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Mega Edition: The Virginia Roberts Deposition That Helped Expose Epstein And Maxwell (Part 7-9) (7/11/23) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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We're going to continue with the Virginia Roberts deposition in
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this episode, and we're going to pick up exactly where
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we left off, Menager, How long did you work at
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mar A Lago, Virginia? Best of my recollection? It was
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a summer job. I believe it started in June, and
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I think I only worked there approximately two weeks, two
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three weeks. How many hours a week did you work Virginia?
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I want to say it was. I want to say
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it was a full time job. Manager. Do you recall
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it being a full time job Virginia? It was a
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summer job. But just thinking back, my dad used to
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bring me in and bring me home, so he worked
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full time all day so and I didn't lounge around
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mar A Lago, So yes, I think it would have
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been a full time job, Menager. And how much did
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you make per hour? Virginia? Approximately? I think I remember
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making nine dollars an hour, Menager. The bracelet nearings you
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got for your birthday? Some birthday on Little or Where
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was that birthday party at Little Saint James Edwards objective
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form manager? Where was it Virginia at Little Saint Jeff's. Menager, Okay,
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where are those bracelet and earrings now? Virginia. I left
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everything behind me when I went to Thailand. Manager, Where
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did you leave them? Exactly? Virginia. I had a storage
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facility and my apartment that I lived in, Menager. So
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where were they in the storage facility or in the apartment? Virginia?
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Most likely in the apartment. Menager? Okay? What apartment was that? Virginia,
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Royal Palm Beach. I don't know the address. I'm sorry, Menager.
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You don't know the address at all, Virginia, not at all. Menager? Okay.
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Where was it roughly located in Royal Palm Beach, Virginia.
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I don't know. It's been a long time since I
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been back to Royal Palm. I don't remember street names
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or anything like that. Menager. Did it have one or
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two bedrooms? Virginia? It was two bedrooms, Menager. Was it
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on the first or the second floor? Virginia the second floor? Menager?
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Who lived with you? Virginia? Redacted first lived there with me,
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redacted and I broke up shortly after living there, and
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redacted lived there with me. Menager, Okay, and that's the
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apartment that you left when you went to Thailand, Virginia. Yes, menager.
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Did you live at more than one apartment with redacted?
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Virginia When I was a runaway, he let me stay
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at his apartment, menager. Was that a different apartment, Virginia? Yes, menager?
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All right, so you lived at redacted's apartment when you
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were a runaway, Virginia, correct, menager. And did you live
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anywhere else other than those two apartments with redacted? Virginia.
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We stayed at Redacted's parents' house, I think for a
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few weeks before the apartment manager, Okay, the apartment that
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you rented, Virginia, the apartment that redacted rented. I think
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I was too young to get on a lease. Manager. Well,
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all right, we'll come back to that in a minute.
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But the apartment that you left in two thousand and
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two was the one in Royal Palm Beach that you
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lived at originally with redacted, and then after breaking up
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with redacted, redacted lived there. And that's the one we're
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talking about, Virginia. Correct, manager, that's the apartment we're talking about, Virginia.
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That's not the one that she's interrupted by manager who
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says okay. Virginia responds, sorry, I'm confused. Could you please
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reask the question? Manager, All right, I asked you where
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you left your bracelet or earrings? You think you Virginia interjects, oh, okay, yes,
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Manager left them in the apartment, correct, Virginia okay, yes, yeah,
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not the one, not the first one, the one where
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Redact that eventually moved into. Manager, that's the apartment where
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you left the bracelet and the earrings at Virginia, I
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believe so, yes, Menager. So when you were working at
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mar A Lago you rolle with your father every day?
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Virginia yes. Manager. What car did he drive at the time, Virginia,
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I don't know. Manager. Okay, did you have a vehicle
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of your own at the time? Virginia no. Manager. Did
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you have a driver's license at the time, Virginia, Yes.
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I got my permit when I was fifteen and got
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my driver's license when I was sixteen, Menager, And how
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were you paid by cash or check or some other method? Virginia,
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I don't remember. Manager. Did you have a bank account
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at the time, Virginia, I don't think I've ever had
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a bank account, well up until recently. Living here. I
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don't remember having a bank account manager, so you believe
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you got paid by unknown means and you did not
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deposit it into a bank Virginia, correct, Menager. What was
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your uniform when you worked there, Virginia at mar A Lago? Menager? Right?
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It was a white mini skirt with a light white
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polo top with the emblem of mar A Lago on it.
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Virginia replies, Menager. Did they give you more than one?
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Virginia answers. I don't know, maybe, Menager. Did you wear
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it to and from work every day? Virginia, yes, Menager.
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Did you get new ones when you arrived that were
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clean or did you launder them at home? Virginia? I
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would have to watch them when I got home, I suppose, Menager,
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And you think you had more than one, or you
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don't recall, Virginia, I don't recall, Menager, all right? Was
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that something you purchased or did they give it to you? Virginia.
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They gave it to me, Menager. Who else was wearing
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that uniform? Virginia the other locker the lady that did
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the front desk next to the locker rooms manager, she
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had the same one. Virginia yes, Manager, was that Adriana Virginia.
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I don't think Adriana wore a uniform. I think she
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just dressed professional. Menager. Okay. And what other employees did
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you see there at the spa at the time when
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you worked there, Virginia? There were well, this is in
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the massage area, and there's also like a fitness area,
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so there's a spa and fitness so there would be
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the messuses and then there would be the trainers. And
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that was just located in the one area away from
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the main house and stuff. Menager. And is that in
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the area in which you worked, Virginia, yes, Menager, in
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the spa or the fitness area, Virginia. The spa and
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the fitness area were in the same complex, Menager. Okay.
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What did the other people who worked in the spa
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area where, Virginia, I don't remember what they wore Menainger,
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all right. What did the people in the fitness area wear, Virginia,
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I don't remember. I know it was we had our
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own uniforms. Everyone else had their own Menager. Who is we, Virginia. Well,
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the girls that worked to the meet and greet area,
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me and the other girl with the curly hair I
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told you about Menager. Uh huh. Virginia had our own uniforms,
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and then the fitness people had their own uniforms, and
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the messuss had their own uniforms. Manager, what did messus's
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uniforms look like? Virginia, I don't remember, Menager. No recollection
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at all, Virginia, none whatsoever? Menainger color Virginia no, sorry,
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I remember mine? Menager. Okay. How did you come to
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pass that you were no longer working at mar A
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Lago in two to three weeks, Virginia. I was approached
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by Glene Maxwell. Menager, okay. And how long have you
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been working at mar A Lago when you were approached
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by Glene Maxwell Virginia roughly two to three weeks Menager, Okay.
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Were you in the spa when you were approached by
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Glene Maxwell, Virginia. I was just outside the locker room,
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sitting where the other girl that works there usually sits.
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She was away from the desk, and I was reading
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a book on massage therapy, Menainger. Was that indoors or
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was that outdoors? Virginia outdoors? Menager? Okay? And what were
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you in the sun or in the shade Virginia in
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the shade underneath. I don't know what you'd like to
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call it, but you know underneath the complex the building, Menager,
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all right. And what was Glene Maxwell wearing when she
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approached you, Virginia, I don't remember what she was wearing, Menager,
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any recollection, color of clothing or anything, Virginia no, Menager, Okay,
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any details about her? Was she carrying a purse or anything? Menager? No,
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she looked like from my memory, she looked like she
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was either there for a massage or fitness. I remember
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she had a British accent. She was very interested in
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the book that I was reading. I mean, we can
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get into some more details later if you'd like, but
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I don't remember any more about what she was wearing
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that day. Manager. Did you have a cell phone at
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the time, Virginia No. Manager. Where were you living at
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the time, Virginia at my parents, Manager, And who else
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was living there with you at the time, Virginia my
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mother and my dad and my brother Manager. Which brother? Answer? Redacted? Manager?
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What about the other brother, Virginia, I think he had
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moved out by then. Manager. What forms of communications did
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you have just a home phone number or what, Virginia answers, Yeah,
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there was a home phone. Manager. When did you recall
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ever getting a cell phone? Virginia. The first cell phone
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I ever got was the one that Gleayne gave to me, Menager,
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So you never had your parents? Did they have one
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when you were working at mar A Lago, Virginia. No,
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My dad used to like, we had phones in the
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spa and maintenance and so on and so forth, and
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you could so to speak page people from around the courts. Manager. Okay,
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so tell me what do you recall of the first
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conversation that you had with Gleane Maxwell, Virginia. I'm sitting
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there reading my book about massage therapy as I'm working
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in the spa and I'm getting my ge. Well, I
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was in the process of getting my ged before I
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went to my summer job. I decided that I would
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like to become a massage therapist one day, and the
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body really intrigued me. You know, reading this massage was
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a lot about anatomy, blood flow, everything to do with,
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you know, touching somebody somewhere and then triggering a result
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somewhere else. I just was very intrigued by the whole
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anatomy thing. She came up. Glaine, sorry, Glaine came up
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and approached me at the desk that I was sitting at,
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and my book was like this indicating and she said, oh,
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you're reading a book about massage. You want to do massage?
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And I told her, yes, you know, I'm very interested
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in it. One day I would like to become a
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messuse manager. All right, where did you get the book
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on massage? Virginia? Maybe the library menager maybe or you
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don't recall Virginia. I don't think I purchased it, so
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i'd have to say the library manager. Okay, what library
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was that, Virginia? Whichever library was close to my house? Manager,
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do you remember a library being close to your house?
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There's one in Wellington that I used to go to.
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Oh no, there's one in Royal Palm. Yeah, there's one
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in Royal Palm and Wellington, and I used to go
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to both. Manager. Did you have a card for both Virginia?
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Did I have a card? Manager, a library card Virginia? Yeah,
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manager for both places, Virginia to be able to rent
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out a book, yeah. Manager. Okay, So, to the best
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of your recollection, is you used one of your library
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cards at one of those two libraries to check out
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a book on massage an anatomy, Virginia correct, Menager, And
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what did you do that relative to starting at mar
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A Lago. Probably within the first week. I mean I
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saw what the massage therapist got to do. I mean
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their jobs were so relaxing. The music like the atmosphere,
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they always had happy clients. It just seemed like an
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ideal job, Menager. And so you were spurred on to
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go to the library and check out a book, Virginia. Well,
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I had been talking with the other massage therapists and
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they're the ones who first intrigued me about what they do,
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and you know, I wanted to aim for something higher
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than being a locker room attendant one day. And yeah, Menager,
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what was the name of the massage therapists that you
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were speaking with, Virginia. Oh, I have no idea, Menager.
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Can you give me a physical description of any of them, Virginia,
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there was one who had blonde, short hair. There was
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I would say there's probably about four massage therapists that
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worked there, So I mean I don't remember remember all
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of them. Meninger. Okay, what time of the day was
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it Edwards objects to this and objects to form. Virginia
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then responds, afternoon, Menager, How late, Virginia, anywhere between two
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to four? Menager? And what time did you get off
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of work, Virginia, I believe I got off at oh,
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I don't know, four or five, Menager. And what was
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the rest of your conversation with Maxwell? Well, she noticed
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I was reading the massage book and started to have
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a chit chat with her, just about you know, the
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body and the anatomy and how I was interested in it.
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And she told me that she knew somebody who was
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looking for a traveling massuse. And I said, well, I
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don't have any accreditations. This is the first book I've
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ever read. She goes, that's okay, I know somebody. We
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can train you, we can get you educated. You know,
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we can help you along the way. If you pass
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the interview, if the guy likes you, then you know
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it will work out for you. You'll travel, you'll make good money,
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you'll be educated, and you'll finally get accredited one day manager, Okay,
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Virginia finishes off. She finished off by you know, giving
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me her number, And I told her I'd have to
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ask my dad and I called my dad. I ran
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over actually to see my dad talk to him. He
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said it would be okay. I used the phone from
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mar A Lago to call her and tell her that
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I was allowed to come over, and she said, great,
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meet me here at I don't remember the exact address,
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but it was Elbrio Way in Palm Beach. After you
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get off and my dad drove me, did you write
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down her ad the address that she gave Virginia yes. Manager.
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Did you write down her phone number? Virginia yes. Manager.
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So did you go run and talk to your dad
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while she was still there? Virginia No, I believe she left,
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and she told me to ask my dad and then
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to give her a phone call. Manager. Okay. Did she
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ask you your age when she had that conversation with you? Virginia, No,
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she did not. Manager. Did you tell her your age?
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Virginia No, I did not, Menager. And so somewhere you
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wrote down a phone number to call her back? Virginia, yes, Manager,
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all right? And where did you write that down? Virginia
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Probably just a piece of paper lying around the desk. Menager. Okay,
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but you don't remember, Virginia, I mean, no, I don't
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have that piece of paper anymore, so, no, Menager. Okay,
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did you write down and address? Virginia? Yes, Manager, And
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what number do you think you called? A cell phone number,
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a home phone number, or do you have any idea, Virginia,
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I have no idea. Glen answered, so if it was
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a home number, the butlers probably would have answered, so
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most likely it was her cell phone. Manager. All right,
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And what happened when you got off of work, Virginia.
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My dad drove me to Lbrio Way, Menager. Uh huh, Virginia.
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We arrived at a very large pink mansion and we
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knocked on the door. My dad got out of the
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car and we knocked on the door. Do you recall
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which car this was? Menager, ass Virginia. I don't know
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what he was driving at the time. My dad always
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drive trucks, so it would have been some kind of truck, Menager.
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But you don't know which kind, Virginia. I don't know
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if it was a Ford or a Dodge or Menager.
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What kind of car does your mom drive? Virginia right now? Manager?
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No in two thousand, Virginia. Oh, I have no idea.
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I don't remember. They changed cars quite often. They like
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getting different cars. When did you get your first car? Menager?
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Ass Virginia after my trip to London to meet Prince
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Andrew Menager. Okay, what kind of car did you get, Virginia,
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Dodge Dakota Menager? And did you purchase that yourself? Virginia, Yes,
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I did, Menager. And how much did it cost? Virginia.
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I don't remember off the top of my head how
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much it cost, Menager. Who did you buy it from? Virginia.
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My dad helped me bargain with it. I don't remember
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where we bought it from. Menager. And was the title
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put in your name or your dad's name? Virginia? I
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think it was put in my name. I think I
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mean my dad was with me. I've never registered a
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car or anything like that before. So, Menager, So that
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was your first time Virginia, Yes, Menager? Memorable, right, Virginia? Yes, Menager.
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When you got there was a butler or someone who
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answered the door, is what you said, Virginia, No, Glayne
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answered the door. All right, folks, So we're gonna wrap
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up this episode right here, and in the next episode
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we'll pick up where we left off. All of the
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information that goes with this episode can be found in
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the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
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the Epstein Chronicles. We're gonna pick up where we left
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off in the Virginia Roberts deposition. So let's just get
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right to it, shall we. Manager, When you got there,
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a butler or someone answered the door. Is that what
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you said, Virginia? No, Glaine answered the door. Manager, Okay,
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And then what happened? Virginia? She shook hands with my
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dad like she briefly opened the door, She stepped out,
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shook hands with my dad, told her she'd look after
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me and she'd make sure that I got a ride home,
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And just very briefly, that was it, and my dad
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left and I went inside with Golaine. Manager. Did Glaine
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and your dad have any discussion about what it was
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you were doing there in your presence? Virginia? You know,
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I can't recall exactly what was said, but I had
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already told my dad that was what the interview was for. So, Manager,
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what did you tell your dad? Virginia That a very
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nice lady approached me and told me that she would
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offer me an education to become a massage therapist. It
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was a great it would be a great ex experience
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for me to be able to get educated and trained
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and eventually be accredited, so he was very happy for
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me as well. Manager. You told him this outside of
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the presence of Golaine, Virginia. Yes, when I first ran
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to the tennis courts where he was at manager, and
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then in your presence at the home. Did your dad
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and miss Maxwell have any conversation further conversation about what
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you were doing there, Virginia, I don't recall. I think
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they probably would have chatted for approximately maybe thirty seconds.
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It really wasn't a long chat. The things that stick
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out in my mind were, we will take good care
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of her, and we'll be bringing we will make sure
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she gets her ride home. Manager. And how far away
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did you live, Virginia, Approximately thirty minutes, Manager. And that
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was at your parents' house, right, Virginia, that was my
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parents' house. Manager. Did you see any other employees or
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any other people inside of the house on that day, Virginia? Yes, Menager.
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Who else did you see, Virginia, Juanna Lessie Menager, uh huh,
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Virginia and Maria, but Jeffrey and Golane liked to call
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them John and Mary. All right, Where did you see Mary,
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Virginia the same place the kitchen Manager. Were they talking
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to one another? Virginia? No, Mary was doing something with
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the dishes. They were always either cleaning up or doing stuff.
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So Menager. And you saw them in the kitchen, Virginia
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in the kitchen area. I mean you have to understand,
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there's like three parts to that kitchen, so it's very large, Menager,
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All right, what part did you see John in? Virginia
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in the corner left hand and Mary was in the
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same vicinity, but not right next to him. They weren't chatting, Menager.
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What is also contained in the corner left hand of
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the room, Virginia. There's like like shelves with I don't know,
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just shelves that I remember, you know, open door pan
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entry stuff. Menager. What was miss Maxwell wearing when you
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arrived at the home, Virginia. I don't remember what she
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was wearing, Menager. The book that you were reading at
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the spa that day, do you recall the name of it, Virginia? No,
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I just know it was it said the word massage
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on the front of it. I don't know the title
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or the author. Manager. Do you know the color of
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the book? Virginia. It was. It was dark. It was
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like a plastic covering. Menager. All right, and how big
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was it? If you can just demonstrate for the video,
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Virginia smaller than that? Maybe, I don't know, maybe a
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little bit less than that. Manager, Can you hold it
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sideways for the video? Complied Manager. So you're saying the
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book size was a little bit less than half of
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Virginia interjects, right, I mean the book was a little
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bit bigger. The pages were you know, this is very
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small print. This is printed a four long ways, whereas
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I think it wasn't a four that way. I don't know.
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It was just a book, and I don't know how
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many pages it had either, I mean, approximately maybe one
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hundred pages. Menager. Okay, so maybe the question wasn't a
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very good question. How big was the outside of the book?
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Not the thickness, but the length and the width? Virginia
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maybe like here indicating manager, so a little bigger, longer
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than this. Yeah, we're going to fold it in half
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again and then like that, so larger than an eight
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an eight by eleven piece of paper. Brad edwards to this,
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he objects, and he objects with form. Virginia. I don't
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know what eight and a half by eleven inches is.
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If this is eight and a half and eleven inches,
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then yes, Menager. So when you fold it in half,
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is that a little bit smaller folded in half than
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the book? Virginia. Yeah, if we're going to hold the
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book like this, if I were going to sit there
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and read the book like this, in my mind, it
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would be a little bit bigger than what I'm holding
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right here. Menager. All right, so you're demonstrating the book
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as it's opened that way, Virginia. Yeah, let's just say
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I'm reading it like this, Menager. Okay, got it, Menager.
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I'm going to suggest we take a short break, order
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lunch for you guys, and then do a little bit
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more before the lunch gets here. Edwards, okay, Menager, if
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that works for everybody, Edwards, Yeah, that's great, Menager. All right,
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let's do that. The videographer. We're off the record at
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eleven thirty eight. They take a recess from eleven thirty
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eight to eleven fifty seven, then they're back on the clock. Menager.
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How long were you at the Lbrio home on that
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first day you went Virginia? Over two hours? Menager? Okay.
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And who took you home? Virginia want a lessi? Manager?
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And what car was he driving? Virginia. I believe it
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was a black suburban Menager. Did anyone else right the
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car with you, Virginia just one? Manager? What time approximately
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did you get home? Virginia approximately eight thirty Manager? Was
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it dark? Virginia? Yes? Manager. Who else was at home
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when you got home? Virginia, my mom, my dad, and
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my brother. Manager? Which brother, Virginia Sky Manager? And anyone
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else who was there at the time? Virginia. I believe
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Michael might have been living with me at the time,
24:31
so he might have been there. Manager. Do you recall
24:34
if he was there when you got home? Virginia, I
24:37
don't really remember. I remember I did when I got
24:40
home that I basically made a bee line for the bathroom. Manager.
24:45
Let me ask you a question. Michael was living with
24:47
you at the home at your parents' home at this time.
24:51
Is that your best recollection today? Is that right? Virginia,
24:55
that's my best recollection? Yes. Manager. When you say living
24:59
with you, you guys staying in the same room, Virginia. Yes. Manager.
25:04
Were you engaged to him at this time? Virginia? That
25:08
was a really weird relationship. He was a friend who
25:11
looked after me, and he did propose to me, and
25:14
I did say yes, but my heart was never in it.
25:17
He was somebody that helped me off the streets, so
25:20
I felt compelled to say yes to him. Manager. Okay,
25:23
So when he proposed to you and you said yes,
25:26
did that take place before you started working at mar
25:29
A Lago or after you started working at mar A Lago, Virginia,
25:33
before Manager, and so if he were living with your
25:37
parents at that time, you were living in the same room,
25:40
is that correct, Virginia. I believe so Manager and your
25:44
parents understood him to be your fiance, Virginia. I don't
25:49
think that they agreed with it, but I think they
25:51
understood it as that. I mean, Manager, I mean you
25:55
communicated to them that he had proposed and you had accepted, Virginia. Yeah,
26:00
in not such a pretty way. I mean, they obviously
26:03
weren't very happy about it, and it wasn't my true
26:05
intention to ever marry him, Menager. Okay, Virginia, but I
26:10
did it to make him feel Okay. I didn't want
26:13
to be mean, Menager. What did your mom say about
26:17
your engagement to redacted? Virginia. Oh, they never thought it
26:22
was going to go forward either. Manager. When you got home,
26:26
you said you made a bee line for the bathroom, Virginia, correct. Manager.
26:30
What did you do in the bathroom, Virginia, I showered? Manager, Okay.
26:35
Did you have a conversation with anyone prior to going
26:38
to the bathroom, Virginia, My mom came into the bathroom
26:42
and she, you know, she asked me how it went,
26:46
and I told her I'd rather not talk about it,
26:48
and she didn't push me any further for any more
26:51
of the conversation. Menager, okay, and then she left the bathroom. Virginia,
26:57
she left the bathroom. Manager. Did anyone overhear that conversation, Virginia, No,
27:02
we had the door closed. Manager. Was your dad at
27:06
home Virginia? Yes. Manager. Did you have a conversation with
27:10
your dad that night, Virginia, not that I remember, no, Menager.
27:15
And did you have any other conversations with your mother
27:18
that night? Virginia, No, Menager. Did you have any conversation
27:23
with your brother that night, Virginia No, he's five years
27:26
younger than me. It's not something that I talked to
27:29
him about. Menager. And did you have any conversation with
27:33
redacted that night. I could have. I don't remember having one,
27:36
but I could have. Manager. Did you call any of
27:40
your friends that night? Virginia? No, Menager. Who are your
27:44
good friends at the time, Redacted? That was really it.
27:48
I didn't really have many friends. I kept to myself
27:50
a lot. Menager. Did you call redacted that night, Virginia.
27:56
I don't think Redacted and I were. We were on
27:58
and off friends from middle school, and no reason on
28:02
and off, like we had an argument or something. We
28:05
just got out of touch. Menager. Uh huh, Virginia, so
28:10
not at the time. I don't think I was talking
28:12
to him. Menager. Are you aware of any distinguishing physical
28:17
features of Glenn Maxwell Virginia. I can tell you that
28:21
she had very large, natural breasts. I can tell you
28:24
that her pubic hair was dark brown, nearly black. I
28:27
don't remember any specific birthmarks or mules that I could
28:30
point out that would be relevant, Menager. Any scar, Virginia.
28:35
I don't remember any scars, Menager. Any tattoos Virginia. No tattoos, Menager.
28:42
When did you next go to L Brio House, Virginia.
28:45
I believe it would have been the next day Menager,
28:49
you believe it would have been or was it? Edwards
28:52
objects to this form, Virginia, I know that it was
28:56
consecutive that I continued to go after my first the
29:00
first time that the abuse took place there. It was
29:03
consecutive that I was there. I believe over the next
29:06
course of weeks. Manager, what day of the week was
29:09
the first time you went, Virginia, I don't know. Manager.
29:13
Do you know whether you went the very next day
29:16
or not? Virginia, I believe I did, Manager, all right,
29:20
how did you get there the very next day? Edwards
29:23
once again objects to this, Virginia, I believe my dad
29:27
dropped me off again. Manager. When you say you believe,
29:31
do you recall him doing that or are you guessing? Virginia,
29:35
I don't. Well, this is how I figure this. I
29:37
don't remember Galaine picking me up from mar A Lago.
29:40
I didn't have my own car, so the only way
29:42
I could have gotten there would have been my dad
29:45
picking me up, I mean, sorry, dropping me off. Manager.
29:49
Do you have a distinct recollection of your father dropping
29:52
you off there more than one day in a row, Virginia, Yes, Manager,
29:57
you do not recall the car that he was driving Virginia,
30:01
like I said, he always drove trucks. That's as good
30:04
as I can get. Manager, and so, and you worked
30:08
on the weekends as well at mar A Lago or No, Virginia,
30:12
no manager. So the second day would have had to
30:17
be another weekday or was it on the weekend? Edwards
30:20
once again objects to this with form, Virginia, I don't know, manager.
30:27
Do you know if you went after work at mar
30:30
A Lago? Virginia, Yes, so you went to work the
30:34
very next day at mar A Lago, Virginia, yes. Manager.
30:38
Did you have a conversation with anyone at mar A
30:41
Lago about the day before at Elbrio Virginia, No manager.
30:46
You didn't talk to any of your coworkers about it, Virginia,
30:49
no manager. Who was your boss at the time, Virginia,
30:53
no manager. Did you have a boss at the time, Virginia.
30:57
I think Adriana or Adrian I don't remember the exact
31:01
pronunciation of her name, but it's along those lines. I
31:04
believe that she was my boss, manager, and you did
31:08
not talk to her about it, Virginia. No menager. You
31:12
surmise that your father drop you off because you can't
31:15
think of another way that you would have gotten there, correct, Virginia, correct, Menager.
31:20
And when you came the second day, did your father
31:23
come to the door, Virginia. I don't think he came
31:27
to the door that time. I think he just dropped
31:29
me off. Manager, all right, what did you do when
31:31
you got there? Virginia knocked on the door and manager?
31:36
Who answered the door? Virginia wan a lessie? Manager? Okay,
31:41
was anyone there besides Juan, Virginia, Jeffrey Glaine and redacted? Manager? Okay?
31:49
Where did you see redacted? Virginia? She was downstairs? Manager.
31:53
Did you speak to her? Virginia? Just introductions? Manager, Tell
31:58
me what you mean by introduction, Virginia, my name is Virginia.
32:02
Nice to meet you. Her name. She introduced herself as redacted,
32:07
and she told me she was Glaine's personal assistant. Manager.
32:12
Did you call yourself Virginia at the time, Virginia, No,
32:16
I think I've gone by Jenna for a long time. Manager.
32:22
So did you introduce yourself as Virginia or as Jenna
32:26
Virginia most likely Jenna. Manager. Do you recall this or
32:30
is this something that you're guessing about? Virginia. Well, considering
32:35
that everybody knew me as Jenna. I think I would
32:37
have introduced myself as Jenna Manager. You don't recall it,
32:42
Edwards again, objects here to form, Virginia. I just don't
32:47
recall the exact answer to that. No, but just knowing
32:50
I had everybody pretty much call me Jenna Menager. I'm
32:54
just trying to make clear record about what you do
32:57
remember and what you're guessing about. So when you say
33:00
I think I would have it leads me to believe
33:02
you don't recall it. If you don't mean something different
33:06
by that, Virginia, I she's interrupted by Menager. Please feel
33:11
free to clarify. I'm just trying to explain to you
33:14
what I'm asking, Virginia. Yes, I'm doing the very best
33:17
that I can tell you exactly what it is. But
33:20
it's just very hard for me to remember so long ago,
33:23
and knowing that I introduced myself to Jenna to everybody
33:27
leads me to assume that I would have introduced myself
33:29
to them as Jenna as well. Menager. All right, but
33:33
if we're to speak to redacted, she might have a
33:36
different recollection. Fair to say, Edward's form Virginia, she could manager.
33:43
How is it that you knew to come there on
33:46
the second day, Virginia, I was asked to come back. Manager.
33:50
When were you asked to come back, Virginia the day
33:53
before after the encounter, they told me to come back
33:55
at the same time after work. Manager. Who is they, Virginvirginia,
34:00
Jeffrey and Glane Manager? Okay. Did they both simultaneously say
34:05
that or did one of them say it? Virginia. It
34:08
was like a conversation they both had with me separately.
34:11
Jeffrey told me upstairs after the whole entire abuse that happened,
34:15
that he really liked me and that he wanted me
34:17
to come back. When I went downstairs, Manager, let me
34:22
stop you there. Did he say I want you to
34:24
come back tomorrow, Virginia, Yes, Manager, Okay. Did he tell
34:29
you what time tomorrow he wanted you to come back, Virginia. No,
34:33
he just said he wants me to come back tomorrow. Manager, Okay.
34:37
And then you went downstairs and what happened, Virginia. Glaine
34:41
told me I did a really good job and she
34:43
wants me to come back tomorrow after work. Manager. That's
34:47
what she said, I want you to come back tomorrow
34:50
after work. Virginia. Yes, Manager, you recall those words being
34:54
used byer. Virginia, yes, Manager. Did you ask them for
34:59
a ride to get the the next day, Virginia, No, Menager,
35:04
you just said I'll come back tomorrow. Virginia. Yeah. I
35:07
agreed to come back the next day. Manager. How did
35:09
you agree, Virginia verbally? Menager, Okay. Was anyone else present
35:14
when Golaine said that to you and you responded, I'll
35:18
come back tomorrow, Virginia. I believe Juana Lessi was pretty
35:22
much within ear distance. Manager. Could you see him? Virginia? Yes, Manager, okay, Virginia,
35:29
like I said in ear distance when I mean ear
35:32
distance like hearing in the hearing vicinity, And it was
35:36
in the same time that she was asking him to
35:38
drop me off at home. Menager. Okay. When you were
35:42
driving home the first night with Juana Lessi, did you
35:44
have any conversation with them? Virginia No. I had told
35:49
him my address. It was a very quiet ride. Manager.
35:52
Did you ride in the front or the back? Virginia
35:55
the front? Menager. Is it your contention that Glainne Maxwell
35:59
had sex with un age girls virtually every day when
36:02
I was around her, correct? Virginia, yes, Menager, all right?
36:07
With whom did Gleaane Maxwell have sex in your presence? Virginia. Well,
36:12
there's a lot of girls that were involved. We weren't
36:15
on the first day and basis with each other, I
36:18
wouldn't be able to give you a list of names
36:20
of girls. It was continuous, Menager, it was continuous. Name
36:25
one girl that Gallainne Maxwell had sex with in your presence,
36:29
Virginia Emmy Taylor. I mean, that's a name that I
36:32
know well because Emmy was always around. I'm trying to
36:35
think of her name. Sorry, Sarah. Her name used to
36:38
be Sarah Kellen. I think she's changed it to now
36:41
that she's married, Sarah Kellen Vickers. It's redacted, but I
36:44
hooked you up. I can't pronounce her last name properly,
36:47
but it's around those lines. There were a lot of
36:50
other girls that I honestly can't remember their names. I'm sorry.
36:54
I wish I could help out more because I really
36:56
would like to provide more witnesses for this, but I
36:58
can't remember a lot of the girl's names, Menager. So
37:02
are the three girls names of females that you observed
37:05
Glenn Maxwell having sex with Edwards objects to the form
37:09
it mischaracterizes testimony. Menager, is that what I understand your
37:14
answer to be? Edwards again objects saying it mischaracterizes the testimony.
37:19
Virginia answers, those are some of the names that I
37:24
know very well. Like I said, there was a lot more. Menager, Okay,
37:29
do you know any of the names of any other
37:31
girls that you personally observed Glene Maxwell having sex with Virginia?
37:36
Do you mind me taking a minute just to try
37:38
to reflect Menainger? No, Virginia, okay, her name is on
37:43
the tip of my tongue. Her last name is redacted.
37:46
I don't remember her first name off the top of
37:49
my head. I normally could remember it. Meninger, Okay, Virginia.
37:54
There is just a blur of so many girls. It's
37:56
really hard for me to remember. And you have to understand,
37:59
we weren't introduce us to each other on a first
38:01
name basis. Half the time, a lot of these girls
38:04
would come and go and you'd never see them again.
38:07
So no, it's very difficult for me to pinpoint exactly
38:10
who they were. But those four that I've given you
38:13
are one hundred percent. All right, folks, We're gonna wrap
38:16
up right here and in the next episode, we're gonna
38:19
pick up where we left off. All of the information
38:22
that goes with this episode can be found in the
38:25
description box. What's up everyone, and welcome back to the
38:29
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna continue on with
38:33
the Virginia Roberts deposition by picking up where we left off. Manager, Okay,
38:40
did you observe Glenn Maxwell forcing any of those four
38:44
girls to have sexual contact with her? Edward's form mischaracterizes testimony.
38:51
You can answer, Virginia, you wouldn't want to piss us off.
38:54
You wouldn't want to piss me and Jeffrey off. I mean,
38:57
that's one way of saying it other than Menager, did
39:01
she say I don't want you would not want to
39:04
piss me off? Virginia? Piss me off is probably my
39:07
word using piss, but it was along those lines. I
39:11
don't remember the exact word that she used. Menainger and
39:15
do you remember a specific occasion on which he said
39:18
that to you, Virginia? I remember very early on, Menager,
39:23
Where were you, Virginia? I believe it was during my
39:26
what I called the training period with Jeffrey and Golaane. Menager, Okay,
39:31
and where were you, Virginia for a specific and like
39:35
I said, it happened a lot, but for one specific.
39:38
I remember being out on the balcony in the house
39:42
at Elbrio, sitting outside with her. This is when I
39:45
thought that I didn't know that I worked for Jeffrey.
39:48
Immediately I thought I worked for A Glaine because she
39:51
was the one who brought me in and she was
39:53
the one offering the majority of the training to me. So, yeah,
39:57
I was on the balcony outside, I believe the Yellow
40:00
Room Menager. She said that you would not want to
40:03
piss me off because I know powerful people, or words
40:06
to that effect, Virginia. Words to that effect, yes, Manager.
40:11
And did she say that what would happen if you
40:14
did piss her off? Because she knows powerful people, Virginia.
40:18
That statement alone was enough to let me know I
40:21
was scared, and I didn't want to. I didn't want
40:23
to push any further into that question. I seem like
40:27
I would obey menager up until that point in your life,
40:31
had you ever met any powerful people? Brad Edwards objects
40:35
to this then objects to form, Virginia. I do believe
40:39
that I've been put in very dangerous situations being a
40:42
runaway and having a lot of bad things happened to me.
40:46
Understanding the word powerful people and things that could happen.
40:50
I've put two and two together and knew what she meant. Menager, Okay,
40:55
So you had met powerful people before the day that
40:58
Glenn Maxwell said this to you. Is that your testimony?
41:02
Virginia nowhere near as powerful as Jeffrey and Golaine, nowhere near.
41:07
But people did scare me, yes, okay. And you had
41:11
met those people at what age, Virginia. I don't know
41:15
what age I was. I'm sorry, I was young. I
41:17
was before I met Jeffrey and Golaine. Manager. Is there
41:22
a girl who you personally observed to have sexual contact
41:25
with Gleanne Maxwell when she was under the age of eighteen, Virginia.
41:30
It's very hard to tell how many girls were under
41:32
the age of eighteen. My instruction from them was the younger,
41:36
the better. Manager. And again them who told you that, Virginia,
41:42
them both of them. They both Glaine did the majority
41:45
of my training in the beginning. Jeffrey also insinuated and
41:48
told me lots of things as well. Menager, Okay, so
41:52
you don't know the age of any of the other
41:54
females that you saw have sexual contact with Glenn Maxwell.
41:59
Edwards objects to this and says form Menager, is that true?
42:03
Edwards again objects to the form of the question mischaracterized
42:07
her testimony. She wasn't finished with her answer. Manager, I
42:11
wasn't finished with my question when you objected, and at
42:14
the end of my question, I said, is that true?
42:16
She can now restate it without you suggesting to her
42:20
the answer, Edwards, I have no idea what the question
42:23
is to even object to at this point. Do you
42:27
know the question? Virginia? Do I know any underage girls
42:30
that Glaine slept with? Menager? Can you please read back
42:34
the question record read as requested Edward's hold on. She
42:38
wasn't finished with her question. She told me so, that's
42:41
not the finished question, Menager. You interrupted it. I finished
42:45
my question. She just read it to her. Menager, can
42:49
you please answer the question? Edwards once again? Then I
42:52
object to that question as a mischaracterization of her testimony,
42:56
and she wasn't finished with her answer. Virginia, It's impossible
43:01
for me to know the ages of all the girls
43:03
that were sent to Jeffrey and Golaine. That is my answer, Menager.
43:08
I did not ask you about the girls who were
43:09
sent to Jeffrey and Golaine. I ask you about any
43:13
girl that you personally saw have sexual contact with Glene Maxwell.
43:17
Do you understand that question, Virginia? Do I know the
43:21
ages of all of them? Menager? Do you know the
43:24
age of any girl that you saw have sexual contact
43:27
with Glenn Maxwell? Virginia, Well, for instance, I mean redacted
43:32
was I think a year older than me. That's one
43:34
way of putting it. Redacted. I think was like a
43:37
few years older than me. Redacted again, a few years
43:40
older than me. I mean, those are the girls that
43:42
I can actually name. Without not knowing the other girls' names,
43:46
there's no way for me to identify what age they
43:48
actually were. Menager, Okay, describe for me any other girl
43:53
other than the ones you've named, who you say you
43:56
saw have sexual contact with Glaine with your own two guys, Virginia,
44:02
there's so many. I don't know where you want me
44:04
to start. I find it impossible to answer that question
44:07
with the amount of girls that I have witnessed and
44:09
without being able to give you specific names. I don't
44:12
think I'm able to answer that question. Meninger. Okay, I
44:16
asked you to describe them, so you could give me
44:18
a height, a hair color, anything that comes to mind. Virginia.
44:23
There were blonds, there were brunettes, there were redheads. They
44:26
were all beautiful girls. I would say the ages ranged
44:29
between fifteen and twenty one. Menainger? And why do you
44:33
believe the ages range from fifteen to twenty one? Virginia.
44:37
Some of them looked really young some of them. I
44:39
wouldn't say twenty one looks old or anything like that,
44:42
but it's hard to gauge another person's age without really
44:45
asking them. But some of them looked younger than me,
44:48
and some of them looked older than me. Menainger. And
44:52
in what physical locations did you see Gleagne Maxwell have
44:55
sexual contact with any girl? Virginia one hundred percent USV
45:00
I Menager, where Virginia Jeffery's Island? Manager, where Virginia in cabanas?
45:09
Do you know what I mean by cabanas? Manager? I do,
45:12
thank you, Virginia in cabanas in Jeffrey's room. Manager, describe
45:18
Jeffrey's room on USVI for me, Virginia. So I can
45:22
use this as an idea, like, if this is the island,
45:25
can I do that? Manager, I'm asking you to describe
45:29
the inside of the room. Virginia. Oh, the inside of
45:32
a room I thought you met located Menager? Uh huh, Virginia, Okay, large, stony.
45:38
He had a king sized bed with posts on it.
45:41
There was a large door, I think it's called a
45:43
door where you put your clothes. There was an adjacent
45:47
bathroom with a more stony look, giant tub. Manager. What
45:51
color was the paint on the wall, Virginia, it was stone, Manager.
45:55
What color was the bedspread Virginia white? Manager? Color were
46:00
the sheets Virginia white? Menager? And you saw Glenn Maxwell
46:05
have sexual contact with an unknown unnamed female in that room? Correct?
46:10
Virginia absolutely? Menager? All right, when were you there that
46:14
you saw this happen, Virginia. This happened on so many occasions.
46:18
The island was a place where orgies were a constant
46:21
thing that took place. And again, it's impossible to know
46:24
how many. Like I said, it wasn't just Jeffrey's room.
46:29
It was outside, and you know it was Menager interrupts here.
46:33
When you were outside, did you see Glenn Maxwell have
46:36
sexual contact with a female? Virginia. When you say sexual contact,
46:40
does that mean fornicating or down to taking explicit photos
46:44
or what? Can you define what you mean by sexual contact? Menager? Sure,
46:50
It generally, in my mind means placing either mouth or
46:54
intimate parts or hands on the breast, buttocks, or pubic
46:57
area of another person for sexual gratification. Virginia. Sure, manager,
47:02
did you see Glene Maxwell have sexual contact with a
47:05
woman outside on the US virgin Islands? Virginia. I would
47:09
say a female. I wouldn't define them as a woman.
47:14
A woman is someone who is older. But yes, outside
47:16
by the pool, down by the beach, there's these They're little.
47:20
I wouldn't call it a hut, like little tiny wooden
47:22
rooms that only could fit a bed in it. Manager,
47:26
I'm talking about outside, Virginia. That's outside, Manager. So let's
47:31
start with by the pool, Virginia. Yes, Manager, is that
47:35
a different occasion than the hut, Virginia. I'm talking about
47:39
many occasions, Menager. Okay, Virginia. Over time, Manager, Let's just
47:44
talk about the ones that you saw happen outside outdoors Virginia. Okay, Manager,
47:51
Do you recall any such specific occasion or is it
47:54
just a big blur in your mind? No, I mean
47:56
one occasion stands out. Models were I think there were
47:59
models were flown in. There were orgies held outside by
48:03
the pool. That's one occasion, all right, let's stick with
48:05
that occasion, Virginia. Okay, Manager, What sexual contact did you
48:10
observe Gallainne Maxwell have with a female by the pool
48:13
at an orgy on the US virgin Islands, Virginia. Well,
48:17
there was quite a few girls, and it was excuse
48:21
me if I'm saying this in an explicit way, but
48:24
I don't know how else to say it. So if
48:26
you don't understand, please let me know. Go on girl action.
48:29
So there was a lot of what's the word for it, licking,
48:32
licking vaginas breasts manager, okay, which Virginia fingers being used?
48:38
She was involved in that. I remember specifically I had
48:41
to go down to you know what that means. By
48:44
go down, manager, it's your testimony. You go ahead, Virginia.
48:49
I had to go down on Glaine. Jeffrey was there
48:51
as well. Manager. And this is where you still buy
48:55
the pool, Virginia. We're still by the pool with lots
48:58
of girls. Menager, can you name any of those girls
49:01
that were there? Virginia. They didn't even speak English, but
49:06
this was, Menager. Can you describe them physically? Virginia a
49:12
beautiful tall, some were blonde, some were sandy brown. They
49:16
had a foreign tongue, Menager. What language were they speaking, Virginia.
49:21
I'm not too sure. It could have been Russian, it
49:23
could have been Czechoslovakian, it could have been I think
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it's between those two, to be honest. It could have
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been something else. But I mean, I don't speak any
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other language other than English, so I really don't know, Menager.
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All right, any other time you saw Glenn Maxwell have
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sexual contact with another female outdoors in the US virgin
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Islands other than this models with the unknown language? Virginia
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answers are we talking about besides with me as well? Manager,
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I don't know if you participated. I'm asking if you
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observed her have sexual contact with another female, Virginia, another
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female other than myself. Manager, you can answer it however
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you want, Virginia. Well, and the list keeps going on.
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Glene and Jeffrey and redacted participated in I guess what
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you would call a foursome in the living room in
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the main house, Menager. Okay, I was asking about outdoors. Sorry, Virginia,
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Oh well, I don't know if you'd consider this outdoors.
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But on the beach where those it's basically an outdoor setting.
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It's like a little wooden house. It's not a house.
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Only a bed can fit in there, and it's right
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on the beach. It's open. Menager. Uh huh, Virginia, would
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you consider that outdoors? Menager? I have never been there,
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so I don't know whether it's outdoors or not. Virginia,
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I would consider it outdoors. And she's interrupted by Menager.
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How old were you at the time, Virginia. I don't know, Menager. Okay, Virginia,
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I have no idea. Again, Golaine myself another girl in
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this blue outdoor. I don't know what you want to
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call it. Cabana that a house which just a bed
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could fit in, Menager. How many times did you visit
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the island, Virginia. I wouldn't be able to say lots
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of times. Manager more than five, Virginia, definitely more than five. Manager,
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more than ten, Virginia, more than ten. Menager, more than
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twenty Virginia, I would say more than twenty. Menager, more
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than fifty Virginia. I don't think more than fifty. But
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she's interrupted again by manager, did then Virginia interrupts Menager,
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I don't have an exact number. I mean if I think,
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if you look at the flight logs, you know that helps,
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but then they're not fully complete. We only have flight
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logs to one plane. And then there's a time I
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was flown commercially into the island. Manager, Uh huh, Virginia.
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So it's really hard for me to gauge a number. Manager, Okay,
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do you have any photographs of yourself on the island Virginia?
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I know I used to, but they would be left
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in that apartment. Manager, What other locations did you participate
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in sexual contact with Glenn Maxwell other than the island Virginia?
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Everywhere New York, Palm Beach. Manager where in New York, Virginia,
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the mansion Jeffrey's mansion. Manager okay, anywhere else in New York, Virginia.
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Not at her townhouse. Manager anywhere else in New York, Virginia.
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No manager in Palm Beach, Virginia had the house in
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Palm Beach. Manager anywhere else in Palm Beach, Virginia. No
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manager in New Mexico, Virginia, the house in New Mexico.
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Manager anywhere else in New Mexico, Virginia. No, Manager, What
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other countries Virginia, France, England. We also, I mean, if
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we're going to talk about other countries, we've got to
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talk about international travel space or plane space or whatever
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you want to call it, because it happened all the
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time on the plains. Menager, Okay, Virginia going from different
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country to country. Manager, Where in France did you have
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sex contact with Glenn Maxwell? Virginia. There's a couple places
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in France that we used to go. Manager. When you
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say you used to go how many times did you
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go to France, Virginia responds, I think I've been to
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France three times. Menager, all right, how old were you
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when you went to France, Virginia. I don't know. Manager.
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Did you have a passport when you went to France, Virginia,
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I would have to have. Yes, Manager, You did have
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a passport when you went to France, Virginia, Yes, Manager,
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And you went to France three times, you believe, Virginia. Yes, Manager.
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And when you were in France those three times, how
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many times of those three times did you have sexual
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contact with Glenn Maxwell? Virginia every time? Manager? And in
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what locations in France did you have sexual contact with
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Glenn Maxwell. The first time that I remember, we stayed
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at a really fancy hotel. Manager in what city, Virginia? Paris?
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Manager okay, And it was within the view of Champs Elise, Virginia.
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And then manager says, did you have your own room
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or a separate room, Virginia. We all stayed in the
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same room, but that room had adjoining rooms to it,
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so you know, one hotel room but with different rooms
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in it. Manager okay. And anywhere else. On that one
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trip that you went, she brought in a redheaded French girl.
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She walked up to her in Paris and you know,
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in your presence, Manager ass Virginia, in my presence Menager,
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uh huh Virginia. And she walked up to this French
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girl to show me how easy it was for her
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to procure girls. I wasn't very good at it, and
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you know it was part of my training was to
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bring in other girls. So she walked up to her.
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Within five minutes, she had her number, and that girl
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came over later that night to the hotel and serve
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as Jeffrey. I didn't see Glaine with her. I just
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know she told me what happened, and that Jeffrey told
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me what happened. Menager, So you were not there, Virginia,
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I didn't see it. Okay, When did you have sexual
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contact with Glen Maxwell? Brad Edwards once again objects to
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this before Virginia answers. I believe it's hard for me
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to remember. I remember going to quite a few different
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countries on that trip. I don't know if it was
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I don't know if we did it in Paris or not.
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To be honest, we did it in other places, but
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I've been to Paris three times or not Paris? Sorry France. Manager, Okay,
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all right, When did you first tell your parents that
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you would be traveling with Jeffrey Epstein, Virginia. I'm not
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too sure when I actually told them. Manager. How long
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after you were working with Jeffrey Epstein did you travel
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with them, Virginia? Well, I know that my first trip
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was to New York. I would say anywhere between six weeks.
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I would say after six weeks, Manager, you were you
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had known Jeffrey Epstein for six weeks before you started
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traveling with them, Virginia. I believe, Manager, Am I understanding
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that correc Virginia. I believe, so, I mean that's an
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approximate answer. Manager. And did you just go to New
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York and come back or did you go somewhere else, Virginia.
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I think I just went to New York because I
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can't remember if we went somewhere else. Manager, Okay, and
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did you tell your parents you were going to New York, Virginia? Yes? Manager,
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And do you recall any part of your conversation with
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your parents about going to New York, Virginia. I didn't
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get into details about what I was having to do
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with Glenn and Jeffrey. I didn't tell them that, but
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I told them I was going to New York. Manager.
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You don't recall telling them anything else about it, Virginia,
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I don't know. I mean I might have called them
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from New York and told them it was cold and
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you know, just simple stuff. But I can't really recall
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what I spoke to them about. Manager, as I understand it.
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The food is here, So I'm going to suggest this
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is a good time for us to now take a break.
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Mister Edwards, sounds good. Manager, all right, Videographer, we're off
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the record at twelve forty two. Sounds like the perfect
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time for us to take a break too, So that's
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what we're going to do, and we're going to stop here,
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and in the next episode on the topic, we'll pick
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up where we left off. All of the information that
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