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ITB Contract Series: Why Now Is Best Time For Eagles To Pay DeVonta Smith Again · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

0:09
Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It
0:15
Speaker 1: is Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan. Big week here coming
0:18
Speaker 1: up for the Eagles. They will have their mandatory mini camps,
0:21
Speaker 1: which everybody is expected to show up for or else
0:24
Speaker 1: there are steep fines, Adam Kaplan, you know that. So
0:27
Speaker 1: it'll be pretty interesting. That's gonna be later this week,
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Speaker 1: So we'll have Andrew there and Adam will be there.
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Speaker 1: I might even make it to one and then we'll
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Speaker 1: have good intel coming out of those camps. But for
0:37
Speaker 1: now here. On Tuesday, we're going to continue our podcast
0:41
Speaker 1: series where we're looking at contracts and we're doing it
0:44
Speaker 1: differently this year, separating in position groups so that we
0:48
Speaker 1: can get the max amount of intelling discussion on these positions.
0:52
Speaker 1: So with that said, we did on Monday, Adam, we
0:56
Speaker 1: did quarterbacks running backs, really had some interesting discussion on that.
0:59
Speaker 1: I think in this episode when we do wide receivers
1:02
Speaker 1: tight ends, we start off right away with a really
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Speaker 1: interesting situation to go inside, right, and it starts off
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Speaker 1: with DeVante Smith, who is now the new number one
1:13
Speaker 1: for this team at wide receiver with the departure of
1:17
Speaker 1: AJ Brown through a trade. So I know you have
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Speaker 1: said in a recent podcasts he had signed a team
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Speaker 1: friendly deal that worked for both earlier in his career.
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Speaker 1: Now he's in the middle of it. At some point
1:29
Speaker 1: they're going to have to redo it to recognize him
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Speaker 1: as the number one. The question is, does it make
1:35
Speaker 1: sense to do that now, Adam going into this year
1:39
Speaker 1: or wait? Because when you wait after the year, right
1:43
Speaker 1: then you have to worry about what the market might
1:45
Speaker 1: look like. And there are some pretty good wide receivers Pickens, neighbors, Nakua, Flowers,
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Speaker 1: Addison who are all waiting for extensions that if any
1:54
Speaker 1: one of them have some great years, they could continue
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Speaker 1: to inflate the tag. So what say you? Adam Kapp
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Speaker 1: went on this situation with DeVante's.
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Speaker 2: Now, if he doesn't get a contract adjustment by started
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Speaker 2: training camp, I'll be shocked. I mean, his deal is
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Speaker 2: so undervalued. Like he sign a team friendly deal. Let's
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Speaker 2: call like it is. Okay, this is what our job is.
2:14
Speaker 2: We can call like it is. Yeah, he's signed a
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Speaker 2: very team friendly deal. Okay. This guy has been close
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Speaker 2: to perfect every year. He's been good, great hands, super character,
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Speaker 2: super competitive, He's everything you want. Now he's going to
2:31
Speaker 2: be their top passing target. Now you're seeing all the
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Speaker 2: Nico Collins got his contract adjustment right at the very least,
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Speaker 2: just until they get an extension done. You have to
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Speaker 2: do what the Texans do with Nico Collins. Collins is
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Speaker 2: a good player. He's not in DeVante's class, by the way,
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Speaker 2: not even close Towante's better football player. Collins is good.
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Speaker 2: He's been hurt a lot, but he's a good player.
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Speaker 2: He's gonna make They gave him guaranteed. He had no
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Speaker 2: guaranteed money next year. They took care of that. They
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Speaker 2: gave him adjustment this season. They're gonna get him up
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Speaker 2: to thirty million. Dvante's deal when he signed it right
3:06
Speaker 2: before the draft two years ago April sixteenth, twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 2: was the contract execution as I have it here, was
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Speaker 2: a three year extension worth twenty five million a year.
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Speaker 2: The way that the market was going was very undervalued.
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Speaker 2: And to me, if I'm Nicole lenn his his agent,
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Speaker 2: I'm not taking under thirty five million. Drake Lenon's not
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Speaker 2: even close as good as Drake. Lennon's a good player,
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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. It's a d threat. There's certain
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Speaker 2: things he does really well. But Smith has just been
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Speaker 2: a better football player from day from day one. It's
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Speaker 2: just it's just just the way it is. So London,
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Speaker 2: by the way, got one hundred and forty one million.
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Speaker 2: Like you said, it's like you could you could pay
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Speaker 2: him later, you could do it extential later. But there's
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Speaker 2: got to be to treat him with respect, like Eagles
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Speaker 2: took care of Saquon Barkley when they didn't have to.
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Speaker 2: I know, he had the best year in NFL history
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Speaker 2: from beginning to end running back twenty fours. Made an adjustment,
4:06
Speaker 2: but they've got to take care of him. The Eagles
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Speaker 2: are just great at the way they treat their players.
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Speaker 2: And b West has been on our show before, remember him,
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Speaker 2: he got his extension. He was very undervalued, very underpaid,
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Speaker 2: and they took care of the right thing. Yeah, so
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Speaker 2: I sure they have to do something by training camp
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Speaker 2: at least an adjustment.
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Speaker 1: Let's give the people an idea of what the market
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Speaker 1: looks like. First, Let's also talk about the overall. Let's
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Speaker 1: tell you you mentioned what DeVante Smith's contract is, but
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Speaker 1: what is it from an apy standpoint? Twenty million year,
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Speaker 1: twenty five million a year. Okay, so without saying where
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Speaker 1: that ranks, just to let people know. I mean, Jackson
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Speaker 1: Smith and Jig Budd just had a deal done this offseason.
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Speaker 1: He's about I believe he's around forty two million, maybe
4:53
Speaker 1: a little bit more than that. Jamar Chase is around
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Speaker 1: forty million. You just mentioned Jake Drake London at thirty five,
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Speaker 1: so DeVante's Smith is really likes. He doesn't even rank
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Speaker 1: in the top ten or fifteen. So that's whyfore down Yeah, right,
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Speaker 1: and then that market might look even bigger next year
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Speaker 1: at this time if one or two of those guys
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Speaker 1: that I mentioned, whether it's Pickings, whether it's Nikua, if
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Speaker 1: he can keep his head on straight, neighbor, I mean,
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Speaker 1: this thing might get to a point where the next
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Speaker 1: big guy to sign it could get to forty five million.
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Speaker 1: So that's why it makes a lot of sense. I
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Speaker 1: think you could actually, Adam, if you're the Eagles, give
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Speaker 1: Davante Smith an extension that includes a real bump in pay,
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Speaker 1: and then still wind up having that look like a
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Speaker 1: team friendly deal at some point after those guys that
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Speaker 1: I just mentioned reset the market, and you have already
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Speaker 1: taken care of Davante Smith and don't have to worry
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Speaker 1: about trying to get in there in echelon or neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: because it's very possible Dvante Smith can have like a
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Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and what type of year this year?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why, at the very least, there are a
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Speaker 2: lot of ways you could do it. You could do
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Speaker 2: it and adjustment. Now take care of him, which you should,
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Speaker 2: the Eagles should do, and then do an extension next
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Speaker 2: year when the when the deals go forty like you're
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Speaker 2: talking right now right with Jackson Smith and Jigba Jays said,
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Speaker 2: who you talked about. He broke the bank best contract
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Speaker 2: in NFL history by far in terms of average per
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Speaker 2: season forty over forty two million per season. Okay, now
6:25
Speaker 2: it's a it's a team friendly structure because the Seahawks
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Speaker 2: will not adjust at all, big signing bonus and then
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Speaker 2: lots of bells and whistles. The full guarantee of signing
6:37
Speaker 2: is where the club gets a little bit a break,
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Speaker 2: but the player and the agent get a they're over
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Speaker 2: forty two million. It's it's legit, I mean it is,
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Speaker 2: but by structure, it's Seattle structure. They won't change for anyone,
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Speaker 2: right and he goles there their big option bonus structure.
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Speaker 2: We've talked about one hundred times. Now again he's making
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Speaker 2: twenty five million the year. DeVante deal is outdated. They
7:01
Speaker 2: have to take care of him. It's just it has
7:03
Speaker 2: to happen. Something's got to happen. He can't be playing
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Speaker 2: on this and Drake line to make it thirty five
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Speaker 2: million year. Come on, Drake lenees not DeVante's class, not
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Speaker 2: even close.
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Speaker 1: No, no, I mean, yeah, they're different types of receivers.
7:15
Speaker 1: But you're right, and Davante, I think we all expect
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Speaker 1: to show well, we'll see the full Davante to be uh.
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Speaker 1: I did the math on him. Over the last four years,
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Speaker 1: he has averaged sixty five yards per game. This is
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Speaker 1: as a number two wide receiver and over a seventeen
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Speaker 1: game season that extrapolates to an eleven hundred yard season.
7:34
Speaker 1: He's only had eleven hundred yard once. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't think any of us would be surprised if
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Speaker 1: he is well over the eleven hundred get closer to
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Speaker 1: the twelve and thirteen hundred yard mark as Jalen hurts
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Speaker 1: his number one guy from a volume state.
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Speaker 2: That's why, right, that's why if you're if you're Davante.
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Speaker 2: You know, his roles, his past targets are going to
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Speaker 2: go way up. Yeah, because it's like him and then
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Speaker 2: everybody else. And that's the point I'm talking about this
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Speaker 2: is that it's just gonna go up, and you know
8:03
Speaker 2: it'll be I'll be interest to see what happens in August,
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Speaker 2: you know, late July, early August. If it goes like
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Speaker 2: it needs to go, that there's at least at a
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Speaker 2: minimum adjustment. If not before it doesn't happen. You can
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Speaker 2: do it anytime. They can do it tomorrow, you can
8:17
Speaker 2: do it in six weeks, but they have to do
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Speaker 2: the right thing by the player.
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Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see how well Sean Manion's scheme works,
8:26
Speaker 1: if it works, and if if they're able to create
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Speaker 1: a couple of more easier lay up catches for DeVante Smith,
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Speaker 1: because I feel like he earns every yard of that
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Speaker 1: eleven hundred and six yards that he gets per year
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Speaker 1: because he's contested catching, he's tight window catching. You know,
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Speaker 1: he takes hits and he lands on his shoulder, he
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Speaker 1: lands on his head, he lands on his knees. I
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Speaker 1: mean it's very rare. You see DeVante Smith just completely
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Speaker 1: wide open, unless he's just beating somebody over the top
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Speaker 1: like on a dagger. But even then that's because he
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Speaker 1: won the route right with with great route running. He's
9:01
Speaker 1: so precise with that. I'm curious to see if there
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Speaker 1: are just a few nice little play action layups where
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Speaker 1: he can just catch the ball over the middle, run
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Speaker 1: up the field, get some yards, maybe head out of bounds,
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Speaker 1: and not take as many hits as he's taken. Because
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Speaker 1: for all this to work at him, he's got to
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Speaker 1: stay healthy. And we know he's got a slight frame.
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Speaker 1: We know he's had some knee issues, and if you're
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Speaker 1: going to be a higher volume past target, then you're
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Speaker 1: also going to be a higher volume contact guy.
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Speaker 2: He's been incredibly durable, though I'll say this is about Davante.
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Speaker 2: He's been more durable than Drake Lennon. Drake Lennon's numbers
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Speaker 2: they're pretty good. Sure, you know. Now he's been their
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Speaker 2: X receiver, so that's there's bet in the two. You
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Speaker 2: have to understand the way that Drake Lennon was used
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Speaker 2: when he was their Z. Lonon's been their X, so
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Speaker 2: obviously he's going to get certain type of throws on
9:45
Speaker 2: your point where Davante was the z aj Brown was
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Speaker 2: the X. But now it's more about targets because you
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Speaker 2: vacated so many targets. It's DeVante Smith now as we
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Speaker 2: get through contracts and kind of sort of mix it
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Speaker 2: up here after DeVante, it's hard to cot Makayle Lemon
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Speaker 2: should be the second highest targeted player on offense. I
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Speaker 2: mean DeVante, I say should. He's a rookie, got to
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Speaker 2: learn the offense. He's going to play the slot position mostly,
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Speaker 2: and with this offense, when they go eleven, he's definitely
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Speaker 2: going to be inside. It's just a matter of because
10:28
Speaker 2: we don't have a book of many and he's never
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Speaker 2: called plays before. He also has to see what he
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Speaker 2: sees in training camp and how comfortable Lemon is? Who
10:34
Speaker 2: still want a hamster injury right now? And how how
10:38
Speaker 2: how they going to diversify the pass star good group
10:40
Speaker 2: here is it? How much you know, God, it's been
10:42
Speaker 2: mister red zone last season? Is he gonna Is he
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Speaker 2: gonna be used differently because we don't know. We know
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Speaker 2: there's in the West Coast offense. There are a lot
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Speaker 2: of inside passes, a lot of seam passes against cover three.
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Speaker 2: Certain certain zone coverages. That's big in with West Coast offenses.
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Speaker 2: So I'm really interested to see what happens here. But
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Speaker 2: again getting back to the contracts, it's Davante twenty five million.
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Speaker 2: When you look at that, and then it's it really
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Speaker 2: drops off. I m kayle Lemon's got his four years
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Speaker 2: plus the fifth year option. Yeah, Hollywood, Hollywood, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, another reason, they get it done
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Speaker 1: now and give Davante the money this year next year
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Speaker 1: in the answer, because the Eagles are paying almost no
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Speaker 1: money to the rest of their pass catching group. I
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Speaker 1: mean they're below market even Goddard right as a tight end.
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Speaker 1: We'll get into that, but like they're not paying a
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Speaker 1: ton of money because Lemon's on a rookie deal, Hollywood,
11:36
Speaker 1: Brown's on a one year deal. Dontavian Wix they traded for.
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Speaker 1: They give me an extension. It's nice, but it's it's
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Speaker 1: like number you know, four receiver money in the in
11:45
Speaker 1: the in the greater scheme of things, and then of
11:47
Speaker 1: course with Goddard and Stours and we'll get to the
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Speaker 1: tight ends. The point is the future of the Eagles offense.
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Speaker 1: Passing offense guys like Lemon guys like Stours Davante. Davante
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Speaker 1: is the only one who's who's making an he's not
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Speaker 1: even making top market money. So you have this ability
12:03
Speaker 1: to do it right now while you're waiting on Lemon
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Speaker 1: and Stours to develop. And you know, maybe they bring
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Speaker 1: in another wide receiver next year or the year after
12:10
Speaker 1: or something if they feel like they need it. But
12:12
Speaker 1: the point is they have the funds to do it
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Speaker 1: now and even next year with Brown's money coming off
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Speaker 1: the you know, the ability to split it because of the
12:19
Speaker 1: post ju one and next year it's all like totally off.
12:22
Speaker 1: Then they're good, they'll be fine.
12:24
Speaker 2: Well, the big thing for them is they move twenty
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Speaker 2: nine million this season it's fully guaranteed in cash, and
12:29
Speaker 2: twenty one million next year, which is not guaranteed, but
12:32
Speaker 2: only four million was guaranteed next year. But the big
12:34
Speaker 2: thing is they moved the twenty nine million off, they
12:36
Speaker 2: absolutely could take care of Smith and after that, like
12:39
Speaker 2: you said, don Tavian Wicks, they guaranteed nine million over
12:43
Speaker 2: two years. It's not a lot. The guarantee in year
12:48
Speaker 2: two and twenty seven is small. Where he's getting the
12:52
Speaker 2: guarantees basically with his signing bonus and the cat and
12:55
Speaker 2: the base salary. He's getting a lot of it in
12:58
Speaker 2: year one, so he's guaranteed to come back next year,
13:01
Speaker 2: depends how he plays. It's you're you're right, they've they're
13:04
Speaker 2: not really paying other than smitty. Marquise Brown will make
13:08
Speaker 2: five million fully guaranteed. Elijah Moore's contract. We should mention
13:11
Speaker 2: him because it's highly unlikely he'll make it. But if he,
13:14
Speaker 2: if he blows it up in training camp, he can
13:17
Speaker 2: make it interesting because they they could always use a
13:20
Speaker 2: backup slot. More More has no guaranteed money in his contract,
13:26
Speaker 2: but the one point three one five million he's got
13:29
Speaker 2: a We mentioned this is the last show. The Eagles
13:32
Speaker 2: love doing these with bottom of the end, bottom of
13:34
Speaker 2: the roster players. If he is active game one, if
13:38
Speaker 2: he's on the fifty three men roster and on the
13:39
Speaker 2: game day roster, uh in gay in week one, he
13:44
Speaker 2: earns seventy five grand when you only make it one
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Speaker 2: point three one five million. Ay, it's a little bit
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Speaker 2: of cash. Not bad?
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely all right, So good stuff there. That
13:54
Speaker 1: is a lookod and boy, if the Eagles again this
13:57
Speaker 1: is looking a little bit for it. If they wind
13:59
Speaker 1: up hitting Darius Cooper and he can be your number
14:01
Speaker 1: three receiver for you know, down the road or something
14:05
Speaker 1: like that. That's another guy on a rookie free agent
14:08
Speaker 1: deal who you can get production from. Theoretically, this is
14:11
Speaker 1: just me hypothetically speaking, because he had such a good
14:15
Speaker 1: camp last year and made the team. But if he
14:17
Speaker 1: winds up being that kind of player, that's another cheap
14:21
Speaker 1: cost efficient you know, labor that they get fun.
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Speaker 2: Yeah for this one this season, one point oh five million,
14:27
Speaker 2: no guarantees and yeah, he's guarantees were absorbing in year
14:33
Speaker 2: one and twenty twenty seven one point one two million.
14:35
Speaker 2: It's it's an undrafted three year deal. This is the
14:37
Speaker 2: way undrafteds are. Though obviously, if you've got some leverage
14:41
Speaker 2: with out clubs, you can get a little bit of
14:42
Speaker 2: guaranteed money. But so there's there's no guaranteed money left.
14:46
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're they're they're super cheap in terms of
14:51
Speaker 2: other clubs overall in terms of cash ode this season,
14:55
Speaker 2: not a lot.
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Speaker 1: this seems like a fun conversation about Dallas Goddard because
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Speaker 1: you know last year at this time, well, no, last
16:29
Speaker 1: year in the offseason, when we reported on the fact
16:32
Speaker 1: that god it was probably not going to come back
16:34
Speaker 1: unless it was under a pay cut. And that's what happened, right.
16:37
Speaker 1: We all felt that that one year deal was going
16:38
Speaker 1: to be the last year for Dallas Goddard. But then
16:41
Speaker 1: a weird thing happened that you and I didn't predict,
16:43
Speaker 1: was that they didn't draft last year his replacement. They
16:47
Speaker 1: waited another year. They finally did it this year, so
16:51
Speaker 1: Dallas it made sense to bring Dallas got her back
16:53
Speaker 1: for another year. Now, if they're bringing him back next
16:56
Speaker 1: year on a one year deal, that would be almost
16:58
Speaker 1: crazy crazy, you know.
17:01
Speaker 2: No, but you know what on that if he keeps,
17:03
Speaker 2: say after the scheme, and he stays relatively healthy. Now,
17:10
Speaker 2: you know, it's one thing in twenty eighteen they drafted Goddard.
17:13
Speaker 2: We knew when it happened that zach Ertz's day's were numbered.
17:17
Speaker 2: You're not going to pay two tenants. You're not doing that, Like,
17:20
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. And Zach eventually got traded
17:26
Speaker 2: and Godard after that got his first contract extension. If
17:29
Speaker 2: you recall he got it, I don't have in front
17:30
Speaker 2: of me. I think it was November of that year.
17:32
Speaker 2: It was after the trade deadline because they cleared out
17:34
Speaker 2: Zach cash. So you look at this situation, Goddard one
17:38
Speaker 2: year at seven million, as we noted back in February,
17:41
Speaker 2: as we learned at Super Bowl, the word we got
17:43
Speaker 2: was that there's a decent chance will come back because
17:49
Speaker 2: it helps him with a salary cap for him to
17:50
Speaker 2: be on the roster. They could keep him if they
17:53
Speaker 2: could bring him back. Now, what was surprising to me
17:56
Speaker 2: was only seven million, like he's making lesson he did
18:00
Speaker 2: year was one year and ten million, which he took
18:01
Speaker 2: a pay cut. He took over five million dollars pay
18:03
Speaker 2: cut on a career year. It's kind of weird, but.
18:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, the market wasn't great for tight end, right, it wasn't.
18:11
Speaker 2: No David, I'm just gonna mention Joko got he's gonna
18:14
Speaker 2: be the third string tight end for the Chargers for
18:15
Speaker 2: goodness sake. It's crazy because it was a on your point,
18:19
Speaker 2: it was a much better tight end class this year
18:21
Speaker 2: than last year for the draft. That that absolutely played
18:25
Speaker 2: into it. But they guaranteed seven million. And what we
18:28
Speaker 2: were told is he really wanted to be and he
18:30
Speaker 2: loves being here. He's really like living in Philly or
18:32
Speaker 2: wherever the heck he lives. So yeah, exactly, But so
18:38
Speaker 2: he'll make seven million. Now this is the one. We
18:41
Speaker 2: need to talk about this one because I know people
18:43
Speaker 2: are gonna because they have so many tight ends, how
18:46
Speaker 2: could they bring gran Grant Calcultary back. I was surprised,
18:49
Speaker 2: as everybody one year two million. They fully guaranteed it,
18:55
Speaker 2: signing seven hundred thousand. That's a lot. Now, it doesn't
18:59
Speaker 2: mean it's it's not guarantee he'll be on the roster.
19:02
Speaker 2: So they'd have to eat seven hundred thousand if they
19:03
Speaker 2: cut him. But the thing is if they use him
19:10
Speaker 2: the right way, because we've outlined I don't know how
19:13
Speaker 2: we did it. We showed the tape last year with
19:14
Speaker 2: Greg co Sell. They asked Kapataro to block in line
19:17
Speaker 2: way too much and the way they asked him to
19:18
Speaker 2: do it, and Kim lat who just didn't work it
19:21
Speaker 2: was just it didn't work. So if you could protect him,
19:24
Speaker 2: he could help you and he could run. Johnny Munt
19:28
Speaker 2: run year one point five million. He fully guaranteed it,
19:32
Speaker 2: signing half of it seven hundred and fifty thousand. He's
19:35
Speaker 2: going to be if he could, if he can move enough,
19:38
Speaker 2: he will be here to block. That's why he's here.
19:41
Speaker 2: He knows the offense man. You knows him for being
19:44
Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Munt is only playing in the West Coast
19:47
Speaker 2: office his entire career. It's kind of interesting, it's kind
19:50
Speaker 2: of rare. So you see why he's he's here, and
19:53
Speaker 2: then of course he sturs gets his four year rookie
19:55
Speaker 2: deal Stone Smart did get a two hundred and twenty
19:59
Speaker 2: five guarante. He did signing, but that that'll he's highly
20:03
Speaker 2: unlikely to be on the ruster. That'll service a practice
20:05
Speaker 2: squad guarantee more or less. Yeah, I don't see him
20:07
Speaker 2: being on the roster. Here's the question, how many tight
20:10
Speaker 2: ends could they keep with all these questions they have
20:12
Speaker 2: on the roster If the certain positions they're way too heavy.
20:16
Speaker 2: This is one of them.
20:17
Speaker 1: It certainly is. I feel like they can get away.
20:20
Speaker 1: You know, when we did our two early fifty three
20:22
Speaker 1: man roster projections. I felt like they could get away
20:25
Speaker 1: with Johnny Munt.
20:26
Speaker 2: Do we do a show? I know, Andrew, do we
20:28
Speaker 2: actually do one?
20:29
Speaker 1: I think we just discussed it, but you know I
20:33
Speaker 1: I think we both just kind of did our own
20:35
Speaker 1: in our head and thought like, how does Johnny Munt
20:37
Speaker 1: make the team if you're going to already keep stours
20:39
Speaker 1: and got it and you're going with like ten linemen
20:41
Speaker 1: and five quarterback or four quarterbacks. I mean, it just
20:44
Speaker 1: didn't the numbers didn't work out. And you look at
20:47
Speaker 1: a guy like Mutt and you say he was released.
20:49
Speaker 1: It's not like they had to sign him in free
20:51
Speaker 1: agency and outbit he was already signed because he was
20:54
Speaker 1: cut by the Jag. So what's the market going to
20:57
Speaker 1: be if he doesn't make the fifty three out of
20:59
Speaker 1: camp and you bring him back to the practice squad
21:01
Speaker 1: and elevate him and then maybe sign him to the
21:03
Speaker 1: fifty three one yet some space? So I still think
21:06
Speaker 1: that that's a that's that's a possibility. The question I
21:10
Speaker 1: also think, Adam, looking at this, especially from a contract standpoint,
21:13
Speaker 1: is to your point, if I could actually see that
21:16
Speaker 1: you've took me into seeing a scenario where god it
21:18
Speaker 1: could come back again for another year, but if he
21:21
Speaker 1: did not, if he didn't, who are your your tight ends?
21:26
Speaker 1: In twenty and twenty seven we begin with Stours and
21:30
Speaker 1: then it's like who who's after that? Like you have
21:32
Speaker 1: no idea, no got it?
21:36
Speaker 2: One year deal, Krapata, one year deal, one year deals,
21:38
Speaker 2: don't Smart, one year deal, Stowers. He's got a four
21:41
Speaker 2: year rookie deal. Cam Latu. His contract expires after the season. Okay,
21:47
Speaker 2: so an Aj Jenkins is back, but you know with
21:50
Speaker 2: his situation, he's signed a one year deal. So yeah,
21:55
Speaker 2: it's completely cleared out. Absolutely, there's a path for Goddard
21:58
Speaker 2: to come back. Howie has it history of not walking
22:01
Speaker 2: away from players at East drafted that are still playing well,
22:05
Speaker 2: where some people say the hell are you going to
22:06
Speaker 2: keep them? You need to turn the page. If the
22:09
Speaker 2: guy could play, you know, thirty one years old, which
22:12
Speaker 2: he turned to January. What if he if he's having
22:14
Speaker 2: a good year and stays healthy, relatively healthy.
22:16
Speaker 1: Right, and if the market once again, just for like
22:20
Speaker 1: this past year, just isn't great for Tyda. I was
22:23
Speaker 1: shocked by how bear the market get. I really thought
22:26
Speaker 1: that the djoku was going to be among the first
22:29
Speaker 1: like I was fifteen players aside. Did you say he
22:32
Speaker 1: signed with the Chargers?
22:34
Speaker 2: Yes, he signed, he signed, yeah he yeah he he. Uh.
22:37
Speaker 2: Let me see if I have his contract in front
22:39
Speaker 2: of me.
22:39
Speaker 1: Did he actually get less money than Charlie Kohlar who
22:42
Speaker 1: also signed with Yes.
22:44
Speaker 2: You did. Check this out, Charlie, that's whole are amazing.
22:48
Speaker 2: Three years, twenty six point three million.
22:54
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy has like thirteen career catches. That's unbelievable.
22:57
Speaker 2: They fully guaranteed the first two seasons. Okay, guaranteed seventeen
23:03
Speaker 2: million over two years. The guy. The problem is he
23:07
Speaker 2: he went to a team that already had isaa likely
23:11
Speaker 2: you know and Mark Andrew yeah, right right, he wanted
23:14
Speaker 2: to go to play. He's a good player, and there's
23:17
Speaker 2: familiar there's some familiarity with their coaching staff and with
23:20
Speaker 2: the Chargers.
23:21
Speaker 1: Right and Gads dadson can't blocks and they want to
23:25
Speaker 1: run back like McDaniel. They needed him.
23:28
Speaker 2: But you know, that's that's.
23:29
Speaker 1: Crazy, David and Joe.
23:31
Speaker 2: They're still not paying a lot to total to the position.
23:33
Speaker 2: And djok Wos signed one year, three just three million.
23:37
Speaker 2: He signed really late. He signed actually after the draft
23:40
Speaker 2: on May twelfth. Contract execution was May twelve, one year,
23:44
Speaker 2: three million, and they only guaranteed eight hundred and fifty thousand.
23:48
Speaker 2: Oh my, yeah, I mean, look at you're right, you know,
23:52
Speaker 2: it was a week year for tight end. But getting
23:54
Speaker 2: back to the Eagle situation, they're not paying a lot
23:57
Speaker 2: the total of their tight ends, they're not paying a lot.
24:00
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
24:01
Speaker 2: You make a really good point. Past the season, it's
24:03
Speaker 2: completely vacant other than obviously Eli Stowers, and they need
24:08
Speaker 2: to protect him. He's a ways away from being an
24:10
Speaker 2: accomplished blocker. If he ever gets there, they have to
24:13
Speaker 2: protect him. They have to do that.
24:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, all right, really interesting stuff, you know,
24:20
Speaker 1: And I do think that now now some of these
24:22
Speaker 1: additions sort of make sense to me. I wonder how
24:24
Speaker 1: he had an eye on two years down the road.
24:26
Speaker 1: You know, can Stone Smart spend a year on the
24:29
Speaker 1: practice squad and then become a number two and two
24:31
Speaker 1: years or maybe even E. J. Jenkins, who they've been
24:34
Speaker 1: developing for a couple of years. They're still gonna have
24:36
Speaker 1: to add to this position.
24:39
Speaker 2: They need why, yes, they also need to improve the
24:44
Speaker 2: quality around stours. If god Or's not back they think
24:47
Speaker 2: guys they need to develop, they just do it, you know.
24:52
Speaker 2: I hope we'll see about lat too. We'll see about
24:55
Speaker 2: lat too, whether he could develop, because last year he
24:58
Speaker 2: just was not giving a a good chance. But very
25:02
Speaker 2: interesting position. But one thing we've learned with great coaching
25:07
Speaker 2: watching Kyle Shanahan the number he did on the Eagles
25:10
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, you don't have to be very talented
25:12
Speaker 2: if you're a great schemer and designer. What he did
25:15
Speaker 2: to Fangio, I mean, I know VIC wasn't happy with
25:17
Speaker 2: the tackling and they were terrible against the Niners offense.
25:21
Speaker 2: I mean what what Juwan Jennings and Darius excuse me,
25:24
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Robinson did to them was insane.
25:26
Speaker 1: And Kyle by the way forty four yards or something
25:31
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I think he had his most tied
25:34
Speaker 1: for his most catches in the season in that game.
25:36
Speaker 2: So that's a great scheming. Design beats anything. You can
25:39
Speaker 2: beat any great defense and a great schemer like Vic
25:44
Speaker 2: who should go in the coaching Hall of Fame. But anyway, yeah,
25:48
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. This is gonna be a fun
25:49
Speaker 2: offense to track and can someone do a little bit
25:54
Speaker 2: better than we think like Hollywood Brown. Well, very interesting.
25:57
Speaker 2: See what his role is going to be?
25:58
Speaker 1: Same here, all right, So that's a look at our
26:01
Speaker 1: pass catchers. The big takeaway is Davonte Smith time to
26:04
Speaker 1: pay the reaper. The Raaper's coming. Should get a big contract.
26:08
Speaker 1: It should be this year, and we'll see how long
26:10
Speaker 1: it takes for the Eagles to get that done. In
26:12
Speaker 1: the next episode, we'll go through the offensive lineman. We'll
26:16
Speaker 1: go through interior offensive linemen and tackles, all that stuff
26:19
Speaker 1: and their kind of which will be very interesting because
26:22
Speaker 1: they've got some guys on team friendly contracts, some aging
26:25
Speaker 1: guys and then a lot of young guys. So well,
26:28
Speaker 1: that'll be a fun one. That's gonna do it for
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