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Week 15 News & Updates + JT Miller Panic Time?! + ROS Values | Fantasy Hockey Podcast · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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  Alright, Are you ready? Bound Bangor Management Fantasy
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  Hockey Podcast. Woo woo.
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  A moment of silence where Jake's woo would normally be.
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  Jake's Who is the worst of our three Who's anyways?
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  So that's true. Let the roasting begin.
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  Here. Yeah, so welcome into Bangor
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  Management, the fantasy hockey podcast.
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  As you may notice, Josh is doing the intro instead of Jakey
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  because he ditched us for Florida this week.
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  So. Spontaneously, he didn't tell us
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  he was just go next week, I'm not going to be here.
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  I'm like, oh, why? Why?
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  What's happening is like, Oh yeah, I'm in Florida.
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  Yeah, OK. And we were like, but what about
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  all the fans? Yeah.
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  And he said I don't care, but you know what?
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  Word for word. Yeah, that's exactly the
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  conversation we had. Anyways, so on today's episode
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  we will be discussing some news stories from around the league
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  including injury updates and of course the classic tidbits and
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  we will also be doing some would you rathers for rest of season
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  value. As long as the would you rather
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  master is here, those will happen.
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  All that matters, although we're not gonna have a tie breaker now
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  on our opinions, but you know. It's true I should have the
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  tiebreaker since I made. Them I think I could imitate
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  Jakey enough to or emulate how you would feel.
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  If we agree that Jackie usually doesn't agree with us.
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  That's true. Well, we agree we have the
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  majority anyways. But anyways, yeah.
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  Yeah, but before we hop into it, just want to remind everybody to
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  as well and rate US five stars if you haven't already and you
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  like to content. But yeah, let's get right into
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  it. All right, so first news story,
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  Val Nichushkin is out longer than expected.
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  He's practicing in a non contact jersey jersey, but the coach
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  said he could still be far from her return.
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  This one kind of confusing on the timeline.
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  He was supposed to be out only 7 to 10, and then that passed and
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  now the coach was saying some concerning stuff like, oh, we
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  don't know when we're gonna get him back, but at the same time
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  he's practicing. So it's kind of on and off.
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  I think it's going to be a type of thing where it seems like
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  he's out forever until one day he just magically appears in the
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  lineup. So in terms of who it affects,
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  it's really just that power play one spot.
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  It's right now. Did they shuffle up the?
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  Line in McKinnon and Joy and then line 2 centre is Rantanen
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  with Logan O'Connor on his right and I think it was Colton on his
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  left. Oh wow, that's interesting
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  because I was watching the game yesterday and O'Connor was on
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  for overtime and he got an assist.
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  On that I. Like him a lot of that overtime.
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  But he's a classic bottom six guy.
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  He's not supposed to be in the top 6.
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  Yeah, so I guess that's just a placeholder while on the
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  chickens out and then more interesting, I guess the power
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  play one right now, it's fucking Andrea.
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  I don't think there's any doubt 1-2 comes back, he bumps one of
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  them. I guess the question is which
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  one gets bumped? I think the more interesting
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  thing is how much Casey Middlestadt has followed in the
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  races. That's why you.
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  See did you see last game he got his first shift only in the
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  third period. No way are you?
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  Serious. You got his first shift only in
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  third period he was entering. The fourth line, that's crazy.
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  So that's got to be some like behind the scenes stuff I feel
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  like because. They traded a lot for him.
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  No, it's Byron. Yeah.
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  It was Byron plus a pic I. Think.
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  I think so. Yeah, so and then.
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  And he started off the season super well.
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  Yeah, but he was playing with great deployment, right?
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  And yeah, now he's kind of like falling from the graces a little
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  bit like he was on that P1 as opposed to all these other guys.
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  First, Yeah. And now they clearly don't like
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  him enough. So yeah, I think I'm gonna make
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  a move for Centre, to be honest. Yeah.
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  Or maybe just slots in right there?
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  He was skating, we're seeing. More videos of Landis cog
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  skating and he's looking. Nice.
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  Yeah. I think that's gonna be another
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  one where we just keep hearing about it for a while and then
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  one day he just appears. That's if he appears.
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  You know, it might that might be an LIRR.
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  And for the playoffs? Type of vibe.
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  I wish he was like on a relevant team in our league.
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  Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's better that he's not.
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  You know, if he comes back and starts killing it, it's better
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  that he's on the last place team than.
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  On a team held ransom. Be like I wanna play per game
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  play. Sorry.
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  Exactly. Anyways, yeah, so anyway, so
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  that's pretty much it for that one.
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  On to the next one. We've got Jake Walman back from
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  injury, back on power play 1 and that's just good for the entire
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  Sharks team. I don't think whatever was
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  replacing him on the power play wasn't fantasy relevant so.
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  I mean those Timothy Little, I think they like it with the J.
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  OK, I never know if the Jays are silent or not, but yeah, so he
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  was never fantasy relevant even while having that power play
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  spot. And honestly, there's a lot of
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  interesting guys on the sharks. I like these bottom tier teams
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  are always fun spots because there's kind of no pressure and
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  it's always the young guys kind of jump in.
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  But but yeah, anyways. Well, I mean, if he's.
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  Great for blocks, great for shots, and he's better on the
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  PowerPoint than any other defence when they have so.
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  Yeah, he was on pace for a great year, and now that he's back,
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  he's gonna be still on pace for a great year.
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  We've got Boone Jenner expected to return after the Four Nations
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  face off break. So that's pretty huge.
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  He's always been a banger league, kind of like stud.
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  He's great for shots, face off wins, hits, blocks and then
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  usually chips in some points. The only difference this year
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  than previous years will be 1. The fact that he missed most of
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  the season. So guys coming back from big
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  injuries like that, you know, won't necessarily start off as
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  hot. And then there's the fact that
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  Columbus has a bunch of new young guys who have taken over
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  the reins. You know, you've got that.
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  There's always cracking that line.
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  One full. Of the new guys that are kind of
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  like cemented their spot. There, Yeah.
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  So normally like generous kind of a lock for line one power
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  play one, but this year like I think I expect him to be more
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  line 2 power play too when he comes.
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  Back I can see even like I could see line 2 winger or line 3
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  centre, like I wouldn't be shocked.
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  Yeah, he's missed the whole season too, right.
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  So by the time he comes back, like I'd be shocked if they put
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  him back into like a heavy deployment kind of situation
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  right off. The bat The thing is that what
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  he's best for is the back cats and that.
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  Is the captain. Too.
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  That's it you know, So even if he doesn't get as good
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  deployment, he could see a drop in points but his back will be
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  solid. So I still like him as a stash
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  in a bangers league if you. Have the IR spot for like deep
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  deep bangers. League, yeah, yeah.
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  So that's the main interesting thing is that it was expected
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  that he'd be out for the season and the fact that they're
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  expecting him back late mid February is is pretty big.
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  He's a good start right now if you have the opportunity.
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  Yeah, we got Evander Kane underwent knee surgery in
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  addition to all the other surgeries he's been having,
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  including hip surgery. I wouldn't expect him back
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  before fantasy playoffs. And even that I think is a is a
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  bit of a stretch. I wouldn't expect it.
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  Think they're going to try like he's on LTIR right now and I
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  think they're going to try and use that cap at the deadline.
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  And so I think that, you know, if you have the R spot, you
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  couldn't stash him, but I don't think it's really gonna.
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  Amount to much. I are the whole season draft,
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  put him on IR like, you know, just kind of like a free pick
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  there and then. There's no harm in having him if
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  you have the space, but I wouldn't expect much.
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  If you're struggling for IR spots, he's an easy cut at this
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  point after this last injury. So yeah, just keep that in mind.
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  But fantasy playoffs, maybe. Yeah, I know you're hoping we've
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  got Charlie McAvoy on IR due to a nagging injury.
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  The coach said he'll miss this week and then be reevaluated.
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  And in the meantime, Mason Lori has taken a spot on Power Play
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  one. Is that how you say his name,
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  Lori? I think so.
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  In my head was Loray, but I also have not heard the commentators
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  say anything. So I've heard it, the
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  commentator say it, but they've got really thick Boston accents,
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  so who knows what it actually is.
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  But yeah, what do you think about the?
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  I mean, the McAvoy owner playing against you this week, I
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  definitely was not thrilled about this news.
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  I was. Yeah, I know.
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  I'm sure it kind of came as a surprise too, because we didn't
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  really have any news about this nagging injury.
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  I just assume everybody's playing on nagging injury.
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  Yeah, if he only misses a week, great.
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  The thing is for Macavoy is that we playing bangers league with
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  Pimms and he's elite for that because he's arguably one of the
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  best defensemen Pimms guys. It's not like a radical gudis
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  or. Whatever of the best guys who's
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  like not a pure bangers guy who also can get.
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  Yeah, like he gets a lot of Pimms, surprisingly.
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  I guess it just means he's kind of undisciplined.
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  Great for fantasy, not great for the Boston Bruins.
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  But his power play production has been basically nonexistent
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  this season, which is really surprising.
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  I mean, I think he was primed for bounce back because Boston
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  has been just. Bad.
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  Do you think there's any chance that when he comes back he
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  doesn't get the power play one? Spot back, there's a chance of
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  that. For sure if they do well in his.
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  Even rotated him out like in practice lines and yeah, those
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  games, like he'll be on PC, you or whatever, they're kind of
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  changing things up to see what clicks because they're not
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  scoring. On them.
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  That's it. So so I think if if Laurie does
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  well, you know, that's definitely an interesting watch
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  this guy for now. And if he pops off on the power
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  play, I wouldn't just assume that when McAvoy comes back,
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  he's losing that spot. So he could be an interesting
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  pick. Up the the main thing is just
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  keep an eye on Lori or Lorie or on that P1 and just see if they
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  end up being productive because that's the only reason why you
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  would pick them up. Yeah.
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  Got Roope Hintz's day-to-day. He was questionable to return to
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  the game so shouldn't be too bad, but looking at the stars
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  lines on a daily face off, he is not in the lineup.
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  They currently have Johnston on that top line with the Robertson
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  and Dadonov, so that could be a pretty, pretty big blow to Hints
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  owners. Who gets bumped to P1?
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  I'm saying Duchene getting bumped to P1.
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  So that makes the most. Sense yeah.
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  So that's pretty huge for Duchene.
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  He was pretty amazing to start the season and he lost a ton of
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  value on Sagan. Went out for the season and
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  Marshman and Marchment has been out for weeks.
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  True. And but now if he's on that
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  first power play unit, he's already got I think like four or
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  five points in his last like 3-4 games.
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  So he's he's definitely the one who benefits from this.
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  Yeah, keep an eye on him because he's kind of been, I'm gonna use
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  this term again from previous episodes, but he's been a
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  squishy kind of player, Yeah, where he's easily kind of gets
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  banged up or as a hint previous hints owner.
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  Sorry I can't English. It's like classic hints where
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  you know he's fine and then doesn't come out for warmups and
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  he's not playing the game. It kind of happens all the time.
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  So whenever he gets hurt, I'm always kind of like red alert a
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  little bit. Yeah, it tends to be usually
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  more serious than expected, but keep an eye on it.
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  We didn't actually get a chance to like CD injury.
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  Yeah. But hopefully it's not too
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  serious and it was just like end of the game, no reason to risk
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  him, Yeah, type of thing. Dylan Guenther is out
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  indefinitely. That's Josh.
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  Dylan has taken his spot in the lineup for now.
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  Yeah, that was really out of nowhere.
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  And the fact indefinitely, you know, we've seen indefinitely
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  mean all season. We've seen indefinitely mean
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  like a week. When they put indefinitely right
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  off the bat, that's when it's scary.
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  Yeah, that's true. Because if they're like, oh, we
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  evaluated, it's like week to week.
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  And then, you know, they evaluated again, they're like,
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  oh, it's worse than we anticipated.
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  His progression is not going well then OK.
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  But if it's definitely right off the bat, usually it's not really
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  good. News.
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  Yeah, that's like. Month to month in my mind.
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  Yeah, I think it's a bit more a bit more vague than that because
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  like I said, like I mean Ghost is very recently was
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  indefinitely and he came back after like a week and a half.
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  So it definitely happens. Yeah, he was out.
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  For super short time, being a little bit more mysterious with
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  their. Injuries, yeah, but regardless,
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  that's a big loss for Utah and for the Utah, as we like to say
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  Utah and but Josh Stone coming in and has a power play point
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  goal in his last three games. So it was on A5 on three.
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  So I'm not like 2 putting too much jumping on the band again
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  just yet, but he's definitely a watch list guy because he seems
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  to be the one they want to put on that first power play unit as
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  long as gathers out. So Nick Smoltz got bumped up
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  right to line one. Yeah, exactly.
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  I mean, I think we're going to talk about Logan Cooley on other
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  episodes this week, but I think he is like praying for a sick
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  rest of season. Yeah.
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  He's like, if it was a guy that I could get on my roster, he's
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  owned in like less than 50% of leagues right now.
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  He's gonna be line 1P1 playing with Clayton Keller.
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  And there are other best line mate, Yeah.
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  I don't think this is. I don't think that's because,
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  again, they're being. Out.
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  No, no, definitely not. But he wasn't always on line 1.
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  Yeah, I think he was. On either.
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  He was online. Well, the power play, one thing
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  has been for a while now and we've seen him like be great
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  ever since that change. That's been like for months.
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  But the line 1 is because Gunther's out because they like
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  to having Colin Gunther together on Line 2 and they would put
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  hate on line 1. So, yeah, so that he's got
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  better regular even strength deployment with Gen. throughout.
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  Yeah, but the main thing, just keep an eye on Josh.
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  Don't see if he can make things happen.
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  If not, they'll probably switch him for somebody else.
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  But that's it. Profanity.
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  Yeah, I saw Charlie Lindgren on IR.
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  Not sure how long he'll be out, but I also just saw recently
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  that he's I think traveling with the team.
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  So I wouldn't expect to be too long.
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  But as long as he is out, Logan Thompson's getting all the
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  starts. He's not going to get any.
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  He's not gonna get the back to backs obviously, but other than
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  those, he's gonna get all the starts until he gets back.
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  And Thompson's been amazing. So this just increases his value
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  as until then comes back. Yeah absolutely.
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  If holding lingren, like if you have an IR spot, drop them if
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  you don't have an R. If you have an IR spot, feel
• 12:33
  free to stash them. If you don't just drop them.
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  I wouldn't feel bad about it. Yeah, Aaron Ekblad is
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  day-to-day, but this is one of those long day to days that's
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  been lasting for a week. Nate Schmidt has taken his spot
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  on power play one. Forsling will never get power
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  play one. I know we've mentioned it last
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  week on our ad hole drop. And I think what I've seen is
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  that Paul Morris, that's it. Well, you, this is a legend.
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  But no, what I've seen is that Palmaris really likes Forsling,
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  but he thinks he's too valuable to kind of like, spend time on
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  the power. He'd rather use his ice time
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  defensively than on the power play.
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  Yeah, I know that's I'm saying like it's not a like a them
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  saying. That he can be a.
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  That's exactly. The time I time somewhere.
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  Else exactly. And I think they figured that
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  their power play is not the type that relies on the defensemen
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  because their forwards on that power play are so good.
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  So they figure they can plug in any third line defensemen to be
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  the power play quarterback, and then Forcing's time could be
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  used more valuably on defence. They're not wrong, honestly so.
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  Yeah no it's a good real life move but it sucks for fantasy.
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  But anyways keep an eye on Schmitt if he starts doing well
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  on the power play. Could be worth a stream until.
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  Comes back, yeah. I mean, I'd be shocked, but
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  yeah, keep an eye on it, yeah. GT Miller had a really low ice
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  time. Yeah, this is the last news.
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  We'll talk about it. Yeah, the biggest one.
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  Maybe this is the one non injury related 1 and it is huge.
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  Yeah, he's had way lower ice time.
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  I saw you had 13 minutes last game and I think the game before
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  that he was at 14 minutes. A guy like Jean Miller should be
• 13:56
  playing 20 plus minutes a night. So this is a crazy low amount of
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  ice time and no power play time, and we're saying is this panic
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  mode? Team owner, I am fully
• 14:06
  panicking, right? Now, but you can't sell low on
• 14:08
  Himalayan based on this. I mean, you could, you could
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  sell. Him a bar where you could sell
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  them and I would strongly consider that at this point
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  because I think he's getting it traded.
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  Yeah, but I mean the trade should increase his value.
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  Mean count your worst if he's playing 14 minutes.
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  Here, Yeah, exactly. I think all the signs are
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  pointing towards a trade. I think it's going to be the
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  Rangers. That's pretty much the main
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  destination. If the Rangers didn't have such
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  a bad playoff schedule for us, for our fantasy playoffs, then
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  would be all over trying to buy Loan Miller.
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  Yeah, The thing is that if he ends up, the Rangers have two
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  games in the finals and then three games in both the semis
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  and the quarterfinals, which is by far the worst schedule yet.
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  So I don't want to buy low. On him like highly relevant
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  fantasy assets. Too, But I've been avoiding all
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  of them. And so that's why Miller's kind
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  of on my avoid list right now just because of the playoff
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  schedule. But if you if you're on
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  different playoff weeks or you're focusing on just pure
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  value, I think he's a great. Buy low.
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  I mean, listen, like the last two games at the time of this
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  recording, they played model, they beat them 30.
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  He had two shots. He played 13 minutes.
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  Yeah. Then last game they played
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  Winnipeg, they got wrecked 6/1. He played 14 minutes.
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  He had two shots. Yeah, people already had three
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  assists that game. Yeah, I know across the board.
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  Yeah, so. It's just one of those things,
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  like if you could flip them right now, like you're you're
• 15:24
  selling low. How low are you going?
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  Let me give you some names. You tell me.
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  OK. Would you rather have JT Miller
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  rest of the season or Elias Pettersson?
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  That's a Dick Miller. Really.
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  Yeah, I. Would take better than.
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  Really. Wow, you're usually so high on.
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  Miller I know I am high on Miller, but I just.
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  You don't think that this all points to a trade and then
• 15:43
  immediately his value jumps back to where it should be?
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  Yeah, but I think when he gets traded, Peterson's value goes up
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  too. For sure, but I mean baseline
• 15:50
  Miller's like ceiling is higher than Peterson.
• 15:53
  Cuz when's trade deadline like couple months down?
• 15:57
  Usually beginning of March I think.
• 15:59
  OK, so there you go. So that's.
• 16:01
  In a while, yeah, that's fair if you're.
• 16:03
  Waiting first round Pick on your team for that long.
• 16:06
  If you could flip him for something good, but it's not
• 16:08
  like Peterson been doing well. That's what I'm saying.
• 16:10
  So it's kind of like. A.
• 16:11
  So I take that. Like sell low back.
• 16:13
  Yeah, so I take Miller over Peterson because they're the
• 16:15
  exact same situation and they're gonna get good at the same time,
• 16:17
  but Miller ceiling is higher. Do you think you can flip Miller
• 16:19
  for like Adrian Kempe? I think you definitely could,
• 16:23
  but I think that's, uh, I still think I prefer Miller to
• 16:25
  campaign and I like camping a lot and I know you're super high
• 16:28
  on him. I think like what you'd have to
• 16:29
  do with Miller if you're if you have him and you can't be
• 16:32
  patient, cancel is pretty solid. But I think you could, yeah, at
• 16:37
  this point. But I think you could try and
• 16:38
  like still get one of the top top guys because Miller still
• 16:40
  has that name and. He has no production, even when
• 16:43
  he was playing 20 minutes. He just have to sell.
• 16:44
  You just have to sell the other person on the whole, him getting
• 16:47
  traded and going back to the player he's supposed to be.
• 16:49
  Because like I said, I would be very happy to buy Miller and
• 16:52
  Pretty well for him, Eichel. I think Eichel this year has
• 16:56
  shown that he's worth like a first rounder who's playing like
• 16:59
  a first rounder. Yoshi's been pretty garbage
• 17:01
  lately too. That's a, I mean forward for the
• 17:03
  swap. Yeah.
• 17:05
  Pretty crazy, yeah. We're not spend too much time on
• 17:07
  this, but yeah, just keep it in mind.
• 17:08
  And yeah, I mean, if I'm a Miller owner, I mean, you got 2
• 17:13
  point of views here. I think I'm a little bit more
• 17:14
  worried than Josh's, but it's all leading towards the trade,
• 17:17
  right? So just depends when that.
• 17:18
  Happens for me, it's just if you see when I see a high end player
• 17:21
  like that doing so poorly, like I'm like a shark, like circling
• 17:25
  the water, you know, like I'm dying to like Bill on.
• 17:27
  That you're trying to blow, not trying to.
• 17:28
  Sell. That's it.
• 17:29
  Exactly what for what? His perceived value.
• 17:31
  Is. Yeah, exactly.
• 17:33
  All right. Time to get into the Would you
• 17:35
  rather the rest of season right? What you rather master?
• 17:39
  I think I cooked up some really good ones.
• 17:41
  Alright, let's. See.
• 17:42
  Did you look at them? You see them?
• 17:44
  I see them now. OK, I like giving a fresh.
• 17:48
  Reaction. Yeah, I tried to go one for each
• 17:50
  position. Nice.
• 17:51
  Thank God you were here because you would not have known what
• 17:53
  that meant. OK, start off with the goalies.
• 17:57
  Stuart Skinner or Demko? I'm going with Skinner here.
• 18:02
  I think first of all, looking at the team, I'm way more confident
• 18:06
  in Edmonton than Vancouver. Vancouver's kind of like a mess
• 18:09
  lately. So I think team wise that's a no
• 18:11
  brainer. Demco is obviously the better
• 18:13
  goalie than Skinner I don't think.
• 18:14
  I don't think there's much there, but Skinner's on a better
• 18:17
  team. Demko has actually been
• 18:19
  splitting starts with Lincoln in, so he's not even the clear
• 18:21
  starter. Banged up.
• 18:22
  But that's it. So that kind of ties into it.
• 18:24
  It's his injury history. The fact that Likens shown he's
• 18:27
  a reliable 50%, you know, 1B, whereas Skinner has Calvin
• 18:31
  Pickard as competition. So to me I think it's clearly a
• 18:34
  Skinner, which is crazy because preseason I would have said
• 18:36
  Dumbo 100% even with the injury. I'm also on Team Skinner so I
• 18:41
  think Jake would have probably been Team Demco.
• 18:42
  Yeah. But I just think Skinner is
• 18:46
  gonna probably get more starts, more wins.
• 18:49
  I think his save percentage and goals against average is
• 18:52
  probably gonna be a little lower, though, which, I mean,
• 18:55
  counts for a lot when talking about the quality of a goalie.
• 18:58
  Yeah, but I think he's just gonna end up getting more, more
• 19:02
  top quality, the wins and stuff from a better team.
• 19:04
  Agreed. Alright, next one.
• 19:06
  This is spicy. Yeah.
• 19:07
  Dougie Hamilton or Lane Hudson rest of season.
• 19:11
  You know, I think I actually am going to in one of our other
• 19:14
  episodes this week, mentioned Lane Hudson as a cell high, but
• 19:18
  I'm fully on the Lane train. He is so, so good.
• 19:22
  I can't, I can't help it, you know, I'm so reluctant.
• 19:25
  I'm so reluctant to like praise a hab in fantasy because I'm so
• 19:30
  used to the Habs like disappointing me in real life
• 19:32
  and us not having any elite players.
• 19:35
  But Hudson is an elite player. I think he's going to have those
• 19:38
  ups and downs of being a rookie. I think that's just inherent
• 19:41
  with any rookie. Like they're not going to be,
• 19:42
  you know, super consistent. But the fact is he's at like
• 19:45
  1.15 points per game over the past month, which is insane.
• 19:49
  He's got power play one on lock and just if you watch him like
• 19:52
  just like the eye test, it's unreal.
• 19:54
  He I saw a stat that. Said it was for so much of the
• 19:56
  success. Pretty much most of our offence
• 19:58
  seems to come from him and I saw a stat that recently that said
• 20:01
  that he has the most. Completed passes in the slot
• 20:05
  like in of the offensive zone of any defenseman this year.
• 20:08
  That's which is a crazy, you know, like all you need is good
• 20:11
  finishers to finish. These passes entries are insane.
• 20:13
  Yeah, and the power plays looked really good with him and line up
• 20:16
  on him. So he's the one knock on him is
• 20:19
  he has zero peripherals. Like he doesn't shoot much and
• 20:21
  he doesn't like hit at all and blocks are not really there.
• 20:24
  But his points and PowerPoints are so unreal that.
• 20:27
  Exactly what you expected Luke used to be last season.
• 20:30
  Exactly. That's pretty much it.
• 20:32
  Was doing this without the. Yeah, exactly.
• 20:34
  No, 100% true. And now yes.
• 20:37
  And Dougie Hamilton has been pretty bad lately.
• 20:39
  I mean, that whole devil's team has been really bad lately.
• 20:41
  They. I mean they were due for some
• 20:42
  regression for. Sure, every minute, but they
• 20:44
  over regressed I think. I think now they're due for some
• 20:46
  regression in the opposite direction, so I think they are.
• 20:49
  Clicking. Yeah, but I mean, also like
• 20:51
  they've been getting shut out left and right.
• 20:53
  Like they really a team with that offensive firepower should
• 20:55
  not be getting shut out as often as they are.
• 20:57
  So I do think Hamilton will be better than he is now, but I'm
• 21:00
  definitely on Lane Hudson train for the rest of the season.
• 21:03
  I think the debate here is it in the block for negligible.
• 21:05
  I think Hamilton will get like an extra hit a game which is
• 21:07
  definitely noticed like a worthy for the basement and the shots
• 21:11
  are gonna be pretty. That's the biggest difference,
• 21:13
  is there? Should be like A2 shot
• 21:14
  difference basically almost, which is pretty significant.
• 21:16
  So I think the points difference has to be pretty substantial for
• 21:20
  Hudson to make up for the difference in value of the
• 21:22
  consistent of two extra shots and an extra hit a game, right?
• 21:25
  Yeah. So do you think that they will
• 21:28
  reach that differentially point? Difference point per game.
• 21:32
  I think he hovers around a point per game for the rest of the.
• 21:34
  Season. That's nuts, right?
• 21:35
  Yeah, he should be around there. Yeah, like Doggie has no
• 21:38
  PowerPoints in the last month. Yeah.
• 21:39
  Is that .54 points per game? Yeah, it's crazy.
• 21:42
  What happens if they get back to you?
• 21:43
  Like on normal power play where it's like .3 he gets back to .8.
• 21:47
  Yeah. Like does Hudson finish at point
• 21:50
  8.85? If you think they're going up at
• 21:53
  similar points, I definitely would.
• 21:54
  Take it then you should take doggie, right?
• 21:56
  Because you're getting better peripherals.
• 21:57
  Yeah, but I think, I think Lane gets a significantly more
• 22:00
  points. That's tough.
• 22:04
  I wanna, I wanna my mind, says Dougie.
• 22:06
  My heart says Hudson. I don't know what.
• 22:10
  I don't know what to do. We need Jake.
• 22:11
  You're Jakey would fully go Lane Hudson. 100%.
• 22:14
  Alright, so Lane Hudson it is, but I think we have to consider
• 22:17
  when you're making these options, you're doesn't have
• 22:20
  hits or blocks. It's not even a question.
• 22:24
  The more peripherals your league has, the more in question this
• 22:28
  decision is. All right.
• 22:29
  Next one is Josh Norris versus Sam Bennett.
• 22:33
  I'm going Norris. I've been I've been trying to
• 22:35
  trade for Norris we all months, but.
• 22:37
  Like all, I think just me and you.
• 22:39
  But he's been so bad, it's crazy.
• 22:41
  I haven't we haven't been able to like pull the trigger on this
• 22:43
  but but. Yeah, 33%.
• 22:45
  I know, it's crazy. People are looking down on him.
• 22:48
  A little bit, yeah. And both Norris and Bennett
• 22:50
  started off the season super hot and were super cold for the past
• 22:53
  month, whereas Norris is now showing signs of life, but it is
• 22:56
  still cold. But I think he will bounce back.
• 22:58
  They're both the exact same what type of player, which is why
• 23:01
  this great would you rather? They're both centres who are not
• 23:05
  necessarily the biggest points guys, but they're great for
• 23:08
  bangers in terms of Pimms shots, face off wins and hits.
• 23:12
  So they're both guys you're always happy to have on your
• 23:14
  squad in a bangers league, but you would hope that they would
• 23:16
  chip in with points more than they have been recently.
• 23:18
  North used to be a more like mainly points.
• 23:21
  Yeah, yeah, he definitely turned into more of a complete Bangor
• 23:24
  player. But I mean, the thing with
• 23:27
  Norris is they're very clear correlation with why he wasn't
• 23:30
  doing well. He got loaded to the third line
• 23:31
  for some reason which makes no sense and he was doing very
• 23:34
  poorly. Then he gets moved back up to
• 23:35
  line one with Batherson and Ketchup and all of a sudden.
• 23:38
  He was always pick you one. Right.
• 23:39
  He was always P1, yeah, which is another good sign.
• 23:41
  Bennett never gets people. Exactly.
• 23:43
  So Norse's deployment is gonna be better.
• 23:45
  And the fact is, now that he got back on first line, he's got
• 23:47
  three points in the last three games.
• 23:49
  So I think it's a deal. I've been like nonstop going for
• 23:53
  him. We'll see.
• 23:55
  We'll see who outbids each other, if the if the guy will
• 23:57
  trade with either of us. But.
• 23:58
  Fortunately, we are aligned once again.
• 24:01
  Yeah, we're always targeting the same guys.
• 24:04
  No, but I just mean like, I don't know.
• 24:06
  I feel like I don't know. I feel like we should be more
• 24:10
  not in a line on these pics. I know what your others.
• 24:13
  Yeah, just means Jake Jakey kept the balance, you know?
• 24:16
  Yeah. Try to anyways.
• 24:18
  Yeah, alright, maybe, well, we got 2 more left, maybe we won't
• 24:20
  agree on these ones. All right.
• 24:21
  Next one is Zach Hyman versus Jason Robertson.
• 24:25
  I'm gonna go with Robertson on this one.
• 24:30
  I'm like, I'm I've been trying to buy Robertson too.
• 24:32
  I tried to buy him when he was garbage and the guy wouldn't do
• 24:35
  it, so there's no way he's gonna trade him now.
• 24:36
  I didn't try to buy when he was garbage, and then I tried to buy
• 24:39
  him a like, as soon as he started having like 2-3 points,
• 24:42
  Yeah, a couple games in a row where he had points, I was just
• 24:44
  like, alright, I'm in. Yeah.
• 24:45
  And then it's too late, it feels like.
• 24:47
  Yeah, but even the manager didn't tell you.
• 24:49
  Was that I'm saying he didn't want to sell him in our league
• 24:51
  like he was low, But yeah. And I think we recommended a few
• 24:54
  times for him to be a buy low. So if you grabbed him when he
• 24:56
  was low, then you're laughing your way to the bank if you did.
• 24:59
  And I do think it's too late because at this point, the
• 25:01
  premium you have to pay for him, it's just not worth it.
• 25:03
  You know, like you would just have to give someone who's
• 25:05
  equally good. But yeah, Robertson over human
• 25:07
  for me for sure. I mean, preseason, I think
• 25:10
  everyone would have said Robertson, but I guess it's
• 25:11
  close because I'm in a pretty crazy year.
• 25:13
  Last year I. Think Robinson gets more points.
• 25:15
  I think Hyman gets more shots. Yeah, Hymnal get more hits.
• 25:19
  I think Robertson gets more power play points.
• 25:23
  Yeah, the Edmonton police been a bit disappointing.
• 25:25
  This. And I think blocks and hits are
• 25:26
  probably negligible. Yeah.
• 25:28
  And also Robertson has a better playoff schedule.
• 25:30
  Yeah. So those are the things that I'm
• 25:32
  keeping in mind when I'm looking at these players.
• 25:34
  I think they're very close. I think they're both pretty
• 25:36
  elite fantasy assets at this point right now.
• 25:38
  Yeah, I would be happy with both of them, but Robertsons woken
• 25:40
  up, and I mean, at the start of the season, like everyone was
• 25:43
  saying, one of the reasons why he was starting off slow was
• 25:45
  because he missed all of training camp with his foot
• 25:47
  entry, which is a factor, which is definitely a factor and shows
• 25:50
  that, you know, like a good player like that doesn't say bad
• 25:52
  for an entire season. They'll turn it on you.
• 25:54
  Like, it's tough if you have to hold on to him for months before
• 25:56
  getting this production, but once you're here, you're not
• 25:58
  gonna get rid of him. Yeah.
• 26:00
  So I really want Robertson on my team.
• 26:02
  If you can get him, I would say go for.
• 26:03
  It Yeah. But it's gonna be harder now
• 26:06
  because he's turned it up. Yeah, alright, last one.
• 26:09
  Last one, Jordan Kyrou versus Kirill Marchenko.
• 26:14
  I'm going Marchenko for sure. Insane.
• 26:18
  Can't we agreed on all of them? That's that's super boring, but.
• 26:21
  This one I thought was like the the more like easy choice.
• 26:26
  Yeah, to me, this is an easy one.
• 26:27
  I mean, we were talking about Marchenko as a cell high on a
• 26:30
  previous week's episode and our targets were way.
• 26:32
  Higher than Cairo I still. No, no, I I fully agree with him
• 26:34
  as a cell high, but I mean, when you're selling a guy like that
• 26:36
  high with the way he's been playing for months, you're
• 26:38
  targeting like a first, second round guy.
• 26:40
  Yeah, Kyra is great, but he's not.
• 26:42
  You can just get much. Better shots and points.
• 26:45
  He's not a hit on Cairo, it's just more on how insane
• 26:48
  Marchenko has. Been exactly, Yeah, if you have
• 26:51
  Marchenko, you're probably thrilled because he's he's
• 26:54
  pickup of the year and 100. Percent, you know, there's no
• 26:56
  one, I think that could even come close.
• 26:58
  Man, I wish we disagree on any of.
• 26:59
  These Yeah, well, let's just say that Jake chose the other one
• 27:03
  for all. Of them, Jake is just like
• 27:04
  Jordan. Kyrou has a better name and you
• 27:06
  didn't pick him up off waivers. So, yeah, OK, cool.
• 27:09
  Good luck. Yeah, we disagree.
• 27:11
  We disagree with you strongly, and that was a terrible opinion.
• 27:14
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• 27:19
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