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Big Ten Suspends Jim Harbaugh For 3 Games, Including Ohio State · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning for Saturday No. Number eleventh. I'm your host,
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tom Or. The Michigan State game is today, the game against Michigan
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in fourteen days. Will Jim Harball be there for the game against Michigan in
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fourteen days? Well that's an interesting question, isn't it. Late Friday afternoon,
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the Big Ten announced a three game suspension for Jim Harbaugh, the Penn
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State game, the Maryland game, and yes, the game against Ohio State.
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Michigan immediately announced that it planned to appeal look for an emergency injunction.
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So here's the funny thing. Tony Gerderman and I were in the middle of
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a live show when that news finally did drop. Were recording an episode of
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Buckeye Weekly. So here's what we're doing on for this morning show. You're
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going to just pick up that live show right when that news broke so you
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can get sort of some immediate reaction, some statements from the Big Ten justifying
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the suspension, the Michigan response, some super chats, some interesting comments from
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some of our viewers, and much much more. So that is going to
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be today's morning show. It is a little uncharacteristic but this is a little
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bit of an uncharacteristic, a little bit of a weird situation. So here
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you go. Here is the news of these three game suspension issued to Michigan
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head coach Jim Harbaugh speaking of things that we're going to be looking into Tony.
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Tweet from Pete Thammil, thank you to the folks in the in the
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chat for bringing this to our attention. Tony, we have some actual,
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honesty, goodness breaking news. I'm gonna have to change the podcast alert a
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level to read because this feels significant. From Pete Thammil sources, the Big
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Ten is expected to discipline Michigan for the in for the in the in person
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scouting Pete needs an editor and ongoing sign stealing investigation, and will prohibit Jim
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Harball from being on the sideline until the clusion conclusion of the regular season.
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He will be allowed to coach during the week. So that from Pete Thamil
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of ESPN that you know, the idea of just a fine got floated on
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Wednesday night. The idea of a three game suspension which would align with this,
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got floated earlier in the day. I mean, I guess I have
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always thought that the just during the game suspension is not really that much of
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a suspension for a head coach, that's I mean. And this is not
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me saying like insufficient penalty. This is just me saying like in general,
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that does not that never strikes me as particularly like egregious penalty to get dumped
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on you because most of your coaching gets done during the week. During the
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game, I mean, you have you're managing the clock and that kind of
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stuff. You have offensive coordinats, you get defensive coordinator if you're making some
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head you know, high level decisions. But they just spent three games doing
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this, So I don't you know, this is not this is gonna get
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you know, pounded as like this is the most draconian thing ever that the
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Big Ten has ever done, you know, I mean whatever. And I
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have reached the point where people were yelling and screaming about a you know,
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fine only on Thursday night. It was like, yeah, I mean whatever,
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if that's what they feel the evidence means, then that's what the evidence
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means. This this feels like, okay, you know, this is this
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is not like wildly out of line with what I was thinking they might get.
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It is beyond the two games, it would be beyond the two games
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that we've talked about that Tony Petiti can hand down, which once we saw
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Michigan getting their elbows out and getting ready to fight back with all of the
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the letters and the media throng from the Michigan side in terms of getting out
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what they wanted, we kind of figured it it felt like more than two
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games at that point. I'm you know, yeah, whether or not this
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is harsh enough or not, we know that Michigan has gone three and other
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season already when Jim Harper wasn't on the sidelines. Now, that was non
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conference very easy. The opponents to face, obviously Penn State, Maryland and
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Ohio State would be much different. But I'm with you, and we talked
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to Ryan Day and they talk about how all of the work it's done during
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the week. That's when all of the play calling is essentially done during the
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week. Things like that, the game planning and so a head coach is
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making fourth down decisions, you know, now let's go for it, now,
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let's punt, let's you know, things like that, the coordinators are
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making the call. I feel like a and I've been saying I think most
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of the day, and maybe before that, a more a more powerful or
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perhaps a more strict punishment would have been. I think the coordinators being suspended
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for three games, because then you have to scramble a little bit and figure
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out how you're going to handle this. They've already they've already been without Jim
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Harbaugh. They know how to handle that. So this to me is it's
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you know, it's not earth shattering, and that The interesting parts to me
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is that it goes beyond the two games, and so this is going to
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create a fight. What is what is Michigan's response the injunction that that whole
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thing, they're a legal response, What does that entail? And how quickly
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does that get filed? How quickly does this all get processed? And is
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see on the sideline tomorrow while they wait for a judge of some sort and
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then all that legal stuff can how quickly can that be done? Well?
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I would assume that they have basically I would assume that the attorneys for Michigan
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and or Jim Harbaugh and or both have basically been in the same three point
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stance that you and I have been in all day long waiting for the shooting.
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You know, wait for the gun to go off and then boom,
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you're out of the blocks and you're going if someone was like sitting in the
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you know, cafeteria of the whatever courthouse, they're going to file this in
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all day long, that would not surprise me at all. It is just
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you know, I mean, I am expecting to see news of a news
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of some kind of an injunction filed within the next fifteen to thirty minutes,
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and then you know, after that, it's a little bit up in the
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air. Because Pete Hamill did reporting earlier in the day where he talked to
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a retired chief justice from the courthouse where you know, he thought this might
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get filed, and that was in the something Washingtonawk County Court Circuit Court in
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ann Arbor, So and he talked to a retired chief justice from there and
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sort of walked through, you know what this would all be, what list
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might all look like, and you know, the arguments that Michigan might lay
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out and the arguments that the Big Ten might lay out, and you know
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where this might all kind of end up. And I posted that I thought
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that was very interesting. And then Ross Fulton, who is our ex's and
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o's guru on bucke huddle dot com but who was also a lawyer by a
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profession, said he thought, this is you know, that was kind of
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all maybe irrelevant because this is all going to end up in federal court anyway.
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And I don't know if that's end up in federal court immediately, like
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it would have to go in federal court, or it would start in you
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know, some kind of a local circuit court and then get bumped to you
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know, the Big ten would take it to a federal court. Ultimately.
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I can't imagine. I mean, this is the courthouse is I think closed
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today because of the Veterans Day holiday. I believe I saw that. So
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then the question is you know that you can you can always find a judge,
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right, this is you can get anyone who's watched any law and order
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Tony uh knows you can find a judge in the middle of the night,
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you know, on the weekend whatever. They hate to be interrupted on the
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golf course, Tony. But you can always find a judge. So you
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know, they go find a judge, you presumably present this your emergency injunction
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to them, and then the question is, you know, does it get
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granted if it gets granted, I assume then that probably means I doubt they're
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going to have an emergency hearing on a Friday night. I mean, it's
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three forty one pm Eastern right now. I doubt you could get people together
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for that kind of a hearing on a Friday. So I would assume an
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emergency injunction means he's probably coaching against Penn State, assuming the emergency injunction is
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granted. But this is me stacking many many assumptions very tall, and I'm
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not sure how much that stack is teetering. Back to the Greg Doyle thing
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that was may have been a confusion there. Dennis Dodd wrote something twenty eight
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minutes ago saying that the source tells CBS Sports that they're putting the sign stealing
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investigation on a very fast timeline by the NCAA. So there is five six
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more weeks in the fall. So I don't know how that's all going to
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work. Because you get the notice of allegations, then Michigan has like ninety
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days to respond, and then the NCAA has like sixty days to deal with
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that response. So I don't I don't know how you smash all of that
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together, but maybe maybe the investigation is what is being sped up. And
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I don't know how how much you can speed up the response time that you
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have put in the rule books, right you can't. You're not going to
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if it is like laid out there that this is ninety days. I can't
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imagine the NCAA is going to try and expedite that and leave themselves open to
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more litigation potentially. I mean, you're going to probably see a lot of
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the same arguments that Michigan, that the Michigan folks made against the Big Ten
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case if you try and do that. And you know this, the reason
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that the Big ten is acting right now is because the NCAA can't act by
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rule. So I just you know, I'm sure that the case from the
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NCAA will get fast tracked. It certainly means that, but it you know,
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and as Mike Freno says, presumably they just mean the time to the
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notice of allegations that that you know, you could you could get fast tracked
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to the point where you have a notice of allegations this fall. Sure,
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I could potentially buy that, but then you got to wait to ninety days.
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So that's you know, so there just isn't a way to you know,
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have the NCAA, you know, right right in and solve the problem
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for everyone this fall. That's that's just not a realistic timeline based on the
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bylaws that the nc double A has. So that's why the Big Ten is
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stepping in and doing this sort of you know, intermediate thing. And I
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think there is maybe some confusion that I think I saw someone earlier saying that's
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it and this is not necessarily uh, not necessarily it, because there's a
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whole separate thing. Uh, there's a whole separate Uh hang on, all
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right, Kevin, wave at me when you're ready to jump jump on.
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Oh, Kevin's ready to jump on all right. Sorry, Hi, there's
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Kevin. Hi, Kevin, Kevin. We were just talking about the fact
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that I think there's some people confused about the fact that, you know,
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this from the Big Ten, which is not official yet, but Pete THEMMIL
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reporting that it's going to be a remainder of the regular season next three games
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kind of situation where Jim Harbor would be suspended just for the games, not
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for the week. I think there's some confusion that that's separate from whatever is
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going to happen with the you know, the COVID visitation issues that had that
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they had that Michigan self imposed a three games suspension fourth beginning of the season.
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It's also separate from the NC DOUAA investigation into this, into the Connor
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Stallion's signs, stealing whatever else it ends up being. Those are separate issues.
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Those are separate things. So you know, the Big Ten putting three
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games on Jim Harball right now with this that does end up being a correct
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report. That does not That is not the end of the issue. That
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does not mean that other coaches the program might not get probation, might not
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have wins vacated, might not have show causes, whatever it is. That's
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a whole separate thing that's still to come. This is just a short term,
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temporary, immediate sort of situation. Yeah, but this shows that they
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went to the jag because it's over two games, and this is what they
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came up with. This is what they came up with. And I understand
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and I read a report right before getting on air with you guys, that
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the NC TWOA is looking to fast track it's investigation. What is an NC
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two A fast track twelve months, eighteen months, I mean, yeah,
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maybe they maybe they could turn something pretty quick. I'm sorry, I'm at
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a hotel lobby and tiny little tables here. I think that it was a
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case of trying to make everybody happy and making nobody happy. Does Michigan sit
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there and think it got away with something and not bother to go for a
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temporary restraining order, an injunction or anything along those lines, because I don't
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know if I want to open up Discovery and this is a case of Okay,
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well you can't coach the games, but you can do everything else,
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which is akin to what happened with you know, his self imposed deal over
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the Hamburgers when urban Meyer had his suspension, wasn't he out for you know,
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for the entirety he couldn't be at the facility. I just I don't
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know. I mean, you know, we don't have anything official at this
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point, but it sure it sure feels pretty light to me. We've got
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a couple of super chats I want to punch up real quick here diego as
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chances of roping Ross into one of these to talk about the legal side,
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I'd love to hear from an attorney about issues like personal jurisdiction. I can
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ask Ross's not on our time zone and maybe doing his actual job right now,
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so we can I can check into that. He has been sharing some
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insights on the huddle board presented by Jeff Ruby Steakhouse at Buckey huddle dot com.
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He has been in that thread quite a bit answering question. So that
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is a great place to get insight from Ross because I'm guessing we will not
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be able to get him on this show, especially right now. Super chat
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from Stephen oglesby Jim is screaming no, no, no, I can't hear
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you, so it's holding up the process. Now he is on an airplane
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right now. The fun question is, so is their WiFi on the airplane,
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because you know, sometimes the WiFi doesn't work. So is this going
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to be like the what was it? Has Justine landed yet whole kerfluffle about
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ten years ago where a lady sent a tweet that people decided was extremely offensive
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and then by the time she landed in some other continent it had blown up
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and she was like the top training topic in the world. I'm guessing Jim
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Harball probably has a better sense that he's you know, a topic of conversation
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today. Epper right, there is not real that's a separate that's a separate
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plane conversation. I'm going to guess. I'm going to guess that there is
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a Wi Fi on the plane. And it is also not a very long
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flight from Ann Arbor to State colle It's probably like a forty five minute hour
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long flight something like that. So if anyone wants to throw the if anyone
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wants to throw the tail number in the chat, we can track the plane.
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We can do a good old fashioned college football airplane tracking. I was
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gonna say, the other question is is their Wi Fi in Happy Valley in
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State College? Sometimes in the chat that maybe the Big Ten just tweeted something,
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but I don't know. There are a lot of fake things. I'm
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looking right now. Okay, well, while you look for that, I'm
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going to read the super chat from Mike Freno. I really struggle to understand
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why this was blown up so big by Michigan. Three game game only suspension
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hardly seems enough to harm relationships with everyone. Now, I guess the question
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is did Michigan's rebuttal change what the Big Ten was going to do? Here?
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Was the Big Ten going to Levy a level, a more serious punishment,
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and then this is sort of dialed back in respect of, hey,
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here's what they said, and here's what the you know they Hey, you
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kind of had a point on this one, but not on this one.
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We don't know, because there's been this the rumored punishment has been all over
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the place, from justifying to suspended indefinitely, to suspended for two games,
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suspended for you know, the rest of the regular season, just you know,
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fine, five million dollars whatever. It has been all over the map,
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and this feels like kind of right in the middle of what they had
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talked about. So I'm not like, I look at this and I think
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exactly what Tony said, which is you obviously had to go to the Jake
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K, the Joint Group Executive Committee or whatever it is to get this run,
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to get this approved. So obviously this was not just Tony Pettiti doing
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you know, we wagging his finger and doing this on his own. This
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was a bunch of Big Ten leadership had to approve this as well, because
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it's a more than two game suspension. So from that perspective, it feels
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substantive. From the perspective of actual on field impact, I don't think it's
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huge, but it also means he has now, assuming this goes through and
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there's no you know, there's no injunction or anything like that, he will
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have missed literally half of the regular season for in game suspensions for two separate
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violations, which I mean, you know, we always have the legacy conversation
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with players and stuff. If you have two separate suspensions and you've missed half
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of a season for two separate suspensions, Potentially, if this is where this
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all, you know, if this is what ends up being the case,
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that feels like that becomes a little bit of a legacy thing. It's a
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lot of a legacy thing. I don't know how many coaches would be able
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to withstand getting two suspensions in a season and not lose their job, let
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alone have a coach whither you're trying to extend, who is also trying to
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head to the NFL every single year. This is very This is a very
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damaged relationship. That is beyond but the first paragraph from the Big Ten,
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they did release a statement, The Big Ten Conference announces violation of sportsmanship policy
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by University of Michigan football program. The first paragraph from the release is the
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Big Ten Conference announced today that the University of Michigan has been found in violation
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of the Big Ten Sportsmanship Policy for conducting an impermissible in person scouting a operation
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over multiple years, resulting in an unfair competitive advantage that compromised the integrity of
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competition. That's very strong. That's so strong that when you see those words
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followed by that coach can't be on the sidelines for the next three games,
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You're like, this doesn't seem to follow. But you've said, you're saying
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it's an unfair competitive advantage for years. I don't know, is it one
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game per year that that he's being punished here for Well, again, it's
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not. This is not the final punishment. Yeah, this is, I
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mean, and I feel like we need to reiterate that because I have had
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a couple I thought that was pretty clear, but apparently there were there were
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a couple of people that asked me about that who recently, like in the
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last day, so maybe that's hasn't been clear. This is not the final
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punishment on this. This is just here's what the Big Ten feels is needed
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to do now. And then the NC double A will take its time and
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do more when the NC DOUAA gets a chance to do that. And it
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sounds like that's being fast tracked, but that's you know, fast tracked for
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the NC double A is not immediate. That's that's going to take a little
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time. So I, you know, this this to me as an interim
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thing, I don't really have an issue with this. I really kind of
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had figured out that this was going to go wherever it was going to go,
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and I was going to probably be okay by and large with whatever it
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was, because there's just there's only so much they can do in the middle
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of the season, and so you know, you're not you are there was
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there were you know, people floating me idea and sorry for me acting like
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I can't talk. Here's the Here's had to throw together a quick slide with
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the Big Ten statements so you can all read it. It is the Big
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Ten Conference. As Tony Sad announced today, the University Michigan has been found
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in violation of the Big Ten Sportsmanship Policy for conducting it impermissible in person scouting
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operation over multiple years, resulting in an unfair competitive advantage that compromised compromise the
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integrity of competition. I need to stop doing two things at once, is
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my big takeaway here. Big Ten Conference Agreement ten at point zero point one
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states in part that the Big Ten Conference express all contests involving a member institution
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to be conducted without compromise to any fundamental element of sportsmanship. Such fundamental elements
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include integrity of the competition, civility towards all and respect, particularly toward opponents
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and officials, and as penalty imposed on the institution, the university football team
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must compete without its head football coach for the games remaining in the twenty twenty
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three regular season, effective immediately. That this disciplinary action shall not preclude the
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university or with a football team from having its head football coach at ten practices
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or other football team activities other than the game activities to which it applies.
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For clarity, the head football coach shall not be present at the game venue
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on the dates of the games to which this disciplinary action applies. The Big
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Ten Conference will have no additional comment at this time. So there it is.
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That is the entirety of the Big Ten statement on this. I don't
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know. I look at the I look at the options that they had available
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this. This feels okay to me, This feels reasonable to me. I
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don't think it's going to have an enormous impact, but I think there was
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sort of an expectation built up that either you know, the Michigan people had
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the expectation built up that nothing was going to happen. This was all nonsense.
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This was all just lies from you know, the lies from the haters.
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And they were people on the other side who were sure that the Michigan
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was going to like not be allowed to finish playing in this season. And
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I don't think either of those were realistic. This is probably a little bit
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of a split the baby kind of thing. I mean, no, do
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you disagree, I'll Kevin go real quick. I'm gonna say this is a
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punishment without much of an impact, and I think that's just splitting the baby
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thing. Yeah. I mean again, as I said when I first sat
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down, if you're going to the JAX to go over and above and this
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is what you come up with, I just this is this is completely toothless.
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I mean, you may as well have just done nothing at this point
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and just kick the can down the road to to the n C two A.
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I mean if anything, this is just probably going to galvanize Michigan about
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with their Michigan against versus everybody, or Michigan versus the rules, or whatever
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whatever it is that you want to want to say at that point, if
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you wanted this suspension to have a little bit to it, then you have
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to suspend them out for the for the entire three weeks. You know,
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no game preps, none of that. There was a lot of talk of
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what about what about the what about the coordinators? They certainly seem to be
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involved in talking to Connor Stallions and if this is about Connor Stallions, and
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this isn't necessarily about the rumors of footage on servers and other things out there
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that I mean people were talking about in the chat that they were talking about
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it in ninety seven to one, So it's not necessarily a well well guarded
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secret that there are certainly allegations out there about some items of that nature.
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It just it seems like a lot. It seems like a lot of farting
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around for no real results. I want to read a tweet from Jordanstrak,
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who is a Toledo based media media person, was on TV there and then
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also does mud hen stuff and hockey stuff, and he's a Michigan fan and
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we get along. And I'm not ripping him. I'm just reading this to
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give you a perspective of a Michigan fan. This was he's quote tweeting the
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Pete theamilll tweet from like ten minutes ago. This is a punishment that makes
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everyone happy right there. I don't think that's true. Jim Harball gets the
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game plan all week, coordinators do their thing during the games. Michigan has
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a chip on their shoulder. Honestly feels like a win win, Let's move
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on. And I think this is it's definitely galvanizing. I'm not sure punishments
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are supposed to be galvanizing, but this one is. But like I said,
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it's a punishment with I think this is Tony Petiti trying to You don't
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want to cost one of your teams a playoff shot, but you want to
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show like, hey, what you've done is wrong. And so what we're
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doing right now suspending Jim Harball. But the thing is there are still investigations
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coming. This is not the end of it. This is not Michigan imposing
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the penalty like they did previously. To try to show like, hey,
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we're sorry about this, even though Jim Harball didn't seem to be sorry about
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it. So you're trying to get some good thoughts going from the NCAA on
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the previous thing, and this one is completely different at this point. Now,
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until we see the notice of allegations and things like that, Michigan's response
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to it, because right now, Michigan's response hasn't really been we didn't do
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it. It's just hey, we we want the NCAA, the dear NCAAA
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to get involved. And so I don't know that the nca will look at
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this and be like, okay, time served. In terms of what else
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needs to happen. This isn't just going to be a head coach punishment.
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Once this is all said and done, this is going to be well beyond
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that. I mean the fact that the Big ten. I don't even know
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that we need to say alleged anymore because some different things have been alleged and
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have not been proven. But when a big ten comes out and says you've
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had a competitive advantage for multiple years, that's a fact. And now we
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wait for the the the real punishment. This is just a now thing.
25:49
This is like go to the corner. Now we're going to talk about this
25:53
is this is throwing your dog like a biscuit before dinner, Like, okay,
25:57
go eat this. Take take five minutes. Go eat this, and
26:00
then when I'm done with my work, then we'll then we'll feed you your
26:03
dinner. That it's this isn't a mouse boosh of a penalty. Uh.
26:08
And you know we'll see it well, we'll see where We'll see where it
26:11
goes from there. Uh. The the ms Wilson one two three, thank
26:15
you for the super chat flaming Elmo gift from the SEC. Thank you for
26:18
your coverage. The flight number is d A L eight nine seven, which
26:22
I just pulled that up on flight tracker. That plane landed five minutes ago
26:26
in State College, Pennsylvania, coming from Detroit. So yes, that probably
26:32
is very likely the uh correct airplane going from the correct airport to the correct
26:36
airport. So I would say very very likely, Yes, that was the
26:38
correct tail number UH and Michigan should be on the ground now in State College.
26:44
We'll see what kind of coverage comes out of State College. Kind of
26:47
wish we were there because we've done we've done a bunch of team arrival videos.
26:49
Boy, this would be a consequential one be the bet The interview with
26:55
Jim Harball from the ground is h has some some interest gonna watch the game
27:00
Chili's or Applebee's because he can't be at Beaver Stadium. State College is kind
27:06
of limited in its options. I would have said hosses, but I don't
27:08
think there's a TV there, so I mean maybe he gets a three for
27:12
me from that Chili's or Applebee's. I don't know. It's it will be
27:18
interesting to see the whoever the acting head coach is talk about this and no,
27:22
I can't say anything, but also I don't know how often the assistants
27:26
do talking for for Michigan, but they're gonna have to say something, and
27:30
it's it'll be you know. I can't comment, but I'm just interested to
27:33
see who that is is. Will they go with the most experienced, first
27:40
time second time interim weekly head coach Roan Moore would be the guy, even
27:45
though he's certainly in the crosshairs of the stallion scandal, But I would I
27:49
would assume that it would be more. That would be my guess as well,
27:52
because I think the three games he served earlier in the year. It
27:56
was Mentor for one more Jesse Mentor that he defensive coordinator for one correct,
28:00
Yeah, Sharon Moore the offensive coordinator after he served his own suspension. Then
28:04
he got to serve as the interim head coach for a game, and then
28:07
Mike Hart and Jay Harbaugh each got half of a game that was I think
28:11
UNLV for the third game, so they have had guys serve as head coaches
28:18
obviously, you know Sharon Moore or the second game was what Bowling Green maybe,
28:22
so you know, this will be a little bit higher profile game,
28:26
higher stakes game, but you know they have had guys serve as head coaches
28:32
before. Super Chat from Austin Frank seems like they just want Michigan to lose
28:36
a game so they don't have to intervene too heavy handedly. If they lose,
28:38
the problem takes care of itself. I mean, I am sure that
28:42
that is a sentiment that has been felt around. You know, would the
28:47
College Football Playoff be absolutely devastated if Michigan dumped this game in Happy Valley tomorrow
28:52
and then they could kind of go, well, I mean, you didn't
28:55
play a very good out of conference schedule and you lost a game, and
28:57
you know, with the tiebreaker not going to go your way even if you
29:00
beat Ohio State. Yeah, I mean, too bad, so sad.
29:04
But we'd love to invite you to our playoff, but sorry, we're out
29:07
of spots. Yeah, and I think there's also is there a super chat
29:11
about that very thing about the college football playoff? And yeah, and so
29:15
we can just tie into that from Mike Farino. Does the CFP take us
29:18
into account now that there's an official stance that cheating took place, or with
29:22
Michigan still eligible, do they not care? The interesting they will not care
29:26
at this point because they are eligible. However, it is interesting that the
29:30
Big Ten has said now that Michigan has been operating at a competitive advantage and
29:37
that stopped roughly two games ago. At this point, so I do wonder
29:42
if there will be some of that at least now will they talk because they're
29:47
not even talking about this in the committee. They don't even talk about the
29:49
Michigan allegations. Now that these are no longer allegations and there's a punishment handed
29:55
down, I think they will talk about it, but I don't think it's
29:57
going to change Michigan's eligibility. I do wonder if maybe it would change their
30:03
thoughts on Michigan because of the advantage. However, the advantage that they've had
30:07
is against teams they already had an advantage over, So I don't think it's
30:12
materially going to change, but I am interested to see what they actually have
30:17
to say about it, because that's just one of the things we had to
30:19
find out each week. Hey are you thinking about this yet? And I
30:22
think everybody Big ten, the committee that this CFP would would not be broken
30:29
hearted by a Michigan loss. The CFP or Michigan or the Big Ten.
30:34
Rather sorry, if Michigan were to lose, there are they essentially out of
30:41
it now as long as Penn State wins out then for the Big Ten championship.
30:47
But as we know, you don't need to win to Big Ten to
30:49
make the playoffs. However, what you do need is a strong non conference
30:52
win, and Michigan wouldn't have that. Well, Michigan would probably threaten the
30:57
soup in State for beating them or something like that, because we've heard all
31:02
this saber rattling and Tom mars is talking on one side, and then the
31:07
university has its own representation, and Harbaugh's representation is either posting stuff on blogs
31:15
or lifting stuff off of blogs. But as for the College Football Playoff Committee,
31:19
their task, their charter is to pick the four best teams to fill
31:25
the four slots in the four team playoff. Here last year of the four
31:27
team playoff, they certainly could say that with the Big Ten ruling against Michigan,
31:36
that that certainly handicaps their ability to be one of the four best teams.
31:42
But I don't think that that. I don't think we're at that point
31:45
right now. I think that that's one of those things that if Michigan is
31:51
still on the table, if Michigan beats Penn State and gets to X y
31:53
Z point, then they're going to have to make a determination. But we
31:56
never really see the CFP get out ahead of things. The CFP always reacts
32:01
much later, and you know, and that's been to Ohio State's benefit in
32:06
fourteen when Ohio State jump Baylor and TCU because of what happened in that game
32:12
and everything else. But I don't think that we're necessarily going to see any
32:16
sort of adjustment in the rankings that are not predicated by actual on field actions.
32:24
All Right, super chat from THH just says, this means this really
32:30
means nothing, and I mean it's more than nothing, but it's not,
32:34
you know, this is not the absolute bombshell. I mean, we had
32:37
people talking about Michigan, you know, dropping the hammer, the Big Time
32:39
dropping the hammer on Michigan, and it's going to happen on Monday, and
32:42
it's like, I don't think either of those is really accurate. This is
32:46
this is a punishment. This is not and I don't think it's an unreasonable
32:51
punishment. I don't think it's like an unreasonably light punishment. It's a punishment,
32:54
but it's not that. This is certainly not Michigan getting nuked into the
32:58
Stone Age. But again there's there is potentially you know, significantly more coming
33:02
later with the NCAA super tep from David Greenshield, first COVID, same Jim
33:07
Harbaugh and now the Big Ten commissioner. Hmm, well is the Big Ten
33:15
didn't have to make any sort of move and could have punted at the point.
33:19
I again to Tom's point, this is not the final verdict. This
33:22
is not the final This isn't the final boss, This is not any of
33:27
that. This is just this is like the easiest of many bosses. Like
33:31
if your character has no skills or whatever, you might lose. But other
33:36
than that, you sit there and you look back. As I got that
33:37
guy was easy to push over. I mean this is very early in the
33:40
process. I think that we're going to see a couple more graduated steps.
33:45
But as I've said, if you're going to take, if you're going to
33:49
make the efforts to act, in act, don't just don't come in with
33:52
this lukewarm milk toast nothing burger. So this is little Mac versus glass Joe.
33:59
Is that what that is? Yeah? Super chef from Jordan Kapler.
34:02
So if Hardball can't be on the sidelines, can he go to other games?
34:06
Can Jim be the new Connor Stallions? I mean that would be diabolical
34:09
and what a what a snub right in the big ten's face to go and
34:15
do that Rutgers. I listen, listen, hey, listen. The Fifth
34:23
Amendment still applies. We can't you can't you know, you can't do unreasonable,
34:29
you know, excessive. I mean, yeah, he could, he
34:32
could get banned from baseball. That's if what if he shows up to Ohio
34:36
State this weekend and has is in a baseball glove, has a baseball glove
34:39
on it. What if he shows up to court like Judge Judy sitting in
34:44
the front row like you did the last time with Judge Judy. Uh.
34:47
Super chef from Bill Evans five dollars. Thank you, Bill, appreciate it.
34:51
If you had a question, I missed it. Sometimes people will put
34:54
the superchad in and then have a separate question. So if you guys happen
34:57
to see the question from Bill, let me know, super chep for Mike
35:00
Smith. If this is your punishment, you know UML is going to try
35:02
and get an adjunction asap. Why not just do the two games that isn't
35:06
eligible for appeal after this weekend. That would last to the end of the
35:08
regular season anyway. And I don't think there's a difference there. Again,
35:15
I am not an attorney, but you know that the verbiage in terms of
35:20
may not be appealed is the same at the end of the basic punishments that
35:24
the Commissioner can levy and the punishments that the j get CA and levy that
35:30
are more serious. I think that is cannot be appealed to the conference is
35:36
how that is, how that is sort of read. So there's not a
35:40
line there that's like, you know, you can't appeal these, but you
35:44
could appeal these. The verbiage is the same, so the case against it
35:49
would be the same regardless. And you know, if you suspended him for
35:52
two games and it was you know, Maryland and Ohio State but not Penn
35:55
State, boy, I don't think Penn State would be big fans of that.
36:00
So you know it's I'm gonna be so interested to see what the response
36:06
is because I have not seen anything yet in terms of an injunction filed.
36:09
Correct, Have I missed anything? I'm not, but I'm on Hotel wi
36:15
FI. If I look off the screen, it may drop on me.
36:20
So no. I did see a tweet from Kyle Roland, our buddy with
36:22
the Toledo Blade, saying can we get a welfare check on David Schuster?
36:27
I'm legitimately worried about this guy's mental health. David Schuster was that weird guy
36:34
that like Bretons, like Walt Disney World and a bunch of other stuff.
36:39
Dere at goofy Uh. Yeah, it was. He was the guy who
36:45
was like tweeting at all the corporations that sponsored College Game Day, I think,
36:49
or ESPN telling them he was not going to he was going to take
36:52
his kids to Six Flags instead of Disney World. If if ESPN did not
36:58
find people, yeah, yes, So there are some other statements I think
37:05
from the Big Ten. I just saw Nicole Arbek. I'm not sure where
37:07
this is coming from. It tweeted this. It's from a letter from the
37:12
university. Here from the Big Ten, the conference is unmoved by the university's
37:15
attempt to downplay its impermissible conduct by asserting that other conference members may have engaged
37:21
in sign to coding. As the university readily admits in its response, it
37:24
does not know the exact methods that it alleges other teams used to decode its
37:29
own signs. The Conference has not received any information that any other member schools
37:32
engaged in impermissible advanced in person scouting, let alone a scheme of the size
37:37
and scale like the one at issue here. The Conference is unaware of any
37:42
active NCAA investigations into impermissible advanced scouting involving other members of the conference. Should
37:46
the Conference become aware of such impermissible conduct, it will take appropriate action.
37:51
However, the conference vehemently rejects any defense by the university or any other conference
37:55
member that cheating is acceptable because other teams do it to I thought we were
38:01
going to have a Rico case here. That's all right, that's another heavy
38:08
that's got more than this lame suspension. And the Big Ten has just in
38:15
the last twenty minutes or so released some of the correspondents back and forth with
38:22
Michigan. The you know, the correspondents received by conference from Institution data November
38:27
eighth, twenty twenty three. You have seen that all leak through Dan Wetzel
38:30
already, uh, the correspondence from conference to Institution data November fourth. So
38:34
this is last Saturday, and so I think this is probably essentially a summation
38:39
of what a summation of what the conference talked to Michigan about last Friday.
38:46
This email constitutes a formal notice of the conferences belief that a violation of the
38:50
Big Ten Sportsmanship policy has occurred. Specifically, both the Big Ten Conference in
38:53
the University of Michigan were informed by NCAA staff and November second that evidence characterized
38:59
by the NCAA as uncontrovertible evidence exists to demonstrate that a non coaching football staff
39:04
member, Connor Stallion's coordinated scheme by which individuals were directed to attend games of
39:07
future opponents, were scouting purposes and violation of NCAA by Law eleven point six
39:12
point one, which it prohabits in person scouting of future opponents. In addition,
39:15
the individuals engaged in scouting were instructed to make video recordings of signals used
39:19
by opposing teams, which violates NCAA Football Playing Rules FR one Dash four DASH
39:24
eleven Dash H prohibition on recording signals given by an opposing player, coach,
39:29
or other team personnel, and the conference's Football Game Management Manual. These were
39:32
not isolated or haphazard incidents. The violations were pervasive, systemic, and occurred
39:37
over multiple years, specifically dating back to at least with the twenty twenty one
39:40
season and continuing through the current season. The staff member purchased strategically located tickets
39:45
for games involving future opponents. It goes on and on, but they they
39:52
in addition to information shared with a conference and institution by the nc DOUBLEA during
39:57
the aforementioned call and no number second. Other evidence possessed or viewed by the
40:00
conference includes a spreadsheet shown to the conference by the NCAA, for which one
40:05
worksheet included the twenty twenty three schedules of scheduled opponents and potential opponents. Included
40:10
extensive informulation related to scouting assignments for games, including the names of individuals who
40:15
would be attending games, the presence of dollar amounts associated with some games,
40:19
the notes intent indicating the need to find individuals in certain locales to attend games.
40:22
Another worksheet within the same spreadsheet file included written descriptions of the opponent's signals.
40:28
The worksheit he's either in possession of or has been shared with the institution's
40:30
outside council for this matter. Data showing ticket purchases by the staff member for
40:35
games involving future opponents, including at least four games in twenty twenty one,
40:37
thirteen games in twenty twenty two, and five games during the first seven weeks
40:40
of the twenty twenty three season. This photos and videos from the public domain
40:46
that show the staff member adjacent to and communicating with coaches during games occurring within
40:51
the timeframe at issue. One photo was taken from mister Stay and since deleted
40:55
Instagram account showing him during the October second, twenty twenty one game at w
40:59
was conson standing shoulders shoulder with then defensive coordinator Mike McDonald, with mister McDonald
41:04
focused on the field and mister Stallion's looking intently in the direction of the opposing
41:07
sideline. Mister Stallions caption for the photo read quote just two football guys debating
41:12
what the best halftime snack on the plotter is close quote. There is also
41:15
a video of mister Stallions watching the opposing sideline during the November twenty six,
41:19
twenty twenty two game at Ohio State and then just during to the Michigan defense
41:22
in reaction to the signals being provided to the opposing offense. That would be
41:25
the video from Adam King from Channel ten in Columbus. There's also video of
41:29
mister Stallions during the December twenty thirty, first twenty twenty two game against CCU
41:34
standing shoulders shoulder with defensive coordinator Jesse Mincher and talking to him while intently watching
41:37
what was happening on the field and or the TCAU sideline. So this is
41:42
you know, it goes on and on, but this is please provide any
41:45
response by five o'clock pm on Tuesday, November seventh, twenty twenty three,
41:50
is what they asked ask them to do. So that is so apparently they
41:54
got notified on Saturday and were given until Tuesday to formulate a response, so
42:00
you know, that's that's a reasonable amount of time. There were people who
42:04
were taking the timeline of you know, how can you have the punishment on
42:07
Friday and saying, well, why didn't they just notify them last last week?
42:12
Well, they notified them on Saturday, so they did not notify them
42:14
on Monday. That just it came out on Monday that they had notified them
42:16
on There's so much in here we should just all pause for fifteen minutes and
42:22
go read all of this. One of the things here, you guys are
42:24
going to talk for a minute, and I'm going to start making some screenshots
42:27
and some graphics because you know how I love to read this stuff. You
42:29
got me five more minutes and then it's time to jump in an Ober and
42:31
good drinks some beer. So all right, so you hear that everyone shows
42:35
about to get better, So hang in there, give us a thumbs up
42:37
now. But show's about to get better. Just one little piece in this.
42:39
This is from the university or from their conference to Michigan. On November
42:45
eighth, the university and its head football coach delivered their responses to the conference's
42:49
notice. The university's response did not deny that the impermissible scheme occurred, but
42:54
argued that the conference did not have the authority to enforce its own rules for
43:00
since the university argued that a rule authorizing the conference to impose additional penalties after
43:04
an NCAA investigation based on the final results of that investigation actually prohibited the conference
43:08
room enforcing an entirely different rule, the sportsmanship policy. This is one week
43:16
started hearing about how the Big Ten was not happy with Michigan. I think
43:20
a lot of this is just because of all of the lawyer hair that had
43:22
been pulled out and put on the floor of the Big ten meeting rooms,
43:28
because of the arguing back that Michigan was doing on some of these things in
43:31
the way they're arguing it, and the Big ten lawyers is shaking their heads.
43:37
But there's so much stuff here. There is one thing, Chris Vanini
43:43
was also pulling some of this, and I am here's one part of it.
43:47
I don't exactly know where this is in that letter, but this is
43:51
from the Big Ten. The university's November eight response does not deny that the
43:54
impivincible scheme occurred. Instead, it offers only procedural and technical arguments designed to
44:00
delay accountability. And that's just more a very this. This is not a
44:06
happy content. This is not a happy Big Ten, and they're letting everybody
44:08
know about it. And I'm kind of with Kevin. What they're saying is
44:13
stronger than the punishment, Like pay attention to what the Big Ten is saying
44:17
about Michigan here, and the the the use of the word cheating, Like
44:22
if I go through this and control f cheating and see how many times cheat
44:27
is mentioned, you know, things like that, and the the impermissible all
44:31
of that. It's pretty damning. Kevin't you got anything you want to say
44:36
before you get out of here? Well, let's talk. I'm not going
44:39
to read any statements because I can't. I can't open a second window at
44:44
risk of dropping off of here. But again, I'm going to need I'm
44:47
going to need to read some of this documentation. I will do that from
44:51
the bar and get accused by my wife of not paying attention to her,
44:53
and why did she bother taking me up to Cleveland for my birthday? And
44:58
well, we're we're living in strange times, my friends. This is all
45:01
interesting. I'm gonna be curious to see what type of timeline the n C
45:05
two A can move on. It's certainly not going to be days or weeks.
45:09
I mean, unless you know, we're talking about like thirty weeks.
45:13
But we'll see. At this point. I think it's a pretty thin punishment
45:16
at this point. As I said, and Tony said that, I said,
45:20
and I will say again, the words are much stronger than what the
45:22
actions are at this point. I was kind of waiting to see if when
45:25
the Big ten released more information, if there was going to be some lower
45:30
level things that would be included in there. Apparently not at this point.
45:35
But once again, just to kind of pull the pin and walk out of
45:37
the room, we're only talking about one issue right now. We're only talking
45:40
about the Stallion stuff. There's a lot of other accusations out there that are
45:45
not being discussed at this point, whether or not that falls more under the
45:49
NC two A purview or the FBI investigation or whatever. I don't know.
45:54
I mean, we're we're still in the opening stanzas of this song. We're
45:59
not really that deep into it yet. I'm still going to maintain that this
46:05
is a relatively truthless punishment at this point. But if you're Ohio State,
46:08
you got to get out there and just take care of business. Every Michigan
46:12
fan in the world who's in the chat is just talking about the impending beat
46:15
down that is coming to Columbus and ann Arbor, and all I say there
46:20
is I'll be interested to see if both teams are undefeated and what that game
46:23
looks like. All right, so let's we are way behind on super chats.
46:28
Kevin, Thank you for hopping on. Always good to have you.
46:30
Enjoy your enjoy the rest of your evening, try not to, Why don't
46:32
you, Why don't you hand your wife your phone and just enjoy enjoy a
46:36
lovely evening away from this whole mess. And we'll we'll be here. We'll
46:40
be here to uh you know, we don't worry. Well, we'll text
46:44
you tomorrow with uh, we'll see We'll see you tomorrow. Yeah, we'll
46:45
see you tomorrow. We'll be hanging out pictures of recruits, big recruiting weekend
46:51
for Ohio State. Does anybody even know who they're playing? Oh? Yeah,
46:53
Michigan State, So we'll be ready for that come tomorrow. Yes,
46:58
it turns out there as an Ohio State football game that we'll be covering tomorrow.
47:00
So we'll see Kevin there. You will see Kevin there as well.
47:04
Thank you Kevin. All right, so let's get caught up. We are
47:07
way behind on super chats. My apologies. We're gonna blast through a bunch
47:09
of these to get caught up on all of that super chat from wv Buckeye.
47:14
Good to see everyone, See you in Columbus tomorrow. We will see
47:16
you there. It is this has been a season where it feels like we
47:22
have spent so many weeks like we got into a nice routine at the beginning
47:24
of the week, the beginning of season, like, okay, on Monday
47:27
we do this show, and Tuesday we do this show, Wednesday we do
47:29
this show. And then the last like three or four weeks has just been
47:32
like, well, I don't know, We'll just see what something happens in
47:35
the Michigan thing, and then that's what we'll end up talking about, because
47:37
that's all anyone wants to talk about anyway. So yeah, High State place
47:40
in Michigan State. Tomorrow, we'll get there at some point, we'll have
47:45
a pregame show. We'll probably talk about it. Someone on the pregame show.
47:49
Find us at YouTube dot com slash bucke huddle to watch that. And
47:52
while you're on here, just talked about how we could make Kevin's wife happy
47:55
by having him not on his phone. You can make Tony's wife happy by
47:59
putting the pushing the thumbs up button. That would be much appreciated. Next
48:04
up from Mike Farino, by doing game Dave game suspensions only, was that
48:08
potentially a move to pretend an injunction Michigan has are on three games with Gym
48:12
surviving in a similar suspension underminds therreparable team aspect, a heart tee irreparable harm
48:17
aspect. That's a great point, well, and that's one of the points
48:21
that the beat Dami Well talking to that Chief Justice, that was what he
48:24
said. What would be the conferences or the judges argument or whatever, that
48:30
what is irreparable when you've already won three games for being suspended. You were
48:35
three to zero when you were suspended, So I don't know that this would
48:37
be irreparable, So I think that is accurate, although we don't know that
48:43
an injunction isn't going to happen or that isn't trying to happen. I do
48:46
think this is is Michigan upset, sure that they didn't want anything to happen,
48:52
But can they really be upset with this punishment when at this point,
49:00
again this is just the preliminary punishment. You haven't lost any games, nothing
49:05
has really been lost, so you still have everything. Nothing has been taken
49:08
from you other than you know, four hours on Saturday, you're not going
49:15
to have your head coach. So I wonder if this is something that they
49:19
will fight, because if you do fight it, that does that three game
49:23
suspension, If say you get an injunction for a day, does that three
49:27
game suspension just carry over. Now you might be missing him for the Big
49:31
Ten championship game or a bowl game something like that. Or is this just
49:35
something what whatever the fight is, he seemingly is not going to be on
49:39
the sideline for Ohio State. So at this point, what's what's to fight?
49:45
Well, And that's kind of the question is do they fight it or
49:50
do they look at this as you know, kind of finding something of a
49:52
middle ground, which, you know, the old line that a good compromise
49:55
leads everyone upset. I'm guessing that Ohio State people are looking at this and
50:00
going, that's not enough. I'm upset, and Michigan people are looking at
50:02
this and going, that's too much. I'm also upset. I would be,
50:08
you know, this based on Michigan's response and how you know, there
50:15
were seventeen ways in which you can't do this to me. Only I can
50:19
do this to me, and you know, and he didn't even know anything,
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and you can't prove anything, and even if you could prove anything,
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you don't have grounds to do this. And you know, I still sort
50:30
of expect them to go and pursue this. But I do wonder if the
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you know, the to Mike's point, the the fact that they have won
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three games already without him on the sidelines, and won them somewhat comfortably,
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even though they were against terrible competition, if that does maybe undermine the irreparable
50:45
harm aspect of Michigan's argument that pet Dammel made had had the judge explained to
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him in writing in his article earlier on Friday, Can I just put out
50:58
sorry such five of the letter from the Universe from the conference to the university
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says that Jak and I have determined that this disciplinary action against university is appropriate.
51:08
So just to answer that question that Jay k was involved, hence the
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larger than two games. Yes, so you know, so again that also
51:17
probably helps undermine the argument against You know, this is just one crazy guy
51:23
who thinks he needs to you know, this is the jak Is university president,
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university executives or leaders from around the country. So you know, you
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built some consensus across the conference where you got everyone else on one side of
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the table in Michigan on the other. So that probably helps, you would
51:40
think in terms of making this case potentially stick. We will see if Michigan
51:46
files an injunction. If there was one filed, there was a report that
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they would have to be addressed within fourteen days, which fourteen days from now
51:54
we will already be up in the Great Lakes state of Michigan getting ready for
51:59
the out State Michigan game the following day. So, oh boy, what
52:04
a fascinating week that could be. How would you like to Michigan's response,
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I would more than anything in the world. Love Michigan's response, So they
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have released a statement, and it reads is this, Like all members of
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the Big Ten Conference, we are entitled to a fair, deliberate, and
52:16
thoughtful process to determine the full set of facts before a judgment is rendered.
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Today's action by Commissioner Tony Petiti disregards the conference's own handbook, violates basic tenets
52:27
of due process, and sets an untenable precedent of assessing penalties before an investigation
52:30
has been completed. We are dismayed at the Commissioner's rush to judgment when there's
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an ongoing NCAA investigation, one in which we are fully cooperating. Commissioner Petiti's
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hasty action today suggests that this is more about reacting to pressure from other conference
52:45
members than a desire to apply the rules fairly and Impartially, by taking this
52:50
action at this hour, the Commissioner is personally inserting himself onto the sidelines and
52:55
altering the level playing field that he is claiming to preserve, and doing so
52:59
on Veterans Day, a court holiday, to try to thwart the university from
53:04
seeking immediate judicial relief is hardly a profile and impartiality to ensure fairness in the
53:09
process, we intend to seek a court order together with Coach Haarbaugh, preventing
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this disciplinary action from taking effects. All right, well there you go.
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So a good compromise, Tony leaves everyone upset. So yeah, I mean
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you can. I would assume they're going to be able to find a judge,
53:30
Like, even though it is Veterans Day, you started talking about Veterans
53:34
Day, and I'm like, are they going to talk about the troops?
53:37
You can't. I was so sure that was where that was headed. Yeah,
53:40
I assume they're going to be judge shopping, knocking on doors. I
53:45
would assume they probably already know who they're going to take this to, and
53:47
that they have probably notified the person, like, hey, you might hear
53:52
from us sometime, might be weird, might be on Friday afternoon, kind
53:54
of late. But you know, the idea that this is just past only
54:00
unfair. The timing of this, like whatever, when did you want this
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to happen? Because after the season is not an acceptable answer. So if
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it happened yesterday, then the conference didn't give enough time to take your well
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ridden legal YadA YadA into account. If it happens today. It's the holiday
54:17
and the troops and you know the courts are closed and so it's going to
54:22
be three percent harder to get this done. And if it's next Monday,
54:24
then you waited too long and you let it linger over our heads for the
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Penn State game. So you know, the timing of this whatever, man
54:31
like, there was no timing that was going to make Michigan happy on this.
54:36
So you know, we'll see next steps at this point in terms of
54:40
a legal you know, an emergency in junction, and you want to put
54:45
odds, go ahead and put odds on whether Jim Harbaugh standing on the sideline
54:49
in Beaver Stadium on Saturday, because I don't want to be the one who
54:53
puts odds on this. I really I could see anything from five percent to
54:59
you know, yeah, I'm And now you know how they do the sideline
55:05
interviews at the half or coming back from the half. If he's there,
55:08
what are you asking about your team's performance? Jim? Are you happy with
55:15
your team's performance given the cloud over your program right now? And do you
55:21
have anything you would like to say? And of course you know that nothing
55:23
will be said, but I do Michigan arguing fairness in their reply is a
55:30
little like, come on, this, this whole thing was because of you're
55:37
somebody in your program doing something to create unfairness, and so then for you
55:42
to be like this isn't fair, I mean, I guess that's an eye
55:45
for an eye at that point. Yeah, and boy, it's gonna be
55:51
so interesting to see where this where this all goes. We're even further behind
55:54
in super Chat. Sorry, Jeff Hynes, he says, the punishment is
55:58
you're guilty, and there that is certainly the reputational damage to Jim Harbaugh on
56:04
the Michigan program that has come over the last few weeks is not insubstantial.
56:08
And you know, I'd say that, and people are probably hearing that in
56:14
terms of like Michigan attorneys saying like this is incredible damage to their reputation,
56:17
like probably earned or you probably earned what you got here. And you know,
56:27
the there has not been a lot of pushback on anything other than Jim
56:30
Harbaugh had direct knowledge of this, and you know, hey, it's too
56:36
soon that has Those have been really the two big lines of pushback right now,
56:38
which is, okay, who else knew? Did Literally no one else
56:44
in the building knew or you know, I don't. I don't know that
56:49
anything that they have pushed back on yet has been you know, has told
56:53
me that they're gonna like skate with a light punishment next year. I don't
56:59
think that's probably going to be the case. But you know, we'll see.
57:02
The NCAA has missed eighteen inch putts before, so we'll see. We'll
57:06
see where that all goes. Super chat from Mike Smith. Wait a second,
57:10
so the trust me bro source was wrong about what Michigan had against other
57:14
schools. Who could have guessed that? Real shocker, Now, that was
57:16
the idea that Michigan has this incredible vault of you know, like reams and
57:25
reams of documents of documenting every wrongdoing that every other Big ten team has done
57:31
over the last decade or whatever. That I mean, the whole process is
57:37
not over. Maybe that comes out later, but that never made a whole
57:40
heck of a lot of sense to me, because if you've got all this
57:44
stuff showing, you know, hey, other teams are doing exactly what we
57:46
did, which was something that has been claimed at least some places online,
57:52
that feels like something you would have rolled out of that rolled out of that
57:55
vault on about Tuesday morning this week and say that's part of the No,
58:01
you can't punish us now because everyone does it, because instead it was well,
58:06
someone called someone about a different game and it wasn't legal, illegal,
58:10
but it was kind of the same thing, like if you have the goods,
58:14
it feels like you deliver the goods before the punishment has already been levy.
58:19
The time to drop that in the conference's lap is three days ago,
58:23
and it seemingly didn't happen. So that sort of makes me wonder what exactly
58:28
is in the vault. Let's get Heraldo Rivera and find out. No,
58:31
no, you don't want to get him. You want to get somebody who
58:34
has well, you can find something in a vault. The you know this,
58:40
that's just next one, next one. Time We've got to get through
58:43
these super chat from CW. Wonder if Ward Manual in Michigan AD will now
58:47
pull his seat with the playoff committee with this move by the Big Ten president.
58:52
An interesting question he took this past week off. I don't know that
58:55
he will, but it is interesting. The first week that they had the
59:04
meeting, there was a question from I think maybe Ralph Russo of the AP
59:09
asking, uh, the book Oregan, the chair of the committee, Hey,
59:15
are you guys worried about having Ward Manual on your committee? Tainting the
59:20
committee and tainting you basically having that a guy with that kind of reputation and
59:24
or at least with with what's going on and kind of getting this reputation now
59:29
that he's associated obviously with Michigan, and I wouldn't expect them to push him
59:35
out or it's just a matter of what does does he have time for?
59:38
I think he does, because this is now either a judge is going to
59:43
handle us for the time being or not, in which case, like what
59:46
is what has changed about Ward Manual's situation? He's not going to be watching
59:52
to make sure that Jim Harbaugh isn't on the sidelines. There's obviously the get
59:55
back coach for that, or Tom the stay away coach. That's that's a
1:00:01
tremendous, tremendous idea get give really a fun twist on an old classic in
1:00:07
college football. They stay away coach. I did. We have had people
1:00:10
in various places asking about, so what happens if Jim Harball just shows up,
1:00:15
Like I don't think this is like, this is not pro wrestling.
1:00:17
Jim Harball is not gonna like you know, glass glass breaks and Jim Harbaugh
1:00:22
comes striding swaggering down the down the tunnel at Penn State. I mean probably
1:00:27
not right? Yes, who who did Jim Harbaugh have on campus this past
1:00:31
week? He had Rick Flair on campus? Right? Was that Rick Flair?
1:00:37
Rick Flair the dirtiest player? Will he say wu? Tony? Will
1:00:42
he say wu? Is my question? Probably? Probably? I am in
1:00:46
the process of I think we have are we caught up on super Chat's hang
1:00:51
on? I think we may have had one more? Sorry, I'm trying
1:00:52
to do four things at once here. This is what happens when Kevin is
1:00:54
goofing off. Super Chat from Bill McMillan, Thank you very much for your
1:01:00
super Chat five hundred and ninety seven items in the live chat. I haven't
1:01:05
looked for a while. I'm sure everyone's getting along great. Oh yeah,
1:01:07
yeah, super Chat from Mike Smith. Honestly, I do hope this stops
1:01:09
all the questions to Ohio State coaches and players so we can focus on Ohio
1:01:13
State instead of focusing on something else. Day said, the locker room feels
1:01:16
different. Let's get it back well. I think the current stretch of games
1:01:22
might have people looking elsewhere in terms of the excitement around college football. But
1:01:28
a night game in Ohio Stadium against anybody, I think is going to get
1:01:31
people back into the swing of things. And I'm with you. I'm ready
1:01:36
to talk about Ohio State stuff like we have. This is this is all
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tangentially Ohio State. We talked about Michigan year round, years round, so
1:01:45
this is not just something we're doing just because this is something we do year
1:01:49
round. We talk about Michigan because you can't talk about one without the other.
1:01:52
You can't talk about Higher State without acknowledging Michigan. You can't talk about
1:01:55
Michigan without acknowledging Ohio State. It's just right now, Michigan is doing the
1:02:01
whole look what I can do type of thing and trying to command everybody's attention.
1:02:07
And it's working now. Mark asked the most recent comment, I missed
1:02:10
this. What did Michigan do well? Buddy? How much time you got?
1:02:17
So just check the internet? All right? Yes, always check certain
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places on the internet. Be careful about where you're checking on the internet.
1:02:25
I also tried to pull up a popular Michigan site a minute ago to check
1:02:29
a source on something and unsurprisingly it did not load. Maybe having a servers
1:02:36
under stress might be the read here. I did want to pull up this.
1:02:39
It is the it is the let's say, we can pull this up
1:02:44
all the way there we go. This is from the Big Ten's letter that
1:02:49
went out to officially notify Michigan, and this is this is part of the
1:02:52
things that Tony was talking about earlier, the extraordinary nature of the offending conduct
1:02:58
and information obtained by the conference. And this is the Big Ten essentially making
1:03:02
a case for hey, yeah, it's weird for us to be doing this
1:03:07
right now, but here's why we're doing it, and the talk to the
1:03:14
president of the NCAA, Charlie Baker, back on October eighteenth. During that
1:03:17
call, the NCAA disclosed to both the conference and the university that had received
1:03:22
highly credible evidence of a wide ranging, multi year, in person off campus
1:03:25
scouting scheme orchestrated by a non coaching staff member of the university football program.
1:03:30
There were several extraordinary aspects of this call. It is rare and outside the
1:03:34
NCA's typical protocols for the NCAA to disclose information about an active investigation the institutions
1:03:39
other than the institution under investigation. However, the NCAA stated and believed that
1:03:44
the disclosure was necessary due to the unprecedented scope of the then alleged scheme.
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Then alleged is you will note past tense, and because of the significant impact
1:03:52
on the impermissionble scheme could have on competition during the current football season. It
1:03:57
was also extraordinary that the NCAA President Range four and participated in the call,
1:04:01
underscoring not only the severity of the allegations but the immediate impacts. All of
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these circumstances were a clear statement from the nc DOUBLEA that the nature and reliability
1:04:11
of the evidence that they had received indicated that the improper scheme related to the
1:04:15
university's football team was ongoing and created a substantial risk of compromising the integrity of
1:04:19
football competitions this season. That is italicized. The two words this season are
1:04:26
italicized so that you put emphasis on it when you read. At that point,
1:04:30
the university's football team had played seven games this season and had five more
1:04:33
regular season games remaining. So you know what that is telling you right there
1:04:40
is you know this is not. You know, this is not just a
1:04:44
few Big ten presidents who are big mad or the Big ten coaches who were
1:04:47
on the conference call and they were the only ones who thought this was a
1:04:50
big deal and are pressuring the Big Ten into that decision. That is the
1:04:55
NCUBA, including President Charlie Baker, looking at this and going like, hey,
1:05:00
this is way bigger than the normal kind of crap that we deal with,
1:05:04
because they deal with all that kind of stuff all the time, and
1:05:06
it's you know, generally dealt with poorly. And but then they you know,
1:05:12
it is dealt with poorly but slowly. This for this to get fast
1:05:15
tracked in this way and fast tracked to the Big Ten, that tells you
1:05:20
there are a lot of people at the highest levels of the sport taking this
1:05:25
very very very seriously, which you know then when you see the you know,
1:05:29
there was what was the phrase that that Tony Petiti used, It was,
1:05:33
you know, the one of the most serious or one of the worst
1:05:36
scandals in league history. And like self evidently he was talking about on field
1:05:42
scandals and like you know, scandals that directly impact the on field product.
1:05:46
The fact that the situation was ongoing that helps make it a bigger deal.
1:05:51
All all of that stuff makes it a you know, makes it a bigger
1:05:56
deal and helps maybe underscore why you've got such immediate action on this. Yeah,
1:06:03
just the as you said, the immediacy of it. The serious super
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chat from Jeff Fines is kind of what we've been talking about with the biggest
1:06:12
punishment here is that the important headline is that the Big Ten confirms Michigan cheated.
1:06:17
And that's something that you can't wash your hands of. That's something that
1:06:23
is not just this year, but and really until you until the Big Ten
1:06:28
puts an actual timeline on it other than calling it multiple years, people are
1:06:32
going to attach this to the success in twenty twenty one, the success in
1:06:35
twenty twenty two, and then you know, they did not need to do
1:06:41
this advanced scouting and cheating this year with the schedule that they have, So
1:06:45
I don't know, I don't even know if they went out from this point
1:06:47
on, will people give them the credit for it, because there is still
1:06:54
the taine of it. And never mind the fact that the NCAA may come
1:06:57
in and wipe all of it out anyway, and so whatever you win will
1:07:00
be taken away and will be vacated, and you'll still have the t shirts
1:07:05
and you'll still have the not the trophies, You'll still have the zubaz pants
1:07:11
and the the fanny packs and things like that. But this is far from
1:07:19
over. And now Michigan can move on, I think is that's the other
1:07:24
thing. Now we can all move on. But it doesn't sound like Michigan
1:07:26
wants to move on just yet. They want to continue to fight this and
1:07:30
this is a conference that is not happy with Michigan. I think they're more
1:07:34
unhappy with Michigan than Michigan is with them because some of those words that they're
1:07:38
throwing at Michigan. This is not a situation where like, you know what,
1:07:42
we need to remain friends. I'm going to use use some kind words
1:07:45
like they are throwing it out there. And I could see now why Michigan
1:07:48
fans would not like Tony Pettiti because it sure seems like he is anti Michigan.
1:07:53
But what he is is he's just telling you, He's laying it out
1:07:57
there like he has given them noble. This is something that Jim Delaney would
1:08:00
be writing to them and it'd be in that same language. And that's like
1:08:03
I am the commission of the Big Ten. I am this with the JAK
1:08:06
has done this, the presidents we have all like that. This is not
1:08:10
a unilateral This is not just Tony Pettiti on his own. This is uh,
1:08:15
everybody from the Big Ten involved in this. This is not one guy
1:08:17
against an entire university. This is a conference saying hey, we caught you
1:08:23
guys cheating. Yeah, and the fact that it went beyond the two games
1:08:27
and you had to get the JACK involved in again. The JAK is,
1:08:30
you know, leaders from around the conference, from other universities. This is
1:08:32
not just you know, hey, this school did this to us, or
1:08:35
this one guy did this to us. That is leadership from across the conference.
1:08:40
You had the phone call with the league's athletic directors. She had the
1:08:44
phone call with the leagues football coaches. Neither of those sounded like they were
1:08:47
full of happy, shiny people who were thrilled about what had happened or viewed
1:08:51
it as not a big deal. So, you know, I think I
1:08:54
think there's been a little bit of trying to reframe this as like, well,
1:08:58
if you really look at it, only these you know, only this
1:09:00
one guy is doing this. It's like, well, it's not really true.
1:09:03
West Best says, go go blow bye bye, Jimmy. I mean
1:09:06
this is even if the emergency injunction is not granted, he's not done coaching
1:09:14
Michigan forever. It would be a three game suspension. I still think there's
1:09:18
a half way decent possibility he's on the sidelines on Saturday, but they get
1:09:25
some kind of an emergency injunction because at this point, it's four forty three
1:09:28
on the East coast. So you're going in and you're talking to whoever,
1:09:31
and if you get, if you get someone to grant you the injunction,
1:09:35
and I wouldn't even want to begin, you know, handicapping the likelihood that
1:09:39
that happens. But if you do get that injunction granted, how long is
1:09:44
it going to take the Big ten to file a you know whatever the counter
1:09:46
or have a hearing, I mean the hearing. It happens according to the
1:09:50
reporting from Pete Thamil early on earlier on Friday, in the you know,
1:09:55
Washingtaw County courthouse setting, which and there were questions about where that whether it
1:10:00
would actually stay there or whether it get bumped up to a federal court because
1:10:03
it's or a district court or you know, federal district court or something like
1:10:06
that, because it's in you know, dealing with entities in two different states,
1:10:11
and we got to get all that sorted out. But you know,
1:10:14
if there was you know, if there was a hearing based on an emergency
1:10:17
in junction that was granted, that had to happen within fourteen days, So
1:10:21
that's not necessarily going to be a five minutes later they're all talking and arguing,
1:10:27
that's a you probably get to coach the Penn State game, and then
1:10:30
you might even get to coach the Maryland game before that actually happens. I
1:10:34
go ahead the counter to the injunction, just so you know it's an out
1:10:38
junction. Tony Gerdaman esquire. So here's the next thing from that, from
1:10:46
the conference's statement, the Conference's actions to protect the integrity of upcoming competitions.
1:10:51
Later on October eighteenth, the same day that the call with Charlie Baker,
1:10:57
the NCAA president, happened to you, senior conference staff members, and I
1:11:00
participated in the call with the university's president at Santa Ono, Athletic Director Ward
1:11:04
Manual, and general counsel. During that call, I expressed my belief that
1:11:09
disclosure of the informercion will scheme to the university's remaining twenty twenty three football opponents
1:11:13
was necessary to preserve player safety and protect the integrity of those competitions. After
1:11:17
significant discussion and at my insistence, the Conference and the university agreed that the
1:11:23
disclosures were necessary in appropriate. Also on October eighteenth, the university obtained consent
1:11:27
from the NCAA to inform its football coaching staff of the NCAA's investigation, a
1:11:30
deviation from normal practice that was required in light of the extraordinary nature of the
1:11:34
NCAA's description of the conduct and the inn season disclosures being provided to other conference
1:11:40
members. That same evening, the conference informed the university's next football opponent,
1:11:44
Michigan State University, of the information disclosed by the NCAA regarding the in permissible
1:11:48
scheme. On October nineteenth, the conference similarly informed the universities remaining twenty twenty
1:11:54
three football opponents. The conference also consulted with US Integrity, which confirmed the
1:11:59
conference view that immediate transparency about the information the conference had learned was important.
1:12:03
Later that day, the conference issued a press release stating that the conference in
1:12:06
the university had been notified by the nc DOUABLEA that it was investigating allegations of
1:12:10
improper sign stealing by the university's football program, and that press release the conference
1:12:14
stress that it quote considers the integrity of the competition to be of the utmost
1:12:17
importance that it would continue to monitor the NCAA's investigation. So this is a
1:12:23
little bit of the In journalism, it's called a TikTok. It's sort of
1:12:26
like the so here's behind the scenes. Here's what we couldn't show you before.
1:12:29
So here's you know, how this sort of happened behind the scenes as
1:12:33
the whole investigation sort of came together. I think the one of the key
1:12:38
things in there the words were improper sign stealing. And throughout much of this
1:12:44
sign stealing is legal. That's why there's the improper sign stealing listed in there.
1:12:49
Just just one little other little needle point to Michigan on that one.
1:12:55
All right, I'm kind of scrolling through this this document. If you want
1:12:59
to email mail me the link to the Michigan statement, I will pull that
1:13:01
up because I do want to read that again because that was that was pretty
1:13:04
significant. I'm going to punch up the punch up the live chat just to
1:13:10
see where everything's going. Hey it's gone great. Turns out everyone agrees,
1:13:14
so so it's fine. Uh yeah, it is it is you know,
1:13:19
I mean, this is this is a and here's this is an interesting point
1:13:25
that Brad Brad Smith is making. I don't think it is former MISSOO quarterback
1:13:29
Brad Smith, but it could be. The twenty twelve O highest state team
1:13:31
was undefeated and couldn't play for the national championship. What about quote if the
1:13:34
kids talk then, because that is the you know, it's unfair that Michigan
1:13:39
could have their season impacted. And look, they're having such a great season,
1:13:41
so you know it would be really unfair to have them have their season
1:13:45
impacted by this. And you know that's the twenty twelve team really did not
1:13:51
benefit in any way from the stuff that happened that led to the you know,
1:13:57
led to that, you know, the the firing of Jim Well I
1:14:00
guess technically the resignation of Jim Dressel, but you know, all that whole
1:14:04
thing and then Urban Meyer coming in and you know, the twenty eleven team
1:14:10
going to a bowl game, and then the twenty twelve team which had largely
1:14:13
nothing to do with it. I think there was actually no overlap between the
1:14:16
people the TAT five and the twenty twelve team, if I remember correctly.
1:14:23
I don't think so. But either way, you know, it's all recruits.
1:14:28
So that's what I thought. Yeah, so, you know, I
1:14:30
mean, a lot has changed on the views since then, but I certainly
1:14:34
understand why, not only from a twenty twelve perspective, but also from my
1:14:40
twenty twenty one in twenty twenty two Ohio state perspective, I understand why that
1:14:45
argument certainly does not find it particularly sympathetic audience in Columbus. But Jones speaking
1:14:50
of great college football names, Butch Jones, do you guys foresee two seasons
1:14:55
of vacated wins on the horizon? I would be very happy with that,
1:14:58
I mean, and that would be that would be part of the NC double
1:15:00
A case. That's not something the Big ten can do, So that would
1:15:03
be part of the NC double A case coming based on the you know,
1:15:08
the the language that we're seeing here from the Big Ten that you know that
1:15:14
we're talking about, you know, significant, uh, there's a lot of
1:15:21
words here. You know that essentially that the a lot of stuff that created
1:15:27
a here we go, uh, created a substantial risk of compromising the integrity
1:15:32
of football competitions. They're talking about the fact they had to act this season
1:15:35
because it created a substantial risk of compromise the integrity of football competitions. So
1:15:41
if you're gonna talk that way about twenty twenty three, then obviously you feel
1:15:46
that it compromised football competitions in previous seasons, which then would certainly lead you
1:15:53
to believe you're talking about vacating wins, vacating Big Ten championships, all that
1:15:58
kind of stuff for twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. I mean,
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if that's the way the Big ten's talking about it now, you know,
1:16:06
and that was like the immediate reaction. It doesn't seem like the Big Ten
1:16:10
is like, yeah, it turns out this wasn't a big deal, because
1:16:12
we're having this conversation right now. So I would be pretty surprised if you
1:16:16
didn't see twenty twenty one in twenty twenty two, and you know, maybe
1:16:20
even twenty twenty three vacated. Yeah, that's my expectation. And again that's
1:16:26
why we need to see how far back this goes. I know, the
1:16:30
initial reports for Pete Thamill have it going back to twenty twenty one. The
1:16:33
Stallions has been on the staff since in some former fashion since twenty fifteen.
1:16:39
But when did this really begin? And so I'm thinking if it starts wherever
1:16:45
they just determined that the scignce stealing, the illegal and proper science stealing begin,
1:16:48
that's when the vacating will begin. So I'm expecting twenty twenty one,
1:16:54
twenty twenty two, and the first what seven games of the twenty twenty three
1:16:59
season to be one and maybe you'll see the first five and seven, you
1:17:06
know, just it would just be I'm trying to think what Michigan's record would
1:17:10
be if they go ahead and when went out this year would just be five
1:17:15
and oh in regular season? Is that how that would work? If it's
1:17:18
just vacated, there's there are no losses there, so yeah, I mean,
1:17:24
if it's if it's just from yeah, when when do you do it?
1:17:28
Is it from the moment that the the moment that the stuff got got
1:17:33
that Stallions left the team? Is it from some moment after that? I
1:17:38
mean, because you will certainly have people arguing that the impact probably reached beyond
1:17:44
you know that. You know, yeah, Michigan State found out on the
1:17:45
Thursday, and sure they could have adjusted their their signs or their play calling
1:17:54
or whatever to deal with the fact that they knew that this was coming.
1:17:58
But you still ill. I mean, realistically, that's not something you can
1:18:01
change overnight and with because that came out on what Thursday that week, Wednesday,
1:18:05
Thursday that week. That's just that's not a lot of time to make
1:18:10
wholesale changes there. Now, would that have changed the outcome of that game?
1:18:14
Was? You know, did that make a forty nine point difference?
1:18:16
I would say probably not, But that's also you know, it doesn't have
1:18:23
to make that bigot live a difference. If it had an impact, then
1:18:26
it seems like that would certainly be something you could argue should be vacated as
1:18:30
well. Well yeah, well, and we've seen for decades if you use
1:18:34
an ineligible player, that game is vacated. And it doesn't matter whether that
1:18:39
player scored three touchdowns or fumbled twice. You know that if you use an
1:18:44
eligible player, then that game is basically going to be vacated. I am
1:18:48
putting together a graphic with the Michigan response right now, which is taken directly
1:18:57
from a couple squares of from Nicole auerbos Twitter account. So this is going
1:19:03
to be formatted differently than all the other things. My apologies, my sincere
1:19:10
apologies for the formatting and everything else about this show. But here we are.
1:19:14
I'm going to punch that up in just a second. This is why
1:19:17
Kevin needs to be here. This is what Kevin does. We've all been
1:19:20
wondering for so long, what does Kevin do around here? It turns out
1:19:24
he does this kind of stuff. We'll punch that up in a second,
1:19:27
because this is this is a notable response. This is not a nothing response
1:19:31
from Michigan. There is you know, promises of further action from Michigan here.
1:19:39
Like all members of the Big Ten Conference, we are entitled to a
1:19:41
fair, deliberate, and thoughtful process to determine that the full set of facts
1:19:44
before a judgment is rendered. Today Today's action by Commissioner Tony Petiti disregards the
1:19:47
conference's own handbook, violates basic tenets of due process, and sets an untenable
1:19:53
precedent of assessing penalties before an investigation has been completed. We are dismased at
1:19:57
the Commissioner's rush to judgment when there is an ongoing enc double investigation, one
1:20:00
in which we are fully cooperating. Commissioner petitis hasty action today suggests that there's
1:20:04
more that this is more about reacting to pressure from other conference members than the
1:20:09
desire to apply that rules fairly impartially. By taking this action at this hour,
1:20:14
the Commissioner is personally inserting himself onto the sidelines and altering the level playing
1:20:17
field he's claiming to preserve, and doing so on Veterans Day, a court
1:20:21
holiday, to try to thwart the university from seeking immediate judicial relief is hardly
1:20:26
a profile and impartiality. To ensure fairness in the process, we intend to
1:20:30
seek a court order, together with Coach Haarbaugh, preventing this disciplinary action from
1:20:33
taking effect. So there you go. That is the statement from Michigan,
1:20:38
as reported by Nicole Auerbach. So that's I mean, that's pretty strong.
1:20:45
I don't you know, it's it's a whole due process argument, and I
1:20:51
don't you know, I don't know. It's it's there's no question whether there
1:20:59
was wrongdoing, and there's no question that under NCAA rules, Jim Harbaugh is
1:21:02
responsible for it. Now. Michigan, in their legal response to the thing
1:21:05
said, well, that's nc DOUBLEA rules. That's not Big ten rules.
1:21:09
It does specifically say that in Big ten rules. But you know, I
1:21:12
think depending on who you're getting, who you're who is signing your checks,
1:21:15
you will find that either a persuasive argument or not a persuasive argument. Uh,
1:21:18
if you were an attorney. But you know, I don't there's not
1:21:25
a question whether this happened or not. There's a you know, it's so
1:21:30
you know, I don't know how much relief they're going to get from a
1:21:34
judge. I mean, and this is one of these great unknowable things until
1:21:39
we actually find out, Okay, who did they talk to and what did
1:21:42
they say? Well, and hear from certified clapaholic they're is question of wrongdoing.
1:21:51
I don't think the conference has any question that Michigan did some wrongdoing,
1:21:55
that there's wrongdoing in the program. Now they have not tied any of that
1:21:58
to Jim Harbaugh, but the NCAA will come in and say it doesn't matter.
1:22:02
He should have known, and now some of that will be Here's the
1:22:05
other thing, Tom, The rule that the head coach should know is recent.
1:22:10
So at what point does that get applied and can they can they grandfather
1:22:15
that into stuff that was going on two years ago as opposed to stuff that
1:22:18
was only going on this year, So that may actually save the previous two
1:22:24
years. But I'm again we'll see super check from Drew Smith. Harball officially
1:22:30
has more suspensions than bowl wins. I will say he won a bowl game
1:22:35
at Stanford, though I'm wondering if he was already gone for that. Did
1:22:41
he already leave for San Francisco at that point? That was twenty ten,
1:22:44
it was his last team won the Orange Bowl ranked fourth in the nation,
1:22:48
got to win there, of course. The first the only bowl win for
1:22:54
Harball at Michigan was in twenty fifteen, the Citrus Bowl against Florida or South
1:23:00
Carolina or something like that. I don't know that it really matters. He
1:23:05
is listed as the he is listed as the head coach. I'm citing Wikipedia
1:23:10
here because this is the extremely important thing. Yeah, the extremely important thing.
1:23:14
I can like, David Shaw is not listed as an interim coach on
1:23:17
there, so I'm going to guess, especially because he went to the forty
1:23:19
nine ers. Generally those hires are made after the n the NFL season ends,
1:23:25
which happens after the college football season ends. You have Black Monday,
1:23:30
where everyone gets fired at the end of college at the end of the NFL
1:23:33
season, so I would guess he'd probably coached that. So, yes,
1:23:36
he has more suspensions than wins bowlwins at Michigan at least is an accurate statement
1:23:42
there. Do we need to start wrapping up? Yeah? I do,
1:23:46
Okay, Yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah, I think we've I think we've
1:23:50
kind of hit the big developments and if there are more developments, and boy
1:23:56
howdy are we expecting more developments on this at some point we will. We'll
1:24:00
probably hop back on at some point. There is high school football going on
1:24:03
tonight that is also on the editorial calendar, so we have people headed into
1:24:10
various spots. So this is not great timing and really, Tony Pettiti,
1:24:15
Tony should have taken that into account as well. I would agree with that.
1:24:19
This, I do agree with. I don't know if it's haste and
1:24:23
not waiting until Monday or lack of face to not doing it yesterday. Yesterday
1:24:27
would have been much better. We all had more free schedules. But I
1:24:30
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