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(FULL Episode) Navigating the Changing Landscape of Country Music · Music Explored Podcast

• 0:47
  From
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  classics
• 0:48
  to
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  curiosity
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  and
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  where
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  melodies
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  meet
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  me.
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  Welcome.
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  We're
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  super
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  serious.
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  We're
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  super
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  serious
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  on
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  the
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  Music
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  Explored
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  podcast.
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  Thank
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  you
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  for
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  joining
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  us
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  again.
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  Anthony,
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  my
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  brother,
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  partner
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  in
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  crime.
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  How
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  are
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  you
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  today?
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  I
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  am
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  doing
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  amazing,
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  man.
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  I
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  am
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  glad
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  to
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  be
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  here.
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  How
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  you
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  doing?
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  Can't
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  complain.
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  Grateful
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  to
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  be
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  alive,
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  as
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  always.
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  And
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  yes,
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  yes.
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  To
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  do
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  another
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  one
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  of
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  these
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  great
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  episodes
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  with
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  a
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  great
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  guest.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm
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  gonna
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  let
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  you
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  intro
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  our
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  phenomenal
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  guest.
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  He's
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  a
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  very
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  well
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  established
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  man.
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  Yeah.
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  I
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  mean,
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  there's
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  so
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  many
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  different
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  things
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  we
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  can
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  cover
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  here.
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  Music
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  historian,
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  professor,
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  you
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  know,
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  what?
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  Music,
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  everything.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  through
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  the
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  conversation,
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  we'll
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  just
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  let
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  it
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  kind
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  of
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  come
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  out
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  naturally.
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  But
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  we're
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  glad
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  to
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  have
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  you.
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  Mr.
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  Don
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  Cusick,
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  thank
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  you
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  for
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  joining
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  us.
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  Great
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  to
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  be
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  here.
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  Yeah.
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  It's
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  a
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  pleasure.
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  A
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  man
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  who
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  knows
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  a
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  thing
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  or
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  two
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  about
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  being
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  alive,
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  staying
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  alive.
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  You've
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  lived
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  through
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  some
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  things,
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  and
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  we're.
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  We're
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  looking
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  forward
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  to
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  picking
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  your
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  brain.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  I
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  imagine
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  right
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  off
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  the
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  top
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  that
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  there's
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  been
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  changes.
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  Well,
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  to
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  the
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  world,
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  to
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  music,
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  to
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  the
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  way
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  that
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  music's
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  created,
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  to
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  the
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  way
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  that
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  music's
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  consumed.
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  All
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  of
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  that
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  and
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  more.
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  And.
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  And
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  just
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  starting
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  off,
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  I
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  guess,
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  with
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  your
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  education
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  piece
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  or
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  the
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  education
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  branch
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  of
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  what
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  you
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  do,
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  start
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  off
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  with
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  this
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  because
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  I'm
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  so
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  curious.
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  How
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  has
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  music
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  education
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  changed
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  over
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  the
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  years?
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  Because
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  we
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  talk
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  about
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  consuming
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  and
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  everything
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  else,
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  but
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  from
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  an
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  education
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  standpoint,
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  have
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  you
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  noticed
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  major
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  changes
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  over
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  the
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  years?
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  Yeah,
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  of
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  course.
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  Music
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  education
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  is
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  basically,
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  and
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  has
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  been
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  for
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  years
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  on
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  classical
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  music,
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  marching
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  bands,
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  and
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  musical
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  literacy.
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  That's
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  the
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  essence
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  of
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  music
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  education.
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  But
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  what
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  we've
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  seen
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  is
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  that
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  the
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  idea
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  of
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  teaching
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  about
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  the
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  music
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  business
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  has
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  become
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  quite
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  popular.
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  And
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  I
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  teach
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  at
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  a
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  place
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  called
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  Belmont
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  University,
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  and
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  we
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  have.
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  It's
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  like
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  about
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  half
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  the
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  school
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  music
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  and
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  music
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  business.
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  And
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  so
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  that's.
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  That's
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  been
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  a
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  big
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  difference
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  to
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  that.
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  The
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  musicians
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  can't
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  just
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  know
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  the
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  music.
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  They
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  have
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  to
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  know
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  copyright.
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  They
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  have
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  to
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  know
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  how
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  to
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  market
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  music.
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  And
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  so
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  many
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  of
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  them
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  are
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  diy,
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  you
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  know,
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  they're.
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  They've
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  got
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  their
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  own
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  label,
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  their
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  own
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  songs
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  that
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  they're
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  putting
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  up
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  on.
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  On
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  streaming.
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  Yeah,
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  of
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  course.
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  Huge
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  difference
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  in.
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  It
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  used
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  to
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  be
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  you
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  could
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  touch
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  music,
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  you
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  could
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  feel
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  it.
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  Right.
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  Record
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  or
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  a
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  cassette
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  or
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  a
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  cd.
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  Yeah.
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  Now
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  you
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  don't.
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  And
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  that's.
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  It
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  makes
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  listening
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  different
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  because
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  you
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  listen,
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  you
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  know.
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  God,
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  when
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  I
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  was
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  in
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  college,
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  you
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  know,
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  somebody
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  got
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  an
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  album.
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  Yeah.
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  First
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  of
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  all,
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  it
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  was
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  rare
• 3:39
  you
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  know?
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  Yeah.
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  You
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  didn't
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  get
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  everything
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  that
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  came
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  out,
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  and
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  you
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  got.
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  And
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  you
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  sat
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  down
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  together
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  in
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  a
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  dorm
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  room
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  and
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  you
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  listened
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  to
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  one
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  side
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  and
• 3:47
  you
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  picked
• 3:48
  it
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  up
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  and
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  you
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  listened
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  to
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  the
• 3:49
  other
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  side.
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  Now
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  everybody's
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  listening
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  alone.
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  So
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  that's
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  very
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  true.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  that
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  idea
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  that,
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  that
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  family
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  feel
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  with
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  music
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  is,
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  Is
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  not
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  here
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  at
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  all.
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  Yes,
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  that's
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  true.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  even
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  the,
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  the
• 4:04
  idea
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  of
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  looking
• 4:06
  at
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  the
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  COVID
• 4:07
  art,
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  opening
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  up
• 4:08
  the
• 4:08
  album,
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  reading
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  through
• 4:10
  it,
• 4:10
  checking
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  out
• 4:11
  the
• 4:11
  credits,
• 4:11
  all
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  that
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  seems
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  to
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  be
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  lost.
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  And
• 4:13
  that,
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  that
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  for
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  me,
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  like
• 4:15
  cassettes,
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  opening
• 4:16
  up
• 4:16
  cassettes
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  or
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  CD
• 4:17
  covers,
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  even
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  vinyl,
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  because
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  my
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  father
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  had
• 4:20
  a
• 4:20
  lot
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  vinyl.
• 4:21
  Opening
• 4:21
  it
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  up
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  and
• 4:22
  seeing
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  artwork,
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  I
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  think,
• 4:23
  I
• 4:23
  think
• 4:23
  that's
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  been
• 4:24
  lost
• 4:24
  in,
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  in
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  the,
• 4:26
  in
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  the,
• 4:27
  the
• 4:27
  music
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  experience
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  today
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  and,
• 4:29
  and
• 4:30
  everything
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  is
• 4:30
  shortened.
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  They
• 4:31
  almost
• 4:32
  cut
• 4:32
  out
• 4:32
  bridges
• 4:32
  completely
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  now.
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  And
• 4:34
  it's
• 4:34
  just
• 4:34
  weird
• 4:34
  how
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  the
• 4:35
  evolution
• 4:35
  of
• 4:36
  music
• 4:36
  has
• 4:36
  gotten
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  to
• 4:37
  me
• 4:38
  worse.
• 4:38
  But
• 4:38
  maybe
• 4:38
  that's
• 4:39
  just
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  old
• 4:39
  curmudgeon
• 4:40
  in
• 4:40
  me
• 4:40
  complaining
• 4:41
  about
• 4:41
  these
• 4:41
  new
• 4:42
  kids.
• 4:42
  But
• 4:43
  if
• 4:43
  going
• 4:43
  back
• 4:44
  to
• 4:44
  musical
• 4:44
  education,
• 4:45
  I,
• 4:46
  I
• 4:46
  know
• 4:46
  so
• 4:46
  much
• 4:47
  has
• 4:47
  changed,
• 4:47
  but
• 4:47
  what
• 4:48
  do
• 4:48
  you
• 4:48
  think
• 4:49
  are
• 4:49
  the
• 4:50
  most
• 4:50
  essential
• 4:50
  skills
• 4:51
  music
• 4:51
  students
• 4:52
  should
• 4:52
  learn
• 4:52
  today?
• 4:52
  That.
• 4:53
  That
• 4:53
  wasn't
• 4:53
  emphasized
• 4:54
  20
• 4:54
  years
• 4:54
  ago.
• 4:55
  I
• 4:55
  know
• 4:55
  you
• 4:55
  said
• 4:56
  copyright
• 4:57
  and,
• 4:57
  and
• 4:57
  all
• 4:57
  of
• 4:58
  that.
• 4:58
  Was
• 4:58
  there
• 4:58
  anything
• 4:58
  else
• 4:59
  you
• 4:59
  think
• 4:59
  wasn't
• 5:00
  emphasized
• 5:01
  before
• 5:01
  that
• 5:01
  you
• 5:01
  really
• 5:02
  focus
• 5:02
  on
• 5:02
  in
• 5:02
  your
• 5:03
  later
• 5:03
  days
• 5:03
  of
• 5:03
  teaching?
• 5:04
  Well,
• 5:05
  to
• 5:05
  see
• 5:05
  it
• 5:06
  as
• 5:06
  a
• 5:06
  business.
• 5:07
  Right.
• 5:07
  Because
• 5:08
  that's,
• 5:08
  that's
• 5:09
  what
• 5:09
  it
• 5:09
  is.
• 5:10
  And,
• 5:10
  and
• 5:10
  trying
• 5:11
  to
• 5:11
  convince,
• 5:12
  you
• 5:12
  know,
• 5:12
  the
• 5:13
  students,
• 5:13
  they're.
• 5:13
  They're
• 5:13
  excited
• 5:14
  about
• 5:14
  their
• 5:14
  songs,
• 5:15
  their
• 5:15
  music.
• 5:16
  Right.
• 5:16
  And
• 5:17
  you've
• 5:17
  got
• 5:17
  to,
• 5:17
  you
• 5:17
  know,
• 5:18
  convince
• 5:18
  them.
• 5:18
  You
• 5:19
  know,
• 5:19
  you're
• 5:19
  going
• 5:20
  into
• 5:20
  playing,
• 5:21
  you're
• 5:22
  in
• 5:22
  the
• 5:22
  food
• 5:22
  and
• 5:22
  drink
• 5:23
  business.
• 5:24
  You
• 5:24
  know,
• 5:24
  that
• 5:24
  club
• 5:25
  owner
• 5:25
  is
• 5:26
  hiring
• 5:26
  you
• 5:27
  to
• 5:27
  bring
• 5:27
  in
• 5:28
  people
• 5:28
  to
• 5:29
  buy
• 5:29
  food
• 5:30
  and
• 5:30
  drink.
• 5:30
  Now
• 5:30
  it's
• 5:31
  not
• 5:31
  that,
• 5:31
  you
• 5:31
  know,
• 5:31
  you,
• 5:32
  you,
• 5:32
  you
• 5:32
  spend
• 5:32
  your
• 5:32
  life
• 5:33
  thinking
• 5:34
  like
• 5:34
  that
• 5:34
  because
• 5:34
  you're
• 5:35
  still
• 5:35
  an
• 5:36
  artist,
• 5:36
  but
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  fact
• 5:37
  of
• 5:38
  it
• 5:38
  is,
• 5:38
  is
• 5:38
  there's.
• 5:38
  There's
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  business
• 5:40
  behind
• 5:40
  it.
• 5:40
  And
• 5:40
  you've
• 5:41
  got
• 5:41
  to
• 5:42
  be
• 5:43
  not
• 5:43
  just
• 5:44
  an
• 5:44
  artist,
• 5:45
  but
• 5:45
  a
• 5:45
  business
• 5:45
  person.
• 5:46
  Right.
• 5:47
  Making
• 5:47
  decisions
• 5:48
  in
• 5:48
  that
• 5:48
  light.
• 5:50
  Sure,
• 5:50
  for
• 5:50
  sure.
• 5:51
  Leaving
• 5:51
  a
• 5:51
  lot
• 5:51
  of
• 5:51
  money
• 5:51
  on
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  table.
• 5:52
  Yeah.
• 5:53
  The
• 5:53
  main
• 5:53
  thing
• 5:53
  is
• 5:54
  persistence.
• 5:55
  Yes.
• 5:56
  You
• 5:57
  know
• 5:57
  that
• 5:57
  it's
• 5:58
  a
• 5:58
  simple
• 5:59
  fact.
• 5:59
  You're
• 5:59
  just
• 6:00
  showing
• 6:00
  up
• 6:00
  and,
• 6:01
  and
• 6:02
  sticking
• 6:03
  with
• 6:03
  it,
• 6:04
  which,
• 6:05
  you
• 6:05
  know,
• 6:05
  how
• 6:06
  do
• 6:06
  you
• 6:06
  teach
• 6:06
  that
• 6:06
  in
• 6:06
  school
• 6:10
  somewhere?
• 6:11
  Yeah,
• 6:12
  it
• 6:12
  sounds
• 6:13
  like,
• 6:13
  I
• 6:13
  guess
• 6:13
  when
• 6:14
  I'm.
• 6:14
  When
• 6:14
  you're
• 6:14
  describing,
• 6:15
  you
• 6:15
  know,
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  food
• 6:17
  being,
• 6:17
  you
• 6:17
  know,
• 6:17
  bringing
• 6:18
  as
• 6:18
  an
• 6:18
  artist
• 6:19
  or
• 6:19
  an
• 6:19
  act
• 6:19
  in
• 6:20
  like
• 6:20
  a
• 6:20
  restaurant
• 6:21
  or
• 6:21
  a
• 6:21
  club,
• 6:22
  you're
• 6:22
  really
• 6:23
  in
• 6:23
  that
• 6:23
  food
• 6:24
  and
• 6:24
  Drink,
• 6:25
  beverage
• 6:26
  business.
• 6:27
  But
• 6:28
  kind
• 6:28
  of
• 6:28
  sounds
• 6:28
  like
• 6:28
  that
• 6:29
  part
• 6:29
  has
• 6:29
  not
• 6:30
  changed.
• 6:30
  Is
• 6:30
  that,
• 6:31
  is
• 6:31
  that
• 6:31
  the
• 6:31
  way
• 6:31
  you
• 6:31
  see
• 6:32
  it
• 6:32
  too?
• 6:32
  Like
• 6:32
  over
• 6:32
  the
• 6:32
  years,
• 6:33
  it
• 6:33
  seems
• 6:33
  like
• 6:33
  that
• 6:34
  is
• 6:34
  one
• 6:34
  piece
• 6:35
  that's
• 6:35
  in,
• 6:36
  from
• 6:36
  what
• 6:36
  I
• 6:36
  remember,
• 6:37
  has
• 6:37
  always
• 6:37
  been
• 6:37
  there.
• 6:38
  Yeah,
• 6:38
  yeah.
• 6:39
  You've
• 6:40
  got
• 6:40
  to,
• 6:40
  as
• 6:40
  an
• 6:41
  artist,
• 6:41
  you've
• 6:41
  got
• 6:42
  to
• 6:42
  get
• 6:42
  in
• 6:42
  front
• 6:42
  of
• 6:43
  people,
• 6:43
  right?
• 6:44
  Yes.
• 6:44
  And
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  way
• 6:45
  that
• 6:46
  artists
• 6:46
  make
• 6:46
  their
• 6:46
  money
• 6:47
  and
• 6:47
  this
• 6:47
  has
• 6:47
  been
• 6:48
  forever.
• 6:48
  This
• 6:48
  just
• 6:49
  didn't
• 6:49
  start
• 6:49
  today,
• 6:49
  as
• 6:50
  you,
• 6:50
  as
• 6:50
  you
• 6:50
  mentioned,
• 6:51
  is
• 6:51
  that
• 6:52
  playing
• 6:52
  live
• 6:53
  is
• 6:53
  where
• 6:53
  you
• 6:53
  make
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  money.
• 6:55
  Very
• 6:56
  few
• 6:56
  people
• 6:56
  have
• 6:56
  ever
• 6:57
  made
• 6:57
  enough
• 6:58
  just
• 6:58
  on
• 6:58
  royalties.
• 7:00
  You
• 7:00
  know,
• 7:00
  of
• 7:00
  course
• 7:00
  they've
• 7:00
  been
• 7:01
  big
• 7:01
  superstars
• 7:01
  and
• 7:02
  you
• 7:02
  kind
• 7:02
  of
• 7:02
  look
• 7:02
  at
• 7:02
  them
• 7:03
  and
• 7:03
  say,
• 7:03
  gee,
• 7:04
  why
• 7:04
  isn't
• 7:04
  everybody
• 7:04
  doing
• 7:05
  this?
• 7:05
  But
• 7:06
  that,
• 7:08
  you
• 7:09
  know,
• 7:09
  playing,
• 7:09
  like,
• 7:09
  if
• 7:10
  you
• 7:10
  can't
• 7:10
  get
• 7:10
  over
• 7:11
  live,
• 7:11
  you
• 7:11
  can't
• 7:12
  succeed
• 7:13
  as
• 7:13
  an
• 7:13
  artist
• 7:14
  because
• 7:14
  you'll
• 7:14
  get
• 7:15
  bookings
• 7:16
  and,
• 7:16
  you
• 7:16
  know,
• 7:16
  you
• 7:17
  start
• 7:17
  at
• 7:17
  a
• 7:17
  club.
• 7:18
  Right.
• 7:18
  You
• 7:18
  start
• 7:19
  either
• 7:19
  clubs
• 7:19
  or
• 7:19
  churches,
• 7:20
  whether
• 7:21
  you
• 7:21
  know
• 7:21
  which
• 7:21
  way.
• 7:21
  Very
• 7:22
  true.
• 7:22
  Yeah.
• 7:22
  And
• 7:23
  then
• 7:23
  you,
• 7:24
  you
• 7:24
  know,
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  you
• 7:25
  have
• 7:25
  a
• 7:25
  small
• 7:25
  little
• 7:25
  circle
• 7:26
  in
• 7:26
  your
• 7:26
  hometown
• 7:27
  and
• 7:27
  then
• 7:27
  you
• 7:27
  expand
• 7:28
  it
• 7:28
  further
• 7:29
  and
• 7:29
  expand
• 7:29
  it
• 7:30
  further
• 7:30
  and
• 7:31
  then
• 7:31
  it
• 7:31
  becomes
• 7:31
  national.
• 7:32
  That's
• 7:33
  generally
• 7:33
  how
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  artists
• 7:34
  have
• 7:35
  always
• 7:35
  grown.
• 7:36
  Right.
• 7:36
  And
• 7:37
  that.
• 7:38
  And
• 7:38
  that
• 7:38
  has
• 7:38
  not
• 7:38
  changed,
• 7:40
  I
• 7:40
  guess.
• 7:40
  Yeah,
• 7:41
  I
• 7:41
  guess
• 7:41
  that
• 7:42
  as
• 7:42
  sort
• 7:42
  of
• 7:42
  like
• 7:42
  the
• 7:43
  pathway
• 7:43
  has
• 7:43
  not
• 7:44
  changed.
• 7:45
  But
• 7:45
  now
• 7:45
  we
• 7:46
  have.
• 7:46
  And
• 7:46
  it's
• 7:47
  been
• 7:47
  a
• 7:47
  while,
• 7:47
  but
• 7:47
  now
• 7:47
  we
• 7:47
  have
• 7:48
  streaming
• 7:48
  and
• 7:48
  all
• 7:48
  these
• 7:49
  other
• 7:49
  ways
• 7:49
  of
• 7:50
  being
• 7:50
  an
• 7:50
  online
• 7:51
  superstar.
• 7:51
  And
• 7:52
  I'm
• 7:52
  sure
• 7:52
  we've
• 7:53
  all
• 7:53
  experienced
• 7:54
  people
• 7:54
  who
• 7:54
  have
• 7:54
  like,
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  know,
• 7:55
  become
• 7:55
  TikTok
• 7:56
  famous
• 7:56
  as
• 7:56
  a
• 7:57
  artist
• 7:58
  in
• 7:58
  whatever,
• 7:59
  all
• 7:59
  genres
• 8:00
  probably
• 8:00
  at
• 8:00
  this
• 8:00
  point
• 8:01
  and
• 8:02
  reached
• 8:02
  that
• 8:02
  level
• 8:03
  of
• 8:03
  success,
• 8:03
  but
• 8:03
  have
• 8:04
  never
• 8:04
  performed
• 8:04
  live.
• 8:04
  I've
• 8:05
  met
• 8:05
  people
• 8:06
  who
• 8:06
  are
• 8:06
  like,
• 8:07
  you
• 8:07
  know,
• 8:07
  they've,
• 8:07
  they've,
• 8:08
  they've
• 8:08
  sat
• 8:09
  wherever
• 8:09
  in
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  studio,
• 8:10
  they've
• 8:11
  put
• 8:11
  out
• 8:11
  music,
• 8:11
  they've
• 8:12
  grown
• 8:12
  a
• 8:12
  massive
• 8:13
  audience
• 8:13
  and
• 8:14
  have
• 8:14
  yet
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  hit
• 8:14
  a
• 8:15
  stage.
• 8:15
  Yeah.
• 8:16
  So
• 8:17
  it
• 8:17
  sounds
• 8:17
  like
• 8:17
  you
• 8:17
  can
• 8:17
  skip
• 8:18
  some
• 8:18
  steps.
• 8:18
  Is
• 8:19
  that
• 8:19
  something
• 8:19
  that's
• 8:19
  discussed
• 8:20
  in,
• 8:20
  in
• 8:20
  like
• 8:21
  music
• 8:21
  education
• 8:22
  programs
• 8:22
  now
• 8:23
  at
• 8:23
  all?
• 8:24
  Social
• 8:24
  media
• 8:24
  has
• 8:25
  changed
• 8:25
  the
• 8:25
  landscape
• 8:26
  incredibly.
• 8:27
  They're
• 8:28
  no
• 8:28
  longer
• 8:28
  gatekeepers.
• 8:29
  Anybody
• 8:30
  can
• 8:30
  put
• 8:31
  up
• 8:31
  something
• 8:32
  on
• 8:32
  Spotify
• 8:33
  or
• 8:33
  YouTube
• 8:34
  or.
• 8:34
  Right.
• 8:34
  Or
• 8:35
  one
• 8:35
  of
• 8:35
  those
• 8:35
  streaming
• 8:35
  services.
• 8:36
  The
• 8:37
  problem
• 8:37
  is,
• 8:37
  how
• 8:37
  do
• 8:37
  you
• 8:38
  get
• 8:38
  it
• 8:38
  heard?
• 8:39
  And
• 8:39
  most
• 8:40
  of
• 8:40
  them
• 8:40
  are
• 8:40
  not
• 8:40
  here.
• 8:41
  It's
• 8:41
  like
• 8:41
  dropping,
• 8:42
  dropping
• 8:43
  it
• 8:43
  into
• 8:43
  this
• 8:44
  endless,
• 8:45
  endless.
• 8:46
  Well,
• 8:46
  there.
• 8:47
  Yes.
• 8:47
  And
• 8:48
  trying
• 8:48
  to
• 8:48
  get
• 8:48
  attention.
• 8:49
  As
• 8:50
  far
• 8:50
  as
• 8:50
  making
• 8:51
  money.
• 8:52
  There
• 8:52
  are
• 8:53
  artists
• 8:53
  making
• 8:54
  a
• 8:54
  hundred
• 8:54
  thousand
• 8:54
  a
• 8:55
  year
• 8:56
  on,
• 8:58
  on
• 8:58
  social
• 8:59
  media.
• 8:59
  Yeah,
• 8:59
  true.
• 9:00
  Yeah.
• 9:00
  But,
• 9:01
  you
• 9:01
  know,
• 9:01
  in
• 9:02
  order
• 9:02
  to
• 9:02
  succeed
• 9:03
  on
• 9:03
  social
• 9:03
  media,
• 9:04
  it's
• 9:04
  constant
• 9:05
  self
• 9:05
  promotion.
• 9:06
  You
• 9:06
  have
• 9:07
  got
• 9:07
  to
• 9:08
  constantly
• 9:08
  promote
• 9:09
  yourself
• 9:09
  every
• 9:10
  day.
• 9:11
  Yes.
• 9:11
  And
• 9:12
  and
• 9:12
  that
• 9:12
  wears
• 9:13
  you
• 9:13
  out.
• 9:13
  Absolutely.
• 9:14
  Constantly
• 9:15
  have
• 9:16
  new
• 9:16
  product.
• 9:17
  And
• 9:17
  I
• 9:18
  think
• 9:18
  for
• 9:18
  a
• 9:18
  long
• 9:18
  term
• 9:19
  career,
• 9:19
  I
• 9:20
  really
• 9:20
  believe
• 9:21
  you
• 9:21
  need
• 9:21
  to
• 9:21
  get
• 9:22
  in
• 9:22
  front
• 9:22
  of
• 9:22
  people.
• 9:23
  First
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  all,
• 9:24
  it
• 9:24
  tests
• 9:25
  you.
• 9:25
  You
• 9:25
  get
• 9:25
  to
• 9:25
  test
• 9:25
  the
• 9:26
  song.
• 9:26
  Right?
• 9:27
  You
• 9:27
  know,
• 9:27
  Exactly.
• 9:27
  People
• 9:28
  are
• 9:28
  always
• 9:28
  asking
• 9:28
  me,
• 9:28
  I
• 9:28
  want
• 9:29
  you
• 9:29
  to
• 9:29
  listen
• 9:30
  and
• 9:30
  see,
• 9:31
  tell
• 9:31
  me
• 9:31
  if
• 9:31
  this
• 9:31
  is
• 9:31
  good
• 9:32
  or
• 9:32
  not.
• 9:33
  And
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  said
• 9:33
  no,
• 9:33
  get
• 9:34
  in
• 9:34
  front
• 9:34
  of
• 9:34
  a,
• 9:34
  you
• 9:34
  know,
• 9:35
  group
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  people
• 9:35
  and
• 9:35
  they'll
• 9:36
  tell
• 9:36
  you.
• 9:36
  An
• 9:37
  audience
• 9:37
  will
• 9:37
  tell
• 9:38
  you
• 9:38
  whether
• 9:38
  it's
• 9:38
  good
• 9:38
  or
• 9:39
  not.
• 9:39
  That's
• 9:39
  true.
• 9:40
  Even
• 9:40
  without
• 9:41
  really
• 9:41
  thinking,
• 9:41
  you'll
• 9:41
  know.
• 9:41
  Right.
• 9:42
  Real
• 9:42
  quick.
• 9:42
  Yeah,
• 9:43
  yeah.
• 9:43
  You
• 9:44
  can't
• 9:44
  hide
• 9:44
  from
• 9:44
  that.
• 9:45
  Exactly.
• 9:46
  Yeah,
• 9:46
  that's,
• 9:48
  that's
• 9:49
  interesting.
• 9:49
  And
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  know
• 9:49
  you've
• 9:50
  also,
• 9:50
  you
• 9:50
  mentioned
• 9:51
  like
• 9:52
  the,
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  club
• 9:53
  versus
• 9:53
  the
• 9:53
  church
• 9:54
  and.
• 9:54
  But
• 9:55
  those
• 9:55
  are
• 9:55
  the
• 9:55
  two
• 9:56
  major
• 9:56
  sort
• 9:57
  of
• 9:57
  pathways
• 9:58
  that
• 9:58
  we
• 9:58
  discussed
• 9:59
  a
• 9:59
  lot
• 9:59
  on
• 9:59
  this
• 9:59
  podcast.
• 10:02
  I
• 10:02
  wonder
• 10:02
  from
• 10:03
  your
• 10:03
  experience,
• 10:03
  is
• 10:04
  one
• 10:04
  like,
• 10:05
  do
• 10:05
  you
• 10:05
  hear
• 10:06
  more
• 10:07
  people
• 10:07
  that
• 10:07
  have
• 10:07
  come,
• 10:08
  come
• 10:08
  from
• 10:09
  one
• 10:09
  side
• 10:09
  or
• 10:10
  the
• 10:10
  other
• 10:10
  to
• 10:10
  like
• 10:11
  a
• 10:11
  level
• 10:11
  of
• 10:11
  fame?
• 10:12
  Have
• 10:12
  you
• 10:12
  ever
• 10:13
  gotten
• 10:13
  into
• 10:13
  that?
• 10:14
  Basically,
• 10:15
  like
• 10:16
  church,
• 10:16
  you
• 10:16
  know,
• 10:17
  church
• 10:17
  is
• 10:17
  a
• 10:17
  pathway
• 10:18
  or
• 10:18
  the
• 10:18
  clubs
• 10:19
  is
• 10:19
  a
• 10:19
  pathway
• 10:19
  to
• 10:20
  success.
• 10:21
  There
• 10:21
  any
• 10:21
  differences?
• 10:22
  No.
• 10:22
  Well,
• 10:22
  I
• 10:22
  can't
• 10:23
  pull
• 10:23
  out,
• 10:24
  you
• 10:25
  know,
• 10:25
  some
• 10:25
  examples
• 10:26
  right
• 10:26
  away.
• 10:26
  But,
• 10:26
  but
• 10:27
  what
• 10:27
  you're
• 10:27
  talking
• 10:27
  about
• 10:27
  is
• 10:28
  really
• 10:28
  two
• 10:28
  different
• 10:28
  worlds.
• 10:29
  It
• 10:29
  is
• 10:30
  because,
• 10:31
  you
• 10:31
  know,
• 10:32
  the
• 10:33
  secular
• 10:34
  side,
• 10:34
  that's
• 10:34
  the
• 10:34
  music
• 10:35
  business.
• 10:35
  The
• 10:36
  other
• 10:36
  side
• 10:36
  is
• 10:37
  really
• 10:37
  the
• 10:37
  religion
• 10:37
  business.
• 10:38
  Yes.
• 10:39
  And
• 10:39
  you've
• 10:39
  got
• 10:40
  to,
• 10:40
  you
• 10:41
  know,
• 10:41
  you've
• 10:41
  got
• 10:41
  to
• 10:41
  meet
• 10:42
  the
• 10:42
  audience's
• 10:43
  expectations.
• 10:44
  Secular
• 10:45
  audience
• 10:45
  doesn't
• 10:45
  care
• 10:45
  what
• 10:46
  you
• 10:46
  believe.
• 10:47
  A
• 10:48
  religious
• 10:48
  audience
• 10:49
  does.
• 10:49
  They
• 10:50
  want
• 10:50
  you
• 10:50
  to
• 10:50
  believe
• 10:51
  what
• 10:51
  they
• 10:51
  believe.
• 10:52
  Right.
• 10:52
  And,
• 10:53
  and
• 10:53
  you
• 10:53
  know,
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  pressure
• 10:53
  is
• 10:54
  on
• 10:54
  there.
• 10:55
  Yeah,
• 10:55
  there's
• 10:55
  a
• 10:55
  lot
• 10:56
  of
• 10:56
  pressure
• 10:56
  there
• 10:56
  for
• 10:56
  sure.
• 10:57
  So.
• 10:57
  Yeah,
• 10:57
  so
• 10:58
  that's,
• 10:58
  that's,
• 10:58
  that's
• 10:59
  the
• 10:59
  big
• 10:59
  difference.
• 11:00
  You
• 11:00
  really,
• 11:00
  in
• 11:01
  two
• 11:01
  different
• 11:01
  worlds.
• 11:03
  Very
• 11:03
  few
• 11:04
  artists
• 11:04
  can
• 11:05
  be
• 11:05
  popular
• 11:06
  in
• 11:06
  both
• 11:06
  worlds.
• 11:07
  You
• 11:07
  know,
• 11:07
  the
• 11:08
  Winans,
• 11:08
  that
• 11:09
  is
• 11:09
  done.
• 11:09
  It's
• 11:10
  Amy
• 11:10
  Grant
• 11:10
  has
• 11:11
  done
• 11:11
  it.
• 11:11
  A
• 11:12
  few
• 11:12
  people
• 11:12
  like
• 11:12
  that,
• 11:13
  but
• 11:13
  it's,
• 11:13
  it's
• 11:13
  rare.
• 11:14
  And
• 11:15
  it's
• 11:15
  rare
• 11:15
  from
• 11:15
  the
• 11:15
  religious
• 11:16
  side
• 11:16
  because,
• 11:17
  you
• 11:17
  know,
• 11:17
  a
• 11:18
  Christian
• 11:18
  artist
• 11:19
  or
• 11:19
  a
• 11:19
  gospel
• 11:19
  artist
• 11:20
  doesn't
• 11:21
  really
• 11:21
  feel
• 11:21
  comfortable
• 11:22
  in,
• 11:23
  they
• 11:23
  call
• 11:23
  it
• 11:24
  the
• 11:24
  world.
• 11:25
  Yeah,
• 11:25
  it's
• 11:25
  true.
• 11:26
  Yeah,
• 11:26
  it's
• 11:26
  very
• 11:26
  true.
• 11:27
  It
• 11:27
  becomes
• 11:27
  like
• 11:27
  a
• 11:27
  means
• 11:28
  to
• 11:28
  an
• 11:28
  end.
• 11:28
  From
• 11:28
  what
• 11:28
  I've
• 11:29
  seen.
• 11:29
  You
• 11:30
  might
• 11:30
  have
• 11:30
  to
• 11:30
  kind
• 11:30
  of
• 11:30
  dip
• 11:30
  your
• 11:31
  toe
• 11:31
  to,
• 11:32
  you
• 11:32
  know,
• 11:32
  build
• 11:33
  that
• 11:33
  fan
• 11:33
  base,
• 11:34
  maybe
• 11:34
  get
• 11:34
  some
• 11:34
  extra.
• 11:35
  Sometimes
• 11:35
  it's
• 11:35
  money.
• 11:36
  You
• 11:36
  know,
• 11:36
  there's
• 11:36
  more
• 11:37
  paying
• 11:38
  opportunities
• 11:39
  in,
• 11:39
  in
• 11:39
  the
• 11:39
  world,
• 11:40
  as
• 11:40
  you
• 11:40
  stated,
• 11:41
  than
• 11:41
  there
• 11:41
  are
• 11:41
  in
• 11:41
  the
• 11:41
  church
• 11:42
  world.
• 11:43
  So,
• 11:43
  yeah,
• 11:43
  I
• 11:43
  have
• 11:44
  seen
• 11:44
  a
• 11:44
  little
• 11:44
  bit
• 11:44
  of
• 11:44
  crossover,
• 11:45
  but
• 11:46
  more
• 11:46
  lately
• 11:47
  I've
• 11:47
  seen
• 11:47
  a
• 11:47
  Lot
• 11:48
  more
• 11:48
  people
• 11:49
  coming
• 11:49
  from
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  church
• 11:50
  world
• 11:50
  into
• 11:50
  the
• 11:50
  secular.
• 11:51
  Especially
• 11:52
  on
• 11:52
  the
• 11:52
  musician
• 11:53
  side.
• 11:53
  Maybe
• 11:53
  not
• 11:54
  as
• 11:55
  heavily
• 11:55
  on
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  artist,
• 11:56
  but
• 11:56
  definitely
• 11:56
  on
• 11:57
  the
• 11:57
  mission.
• 11:57
  On
• 11:58
  mission.
• 11:58
  On
• 11:58
  the
• 11:58
  musician
• 11:59
  side.
• 11:59
  Yeah,
• 11:59
  I've
• 12:00
  seen
• 12:00
  a
• 12:00
  lot
• 12:00
  of
• 12:00
  that.
• 12:02
  A
• 12:02
  musician
• 12:02
  has
• 12:03
  leeway
• 12:03
  there.
• 12:04
  An
• 12:04
  artist
• 12:04
  does
• 12:05
  it.
• 12:05
  An
• 12:05
  artist
• 12:05
  has
• 12:05
  got
• 12:06
  to
• 12:06
  commit,
• 12:07
  one,
• 12:07
  that's
• 12:07
  true
• 12:08
  or
• 12:08
  the
• 12:08
  other.
• 12:09
  Whereas
• 12:09
  a
• 12:09
  musician
• 12:10
  can,
• 12:10
  you
• 12:10
  know,
• 12:11
  I
• 12:11
  need
• 12:11
  to
• 12:11
  play
• 12:11
  for
• 12:12
  this
• 12:12
  act
• 12:13
  today
• 12:13
  and
• 12:13
  that
• 12:13
  act
• 12:14
  tomorrow
• 12:14
  and
• 12:14
  it
• 12:14
  doesn't
• 12:14
  really
• 12:15
  matter.
• 12:15
  Yeah,
• 12:16
  that's
• 12:16
  true.
• 12:16
  That's
• 12:17
  a
• 12:17
  great
• 12:17
  point.
• 12:17
  I
• 12:17
  think
• 12:17
  I've
• 12:18
  thought
• 12:18
  about
• 12:18
  it,
• 12:18
  but
• 12:18
  I
• 12:18
  don't
• 12:19
  think
• 12:19
  I've
• 12:19
  actually
• 12:19
  put
• 12:20
  it
• 12:20
  together
• 12:20
  that
• 12:20
  way.
• 12:21
  It's
• 12:21
  like
• 12:21
  a
• 12:21
  commitment
• 12:22
  thing.
• 12:22
  You
• 12:22
  don't,
• 12:22
  you're
• 12:23
  not,
• 12:23
  it's
• 12:23
  not,
• 12:23
  they're
• 12:23
  not
• 12:24
  your
• 12:24
  words.
• 12:24
  You're
• 12:25
  playing
• 12:25
  the
• 12:25
  music
• 12:25
  behind
• 12:26
  the
• 12:26
  artist.
• 12:26
  So
• 12:26
  you
• 12:26
  could
• 12:27
  kind
• 12:27
  of
• 12:27
  tiptoe
• 12:28
  around
• 12:28
  behind
• 12:28
  the
• 12:29
  artist.
• 12:29
  Yeah,
• 12:29
  yeah,
• 12:31
  that's.
• 12:31
  They
• 12:31
  just
• 12:31
  want
• 12:31
  you
• 12:31
  to
• 12:32
  be
• 12:32
  in
• 12:32
  tune.
• 12:33
  Yeah,
• 12:33
  exactly.
• 12:36
  Yeah,
• 12:36
  yeah,
• 12:36
  yeah.
• 12:39
  What
• 12:39
  do
• 12:40
  you
• 12:40
  think
• 12:40
  is
• 12:40
  the
• 12:41
  most
• 12:41
  misunderstood
• 12:42
  part
• 12:42
  of
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  music
• 12:43
  business?
• 12:45
  Oh,
• 12:45
  the
• 12:45
  glamour
• 12:46
  side.
• 12:47
  Because,
• 12:48
  you
• 12:48
  know,
• 12:49
  you
• 12:49
  see
• 12:50
  the
• 12:50
  award
• 12:50
  show.
• 12:51
  Yeah.
• 12:51
  And
• 12:52
  you
• 12:52
  don't
• 12:52
  realize
• 12:53
  that,
• 12:53
  you
• 12:53
  know,
• 12:54
  the
• 12:54
  other
• 12:54
  28
• 12:55
  days
• 12:55
  a
• 12:55
  month
• 12:56
  they're
• 12:56
  spent
• 12:57
  at
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  desk
• 12:57
  doing
• 12:57
  a
• 12:58
  desk
• 12:58
  job,
• 12:59
  doing
• 12:59
  emails
• 13:00
  and
• 13:00
  you
• 13:00
  know,
• 13:01
  in
• 13:01
  terms
• 13:01
  of
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  business
• 13:02
  side
• 13:02
  of
• 13:02
  it,
• 13:03
  in
• 13:03
  terms
• 13:03
  of
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  artist,
• 13:04
  size
• 13:05
  of
• 13:05
  it
• 13:05
  side
• 13:05
  of
• 13:06
  it
• 13:06
  is
• 13:07
  how,
• 13:07
  you
• 13:07
  know,
• 13:08
  a
• 13:08
  lot
• 13:09
  of
• 13:09
  people
• 13:09
  wouldn't
• 13:09
  mind
• 13:09
  being
• 13:10
  a
• 13:10
  star
• 13:10
  if
• 13:10
  it
• 13:10
  wasn't
• 13:10
  so
• 13:11
  much
• 13:11
  trouble.
• 13:11
  And
• 13:12
  it's
• 13:12
  a
• 13:12
  lot
• 13:12
  of
• 13:13
  trouble.
• 13:14
  It
• 13:14
  is
• 13:15
  really
• 13:15
  a
• 13:15
  lot
• 13:16
  of
• 13:16
  work.
• 13:17
  Like
• 13:17
  I
• 13:17
  said,
• 13:18
  self
• 13:18
  promote,
• 13:19
  stay
• 13:19
  out
• 13:19
  front,
• 13:20
  develop
• 13:21
  new,
• 13:22
  as
• 13:22
  they
• 13:22
  call,
• 13:23
  new
• 13:23
  product,
• 13:23
  artists
• 13:24
  wants
• 13:24
  to
• 13:24
  say,
• 13:24
  you
• 13:24
  know,
• 13:24
  new
• 13:25
  songs.
• 13:25
  Yeah.
• 13:26
  I
• 13:26
  mean
• 13:27
  there's
• 13:27
  no
• 13:27
  let
• 13:27
  up.
• 13:28
  You,
• 13:28
  you
• 13:28
  really
• 13:29
  have
• 13:29
  to
• 13:30
  stick
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  it.
• 13:31
  And
• 13:31
  of
• 13:31
  course,
• 13:31
  you
• 13:31
  know,
• 13:31
  you
• 13:32
  wonder,
• 13:32
  you
• 13:32
  know,
• 13:32
  that's
• 13:33
  great
• 13:33
  for
• 13:33
  a
• 13:33
  20
• 13:33
  year
• 13:34
  old.
• 13:35
  What's
• 13:35
  it
• 13:35
  going
• 13:35
  to
• 13:35
  be
• 13:35
  like
• 13:36
  when
• 13:36
  they're
• 13:36
  40,
• 13:37
  45,
• 13:37
  50.
• 13:38
  Right.
• 13:39
  Can
• 13:40
  they
• 13:40
  still
• 13:40
  sustain
• 13:41
  that?
• 13:42
  Some
• 13:42
  can
• 13:42
  and
• 13:43
  some
• 13:43
  can't,
• 13:43
  you
• 13:44
  know.
• 13:45
  Yeah,
• 13:45
  that's,
• 13:46
  that's,
• 13:46
  that's,
• 13:46
  that's
• 13:47
  very
• 13:47
  true.
• 13:47
  Yeah.
• 13:48
  I
• 13:48
  guess
• 13:48
  in
• 13:49
  that
• 13:49
  sense.
• 13:49
  Yeah.
• 13:50
  Life
• 13:50
  changes
• 13:50
  as
• 13:51
  you,
• 13:51
  as
• 13:51
  you
• 13:51
  get
• 13:51
  older
• 13:52
  and
• 13:52
  responsibilities
• 13:53
  change
• 13:53
  and.
• 13:54
  Yeah,
• 13:54
  yeah.
• 13:54
  In
• 13:55
  some
• 13:55
  cases,
• 13:56
  I
• 13:56
  mean,
• 13:57
  maybe
• 13:57
  your
• 13:57
  heart
• 13:57
  would.
• 13:58
  Yeah.
• 13:58
  You
• 13:58
  got
• 13:58
  to
• 13:59
  write
• 13:59
  songs
• 13:59
  while
• 13:59
  the
• 13:59
  baby's
• 14:00
  crying.
• 14:01
  Yeah,
• 14:02
  yeah.
• 14:03
  Right.
• 14:04
  That's.
• 14:05
  Yeah.
• 14:05
  Two
• 14:05
  different
• 14:06
  worlds
• 14:06
  there
• 14:06
  as
• 14:06
  well.
• 14:09
  So
• 14:09
  I
• 14:09
  know
• 14:09
  that
• 14:10
  obviously
• 14:11
  we've
• 14:11
  mentioned
• 14:11
  that
• 14:11
  things
• 14:11
  have
• 14:11
  changed
• 14:12
  over
• 14:12
  time.
• 14:15
  Are
• 14:15
  there
• 14:15
  any
• 14:16
  parts,
• 14:16
  I'm
• 14:16
  trying
• 14:16
  to
• 14:17
  think
• 14:17
  about
• 14:17
  a
• 14:17
  phrases
• 14:17
  but
• 14:17
  are
• 14:18
  there
• 14:18
  any
• 14:18
  parts
• 14:18
  of,
• 14:19
  I
• 14:19
  guess
• 14:19
  the
• 14:20
  music
• 14:20
  experience,
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  artist
• 14:21
  experience
• 14:22
  that
• 14:23
  were
• 14:23
  very
• 14:23
  commonplace
• 14:24
  in
• 14:24
  the
• 14:25
  past
• 14:25
  that
• 14:25
  maybe
• 14:26
  have
• 14:26
  fallen
• 14:26
  away
• 14:27
  that
• 14:27
  you
• 14:28
  would
• 14:28
  like
• 14:28
  to
• 14:28
  see
• 14:28
  back
• 14:29
  or
• 14:29
  you
• 14:29
  miss
• 14:30
  or
• 14:30
  wish
• 14:30
  could
• 14:30
  be
• 14:30
  revived.
• 14:31
  Does
• 14:31
  anything
• 14:32
  come
• 14:32
  to
• 14:32
  mind?
• 14:33
  Well,
• 14:34
  you
• 14:34
  know,
• 14:34
  of
• 14:35
  course,
• 14:35
  I'm
• 14:35
  an
• 14:35
  old
• 14:35
  guy,
• 14:36
  so
• 14:36
  physical
• 14:36
  product,
• 14:37
  I
• 14:37
  still
• 14:37
  miss
• 14:37
  it.
• 14:38
  I
• 14:39
  still
• 14:39
  have
• 14:39
  CDs
• 14:40
  thing.
• 14:41
  I
• 14:41
  am
• 14:41
  fortunate
• 14:42
  that
• 14:42
  the
• 14:42
  car,
• 14:42
  and
• 14:43
  I
• 14:43
  can't
• 14:43
  trade
• 14:43
  my
• 14:44
  car
• 14:44
  in
• 14:44
  because
• 14:45
  my
• 14:45
  car
• 14:45
  has
• 14:46
  a
• 14:46
  CD
• 14:46
  player.
• 14:48
  They
• 14:48
  don't
• 14:49
  make
• 14:49
  them
• 14:49
  anymore.
• 14:50
  Even
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  computers
• 14:51
  don't
• 14:52
  have
• 14:52
  the
• 14:52
  CD
• 14:53
  players.
• 14:53
  But
• 14:54
  yeah,
• 14:56
  I
• 14:56
  think
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  physical
• 14:57
  aspect,
• 14:59
  because
• 14:59
  you
• 14:59
  feel
• 15:00
  different
• 15:01
  about
• 15:01
  something
• 15:01
  that
• 15:02
  you
• 15:02
  can
• 15:02
  touch.
• 15:03
  Yeah.
• 15:04
  You
• 15:04
  know,
• 15:05
  and
• 15:05
  like
• 15:05
  you're
• 15:05
  talking
• 15:05
  about
• 15:06
  reading
• 15:06
  or
• 15:07
  seeing
• 15:07
  the
• 15:07
  COVID
• 15:07
  picture,
• 15:08
  reading
• 15:08
  the
• 15:08
  line
• 15:09
  notes,
• 15:09
  liner
• 15:10
  notes,
• 15:10
  see
• 15:10
  who
• 15:10
  played
• 15:11
  on
• 15:11
  what
• 15:11
  song.
• 15:12
  All
• 15:12
  of
• 15:12
  those
• 15:13
  things
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  missed
• 15:14
  that.
• 15:15
  That
• 15:15
  was,
• 15:15
  and
• 15:15
  that
• 15:15
  was
• 15:16
  part
• 15:16
  of,
• 15:18
  part
• 15:18
  of
• 15:19
  life,
• 15:19
  you
• 15:19
  know,
• 15:20
  not
• 15:20
  that
• 15:20
  long
• 15:21
  ago
• 15:22
  really.
• 15:23
  Things
• 15:23
  have
• 15:23
  progressed
• 15:24
  and
• 15:24
  changed
• 15:24
  quickly.
• 15:26
  And
• 15:26
  I
• 15:27
  guess,
• 15:28
  you
• 15:28
  know,
• 15:28
  another
• 15:28
  thing
• 15:28
  I'm
• 15:29
  thinking
• 15:29
  too
• 15:29
  is
• 15:29
  just
• 15:30
  being
• 15:30
  able
• 15:30
  to
• 15:30
  touch
• 15:30
  like
• 15:31
  an
• 15:31
  album
• 15:31
  or
• 15:31
  have
• 15:32
  a
• 15:32
  record
• 15:33
  or
• 15:33
  have
• 15:33
  a
• 15:33
  record
• 15:34
  collection
• 15:34
  even.
• 15:35
  There's
• 15:35
  something
• 15:36
  about
• 15:36
  that
• 15:36
  that
• 15:37
  kind
• 15:37
  of
• 15:37
  helps
• 15:37
  with
• 15:38
  like
• 15:38
  preserving
• 15:39
  the
• 15:39
  music.
• 15:39
  Right
• 15:40
  now
• 15:40
  it
• 15:40
  just
• 15:40
  seems
• 15:40
  like
• 15:40
  so
• 15:41
  much
• 15:41
  comes
• 15:41
  out
• 15:41
  so
• 15:41
  quickly.
• 15:42
  You
• 15:42
  have
• 15:42
  a
• 15:42
  Spotify
• 15:42
  playlist
• 15:43
  that
• 15:43
  you're
• 15:43
  in
• 15:43
  love
• 15:43
  with
• 15:44
  for
• 15:44
  a
• 15:44
  week
• 15:44
  or
• 15:44
  two.
• 15:45
  Yeah.
• 15:45
  And
• 15:45
  then
• 15:46
  you
• 15:46
  love
• 15:46
  it,
• 15:46
  but
• 15:46
  forget
• 15:47
  because
• 15:47
  the
• 15:47
  next
• 15:47
  one
• 15:47
  came
• 15:47
  out
• 15:48
  or
• 15:48
  something
• 15:48
  else
• 15:48
  is
• 15:48
  popping,
• 15:49
  pulled
• 15:49
  you.
• 15:49
  It's
• 15:50
  not
• 15:50
  like
• 15:50
  you
• 15:50
  get
• 15:50
  to
• 15:50
  reach
• 15:51
  over
• 15:51
  and
• 15:51
  say,
• 15:51
  oh
• 15:52
  yeah,
• 15:52
  that's
• 15:52
  still
• 15:52
  my
• 15:53
  favorite.
• 15:53
  So
• 15:54
  that's
• 15:54
  changed.
• 15:56
  But
• 15:56
  what
• 15:56
  are
• 15:56
  your
• 15:56
  thoughts
• 15:57
  on
• 15:58
  preserving
• 15:59
  music
• 15:59
  history?
• 15:59
  Because
• 16:00
  in
• 16:00
  my
• 16:00
  mind
• 16:00
  that
• 16:01
  is
• 16:01
  one
• 16:01
  way
• 16:02
  that
• 16:02
  music
• 16:02
  history
• 16:02
  stayed
• 16:03
  alive
• 16:03
  was
• 16:03
  just
• 16:04
  through
• 16:04
  having
• 16:04
  like
• 16:05
  collections
• 16:05
  and
• 16:06
  things
• 16:06
  like
• 16:06
  that.
• 16:07
  What
• 16:07
  are
• 16:07
  your
• 16:07
  thoughts
• 16:08
  on
• 16:08
  that
• 16:08
  now?
• 16:09
  What
• 16:09
  does
• 16:09
  it
• 16:09
  look
• 16:09
  like
• 16:10
  for,
• 16:10
  you
• 16:10
  know,
• 16:11
  preserving
• 16:11
  music
• 16:12
  from
• 16:12
  this
• 16:12
  generation
• 16:13
  onto
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  next?
• 16:14
  Is
• 16:14
  it
• 16:14
  still
• 16:14
  possible?
• 16:15
  You
• 16:15
  know,
• 16:15
  preservation
• 16:16
  always,
• 16:17
  of
• 16:18
  course,
• 16:18
  you've
• 16:18
  got
• 16:18
  everything
• 16:19
  online
• 16:19
  in
• 16:20
  the
• 16:20
  cloud,
• 16:21
  but
• 16:22
  you
• 16:22
  still
• 16:23
  have
• 16:24
  the
• 16:24
  physical
• 16:24
  product,
• 16:25
  the
• 16:25
  books,
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  records,
• 16:28
  they're
• 16:29
  archived.
• 16:30
  Somebody's
• 16:31
  got
• 16:31
  to
• 16:31
  keep
• 16:31
  them
• 16:31
  somewhere.
• 16:32
  And
• 16:34
  you
• 16:34
  know,
• 16:34
  who,
• 16:35
  you
• 16:35
  know,
• 16:36
  well,
• 16:36
  what's
• 16:36
  the
• 16:37
  long
• 16:37
  term
• 16:37
  effect
• 16:38
  of
• 16:38
  digital?
• 16:39
  I
• 16:39
  mean,
• 16:39
  we
• 16:39
  know
• 16:40
  some
• 16:40
  of
• 16:40
  it
• 16:40
  so
• 16:40
  far.
• 16:41
  But
• 16:41
  you
• 16:41
  know,
• 16:42
  I've
• 16:43
  had,
• 16:43
  I've
• 16:43
  had
• 16:44
  stuff
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  put
• 16:44
  on
• 16:44
  my
• 16:44
  computer
• 16:45
  and
• 16:45
  it
• 16:45
  disappeared.
• 16:47
  Yeah.
• 16:48
  I
• 16:48
  go
• 16:48
  back,
• 16:49
  you
• 16:49
  know,
• 16:49
  a
• 16:49
  year
• 16:49
  later
• 16:50
  and
• 16:50
  it's
• 16:50
  disappeared.
• 16:52
  So
• 16:52
  in
• 16:52
  terms
• 16:52
  of,
• 16:53
  in
• 16:53
  terms
• 16:53
  of
• 16:54
  preserving
• 16:54
  it,
• 16:55
  I
• 16:56
  think,
• 16:57
  you
• 16:57
  know,
• 16:57
  when
• 16:57
  I'm,
• 16:58
  when
• 16:58
  I've
• 16:58
  got
• 16:58
  stuff
• 16:58
  I'm
• 16:59
  working
• 16:59
  on,
• 16:59
  I
• 17:00
  back
• 17:00
  it
• 17:00
  up,
• 17:01
  you
• 17:01
  know.
• 17:02
  Yeah,
• 17:02
  we
• 17:02
  got
• 17:03
  the
• 17:03
  cloud
• 17:03
  here.
• 17:04
  I,
• 17:04
  I
• 17:04
  do,
• 17:05
  I
• 17:05
  put
• 17:05
  it
• 17:05
  on
• 17:06
  a
• 17:06
  thumb
• 17:06
  drive
• 17:07
  and
• 17:07
  then
• 17:08
  I
• 17:08
  put
• 17:08
  it
• 17:08
  on
• 17:08
  the
• 17:08
  hard
• 17:09
  drive
• 17:09
  on
• 17:09
  the,
• 17:10
  on
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  computer.
• 17:12
  And
• 17:12
  I
• 17:12
  used
• 17:12
  to
• 17:13
  put
• 17:13
  things
• 17:13
  on
• 17:14
  a
• 17:14
  cd.
• 17:15
  Oh,
• 17:15
  yeah.
• 17:16
  You
• 17:16
  know,
• 17:16
  because,
• 17:17
  you
• 17:17
  know,
• 17:17
  if
• 17:17
  you.
• 17:18
  If
• 17:18
  you're
• 17:18
  spending
• 17:18
  a
• 17:18
  lot
• 17:19
  of
• 17:19
  money
• 17:19
  on
• 17:19
  a
• 17:19
  project,
• 17:20
  you
• 17:21
  don't
• 17:21
  want
• 17:21
  to
• 17:21
  screw
• 17:21
  up
• 17:22
  to
• 17:22
  wipe
• 17:23
  it
• 17:23
  out.
• 17:23
  Yeah.
• 17:24
  And
• 17:24
  it's
• 17:24
  going.
• 17:24
  So
• 17:26
  that's.
• 17:26
  I
• 17:27
  think
• 17:27
  that's
• 17:27
  important.
• 17:28
  And
• 17:28
  I
• 17:28
  think
• 17:30
  what.
• 17:31
  I
• 17:32
  think
• 17:32
  what
• 17:32
  we're
• 17:32
  seeing
• 17:33
  in
• 17:33
  school
• 17:33
  was
• 17:33
  by
• 17:34
  teaching
• 17:34
  them
• 17:34
  the
• 17:34
  music
• 17:35
  business
• 17:36
  as
• 17:36
  well
• 17:36
  as
• 17:37
  the
• 17:37
  music,
• 17:38
  that's
• 17:38
  going
• 17:38
  to
• 17:39
  help
• 17:39
  preserve
• 17:39
  things
• 17:40
  because
• 17:40
  it'll
• 17:40
  get
• 17:40
  people
• 17:41
  interested.
• 17:42
  Not
• 17:42
  everybody's
• 17:43
  a
• 17:43
  musician,
• 17:44
  but
• 17:44
  anybody
• 17:45
  can
• 17:46
  collect
• 17:47
  albums
• 17:47
  and
• 17:47
  write
• 17:47
  about
• 17:48
  them
• 17:48
  and.
• 17:49
  And
• 17:49
  do
• 17:49
  those
• 17:49
  sorts
• 17:50
  of
• 17:50
  things.
• 17:50
  You
• 17:50
  don't
• 17:51
  need
• 17:51
  that
• 17:51
  level
• 17:52
  of
• 17:52
  skill
• 17:52
  that
• 17:52
  a
• 17:52
  great
• 17:53
  musician
• 17:53
  has.
• 17:54
  So
• 17:55
  I.
• 17:55
  I
• 17:55
  think
• 17:55
  that's
• 17:57
  in
• 17:57
  just
• 17:57
  sheer
• 17:57
  numbers
• 17:58
  getting
• 17:58
  enough
• 17:58
  people
• 17:59
  interested
• 17:59
  that
• 18:00
  they
• 18:00
  wanna.
• 18:01
  They
• 18:01
  wanna
• 18:01
  look
• 18:02
  into
• 18:02
  it
• 18:02
  some
• 18:02
  more.
• 18:03
  Yeah,
• 18:03
  true.
• 18:04
  Much
• 18:05
  easier
• 18:05
  said
• 18:05
  than
• 18:05
  done,
• 18:06
  but
• 18:06
  very
• 18:06
  true.
• 18:08
  Yeah.
• 18:09
  And
• 18:09
  then
• 18:09
  I
• 18:09
  guess
• 18:09
  there's
• 18:10
  also
• 18:10
  books
• 18:10
  too,
• 18:10
  because
• 18:11
  I
• 18:11
  know
• 18:11
  we
• 18:11
  should
• 18:11
  talk
• 18:12
  about.
• 18:12
  You
• 18:12
  have
• 18:12
  a
• 18:12
  book
• 18:13
  coming
• 18:13
  out,
• 18:13
  so.
• 18:13
  Yes,
• 18:14
  I'd
• 18:14
  love
• 18:14
  for
• 18:14
  you
• 18:14
  to
• 18:14
  shout
• 18:15
  that
• 18:15
  out
• 18:15
  and
• 18:15
  tell
• 18:15
  us
• 18:15
  a
• 18:15
  little
• 18:16
  bit
• 18:16
  about
• 18:16
  that,
• 18:16
  but
• 18:16
  I
• 18:16
  was
• 18:17
  going
• 18:17
  to
• 18:17
  mention
• 18:17
  on
• 18:18
  that.
• 18:18
  There's
• 18:18
  also
• 18:18
  books,
• 18:20
  biographies,
• 18:21
  highlights
• 18:22
  on
• 18:22
  artists,
• 18:23
  musicians
• 18:23
  and
• 18:24
  things
• 18:24
  music
• 18:24
  related.
• 18:25
  I
• 18:25
  also
• 18:26
  love
• 18:26
  music
• 18:26
  documentaries.
• 18:27
  That's
• 18:27
  one
• 18:27
  of
• 18:28
  my
• 18:28
  favorite
• 18:28
  ways,
• 18:29
  I
• 18:29
  think,
• 18:30
  given
• 18:30
  that
• 18:31
  most
• 18:31
  of
• 18:31
  it's
• 18:31
  true
• 18:31
  and
• 18:32
  factual.
• 18:32
  You
• 18:32
  learn
• 18:33
  a
• 18:33
  lot
• 18:33
  about
• 18:33
  an
• 18:33
  artist's
• 18:34
  life
• 18:34
  and
• 18:34
  career
• 18:34
  that
• 18:34
  way.
• 18:35
  So
• 18:35
  I.
• 18:35
  That's
• 18:36
  another
• 18:36
  way
• 18:36
  that
• 18:36
  comes
• 18:36
  to
• 18:37
  mind
• 18:37
  there.
• 18:37
  But,
• 18:37
  yeah.
• 18:38
  Please
• 18:38
  take
• 18:38
  this
• 18:38
  opportunity
• 18:39
  to
• 18:39
  tell
• 18:39
  us
• 18:39
  about
• 18:40
  your
• 18:41
  upcoming
• 18:41
  project
• 18:42
  and
• 18:42
  your
• 18:42
  new
• 18:42
  book.
• 18:43
  Well,
• 18:43
  well,
• 18:44
  of
• 18:44
  course,
• 18:45
  Chet
• 18:46
  Atkins
• 18:46
  is
• 18:46
  known
• 18:47
  for
• 18:47
  being
• 18:48
  a
• 18:48
  country
• 18:48
  guy
• 18:49
  and
• 18:50
  he
• 18:50
  certainly
• 18:50
  was.
• 18:51
  He
• 18:51
  was
• 18:51
  in
• 18:51
  Nashville,
• 18:52
  but
• 18:52
  he
• 18:52
  was
• 18:53
  a
• 18:54
  great
• 18:54
  guitar
• 18:54
  player
• 18:55
  and
• 18:55
  he
• 18:55
  recorded
• 18:56
  a
• 18:56
  lot
• 18:56
  of
• 18:56
  jazz.
• 18:58
  One
• 18:58
  of
• 18:58
  the
• 18:58
  things
• 18:58
  that
• 18:59
  people
• 19:00
  are
• 19:01
  forgetting
• 19:01
  is
• 19:01
  that
• 19:02
  he
• 19:02
  was
• 19:02
  connected
• 19:03
  to
• 19:03
  early
• 19:03
  rock
• 19:03
  and
• 19:04
  roll.
• 19:04
  He
• 19:04
  produced
• 19:05
  Elvis
• 19:05
  Presley,
• 19:05
  he
• 19:06
  played
• 19:06
  on
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  sessions.
• 19:08
  The
• 19:08
  early
• 19:09
  Everly
• 19:10
  Brothers.
• 19:11
  He
• 19:11
  played
• 19:11
  on
• 19:11
  those
• 19:12
  sessions.
• 19:12
  He
• 19:13
  produced
• 19:14
  some
• 19:14
  of
• 19:14
  those
• 19:14
  sessions
• 19:15
  for
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  Everly
• 19:16
  Brothers.
• 19:16
  And
• 19:17
  then
• 19:17
  we
• 19:17
  get
• 19:17
  to
• 19:17
  the
• 19:17
  Beatles
• 19:18
  and
• 19:19
  here
• 19:20
  you
• 19:20
  have
• 19:20
  a
• 19:20
  guy
• 19:21
  who
• 19:22
  you.
• 19:22
  When.
• 19:22
  When
• 19:23
  the
• 19:23
  Beatles
• 19:23
  appeared
• 19:24
  on
• 19:24
  the
• 19:24
  Ed
• 19:24
  Sullivan
• 19:25
  show
• 19:26
  In
• 19:26
  February
• 19:27
  of
• 19:27
  64,
• 19:28
  George
• 19:29
  Harrison,
• 19:29
  the
• 19:29
  lead
• 19:30
  guitar
• 19:30
  player,
• 19:30
  was
• 19:31
  playing
• 19:31
  a
• 19:31
  Chet
• 19:31
  Atkins
• 19:32
  gresh
• 19:33
  guitar.
• 19:34
  Okay.
• 19:34
  He
• 19:35
  had
• 19:35
  connections
• 19:37
  with.
• 19:38
  And
• 19:38
  of
• 19:38
  course,
• 19:38
  later
• 19:38
  he
• 19:39
  records
• 19:39
  with
• 19:39
  Paul
• 19:40
  McCartney.
• 19:40
  Here
• 19:41
  is
• 19:41
  a
• 19:41
  guy
• 19:42
  who.
• 19:43
  Who
• 19:43
  never
• 19:44
  stopped
• 19:44
  practicing.
• 19:44
  And
• 19:45
  that's
• 19:45
  a
• 19:45
  lesson
• 19:45
  for
• 19:46
  musicians.
• 19:47
  Because
• 19:48
  Mo,
• 19:49
  you
• 19:49
  know,
• 19:49
  a
• 19:49
  lot
• 19:49
  of
• 19:49
  musicians,
• 19:50
  I
• 19:50
  know
• 19:50
  the
• 19:51
  ones
• 19:51
  surrounding
• 19:52
  in
• 19:52
  Nashville,
• 19:53
  they
• 19:54
  get
• 19:54
  to
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  point
• 19:54
  where
• 19:54
  they're
• 19:54
  very
• 19:55
  accomplished,
• 19:55
  very
• 19:56
  good,
• 19:57
  they
• 19:57
  have
• 19:57
  a
• 19:57
  gig,
• 19:57
  they
• 19:58
  can
• 19:58
  pick
• 19:58
  up
• 19:58
  the
• 19:58
  guitar
• 19:58
  or
• 19:59
  go
• 19:59
  to
• 19:59
  the
• 19:59
  piano
• 20:00
  and
• 20:00
  play
• 20:01
  it,
• 20:01
  but
• 20:01
  they
• 20:01
  quit.
• 20:02
  Practicing,
• 20:03
  you
• 20:03
  know,
• 20:03
  doing
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  scales,
• 20:05
  doing
• 20:05
  the.
• 20:05
  The
• 20:05
  dull
• 20:06
  stuff.
• 20:07
  And
• 20:07
  Chet
• 20:08
  never
• 20:08
  stopped
• 20:09
  practicing.
• 20:10
  But
• 20:10
  he
• 20:10
  was
• 20:10
  a
• 20:11
  real.
• 20:11
  He
• 20:11
  was
• 20:11
  a
• 20:12
  real
• 20:12
  giant
• 20:12
  here
• 20:12
  in
• 20:13
  Nashville.
• 20:13
  And
• 20:13
  he
• 20:13
  was
• 20:14
  executive
• 20:15
  head
• 20:15
  of
• 20:15
  rca.
• 20:16
  He
• 20:16
  was
• 20:16
  a
• 20:17
  producer,
• 20:18
  did,
• 20:19
  produced,
• 20:20
  you
• 20:20
  know,
• 20:20
  Waylon
• 20:21
  Jennings
• 20:21
  and
• 20:21
  Eddie
• 20:22
  Arnold
• 20:22
  and
• 20:22
  Willie
• 20:23
  Nelson
• 20:23
  and
• 20:25
  a
• 20:26
  massive
• 20:26
  amount
• 20:26
  of
• 20:27
  hits.
• 20:27
  So
• 20:28
  he's
• 20:28
  just
• 20:28
  one
• 20:28
  of
• 20:28
  those
• 20:29
  larger
• 20:30
  than
• 20:30
  life
• 20:30
  figures
• 20:31
  that
• 20:31
  come
• 20:31
  through
• 20:32
  every
• 20:32
  now
• 20:32
  and
• 20:32
  then.
• 20:34
  And
• 20:34
  of
• 20:34
  course,
• 20:34
  you
• 20:34
  know,
• 20:35
  he's
• 20:35
  been
• 20:35
  dead
• 20:36
  for
• 20:36
  like
• 20:36
  20,
• 20:37
  25
• 20:37
  years
• 20:38
  or
• 20:38
  so,
• 20:38
  and
• 20:39
  people
• 20:39
  are
• 20:40
  forgetting
• 20:40
  him,
• 20:41
  but.
• 20:41
  So
• 20:42
  hopefully
• 20:42
  this
• 20:42
  book
• 20:43
  will.
• 20:43
  Will
• 20:43
  bring
• 20:44
  him
• 20:44
  back
• 20:44
  into
• 20:44
  focus.
• 20:45
  Yeah.
• 20:45
  Front
• 20:45
  of
• 20:46
  mind.
• 20:46
  And
• 20:47
  was
• 20:47
  that
• 20:47
  the
• 20:47
  motivation
• 20:48
  for
• 20:48
  you
• 20:48
  writing
• 20:48
  the
• 20:49
  book
• 20:49
  was
• 20:49
  just
• 20:49
  to
• 20:50
  kind
• 20:50
  of
• 20:50
  allow
• 20:51
  people
• 20:51
  to
• 20:51
  really
• 20:52
  understand
• 20:52
  the
• 20:52
  legend
• 20:53
  that
• 20:53
  he
• 20:53
  was?
• 20:55
  That's
• 20:55
  part
• 20:56
  of
• 20:56
  it.
• 20:56
  You
• 20:56
  know,
• 20:57
  people
• 20:57
  always
• 20:57
  ask,
• 20:58
  where
• 20:58
  do
• 20:58
  you
• 20:58
  get
• 20:59
  your
• 20:59
  ideas?
• 20:59
  How
• 21:00
  do
• 21:00
  you
• 21:00
  decide
• 21:01
  what
• 21:02
  to
• 21:02
  write
• 21:02
  about?
• 21:03
  And
• 21:04
  the
• 21:04
  honest
• 21:04
  answer,
• 21:05
  the
• 21:05
  least.
• 21:05
  The
• 21:06
  least
• 21:06
  satisfying
• 21:07
  answer,
• 21:07
  but
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  most
• 21:08
  honest,
• 21:08
  is
• 21:09
  the
• 21:09
  subject
• 21:10
  chooses
• 21:10
  me
• 21:11
  or
• 21:11
  the
• 21:11
  subject
• 21:12
  chooses.
• 21:12
  You
• 21:13
  Might
• 21:14
  start
• 21:14
  with
• 21:14
  you've
• 21:15
  heard.
• 21:15
  You
• 21:15
  just
• 21:16
  happen
• 21:16
  to
• 21:16
  hear
• 21:16
  something
• 21:17
  on
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  radio
• 21:17
  or
• 21:18
  hear
• 21:18
  something
• 21:19
  out
• 21:20
  over.
• 21:20
  You
• 21:20
  know,
• 21:21
  somehow,
• 21:22
  some
• 21:22
  way
• 21:22
  or
• 21:23
  somebody
• 21:23
  brings
• 21:23
  up
• 21:23
  the
• 21:24
  subject
• 21:24
  and.
• 21:24
  Yeah.
• 21:25
  And
• 21:26
  then
• 21:26
  you
• 21:26
  read
• 21:26
  a
• 21:26
  little
• 21:27
  more
• 21:27
  about
• 21:27
  it
• 21:27
  and
• 21:28
  next
• 21:28
  thing
• 21:28
  you
• 21:28
  know,
• 21:28
  you're
• 21:29
  in
• 21:29
  it
• 21:29
  deeper
• 21:30
  and
• 21:30
  it's
• 21:30
  like,
• 21:31
  hey,
• 21:31
  I
• 21:31
  can
• 21:32
  do
• 21:32
  this.
• 21:33
  At
• 21:33
  some
• 21:33
  point,
• 21:33
  you
• 21:34
  make
• 21:34
  a
• 21:34
  commitment.
• 21:35
  Yeah,
• 21:35
  I
• 21:35
  wanna.
• 21:35
  This
• 21:36
  is
• 21:36
  what
• 21:36
  I
• 21:37
  want
• 21:37
  to
• 21:37
  do.
• 21:37
  But
• 21:37
  really,
• 21:39
  the
• 21:39
  subjects
• 21:39
  choose
• 21:40
  you.
• 21:41
  I.
• 21:42
  I
• 21:42
  know
• 21:42
  that
• 21:42
  sounds
• 21:42
  kind
• 21:42
  of
• 21:43
  flaky,
• 21:43
  a
• 21:43
  little
• 21:43
  far
• 21:44
  out.
• 21:44
  No,
• 21:44
  no,
• 21:44
  that's
• 21:45
  profound.
• 21:45
  It
• 21:45
  sounds
• 21:46
  profound
• 21:46
  to
• 21:46
  me.
• 21:46
  Yeah,
• 21:48
  yeah,
• 21:49
  I
• 21:49
  get
• 21:49
  it.
• 21:49
  I
• 21:49
  get
• 21:49
  it.
• 21:51
  You
• 21:51
  know
• 21:51
  what?
• 21:52
  I
• 21:52
  know,
• 21:52
  Derick,
• 21:53
  you
• 21:53
  have
• 21:54
  some
• 21:54
  Nashville
• 21:54
  things
• 21:54
  you
• 21:55
  probably
• 21:55
  want
• 21:55
  to
• 21:56
  get
• 21:56
  into.
• 21:57
  If
• 21:57
  I
• 21:57
  know
• 21:57
  you
• 21:57
  as
• 21:57
  well
• 21:58
  as
• 21:58
  I
• 21:58
  believe
• 21:58
  to.
• 21:59
  But
• 21:59
  I
• 21:59
  want
• 21:59
  to
• 21:59
  ask
• 21:59
  you
• 22:00
  this
• 22:00
  first.
• 22:02
  Where
• 22:02
  does
• 22:02
  your
• 22:02
  love
• 22:03
  for
• 22:03
  music
• 22:03
  stem
• 22:03
  from?
• 22:04
  We
• 22:04
  skipped
• 22:05
  that
• 22:05
  in
• 22:05
  the
• 22:05
  beginning,
• 22:05
  but
• 22:05
  I'm
• 22:06
  so
• 22:06
  curious
• 22:06
  hearing
• 22:07
  you
• 22:07
  talk
• 22:07
  about
• 22:07
  it.
• 22:07
  Well,
• 22:08
  it
• 22:08
  started
• 22:08
  with
• 22:09
  this
• 22:09
  little
• 22:09
  plastic
• 22:10
  radio
• 22:10
  sitting
• 22:11
  on
• 22:11
  top
• 22:11
  of
• 22:11
  the
• 22:11
  refrigerator
• 22:12
  that
• 22:12
  plays.
• 22:14
  And
• 22:14
  my
• 22:14
  parents
• 22:15
  never
• 22:15
  changed
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  dialogue.
• 22:17
  It
• 22:17
  was
• 22:17
  on
• 22:17
  one.
• 22:18
  One
• 22:18
  dial.
• 22:19
  But,
• 22:19
  you
• 22:19
  know,
• 22:19
  that's
• 22:19
  when
• 22:20
  I'm
• 22:20
  hearing
• 22:20
  music
• 22:20
  every
• 22:21
  day.
• 22:21
  Yeah.
• 22:22
  And
• 22:23
  then,
• 22:24
  you
• 22:24
  know,
• 22:24
  when
• 22:24
  you're.
• 22:26
  When
• 22:26
  you're
• 22:26
  about
• 22:27
  13
• 22:27
  or
• 22:28
  14,
• 22:28
  you
• 22:29
  latch
• 22:29
  on
• 22:29
  to
• 22:30
  music
• 22:30
  like
• 22:30
  you've
• 22:31
  never
• 22:31
  done
• 22:31
  before.
• 22:32
  You've
• 22:32
  heard
• 22:32
  it,
• 22:32
  you've
• 22:33
  liked
• 22:33
  it,
• 22:34
  but
• 22:34
  it
• 22:34
  becomes
• 22:34
  a
• 22:35
  soundtrack
• 22:35
  of
• 22:35
  your
• 22:36
  life.
• 22:37
  It's
• 22:37
  your
• 22:37
  friends.
• 22:38
  That's
• 22:38
  what
• 22:38
  your
• 22:38
  friends
• 22:39
  socialize
• 22:40
  with.
• 22:41
  And.
• 22:42
  And
• 22:42
  for
• 22:42
  me,
• 22:43
  that.
• 22:44
  That
• 22:44
  period
• 22:45
  was
• 22:46
  my.
• 22:47
  My
• 22:48
  influences
• 22:48
  were
• 22:49
  Hank
• 22:49
  Williams,
• 22:50
  Roger
• 22:51
  Miller
• 22:51
  and
• 22:51
  the
• 22:51
  Beatles,
• 22:52
  and
• 22:54
  they.
• 22:54
  That
• 22:55
  really
• 22:55
  hit
• 22:55
  me.
• 22:56
  So.
• 22:56
  And
• 22:56
  it's
• 22:57
  still.
• 22:57
  And
• 22:57
  you
• 22:57
  know,
• 22:58
  as
• 22:58
  long
• 22:58
  as
• 22:59
  you
• 22:59
  live,
• 22:59
  you
• 22:59
  will.
• 23:00
  No
• 23:01
  music
• 23:01
  will
• 23:01
  ever
• 23:01
  be
• 23:02
  as
• 23:02
  good
• 23:02
  as
• 23:02
  what
• 23:02
  you
• 23:03
  heard
• 23:03
  in
• 23:03
  those
• 23:04
  teen
• 23:04
  years
• 23:04
  into
• 23:05
  your
• 23:05
  very
• 23:06
  early
• 23:06
  twenties.
• 23:06
  That's
• 23:07
  what
• 23:07
  you're
• 23:07
  locked
• 23:08
  into.
• 23:08
  You
• 23:08
  compare
• 23:08
  music
• 23:09
  to
• 23:10
  that
• 23:10
  all
• 23:10
  the
• 23:10
  time.
• 23:11
  So,
• 23:11
  you
• 23:11
  know,
• 23:11
  that's.
• 23:12
  That's
• 23:12
  kind
• 23:13
  of
• 23:13
  where
• 23:13
  my
• 23:13
  roots
• 23:13
  are,
• 23:14
  and
• 23:14
  I.
• 23:45
  And
• 23:46
  I
• 23:46
  go
• 23:46
  back
• 23:46
  to
• 23:47
  them,
• 23:48
  so.
• 23:48
  Amazing.
• 23:49
  Yeah.
• 23:49
  It
• 23:50
  was
• 23:50
  interesting
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  way
• 23:51
  that
• 23:51
  your
• 23:51
  face
• 23:51
  kind
• 23:51
  of
• 23:51
  lit
• 23:52
  up
• 23:52
  when
• 23:52
  you
• 23:52
  talked
• 23:52
  about
• 23:52
  that
• 23:53
  plastic
• 23:53
  radio,
• 23:54
  too.
• 23:55
  A
• 23:56
  lot
• 23:56
  of
• 23:56
  memories
• 23:56
  connected
• 23:57
  to
• 23:57
  it.
• 23:57
  Yeah,
• 23:58
  but.
• 23:58
  And
• 23:59
  you
• 23:59
  had
• 23:59
  one
• 23:59
  station,
• 24:00
  so
• 24:00
  for
• 24:00
  some
• 24:00
  of
• 24:00
  us,
• 24:01
  I
• 24:01
  mean,
• 24:01
  I.
• 24:01
  I
• 24:01
  grew
• 24:02
  up,
• 24:02
  there
• 24:02
  was
• 24:02
  still
• 24:02
  a
• 24:02
  radio.
• 24:03
  We're
• 24:03
  still
• 24:03
  holding
• 24:04
  on
• 24:04
  to
• 24:04
  that.
• 24:04
  It
• 24:04
  was
• 24:05
  still
• 24:05
  a
• 24:05
  thing,
• 24:05
  actually.
• 24:06
  But,
• 24:06
  yeah,
• 24:06
  for
• 24:07
  some
• 24:07
  people
• 24:07
  listening
• 24:07
  now,
• 24:07
  I'm
• 24:08
  sure
• 24:08
  they
• 24:08
  wouldn't
• 24:08
  even
• 24:08
  be
• 24:09
  able
• 24:09
  to
• 24:09
  wrap
• 24:09
  their
• 24:09
  head
• 24:09
  around
• 24:09
  the
• 24:10
  concept
• 24:10
  of
• 24:10
  having
• 24:10
  to
• 24:11
  wait
• 24:11
  to
• 24:12
  hear
• 24:12
  the
• 24:12
  song
• 24:12
  that
• 24:12
  you
• 24:12
  want
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  hear
• 24:13
  so
• 24:13
  badly.
• 24:14
  Right.
• 24:14
  Like,
• 24:14
  it
• 24:14
  wasn't
• 24:15
  a
• 24:15
  matter
• 24:15
  of
• 24:15
  just
• 24:15
  pressing
• 24:16
  play.
• 24:16
  And
• 24:16
  now
• 24:16
  you
• 24:17
  get
• 24:17
  to
• 24:17
  hear
• 24:17
  that
• 24:17
  song.
• 24:18
  Like,
• 24:18
  you
• 24:18
  had
• 24:18
  to
• 24:18
  wait
• 24:18
  till
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  programming
• 24:20
  or
• 24:20
  the
• 24:20
  programmer,
• 24:21
  however
• 24:21
  it
• 24:21
  worked,
• 24:21
  the
• 24:22
  dj,
• 24:22
  I
• 24:22
  guess,
• 24:23
  played
• 24:23
  that
• 24:23
  song.
• 24:24
  It's
• 24:24
  a
• 24:24
  very,
• 24:25
  very
• 24:25
  different
• 24:26
  way
• 24:26
  of
• 24:26
  consuming
• 24:26
  music
• 24:27
  back
• 24:27
  then.
• 24:28
  Yeah.
• 24:28
  Well,
• 24:28
  my
• 24:28
  students,
• 24:29
  they
• 24:30
  tell
• 24:30
  me
• 24:31
  right
• 24:31
  up
• 24:31
  front,
• 24:31
  I
• 24:31
  don't
• 24:32
  listen
• 24:32
  to
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  radio.
• 24:33
  That's
• 24:34
  one
• 24:34
  of
• 24:34
  the
• 24:34
  first
• 24:34
  things
• 24:34
  they
• 24:35
  say.
• 24:35
  I
• 24:35
  don't
• 24:35
  listen
• 24:35
  to
• 24:35
  the
• 24:35
  radio.
• 24:36
  Yeah.
• 24:37
  Which
• 24:37
  is
• 24:37
  a
• 24:37
  little
• 24:37
  bit
• 24:37
  of
• 24:37
  a
• 24:38
  lie
• 24:38
  because
• 24:38
  you
• 24:38
  turn,
• 24:38
  get
• 24:39
  on
• 24:39
  the
• 24:39
  car
• 24:39
  and
• 24:40
  get
• 24:40
  started,
• 24:41
  and
• 24:41
  radio
• 24:41
  comes.
• 24:43
  Things
• 24:43
  like
• 24:43
  that.
• 24:44
  But,
• 24:45
  yeah,
• 24:45
  they
• 24:45
  don't.
• 24:46
  They
• 24:46
  don't
• 24:46
  listen
• 24:47
  to
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  radio.
• 24:47
  And,
• 24:48
  you
• 24:48
  know,
• 24:48
  you
• 24:49
  talk
• 24:49
  about
• 24:50
  how
• 24:50
  things
• 24:51
  change
• 24:52
  and
• 24:53
  how
• 24:53
  have
• 24:53
  they
• 24:53
  changed?
• 24:54
  You
• 24:54
  know,
• 24:54
  you
• 24:54
  got
• 24:55
  an
• 24:55
  album.
• 24:55
  It
• 24:55
  was
• 24:56
  a
• 24:56
  big
• 24:56
  deal
• 24:56
  to
• 24:56
  get
• 24:56
  an
• 24:57
  album.
• 24:57
  It
• 24:57
  was
• 24:57
  like
• 24:57
  $4.
• 24:58
  That
• 24:58
  was
• 24:59
  a
• 24:59
  lot
• 24:59
  of
• 24:59
  money,
• 25:00
  or
• 25:01
  $5.
• 25:02
  And
• 25:02
  you
• 25:03
  get
• 25:03
  one.
• 25:03
  And
• 25:03
  you
• 25:04
  played
• 25:04
  those
• 25:04
  10
• 25:05
  or
• 25:05
  12
• 25:05
  songs
• 25:06
  over
• 25:06
  and
• 25:06
  over
• 25:07
  and
• 25:07
  over
• 25:07
  again.
• 25:08
  And
• 25:08
  now
• 25:09
  how
• 25:09
  many
• 25:10
  songs
• 25:10
  can
• 25:10
  you
• 25:11
  have
• 25:11
  access
• 25:11
  to?
• 25:12
  And
• 25:13
  so
• 25:13
  it's
• 25:13
  lost
• 25:13
  its
• 25:13
  exclusivity.
• 25:14
  It's
• 25:15
  lost
• 25:15
  its
• 25:15
  mystery.
• 25:16
  It's
• 25:16
  lost
• 25:16
  its.
• 25:16
  Yes.
• 25:17
  You
• 25:17
  know,
• 25:18
  it's
• 25:18
  been
• 25:18
  taken
• 25:18
  for
• 25:19
  granted.
• 25:19
  You
• 25:19
  know,
• 25:19
  you
• 25:19
  talk
• 25:20
  about
• 25:20
  having
• 25:21
  a
• 25:21
  cassette
• 25:21
  and,
• 25:21
  you
• 25:21
  know,
• 25:22
  opening
• 25:23
  it
• 25:23
  up
• 25:23
  on
• 25:23
  the
• 25:23
  way
• 25:24
  home.
• 25:24
  Well,
• 25:25
  here.
• 25:25
  You
• 25:25
  know,
• 25:25
  this.
• 25:26
  How
• 25:26
  about
• 25:27
  so
• 25:27
  and
• 25:27
  so?
• 25:27
  How
• 25:27
  about
• 25:27
  Such
• 25:28
  and
• 25:28
  Such
• 25:28
  a
• 25:28
  song?
• 25:29
  Wait
• 25:29
  a
• 25:29
  minute.
• 25:29
  And
• 25:29
  they
• 25:29
  pull
• 25:29
  out
• 25:30
  their.
• 25:31
  Their
• 25:31
  iPhone
• 25:31
  and
• 25:32
  dial
• 25:33
  up
• 25:33
  the
• 25:34
  Spotify
• 25:35
  or
• 25:35
  whatever,
• 25:35
  the
• 25:36
  Apple
• 25:36
  music,
• 25:36
  whatever
• 25:37
  they're
• 25:37
  on,
• 25:37
  and
• 25:37
  they
• 25:37
  hear
• 25:38
  it
• 25:38
  right
• 25:38
  away,
• 25:39
  even
• 25:39
  in.
• 25:39
  But
• 25:39
  it
• 25:39
  doesn't
• 25:40
  last
• 25:40
  as
• 25:40
  long.
• 25:41
  Yeah,
• 25:41
  no,
• 25:42
  not
• 25:42
  at
• 25:42
  all.
• 25:42
  That's
• 25:42
  true.
• 25:43
  Very.
• 25:44
  Yeah.
• 25:44
  Temporary.
• 25:45
  It's
• 25:46
  like
• 25:46
  microwave
• 25:47
  music
• 25:47
  now.
• 25:48
  Quick
• 25:49
  and
• 25:49
  easy.
• 25:49
  And
• 25:50
  then
• 25:50
  you
• 25:50
  forget
• 25:50
  about
• 25:50
  it.
• 25:51
  Once
• 25:51
  they're
• 25:51
  done.
• 25:53
  But.
• 25:53
  But
• 25:53
  keeping
• 25:54
  in
• 25:54
  the
• 25:54
  vein
• 25:54
  of
• 25:55
  like,
• 25:55
  change
• 25:56
  and
• 25:56
  evolution,
• 25:57
  I
• 25:58
  mean,
• 25:58
  you're.
• 25:58
  You're
• 25:59
  knee
• 26:00
  deep
• 26:00
  in
• 26:00
  the
• 26:00
  Nashville
• 26:01
  scene.
• 26:01
  And
• 26:01
  I've
• 26:02
  seen
• 26:02
  over
• 26:03
  the
• 26:03
  last
• 26:03
  20
• 26:04
  years,
• 26:04
  not
• 26:05
  only
• 26:05
  has
• 26:05
  country
• 26:06
  really
• 26:06
  made
• 26:06
  a
• 26:07
  giant
• 26:07
  resurgence
• 26:08
  in
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  last
• 26:08
  decade,
• 26:08
  but
• 26:09
  that
• 26:09
  region
• 26:10
  has
• 26:10
  become
• 26:11
  actually
• 26:12
  like,
• 26:12
  world
• 26:13
  renowned
• 26:13
  because
• 26:13
  we're
• 26:13
  in
• 26:14
  Canada
• 26:14
  and
• 26:14
  everyone
• 26:14
  knows
• 26:15
  Nashville
• 26:16
  is
• 26:16
  one
• 26:16
  of
• 26:16
  the
• 26:16
  best
• 26:17
  music
• 26:17
  scenes
• 26:17
  on
• 26:18
  earth,
• 26:18
  definitely
• 26:19
  in
• 26:19
  America.
• 26:20
  But
• 26:20
  it's.
• 26:21
  What
• 26:21
  have
• 26:21
  you
• 26:22
  noticed
• 26:22
  the
• 26:22
  most
• 26:23
  in
• 26:23
  being
• 26:24
  in
• 26:24
  the
• 26:24
  country
• 26:24
  music
• 26:25
  scene
• 26:25
  and
• 26:25
  watching
• 26:26
  it
• 26:26
  kind
• 26:26
  of
• 26:27
  have
• 26:27
  this
• 26:27
  new
• 26:28
  resurgent
• 26:28
  where
• 26:28
  I
• 26:29
  think
• 26:29
  it's
• 26:29
  probably
• 26:29
  one
• 26:29
  of
• 26:30
  the
• 26:30
  most
• 26:30
  popular
• 26:31
  genres
• 26:32
  in.
• 26:32
  In
• 26:33
  America
• 26:33
  right
• 26:33
  now
• 26:34
  with
• 26:34
  that
• 26:35
  and
• 26:35
  hip
• 26:35
  hop
• 26:35
  and
• 26:35
  stuff.
• 26:36
  But
• 26:36
  countries
• 26:37
  really
• 26:37
  at
• 26:37
  the.
• 26:37
  At
• 26:38
  the
• 26:38
  forefront
• 26:39
  of,
• 26:39
  you
• 26:39
  know,
• 26:40
  all
• 26:40
  the
• 26:40
  big
• 26:40
  stars
• 26:40
  seem
• 26:41
  to
• 26:41
  be
• 26:41
  country
• 26:41
  music
• 26:42
  stars
• 26:42
  now.
• 26:42
  Yeah,
• 26:43
  well,
• 26:43
  the.
• 26:45
  The
• 26:45
  thing
• 26:45
  of
• 26:45
  it
• 26:45
  is,
• 26:46
  is
• 26:46
  Nashville
• 26:47
  has
• 26:47
  always
• 26:47
  been
• 26:47
  a
• 26:47
  very
• 26:48
  diverse.
• 26:49
  It's
• 26:49
  known
• 26:49
  for
• 26:49
  country
• 26:50
  music.
• 26:50
  You
• 26:50
  say
• 26:50
  Nashville
• 26:51
  and
• 26:51
  think
• 26:51
  country
• 26:51
  music,
• 26:53
  you
• 26:53
  go
• 26:53
  back
• 26:53
  a
• 26:54
  few
• 26:54
  years
• 26:54
  and
• 26:55
  it
• 26:55
  was
• 26:55
  the
• 26:56
  number
• 26:56
  one
• 26:57
  place
• 26:57
  for
• 26:57
  R
• 26:58
  B
• 26:58
  radio.
• 26:59
  Yeah,
• 26:59
  this
• 26:59
  was
• 27:00
  late
• 27:00
  40s,
• 27:00
  early
• 27:01
  50s.
• 27:02
  And
• 27:04
  you
• 27:04
  know,
• 27:05
  you've
• 27:05
  got
• 27:05
  a
• 27:05
  whole
• 27:05
  wide
• 27:06
  variety
• 27:06
  of
• 27:06
  music
• 27:07
  coming
• 27:07
  out
• 27:07
  of
• 27:07
  Nashville.
• 27:08
  Christian
• 27:09
  music
• 27:09
  is
• 27:09
  kind
• 27:10
  of
• 27:10
  headquartered
• 27:10
  here.
• 27:12
  Melody
• 27:13
  or
• 27:13
  production
• 27:14
  wise.
• 27:14
  That's
• 27:14
  different
• 27:15
  than.
• 27:15
  Than
• 27:16
  country.
• 27:16
  Yeah,
• 27:17
  the
• 27:17
  big
• 27:17
  difference.
• 27:18
  The
• 27:18
  big
• 27:19
  difference
• 27:19
  in.
• 27:20
  In
• 27:20
  music
• 27:20
  today
• 27:21
  is
• 27:21
  the
• 27:21
  technology.
• 27:22
  Yeah.
• 27:23
  You
• 27:23
  can
• 27:23
  make
• 27:23
  a
• 27:24
  perfect
• 27:24
  record.
• 27:25
  Right.
• 27:25
  And.
• 27:26
  And
• 27:26
  everybody
• 27:27
  is
• 27:27
  using
• 27:28
  computers.
• 27:29
  Right.
• 27:29
  Well,
• 27:29
  you
• 27:29
  know,
• 27:30
  maybe
• 27:30
  the
• 27:30
  classical
• 27:30
  guys
• 27:31
  aren't,
• 27:31
  but,
• 27:31
  you
• 27:32
  know,
• 27:32
  you
• 27:32
  talk
• 27:33
  about
• 27:33
  rap
• 27:33
  and
• 27:33
  pop
• 27:34
  and
• 27:34
  R
• 27:34
  B
• 27:35
  and
• 27:35
  country.
• 27:35
  They're
• 27:36
  all
• 27:36
  using
• 27:37
  basically
• 27:37
  the
• 27:38
  same
• 27:38
  computers,
• 27:39
  the
• 27:39
  same
• 27:39
  software.
• 27:41
  Well,
• 27:41
  it's
• 27:42
  basically
• 27:42
  two
• 27:42
  different
• 27:43
  kinds
• 27:43
  of
• 27:43
  software
• 27:43
  and
• 27:44
  use
• 27:44
  one
• 27:44
  or
• 27:44
  the
• 27:44
  other.
• 27:45
  And.
• 27:47
  And
• 27:47
  so
• 27:48
  that.
• 27:48
  That's
• 27:48
  given
• 27:48
  a
• 27:49
  sameness
• 27:49
  to
• 27:49
  sound.
• 27:51
  But
• 27:51
  the
• 27:51
  other
• 27:52
  thing
• 27:52
  was
• 27:53
  somewhere
• 27:53
  along
• 27:53
  the
• 27:53
  line,
• 27:54
  particularly
• 27:54
  that
• 27:54
  may
• 27:55
  have
• 27:55
  happened
• 27:55
  with
• 27:55
  Garth
• 27:56
  Brooks,
• 27:56
  country
• 27:56
  became
• 27:57
  cool.
• 27:59
  And
• 28:00
  if
• 28:00
  you
• 28:00
  go
• 28:01
  back,
• 28:02
  there
• 28:02
  was
• 28:02
  a
• 28:02
  real
• 28:03
  division
• 28:03
  because
• 28:04
  between
• 28:05
  pop
• 28:05
  music
• 28:05
  and
• 28:06
  country
• 28:06
  music.
• 28:06
  And
• 28:07
  the
• 28:07
  pop
• 28:07
  folks
• 28:08
  did
• 28:08
  not
• 28:08
  like
• 28:08
  country
• 28:09
  because
• 28:09
  it
• 28:10
  represented
• 28:10
  all
• 28:10
  the
• 28:11
  negative
• 28:11
  things,
• 28:11
  you
• 28:12
  know,
• 28:12
  that
• 28:12
  was.
• 28:13
  It
• 28:13
  was
• 28:13
  racist,
• 28:14
  it
• 28:14
  was
• 28:15
  backwards,
• 28:15
  it
• 28:15
  was
• 28:16
  dumb,
• 28:16
  it
• 28:16
  was,
• 28:17
  you
• 28:17
  know,
• 28:17
  people
• 28:17
  you
• 28:18
  didn't
• 28:18
  want
• 28:18
  to
• 28:18
  associate
• 28:18
  with.
• 28:19
  You
• 28:19
  know,
• 28:19
  it
• 28:19
  wasn't
• 28:20
  cool.
• 28:21
  And
• 28:21
  the
• 28:21
  pop
• 28:21
  side
• 28:22
  was.
• 28:22
  Was.
• 28:22
  And
• 28:23
  so
• 28:23
  what
• 28:23
  it.
• 28:23
  What
• 28:24
  has
• 28:24
  happened
• 28:24
  was
• 28:25
  we've
• 28:25
  seen
• 28:25
  is
• 28:26
  country
• 28:26
  has
• 28:26
  been
• 28:26
  cool
• 28:27
  and
• 28:27
  a
• 28:28
  lot
• 28:28
  of
• 28:28
  that
• 28:28
  has
• 28:28
  to
• 28:28
  do
• 28:28
  with
• 28:29
  the
• 28:29
  production.
• 28:30
  It
• 28:30
  sounds
• 28:31
  a
• 28:31
  lot
• 28:31
  like
• 28:31
  pop
• 28:32
  music.
• 28:32
  It
• 28:32
  doesn't
• 28:32
  sound
• 28:32
  like
• 28:33
  Hank
• 28:33
  Williams
• 28:33
  anymore.
• 28:34
  True,
• 28:35
  true.
• 28:36
  Yeah.
• 28:38
  I'm
• 28:38
  also
• 28:39
  wondering.
• 28:39
  Oh,
• 28:39
  sorry.
• 28:40
  I'm
• 28:40
  sorry.
• 28:41
  Yeah.
• 28:41
  Let
• 28:41
  me
• 28:41
  just.
• 28:41
  That's
• 28:41
  the
• 28:42
  worst.
• 28:42
  Yes.
• 28:42
  Okay.
• 28:43
  I'm
• 28:43
  sure
• 28:43
  we
• 28:43
  both
• 28:43
  have
• 28:43
  Tons
• 28:44
  of
• 28:44
  questions
• 28:44
  now
• 28:45
  every
• 28:45
  time
• 28:45
  you
• 28:45
  say
• 28:46
  something
• 28:46
  and
• 28:46
  trying
• 28:46
  to
• 28:47
  bring
• 28:47
  something
• 28:48
  else.
• 28:48
  Yeah,
• 28:49
  yeah,
• 28:49
  exactly.
• 28:49
  Because
• 28:50
  you
• 28:50
  mentioned
• 28:50
  Nashville,
• 28:51
  and
• 28:51
  I
• 28:51
  don't
• 28:51
  want
• 28:52
  to
• 28:52
  get
• 28:52
  away
• 28:52
  from
• 28:52
  that
• 28:52
  because
• 28:52
  we
• 28:53
  have
• 28:53
  a
• 28:53
  lot
• 28:53
  more
• 28:53
  questions,
• 28:54
  just
• 28:54
  curiosity.
• 28:56
  But
• 28:56
  being
• 28:57
  from
• 28:57
  Canada,
• 28:58
  Toronto,
• 28:59
  we
• 28:59
  see
• 29:00
  the
• 29:00
  States
• 29:00
  probably
• 29:01
  differently.
• 29:03
  So
• 29:03
  when
• 29:03
  I
• 29:03
  think
• 29:04
  of,
• 29:04
  like,
• 29:04
  there's
• 29:04
  different
• 29:04
  hubs
• 29:05
  across
• 29:05
  the
• 29:06
  United
• 29:06
  States,
• 29:06
  there's
• 29:07
  a
• 29:07
  lot
• 29:07
  of
• 29:07
  them
• 29:07
  musically
• 29:08
  that.
• 29:08
  That
• 29:08
  come
• 29:08
  to
• 29:09
  mind.
• 29:09
  But
• 29:09
  how
• 29:09
  does
• 29:10
  Nashville
• 29:11
  sort
• 29:11
  of
• 29:11
  different
• 29:12
  than,
• 29:12
  like,
• 29:13
  LA,
• 29:14
  NY?
• 29:15
  Like,
• 29:15
  what's.
• 29:15
  What's
• 29:15
  the
• 29:16
  Nashville
• 29:16
  charm,
• 29:17
  do
• 29:17
  you
• 29:17
  think?
• 29:20
  Well,
• 29:21
  you're
• 29:21
  from
• 29:21
  Canada.
• 29:22
  You're
• 29:22
  seeing
• 29:22
  us
• 29:22
  a
• 29:22
  whole
• 29:23
  lot
• 29:23
  different
• 29:24
  in
• 29:25
  this
• 29:25
  past
• 29:27
  month
• 29:27
  or
• 29:27
  two.
• 29:28
  No
• 29:28
  comment.
• 29:28
  Right?
• 29:29
  Yeah.
• 29:29
  Yep.
• 29:30
  There's
• 29:30
  three
• 29:31
  places
• 29:32
  in
• 29:32
  the
• 29:32
  United
• 29:33
  States
• 29:33
  that
• 29:33
  are
• 29:34
  totally
• 29:34
  different
• 29:34
  than
• 29:35
  other
• 29:35
  parts
• 29:35
  of
• 29:35
  the
• 29:35
  United
• 29:36
  States.
• 29:36
  Okay.
• 29:37
  New
• 29:37
  York
• 29:37
  City.
• 29:38
  Yes.
• 29:39
  Texas
• 29:40
  and
• 29:40
  Southern
• 29:41
  California.
• 29:42
  And
• 29:42
  they're
• 29:42
  just
• 29:43
  different
• 29:43
  than
• 29:43
  the
• 29:43
  rest
• 29:44
  of
• 29:44
  the
• 29:44
  country.
• 29:45
  Nashville
• 29:46
  still
• 29:46
  has
• 29:47
  that
• 29:47
  Southern
• 29:47
  charm.
• 29:48
  You
• 29:48
  know,
• 29:48
  the
• 29:48
  good
• 29:49
  old
• 29:49
  boys
• 29:49
  were
• 29:50
  all
• 29:50
  friendly,
• 29:51
  a
• 29:52
  little
• 29:52
  laid
• 29:52
  back.
• 29:53
  New
• 29:53
  York
• 29:54
  is
• 29:54
  high,
• 29:54
  intense
• 29:55
  intensity,
• 29:56
  high
• 29:56
  pressure.
• 29:57
  Louisiana
• 29:58
  is,
• 29:58
  you
• 29:58
  know,
• 29:59
  the
• 29:59
  ultimate
• 29:59
  in
• 29:59
  cool.
• 30:00
  And
• 30:01
  Texas
• 30:01
  is
• 30:01
  just
• 30:02
  a
• 30:02
  world
• 30:02
  of
• 30:02
  its
• 30:02
  own.
• 30:03
  If
• 30:04
  you
• 30:04
  go
• 30:04
  there,
• 30:04
  wear
• 30:04
  cowboy
• 30:05
  boots.
• 30:07
  For
• 30:07
  sure.
• 30:09
  That's
• 30:10
  funny.
• 30:11
  Just
• 30:11
  kind
• 30:11
  of.
• 30:12
  And
• 30:12
  Nashville
• 30:13
  is.
• 30:13
  Sorry.
• 30:14
  Going
• 30:14
  back,
• 30:14
  but
• 30:15
  I
• 30:15
  feel
• 30:16
  like
• 30:16
  there's
• 30:16
  this
• 30:17
  wonderful
• 30:18
  intersection
• 30:18
  between
• 30:19
  gospel
• 30:19
  music
• 30:20
  and
• 30:20
  country
• 30:20
  music
• 30:21
  that
• 30:21
  I
• 30:21
  know
• 30:22
  over
• 30:22
  the
• 30:22
  years.
• 30:23
  Even
• 30:23
  as
• 30:23
  a
• 30:24
  child,
• 30:24
  my
• 30:24
  father
• 30:25
  would
• 30:25
  play
• 30:25
  like
• 30:25
  Conway
• 30:26
  Twitty,
• 30:27
  Dolly
• 30:28
  Parton,
• 30:28
  Kenny
• 30:28
  Rogers,
• 30:30
  and
• 30:30
  you
• 30:30
  could
• 30:31
  hear
• 30:31
  gospel
• 30:32
  influence.
• 30:32
  And
• 30:32
  I
• 30:32
  was
• 30:33
  8,
• 30:33
  9,
• 30:33
  10
• 30:34
  years
• 30:34
  old,
• 30:34
  and
• 30:34
  I
• 30:34
  could
• 30:35
  feel
• 30:35
  that
• 30:35
  right
• 30:36
  away.
• 30:36
  Can
• 30:36
  you
• 30:36
  talk
• 30:37
  a
• 30:37
  little
• 30:37
  bit
• 30:37
  about
• 30:38
  how
• 30:38
  country
• 30:39
  music
• 30:39
  and
• 30:39
  gospel
• 30:40
  music
• 30:40
  intersect
• 30:41
  culturally
• 30:41
  and
• 30:41
  musically?
• 30:42
  And
• 30:42
  can
• 30:43
  you
• 30:43
  share
• 30:43
  any
• 30:43
  insight
• 30:44
  as
• 30:44
  to
• 30:44
  why
• 30:44
  you
• 30:44
  think
• 30:44
  that
• 30:45
  is
• 30:45
  or
• 30:45
  what
• 30:45
  you
• 30:45
  know
• 30:46
  to
• 30:46
  be
• 30:46
  the
• 30:46
  case
• 30:47
  as
• 30:47
  to
• 30:47
  why
• 30:47
  it
• 30:48
  intersects?
• 30:49
  Well,
• 30:49
  they
• 30:49
  grew
• 30:50
  up.
• 30:50
  A
• 30:50
  lot
• 30:50
  of
• 30:50
  them
• 30:50
  grew
• 30:51
  up
• 30:51
  in
• 30:51
  a
• 30:51
  church,
• 30:52
  and
• 30:52
  that.
• 30:52
  That
• 30:53
  makes
• 30:53
  a
• 30:53
  difference.
• 30:53
  And
• 30:54
  again,
• 30:54
  that
• 30:54
  Southern
• 30:54
  culture,
• 30:55
  and
• 30:55
  part
• 30:56
  of
• 30:56
  that
• 30:56
  is
• 30:56
  a
• 30:56
  religious
• 30:57
  culture.
• 30:58
  You
• 30:59
  know,
• 30:59
  the
• 30:59
  thing
• 31:00
  with
• 31:00
  a
• 31:00
  country.
• 31:00
  With
• 31:00
  country
• 31:01
  music,
• 31:02
  you
• 31:02
  can
• 31:02
  do.
• 31:03
  Go
• 31:04
  see
• 31:04
  a
• 31:04
  country
• 31:04
  act,
• 31:05
  and
• 31:05
  they'll
• 31:05
  have,
• 31:06
  you
• 31:06
  know,
• 31:06
  secular
• 31:06
  songs,
• 31:07
  and
• 31:07
  then
• 31:07
  they'll
• 31:08
  drop
• 31:08
  in.
• 31:08
  A
• 31:08
  gospel
• 31:09
  song.
• 31:09
  Exactly.
• 31:10
  Yeah.
• 31:10
  Right.
• 31:10
  Black
• 31:11
  gospel
• 31:11
  is
• 31:11
  not
• 31:11
  like
• 31:12
  that.
• 31:12
  I
• 31:12
  mean,
• 31:12
  you're
• 31:13
  either
• 31:13
  black
• 31:14
  gospel,
• 31:14
  you're
• 31:14
  either
• 31:15
  the
• 31:15
  devil
• 31:15
  or
• 31:15
  God.
• 31:18
  You
• 31:18
  don't
• 31:18
  mix
• 31:18
  the
• 31:19
  two.
• 31:19
  You
• 31:19
  mix
• 31:19
  the
• 31:19
  two,
• 31:20
  you
• 31:20
  get
• 31:20
  called
• 31:20
  on
• 31:20
  the
• 31:20
  carpet.
• 31:21
  Whereas
• 31:22
  with.
• 31:22
  With
• 31:23
  country,
• 31:23
  it
• 31:23
  can
• 31:23
  blend
• 31:24
  a
• 31:24
  lot
• 31:24
  easier.
• 31:25
  Am
• 31:26
  I
• 31:26
  hitting?
• 31:26
  That
• 31:27
  is
• 31:27
  so
• 31:27
  funny,
• 31:27
  but
• 31:28
  so
• 31:28
  true.
• 31:28
  That's
• 31:29
  just
• 31:29
  great.
• 31:32
  Oh,
• 31:33
  man,
• 31:33
  that's
• 31:34
  funny.
• 31:34
  I'm
• 31:34
  gonna
• 31:35
  talk
• 31:35
  about
• 31:35
  that
• 31:35
  again
• 31:36
  later
• 31:36
  on.
• 31:36
  It's
• 31:36
  actually
• 31:37
  something
• 31:37
  I
• 31:37
  never
• 31:37
  thought
• 31:38
  about,
• 31:38
  but
• 31:38
  it's
• 31:39
  so
• 31:39
  True.
• 31:40
  Yeah.
• 31:40
  Oh,
• 31:41
  boy.
• 31:41
  I
• 31:41
  guess
• 31:41
  there's
• 31:42
  some
• 31:42
  reasons
• 31:42
  for
• 31:42
  that
• 31:42
  too.
• 31:43
  I
• 31:43
  guess.
• 31:43
  Yeah.
• 31:43
  The
• 31:43
  blend
• 31:44
  of
• 31:44
  music
• 31:44
  is
• 31:44
  a
• 31:44
  little
• 31:45
  closer
• 31:45
  related
• 31:46
  than
• 31:46
  some
• 31:47
  of
• 31:47
  the
• 31:47
  others.
• 31:49
  Yeah,
• 31:50
  yeah,
• 31:51
  well,
• 31:51
  yeah,
• 31:53
  people
• 31:53
  are
• 31:53
  more
• 31:53
  confident,
• 31:54
  I
• 31:54
  mean,
• 31:55
  more
• 31:55
  comfortable
• 31:56
  talking
• 31:57
  religion.
• 31:57
  It's
• 31:57
  not
• 31:58
  unusual,
• 31:58
  you
• 31:58
  know,
• 31:59
  you
• 31:59
  meet
• 31:59
  somebody.
• 31:59
  Well,
• 32:00
  what
• 32:00
  church
• 32:00
  do
• 32:00
  you
• 32:00
  go
• 32:01
  to?
• 32:02
  You
• 32:03
  don't
• 32:03
  get
• 32:03
  that
• 32:03
  in
• 32:03
  LA
• 32:04
  or
• 32:04
  New
• 32:04
  York.
• 32:05
  No,
• 32:05
  but
• 32:06
  you
• 32:06
  get
• 32:06
  it
• 32:06
  in
• 32:06
  Nashville
• 32:07
  and
• 32:07
  you
• 32:07
  get
• 32:07
  it
• 32:07
  in
• 32:07
  the
• 32:07
  south,
• 32:08
  you
• 32:08
  know,
• 32:08
  what
• 32:08
  church
• 32:09
  do
• 32:09
  you
• 32:09
  go
• 32:09
  to?
• 32:10
  Or
• 32:11
  we're
• 32:11
  going
• 32:12
  to
• 32:12
  have
• 32:12
  a
• 32:12
  potluck
• 32:12
  dinner
• 32:13
  on,
• 32:13
  you
• 32:14
  know,
• 32:14
  Sunday
• 32:14
  afternoon,
• 32:15
  all
• 32:15
  that
• 32:15
  stuff.
• 32:16
  The
• 32:16
  social
• 32:17
  life
• 32:17
  is
• 32:17
  connected
• 32:18
  to
• 32:18
  the
• 32:18
  church.
• 32:19
  Yeah.
• 32:19
  Well,
• 32:20
  as
• 32:20
  the
• 32:20
  music,
• 32:21
  that
• 32:22
  makes
• 32:22
  a
• 32:22
  big
• 32:22
  difference.
• 32:23
  And
• 32:23
  it
• 32:23
  was
• 32:23
  in
• 32:23
  black
• 32:23
  culture.
• 32:24
  That's
• 32:24
  true.
• 32:26
  The
• 32:26
  church
• 32:27
  is
• 32:27
  part
• 32:27
  of
• 32:28
  that
• 32:28
  social
• 32:28
  life.
• 32:29
  That
• 32:29
  social
• 32:29
  but
• 32:29
  cultural.
• 32:30
  Yeah,
• 32:31
  that's
• 32:31
  true.
• 32:31
  That's
• 32:31
  true.
• 32:32
  It's
• 32:32
  all
• 32:32
  connected
• 32:33
  there,
• 32:35
  I
• 32:36
  guess.
• 32:36
  Just
• 32:36
  going
• 32:36
  a
• 32:36
  little
• 32:36
  deeper
• 32:37
  on
• 32:37
  Nashville.
• 32:40
  Wait,
• 32:40
  I
• 32:40
  don't
• 32:40
  know
• 32:40
  if
• 32:41
  you've
• 32:41
  said
• 32:41
  this.
• 32:41
  Have
• 32:41
  you
• 32:41
  always
• 32:42
  been
• 32:42
  in
• 32:42
  Nashville?
• 32:44
  I
• 32:45
  moved
• 32:45
  to
• 32:46
  Tennessee
• 32:46
  in
• 32:46
  1972.
• 32:48
  That's
• 32:48
  before
• 32:48
  you
• 32:49
  were
• 32:49
  born.
• 32:50
  Okay,
• 32:51
  fair
• 32:51
  enough.
• 32:52
  And
• 32:53
  in
• 32:53
  73,
• 32:54
  I
• 32:54
  moved
• 32:54
  to
• 32:54
  Nashville.
• 32:55
  Okay.
• 32:56
  I've
• 32:56
  been
• 32:56
  here
• 32:57
  since
• 32:57
  then.
• 32:57
  So
• 32:57
  what's
• 32:57
  that,
• 32:58
  50
• 32:58
  years
• 32:59
  or
• 32:59
  so?
• 33:00
  Yeah,
• 33:01
  whatever
• 33:01
  it
• 33:01
  is.
• 33:02
  Yeah,
• 33:03
  a
• 33:03
  lot
• 33:03
  of
• 33:03
  years.
• 33:03
  So
• 33:04
  how
• 33:04
  many
• 33:04
  decades,
• 33:05
  really?
• 33:05
  How
• 33:05
  many
• 33:05
  or
• 33:06
  how
• 33:06
  much,
• 33:06
  I
• 33:07
  guess
• 33:07
  has
• 33:07
  Nashville
• 33:08
  itself
• 33:09
  changed
• 33:09
  over
• 33:09
  the
• 33:10
  years
• 33:10
  and
• 33:10
  what
• 33:10
  like,
• 33:11
  significant
• 33:11
  ways?
• 33:12
  Oh,
• 33:12
  Lord,
• 33:13
  it's
• 33:14
  become
• 33:14
  an
• 33:14
  it
• 33:14
  city.
• 33:15
  You
• 33:15
  know,
• 33:16
  one
• 33:16
  of
• 33:16
  the
• 33:17
  cool
• 33:17
  places.
• 33:18
  We
• 33:18
  have
• 33:18
  all
• 33:18
  of
• 33:18
  these
• 33:20
  bridal
• 33:21
  things
• 33:22
  coming
• 33:22
  in.
• 33:22
  You
• 33:22
  know,
• 33:23
  going
• 33:23
  to
• 33:23
  Lower
• 33:23
  Broadway
• 33:24
  where
• 33:24
  all
• 33:24
  the
• 33:24
  clubs
• 33:24
  are
• 33:25
  and
• 33:25
  getting
• 33:25
  drunk
• 33:26
  and
• 33:26
  celebrating
• 33:26
  before
• 33:27
  they
• 33:27
  get
• 33:27
  married.
• 33:27
  And
• 33:28
  in
• 33:29
  terms
• 33:29
  of
• 33:29
  the
• 33:29
  music
• 33:29
  industry,
• 33:30
  it's
• 33:30
  got
• 33:30
  a
• 33:30
  lot
• 33:30
  more
• 33:31
  corporate.
• 33:32
  It
• 33:32
  used
• 33:32
  to
• 33:33
  be
• 33:33
  New
• 33:33
  York
• 33:33
  and
• 33:34
  LA
• 33:34
  ran
• 33:34
  everything.
• 33:35
  Nashville
• 33:35
  was
• 33:36
  sort
• 33:36
  of
• 33:36
  an
• 33:36
  outpost.
• 33:37
  Okay.
• 33:37
  Now
• 33:38
  Nashville
• 33:39
  can
• 33:39
  make
• 33:39
  its
• 33:39
  own
• 33:40
  decisions.
• 33:41
  Yeah,
• 33:41
  they
• 33:41
  didn't
• 33:41
  think
• 33:42
  we
• 33:42
  were
• 33:42
  very
• 33:43
  smart
• 33:43
  for
• 33:43
  a
• 33:43
  while,
• 33:47
  change
• 33:47
  their
• 33:48
  minds
• 33:48
  on
• 33:48
  that.
• 33:49
  And
• 33:49
  of
• 33:49
  course,
• 33:50
  just
• 33:50
  sheer
• 33:50
  numbers,
• 33:51
  you
• 33:52
  know,
• 33:52
  of
• 33:53
  the
• 33:53
  traffic,
• 33:54
  all
• 33:54
  of
• 33:55
  that,
• 33:55
  you
• 33:55
  know,
• 33:55
  the,
• 33:56
  you
• 33:56
  know,
• 33:56
  trying
• 33:56
  to
• 33:56
  find
• 33:57
  housing.
• 33:58
  All
• 33:58
  of
• 33:58
  those
• 33:59
  things
• 33:59
  that,
• 33:59
  you
• 34:00
  know,
• 34:00
  hot.
• 34:00
  Some
• 34:00
  hot
• 34:01
  cities
• 34:01
  are.
• 34:02
  Are,
• 34:04
  you
• 34:04
  know,
• 34:04
  are
• 34:04
  facing.
• 34:05
  Yeah,
• 34:06
  people
• 34:06
  in
• 34:06
  la.
• 34:06
  I
• 34:07
  run
• 34:07
  into
• 34:07
  people
• 34:07
  from
• 34:07
  LA
• 34:08
  quite
• 34:09
  a
• 34:09
  bit
• 34:09
  going,
• 34:09
  gee,
• 34:10
  I
• 34:10
  wish
• 34:10
  I
• 34:10
  lived
• 34:10
  in
• 34:10
  Nashville.
• 34:11
  I'd
• 34:11
  like
• 34:11
  to
• 34:12
  get
• 34:12
  out
• 34:12
  of
• 34:12
  la.
• 34:13
  I
• 34:14
  don't
• 34:14
  hear
• 34:14
  that
• 34:15
  from
• 34:15
  people
• 34:15
  from
• 34:16
  New
• 34:16
  York.
• 34:16
  They
• 34:16
  don't
• 34:16
  think
• 34:17
  they
• 34:17
  can
• 34:17
  survive
• 34:17
  outside
• 34:18
  of
• 34:18
  New
• 34:18
  York.
• 34:19
  Yeah,
• 34:19
  yeah.
• 34:20
  And
• 34:20
  Texas,
• 34:21
  they,
• 34:21
  you
• 34:21
  know,
• 34:21
  Texas
• 34:22
  is.
• 34:22
  Tennessee's
• 34:23
  a
• 34:23
  road
• 34:23
  trip
• 34:23
  for
• 34:24
  them,
• 34:25
  like
• 34:26
  where
• 34:26
  they
• 34:26
  are.
• 34:27
  Yeah.
• 34:28
  But
• 34:29
  a
• 34:29
  lot
• 34:29
  of
• 34:29
  people
• 34:29
  have
• 34:30
  migrated
• 34:30
  to
• 34:31
  like,
• 34:31
  like
• 34:31
  you
• 34:31
  said,
• 34:31
  Nashville
• 34:32
  and
• 34:32
  Texas
• 34:34
  over
• 34:34
  the
• 34:34
  last
• 34:34
  decade.
• 34:35
  I've
• 34:36
  noticed
• 34:36
  a
• 34:36
  big
• 34:36
  shift.
• 34:37
  And
• 34:38
  like
• 34:38
  you
• 34:38
  said,
• 34:38
  that
• 34:39
  commercial.
• 34:41
  I
• 34:41
  don't
• 34:42
  know
• 34:42
  what
• 34:42
  you
• 34:42
  would
• 34:42
  call
• 34:42
  it,
• 34:42
  but
• 34:43
  just
• 34:43
  like
• 34:43
  the
• 34:43
  commercial
• 34:44
  uprising
• 34:45
  that's
• 34:45
  really
• 34:46
  gotten
• 34:46
  Nashville,
• 34:46
  because
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  know
• 34:48
  four
• 34:48
  people
• 34:48
  just
• 34:48
  in
• 34:49
  my
• 34:49
  small
• 34:49
  circle
• 34:50
  that
• 34:50
  have
• 34:50
  gone
• 34:50
  to
• 34:51
  Nashville
• 34:51
  recently
• 34:51
  and
• 34:52
  just
• 34:52
  talked
• 34:53
  about
• 34:53
  the.
• 34:53
  The
• 34:54
  energy
• 34:54
  and
• 34:54
  how
• 34:54
  great
• 34:55
  of
• 34:55
  a
• 34:55
  town
• 34:55
  it
• 34:55
  is.
• 34:55
  And.
• 34:56
  And
• 34:56
  my
• 34:57
  one
• 34:57
  friend
• 34:57
  that
• 34:57
  used
• 34:58
  to
• 34:58
  go
• 34:58
  a
• 34:58
  lot,
• 34:59
  he
• 34:59
  doesn't
• 34:59
  go
• 35:00
  anymore
• 35:00
  because
• 35:00
  he
• 35:00
  doesn't
• 35:01
  like
• 35:01
  the
• 35:01
  way
• 35:01
  it's
• 35:01
  changed
• 35:02
  and
• 35:02
  it's
• 35:02
  gotten
• 35:02
  really
• 35:03
  commercial
• 35:03
  and
• 35:03
  expensive.
• 35:04
  Yeah.
• 35:05
  I
• 35:05
  wonder.
• 35:06
  I
• 35:06
  wonder
• 35:06
  if
• 35:08
  is.
• 35:08
  Nash
• 35:09
  is
• 35:09
  like,
• 35:09
  is
• 35:10
  it
• 35:10
  possible
• 35:10
  to
• 35:11
  preserve
• 35:12
  what,
• 35:13
  you
• 35:14
  know,
• 35:14
  what
• 35:14
  makes
• 35:14
  Nashville,
• 35:15
  Nashville
• 35:15
  its
• 35:16
  charm,
• 35:16
  or
• 35:16
  do
• 35:16
  you
• 35:17
  think
• 35:17
  that,
• 35:17
  like
• 35:18
  all
• 35:18
  the
• 35:18
  other
• 35:18
  cities,
• 35:19
  it
• 35:19
  might.
• 35:19
  It
• 35:19
  might
• 35:19
  lose
• 35:20
  that?
• 35:21
  Yeah,
• 35:22
  I
• 35:23
  think
• 35:23
  it's
• 35:23
  still
• 35:23
  keeping
• 35:24
  this
• 35:24
  charm
• 35:25
  simply
• 35:25
  because
• 35:25
  it's
• 35:26
  a
• 35:26
  small
• 35:26
  city,
• 35:27
  it's
• 35:27
  not
• 35:27
  a
• 35:27
  big
• 35:28
  city.
• 35:28
  True.
• 35:29
  And
• 35:29
  so
• 35:29
  that's.
• 35:29
  That's
• 35:30
  an
• 35:30
  advantage.
• 35:31
  You
• 35:31
  know,
• 35:31
  the
• 35:31
  key
• 35:32
  to
• 35:32
  its
• 35:32
  growth
• 35:33
  this,
• 35:33
  the
• 35:33
  growth
• 35:34
  in
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  south
• 35:34
  was
• 35:35
  that
• 35:35
  it
• 35:35
  was
• 35:35
  cold
• 35:35
  weather
• 35:36
  up
• 35:36
  north
• 35:36
  and
• 35:36
  it
• 35:37
  was
• 35:37
  warmer
• 35:37
  down
• 35:38
  South.
• 35:38
  Now
• 35:39
  for
• 35:39
  a
• 35:39
  long
• 35:39
  time,
• 35:39
  it
• 35:40
  was
• 35:40
  too
• 35:40
  hot.
• 35:41
  You
• 35:41
  sweat
• 35:42
  too
• 35:42
  much.
• 35:42
  So
• 35:43
  when
• 35:43
  they
• 35:44
  had
• 35:44
  air
• 35:44
  conditioning
• 35:45
  and
• 35:46
  interstates
• 35:47
  a
• 35:47
  lot,
• 35:47
  it's
• 35:48
  a
• 35:48
  lot
• 35:48
  easier
• 35:49
  to
• 35:49
  move
• 35:49
  to
• 35:49
  the
• 35:50
  south
• 35:50
  and
• 35:50
  live
• 35:50
  in
• 35:50
  the
• 35:50
  South.
• 35:51
  And
• 35:52
  plus
• 35:52
  the
• 35:52
  north
• 35:53
  lost
• 35:53
  the
• 35:54
  industrial
• 35:54
  base.
• 35:55
  That's
• 35:56
  one
• 35:56
  of
• 35:56
  the
• 35:56
  things,
• 35:56
  you
• 35:56
  know,
• 35:57
  they're
• 35:57
  talking
• 35:57
  about
• 35:57
  trying
• 35:57
  to
• 35:58
  bring
• 35:58
  manufacturing
• 35:59
  back
• 36:00
  to.
• 36:00
  Back
• 36:01
  to
• 36:01
  the
• 36:01
  United
• 36:01
  States.
• 36:02
  And.
• 36:02
  And
• 36:03
  when
• 36:03
  they
• 36:03
  lost
• 36:04
  that
• 36:04
  manufacturing
• 36:05
  base.
• 36:05
  Oh,
• 36:05
  my
• 36:05
  phone
• 36:06
  just
• 36:06
  went
• 36:06
  off.
• 36:07
  When
• 36:08
  you
• 36:08
  lose.
• 36:08
  When
• 36:09
  you
• 36:09
  lose
• 36:09
  that,
• 36:10
  you
• 36:10
  know,
• 36:10
  you
• 36:10
  get
• 36:10
  out
• 36:10
  of
• 36:11
  the
• 36:11
  music
• 36:11
  business.
• 36:11
  Not
• 36:12
  talking
• 36:12
  about
• 36:12
  music
• 36:13
  per
• 36:13
  se,
• 36:14
  but
• 36:14
  you
• 36:14
  get
• 36:14
  out
• 36:14
  of
• 36:15
  that
• 36:15
  and
• 36:15
  people
• 36:15
  just
• 36:15
  looking
• 36:16
  for
• 36:16
  jobs
• 36:17
  and
• 36:17
  the
• 36:17
  jobs
• 36:17
  are
• 36:17
  disappearing.
• 36:19
  True.
• 36:19
  Of
• 36:19
  those.
• 36:20
  Of
• 36:20
  those
• 36:20
  manufacturing
• 36:21
  jobs.
• 36:21
  So
• 36:21
  that
• 36:21
  makes
• 36:22
  a
• 36:22
  big
• 36:22
  difference.
• 36:23
  That's
• 36:23
  true.
• 36:23
  Yeah,
• 36:24
  that's
• 36:24
  very
• 36:24
  true.
• 36:25
  That
• 36:25
  is
• 36:25
  very
• 36:26
  true.
• 36:26
  Well,
• 36:27
  I
• 36:27
  guess.
• 36:27
  Where
• 36:28
  in
• 36:28
  Canada
• 36:28
  are
• 36:28
  you
• 36:28
  from?
• 36:30
  We're.
• 36:30
  We're
• 36:30
  both
• 36:31
  like,
• 36:31
  outside.
• 36:31
  Just
• 36:32
  outside
• 36:32
  Toronto.
• 36:33
  Oh,
• 36:34
  I've
• 36:34
  been
• 36:34
  there.
• 36:34
  Oh,
• 36:35
  you've
• 36:35
  been
• 36:35
  okay.
• 36:35
  Yeah.
• 36:36
  Good
• 36:37
  place
• 36:37
  to
• 36:37
  be.
• 36:37
  A
• 36:37
  little
• 36:37
  colder,
• 36:38
  but
• 36:39
  I
• 36:40
  remember
• 36:40
  shopping
• 36:41
  malls
• 36:41
  underground.
• 36:42
  Oh,
• 36:42
  yeah,
• 36:43
  we
• 36:43
  have.
• 36:43
  Yeah,
• 36:44
  we
• 36:44
  have
• 36:44
  those.
• 36:45
  Yeah,
• 36:46
  it's
• 36:47
  pretty
• 36:47
  cool.
• 36:49
  So
• 36:49
  I
• 36:50
  guess
• 36:50
  just
• 36:50
  given
• 36:50
  your
• 36:50
  history
• 36:51
  and
• 36:51
  your.
• 36:52
  The
• 36:52
  amount
• 36:52
  of
• 36:52
  time
• 36:52
  that
• 36:53
  you
• 36:53
  spent
• 36:53
  in
• 36:53
  Nashville
• 36:54
  and
• 36:54
  the
• 36:54
  changes
• 36:55
  that
• 36:55
  you've
• 36:55
  seen
• 36:55
  over
• 36:56
  the
• 36:56
  years,
• 36:57
  what
• 36:58
  would
• 36:58
  you.
• 36:58
  What
• 36:59
  do
• 36:59
  you
• 36:59
  predict
• 36:59
  is
• 36:59
  next
• 37:00
  or
• 37:00
  what's
• 37:00
  like,
• 37:00
  on
• 37:00
  the
• 37:01
  rise?
• 37:01
  What
• 37:01
  can
• 37:01
  we
• 37:02
  outsiders
• 37:02
  look
• 37:02
  out
• 37:03
  for
• 37:03
  next
• 37:03
  from
• 37:03
  Nashville,
• 37:04
  do
• 37:04
  you
• 37:04
  think?
• 37:07
  Well,
• 37:08
  I
• 37:08
  think
• 37:09
  Nashville
• 37:10
  will
• 37:10
  keep
• 37:10
  going
• 37:11
  because
• 37:12
  the
• 37:13
  infrastructure
• 37:14
  in
• 37:14
  terms
• 37:14
  of
• 37:14
  the
• 37:15
  music
• 37:15
  business,
• 37:16
  just.
• 37:16
  Just
• 37:16
  music
• 37:16
  business,
• 37:17
  because
• 37:18
  we
• 37:18
  have
• 37:19
  two
• 37:19
  really
• 37:19
  good
• 37:20
  universities
• 37:20
  here
• 37:21
  teaching
• 37:21
  about
• 37:21
  the
• 37:21
  music
• 37:22
  business,
• 37:22
  Belmont
• 37:23
  and
• 37:23
  Middle
• 37:23
  Tennessee
• 37:24
  State.
• 37:24
  And
• 37:25
  so
• 37:25
  you've
• 37:25
  got
• 37:25
  a
• 37:26
  workforce
• 37:27
  growing
• 37:28
  into
• 37:29
  that
• 37:29
  because
• 37:29
  then,
• 37:29
  you
• 37:30
  know,
• 37:30
  you
• 37:30
  go
• 37:30
  to
• 37:30
  school
• 37:30
  and
• 37:31
  you
• 37:31
  have
• 37:31
  the
• 37:31
  internships.
• 37:32
  If
• 37:32
  you
• 37:32
  do
• 37:33
  good,
• 37:33
  you
• 37:33
  can
• 37:33
  get
• 37:34
  hired.
• 37:34
  So
• 37:34
  you've
• 37:35
  got
• 37:35
  that
• 37:35
  infrastructure.
• 37:37
  That's
• 37:38
  the
• 37:38
  thing
• 37:38
  that
• 37:38
  Texas
• 37:39
  doesn't
• 37:39
  have.
• 37:40
  Texas
• 37:40
  always
• 37:40
  hated
• 37:41
  the
• 37:41
  business.
• 37:41
  You
• 37:41
  know,
• 37:42
  it's.
• 37:42
  If
• 37:42
  you're
• 37:42
  an
• 37:43
  artist,
• 37:43
  it's
• 37:43
  cool
• 37:43
  to
• 37:43
  say,
• 37:43
  I
• 37:44
  hate
• 37:44
  the
• 37:44
  business.
• 37:44
  I
• 37:44
  don't
• 37:44
  want
• 37:45
  anything
• 37:45
  to
• 37:45
  do
• 37:45
  with
• 37:45
  the
• 37:45
  business.
• 37:46
  But
• 37:46
  you
• 37:46
  got
• 37:47
  to
• 37:47
  have
• 37:47
  the
• 37:47
  business.
• 37:47
  It's
• 37:48
  a
• 37:48
  component,
• 37:49
  important
• 37:49
  component.
• 37:50
  So
• 37:50
  I
• 37:50
  think
• 37:50
  it
• 37:51
  will
• 37:51
  continue
• 37:51
  to
• 37:51
  grow.
• 37:52
  I
• 37:52
  think
• 37:53
  now
• 37:53
  I
• 37:53
  don't
• 37:54
  know
• 37:54
  what's
• 37:54
  going
• 37:54
  to
• 37:54
  happen
• 37:54
  with
• 37:54
  AI
• 37:55
  people.
• 37:56
  They're
• 37:56
  still
• 37:56
  trying
• 37:56
  to
• 37:56
  play
• 37:57
  with
• 37:57
  that.
• 37:57
  Right.
• 37:58
  It's
• 37:58
  still
• 37:58
  a
• 37:58
  toy
• 37:59
  right
• 37:59
  now
• 37:59
  and
• 38:00
  have
• 38:00
  it
• 38:00
  all
• 38:01
  figured
• 38:01
  it
• 38:01
  all
• 38:01
  out.
• 38:02
  But
• 38:02
  in
• 38:03
  terms
• 38:03
  of
• 38:03
  the
• 38:03
  technology,
• 38:03
  with
• 38:04
  the
• 38:04
  computers
• 38:05
  playing
• 38:05
  a
• 38:05
  major
• 38:05
  role
• 38:06
  in
• 38:06
  the
• 38:06
  production,
• 38:07
  that's
• 38:08
  going
• 38:08
  to
• 38:08
  continue.
• 38:10
  And
• 38:10
  because
• 38:11
  there's
• 38:12
  no
• 38:12
  gatekeepers,
• 38:13
  you
• 38:13
  know,
• 38:13
  it
• 38:13
  used
• 38:13
  to
• 38:13
  be
• 38:13
  a
• 38:14
  label
• 38:14
  decided
• 38:15
  who
• 38:15
  to
• 38:15
  sign.
• 38:16
  And
• 38:16
  it's
• 38:16
  not.
• 38:17
  Anybody
• 38:17
  can
• 38:17
  go
• 38:17
  out
• 38:18
  and
• 38:18
  cut.
• 38:18
  I
• 38:19
  say
• 38:19
  cut
• 38:19
  a
• 38:19
  record.
• 38:20
  We
• 38:21
  still
• 38:21
  call
• 38:21
  it
• 38:21
  record.
• 38:24
  Still.
• 38:26
  Still
• 38:26
  cut
• 38:27
  a
• 38:27
  source
• 38:27
  or,
• 38:27
  or
• 38:28
  a
• 38:28
  stream
• 38:28
  or
• 38:28
  something.
• 38:29
  Yeah,
• 38:30
  I
• 38:30
  think
• 38:30
  that,
• 38:31
  that,
• 38:31
  that'll
• 38:32
  remain
• 38:32
  on
• 38:32
  the
• 38:33
  creative
• 38:33
  side.
• 38:34
  As
• 38:34
  long
• 38:34
  as
• 38:35
  we
• 38:35
  don't
• 38:35
  have
• 38:35
  a,
• 38:36
  you
• 38:36
  know,
• 38:37
  a
• 38:38
  weather
• 38:38
  disaster
• 38:39
  or
• 38:39
  something,
• 38:39
  I
• 38:39
  think
• 38:40
  we'll.
• 38:40
  We'll
• 38:41
  keep
• 38:41
  going.
• 38:45
  Do
• 38:45
  you
• 38:45
  think
• 38:46
  there
• 38:47
  are
• 38:47
  challenges
• 38:48
  that,
• 38:48
  you
• 38:49
  know,
• 38:49
  uniquely
• 38:50
  face
• 38:50
  country
• 38:50
  music
• 38:51
  artists
• 38:51
  that
• 38:52
  most
• 38:52
  other
• 38:53
  genres
• 38:53
  don't
• 38:54
  really
• 38:54
  actually
• 38:54
  have
• 38:55
  to,
• 38:55
  you
• 38:56
  know,
• 38:56
  deal
• 38:56
  with?
• 38:58
  Yeah,
• 38:58
  the
• 38:59
  country,
• 39:00
  it
• 39:00
  was
• 39:01
  about.
• 39:01
  Now,
• 39:01
  I
• 39:01
  don't
• 39:01
  know
• 39:02
  if
• 39:02
  this
• 39:02
  is
• 39:02
  still
• 39:02
  true,
• 39:03
  but
• 39:03
  I
• 39:03
  know
• 39:03
  at
• 39:03
  one
• 39:04
  time,
• 39:05
  and
• 39:05
  it's
• 39:05
  still
• 39:05
  true
• 39:05
  to
• 39:06
  some
• 39:06
  extent.
• 39:07
  A
• 39:07
  third
• 39:07
  of
• 39:07
  the
• 39:08
  people
• 39:08
  in
• 39:08
  the
• 39:08
  country
• 39:08
  hated
• 39:09
  country
• 39:09
  music.
• 39:10
  They
• 39:10
  didn't
• 39:11
  hate
• 39:11
  it
• 39:11
  because
• 39:11
  of
• 39:11
  the
• 39:12
  sound,
• 39:12
  because
• 39:12
  they'd
• 39:13
  listen
• 39:13
  to
• 39:13
  it
• 39:14
  and
• 39:14
  kind
• 39:14
  of
• 39:14
  like
• 39:14
  it.
• 39:15
  But
• 39:15
  that
• 39:16
  image,
• 39:16
  that
• 39:16
  image
• 39:17
  that
• 39:17
  dates
• 39:17
  back
• 39:18
  for
• 39:18
  years,
• 39:19
  you
• 39:19
  know,
• 39:19
  the.
• 39:20
  The
• 39:20
  segregated
• 39:21
  South.
• 39:21
  The
• 39:22
  segregated
• 39:22
  country,
• 39:23
  really.
• 39:23
  Right.
• 39:24
  Yeah.
• 39:24
  All
• 39:24
  of
• 39:24
  those
• 39:25
  negative
• 39:25
  factors,
• 39:25
  they
• 39:26
  didn't
• 39:26
  want
• 39:26
  to
• 39:26
  be
• 39:26
  associated
• 39:27
  with
• 39:27
  that.
• 39:27
  And
• 39:28
  we've
• 39:28
  seen
• 39:28
  a
• 39:28
  lot
• 39:28
  of
• 39:29
  that
• 39:29
  fall
• 39:29
  away.
• 39:30
  Right.
• 39:31
  Especially
• 39:31
  with.
• 39:32
  Amongst
• 39:32
  the
• 39:32
  young
• 39:33
  people.
• 39:34
  You
• 39:34
  know,
• 39:34
  it
• 39:34
  used
• 39:34
  to
• 39:35
  be,
• 39:35
  you
• 39:35
  know,
• 39:35
  a
• 39:36
  mixed
• 39:36
  race
• 39:36
  couple.
• 39:37
  Boy,
• 39:37
  that
• 39:37
  was.
• 39:37
  They
• 39:38
  had
• 39:38
  laws
• 39:38
  against
• 39:39
  it.
• 39:39
  Now
• 39:40
  it's
• 39:40
  just
• 39:40
  part
• 39:40
  of
• 39:41
  life.
• 39:41
  All
• 39:42
  of
• 39:42
  those
• 39:42
  things,
• 39:43
  you
• 39:43
  know,
• 39:43
  the
• 39:43
  tolerance
• 39:44
  of
• 39:44
  the
• 39:44
  gay
• 39:45
  community,
• 39:46
  you
• 39:46
  know,
• 39:47
  acceptance,
• 39:47
  I
• 39:47
  should
• 39:48
  say,
• 39:48
  and
• 39:49
  all
• 39:50
  of
• 39:50
  those
• 39:50
  things.
• 39:50
  So
• 39:51
  you,
• 39:51
  you
• 39:51
  know,
• 39:52
  the
• 39:52
  south
• 39:52
  has
• 39:53
  been
• 39:53
  dragged
• 39:53
  along.
• 39:55
  Sure.
• 39:56
  And
• 39:56
  so
• 39:56
  the
• 39:56
  young
• 39:57
  and
• 39:57
  the
• 39:57
  young
• 39:57
  people
• 39:57
  don't,
• 39:58
  you
• 39:59
  know,
• 39:59
  they
• 39:59
  don't
• 40:00
  live
• 40:00
  in
• 40:00
  all
• 40:01
  those
• 40:01
  old
• 40:01
  prejudices
• 40:02
  and
• 40:02
  and
• 40:02
  stereotypes
• 40:04
  and
• 40:04
  that's
• 40:04
  been
• 40:04
  going,
• 40:05
  going
• 40:05
  on
• 40:05
  for
• 40:05
  a
• 40:05
  pretty
• 40:06
  good
• 40:06
  while.
• 40:08
  So
• 40:08
  I,
• 40:08
  I
• 40:08
  think
• 40:09
  that
• 40:09
  that's
• 40:10
  that
• 40:10
  future.
• 40:11
  You
• 40:11
  got
• 40:11
  a
• 40:11
  lot
• 40:12
  more
• 40:12
  tolerance
• 40:12
  as
• 40:13
  a
• 40:13
  city.
• 40:13
  Even
• 40:13
  though
• 40:13
  we're
• 40:14
  very
• 40:14
  red
• 40:14
  state.
• 40:15
  Right.
• 40:16
  There's,
• 40:17
  there's,
• 40:17
  there's
• 40:17
  a
• 40:17
  tolerance
• 40:18
  there
• 40:18
  and
• 40:18
  acceptance
• 40:19
  there
• 40:19
  that
• 40:19
  used
• 40:20
  to
• 40:20
  not
• 40:20
  be
• 40:20
  there.
• 40:21
  And
• 40:21
  like
• 40:21
  I
• 40:22
  said,
• 40:22
  young
• 40:22
  people
• 40:22
  are
• 40:22
  colorblind
• 40:23
  and
• 40:23
  you
• 40:23
  got
• 40:23
  people
• 40:24
  coming
• 40:24
  in,
• 40:24
  moving
• 40:25
  in
• 40:25
  from
• 40:25
  Minnesota
• 40:26
  and
• 40:27
  Oregon
• 40:27
  and
• 40:28
  over
• 40:29
  Texas
• 40:29
  and
• 40:29
  LA
• 40:30
  and
• 40:30
  Michigan
• 40:31
  and
• 40:31
  all
• 40:31
  of
• 40:31
  that.
• 40:32
  Yeah.
• 40:32
  And
• 40:33
  it's
• 40:33
  not
• 40:33
  just
• 40:34
  having
• 40:34
  people
• 40:35
  who
• 40:35
  grew
• 40:36
  up
• 40:36
  in
• 40:36
  a
• 40:36
  place
• 40:37
  and
• 40:37
  they
• 40:37
  stay
• 40:37
  in
• 40:38
  the
• 40:38
  place.
• 40:38
  Right.
• 40:39
  So
• 40:39
  we
• 40:39
  have
• 40:39
  a
• 40:40
  pretty
• 40:40
  diverse
• 40:41
  population
• 40:42
  there
• 40:42
  in
• 40:42
  terms
• 40:43
  of
• 40:43
  those
• 40:43
  backgrounds.
• 40:45
  True.
• 40:46
  Interesting.
• 40:47
  Yeah.
• 40:47
  Yeah.
• 40:49
  So
• 40:50
  now
• 40:50
  I
• 40:50
  was
• 40:50
  going
• 40:50
  to
• 40:51
  ask
• 40:51
  you
• 40:51
  a
• 40:51
  little
• 40:51
  bit
• 40:51
  about
• 40:52
  the
• 40:52
  university,
• 40:53
  but
• 40:53
  you
• 40:53
  kind
• 40:53
  of
• 40:53
  explained
• 40:54
  what
• 40:54
  I
• 40:54
  was,
• 40:54
  I
• 40:54
  was
• 40:55
  about
• 40:55
  to
• 40:55
  dive
• 40:55
  into
• 40:56
  is
• 40:56
  just,
• 40:56
  it
• 40:56
  sounds
• 40:57
  like
• 40:57
  the
• 40:57
  university
• 40:57
  is
• 40:58
  pretty
• 40:58
  connected
• 40:58
  with
• 40:58
  the
• 40:59
  industry
• 40:59
  and
• 40:59
  has
• 41:00
  different
• 41:00
  outlets
• 41:01
  and
• 41:01
  areas
• 41:01
  to
• 41:02
  guide
• 41:02
  students
• 41:02
  towards.
• 41:03
  Yeah,
• 41:04
  but
• 41:05
  I'm
• 41:05
  still,
• 41:05
  imagine
• 41:05
  there's
• 41:06
  still
• 41:06
  a
• 41:06
  lot
• 41:06
  of
• 41:06
  ways
• 41:07
  to
• 41:07
  make
• 41:07
  it
• 41:07
  in
• 41:07
  the
• 41:08
  music
• 41:08
  industry.
• 41:09
  I
• 41:10
  don't
• 41:10
  know,
• 41:11
  like
• 41:11
  what
• 41:11
  types,
• 41:12
  like
• 41:13
  types
• 41:13
  of
• 41:13
  students
• 41:13
  that
• 41:14
  you
• 41:14
  mainly
• 41:15
  are
• 41:15
  dealing
• 41:15
  with,
• 41:16
  but
• 41:16
  I
• 41:16
  guess
• 41:16
  just
• 41:17
  as
• 41:17
  an
• 41:17
  overall.
• 41:18
  Do
• 41:18
  you
• 41:18
  have
• 41:19
  some
• 41:19
  words
• 41:20
  of
• 41:20
  advice
• 41:20
  to,
• 41:21
  let's
• 41:22
  say
• 41:22
  somebody
• 41:22
  that's
• 41:23
  getting
• 41:23
  ready
• 41:24
  to
• 41:25
  go
• 41:26
  into
• 41:26
  university
• 41:26
  in
• 41:27
  some
• 41:27
  sort
• 41:27
  of
• 41:27
  music
• 41:27
  related
• 41:28
  program?
• 41:29
  What
• 41:30
  words
• 41:30
  of
• 41:30
  guidance
• 41:31
  would
• 41:31
  you
• 41:31
  give
• 41:31
  them?
• 41:33
  Well,
• 41:34
  the
• 41:35
  music
• 41:35
  industry
• 41:36
  specifically
• 41:37
  has
• 41:37
  three
• 41:37
  centers.
• 41:38
  New
• 41:38
  York,
• 41:39
  Louisiana
• 41:39
  and
• 41:39
  Nashville.
• 41:40
  And
• 41:40
  if
• 41:40
  you
• 41:41
  want
• 41:41
  to
• 41:41
  be
• 41:43
  part
• 41:43
  of
• 41:43
  that
• 41:43
  at
• 41:44
  the
• 41:44
  major
• 41:44
  league
• 41:44
  level,
• 41:45
  you
• 41:45
  have
• 41:45
  to
• 41:45
  be
• 41:45
  in
• 41:45
  one
• 41:46
  of
• 41:46
  those
• 41:46
  three
• 41:46
  places.
• 41:47
  Now
• 41:47
  there
• 41:48
  is
• 41:48
  a
• 41:48
  music
• 41:48
  industry
• 41:50
  in
• 41:50
  Toronto,
• 41:51
  in
• 41:52
  Chicago,
• 41:53
  in
• 41:54
  Portland,
• 41:54
  Oregon
• 41:55
  and
• 41:55
  you
• 41:56
  know,
• 41:56
  you
• 41:56
  name
• 41:56
  it,
• 41:57
  people
• 41:57
  are
• 41:57
  putting
• 41:58
  on
• 41:58
  shows,
• 41:58
  putting,
• 41:59
  having
• 42:00
  concerts,
• 42:01
  going
• 42:01
  to
• 42:01
  concerts.
• 42:02
  And
• 42:03
  so,
• 42:04
  you
• 42:04
  know,
• 42:04
  it
• 42:04
  depends
• 42:04
  upon
• 42:05
  what
• 42:05
  level
• 42:05
  you
• 42:05
  want
• 42:05
  to
• 42:06
  play
• 42:06
  at.
• 42:06
  We
• 42:06
  have
• 42:06
  some
• 42:07
  students
• 42:07
  go
• 42:07
  through
• 42:07
  this
• 42:08
  and
• 42:08
  they
• 42:08
  go,
• 42:08
  you
• 42:08
  know,
• 42:09
  I
• 42:09
  miss,
• 42:09
  I
• 42:09
  miss
• 42:09
  mama.
• 42:10
  I
• 42:10
  want
• 42:10
  to
• 42:10
  be
• 42:11
  home.
• 42:11
  I'd
• 42:12
  rather,
• 42:12
  I'd
• 42:12
  rather
• 42:12
  be
• 42:13
  with
• 42:13
  my
• 42:13
  family.
• 42:13
  And
• 42:13
  they
• 42:14
  don't
• 42:14
  hear,
• 42:14
  but
• 42:15
  the
• 42:15
  ones
• 42:15
  that
• 42:15
  do,
• 42:17
  we,
• 42:18
  you
• 42:18
  know,
• 42:18
  it's
• 42:19
  set
• 42:19
  up
• 42:20
  so
• 42:21
  that
• 42:21
  they
• 42:21
  can
• 42:21
  get
• 42:22
  an
• 42:22
  education
• 42:22
  and
• 42:23
  an
• 42:23
  opportunity
• 42:24
  and
• 42:25
  the
• 42:25
  ones
• 42:25
  who
• 42:25
  take
• 42:25
  advantage
• 42:26
  of
• 42:26
  it
• 42:26
  are
• 42:27
  going
• 42:27
  to
• 42:27
  succeed.
• 42:28
  You
• 42:29
  know,
• 42:29
  in
• 42:29
  any
• 42:29
  field,
• 42:30
  there's
• 42:30
  the
• 42:30
  creme
• 42:31
  de
• 42:31
  la
• 42:31
  creme,
• 42:32
  there's
• 42:32
  the
• 42:32
  top
• 42:32
  people,
• 42:33
  they're
• 42:33
  going
• 42:33
  to
• 42:33
  get
• 42:33
  jobs,
• 42:34
  they're
• 42:34
  going
• 42:34
  to
• 42:34
  do
• 42:34
  well.
• 42:35
  And
• 42:35
  you,
• 42:36
  all
• 42:36
  those
• 42:36
  other
• 42:36
  people
• 42:38
  know
• 42:38
  that
• 42:39
  from
• 42:40
  there
• 42:40
  on
• 42:40
  down.
• 42:41
  And
• 42:41
  so,
• 42:42
  you
• 42:42
  know,
• 42:42
  the
• 42:42
  music
• 42:43
  industry
• 42:43
  teaches
• 42:44
  you
• 42:44
  whether
• 42:44
  you
• 42:44
  want
• 42:44
  to
• 42:44
  be
• 42:45
  part
• 42:45
  of
• 42:45
  it
• 42:45
  or
• 42:45
  not.
• 42:46
  You
• 42:46
  know,
• 42:47
  you
• 42:47
  get
• 42:48
  into
• 42:48
  it,
• 42:48
  you
• 42:48
  have
• 42:48
  that
• 42:49
  opportunity
• 42:49
  and
• 42:49
  you'll,
• 42:50
  you'll
• 42:50
  you'll
• 42:50
  find
• 42:51
  that
• 42:51
  out.
• 42:52
  So
• 42:52
  I
• 42:52
  think
• 42:52
  that's,
• 42:53
  that's
• 42:53
  a
• 42:53
  real
• 42:54
  advantage.
• 42:56
  No,
• 42:57
  no,
• 42:57
  that,
• 42:57
  that,
• 42:57
  that
• 42:58
  makes
• 42:58
  perfect
• 42:58
  sense.
• 42:59
  In
• 42:59
  your
• 43:00
  years
• 43:00
  of,
• 43:00
  of
• 43:01
  teaching
• 43:01
  and,
• 43:02
  and
• 43:02
  just
• 43:03
  being
• 43:03
  part
• 43:03
  of
• 43:04
  music
• 43:04
  in,
• 43:05
  in
• 43:05
  a
• 43:05
  long,
• 43:06
  long
• 43:06
  decade,
• 43:07
  history,
• 43:07
  history
• 43:08
  of
• 43:09
  being
• 43:09
  around
• 43:10
  artists,
• 43:10
  do
• 43:11
  you
• 43:11
  notice
• 43:11
  any
• 43:12
  traits
• 43:12
  that
• 43:12
  stood
• 43:13
  out
• 43:13
  to
• 43:13
  you
• 43:13
  early
• 43:13
  on
• 43:14
  when
• 43:14
  you're
• 43:14
  teaching
• 43:15
  them
• 43:15
  that
• 43:16
  like,
• 43:16
  you
• 43:17
  know,
• 43:17
  that
• 43:17
  they
• 43:17
  might
• 43:18
  be
• 43:18
  an
• 43:18
  outlier
• 43:18
  or
• 43:18
  that
• 43:19
  this,
• 43:19
  this
• 43:19
  one's
• 43:19
  special?
• 43:20
  Is
• 43:20
  there,
• 43:20
  is
• 43:20
  there
• 43:20
  certain
• 43:21
  traits
• 43:21
  that
• 43:21
  you
• 43:21
  notice
• 43:21
  when,
• 43:22
  when
• 43:22
  you
• 43:22
  are
• 43:23
  teaching
• 43:23
  or
• 43:23
  interacting
• 43:24
  with,
• 43:24
  you
• 43:24
  know,
• 43:24
  a
• 43:25
  developing
• 43:25
  artist?
• 43:26
  Yeah.
• 43:27
  First
• 43:27
  of
• 43:28
  all,
• 43:28
  talent.
• 43:29
  Put
• 43:29
  that
• 43:29
  aside.
• 43:30
  I
• 43:30
  mean,
• 43:30
  that's
• 43:30
  a
• 43:30
  given.
• 43:32
  You
• 43:32
  just,
• 43:32
  you
• 43:32
  gotta
• 43:33
  have
• 43:33
  that.
• 43:33
  Start
• 43:33
  with,
• 43:34
  of
• 43:34
  course,
• 43:34
  then
• 43:35
  that
• 43:35
  level
• 43:36
  headedness,
• 43:37
  that
• 43:37
  persistence,
• 43:40
  that
• 43:40
  learning.
• 43:41
  I
• 43:41
  remember
• 43:41
  a
• 43:42
  very
• 43:42
  famous
• 43:42
  artist,
• 43:43
  one
• 43:43
  time
• 43:43
  I
• 43:43
  was
• 43:43
  talking
• 43:44
  to
• 43:44
  him,
• 43:44
  he
• 43:44
  said,
• 43:45
  my
• 43:45
  major
• 43:46
  asset
• 43:46
  is
• 43:46
  I
• 43:47
  know
• 43:47
  how
• 43:47
  to
• 43:47
  meet
• 43:48
  people.
• 43:48
  In
• 43:49
  other
• 43:49
  words,
• 43:49
  because
• 43:49
  you're
• 43:49
  always
• 43:50
  around
• 43:50
  people,
• 43:50
  Radio,
• 43:51
  disc
• 43:51
  jockeys,
• 43:52
  retailers.
• 43:53
  Yeah.
• 43:53
  A
• 43:54
  lot
• 43:54
  of
• 43:54
  different
• 43:55
  folks.
• 43:55
  And
• 43:55
  how
• 43:55
  can
• 43:56
  you
• 43:56
  meet
• 43:56
  them
• 43:57
  socially,
• 43:58
  gracefully?
• 43:59
  Right.
• 44:00
  You
• 44:00
  know,
• 44:00
  move
• 44:01
  on
• 44:01
  to
• 44:01
  the
• 44:01
  next
• 44:01
  person.
• 44:02
  Yeah.
• 44:03
  So
• 44:03
  that
• 44:03
  those
• 44:03
  social
• 44:04
  skills
• 44:05
  are
• 44:05
  so,
• 44:05
  so
• 44:06
  important.
• 44:07
  Right.
• 44:08
  Being
• 44:09
  up,
• 44:09
  you
• 44:09
  know,
• 44:10
  somebody
• 44:10
  who's
• 44:10
  too
• 44:10
  negative
• 44:11
  ain't
• 44:11
  gonna
• 44:11
  last
• 44:12
  long.
• 44:12
  True.
• 44:13
  You
• 44:13
  know,
• 44:13
  all
• 44:14
  those
• 44:14
  social
• 44:14
  skills
• 44:15
  that,
• 44:15
  that
• 44:15
  in
• 44:15
  what
• 44:16
  they
• 44:16
  call
• 44:16
  emotional
• 44:17
  intelligence,
• 44:17
  that
• 44:18
  you
• 44:18
  don't,
• 44:18
  you
• 44:18
  know.
• 44:19
  Right.
• 44:19
  Blow
• 44:19
  your
• 44:20
  top
• 44:20
  when
• 44:20
  something
• 44:20
  doesn't
• 44:21
  go
• 44:21
  your
• 44:21
  way
• 44:21
  and
• 44:21
  things
• 44:22
  like
• 44:22
  that.
• 44:22
  So.
• 44:23
  But
• 44:24
  I
• 44:24
  think
• 44:24
  persistence
• 44:24
  more
• 44:25
  than
• 44:25
  anything
• 44:25
  else
• 44:26
  is
• 44:27
  key.
• 44:29
  And
• 44:29
  do
• 44:29
  you
• 44:29
  think
• 44:29
  with.
• 44:30
  Given
• 44:30
  the
• 44:31
  way
• 44:31
  technology
• 44:32
  has
• 44:32
  taken
• 44:33
  over
• 44:33
  everything,
• 44:34
  do
• 44:34
  you
• 44:35
  worry
• 44:35
  that
• 44:37
  schools
• 44:38
  should
• 44:39
  hold
• 44:39
  off
• 44:39
  on
• 44:39
  adapting
• 44:40
  that
• 44:40
  into
• 44:40
  the
• 44:41
  curriculum?
• 44:41
  Or
• 44:42
  do
• 44:42
  you
• 44:42
  welcome
• 44:43
  technology
• 44:43
  and
• 44:43
  AI
• 44:44
  into
• 44:45
  your
• 44:46
  career?
• 44:47
  The
• 44:47
  schools,
• 44:48
  whatever
• 44:49
  teachings.
• 44:52
  You,
• 44:53
  you
• 44:53
  froze
• 44:54
  on.
• 44:54
  Can
• 44:54
  you,
• 44:55
  can
• 44:55
  you.
• 44:55
  My
• 44:56
  phone
• 44:56
  kept
• 44:56
  going
• 44:56
  on.
• 44:57
  Can
• 44:57
  you,
• 44:58
  can
• 44:58
  you
• 44:58
  repeat
• 44:58
  the
• 44:59
  question?
• 45:00
  Because
• 45:00
  he
• 45:01
  froze.
• 45:01
  Can
• 45:01
  you
• 45:01
  hear
• 45:01
  me?
• 45:02
  Some
• 45:02
  of
• 45:02
  it.
• 45:02
  I
• 45:02
  can
• 45:02
  hear
• 45:02
  you.
• 45:03
  Something
• 45:03
  like
• 45:03
  you're
• 45:03
  still
• 45:04
  frozen.
• 45:05
  Gone.
• 45:06
  You
• 45:06
  might
• 45:06
  have
• 45:06
  froze.
• 45:08
  Oh,
• 45:09
  we're
• 45:09
  back.
• 45:09
  Sorry.
• 45:10
  Am
• 45:11
  I
• 45:11
  frozen?
• 45:11
  Okay.
• 45:12
  Okay,
• 45:12
  there
• 45:12
  we
• 45:12
  go.
• 45:12
  We're
• 45:12
  back.
• 45:13
  I
• 45:14
  missed
• 45:14
  your
• 45:14
  question.
• 45:15
  Yeah,
• 45:15
  you
• 45:15
  got
• 45:15
  frozen
• 45:16
  there.
• 45:17
  Oh,
• 45:18
  that's
• 45:18
  okay.
• 45:18
  I,
• 45:19
  I
• 45:20
  was
• 45:20
  actually
• 45:20
  just
• 45:21
  mentioning,
• 45:21
  with
• 45:22
  AI
• 45:22
  and
• 45:22
  tech
• 45:23
  shaping
• 45:23
  music
• 45:23
  these
• 45:24
  days,
• 45:24
  like
• 45:24
  we
• 45:24
  talked
• 45:25
  about
• 45:25
  before,
• 45:26
  do
• 45:26
  you,
• 45:26
  do
• 45:27
  you
• 45:27
  worry
• 45:27
  that
• 45:27
  schools
• 45:28
  aren't
• 45:29
  adapting
• 45:30
  quick
• 45:30
  enough
• 45:30
  or
• 45:30
  they
• 45:31
  should
• 45:31
  hold
• 45:31
  off
• 45:31
  on
• 45:31
  adapting,
• 45:32
  you
• 45:32
  know,
• 45:33
  those
• 45:33
  types
• 45:33
  of
• 45:33
  things
• 45:33
  into
• 45:34
  their
• 45:34
  curriculum?
• 45:37
  I
• 45:37
  think
• 45:37
  you
• 45:37
  should
• 45:37
  adapt
• 45:38
  it
• 45:38
  now
• 45:38
  because
• 45:39
  it's
• 45:39
  the
• 45:39
  here
• 45:39
  and
• 45:39
  now.
• 45:40
  That's
• 45:40
  what
• 45:40
  attracts
• 45:41
  students.
• 45:42
  You
• 45:42
  know,
• 45:42
  universities
• 45:43
  are
• 45:43
  like
• 45:43
  a
• 45:43
  business.
• 45:44
  They
• 45:45
  have
• 45:45
  to
• 45:45
  attract
• 45:45
  students.
• 45:46
  Yeah.
• 45:46
  To
• 45:47
  pay
• 45:47
  tuition,
• 45:47
  to
• 45:48
  pay
• 45:48
  the
• 45:48
  bills.
• 45:49
  And
• 45:49
  so
• 45:49
  you
• 45:49
  got
• 45:49
  to
• 45:50
  give
• 45:50
  students
• 45:50
  what
• 45:50
  they
• 45:51
  want.
• 45:51
  And
• 45:51
  students,
• 45:53
  even
• 45:53
  if
• 45:53
  they
• 45:53
  don't
• 45:54
  end
• 45:54
  up
• 45:54
  in
• 45:54
  the
• 45:54
  music
• 45:54
  business,
• 45:55
  they
• 45:55
  still,
• 45:55
  during
• 45:55
  those
• 45:56
  teen
• 45:56
  years,
• 45:56
  latch
• 45:57
  on
• 45:57
  to
• 45:57
  music
• 45:58
  and
• 45:58
  music
• 45:58
  business
• 45:59
  sounds.
• 45:59
  Sounds
• 46:00
  like
• 46:00
  a
• 46:00
  good
• 46:00
  idea.
• 46:03
  Yeah.
• 46:03
  They,
• 46:03
  you
• 46:04
  know,
• 46:04
  if
• 46:04
  anything,
• 46:04
  they're
• 46:05
  behind
• 46:06
  because
• 46:07
  they're
• 46:07
  still
• 46:07
  in.
• 46:08
  Mostly
• 46:08
  they're
• 46:08
  still
• 46:08
  in
• 46:09
  music
• 46:09
  departments
• 46:10
  and
• 46:10
  they're
• 46:10
  aiming
• 46:11
  at
• 46:11
  musicians.
• 46:12
  And
• 46:12
  by
• 46:12
  the
• 46:12
  way,
• 46:12
  when
• 46:13
  you
• 46:13
  go
• 46:13
  out,
• 46:14
  you
• 46:14
  need
• 46:14
  to
• 46:14
  know
• 46:14
  about
• 46:15
  union
• 46:15
  scale
• 46:15
  and
• 46:17
  to
• 46:17
  know
• 46:17
  those
• 46:17
  things.
• 46:19
  So.
• 46:20
  Yeah.
• 46:20
  And,
• 46:20
  you
• 46:20
  know,
• 46:22
  the
• 46:22
  other
• 46:22
  thing
• 46:22
  is
• 46:23
  that
• 46:23
  the
• 46:23
  hardest
• 46:23
  things
• 46:24
  to
• 46:24
  teach
• 46:25
  are
• 46:25
  the
• 46:25
  things
• 46:25
  they
• 46:26
  need
• 46:26
  most.
• 46:26
  Like,
• 46:27
  how
• 46:27
  do
• 46:27
  you
• 46:27
  teach
• 46:27
  persistence,
• 46:28
  how
• 46:28
  do
• 46:28
  you
• 46:28
  teach,
• 46:29
  you
• 46:29
  know,
• 46:30
  the
• 46:30
  social
• 46:30
  skills,
• 46:31
  how
• 46:31
  do
• 46:31
  you
• 46:31
  teach
• 46:31
  those.
• 46:32
  That
• 46:32
  emotional
• 46:33
  stability,
• 46:35
  how
• 46:35
  do
• 46:35
  you
• 46:35
  teach
• 46:36
  that?
• 46:36
  So,
• 46:36
  you
• 46:36
  know,
• 46:37
  somebody
• 46:37
  just
• 46:37
  has
• 46:38
  to
• 46:38
  get
• 46:38
  it.
• 46:40
  That's
• 46:40
  true.
• 46:41
  Yeah.
• 46:41
  Yeah.
• 46:42
  As
• 46:42
  far
• 46:42
  as
• 46:42
  the
• 46:42
  future
• 46:44
  with
• 46:44
  these
• 46:44
  students,
• 46:45
  I
• 46:45
  don't
• 46:45
  have
• 46:46
  any
• 46:46
  problem
• 46:46
  at
• 46:46
  all.
• 46:47
  You
• 46:47
  know,
• 46:48
  I
• 46:48
  have
• 46:48
  a
• 46:49
  ongoing
• 46:50
  philosophy.
• 46:51
  Everybody's
• 46:51
  smarter
• 46:51
  than
• 46:52
  I
• 46:52
  am
• 46:53
  and
• 46:53
  they
• 46:53
  are
• 46:54
  in
• 46:54
  something.
• 46:55
  They
• 46:55
  can
• 46:55
  do
• 46:55
  stuff
• 46:55
  I
• 46:56
  can't
• 46:56
  do.
• 46:56
  They
• 46:56
  know
• 46:57
  stuff
• 46:57
  I
• 46:57
  don't
• 46:57
  know.
• 46:58
  And
• 46:58
  you
• 46:58
  look
• 46:58
  at
• 46:58
  these
• 46:59
  young
• 46:59
  people
• 46:59
  coming
• 46:59
  in
• 47:00
  today,
• 47:00
  and
• 47:00
  I
• 47:00
  know
• 47:01
  it's,
• 47:01
  you
• 47:01
  know,
• 47:02
  I'm
• 47:02
  around
• 47:03
  old
• 47:03
  people
• 47:04
  and
• 47:04
  there's
• 47:04
  all
• 47:05
  these
• 47:05
  young
• 47:05
  kids,
• 47:06
  they
• 47:06
  can't
• 47:06
  do
• 47:06
  anything
• 47:07
  and
• 47:07
  they
• 47:07
  don't
• 47:07
  know
• 47:08
  this
• 47:08
  and
• 47:08
  they
• 47:08
  don't
• 47:08
  know
• 47:09
  that.
• 47:10
  They
• 47:10
  might
• 47:11
  not
• 47:11
  know
• 47:11
  an
• 47:11
  act
• 47:12
  from
• 47:12
  the
• 47:12
  1950s
• 47:13
  or
• 47:13
  the
• 47:13
  60s
• 47:14
  or
• 47:15
  something
• 47:15
  like
• 47:15
  that,
• 47:16
  but
• 47:16
  they,
• 47:17
  they're
• 47:17
  sharp.
• 47:18
  They're
• 47:18
  very
• 47:19
  sharp.
• 47:19
  Yeah.
• 47:20
  They
• 47:20
  should
• 47:21
  be
• 47:21
  a
• 47:21
  little
• 47:21
  more
• 47:21
  literate
• 47:22
  because
• 47:22
  I
• 47:23
  don't
• 47:23
  think
• 47:23
  they
• 47:23
  have
• 47:23
  as
• 47:24
  much
• 47:24
  depth
• 47:24
  because
• 47:24
  they
• 47:25
  don't
• 47:25
  read
• 47:25
  as
• 47:25
  much.
• 47:26
  But.
• 47:28
  But
• 47:28
  I
• 47:28
  have.
• 47:28
  I
• 47:29
  have
• 47:29
  no
• 47:29
  problems
• 47:29
  with
• 47:30
  that.
• 47:30
  They're
• 47:30
  going
• 47:30
  to
• 47:30
  do
• 47:30
  just
• 47:31
  fine.
• 47:33
  Yeah.
• 47:33
  Well,
• 47:34
  if
• 47:34
  they
• 47:34
  need
• 47:34
  something
• 47:34
  to
• 47:35
  read,
• 47:35
  there's
• 47:35
  no
• 47:35
  shortage
• 47:36
  of
• 47:37
  material
• 47:37
  that
• 47:38
  you've
• 47:38
  put
• 47:38
  out,
• 47:38
  so
• 47:38
  maybe
• 47:39
  just
• 47:39
  start
• 47:39
  there
• 47:39
  if
• 47:39
  you're
• 47:40
  listening.
• 47:42
  It's
• 47:43
  actually.
• 47:43
  It's
• 47:43
  been
• 47:43
  amazing
• 47:44
  chatting
• 47:44
  with
• 47:44
  you.
• 47:44
  I
• 47:44
  actually
• 47:45
  hope
• 47:45
  that
• 47:45
  we
• 47:45
  can
• 47:45
  have
• 47:45
  you
• 47:46
  again
• 47:46
  and
• 47:46
  go
• 47:46
  a
• 47:46
  little
• 47:47
  deeper
• 47:47
  on
• 47:47
  some
• 47:47
  specific
• 47:48
  areas.
• 47:50
  Yeah.
• 47:50
  Thank
• 47:51
  you
• 47:51
  so
• 47:51
  much
• 47:51
  for
• 47:51
  your
• 47:51
  time.
• 47:52
  Really.
• 47:53
  Well,
• 47:53
  thank
• 47:53
  you,
• 47:54
  guys.
• 47:55
  Yeah,
• 47:55
  no,
• 47:56
  it's.
• 47:56
  Thank
• 47:56
  you.
• 47:57
  If
• 47:57
  we
• 47:57
  could
• 47:58
  ask
• 47:58
  you
• 47:58
  one
• 47:58
  more
• 47:58
  thing.
• 47:59
  Yeah.
• 47:59
  What's
• 48:00
  next?
• 48:00
  Like,
• 48:00
  I
• 48:00
  know
• 48:01
  you
• 48:01
  have
• 48:01
  the
• 48:01
  book
• 48:01
  coming
• 48:01
  up,
• 48:02
  but
• 48:02
  what
• 48:02
  are
• 48:02
  some
• 48:02
  of
• 48:02
  your
• 48:03
  future
• 48:03
  plans?
• 48:03
  Anything
• 48:04
  you
• 48:04
  could
• 48:04
  share
• 48:04
  with
• 48:04
  us,
• 48:05
  what
• 48:05
  we
• 48:05
  can
• 48:05
  look
• 48:06
  out
• 48:06
  for?
• 48:07
  Well,
• 48:07
  I
• 48:08
  have
• 48:08
  the,
• 48:08
  The.
• 48:09
  The
• 48:10
  Chet
• 48:10
  Atkins
• 48:11
  book,
• 48:11
  and
• 48:11
  then
• 48:11
  I've
• 48:12
  got
• 48:12
  a
• 48:12
  book
• 48:12
  on
• 48:12
  Bob
• 48:13
  Dylan
• 48:13
  and
• 48:13
  country
• 48:14
  music
• 48:15
  coming
• 48:15
  out.
• 48:16
  I
• 48:16
  don't
• 48:16
  know
• 48:16
  when
• 48:16
  that's
• 48:17
  coming
• 48:17
  out.
• 48:18
  And
• 48:18
  I've
• 48:18
  been
• 48:18
  working
• 48:19
  on
• 48:19
  some
• 48:19
  musicals.
• 48:20
  Musical
• 48:21
  on
• 48:21
  Mini
• 48:21
  Pearl
• 48:22
  and
• 48:23
  then
• 48:23
  a
• 48:23
  musical
• 48:24
  on.
• 48:25
  It
• 48:25
  was
• 48:25
  kind
• 48:25
  of
• 48:26
  like
• 48:26
  set
• 48:26
  in
• 48:26
  the
• 48:26
  1940s.
• 48:28
  That
• 48:28
  pot
• 48:29
  type
• 48:29
  sound.
• 48:30
  For
• 48:30
  the.
• 48:30
  That
• 48:31
  we've
• 48:31
  kind
• 48:31
  of
• 48:31
  lost
• 48:32
  along
• 48:32
  the
• 48:32
  way.
• 48:32
  I
• 48:33
  had
• 48:33
  a
• 48:33
  student
• 48:33
  say,
• 48:33
  I
• 48:33
  just
• 48:34
  heard
• 48:34
  something
• 48:34
  that
• 48:35
  was
• 48:35
  so
• 48:36
  beautiful
• 48:36
  and
• 48:37
  names
• 48:37
  something
• 48:38
  from
• 48:38
  the
• 48:38
  1940s.
• 48:39
  And
• 48:39
  I'm
• 48:39
  thinking,
• 48:40
  you
• 48:40
  know,
• 48:40
  this
• 48:40
  generation
• 48:41
  has
• 48:41
  lost
• 48:41
  that.
• 48:42
  They
• 48:42
  don't.
• 48:42
  Yeah.
• 48:43
  They
• 48:43
  don't
• 48:43
  hear
• 48:43
  that
• 48:44
  at
• 48:44
  all.
• 48:45
  There's
• 48:45
  something
• 48:46
  there.
• 48:47
  You
• 48:47
  see.
• 48:48
  Beautiful.
• 48:49
  That's
• 48:49
  really
• 48:49
  cool.
• 48:49
  Look
• 48:50
  out
• 48:50
  for
• 48:50
  that.
• 48:50
  And
• 48:51
  next
• 48:51
  time,
• 48:51
  we'll
• 48:51
  talk
• 48:52
  a
• 48:52
  little
• 48:52
  bit
• 48:52
  more
• 48:52
  about
• 48:52
  the
• 48:52
  musicals.
• 48:53
  And
• 48:53
  I
• 48:54
  know
• 48:54
  Doriki's
• 48:54
  eyes
• 48:55
  lit
• 48:55
  up
• 48:55
  in
• 48:55
  little
• 48:55
  bit
• 48:55
  there.
• 48:56
  You
• 48:56
  are
• 48:57
  a
• 48:57
  buff.
• 48:59
  No.
• 49:00
  Thank
• 49:00
  you
• 49:00
  so
• 49:01
  much.
• 49:01
  This
• 49:01
  has
• 49:01
  been
• 49:01
  appreciate.
• 49:02
  Great.
• 49:03
  All
• 49:03
  right.
• 49:04
  Hope
• 49:04
  you
• 49:04
  all
• 49:04
  have
• 49:05
  a
• 49:05
  wonderful
• 49:05
  day.
• 49:07
  Yeah,
• 49:07
  thanks.
• 49:08
  You,
• 49:08
  too,
• 49:08
  as
• 49:08
  well.
• 49:09
  Take
• 49:09
  care.
• 49:09
  Until
• 49:10
  next
• 49:10
  time,
• 49:10
  everybody.
• 49:11
  God
• 49:11
  bless.