there and even if he' s
55:16
not criminally punishable, he' s going to be from the ethical or moral
55:21
perspective, especially considering that good. What we are aware of is that basically
55:24
the woman of the President has set up this training with the help of certain
55:35
companies that are then also benefited by the Government and at the same time with
55:42
this handicap that you pointed out, the fact that she is the director without
55:47
having that degree that is usually held is not the only case, but it
55:53
is quite rare what has been given there. And then the good topic of
55:57
the recommendations she signed for some companies, among many other recommendations, is quite
56:02
common in the business sphere, that is, that this type of attempt to
56:10
comment, but the problem is his figure as wife of the President, making
56:15
these recommendations so that these companies can then access a public fund or access some
56:22
kind of service that the State hires. So, of course, whether or
56:30
not it' s a crime is something I think it does mark the President
56:35
' s trajectory and at least ethically, because it leaves many questions. That
56:38
is why I believe that, even if the court case does not progress as
56:44
the case continues and continues to emerge, that kind of information will affect.
56:51
But, on the other hand, I don' t know very well if
56:54
this is what will make Sanchez in the end able to make some decision to
57:00
lead to an electoral advance. I believe that in the situation in Catalonia it
57:02
is also a very important factor. It has to do with him what'
57:07
s going to happen. Let' s see what happens to the government in
57:10
Catalonia if elections are called again or without seder any contact of mon It seems
57:17
that it does not want to know anything other than having the government and then,
57:22
from there, then, what rc does nobody knows very well what it
57:25
will do. There' s still a lot of suspicion, on the one
57:29
hand, on the other, but no one knows everything. Then the picture
57:34
is not simple. We knew that. We have already commented several or that
57:38
it is a weak government and every time there are elections, even autonomic ones,
57:43
because you see yes, it is a magnificent reflection that you are doing.
57:49
Is Daniel politically wrong? It is very politically incorrect, and that in
57:55
other countries, especially in countries that are distant and still in Portugal, with
58:02
the President of Portugal, without getting so much that there was not the accusation
58:10
as well and that there was also the investigation, not the accusation. If
58:14
in the imputation it is clear, clearly clear, but then and politically,
58:22
it is very incorrect traffic in the series of networks that is the Civil Guard,
58:29
it is, therefore, requisitioning everything to see what there is and we
58:31
will see what comes out, which may be nothing, for it is nothing.
58:36
But in any case, there is already evidence of a trade in influence
58:39
that the Government does not proceed with on the woman of the President. She
58:42
is a public figure for antonomasia, also because of what she represents her husband
58:50
and in that sense, because this, then, is not going to stand
58:52
well. And speaking of Catalonia, I, as an observer from here if
58:59
independence, which has not been able to lose, has had an evil to
59:04
lose the elections today, but very bad to lose. But, well,
59:07
he' s defeated. This is clear. Like never before, not even
59:10
in the days of Jordi Buyol, he has come much less. But the
59:15
matter if they do not democratically make way for it there, as she also
59:22
did, although regardless of whether they are like one or the other, not
59:25
even mine. But as a Democrat, we' re gonna be serious.
59:30
If you go back to an electoral rerun, you will lose more, I,
59:35
as a political observer, say, you will lose enough more, you
59:39
will lose a few more seats and you will rise a little more and well
59:45
and if there will be some sort of arrangement in any way. But we
59:46
' ll waste our time. And here, in Catalonia, there are a
59:50
number of issues that are totally paralyzed with it. Between him, I no
59:54
longer speak of the companies that have left and that have not returned and that
59:58
has been a great loss, like Catalana. But and this and nothing or
1:00:02
moonni as if they didn' t want to know in the world of Yupi.
1:00:07
But apart from this, the reality is that there are a lot of
1:00:13
things to ally, not just rolls and questions, and there are a lot
1:00:19
of things per paralyzed. And among the sainete of the political gresca, these
1:00:22
gentlemen, the topic of doctors, nurses, that there is a deficit but
1:00:28
in all Spain, but in Catalonia, monumentally means to put immediate political solutions,
1:00:34
instead of being bluffing already the mud machine and patatero rolls that are a
1:00:40
shame, it is from a school yard. Anyway, I don' t
1:00:47
know what to say anymore. Yes, because the truth that exactly the national
1:00:52
and regional landscape in that sense, because sometimes it can cause us to dissolve
1:00:59
a focus with what politics is and in the midst of politics, as we
1:01:02
are seeing it, I believe that we need to move to a state,
1:01:08
if possible, of some stability at the governmental level, that is, that
1:01:15
we can, at least for a moment, stop things and set up minimally
1:01:22
stable governments that allow for the development of certain plans and to address certain things.
1:01:29
In the case of Catalonia, well, not only is it really the
1:01:32
problem of now these elections that can leave us, but Catalonia really has been
1:01:37
many years, many years of much political instability in the midst of the process,
1:01:43
at the time of this situation, and that is what it means for
1:01:46
an autonomous community in terms of the delay in addressing policies that can make it
1:01:52
look to the future and that the future is not a utopia, but that
1:01:57
it is the future of the well- being of citizens. And so we
1:01:59
also see ourselves a little bit in Spain it is also true that in the
1:02:02
end you realize that the country, because the country, the autonomous communities,
1:02:07
everything follows a little. The gears keep moving forward and don' t stop
1:02:12
the machinery of life, people keep going to work, the state keeps working
1:02:16
more or less, and that' s what it keeps. I believe that
1:02:19
social peace is the reason why these very tense and destabilizing political situations do not
1:02:24
get so much deeper at the level of our society. That is to say,
1:02:37
there is tension, of course, but at the same time we can
1:02:42
tell the truth, that we can breathe calmly that one goes up or another
1:02:45
goes down in the government, because that does not mean a bacle at the
1:02:51
country level, and that I think is a good thing, that is,
1:02:55
what I would like and we would comment a little at the political beginning.
1:03:00
Sometimes I think he is taking on more headlines and carrying more media weight than
1:03:08
he would ever deserve, and hopefully we too will be able to do once
1:03:15
these electoral storms are over, as we begin to look a little bit further
1:03:20
in the medium term and think about that construction of the important things that we
1:03:24
have to do in which politics is an important part. But it is not
1:03:29
so important who, who is ruling, what a tendency it has, there
1:03:34
are only many other things that are also important and which we need to talk
1:03:38
about exactly well, as we will see the courtyard. We have already left
1:03:42
things like the Israeli- Palestinian conflict with Gaza and this recent attack on a
1:03:51
UN school in Gaza. What happens is that in some of the ONO schools
1:03:57
there was a basement of never and unfortunately it has already been passed in several.
1:04:05
But unfortunately people die and I told an Israeli friend that they want to
1:04:11
make a call next week here such an Israeli entrepreneur and said anti- Semitism
1:04:17
against the total freedom of the kidnapped, for ever, totally agree. But
1:04:24
Israeli politics at this time and we are fond of Israel for many historical and
1:04:30
sentimental reasons, but not for its political mistakes, not to go so far
1:04:36
in killing so many people. This is not tolerable. This has to stop.
1:04:44
This is clear, regardless of whether there are blues, whether there are
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warehouses, whether there are warehouses, or whether there are warehouses, but what
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we have invented, which is true, the entire network of tunnels and everything
1:04:56
they have to assemble in kilometers, there were all the entire cities, but
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it is never a terrorist State, it is clear and within a democratic State,
1:05:05
the only democratic State in the whole Middle East. But this has to
1:05:09
stop. People cannot be killed, even if they are being used by the
1:05:13
terrorists of never as human shields to the civilian population. You can' t
1:05:17
kill people like that. And in that there is a protest, for at
1:05:21
least my part. I don' t know if you' ll agree,
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but I guess so. To see I really see it very similar to you
1:05:30
I mean, there is, on the one hand, that very complicated situation
1:05:36
that has been on the ground for so long, that difficulty of being able
1:05:41
to solve it. The conflict is taking hold and at the same time those
1:05:47
good ones. Historically we see how there have been times when violence has been
1:05:54
increasing at specific times and clearly what happened on October 7 was a beastly,
1:06:00
brutal, brutal thing. That' s where it really starts. Yes,
1:06:04
yes, I was holding my hands to my head the other day because we
1:06:06
were able to hear that there was a good one. They invited him in.
1:06:13
We can have an initiative to give people a voice on the subject of
1:06:18
Palestine and all this, and it was good for people to hear about being
1:06:25
parliamentary to people who were justifying what happened on October 7th, that is,
1:06:29
the attacks that they did on October 7th, which we know, are the
1:06:33
innocent, of course, a thousand and two hundred more dead, all of
1:06:39
them kidnapped. And of course, that can' t be ignored, of
1:06:43
course. But it can' t be uviated, as you well said,
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that Israel' s military response is being very disproportionate, brutally dispossessed There is
1:06:53
not that just first, first, because it has forced the disputing of the
1:07:00
population without really giving them security alternatives, that is, it has not given
1:07:04
them real alternatives. And now that they are, let' s say,
1:07:09
cornered in the southern part of Gaza, in Rafa, where they still want
1:07:15
to intervene, because they really say that we have to try to end all
1:07:21
the military operation they have ever had. But of course, you' ve
1:07:23
really forced people to be there and you don' t give any other way
1:07:28
out to many other people who look totally cornered. And the military operation,
1:07:33
instead of being reconfigured or stopped or looking for some kind of negotiation, nothing
1:07:42
goes on at the same pace. And this, because it' s taking
1:07:45
us practically every week we' re finding ourselves or the news of a missile
1:07:49
that fell in a refugee camp or in a school or in a hospital,
1:07:55
where there can be any, can give its reasoning, but we' re
1:08:00
really going to count more and more victims and you really can' t.
1:08:08
It' s really hard. You don' t have to put yourself,
1:08:11
of course, on the skin of both places. But, well, there
1:08:15
really are people there who are obviously not terrorists. Not all Christians, not
1:08:18
all Panamanians are terminists. Of course not. Then you can' t treat
1:08:23
an entire population that way. They' re never kidnapped by the civilian population.
1:08:27
Tan kidnapped. They can' t in case they don' t get
1:08:30
liquidated. Let' s go, but yes, in what Israel can do
1:08:34
and if that has the right to do so, there is no other remedy
1:08:39
until this somehow completely disassembles. The whole operation is here. Never militarize the
1:08:44
Gaza Strip, but stop killing, stop attacking those indiscriminate attacks. He'
1:08:50
s actually going to do it, he' s going to militarize it,
1:08:54
and he' s going to control it, because he' s going to
1:08:57
do that, but he' s not going to kill innocent people anymore.
1:08:58
I mean, this is intolerable, but well, the thing would be a
1:09:02
lot of it. The last thing facing the elections already you vote wisely this
1:09:08
is a Council that the Evangelical Alliance always gives and I think it is very
1:09:12
smart and I think very timely. What would you say about it already,
1:09:17
to finish our conversation, vote wisely that you always recommend from the Spanish Evangelical
1:09:21
Alliance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, the idea is a little
1:09:26
bit of what we' ve been talking about during this talk. Not this
1:09:29
little chatty. When you vote, you can do it in many ways,
1:09:35
but you have to think that you are not simply casting your vote or that
1:09:41
what you are doing has no relevance or that you do have it. No,
1:09:45
yes, political participation is important, thinking also that as Protestants we do
1:09:50
not believe in democracy in that sense, which is something that was born in
1:09:55
fact, from the just interpretation of scriptures, of applying biblical principles to society.
1:10:02
And from there comes the possibility that we had to participate actively in politics
1:10:05
through our vote. So, obviously, you vote with judgment, which is
1:10:13
the problem that has been used. This is what Lancia Vangélica is again proposing
1:10:16
before each of the elections a reflection that our vote has value, is valid
1:10:23
and that we can actually vote informed, that is, let us not simply
1:10:28
vote in this case, as we have said before, for our ideology or
1:10:31
that only for an ideological adjustment or because you have always voted for the same
1:10:38
person who has always voted for a person who is a kind of football club
1:10:42
membership, but that we exercise our discernment and this is rather a biblical call.
1:10:50
The Bible encourages us to discern, to think, to exercise our intellect
1:10:59
and to inform ourselves well when acting then that the vow we make can be
1:11:04
informed and that each one vote to whomever he wants. Of course, for
1:11:09
that it is a free country and let us approach these elections, because also
1:11:15
giving our support, because in a conscious way, conscious because then it is
1:11:20
also going to allow us to participate better in what is the control of our
1:11:25
politicians, of what they do, of what they propose, because once we
1:11:28
have given them the vote, we will also be a little more attentive to
1:11:30
how they then exercise politics. That' s my dear friend Daniel, as
1:11:36
I always thank you so much that you have appeared and illustrated us about interesting
1:11:43
issues of the most current politics. It cannot be Europe today is the big
1:11:47
issue or some slashes of domestic politics and Spanish political gresca, which is at
1:11:56
this point, is painful. In Europe we are seen as ridiculous in this
1:12:03
respect because of the exaggeration and extremism that are taking place and the sea being
1:12:09
done by some is clear and some who have more responsibility than others. But
1:12:13
thank you, because we' ll keep talking. This is going to give
1:12:16
a lot of itself still later and see what happens right away we talk again.
1:12:21
All right. Thank you, Julio. I' ll send you a
1:12:25
hug, buddy. Even always bye or from my mother' s womb with
1:13:17
patience you formed me and painted the details with your love, your design so
1:13:30
perfect. I don' t know how complete it feels today. It needs
1:13:35
the touch of its creator, but here I have a miracle trapped in my
1:13:48
hands and I will not let you just believe it. I' m Sana,
1:14:01
I' m salt but now I don' t feel it in my
1:14:08
mud already it' s done. I am Sana, you are Sana,
1:14:16
although now I do not see your word is already a jamba li fact in
1:14:38
your plan always or life. This isn' t where it ends. And
1:14:44
even if there is great pain in this body, the end will be greater,
1:14:55
scorched from my father celebrating the vict. I am Sara, I am
1:15:11
Sana, although I do not feel that the miladro is I am Sana,
1:15:24
I am Sana, although I now pray your word. It is also a
1:15:45
fact that my miracles, the train of life, an exciting journey along the
1:16:21
routes of the heart, an unforgettable journey at the rhythm of the train.
1:17:03
Ladies and gentlemen, we are still on the move and we are joined by
1:17:10
a very interesting voice, which is the voice of Mario Escobar, Marios cobares
1:17:15
and historian of pro and is also a writer. Not only is he a
1:17:18
writer who writes novels, narratives and history issues, many and essays as well,
1:17:27
but he is a successful writer. Many of your titles are very successful,
1:17:31
both in Spain and in many countries of the world, and well,
1:17:36
it is interesting that you can enter the Mario Escobar page that and there you
1:17:42
will see your bibliography and a number of very interesting options. But we have
1:17:46
it here today to tell us about Europe, where Europe is going to be.
1:17:51
The story is a slam. The history of Europe is a broad history,
1:17:58
brief parts of the history of Europe. Speaking of what we are talking
1:18:01
about, talking about where Europe is going, it seems to be with the
1:18:08
two great hinos of freedom and social justice, which were the great proclamations of
1:18:16
the creation of the European Union. But where are we, where do we
1:18:19
come from and where are we going? Good morning, dear Mario Hello,
1:18:26
good morning. It is a pleasure star poured in July. Nice to see
1:18:29
you, too, buddy. I know that in a moment you will tell
1:18:31
us about some of your titles that are already out there also more recent and
1:18:39
some others of interest to all readers, that we are many of your books.
1:18:45
But Europe cannot avoid social discourse. Well, and what I was talking
1:18:49
to journalist Daniel Oscán. We are talking about everything but Europe, real Europe,
1:18:56
the question of Europe, its own positions, its needs, its real
1:19:01
future, and so on. Here we talk about bronches and speckling against each
1:19:10
other. It' s a shame. Especially in Spain we are the political
1:19:15
navajeo that ayí is very alarming. But going to the idea, I was
1:19:23
seeing different things. According to Pedro Laine, something comes in a great writer
1:19:29
and historian also about Europe and tomorrow and what Europe is and what it is
1:19:34
and there it is talked about. He speaks of the influence, among others,
1:19:40
of Greece and the contribution of Christianity. And some of his contemporaries say
1:19:46
that Europe, without the Bible, without Christianity and if it had not been
1:19:49
the same in the Bible, would be a totally socially disaggregated continent. You
1:19:57
' re okay with that. Well, the history of Europe, as you
1:20:00
well say, is very old. In fact, we carry the old continent
1:20:04
has a long period of classical culture, although we could by putting a date
1:20:13
more or less in the period of Pericles And what was that tenas as incredible
1:20:18
of the first great philosophers as the Origin, which is curious because it is
1:20:26
at the foot of Asia. Gracia is almost very close to Asia, Asia
1:20:30
minor and then all Asia and was a little stellar. Among those powerful Asian
1:20:35
cultures, the Fritese Tigris river, where civilization is born as we understand it
1:20:42
more now, Hugo Egypt, true with its Nile, well, it grew
1:20:46
to be that small territory of evidence of that State. It is where the
1:20:51
main evaluations of Europe are born, freedom, democracy, the whole idealistic world
1:20:59
that creates socrats of universal ideas, beauty, love and so many other things.
1:21:06
And about that, about that philosophy of ideas, The first philosophers had
1:21:12
dedicated themselves to studying nature, but he studies man, for from that he
1:21:16
is born in that quest for man in Asia. That' s not gonna
1:21:20
happen on other continents. And that is the first pillar that will be passed
1:21:25
on in Europe, that quest for man. Understand the human being, understand
1:21:30
it and then, as you well say, the arrival of Christianity is going
1:21:32
to unify all that, because well, I already see it a nest in
1:21:36
some sense the Roman Empire, truth. But the Roman Empire was a synthetist.
1:21:40
I was looking for more than anything, it was a political power for
1:21:42
you. Religion did not care so much for truth as to worship the emperor
1:21:48
and sacrifice itself to the Roman state. And even though it was true something
1:21:55
that long cohesioned Europe, but it was a position. Although the world was
1:22:00
formalized customs, ways of seeing, but thoughts, the way of understanding the
1:22:05
world remained very different in each part of the Empire. Then it comes to
1:22:12
Christianity and what it does get through a long period. We are talking about
1:22:15
nearly four hundred years until it is consolidated and universalized already in all that was
1:22:20
the Roman Empire manages to have a common project. I talk a lot in
1:22:27
my classes in the union that the culture that manages to build a better story
1:22:32
is the one that responds to the one that surpasses the others. And Europe,
1:22:38
having that story about the world, a world that has a beginning and
1:22:41
an end, that has a savior, someone who came to save the world
1:22:46
and will return that idea of linear history, to go towards a goal,
1:22:54
because it turned Europe into a great civilization on these two pillars, curiously that
1:22:59
seem contradictory, but that relate to each other, man and faith, Christianity
1:23:03
and this incessant search for the meaning of life, were those pillars that have
1:23:10
supported Europe. Of course, in the last forty- fifty years the two
1:23:15
pillars have been worn out, and right now we are almost in a broken
1:23:20
society and a Europe in a deep crisis. What an interesting reflection, ladies
1:23:26
and gentlemen, to put us in perspective from the origins of Socrates and Good
1:23:32
Aristotle, with his magna ora for politics that already gives a little profile to
1:23:40
the social life of citizens. And it is true that Europe is the old
1:23:47
world, but everything is born from here. This is where universal history is
1:23:50
born, where the continents were good, but really the bodybuilding and everything is
1:23:57
born from here. And now we are taking a leap, a leap of
1:24:02
polegy, but enormous historical, And we come to modern times, where the
1:24:09
European Union is constituted, based on two fundamental axes, the preservation of human
1:24:15
freedoms and the improvement of human freedoms and social justice among them, and also
1:24:20
the distribution of economic wealth. And well, in that sense it' s
1:24:28
been very interesting. But what has happened at the same time and I want
1:24:32
you to give us some thoughts, which has resulted in the total de-
1:24:36
Christianization of Europe. Right. Yes, the problem is that Europe has been
1:24:42
idealized in many ways. This European construction was therefore not so cylindrical, that
1:24:51
construction on democracy, freedom. If we do not forget that the first is
1:24:57
a common market. I mean, there' s a common market left,
1:25:00
the steel hi. Europe realizes that the world which is sometimes the largest,
1:25:02
which develops in a faster way, which is more competitive in many ways and
1:25:09
ends up trying to join economically after the same way has suffered a great deal.
1:25:16
Germany is growing and so that prevents these complex cultures from developing. Then
1:25:28
we see that common market, which is uniting Europe so that there are no
1:25:31
economic borders. And there comes a time when there is also an attempt to
1:25:38
establish a political union and under that the European Constitution is made, with those
1:25:45
rights of social justice, of seeking support and those ideals that we have been
1:25:49
talking about democracy, freedom. This is well- being that is being dissolved
1:25:56
and there are beginning to be European laws that I believe are seeking more control
1:26:02
of the states, are seeking more to politically manage the peoples and is politicized
1:26:11
because all the European institutions no longer fulfil their function, that it was more
1:26:15
feeling of Europe, that people felt more free, belonged to that club that
1:26:20
was economically protective, but also had objectives as you say social and political.
1:26:28
I believe that the idea of the Berlin Wall, because it ends with the
1:26:31
other antagonistic gral and we realize that Europe had come together to forge this advance
1:26:39
of communism in Europe and for a number of economic interests. When, moreover,
1:26:45
the economy is globalized and many companies are outside the continent, Europe begins
1:26:49
to have less economic relevance and you no longer have a political enemy. That
1:26:55
is why we are now at such a special and curious moment, because,
1:27:00
imagine, we now have again a very powerful political enemy, such as Russia
1:27:05
and Foting and everything you are doing in the former Soviet Union, and Europe
1:27:11
has woken up or is slowly like that old man, for slowly lifting itself
1:27:17
from that dream that it has had of prosperity, realizing that it is totally
1:27:24
dependent on China, especially India, for other countries of South- East Asia,
1:27:30
where almost everything is produced, and now European citizens are also demanding drastic
1:27:35
changes. And all of that, then, joins a crisis of values unprecedented
1:27:41
to We live in a time when a crisis of values at a global level
1:27:45
in almost all civilizations and cultures that have put into play, all because crisis
1:27:51
in the family, individual crisis, crisis of identity. And, on the
1:27:59
other hand, in the face of that crisis and that great moral vacuum there
1:28:03
is, ideologies are reborn with all their strength and power, because when there
1:28:11
is a moral vacuum, it has to be filled by ideology, which is
1:28:16
already an artificial construct, which sets out a series of ideals that, in
1:28:21
these senses, blind the human being. They make him go towards those ideals,
1:28:26
forgetting the real problems that each of these citizens is experiencing. Then,
1:28:29
of course, we live in a very interesting moment from a sociological, truth
1:28:33
and political point of view, and it will even be a great time for
1:28:40
historians, but very dangerous in the sense of a Europe without direction, divided,
1:28:47
full of contradictions. And now in these Europeans they play a lot.
1:28:49
In these elections, which are soon to be held on this European Parliament,
1:28:58
I see so many turbulences. Well World, there really are turbulences and in
1:29:01
the Middle East, in the United States, in Latin America, in the
1:29:10
other continents, but in Europe, the self- complacent Europe. No,
1:29:14
I notice insecurities, obviously now, with the war of the Russian invasion over
1:29:19
the attempt to invade Ukraine criminally, as Putin is doing, and well,
1:29:26
everything that is being triggered around that an important arms race because the fear of
1:29:34
war, of an open war, is there. But the military, political,
1:29:43
economic turbulence, and apparently the other day there was a kind of joke
1:29:48
I saw a surprise face of the Horwell that would put two twenty- four
1:29:58
as I wanted and said my own saying has been fulfilled and it is true.
1:30:01
The system even that Europe is generating is a control system, unifying control.
1:30:09
This right now that all mobiles in the European Union are proposing that all
1:30:14
mobiles be controlled to control pederasty. And to control pederasty, we have to
1:30:19
control every citizen' s mobile phone, which is theoretically already controlled by satellites.
1:30:26
But it already means everything points to a system of antichrist truth of world
1:30:31
control points to that. Not good. The truth is that politics in many
1:30:38
stages of history has been anti- Christian anti- Christ. And in the
1:30:44
New Testament it is said that many antichrists have risen up because they are mentioned
1:30:48
as one who, sometimes religiously, sometimes politically, rises up against all the
1:30:55
values that Christ came to transmit to the earth, values such as love of
1:31:00
neighbor, such as Jewry, helps the disadvantaged, such as the search for
1:31:05
truth, as the search for social justice. When there are powers that are
1:31:13
concrete people and even groups, they can not only be a person, but
1:31:17
a group, an elite, they stand against those values. There have already
1:31:23
been antichrists and there have been many. There has been a neron, for
1:31:26
he was the first to mention Christian history, but we see how Napoleon himself
1:31:31
was considered antichrist in his time, self crowned, true emperor, taking from
1:31:36
the Pope that crown, naturally, of off Hilller. We could talk about
1:31:43
Stalin and other great dictators like Mosetún, who were antichrists, were anti-
1:31:49
value of what Christ proposed and now and murderer and the rest good, murderers
1:31:56
of their own peoples and of the foreign peoples that invaded. Then there is
1:32:00
a policy, a way of thinking, of seeing the world that is always
1:32:06
anti- Christian and against the Christ, or is anti- Christ and we
1:32:12
live perhaps in a time that is that formula. It is increasingly dangerous,
1:32:16
because the control it has over individuals is greater. Let us think of Rome,
1:32:25
for the control an emperor could have at that time was very small.
1:32:29
Let' s think practically minimally about what happened, even the Napoleonic invasions,
1:32:34
are the Giles dogs. Hitler already had greater control of society, but also
1:32:38
comparatively very small and clearly, because he could not dominate every sphere of the
1:32:45
human being. But, as you say right now, because thanks to technology,
1:32:48
it is very easy, very simple, to control the human being.
1:32:53
And that bothers us, fills us with uncertainty, with fear, because we
1:32:59
can be constantly watched, constantly recorded and then you use those images or those
1:33:08
words in any way. Then, in addition, all this is linked to
1:33:11
artificial intelligence, which is already dominating many systems, many large companies are controlled
1:33:17
with artificial intelligence and security systems and soon, as we will see that in
1:33:24
that sense we are also going to be even more controlled by this artificial intelligence.
1:33:29
Of course, when Christians have imagined the end of times, as Orwell
1:33:32
did with his novel, which was a great criticism, the totalitarian system,
1:33:39
especially communist of the time that many admired, and he who had been a
1:33:42
very left- wing name and I have come to Spain to roach the civil
1:33:45
gra, especially in Catalonia, because we see that he realizes the danger of
1:33:49
the end of the religious system that ideologies suppose. As you said before,
1:33:56
we have removed Christianity from the equation of Europe. For a long time we
1:34:00
have put ideologies in which there is a cult to the leader. What they
1:34:04
have been trying to do since the 1960s to Europe is to build a Europe
1:34:10
that more with Europe, as you said about that prosperity, inequality, that
1:34:14
solidarity. If it is a question in Europe that dominates the rest of the
1:34:19
territories and an idea of Europe that is far removed from the reality of the
1:34:25
citizens, then all this makes us very uncertain, very afraid. And besides,
1:34:29
we see that it is something on a global level. There is only
1:34:32
one need, then, for a politician to show his ability to dominate the
1:34:40
world, his ability to bring peace, something that is the human being,
1:34:43
nela from the beginning security and peace, which are promises that the Bible tells
1:34:47
us, that Antichrist will give to humanity, and also the war of Israel
1:34:54
also one of those thermometers of history. And we see that it seems that
1:35:00
everyone is preparing in some way for that end of time. This is not
1:35:06
possible and Europe has much to do with that end of history, as we
1:35:11
conceive it in the West. Yes, it seems that we do not want
1:35:16
to believe that the prophecies already in the 20th century the great prophecy of the
1:35:21
reconstitution of the one millennial state. There are States that have been reconstituted,
1:35:26
but not millennials like Israel. And this gives more prominence to the thing.
1:35:30
The only reconstituted millennial State that has regained its national identity for all intents and
1:35:36
purposes has been Israel. And it is a fulfilled prophecy, unmistakably fulfilled.
1:35:42
And but everything that' s going on, obviously, and we don'
1:35:46
t want to believe that everything points towards the end of time. I don
1:35:50
' t know if it' ll be decades or but this doesn' t
1:35:58
last long, as it looks now. I was thinking about Yorwell and the
1:36:01
theme of nine hundred and sixty- four. But rebellion at the Farm is
1:36:04
another prophetic issue. This man who acted was a prophet because of things that
1:36:11
explain what has happened. Just like not And now I' m going to
1:36:16
provoke you a little bit to You Mario, as a writer the subject and
1:36:23
maybe find out that you already have some of this, the AI artificial intelligence
1:36:28
issue. If there' s a cyber blackout that may control almost everything or
1:36:33
everything from hospitals, services, from a whole country, you can paralyze a
1:36:41
hack from a country, from an institution, from many institutions, from a
1:36:46
city and that and it' s already happening, because there are already fires
1:36:51
of that. That may be a collective hijacking of hidden powers you say,
1:37:00
well, now you' re covering July, but it' s credible.
1:37:04
I' m somehow violating the territory of a new novel of yours or no
1:37:14
good could be we haven' t already seen cases of similar situations. It
1:37:18
is clear that wars are now being played in many different fields, it is
1:37:24
like the great chess, which we sometimes believe is only true by launching missiles
1:37:29
or bombs or sending armies of cyber warfare that began to do decades ago and
1:37:33
that is increasingly vicious. There are large systems of cyberattacks established in countries such
1:37:42
as China especially and also Russia. Also in Europe and the United States he
1:37:46
makes his attacks against his enemies. In that sense, and as you say,
1:37:53
right now. Being such a complex society, we are so vulnerable to
1:37:59
the control of the electricity law and the media, perseveringly of the Internet.
1:38:04
Only with those control of those two would they practically hack the whole world.
1:38:10
No. We have no way to survive. Not in the past, a
1:38:15
hundred years ago people had lived in the countryside. Eighty percent had an orchard,
1:38:17
they could try a little bit to survive a goat. I don'
1:38:24
t know anything they could hunt us down right now we depend 100% on
1:38:28
technology. The funny thing is that this message of the end of the world,
1:38:32
not that we are commenting now and have to do with Europe with this
1:38:36
end of the world, is something that previously seemed to only say, especially
1:38:42
Christians, although good muso or Muslim has his idea also of the end of
1:38:45
the world and not very different from the Christian one. But now we see
1:38:47
in the secular world that speaks of the end of the world. Yes,
1:38:50
yes, yes, yes, yes, such a good, sometimes they see
1:38:54
it from an ecological point of view, not a world that collapses due to
1:38:59
the excessive exploitation of raw materials and the expulsion of gases into the atmosphere,
1:39:04
and that makes climate change so apocalyptic that it destroys the world. Sometimes because
1:39:10
of the excess of the end of those resources, sometimes because of a massive
1:39:15
cyber attack, even artificial intelligence, rebelling against the human being himself. I
1:39:19
recently saw robots. I think that the Chinese military military uses drones, which
1:39:28
are half robots also a little directed, but with intelligence already surely personal.
1:39:35
Then we see that all this, which looked like science novels, fiction,
1:39:40
is happening. And then there' s another novel you' ll like about
1:39:43
Hootley, too. We are going to a happy world and, in the
1:39:45
meantime, it is a happy world people, we are all so entertaining,
1:39:53
so immersed in that water of constant information that leaves us almost with the mind
1:39:59
blank and so many visual mule styles that it seems that all of that doesn
1:40:03
' t matter to us. We would rather not think of it as if
1:40:06
the Titanic sank while the orchestra plays its last song and Europe sometimes gives that
1:40:13
feeling. There are small signs that things can change. I was not talking
1:40:18
about having a personal friend who works at the drug agency who is so famous
1:40:25
for the whole pandemic, and how we are trying, for example, to
1:40:28
produce medicine in Europe that almost all is produced outside the microchips. And Europe
1:40:33
is trying to react to this. But it is also trying to increase military
1:40:39
spending to make itself safer. But the failure there I think you agreed with
1:40:45
me, is that Europe lacks that idea as a whole, not that idea
1:40:48
of the whole that Christianity gave it. But then we should define whether Christianity
1:40:55
is an individual act or something collective. This is not what St Augustine does,
1:40:58
it is the city of God in which either it has been the great
1:41:01
debate if the society that is Christian or it is the individuals that there is
1:41:08
in that society that is to be Christians because they form a Christian society,
1:41:13
because it is true that the values principles ways of thinking about Christianity came to
1:41:17
impel everything, because, justice, political government, the way of understanding society
1:41:21
and even the idea of democracy, as we understand it comes from the Greeks,
1:41:27
then has its good mix in the time of reform that is given by
1:41:31
the current parliamentary democracy. But instead, we see that that fails. So,
1:41:36
even if Europe tries to arm itself again, try again to have a
1:41:42
common political position and be relevant in the world, it lacks what is important
1:41:46
not that account that of a universal Europe consciousness, and I believe that Christianity
1:41:51
should be that account. But on the other hand, Christianity in Europe continues
1:41:58
to decline at forced rates n n n ns countries. Others not so much,
1:42:00
curiously, in the countries of the East, that so much was attacked
1:42:05
in this sense, maintain their Christian conditions, while the West, because it
1:42:13
is in a free fall of religious beliefs and especially Christianity. The absolute,
1:42:20
absolute, absolute secularization, the exclusion in the social imaginary of the Jewish Christian
1:42:27
culture as a culture, according to some of these aware, of turn,
1:42:32
that is repressive, guilty and anachronistic. And so, but it turns out
1:42:42
that on this foundation it has been and Protestant reform has had a lot to
1:42:46
do with the birth of modern democracy. I mean, it' s clear,
1:42:50
but, well, this would give a lot more of itself mario.
1:42:54
Of course, with you, we can talk about such interesting things that we
1:43:00
are talking about Europe, where it is going and the origins of Europe and
1:43:05
Europe' s current affairs, but let' s talk about your books,
1:43:10
talking about your latest audiences. I have here the page then. You can
1:43:13
enter the Marius Cobar page. Mario Escobar' s official website is and there
1:43:17
you will see many interesting things. Tell us about your latest publications, in
1:43:24
which you draw our attention. The truth is that this year has been very
1:43:29
productive. There were practically three novels in a row, two more for America
1:43:35
and one for Spain, the Spanish. It is the Bookstore of Madrid,
1:43:39
which talks about the civil war and about a German free one coming to Madrid.
1:43:45
He opened a bookstore also behind the story of love and integrates into the
1:43:49
German Community of Madrid, which was mostly very close to what would be the
1:43:54
Lutheran church that was in the city and the College go that had been founded
1:44:00
by the Flitner family. But it is a bit the unfortunate adventures problems of
1:44:06
this young barbarian who finds a Madrid full of mysteries with also a buoyant culture.
1:44:14
That time of the meetings, the books begin to reach everyone and good
1:44:17
is discovering that wonderful Madrid by the hand of a real character, Luis Fernández
1:44:24
Beor, who was a writer of police novel of the 1930s in Madrid,
1:44:29
And everything gets complicated. Ideologies begin to have so much strength in that Madrid
1:44:36
and in that Spain of the Republic, that they begin to deteriorate everything until
1:44:41
the outbreak of the civil war and what happened afterwards. Then a historical novel,
1:44:45
but also a tribute to books, bookstores, all those booksellers. True,
1:44:49
for decades they have helped us to keep dreaming to see what in the
1:44:55
books Sometimes there is a hope that there is not in the reality that surrounds
1:45:00
us and it is a novel that, well, already carries its second edition
1:45:01
State. I have travelled practically all over Spain with many readers who have enjoyed
1:45:09
this adventure and already finishing with the Madrid Book Fair. I' ve got
1:45:13
two days left. I was already the first day and well, with the
1:45:15
good news that it had never happened to me that at the time and little
1:45:18
of being signing, all the books were finished and I left earlier because they
1:45:23
had been exhausted. Then we hope that these remaining days will also be so.
1:45:27
And then there are two very different stories. One about Juan de Valdés,
1:45:31
The Beauty of Words, which is a novel about this character that makes
1:45:35
the dialogue of the language and the dialogue of Christian doctrine. Okay. The
1:45:39
first one I mentioned before goes out with editions. B conditions came out And
1:45:44
this is with BH, which is an American publishing house and Bueno is also
1:45:49
being, because very read by the old Good, the new continent, better
1:45:54
said, the old ones are for us and I have had several interviews with
1:45:59
different countries of America and they are falling in love with this Spanish character so
1:46:03
forgotten by his heterodoxy. How he is the brother of Alfonso Valdés, secretary
1:46:08
of Carlos v a man who creates together with Nebrija, because the first grammar,
1:46:15
an incredible man, but also, a life full of emotion and adventure.
1:46:17
And this novel, because it also came out in this first half of
1:46:20
the year. And the third that came out was the commander of the people
1:46:26
who gave the story of Camilo Cienfuegos about revolutionary Cuba. He' s dating
1:46:30
Spanish harper Colins. And how, then, this man who supports the revolution
1:46:34
then realizes that he does not go to the place he thought and tries to
1:46:40
reveal himself. But it' s too late. Then the story of the
1:46:43
walk of Fires, son of Spaniards, as Fidel Castro was, and so,
1:46:46
a very politically meaningful man, but also very much loved by the Cuban
1:46:51
people, because, while others gave great speeches, truth and very long speeches.
1:46:57
He was with the people and then, this man began to put himself
1:47:01
in the regime and disappeared a little. That story with Spanish Harper Corense is
1:47:06
the third one that came out early in the year and very excited because within
1:47:12
a very little time it is reissued Canción de Cuna Dousby that, in a
1:47:16
novel that has been exhausted for a long time, comes out with B editions
1:47:20
in pocket on the fourth of July, or a very significant date and is
1:47:28
the anteroom of October when it will come out again in the big song size
1:47:31
of Cuna Dawsvid and Auswit' s love song, which is the last work
1:47:33
I have written. It will be released by October of this year on paper
1:47:39
and in the e- book, and I will come back again for Sousbi,
1:47:43
after almost ten years of my first novel about Usbie' s lullaby and
1:47:47
good and then I could keep talking because there' s a book about Coritein
1:47:53
Boon coming out in February of the year that' s written one about Hoffer
1:47:59
and a soro novel with Hoffer, so it doesn' t go beyond working
1:48:02
with many stories that I' ll tell in very interesting. Or to a
1:48:03
song that she' s beautiful. That novel is beautiful and it can wet
1:48:10
me like so many others. I am very interested in Mario Escobar' s
1:48:16
Bookshop of Madrid, one of his latest publications. Very interesting for her,
1:48:21
for her and then the theme of the beauty of the words that we find
1:48:29
in the story of Juan de Valdez and the brightness of his prose, in
1:48:32
the darkness of the inquisition. It is what in some way is the description,
1:48:38
that is to say another of Mario Escobar' s literary beauties and interesting,
1:48:45
also historical and novel. The village commander is also this one. One
1:48:49
of the last works. It is a novel based on the life of Camilo
1:48:56
one hundred Fires and his mysterious death by the Castro regime, apparently the colleague,
1:49:02
but that removed the Stalin and Mausetun style from the middle with the campaign
1:49:08
of the one hundred Flowers and so many others who were ultimately murderers. But
1:49:12
of those choirs there are not hundreds of thousands, but millions of people who
1:49:18
take them away from middle dissidents. But how interesting to read from those who
1:49:25
know the story, he is a historian, he is a professor of the
1:49:29
subject. There is also that writer, a successful writer. Yes, because
1:49:33
it is, we are not talking about flattering you, because it is your
1:49:41
novels and your narratives and your history books, because being among the many highlights
1:49:47
of the current bibliography, the narrative and other literary disciplines, as you know,
1:49:55
for directly from the Amazon platform you can also access in addition to your
1:49:59
pages. God cobar is yes also right now, for example, the bookseller
1:50:04
of Madrid can be bought on all platforms English cut or go to the shops
1:50:10
there in the fairs of many cities that are now, because beginning ending up
1:50:15
in the nag at home of the book, in any bookstore and those who
1:50:19
listen to us from the other side of the world. Well, there'
1:50:21
s the eBook right now and the physical Book will come out by July.
1:50:26
For the United States and then, from there also reach Mexico between July and
1:50:30
August and other cities and countries of Hispanic America the rest of the summer,
1:50:36
that is, it will be arriving by the end of the summer. I
1:50:39
believe Argentina and other places. Well, I' m going to go because
1:50:44
I have near the English Gordi to get the Bookstore of Madrid, which I
1:50:50
don' t have and I want to give him the glove, because dear
1:50:58
Mario, a pleasure to talk to you immensely because here listening to someone like
1:51:04
you, because we stay, because we are mouthed at many times. But
1:51:08
for that is the program of the train of life, also to cultivate and
1:51:12
to make known at least some scraps, because we can not stay as many
1:51:17
hours as we want, But how important it is to talk about Europe before
1:51:24
and after and now and the Europe that comes, which is uncertain, but
1:51:28
also of the books, the bibliography of Mario Escobar, which is so prolific
1:51:32
and so interesting. Dear friend, I' m sending you a big hug.
1:51:35
Well, I say Julio, thanks also to you for this wonderful program,
1:51:41
which spreads culture in all its senses and so necessary, because a human
1:51:45
right, like others who speak so much, is the right to culture and
1:51:48
that continues to defend it. So it is, it is, therefore,
1:51:54
a very affectionate embrace even forever. Good hug Chao Chao, the life train
1:52:23
hello. Friends, it' s Julio Perez. You know I' m
1:52:35
the director of the radio show, the weekly Magaxing, the train of life.
1:52:43
And it does nothing less than thirty- two years that we travel through
1:52:47
many human landscapes and many curiosities and things of life, earthly life and heavenly
1:52:53
life. I also have the joy of telling you that I published my book,
1:53:01
a book that has to do with the train of life. There are
1:53:05
fifty selected articles written by me. There are six seasons and in each season
1:53:15
there is a section of eight reflections, temporary reflections for an eternal destiny.
1:53:21
These are the things I tell in this book. These are perceptions, analyses,
1:53:30
experiences, comments and other curiosity in those fifty reflections, in those six
1:53:38
seasons, until we arrive at the station. There is also a very important
1:53:42
block. This book can already be found on Amazon on the editorial platform of
1:53:48
Amazón. Traveling on the train of life is called the book. It'
1:53:54
s the title of the book Traveling on the Train of Life. Julio Pérez,
1:53:59
a server is the author. Then there you can well know that the
1:54:05
train tells us about trips, trips through life. Life is a kind of
1:54:11
living parable, like a running train, that there are so many sensations and
1:54:15
so many experiences inside the train and what we are seeing inside and what we
1:54:20
see from the train out. Well, that' s where I propose you
1:54:27
have access to this book. Look at this book. I' ve done
1:54:29
it with a lot of love. I think there are things that are very
1:54:30
dear, very intimate, and others not so intimate are very, very open,
1:54:38
but it is a book that I have done from the heart and with
1:54:42
the heart traveling on the train of life. It is the title of a
1:54:47
Julio Pérez server on Amazon' s editorial platform. You can find him.
1:54:54
The book has a cost of fifteen euros in about 180 pages and everything collected
1:54:59
from that book is invested, reinvested in the radio project of Onda Paz or
1:55:05
Napau and in the train of life. Of course it is part of the
1:55:12
project so that this is put on and kept going as long as it never
1:55:15
stops So, I remind you and I thank you in advance for buying my
1:55:20
book on Amazon' s platform. Traveling in the train of the life of
1:55:27
a servant Julio Pérez. Thank you. Until always he was not a doctor
1:55:58
everything that changed my heart, it was not your majesty and your splendor that
1:56:10
speaks to me and comes to me solmor, which leads me to follow this
1:56:19
path to the end. It was your love, your impossible compassion, your
1:56:31
tail, the sweet sora of this was your tender love like the pure breeze
1:56:46
that heals like a smile and that of an arm. It was your way
1:57:02
of seeing love you give. It wasn' t authority that changed my condition,
1:57:25
it wasn' t your immense glory, your fulgo, what I prided
1:57:36
myself on, what has me to your feet that leads me to believe,
1:57:46
for your love, your impossible compassion, your wave that does sora tru was
1:58:05
your love as tender as the breeze that heals as an arm smile. It
1:58:19
was the crozi as devilss say reserves says negotiable to be your dog. It
1:58:45
was so that gender- based violence would never leave this sign again. Society
1:59:01
has this other zero sixteen tell me calmly. We' re going to help
1:59:11
you at the first sign of mistreatment. Call phone zero sixteen can mean another
1:59:15
life. A government of Spain hard travels on the train of life. Or
1:59:43
ladies and gentlemen, we have already come to the colors of life. Life
1:59:48
is a pantone of different colors, reliefs, perspectives and shapes. Life is
1:59:57
polyhedral in so many aspects, so many different bodies. And this is one
2:00:04
of the Conjugal life. But in the Conjugal life when obstacles occur, the
2:00:10
obstacles in our communication as a couple, which is very important for the development
2:00:16
of a healthy coexistence, conjugal coexistence. A saying says no one throws stones
2:00:24
or sticks at a fruitless tree. And in the field of couple relationships,
2:00:28
there is a tree from which good fruits can be reaped and it is good
2:00:31
communication. However, as the proverb seems to say, this tree often has
2:00:38
enemies and obstacles that can cast fruit on the ground. For that it is
2:00:45
necessary to know them in order to be able to overcome them successfully, since
2:00:51
the ignorance of these obstacles is the first factor that makes them seemingly so insurmountable
2:00:59
in some cases, and today we ask ourselves some things. Let' s
2:01:02
talk to Daniel Gaso about this. There we have him online with us directly.
2:01:10
Good morning, dear, Daniel, friend, good morning, July and
2:01:14
good morning to all who listen to us. Daniel, the first question I
2:01:19
put to you to open this topic, this debate. What are these obstacles
2:01:26
in the communicative relationship? Therefore, one of the problems that hinders good communication
2:01:32
in the couple' s environment is the accumulation of small conflicts and discrepancies that
2:01:39
end without closing, that is, without dialogue. What it means to shut
2:01:44
down. It means dialogue and leaving an acceptable agreement on what happened and how
2:01:48
to prevent it from happening. Perhaps if we do not create the habit of
2:01:51
dialogue in the discrepancies, then of listening and committing ourselves to the solution of
2:01:58
the problem through some kind of agreement or the ponto conflict. It ends up
2:02:00
acting like a small fire, that is, it ignites per hard for a
2:02:05
small time and then it goes extinct without doing anything, it simply goes out,
2:02:12
but its ashes remain there and when it avoids us, we will let
2:02:15
the small conflicts end without talking or from them it accumulates resentments and how many
2:02:21
slopes that finally become an obstacle and discourages us to feed our communication. We
2:02:28
always say that we have to keep short accounts and that is one of the
2:02:32
obstacles in communication, but the tone and attitude we maintain in our interactions,
2:02:39
as a couple, also exert an important influence in favor of communication or not.
2:02:44
It' s not like that, Daniel, because it' s the
2:02:50
tone we use in our interactions with our partner, the attitude, the kind
2:02:56
of expression, all that conveys to the other person the role we give him
2:02:59
in the interaction. It' s very important to see if I can explain
2:03:02
that to myself in that respect. For example, instead of being an interaction
2:03:05
an exchange of communication between two equal adults, which is what it should be
2:03:11
in the context of the couple, it may look like an interaction between,
2:03:15
for example, a father and a daughter, or a mother and a son,
2:03:17
or a boss and an employee, or someone wise and someone ignorant,
2:03:21
or someone who is right and someone who is wrong, etc. This causes
2:03:26
the interaction to become hostile. Why, then, because one of the two
2:03:30
captures the role given to him in the background and even if he is not
2:03:36
fully aware. One hundred percent reject it, feel uncomfortable, undervalued and a
2:03:43
simple act of communication becomes a conflict. The problem is that when this happens,
2:03:48
the conflict almost never closes because, because the discussion ends up focusing on
2:03:53
the roles we give each other. But we never end up focusing on the
2:04:00
real subject that needed to be discussed, on a central topic that we were
2:04:04
dealing with. So this is what happens whenever it becomes a paper war.
2:04:09
Let' s say no, yes, I give you a role but I
2:04:13
don' t accept it, I don' t afe. You, you
2:04:13
don' t accept it in our conversation, in our communication and vice versa.
2:04:17
Then that ends up turning into a problem. How important it is to
2:04:23
learn to live together and understand. I don' t know the truth.
2:04:26
It has been published in many studies that couples who give each other space,
2:04:30
allowing each member to have a certain level of autonomy to engage in individual interests,
2:04:36
are couples whose relationship is more mature, more solid and more stable.
2:04:42
That’ s true, Daniel, for as strange as some may appear as
2:04:47
it is to leave a space for my spouse to be alone from time to
2:04:54
time dedicated to cultivating a healthy personal hobby. It is an act of affirmation
2:04:58
in which I showed respect for our partner and in some way, I commit
2:05:03
myself to his singularity, to his tastes, to his characteristics, while at
2:05:09
the same time it is an act of confidence in which I recognize that he
2:05:14
can perform. That' s very important I also recognize that my partner can
2:05:18
do something that doesn' t prove rewarding without me. This adds security in
2:05:24
this relationship. It means that no one is afraid of being urgently needed no
2:05:30
matter how surprising it may appear to love and communicate. It' s not
2:05:33
based on us needing each other, even though that' s apparently a lot
2:05:39
of romantic Hollywood movies. I need you yes famous to initiu in English,
2:05:43
but in reality the couple relationship is not based on need, but is based
2:05:47
on that we have decided to link our lives in a solid and sustained way.
2:05:54
It is a free decision of each and that we renew it day by
2:05:57
day. If I' m with you because I need it, then what
2:06:00
happens, because I' m here because of a need and the need does
2:06:05
not allow me anything else, in other words, I have no other choice,
2:06:11
but this is the philosophy that sometimes hides many relationships as a couple.
2:06:14
When we leave mutual space, it is a sign that our relationship is solid.
2:06:19
When husband and wife, wife and husband leave room for each other,
2:06:24
recognizing each other in that space means that there is a real relationship that is
2:06:28
working. Not necessarily. We have to do everything together, even though that
2:06:32
sounds strange, but it' s actually very real. That we don'
2:06:38
t need to go everywhere outside always all together, as if we were months
2:06:45
ago not many times the couple' s environment without realizing it. Julio works
2:06:48
to create dependency, and that is not a fluid relationship or stimulates deep communication.
2:06:57
Dependence is dependence, but it is a solid and deep and mature relationship,
2:07:01
because at the bottom of that relationship what is hidden, which is the
2:07:05
fear of the loneliness of either spouse or perhaps both. It is not a
2:07:11
matter of generating dependencies in the whole case. What it is about is to
2:07:14
generate a relationship that is based on love, and love is based on a
2:07:18
solid decision that we renew every day. This aspect is a very, very
2:07:27
common key. I come to my memory couples that I know with this syndrome
2:07:33
that well, no doubt, because they love each other and so I do
2:07:38
not doubt the contrary, but it is a key somewhat novel and in your
2:07:44
clinical experience, because it helps us, implements us, because that idea of
2:07:50
necessary dependence. Let' s not say not make it easier for us to
2:08:01
fulfill diverse roles to develop our vital spaces and then converge in moments that are
2:08:11
unrenunciable together, but to learn that non- dependence, that is an act
2:08:13
of maturity. I consider it that way. It is yes, yes,
2:08:16
it is, indeed Julio is a quote. In some cases, if that
2:08:20
were to happen, this dependence generated would lead to extremes. We' re
2:08:26
talking about fifty or sixty years ago. There was still a brutal, very
2:08:33
strong dependence of the female figure on the male one. There was the classic
2:08:39
figure of the lady who couldn' t do anything if she didn' t
2:08:43
go with her husband wherever she went and didn' t do anything if her
2:08:46
husband didn' t accompany her. Then this even came to protect itself even
2:08:52
legally created a legal environment around that situation that was not yet favored anymore.
2:09:00
But that really is a very, very destructive thing. It' s not
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a couple' s life. In me it is a relationship of truth,
2:09:07
of deep love. It' s dependency. Yes, yes, gentlemen,
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it is a subject, a very important detail. We live in an increasingly
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complex society in which we are each given a series of roles as we walk
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the path of our development from childhood to maturity and another of the obstacles in
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communication. It' s not a bad management of those personal roles. Well,
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I don' t know, no or yes and Daniel, yeah,
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yeah. It' s certainly a bad management. Personal roles are sort of
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scripts. We are in a society that is becoming more and more complex.
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So personal mistakes are a kind of script that everyone has to be socially accepted,
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which defines what is expected of us in different contexts. Thus, for
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example, there is the role of the professional of whatever, the role of
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father mother in the family context, the role of husband and wife of the
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protext of couple, he of son or daughter, the role of student,
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that of citizen of the great city or of a great nurbe, that of
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partner or co- worker, the disoptence of a social entity. All these
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are different roles, each with its own characteristics. Often the exercise of those
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roles, of those multiple roles in the same person, because we all have
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many ones. Gold is difficult to know how to alter properly, because there
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are more and more and each one must be treated and managed in its context
2:10:45
and can be a source of conflicts in communicative exchanges, when, for example,
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the Chief or Director General or the cape cannot continue to be at home,
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since this forces in a wrong way to understand the relational dimension of the
2:10:58
interaction that the other, our spouse, has forced himself to reject. Logically,
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of course, I can' t without realizing it. I have to
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change the chip in a way when I get home. I can' t
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start treating my spouse like I' m the boss and my co- coup
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is the subordinate, the employee. I' m putting up a case,
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maybe a little overstated, a little extreme, but that doesn' t get
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it. It may not fully play the wrong role, that sometimes happens,
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but if some of the characteristics of that role are inadequate, for example,
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raise your voice to any contradiction or expect immediate and unconditional obedience, without prior
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argumentation, without dialogue, etcetera, etcetera. Okay That' s the result
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of playing some hierarchical role that' s out of place. On the other
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hand, because of the pressure exerted by our society, which is very competitive
2:11:52
and focused on material and professional achievements, many roles compete with each other,
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claiming within the same person, demanding the exclusive attention of the person and his
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or her time, and what they do is impose a kind of tyranny on
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the person' s agenda. The problem is that there are many roles whose
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exercise leaves out our family and partner relationships and with them our deepest emotional needs.
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For example, one of the classics is to be so involved in the
2:12:22
exercise of the professional role, for example, that it ends up invading the
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family spaces. That' s a classic, but a reality. We will
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all meet people, even some of us will have seen each other at some
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point in the situation that our work or professional role is over. We have
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turned without realizing it in such a way that it has ended, going to
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the detriment of our time of relationship and our time of quality, of family
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relationship and of couple. When we are communicating Daniel, the way we are
2:12:56
also addressing each other conveys the way we see each other and many times there
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is a profound discrepancy in that way of seeing each other, that is,
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you disagree in the way I see you and that is not resolved. Communication
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will be almost impossible. That' s how this analysis is. Yes,
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indeed, July. Disagreement in the sharing of papers during the communicative exchange is
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a vital aspect that can greatly hinder communication. And I don' t necessarily
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mean that we' re saying something unpleasant. We' re saying something nasty
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to each other. We often confuse an interaction in the couple that must be
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symmetrical, as we said before, that is, between two equals, with
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a complementary and unequal interaction in which one of the two concerns a position superior
2:13:50
to the other, as if it were an interaction between father, son or
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adult and child. Between me I' m fine and you' re wrong.
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I' m perfectly fine and your bad. I' m the boss
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and I' m the junior, etcetera, etcetera. Of course, if
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you agree on the role I assign to you and on which I assign myself
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in our communication, there will be no problem. You' ll make it
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tight for both of us. We' ll act in line with our roles.
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But if we disagree or if I disagree or disagree you, in my
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definition of you or me or both, communication will not be constructive. You
2:14:28
will feel uncomfortable if I insist on the initial distribution of errors and do not
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really put stubborn in that aspect, then what will happen, that a situation
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of controversy will begin whose end depends on what depends, because on our usual
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way of reacting to a situation of contrariety. We already know, if we
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have commented on some previous program, that there are people that we call cat,
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there are people that we call armadillo or hare people, that is,
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people that what they do is confront and generate a situation of confrontation siderass cat
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armadillos, those that close in band and suspend all communication and the hare,
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which is the one that flees, simply slips away from the situation. But
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that' s the way to end the interaction. But it always happens because
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there is a discrepancy in the way we ration in the roles we give ourselves.
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You give me a role, but I don' t agree with that
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mistake you give me ok. That will depend on how the situation ends.
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It will depend on the usual pattern with which we each have to face up
2:15:33
to the contrariety. However, if we do not manage to dialogue and rethink
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these discordant visions in our communication, in that communication of each one, the
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communication, in the end will be interrupted and leave a conflict without closing caramba.
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Another obstacle also Daniel, are the agendas that are often determined from places
2:15:56
outside the couple or to family life, and then follow priorities alien to our
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Conyugal relationship. True, that' s Julia, a problem that' s
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getting more and more widespread. Unfortunately, and at least that' s what
2:16:11
I see. That is my experience and that affects quality communication in the field
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of the couple. It is that the family agenda is often determined from outside
2:16:20
the family nucleus, depending on whether, depending on priorities and interests other than
2:16:26
the family or the couple, for example, interests of type as we have
2:16:31
said, work of one or both of the members, or sometimes the interests
2:16:33
and relational needs of the couple are sacrificed for priorities and interests not only of
2:16:37
type of work, but of social groups that provide entertainment or that provide some
2:16:43
kind of social approval That is also very significant with which either or perhaps both
2:16:48
of the spouses feel satisfied and gratified. So, many times the agenda of
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that institution of this group, of this relationship group, that gives me so
2:17:03
much approval or I feel so gratified and tested ends up sending or ruling over
2:17:11
the national agenda in our family partner environment. However, this kind of gratification
2:17:16
that we always get is short- term, it never lasts forever and it
2:17:22
is necessary to face that need of promotion that we have so powerful, that
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it is so powerful as to overcome the needs of the family relationship. That
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is what would help us to ask ourselves the question why the agenda or my
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agenda, is determined by the contact and activities, etc of this group and
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because it goes above the needs of family and partner cities. What am I
2:17:48
looking for, why do I need approval in such a substantial way? What
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' s going on inside me, I don' t need this way.
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Yes, it is clear how many things, things, but the limited knowledge
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of or, the deficient interpretation of what makes us different is also an obstacle
2:18:09
in our true communication, as this is many times in the encounters and talks
2:18:16
that we talk about the differences in the relationships of couples, many times that
2:18:22
was emphasized and I would like to emphasize that the obstacle is not the differences
2:18:26
Julio, but the way in which we interpret them. This is the key,
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the problem, not that we are different, but in how I interpret
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differences. If there is a scenario in which differences are evident, it is
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in couple relationships. In this context its influence is widely exercised all the traits
2:18:46
and characteristics that make us different. And although, of course, there is
2:18:50
no time to expand on the detailed analysis of those differences, I would at
2:18:56
least like to mention the three major areas differences in the environment, in the
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couple. The first is gender differences. Although today it is very fashionable not
2:19:05
to emphasize gender differences and all philosophy, etcetera, etcetera. We cannot stop
2:19:13
at dealing with whether the origin of these differences is rather genetic, cultural or
2:19:18
the result of both interacting. But what is clear is that communication exchanges in
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the couple clearly show different trends and interpret the same reality and are linked to
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gender. It has been shown in various experiments that men and women use their
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brains' resources differently to process the same reality. This is unquestionable. It
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is a demonstrable reality and the fact has already been demonstrated The second source of
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differences. What individual differences in our personality, The traits of our personality,
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place each of us in a different place from which we interpret the communicative sites.
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So, for example, what for an extrovert, for example, is
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a clear message, for an introvert is a threat. It is like seeing
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it the monument is so well known from acosomegra the family from different angles.
2:20:16
We need to learn not to disqualify the façade that each one has described from
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his angle and communicating his own. And so we build a kind of model
2:20:26
in three dimensions of what concerns us to bequeath to a constructive agreement with the
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vision. Only in one dimension can we not lose ourselves in a battle for
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dominance from one' s own angle, which will only have negative consequences.
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That' s what we say so many times that you can' t watch
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a single- camera movie. It' s impossible. You end up really
2:20:52
dizzy and you miss a big substantial part of reality. Each, in his
2:20:54
personality, has his own camera with which he registers and processes reality at the
2:20:58
same time. What needs to be taken into account is that there are both
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cameras and that this difference is what enriches us forgiveness and finally, the differences
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in our baggage of experiences and our learning of experiences, which this learning has
2:21:20
generated in each of the members of the couple, scripts or patterns of behavior
2:21:24
and ways of dealing with the life learned from childhood with the models of relationship
2:21:30
of our earlier family environment. So what is said is that we never marry
2:21:35
only our spouse in whom we are, with our spouse and with their parents,
2:21:39
to say the least, or with their closest parenting environment, so what
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for one can be a lawful communicative resource. For example, there are families
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that do not have any hostility and aggression, because when they speak, they
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will be in a higher circle and like a little more passionate and, on
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the other hand, others that do not. And what for one is a
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completely natural olive tone, for another can be a tone, well, unpleasant,
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difficult, complicated, offensive, etcetera. That is to say, for
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one thing a lawful communicative resource can be absolutely inadmissible for another. And why,
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then, because perhaps it resembles some negative experience that either one of you
2:22:28
has experienced in his childhood in essence odole, you can activate a pattern of
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behavior that puts him on the defensive ho even puts him a little aggressive.
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Then it is a very, very extensive topic, that of the differences in
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our baggage of experiences and that is usually little or little talked about. But
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on the other hand, I believe in July, unless in my experience,
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that it is one of the areas that cause the most couple parrasin conflicts.
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So many things to learn. One of the problems that also affects communication between
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couples, Daniel is the inadequate way to communicate our needs. Many times we
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face the communication of what we need from a wrong angle. I believe it
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' s true, the effect. The more intimate the bond that unites two
2:23:22
people and the longer it lasts in time, the more essential it becomes,
2:23:28
the more impresisting it is made the communication of our needs between us, that
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is, if I am a person with whom I live only once a week
2:23:37
and I see it more appetizing, there will hardly be need to communicate our
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needs to us at an intimate and deep level, but the relationship of couple,
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of course, is not so. The problem is that we often pass
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on to our partner what we need in demand or recrimination mode. I mean,
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we give our partner instructions on what he should have done or what he
2:24:03
should have done. And we must not forget that recrimination has no power to
2:24:11
motivate positive changes from the other. Unless I don' t know anyone who
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recrimination has motivated him to change. On the contrary, it has motivated him
2:24:20
to become more involved in his vision. Rather, what often causes the person
2:24:24
to raise his or her defenses because he or she feels questioned or questioned or
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exposed. So, if what I want is for my partner to become aware
2:24:35
of something that I need and I know that this thing that I need is
2:24:41
reasonable and it' s about adding or caring for it. This means I
2:24:45
need to get out of it or the best. Or I aspire to get
2:24:48
the best out of my partner. And that will never happen if you feel
2:24:54
recriminated at the moment of conveying a need to my partner since you remember not
2:24:58
to leave the ascia clothes in the back of the room or on the bed,
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to make more consensual decisions about our family agenda or about the education of
2:25:07
children or visits. The best thing I can do is to communicate to him
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in a request tone and talking to him about me I need this and this
2:25:18
and this and this instead of telling him you shouldn' t or do you
2:25:24
have to give instructions? You, what you have to do is that'
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s give instructions? But this is not communicating needs. But many times we
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also omit the most important information and the most powerful, I think, to
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produce positive changes, which is that once I have passed on to my partner
2:25:41
what I need from her. For example, I need you to pick up
2:25:46
the dirty clothes in the text where we can convey how we feel when you
2:25:50
throw them on the bed, that information about how I feel when you do
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such a thing. It is vital to make her happy, but to give
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her that yes, it is important, significant. And what would be the
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wrong way to do it, Daniel, because the wrong way would always be
2:26:11
to throw dirty clothes in my bed I don' t know how to tell
2:26:15
you to put them in the basket? It means that we are already a
2:26:16
little on the edge, we have already loaded the piles of discomfort and then
2:26:22
a whole snout of data comes out there without any time. So, I
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mean, you always throw your clothes at me, suck the bed, and
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I don' t know how to tell you to put it in the basket?
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It' s not the best way. Why, then, because this
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will automatically awaken the defensive sense in our spouse, because he will feel threatened
2:26:43
or threatened, or questioned or questioned. However, the correct request mode,
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I think, in my view, would be I need you to put the
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dirty clothes in the bucket, because every time you leave it lying on the
2:26:56
bed, I feel that you despise the work I do and I think that
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my effort, having to pick it up, is worth nothing. I know
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it' s more words, I know you need to talk, but if
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that guarantees you that the person, instead of turning his back on us,
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is going to stand up. It' s not better to use it much
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better, I mean, we talk about me I need because I feel that
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way instead of you you should and because of you and I are absolutely different.
2:27:26
It is a completely opposite method to communicate to my partner how I feel
2:27:31
is to give you valuable information, which will help you and motivate you to
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remember my request, since if our relationship is a healthy relationship, neither one
2:27:41
of you is going to dedicate to consciously doing something that you know will be
2:27:45
wrong to each other. Hence it is so vital to communicate how I feel
2:27:50
when you do this other thing, because in many cases the spouses, our
2:27:54
spouses, what they do is to ignore those states of mind that dislodge within
2:28:00
us before certain behaviors of them. If they do not know them, because
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they will hardly be able to change them, they will hardly know where the
2:28:11
point of bravery is and with which they have to move. On the other
2:28:13
hand, communicating needs and emotions is a very, very effective July way to
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consolidate and deepen our communication as a couple. Okay, okay. Finally,
2:28:24
already, Daniel, there are some practical ideas that contribute or can contribute to
2:28:28
favoring or enriching our communication that is so necessary. I think that always and
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in some cases much more so. So, yes, Julio, there are
2:28:41
a lot of interesting and very positive ideas, but first of all, what
2:28:46
we know first is that effective communication is based mainly on knowing how to listen
2:28:50
to the other, an exchange that then is said so many times that we
2:28:56
have two ears and one mouth, because we have to listen more than talk,
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because it is exactly that principle. A communicative exchange is based above all
2:29:03
much more on listening to oneself than on speaking. The ability if we develop
2:29:09
the ability to know, listen and not just listen directly. You' ve
2:29:13
been listening between the lines what our partner is telling us. If you are
2:29:18
trying to communicate with us, we are ensuring that there is an effective and
2:29:24
healthy level of communication. And one of the things that for a short time,
2:29:28
for example, our listeners is that they investigate the rules for active listening,
2:29:33
only that they don' t also set you rules for active listening.
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There is a lot of information about that available and they are risks in very
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simple principles, but if we respect them, we realize that they are very
2:29:48
effective and work at least. Another idea is that, like living once a
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year, let' s do a compilation of questions like what I' ve
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helped you in or felt supported or supported by me, how you' ve
2:30:01
felt alone that' s the guide for the next year or semester. For
2:30:05
example, let' s use that as a relationship behavior guide. Another important
2:30:13
thing is never began a discussion without two clear things, First, willing to
2:30:18
finish it and, second, for the purpose of bequeathing to a beneficial conclusion
2:30:24
or to an agreement or to a covenant. If it' s not better,
2:30:26
don' t start it. Yeah, sure, I know that'
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s pretty strong, but I assure you it works. Julio is a reality.
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You never start a discussion if you' re not willing to finish it,
2:30:39
close it properly and for the purpose of bequeathing to a beneficial conclusion or
2:30:43
mutual agreement. The important, important And finally, write down why you warn.
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One of the things I advise you to do is to remember inside so
2:30:52
much, why we admire in this couple and write it and exchange it that
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we have and we see each other and we dare to be better at recognizing
2:31:05
the achievements of zeal to the other. Many times, when we talk about
2:31:11
improving the communication of partner reactions, emphasis is always placed on what is done
2:31:16
in different ways. We have to change, but there are many things we
2:31:20
do well. What it would be about is being able to communicate that to
2:31:24
our partner, you are doing fantastically well and I thank you for doing so
2:31:28
and, please, keep doing so. Don' t leave him. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah. When we say that, when we express mutual admiration,
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we are feeding very very, very effective and high quality communication. Dear
2:31:43
friend Daniel, Thank you so much again, what an important and interesting subject.
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And so thank you very much. And for a pleasure and a privilege
2:31:52
to get on the train always, thank you, friend, a hug until
2:31:58
always, a hug until then the train of life, an exciting journey along
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the routes of the heart, an unforgettable journey at the rhythm of the train.
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Evangelical churches are a place of peace and friendship. You can freely attend
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the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or your population. You will be,
2:32:54
very welcome,