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Friday Mornings with Jack Windsor - Sherrod Brown's REAL voting record · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: 8.29 on a Friday. Happy Friday. We've got some great
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  Speaker 1: plans going on this weekend. Yesterday, we heard about the
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  Speaker 1: Concours de Vue, which is going to be at DeVue
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  Speaker 1: Park on Sunday. Get details at 55KRC. com, where you'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to find the podcast of the conversation we're getting
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  Speaker 1: ready to have right now from the OhioPressNetwork.com. Jack Windsor,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back, my friend. It's always a pleasure having you
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  Speaker 1: on the 55KRC Morning Show.
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  Speaker 2: Brian, always an honor and a pleasure to be here
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  Speaker 2: with you and the listeners. Thanks for choosing me today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a bit of a fly in the ointment
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  Speaker 1: for so many people, asking legitimate questions and pestering them,
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  Speaker 1: looking for records and documents and exposing some great stuff
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  Speaker 1: throughout the week. Just go to theohiopressnetwork.com, bookmark the spot,
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  Speaker 1: and check out what he is following throughout the week.
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  Speaker 1: Let us pivot over. Campaign pledges. Everybody wants to lower
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  Speaker 1: the price of gasoline, and we know that there is
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  Speaker 1: a way that you can lower the price of gasoline,
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  Speaker 1: which is artificially by eliminating the gasoline tax, which is
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  Speaker 1: for the Ohio roads and infrastructure, which means you don't
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  Speaker 1: have money flowing in to keep the roads in a
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  Speaker 1: state of repair. So says Governor DeWine, we cannot afford
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  Speaker 1: to get rid of the gas tax in Ohio. Although
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  Speaker 1: Vivek Ramaswamy and Amy Acton are both advocating for that.
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  Speaker 1: So where is Jack Windsor on this and who gets
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  Speaker 1: credit for coming up with it first? Because Tom Zawistowski
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  Speaker 1: is on the program on Tuesdays and he said, I've
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  Speaker 1: been telling Ramaswamy, I don't know if he's got his ear.
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  Speaker 1: But I've been telling Ramaswamy he needs to advocate for
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  Speaker 1: getting rid of the gas tax, getting rid of the
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  Speaker 1: gas tax. And I think the credit has been given
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  Speaker 1: to Amy Acton for being the first to come out
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  Speaker 1: with the idea, only to be immediately followed by Ramaswamy.
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  Speaker 1: Have I got the order of things right, Jack?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you have the technical order right.
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  Speaker 2: Acton called for a gas tax holiday on Monday with
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  Speaker 2: no length, meaning 90 days, six months, a month, nobody knows.
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  Speaker 3: No length, no price tag.
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  Speaker 2: And then Ramaswamy stood up with a 90-day plan, a
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  Speaker 2: legislative vote scheduled for next Wednesday. And as you mentioned, DeWine,
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  Speaker 2: who negotiated the 2019 increase, called a gas tax holiday
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  Speaker 2: a very grave disservice when that idea came up in
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  Speaker 2: the spring. So Monday, Acton's campaign release called for an
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  Speaker 2: emergency gas tax holiday. And again, no duration, no cost,
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  Speaker 2: no funding source, no bill, no Democrat on record saying
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  Speaker 2: that's a great idea. We're going to work to support that.
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  Speaker 2: And DeWine's office responded the same day. The governor cannot
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  Speaker 2: suspend the tax is the gist. It takes legislation and
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  Speaker 2: without an emergency clause, the law waits 90 days. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Monday night, Ramaswamy releases a 90-day plan with legislative leaders.
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  Speaker 2: And Wednesday morning, he held a press conference at the
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  Speaker 2: Ohio chamber with Speaker Huffman, Senate President McCauley, which is
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  Speaker 2: his running mate. And the cost estimate is somewhere between
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  Speaker 2: $ 640 to $ 700 million dollars. But he's identified funding sources,
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  Speaker 2: unspent ODOT money, general revenue. And then don't forget about
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  Speaker 2: Ohio's almost $ 4 billion rainy day fund. Diesel sits at $ 6.
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  Speaker 1: 77 a gallon.
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  Speaker 2: So the short answer is I am all for it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why later.
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  Speaker 1: So Amy Acton's plan is nebulous. It doesn't have a
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  Speaker 1: finite period of time. And I would argue that, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the reason for that is because we don't know
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  Speaker 1: when we're going to get the relief from the war.
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  Speaker 1: Will the war be settled next week? And actually, the
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  Speaker 1: price of gasoline and diesel presumably will reduce just because
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  Speaker 1: the supply chain will open back up. But the challenge is,
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  Speaker 1: as you pointed out, there's got to be a compliance
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  Speaker 1: with the law. This can't be an immediate gubernatorial action
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  Speaker 1: because of the 90 days that you post. So Ramosomi
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  Speaker 1: actually comes up with a legislative proposal that they're going
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  Speaker 1: to actually be working on. So something concrete. Have I
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  Speaker 1: got that right, Jack?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And what I heard from Amy Acton is she's got
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  Speaker 2: this thingy, and in about two weeks, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: flatten the price curve of gasoline.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Give me a break. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Thingy. Thingy. Well, also, here is something, and I know
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  Speaker 1: there's a few listeners out there screaming at the radio,
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  Speaker 1: $ 640 to $ 700 million. That'll be the toll taken on
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  Speaker 1: the roadway fund when we suspend this gas for 90 days.
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  Speaker 1: I just have to observe that is suspiciously close to
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  Speaker 1: the $ 600 million we're giving the Cleveland Browns to build
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  Speaker 1: a damn stadium. Which money came from the unclaimed funds fund,
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  Speaker 1: which is, I think, at $ 3 billion. So a rainy
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  Speaker 1: day fund over here, unclaimed fund, pile of money, which
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  Speaker 1: apparently can be used to build stadiums. Could it be
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  Speaker 1: used to offset the gift that we're given to waive
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  Speaker 1: the gasoline tax, Jack?
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  Speaker 3: So those are, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, right? I mean, well, it can't now because it's
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  Speaker 3: already been committed. I understand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. No, but your point is legitimate. A couple
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  Speaker 2: of things here I want to make sure.
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  Speaker 3: We get through.
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  Speaker 2: So immediate effect requires an emergency clause, which– is two-thirds
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  Speaker 2: of each chamber, 66 votes in the House, and Republicans
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  Speaker 2: only have 65. So in February, an emergency clause on
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  Speaker 2: a tax bill got 63 votes on the first try.
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  Speaker 2: It passed a week later at 89 votes after Democrats
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  Speaker 2: came on board. Huffman said he will not call the
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  Speaker 2: session unless the votes are already there. The Senate needs 22.
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  Speaker 2: Republicans have 24 in that chamber. The bill has not
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  Speaker 2: been formally introduced yet. I've got to look at it,
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  Speaker 2: read it, the whole nine. But a couple of things
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  Speaker 2: that you pointed out, we're looking at a bill of
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  Speaker 2: six hundred and forty to seven hundred million dollars. Well,
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  Speaker 2: ODOT has an amount that they're carrying over. DeWine has
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  Speaker 2: requested that number. That number has not been provided to
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  Speaker 2: me yet. I'm curious to see what that number is.
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  Speaker 3: We also have the general. What's that?
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  Speaker 1: I said wildly curious.
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  Speaker 3: Wildly curious.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the other part. And it's important.
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  Speaker 2: Ramaswamy pointed out one point six billion dollars. is what
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  Speaker 2: Ohio is ahead of projection. So we are trending again
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  Speaker 2: for a third year, being billions of dollars above projection.
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  Speaker 2: So the idea is, if we can take some of
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  Speaker 2: the ODOT carryover, if there's already the Rainy Day.
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  Speaker 3: Fund, oh, and by the way, we might have excess
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  Speaker 3: money of about $ 1. 6 billion.
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  Speaker 2: And let's not forget about the fact that lawmakers, Auditor
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  Speaker 2: Keith Faber here in the Buckeye State over the last
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  Speaker 2: year and a half have identified somewhere in the ballpark
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  Speaker 2: of $ 4 to $ 6 billion a year that does not
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  Speaker 2: get proper oversight in Ohio's Medicaid system. So that is
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  Speaker 2: another safety valve. And I think the story here is
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  Speaker 2: people want relief. This can provide relief going into the election,
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  Speaker 2: going into the holidays, and there probably is money there.
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  Speaker 3: That's what the vote is.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be all about. It's going to be about
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  Speaker 2: the dickering, the negotiations. And so we're going to have
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  Speaker 2: to keep our eyes on whether there's a session called Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: because you better believe if Huffman calls the session, he
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  Speaker 2: has the votes.
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  Speaker 1: The money is there. Just a question, simply a question
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  Speaker 1: of where it's being placed. So if you have a
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  Speaker 1: giant money's fungible, isn't it, Jack? Miss, we always view it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a giant. Effectively, it's a giant pile of money.
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  Speaker 1: And so, you know, reducing the input to one particular
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  Speaker 1: pile of money when you've got fat, giant quantities of
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  Speaker 1: piles of money elsewhere that you're not using. I think
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  Speaker 1: we're entitled to some relief, Jack Windsor. Let's see if
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  Speaker 1: it happens. 8.36, we'll talk about Sherrod Brown's voting. KRC,
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  Speaker 1: the talk station. It's 8.40 at 55 KRC, the talk station.
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  Speaker 1: It's Friday. Happy Friday. TheOhioPressNetwork.com as we find Jack Windsor
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  Speaker 1: and the reporting he does throughout the week. Quite investigative reporting.
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  Speaker 1: And real quick, since we were talking about all these
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  Speaker 1: piles of money that were being revealed to us as
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  Speaker 1: we contemplate maybe getting a little relief from the gas tax,
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  Speaker 1: at least temporarily, I don't know if, I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: saw it, Auditor Keith Faber came out and said that 3%
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  Speaker 1: of the Highlands on Medicaid weren't even eligible and that
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  Speaker 1: millionaires receiving Medicaid. If you look at 3% of the
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  Speaker 1: total $ 40 billion annual spend on Medicaid, $ 1. 2 billion going
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  Speaker 1: out the door that shouldn't go out the door, Jack.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if whether we get to keep that
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  Speaker 1: or that's federal money that needs to be returned or
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  Speaker 1: some mix of it, but you know what? Just stopping
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  Speaker 1: one area of fraud in state government is enough to
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  Speaker 1: cover double the nut of the gasoline tax relief there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, you know, I'm going to go down a
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  Speaker 3: road here.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't plan on going down, but I think it's
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  Speaker 2: important to point out Vivek Ramaswamy has stood up three
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  Speaker 2: separate times with plans. If you remember, he talked about
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  Speaker 2: a data center plan. He talked about the gas tax
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  Speaker 2: holiday plan. But let's think back to when he talked
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  Speaker 2: about Medicaid waste, fraud and abuse. And his plan was
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  Speaker 2: to work with Washington, D.C. to actually flip the percentage.
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  Speaker 2: If Ohio, for example, finds waste, fraud, and abuse, they
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  Speaker 2: keep $ 0. 35 on every dollar. His plan, and my understanding
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  Speaker 2: is he's working out that deal with D.C., is that
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  Speaker 2: if Ohio finds a dollar of fraud, we keep $ 0. 65
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  Speaker 2: and the feds.
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  Speaker 3: Keep $ 0.
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  Speaker 1: 35.
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  Speaker 3: And you go, why would they do that? Well, I'll
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  Speaker 3: tell you why.
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  Speaker 2: Because nobody's dealing with it now. Nobody's clawing it back now.
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  Speaker 2: And so- This, again, is a third time that Vivek
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  Speaker 2: Ramaswamy has stood up with a plan to solve a problem.
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  Speaker 2: And in this particular instance, wouldn't it be great if
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  Speaker 2: we actually did do the clawing back and that money
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  Speaker 2: paid for the gas tax holiday? And oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: we fixed the system that allows the waste, fraud and
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  Speaker 2: abuse to go on.
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  Speaker 3: Ad infinitum.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe use the money for property tax relief after
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  Speaker 1: the gas crisis goes away, Jack. It's just, bottom line,
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  Speaker 1: it's a funding mechanism that we could put in place
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  Speaker 1: to stop fraud, waste, and abuse, and also help pad
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  Speaker 1: the books in Ohio's budget, make it easier for the taxpayers.
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  Speaker 1: That could also serve as maybe a vehicle or foray
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  Speaker 1: into reducing the income tax. I mean, if there's revenue
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  Speaker 1: sources all over the place and they exercised a slight
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  Speaker 1: measure of increased fiscal responsibility when it came to their expenditures, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, not paying for a football stadium. Jack,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that really irks me to no end.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up a Browns fan and I'm still pissed
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  Speaker 2: about it. You know, I'm like, where's my 600 million?
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  Speaker 2: I do a better community service than the Cleveland Browns.
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  Speaker 2: All they do is cause heartache every Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Yeah, well, at least at the Bengals,
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  Speaker 1: quite often we at least get a slight glimmer of
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  Speaker 1: hope only to be left feeling miserable by the end
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  Speaker 1: of the season. Either way, private sports owners should not
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  Speaker 1: get the benefit of the taxpayer dollars. Okay, that's it. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: moving away. Sherrod Brown's got a voting record. It's almost 100% Democrat.
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  Speaker 1: So if people tell you that he's not an evil, loony, left-wing, woke,
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  Speaker 1: come communist ideologue, then you shouldn't believe him because that's
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  Speaker 1: the way he's going to vote anyway. Jack, isn't that
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  Speaker 1: what we've been left to believe and understand based on
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  Speaker 1: his record?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to go from the big point
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  Speaker 2: and then we can get more granular. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: do it opposite of the way that I would have
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  Speaker 2: planned to do it. The bottom line is Sherrod Brown
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  Speaker 2: voted with Joe Biden 94 percent of the time. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: 97 percent of the time votes Democrats, 94 percent of
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  Speaker 2: the time. And you go, well, OK, are those votes important? Well, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they really are. In 32 years of votes, he's voted
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  Speaker 2: in one direction. In 2024, he backed the, remember this,
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  Speaker 2: the Shrinkflation Prevention Act, which tells the Federal Trade Commission
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  Speaker 2: to police how many ounces a company puts in a
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  Speaker 2: bag of chips.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So they want to run your chip business, right?
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  Speaker 3: The people who are sitting.
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  Speaker 2: On $ 40 trillion of debt are going to tell you
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  Speaker 2: how to run your business. Think about that.
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  Speaker 1: As if I can't read a bag's label and see
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  Speaker 1: how many ounces are in there and decide for myself
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  Speaker 1: whether $ 5 for 11 ounces is worth it when it
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  Speaker 1: used to be $ 5 for 16 ounces. I need a
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  Speaker 1: government to take care of that for me, Jack.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's insane.
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  Speaker 2: And then the Husted campaign has documented four votes, 2013, 2015,
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  Speaker 2: and 2021, where he voted against blocking a carbon tax.
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  Speaker 2: the National Association of Manufacturers put an Ohio carbon tax
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  Speaker 2: at 123,000 jobs. That's what it would cost. And he
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  Speaker 2: voted to raise taxes on Social Security benefits. 569,000 Ohioans
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  Speaker 2: by Houston campaign's.
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  Speaker 3: Count were affected by that.
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  Speaker 2: And on the border, he said in April, I support
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  Speaker 2: closing the border to people so they just can't cross
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  Speaker 2: the border at will. Against a record, the Houston campaign
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  Speaker 2: lays out as he votes against sanctuary city enforcement, against
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  Speaker 2: deporting criminal aliens, against wall funding, plus his own comment
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  Speaker 2: that he was open to decriminalizing illegal crossing. He voted
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  Speaker 2: yes on the American Rescue Plan, yes on the Inflation
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  Speaker 2: Reduction Act, no on the 2017 tax cuts. And the
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  Speaker 2: number that ties it together is he voted with Joe
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  Speaker 2: Biden 97% of the time. And don't forget, the Democrat
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  Speaker 2: Socialists of America are running that party. He is a
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  Speaker 2: rubber stamper. He will vote where the party tells him
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  Speaker 2: to vote.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we're now painfully aware of the cognitive decline
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  Speaker 1: of Joe Biden behind the scenes that they all knew about.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of makes you kind of wonder who actually was
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  Speaker 1: calling the shots while Biden was president, doesn't it, Jack?
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: And I will bring it into today. It makes me
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  Speaker 2: wonder who's going to control the puppet strings of Amy
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  Speaker 2: Acton as elected governor. Let's make no mistake. She's not
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  Speaker 2: qualified to be a director of health. How in the
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  Speaker 2: hell is she qualified to be governor? Well, because David
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  Speaker 2: Pepper is going to do the bidding and all the
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  Speaker 2: work behind the scenes. It's to me Joe Biden 2.0.
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  Speaker 1: Amen, Jack Windsor. Don't go away. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about news agencies dealing with Donald Trump's problems with the, well,
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  Speaker 1: media kicking people out of the press pool. Jack Windsor
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  Speaker 1: on that one finally. Coming up, it's 846 at 55KRC,
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  Speaker 1: the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: 55KRC.
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  Speaker 1: Quick test. The talk station. It's a 49 at 55
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  Speaker 1: care CD talk station. One more segment here with Jack
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  Speaker 1: Windsor from the hot press network.com. Just have to observe though.
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  Speaker 1: I heard the Eric Conroy. I saw Eric Conroy yesterday
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  Speaker 1: at the, the NRA bus event at a 22, three
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  Speaker 1: firearms on route 42 between Mason 11. And I like Eric.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's a good guy. I didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: he said he's a, a drinks beer and eats getter
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  Speaker 1: for breakfast. Do you think that's, that's the breakfast combo?
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  Speaker 1: Or do you think that he's meant to convey that
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  Speaker 1: message separately? We're regular folks. We drink beer and separately we,
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  Speaker 1: We eat Ghana for breakfast, or is that the breakfast
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  Speaker 1: of champions? Jack Windsor, I don't know. We had George
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  Speaker 1: Brennan on the program talking about health and politics earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you should have posed that to him. Eric, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not giving you a hard time. It is Friday.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to have a little fun before we
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  Speaker 1: get to the battle between the press and Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor, back on track.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So a federal judge ordered the White House to return CNN, MSNOW,
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  Speaker 2: and Politico's press passes this week. And I have a
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  Speaker 2: dog in this fight. And it's because in December 2020,
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  Speaker 2: Columbus Monthly, which was owned by the Dispatch back then,
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  Speaker 2: published a list of reasons that DeWine should bar me
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  Speaker 2: from his press conferences. So in my view, same issue,
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  Speaker 2: not a single standard from the press, which to be
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  Speaker 2: candid is my biggest issue. Let's have a standard. Let's
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  Speaker 2: follow the standard. Hard stop. But it's not that simple.
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  Speaker 3: What happened?
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  Speaker 2: September 18th, Trump announced the ban on Truth Social, citing
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  Speaker 2: fiction and lies. Saturday, the Secret Service took the reporter's
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  Speaker 2: passes at the gate. Monday, the outlet sued. Tuesday night,
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  Speaker 2: after 10 p.m., four days after the ban, the White
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  Speaker 2: House sent the outlet's letters for the first time, listing
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  Speaker 2: reasons and offering an appeal, and objections are due today.
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  Speaker 2: But Wednesday, Judge Timothy Kelly, a Trump nominee confirmed 94-2
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  Speaker 2: by the Senate in 2017, held a 45-minute hearing, and
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  Speaker 2: Thursday morning, he ordered the passes returned for 14 days
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  Speaker 2: in an eight-page ruling.
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  Speaker 1: Leaving the status quo in place until the final decision
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  Speaker 1: can be rendered based upon the evidence and the briefing
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  Speaker 1: and the law. What he has done is said, listen,
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  Speaker 1: the likelihood of success on the merit, it leans with
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  Speaker 1: the press. So someone's going to win, and based upon
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  Speaker 1: my review of the law with a temporary or permanent injunction,
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  Speaker 1: or with a temporary injunction being discussed here, I've got
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  Speaker 1: to figure out down the road who does it look
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  Speaker 1: like is going to win. So likelihood of success on
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: the merit goes over to the press. Ergo, the ban
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: is paused. That doesn't mean it won't be revoked again, though,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: because they could go another way after briefing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And so to your point, due process will likely win out,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: which is why we are where we are. Trump's lawyers
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: did not dispute that the outlets did not receive notice
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: and an opportunity to be heard before the passes were pulled.
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  Speaker 2: That's part of the process that they're contesting. And the
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: appeal process was created after the revocation. So Kelly called
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: the White House's standards so vague it hardly does the trick.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's this national security argument, but nothing in
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: the record that predates this suit suggests that the revocation
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: of the plaintiff's hard passes was motivated by national security concerns,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: is what the judge said. Trump's own announcement cited negativity
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: and truthfulness, and the stories that they cited, CNN's report
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: on a bunker under the East Ballroom, an MSNOW report
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: on a leak investigation, a Politico story on ballroom funding
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: and Secret Service security spending, stories on Iran munition stockpiles,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Russia sanctions, a $ 1 billion East Wing funding request, and
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: bad vibes at the Republican convention in Dallas, and on
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: and on and on. But Judge Kelly called them routine,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: and some months to years old. And most of the
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: reporters who wrote them did not hold hard passes. So,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a little bit of a challenge with
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: how they're moving forward with this.
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  Speaker 3: But the law is pretty clear. Two D.C.
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  Speaker 2: Circuit cases set the process, Sherrill v. Knight in 1977.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, we all remember Acosta, the Acosta case
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  Speaker 2: in 2018, which Kelly also decided. Kelly at that hearing
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: said the process that the court laid out in those
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  Speaker 2: two cases wasn't followed here. The Sherrill rule is a
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: pass can be denied only for reasons unrelated to the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: content of the reporting with notice, a chance to respond,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: and a written decision. In March, Judge Paul Friedman voided
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: the parts of Hegseth's Pentagon press policy that let the
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Pentagon revoke credentials based on reporting. So, It's going to
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: be interesting to see where this goes. If a story
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: does venture over into a risk to national security, you know,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: that's a different ballgame. But as it stands right now,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I think as somebody who's had his press credentials revoked,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's meritless.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but I think it's meritless.
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  Speaker 1: Is every news organization like is U.S. News in there?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Is CNN in there? Is Al Jazeera in there? Would
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: they be invited in if they asked to be in there?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's an exclusive group of select individuals because
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: they can't have 150 reporters just videoing the same thing.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Isn't that right, Jack, effectively what that is? It is.
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  Speaker 2: It is. And so the people who have that right
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: are the ones that stick together. And that was my
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: other argument. The companies inside the rope protect each other.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: But would those companies protect me? Would they protect Daily Wire?
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Probably not. And so then it goes back to the argument,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: what is the standard? Have we defined the standard? And
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: are we honoring the standard? And until we have that
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: honest discussion, we're going to go back and forth based
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: on the content of the reporting, which should never be
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: the standard.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Understood. Elections have consequences and administrations do change. Let's get
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: this all squared away before, oh, I don't know, Alexandria
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Ocasio-Cortez becomes president. Jack Windsor, TheOhioPressNetwork.com. Follow him throughout the week.
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• 19:14
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• 19:17
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• 19:20
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• 19:22
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• 19:23
  Speaker 3: It's always an honor to be here. Thank you, brother.
• 19:25
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