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Chanise Coyne's $4.6 Million Child Modeling Scam with Brandon Kyle Goodman · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl Lacey Mosley, a.k.a. Scam Goddess,
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  Speaker 1: back with another installment of the comedy podcast that's all
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  Speaker 1: about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we
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  Speaker 1: love them. Sometimes we hate them. But one thing's for
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  Speaker 1: sure is we'll probably laugh at them, but never at
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  Speaker 1: the victims. And congregation, if you are not new to
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  Speaker 1: the church, then I'm very what? Yes, excited, thrilled, elated
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  Speaker 1: to have a good friend of mine and also just
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  Speaker 1: a generational talent back on the show. You may know
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  Speaker 1: him from his own podcast, Tell Me Something Messy, which
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  Speaker 1: I had a blast on. He has a new live
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  Speaker 1: show coming out in November. If you are in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 1: pull up. And if you're not, you have enough time
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  Speaker 1: to walk. And that's called Ho Church. And it will
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  Speaker 1: be at the Elysian Theater. And we have a little
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  Speaker 1: scammer discount code for y'all that will be in the
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  Speaker 1: bio as well. He's a writer, a performer. You probably
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  Speaker 1: heard him on Big.
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  Speaker 2: Mouth as well.
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  Speaker 1: He's just so damn wonderful. And you definitely should be
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  Speaker 1: following him on Instagram if you want to get your
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  Speaker 1: laughs and you also want to get your life. congregation,
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  Speaker 1: please welcome back Brandon Kyle Goodman.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, Lacey, I'm so excited to be here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here, too.
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  Speaker 3: First time on camera.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: My grease is all over your table.
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  Speaker 1: My grease is also.
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  Speaker 3: Because we're moisturized. Yes, we are.
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  Speaker 1: We are. And you know what? That's not a bad sign.
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  Speaker 3: That's not a bad sign. Moisturized, hydrated.
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  Speaker 1: I want the table to be nice and juicy.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: You do look very moisturized. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: So do you.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I wish that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm bi.
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  Speaker 1: And when I do delve into the straight men, I
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  Speaker 1: just wish that they would just you know, like, work
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  Speaker 1: out and groom.
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  Speaker 3: Like, gay men. You know, a pedicure, a manicure, they
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  Speaker 3: always have them rough feet, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 3: to scratch you up. I had one, I was like, me, me.
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  Speaker 1: But I was like, the manosphere is scamming men, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Get a little moisturizer.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, a little, you know, it's so affordable. A CVS,
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  Speaker 3: a Duane Reade, if that still exists in New York.
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  Speaker 1: And if you are just not securing your masculinity, I heard,
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  Speaker 1: there's a brand, right, that makes all the agro man stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, it's like, I under eye cream and it's
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  Speaker 2: called war paint.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: They're like those.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it exists.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But also if you're not securing masculinity, go to therapy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Do that too.
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  Speaker 1: But moisturize also. You can do both at.
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  Speaker 3: The same time. You're right. Therapy and moisture. You know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Go out and get some of that. I don't know. What's,
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  Speaker 1: what's a manly way to call a face moisturizer?
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  Speaker 3: Um, um, cause not a mask. Uh, a Brillo. Ooh.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh. Ooh, that sounds like an exfoliate.
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  Speaker 3: It do, don't it? Yeah, I don't exfoliate. I use
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  Speaker 3: a Brillo. I use a Brillo.
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  Speaker 1: You use a Brillo. Yeah, that works.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 3: Or like spikes. I use spike. Exfoliation we call spikes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, spikes are like hydro man. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That would be the hyaluronic acid. Hydro man.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. You better know your.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be here.
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  Speaker 3: You've been asking me.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to have to ask you, since the last
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  Speaker 1: time we chatted on here, what's your relationship with scams?
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever been scammed? You seen any? What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: You already... You... Perked up.
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  Speaker 2: So go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm a newly single baddie. Okay. Because
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  Speaker 3: I got divorced over the summer.
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard someone say divorce like that.
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  Speaker 3: I got divorced. I got divorced. I was there, so
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  Speaker 3: you got to like divorce.
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  Speaker 1: A little conscious uncoupling type shit.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Just like a little pursuit.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit of a seizure or whatever. A little
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  Speaker 1: bit of that, bro.
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  Speaker 3: A little dissolutional assets.
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  Speaker 1: A little moment, a little this, a little bit of that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to spin that shit as a solo.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I keep my money to myself now, you know,
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  Speaker 3: one income household now. Anyway, so I was on, you know,
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  Speaker 3: back on the grids, although I never got off the grids,
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  Speaker 3: but you know what I'm saying. Because we were poly,
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  Speaker 3: not because, you know, we were poly.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was ethical.
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  Speaker 3: It was ethical, ethical, ethical.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and not that ethical where they tell you, but
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  Speaker 1: they don't tell their spouse. Because people like to do
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  Speaker 1: that now. I'm so tired of poly scammers.
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  Speaker 3: They tell you, but not the spouse?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they be like, you know, I'm in an open
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  Speaker 1: relationship to try to justify their Instagram having other people
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  Speaker 1: on it.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You got
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  Speaker 3: to tell me and the spouse. Yes. That's crazy if
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  Speaker 3: you don't tell the spouse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to be together.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: You need to be wearing a fedora so I can
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  Speaker 1: say no.
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  Speaker 3: Not a fedora. But sometimes that is a poly style.
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  Speaker 1: I have been approached with two different couples with the
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  Speaker 1: man in the fedora.
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  Speaker 3: In the 2026. And the Kangol. Have you seen the Kangols? Gosh,
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  Speaker 3: that's what it's called, right? Kangol.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Kangol might get me just because maybe you
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  Speaker 1: can grill. Like, you know what I mean? You're not wrong.
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  Speaker 3: You're not wrong. And the sandalware is correct.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you've got that leather sandal and the Kangol.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that black leather sandal. You might cook right.
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  Speaker 2: You might be able to cook.
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  Speaker 3: And I like to eat.
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  Speaker 1: So go ahead. So you're on these apps.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm back on these apps. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I had somebody over and the scam was, which is
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  Speaker 3: a common scam, the catfishing. He did not look like
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  Speaker 3: his photo and I didn't know what to do about it.
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  Speaker 3: Because it was so drastically different.
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  Speaker 1: Are we talking, they took it into the airbrush? Are
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  Speaker 1: we talking this photo is from 10 years ago?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like the photo was both airbrushed and from
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  Speaker 3: like five years ago. Because when they showed up, I almost,
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  Speaker 3: I opened the door and I almost like.
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  Speaker 1: So you're on these grids and you're talking to this
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  Speaker 1: person and they don't look like their photos.
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  Speaker 2: So you open the door and you're like.
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  Speaker 1: Who is this?
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  Speaker 3: Hello. And then I realized, oh, you're the person that
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  Speaker 3: I just buzzed in clearly. And so we're supposed to
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  Speaker 3: have this.
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  Speaker 1: You were like, I didn't order DoorDash.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't order DoorDash. I didn't order no seamless. And
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  Speaker 3: I thought about, like, not going forward with it. But
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  Speaker 3: then I felt bad about it, which is something that
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  Speaker 3: I'm working on. Which is that, like, if somebody lied
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  Speaker 3: about how they look, you have the right to say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you lied about how you look.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We don't need to do this. But I felt bad.
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  Speaker 3: And so I did the thing. And then I felt
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  Speaker 3: dirty after that. And so what I did was I saged. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And I did a little incense to feel a little better.
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  Speaker 1: You cleansed his ugliness from your... I.
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  Speaker 3: Wouldn't have said it like that. Yeah, you know, because
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  Speaker 3: I don't want that on me.
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  Speaker 1: You said the spirit of ugliness upon me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want that on me.
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  Speaker 1: I rebuke this.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey. Yeah. Period.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But I just feel like that's such an obvious scam.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't understand why people still do it. It's
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  Speaker 3: like you're going to be seen. Somebody is going to
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  Speaker 3: see you. So why would you lie about your photos?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think for exactly what you reinforced... I'm
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  Speaker 1: so sorry to say. Because, yeah, he lied on his photo,
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  Speaker 1: but he showed up like, ta-da! And he still completed
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  Speaker 1: the mission. Yeah. Maybe in that moment, it would have
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  Speaker 1: been corrected. But at the same time, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Because if he's been trying it with this old photo
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  Speaker 1: for a while, he probably does get some misses. Or
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  Speaker 1: some people were like, show me today's newspaper in your face.
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  Speaker 2: Or FaceTime me. And then, you know, he knows the
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  Speaker 2: jig is up.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know. I need to start asking for the FaceTime.
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  Speaker 3: They do have this feature now where they tell you,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen all my graces. They tell you when the
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  Speaker 3: photo was taken. It says like yesterday, last week, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like I need to request more of those.
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  Speaker 3: But I also understand that people be in flux, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like what I looked like two months ago may not
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  Speaker 3: be what I look like today.
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  Speaker 1: And I enjoy being ugly at home.
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  Speaker 3: As a tourist, I love being ugly at home.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, that's my peak.
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  Speaker 3: That's my peak, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: One of my homies, Jean-Eli, he's an actor. He was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'll be scrolling TikTok for like a month.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell y'all. And he saw I
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  Speaker 1: was on and he invited me to his live. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if I was like, if I look like this, I
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  Speaker 1: would have got on a live. But I looked like
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  Speaker 1: I was going through a mental health struggle. So I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, I can't do that. And I
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  Speaker 1: texted him and I was like, yo, you got to
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  Speaker 1: give me a little warning, babe, so I can get
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  Speaker 1: in my drag, okay?
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  Speaker 3: At least a little 15 minutes. Quick beat.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I should have had the reputation of wearing a
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  Speaker 1: bonnet and no makeup so that now if I did it,
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  Speaker 1: the people would be like, what's wrong with you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm jealous of the people who said, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: wear the bonnet from the jump, because they can show up,
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  Speaker 3: and then when they're in glam, they're like, oh, exactly, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: For the girls who started in glam, because we started
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  Speaker 3: as actors, so you start, you're always faced together.
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  Speaker 1: And now that's what they expect. Otherwise, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: call 5150 on you.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, what's going on with her?
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  Speaker 1: What's going on with her?
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  Speaker 3: Something's wrong. And we don't want to concern y'all. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? Right. Period.
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  Speaker 1: So I understand the scam. And I feel like it's
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  Speaker 1: something that a lot of people do on dating apps.
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  Speaker 1: It's like that scam of either it's a really old
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  Speaker 1: picture or it's like really, really filtered.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Or it pisses me off. When I get on the
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  Speaker 1: dating apps, If I see a picture of you and
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  Speaker 1: your homegirls or your homeboys and it's a group photo
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  Speaker 1: and that's your main photo, which one are you?
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  Speaker 3: I do hate that. Which one are you? Yeah, why
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  Speaker 3: are there multiple people?
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  Speaker 1: And why are you doing that, huh?
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  Speaker 3: Why are there multiple of you?
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  Speaker 1: And if I look at the picture and you're not
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  Speaker 1: the one I deem the sexiest before I scroll more? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: now I'm real mad.
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  Speaker 3: It's disappointing.
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  Speaker 1: Because why are you fishing with the sexy friend?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're not the sexy friend. You're the one
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  Speaker 1: next to him. Because you swipe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah!
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  Speaker 1: Yeah! If I see this, it's over.
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  Speaker 3: You know it's a wrap.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's like you look at that sexy photo and then
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  Speaker 3: you swipe and you're like, oh, that let down.
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  Speaker 1: Because also you're telling me that you're not confident in yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Because if I had seen a picture of you alone,
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  Speaker 1: that would make me respect you more. Because I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, this is what I look like, period. But
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  Speaker 1: if you show me a picture with a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: people and I don't know who you are, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what you trying to hide? You're lying to me already.
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  Speaker 3: A lack of confidence.
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  Speaker 1: Be a JPEG.
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  Speaker 3: Not the JPEG. A lack of confidence.
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  Speaker 1: Don't lie to.
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  Speaker 3: Me in 1080p. Please. Please make it 4K. Right. See,
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  Speaker 3: I think a lack of confidence is what actually makes
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  Speaker 3: you ugly. To me, beauty's in the eye of the beholder.
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  Speaker 3: And if somebody walks in and they're not the traditional
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  Speaker 3: whatever that is, but they are holding themselves, that to
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  Speaker 3: me is very fucking sexy.
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  Speaker 1: And if they're dressed well and they smell good, good haircut.
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  Speaker 1: They say you're not ugly, you're just poor.
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  Speaker 3: Did you say poor? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they say. They say anybody can pull a
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  Speaker 1: drag together with a little coin.
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  Speaker 3: If you get a little coin, you can really pull
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  Speaker 3: it up together. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if you're a real innovator, you know where to
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  Speaker 1: find the things that aren't expensive and make them look expensive.
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  Speaker 3: You know how to thrift. Because it's all.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's all on you. I've seen girls with a
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  Speaker 1: full drugstore beat. And when I tell you it ate
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  Speaker 1: down better than girls getting all the high-end products, it's
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  Speaker 1: also just, I think you're right. It's just you.
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  Speaker 3: It's you. It's this work. Once this feels good, you
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  Speaker 3: kind of show up in a room and you bag
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  Speaker 3: because you're confident.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I once dated a man who looked like a pit bull.
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  Speaker 3: Really? I know I like a pit bull. What kind
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: of pit bull was it? Short sound or long sound?
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  Speaker 2: Short sound.
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  Speaker 1: But he had that confidence. Okay. He was very buff.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you said, almost said cock, but confidence. Blink,
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  Speaker 3: cut that. You do, please. Forgive me.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to have some kind of preview of
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: how many times Brandon says cut that on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Give me a super cut of Brandon. Just be like,
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  Speaker 1: cut that. Actually, no. I take it back. The live edit.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. Brand tape. Brand tape.
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  Speaker 1: A true podcaster.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Gotta be.
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  Speaker 3: Always.
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  Speaker 1: Also, I'm going to protect the big. Come on. In
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  Speaker 1: this economy.
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  Speaker 3: In this economy? Girl.
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  Speaker 1: No, but you're right. That is such a scam.
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  Speaker 3: And.
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  Speaker 1: I wish that people would be a bit more honest
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  Speaker 1: on their dating profiles.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I also find like under profession can get a little scammy.
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  Speaker 3: Under profession?
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  Speaker 2: Like where you know that it'll say like job title
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  Speaker 2: or something.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, yes, yes. Depending on the app. Like creative director.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so broad. What does that mean? Sorry, cut that. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're definitely making it super good.
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  Speaker 3: It's a real job. But yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. No, like under the profession thing, it'll be so
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  Speaker 1: broad sometimes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like facilitator or operations management.
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  Speaker 1: What is what?
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  Speaker 2: What operations are you managing?
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  Speaker 3: Facilitations. Right. Where? And how?
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  Speaker 1: Coordinator. What are you coordinating?
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  Speaker 3: What's the credit score attached to it? That's what I
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  Speaker 3: really want to know.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to know, like, is this is a stable?
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  Speaker 3: Is it secure or am I going to be your security?
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  Speaker 1: Right, because a lot of things could be coordinating. You know,
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  Speaker 1: like you could be coordinating a line at a pop-up.
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  Speaker 1: The pop-up not going to be there every day.
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  Speaker 3: You're not wrong. You're really on to something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I need to know what you're coordinating. Coordinator is not enough.
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  Speaker 3: Coordinator of what, where, when, and how.
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  Speaker 1: When and how and who.
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  Speaker 3: And who, yeah, yeah. And why, a little bit, because
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  Speaker 3: why are you there?
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  Speaker 2: I need a fifth grade paragraph.
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  Speaker 3: And not written by, have you seen that they're not
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  Speaker 3: written by the AIs?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: People are writing their profiles with the AIs, and that's really...
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  Speaker 3: And they're not even taking them em dashes out.
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  Speaker 1: You definitely need to look. Unless you are a real writer,
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of real writers do use em dashes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If you're just a regular person, and you got hella
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  Speaker 1: em dashes, now we know. Also... If you can't even
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  Speaker 1: take the time to spend time on finding love, you're
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: falling in a relationship before we even get together. You
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: faking it before we're together. We haven't even talked and
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: you lazy as hell. Come on.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: I'm already doing the heavy lifting.
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: I know you ain't going to pick me up from
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: the airport. I can't even get you to pick up
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: a goddamn pencil and.
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: Write I can't even get you to pick up your brain.
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: You can't pick up your brain. How are you going
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: to lift me up? How are you going to lift
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: me up? How are we starting with lies? You lying
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: to me from jump.
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: From jump. From photos to the paragraphs. We're already lying.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: But also, maybe that's good because you know what you're
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: getting into. You know what I mean? Like, they're like, look,
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to lie to you.
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: I see you.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm dishonest.
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: I'm dishonest. So it's up to me. It's my fault
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: if I get tricked.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: You know, but if they sassy and they want to,
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: you know, have a sassy time or, you know, you know,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: you're hooking up with a liar. And that's OK.
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: If you if you're if you're sexy, we're just having
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: a sexy time. I think it's OK if you're a liar.
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying?
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I take the makeup.
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: I heard it. It made sense in my head, but
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: when it came out, I didn't really like it like that.
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: I didn't really like it after I said it. You
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: know what?
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: It made sense to me, too.
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: You saw my initial agreement.
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah.
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: Wait.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: No, wait.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: I don't like that.
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: And when it comes to scams, more people should do that.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: Sometimes things are too good to be true, but we're
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: desperate and we need to. And I'm trying to find
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: a better word for desperation because it has such a
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: negative connotation. Yeah. But like a word that says like... Urgent? Yeah,
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: maybe the need is urgent. Our needs have become urgent.
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Yes. And so when our needs become urgent, you know,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: we overlook things that are definitely flexed. Yes. So both
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: of us, we were just like, well, if they're sexy...
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: If they're sexy, maybe... Maybe the.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right.
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. On that note. Yes. Two non-liars are here to
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: tell you a truthful story in what I call Historic Hoodwinks.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: This is where I will regale Brandon with a famous con,
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: group of criminals, paper. We don't know. Maybe we love them.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe we hate them. We'll see along the way. Brandon, you.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: A ghost.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: There's a witch in the room.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, goodness.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: The spirit caught us.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: Actually, that was just a plug. The spirit wanted to plug, hey,
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: have you gotten scammed out of this?
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: Have you purchased scammed out of this yet?
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: Have you purchased yet?
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: The spirit's world is telling you to, okay?
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: So today in Historic Hoodwinks, we're going to be talking
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: about a repeat scam photographer named Shanice Coyne. Not pictured, ironically.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: So she built one family out of four points.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: Wait, I'm sorry.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: That's her.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: That's how she spells Coyne?
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: C-O-Y-N-E? And that's how she spells Shanice. She's already a scambag.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: And now I'm wondering, is Shanice Black?
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: It's not giving. But I feel like we spell it
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: with an S. A C-H. She's from Connecticut.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: You think? I don't. You think it's like Shawnees?
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Shawnees? No, it's still us. It's still us. That's still us.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Shawnees?
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: That's definitely still us. That's still us. You're right.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: That's still us. It might be.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: It might be a... Yeah. They were like, what's close
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: to je ne sais quoi? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, Shanice
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Cohen bilked one family out of $ 4. 6 million. One family.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: She bilked a family, 1.4... Bilked.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Bilked?
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: She bilked.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: What's bilked?
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's one of my tasty words for rocked. Damn.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Scam.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Bamboozled.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: You be reading. Okay, cool, cool, cool.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Stole.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: You wrote a book. Okay.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Scam goddess, do you have it? Scam goddess, yes.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not bilking it with this book.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: So she bilked one family out of $ 4. 6 million she
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: said would go towards furthering their young daughter's modeling career.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: but instead went entirely toward her own fun times. Now,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: if you got $ 4. 6 million.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. First of all, I'm kind of
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: mad at the family. Shanice Cohen was doing very well,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: in my opinion.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: So far.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: If $ 4. 6 million couldn't make your baby a model, nothing can.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Nothing can make your baby a model.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: You could have set up your own runways. You could
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: have bought out something at Fashion Week and just had
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: your daughter wear all the clothes.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. For 4.6? 4.6?
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: You could have had a whole social media team. This
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: is Nepo money at this point.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: We have the social media team. We have the glam team.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: If there's any procedures that need to happen, we got that.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: We got the retreats. You can walk.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: You could have bought your way into a fashion show. Absolutely.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: The fashion girlies are... poor just like everybody.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Else yeah they pretend like they're not poor but they ain't.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Got no money it's not giving the pop-ups aren't giving
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: like they used to.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: They're not oh okay 4.6 she should be a star
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: right now right you.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Should have walked all right up to Armani and been
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: like I'll give y'all 500k let my daughter just pop
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: up in here They would have took it.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I just saw you as a mother. Let my daughter
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: pop up in here. Period.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Let her fly.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Let her fly. Let her fly. Let her walk there.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, we bought our own Armani. It's in the car.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: You don't even need to do no fitting.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Throw it in there.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, you got your own tailor at that point, too.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Period.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Okay. Shanice.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So, Shanice, let's see.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Let's see what she does. Okay. I'm excited.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: And now she's Shanice. We have decided. I'm sorry. The
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: black delegation has decided Shanice. So, 46-year-old Shanice is a
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: photographer in New Boston, Michigan. You're already from a scamming
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: name town.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: New Boston? New Boston, Michigan? That whole thing is a scam.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Why is it New Boston?
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Isn't Boston a mess? Yeah, it's already Boston. Some people
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: was probably disgruntled with old Boston. They was like, bitch,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: we making a new Boston.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: New Boston.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Man, fuck y'all.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: In Michigan. In Michigan. Shout out to Michigan.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Yes. I hope that has confused some Republican donations in
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: this midterm. Wow.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Doing my part.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: They're having a hard time getting, like, good interns on
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: the Republican side because all their candidates are just, like,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: MAGA sycophants. Yeah. So they're not really good at their jobs.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: So they've been, like, buying ads in the wrong state.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Ah, I like this. I like this. Yeah, so new
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: boss to y'all.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Hey! Yeah, hit that one up. So for two years,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: she conned one young mom and dad in the Metro...
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Let me read that again because I sounded just like
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the press corps secretary. You can leave that in. Oh!
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: She's fired already.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Baby, she had one day.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: That first day was delicious to me.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Grand opening, grand closing.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Honey, it was delicious to watch. I couldn't believe.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: How you gonna get fired on your day off?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: On your day off, babe.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Baby, she was a scam. I wish we could cover her.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: She not a lawyer. She got her JD at Pepperdine
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and then got her MRS in the same week and
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: then went to China and then lied on the Chinese.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: The Chinese corporation.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: That she worked for, the law firm, they came out
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and said, baby, she was nothing but a paid intern.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: They said, we asked her what the Americans do sometimes.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: They said she wouldn't head on no law. She wouldn't
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: do no corporate law. She really was. And I'm not.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Do we respect that? Because she scammed her way.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: She did scam her way. She was blonde and white.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She's not a great speaker. She was terrible. So
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the bleacher was doing too much. Whoever her colorist is.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Really fucked her up.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I think she needs to tip more because that's the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: only reason that she's been out here in the streets.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: You're right. The colorist was protesting that colorist was doing. See.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: For Manga, no. For Manga, that's a good color job.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: They like that.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: They want a dark, nasty, dark. brow with a blonde hair.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: They want it to be block-shaped, okay?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Did you notice that her blush was really, like, also block-shaped? Yes.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: They're like, put everything on my face in a square.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: I ain't like it. Okay? Yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: My eyeliner, heavy as hell.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Heavy.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Make sure underneath is dry. I want to look like
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I'm about to play football in 100 degree heat. You know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I want blockers.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Get that shit on.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Tan me. I want to look like a light-skinned black woman,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: even though I hate black people.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: You know, they got a whole formula. She looked the part.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: As a scammer, I feel bad that her grift is over,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: but I don't feel bad for her because you joined Trump.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You've always been capable for.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Trump, so this is exactly what you deserve.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: This is a showdown fraud.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: You deserve to be shamed and embarrassed. Put it in
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: my veins. Yeah, we like that. We like that. Embarrass
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: her down.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, but she fucked up her whole grift because now
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: she can't even go grift like she used to on
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the news and be like, as a.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because now we've all seen her.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: As a liar.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Wait, she was.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: As a liar.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: She was doing the correspondence part?
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, essentially as a liar. Yeah. She was a liar.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Well, she called Mr. Trump her husband or whatever it was.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Mr.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Trump, my husband, whatever.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: She might have had to do some wifely duties.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Allegedly. Allegedly.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: But anyways, child, so, you know. I don't even know
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: why we cut our term.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Y'all, because I was sounding like her. Yes. Okay, so
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: let me read like I have literacy because I do.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: George Bush didn't leave me behind. I was on that bus.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: You were taken.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I said, get up, J-Dub.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Hey, we got this together.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Drive the bus. We leaving the rest of y'all behind.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I made it. I'm on top of that bus, baby.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Hurry. So for two years, she conned one young mom
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and dad in the metro Detroit area into thinking she
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: was a child modeling agent. Uh, heads up for y'all.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: If you're trying to be an influencer or a performer
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in any way, you should never have to pay for representation,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: point blank, period. They make money when you make money.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: They take a percentage. It should not be more than 10.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Teach, teach, teach.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So she said she was well-connected. This is Shanice. She
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: said she's well-connected in the fashion industry. Shanice claimed that
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the money they gave her would be used to pay
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: advance fees for their daughter to participate in modeling events
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: across the country. For companies like Nike and American Girl. Oh. Now,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Nike and American Girl pay their models. Modeling is a job.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: One thousand percent.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: It's one that's sought after, which is why people get scammed,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: because the need and their desperation is up because they
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: want this lofty dream. But it is a job. Yeah. Yes.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Have you ever modeled?
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: No. No.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: You're so tall and handsome.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Oh, my gosh.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: No.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Have you?
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: But, like, not for, like. other than, like, college.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. The college, the college modeling. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: The rest was, like, print.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I did in eighth grade. I'll say that. In eighth grade,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I had modeled. Yeah.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because, you know, the school functions, like, raising the
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: money for the, for whatever.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: You raised it with your face?
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. all the way.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Like what kind of fundraising we was giving you like you.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Can hang out with me no it was like you
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: know like when they're like raising money so they like
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: do like these like festivals and things so one of
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: the things was like oh a fashion show and so
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: we were you know the kids oh yes you know
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: walked down the little runway.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I love those i did like print and stuff oh
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: yeah a little bit not.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: A lot not a lot maybe like one or two
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: but um.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: My agents at one point were like, this is when
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I lived in New York, they were like, take a
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: picture of your hands. And I was like, oh, okay, no.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: They immediately responded and said, never mind, you couldn't be
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a hand model.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Why? Your hands are gorgeous.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: My knuckles are too big.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Your knuckles are too big?
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, hand models have, like, almost, like, straight fingers with, like,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: no knuckle.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I got, like, Babisha the Builder hands.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Babisha?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Babisha.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Babiana the Builder. I do be making things.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I do. Your hands are gorgeous, though, and soft. Oh,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: thank you. But the knuckle is big.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: When they said it, I was like, oh.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: You know I'm wrong. I guess my knuckles are big, too.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: See, and please do not unlock a new insecurity because
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Gen Z and Gen Alpha has done that too much
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to us. I didn't know what the fuck a hip
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: dip was. And they're talking about, oh, my hip dips.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I said, that's a new insecurity. We can't be making
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: up new things.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: What's the hip dip like?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: We have enough.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: We have enough.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I'm in that mirror all day.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't look at your knuckles. But if you got
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: little skinties, then good for you.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: My knuckles are fat in the middle.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Also, I like fat knuckles.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, these are good joints.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: That's good. I ain't mad about that. That's how I
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: grab my food, honey.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Yes. Please.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Okay. We're taking it back.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: That knuckles.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: That knuckles, bitch. Sorry. The bitch really adds something to it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: It really does.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: So she says it's going to these companies. We know
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it's not. The fees were supposed to cover expenses like hotel, airfare, clothing,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: and seamstresses. Typically things that models need.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: But there were no events, and their daughter was never
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: placed in any modeling shows.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: But for two years?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: I feel like after month one, that family has so
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: much money they didn't notice.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And it's also giving that you don't really support your daughter.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: It feels like you're just throwing money at your daughter
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: because if it's been two years and she didn't get
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: no motion, why aren't y'all getting involved? Exactly. Why aren't
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: y'all getting your money back or contacting this lady or
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: finding other? Or do you think your daughter ugly? Damn.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: So they think they're blaming her daughter. They're like, you
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: know what? The daughter can't.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Because it feels like they must be blaming the daughter
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: if they're not blaming Shanice immediately.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: For two years?
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And they've dished.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Out all that millions of dollars. They're like, our daughter
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: needs millions of dollars to get her to model.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Which is like, if she needs millions of dollars to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: She's probably not the model.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: She's probably not the model.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: She's probably not the model. Which is okay.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: There are other jobs.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: If we were all models.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Then who would do electricity?
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can't all be the models.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: If we're all models, who's a CNA?
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Who does billing and coding? Come on. You know?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Who's doing HR?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Who's doing HR?
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Who's doing the accounting? Who's paying the bills?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, you need a spiky haircut and you need to
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: be doing HR.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Who's doing the hair and the makeup for the models
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: if everyone's modeling?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: You might like modeling. Maybe you need to be around
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the industry. You can make a good coin doing that.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Who's making the clothes if we're all modeling? Because the
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: models ain't making the clothes.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: So targeting one family, Shanice created fake text messages, emails,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and invoices to keep the charade going for two whole years.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: She pretended to be a talent agent named Vivian and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: a Nike employee named Isaiah who supposedly were helping Shanice
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: set up the events. So she also... Did fake email correspondences.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: So she's playing Shanice and she's responding to her own
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: emails as Vivian, the Nike employee, Isaiah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Now Isaiah's black.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, like, I don't respect Nike.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I don't fake, but like.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So remember, Shanice is pretending to be Vivian.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Vivian.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Who's Italianated. And she's also pretending to be Isaiah.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Not losing Isaiah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: He was never real, so he could not be lost.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: He couldn't be found.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Yes. So supposedly he was helping set up the events.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: So the smart thing that I think that Shani Say
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: did here is that she said that she was an agent.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: She didn't say that she... In agents, their only job
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: is to get.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: You an opportunity. To get you the job. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: But they can't book it for you.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: And sometimes they can make some phone calls and get
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you the opportunity or maybe even grease the wheels after
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: you've performed. But other than that, they can't just give
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you work. Right. So that's kind of a good... It's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a good con. It's a good con.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But the money thing is what should have been
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: the flash. So, splashing out. Shawnee Say got more than
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: $ 4. 6 million from this one family, right? A lot of
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that was spent on gambling. That's Shawnee Say. Come on, girl. What?
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I know you ain't over here on couchy.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. On the casinos?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I hope at the casino and not on one of
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: them Drake apps.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Please not the Drake apps.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Please not the Drake apps.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: At least. At the very least. Oh, Lord, Lord, it's
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: the Drake apps.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: We gambling?
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's the Drake apps?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: She had multiple money laundering transactions involving online sportsbook FanDuel. Now, listen,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the U.S. Attorney's Office, they didn't say how much she
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: spent on gambling. But if she was laundering on FanDuel...
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: We've said nothing.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Allegedly.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Allegedly. Court records show Coyne spent more than $ 200, 000 on
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift concert tickets.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: What the fuck? In Florida. Jail.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Immediately. Shot to say it's not us.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Cut that. Taylor Swift. People love her.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Leave mine. You can cut whatever Brandon said. Good Lord.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I got a damn episode. No, you keep.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It. So she spent more than $ 200, 000 on Taylor Swift
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: concert tickets in Florida.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: In Florida?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: So it's definitely like Shawnee Swa or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: She's not us. Now, there are a lot of black Swifties.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if there's $ 200, 000 black Swifties. No,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: there are not. And that's not to say that we
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: don't have the income. I just think that we.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: We're not spending it on.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It gets to a point.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we might drop a couple thousand. Yeah, we don't have.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: You think we got Taylor Swift money? It's not like that.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: But house money?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: House money for Miss Billionaire is a lot.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not giving it all to that white lady.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, she's good.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: She got plenty of money. She got plenty of it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: When she drop an album, she drop like 30 remixes,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: 40 vinyls in different colors.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. And we're going to buy that. And her
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: family got them trucks still, right? The Swift trucks? Yeah,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: we're not giving her any more money like that. $ 200, 000? Yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: she's good. And in Florida?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: The tickets, to me, would be cheaper in Florida, too.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: No, it's Florida. That's probably where a lot of her
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: good fan base is.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I would be.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Proud of that one. Yeah, you know, the flip-flop girlies
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: are coming out, and they're going to have on their
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: best fashions.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: The flip-flop girlies is crazy.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Because they're in Florida.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course, I understood.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: So, she also bought tickets to the Stanley Cup finals, Yeah,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: she's definitely.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a white lady.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: That's a white lady. The Stanley Cup Finals and Taylor Swift,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: that's a white lady.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: That's a white lady.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I told you.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Because, listen, the last time I was at a hockey game,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it was low-key a scam. I went and I noticed,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: it was in February, and I noticed that, like, the section,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: there was, like, lots of beautiful black actors and stuff.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what? Like running into
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: all these people that I know. And I was like,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: what's up? Like, it was very cute. And then there
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: was a black woman riding the Zamboni at, you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the little.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: What's a Zamboni?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: The Zamboni is the thing that makes the ice smooth again.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: So after they've like skated all, you know, scratched all up.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: It sounded like that rice company. Remember San Francisco? Yeah.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: San Francisco tree.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: San Francisco tree. Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: There it is.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Zamboni. Zamboni. I'm going to build and Zamboni. Do a
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: little vocabulary for me.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I'm learning.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: So the lady riding the Zamboni was a black actress.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, she's so cute.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Like, so cute.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And then I slowly started to put things together because
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the band was like, you know, they have like a
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: band that's like full band.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: And they have some even orchestral pieces.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: And they were playing They Not Like Us. It's like.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, they bumping in here tonight. Okay, L.A. Kings.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: And then as I'm bumping to Kendrick, I start looking around.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And I see a little ticker and it says, the L.A.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Kings celebrate Black History Month. And I was like.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Goddamn.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. And that's why I was at the hockey game.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: That's why you were there, yeah. So shouldn't be saying
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: one of us. No, I got scammed.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: No, no, you got scammed.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Look, look, look. We're here. We're in blacks. Hi, I'm black.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Hi, I am black. I'm black.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I'm black.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: I'm in both hands. That's crazy.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Wow. Cut that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: We're not cutting that one, Joelle. We need an episode.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: God damn, Brandon. I'm spitting. So, yes, she's getting the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Stanley Cup finals tickets. The finals tickets are expensive as hell.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: People love hockey down.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Okay? And then she also got, like, Caribbean cruises.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, good for her. She was a Caribbean queen. Sheila,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I hate a cruise. Have you been on a cruise?
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I've said this before on this podcast, so if you listen,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you know I have a cruise family. Yes. And so
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I've been on enough that we had like the platinum
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: or whatever the status is.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: So you like being on that water? You like being
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: on that ocean like that?
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: No.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Remember I said family.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: The family. Got it. Got it.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yes. At the time, you know, I was an unemployed roommate. Yeah.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I had to go. And then when I wasn't, I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: was in college, I would still go.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And then it got to a point where I was like, hey, y'all,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I cannot get on a boat with a bunch of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Trump supporters and eat Guy Fieri.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Burgers until my ankles swell.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: For like eight days.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've said that before. Like, you're trapped on that
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: boat with them.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Trapped.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Trapped.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Trapped in that cafeteria on the top floor.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: This book has never fallen during an episode, Brandon. What
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: are you doing?
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I'm here to plug it. Scam Goddess available now. wherever
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: you listen also on Audible. So get it, okay?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll let you have it for that shameless blog.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, but it's just, ugh. I do like
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: it for the fact that you can hit a bunch
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of islands at once. I've been to every Caribbean island. Okay.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: You can hit a bunch.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: But you can't really see them because they keep you
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: in the port.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: No, you go outside. You can go. You just have
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to manage your time well, because maybe they will leave you.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: They will leave you, and I don't want to get left.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And I had to sprint for the boat once.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's terrifying.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: We were good.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: You were good. Yeah, I went one time, and I'll
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: never go back again. It was a gay cruise, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be like the gay cruise.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: But this gay cruise, the median age was 67. Oh, no.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: You were the bait.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: We were the bait, honey. There were six of us
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: who were, you know, fresh and young, and everybody else
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: was at least 67 and older. higher or older. And
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: it was eight days with them.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to be doing some financial planning there.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: You're correct. I should have been trying to get me
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: a sugar daddy.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if they got the sugar if they.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Own a cruise. That's what I'm saying. It didn't feel
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: like nobody was looking like they had the sugar. Do
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying? The outfits weren't giving I
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: have sugar.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I need a gay who's doing yacht week in Croatia.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: If I was on a yacht, that'd be different. And
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: then they had me out. They did one of the
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: excursions where you go out into the water to swim
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: with the fish. And I said, okay, I'll do it. Girl,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: I got scraped the fuck up on the side of
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: the boat. The fish, there were also sharks. I had
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: to get out of there.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Why were you on the side of the boat?
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Because I was hanging on to the boat like this.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, for dear life?
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: For dear life. And I got scratched up on the
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: side of my leg.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Was the boat moving?
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: The boat was, it was, I mean, I guess it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: in water, so it's kind of doing this thing. And
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: so I scratched me up. I got back on the thing.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I was soaking wet. And I'll never go back into
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: the water.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: What country?
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Couldn't tell you. I was traumatized. Oh, okay. But somewhere.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I've been on some of those excursions, depending on the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: country or wherever. It just be like dudes in a
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: trench coat. It's literally a little bit of a scam.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: They do feel like a scam.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Like in Mexico, they were like, hey, y'all drink these
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: shots and then jump off the boat.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what is that? And we be doing that because
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: we're on vacation.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yes. And then they had like a line, but the
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: water was so choppy that day. Like I was holding
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: on to the line and my Negro Shundo was like,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: go back to the boat.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Get on the fucking boat.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Take your tiny ass, get your ass back on the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: damn boat.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't like it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, so, but I have. But no shade to cruises because, like,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: it can be a lot of fun. I've seen a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: lot of adults ones that kind of make me want
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to go back. Okay. Yeah, adults only cruises.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I just don't like being in the middle of the
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: ocean like that and, oh, adults only, but also, like,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: climate change.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: And maybe turning up and stuff.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: And did you see that movie, The Poop Deck or whatever?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: The Poop Deck.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was on Netflix. It was like a cruise
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: and I think The toilet stopped working, and so they
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: were all trapped. Yeah, they were all trapped with the
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: poop in the middle of the ocean.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: That was my worst nightmare. I know that kind of
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: happened during COVID. And one of the boats they brought
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: back into commission. It should have been decommissioned. And people
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: were on that boat, and they said it was old,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and they said they could still kind of smell, like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: even though they tried to clean the hallways, the COVID
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: poop smell. Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: COVID poop specifically? That sounds like it's real nasty. Regular
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: poop is nasty, but COVID poop?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's got antigen in it. I don't know
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to. I don't want to know.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I was going to try to describe for your listeners.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so she was going on... Because they want that.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: So she was going on these Caribbean cruises as well. Meanwhile,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the parents were draining their savings and borrowing from family
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: to keep their daughter's dream alive.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, so they didn't have the millions. Their families had
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: the millions.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Two years. Two years. That's $ 2. 3 million a year. And
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: why are you borrowing? If you don't... If you don't have...
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: First of all, if you have access to that kind
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of money, that kind of liquidity, then obviously you're in
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a great financial place.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got a good family.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: But if you have to beg and borrow.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: They thought they were going to make her her meal ticket.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: The kid was going to be the meal ticket. That's
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: what I'm convinced of.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It sounds like if you got $ 4. 6 million, you had
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: tickets for meals.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: That's true. But they were going to invest.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: That's too much of an investment.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Much too much.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Much too much.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I would have said $ 10, 000 is a little crazy.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have kept it at $ 1, 000.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Honestly, if she's a kid beautiful... Yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I was going to say baddie, and then I was like, no,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: it's a baby.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: It's a baby.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: And if it's a kid beautiful... Yeah, I like that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Child beautiful.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Child gorge.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Putting child first so that we know that.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: It's a kid. Yeah.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Child model. Yeah. Then....
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: A common camera phone should be able to capture that
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: and you should.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Be able to send that to agencies.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: These iPhones are great. They are.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Okay. So, I don't understand. And then borrowing from family
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: is crazy.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: And what were you saying to the family? Like, are
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: you telling the truth about what you're borrowing it for?
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Because you're not borrowing money from me for your kid's
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: modeling career. That seems crazy to me.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: It's obviously for.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Them.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: And it's even kind of hinted in a bit of
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the research here. Shout out to Caitlin Doyle that the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: documents don't say if it was really for her career
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: or if it was for their dream of her career.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: So I think you're absolutely right.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. OK. Yes.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: So continuing on here. Shanice, Shanice, might have had a
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: lot more victims that we don't know about. A private
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Facebook group called Shanice Coins Scams Victims has more than
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: 360 members. So how many of these 360 are nosy
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and how many are actually victims? And remember, she was
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: changing her name to at least Vivian for us as
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: an agent.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Vivian and Isaiah.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we have a little note here. This is from...
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Shanice Marie. So now she adding her middle name in.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: The scammers love a different name.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Shanice Marie Coyne. Actually, that's not a bad. Shanice Marie Coyne.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Why does that sound familiar?
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Shanice Marie Coyne? I don't know.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Shanice Marie Coyne.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe you saw her mugshot or something.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: So they describe a pattern of Coyne booking and then
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: canceling photo shoots and not offering refunds. Yes. So this says,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: good morning. This is from Shanice. Good morning. Good morning.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I need to move the session today.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: If you don't know, I was in the hospital last
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: week for the kidney stone.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I still need to pass two more. And after shooting
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: dress club last night, I can hardly move today.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm going to stop.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: No, no, please keep going.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I just called the doctor.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: And they are having me come in this afternoon.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: I am pushing the session out a bit in case
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: this needs to be removed surgically. If you cannot make
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: the new date 6-6, please message me and I can
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: put you on one of the other days.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: The other available days are 6-11, 6-12.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: And 6-15. So much information. That's how you know she's lying.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: It's way too much info.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Because also, why are you telling me you got to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: pass two more?
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. Why are you telling me about that? No, no, yeah.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: That's why you're scared.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: How do you know how many kidney stones you got?
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: It's too much information. When there are too many details,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: that's when I'm like, oh, we're really scammed.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: You're lying.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: You're lying to me.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It's always a way to figure out if people are lying.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: If they're giving you unnecessary information, that's always a big
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: red flag. I am an over-explainer myself, but it's just
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the ADHD. But even in my over-explanation, it's usually me lying.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Like maybe telling you, like today, I came in and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I was running a little late.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And I tried not to be late recording. But I
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, my doctor's appointment ran late. But I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh, my doctor's appointment ran late because she.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Was doing this and then that and then that.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, my doctor, he over on Beverly.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: So, bah, bah, bah, bah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Like, it's like, that's when it gets to be.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: That's when you're like, oh, somebody's lying.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Somebody's lying.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: You're creating a story, a fantasy.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Because now you're trying to convince me. And when people
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: are speaking the truth, you rarely have to convince them.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: When you're speaking the truth.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: It's actually not in our brain nature to try to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: convince when we're speaking the truth.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: You just say what you got to say.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Perhaps if you're challenged, you might try to bring forth
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: more details and information. But a fact simply is a fact.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: So she's preempting that she's going to get pushback, which
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: is why she's giving us so much more information.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's like if I say like, oh, Brandon, my
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: name is Lacey. My name is Lacey because my mama
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: named me Lacey when I was born in Terrell, Texas
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: on July 4th. And Lacey came from my grandma. She
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: wouldn't name me Lar. Lar.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, got you.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got there pretty quickly.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: It took a second.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: You were kind of interested in the story.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I was interested. I did like the story.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're supposed to get to the life faster.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I love a name origin story.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, I have a wild name origin story.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: But it's in my stand-up, so I won't be saying
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: it here.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: So, look, we have some victims here. Why don't you
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: read this one?
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, this one's from Megan, who.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Megan is disgruntled. Megan.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Megan. It's spelled M-E-A-G-E-N.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Me again.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Me again. Me again.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Megan.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: It's me again.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: What, what, Megan?
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I'm on my podcast.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, I purchased photo packages costing hundreds of dollars. Yes,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I purchased photo packages costing hundreds of dollars, and she
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: rescheduled canceled shoots, which stuff happens, I get, but wouldn't
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: refund money and only gave, quote, credits. And in the
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: way she did bookings, I was never available to use any, quote, credits.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: for any shoots. Literally. She'd be like, quote, this shoot
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: can't be booked with credits. She really hung up on
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: these credits. My God. None of them could. So the
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: credits were useless. She refused refunds and it's not just
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: me who experienced this. Oh, Shanice. Shanice.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, Miaghan, I'm so sorry for you. Sorry. Well, Guan. Well,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you told us what, Guan. But, um, I.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Megan.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I'm really sorry that this happened to you. And I
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: understand how credits would alleviate the initial frustration of this
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: shoot being canceled because you think, okay, we're going to
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: reschedule and I'm not going to have to pay. I
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: get that. Chinese, scammer props to you for adding this, like,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: this is very... Adding credits.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, because credits gives me like an airline feel.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Like airlines would be like, oh, you have credits, but
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: there's blackout dates.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: You can't use them here.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Also, you can't use them on first class. Also, you
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: can't use them on New Year's. Like there's so many stipulations.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: You even have to watch out. We talked about this
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: in the entire episode. You have to watch out for
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: airlines like trying to buy you out of your seat
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: to give to someone else when they're overflowed. Are they
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: offering you credits? Are there blackout dates? How much is
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: it for? And can you do first class? These are
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the questions you should be asking for the credits.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I love coming here because I learned so much.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: And then if they're offering cash, wait till that number
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: gets up nice and high. And you better make sure
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: that they're giving you cash and a hotel to stay
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: in if it's overnight. Like you have to ask for
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: these things because people have just become comfortable accepting less.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: But credits is now something that sounds legitimate. But of course,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: every time you try to book, she's like, oh, not
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: for this though. Not for this though.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: But also it would be crazy to me to do
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: credits for like something like a photography situation where it's
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: like I'm hiring you to take photos. Why would I
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: need credits for that?
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I guess for the session. So she's saying, I'm not
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: going to give you your money back for the session
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: that you booked, but it will credit you towards the
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: rebooking of this session that I had to cancel along
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: your way.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I guess in my head, I would just go, we're
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: just going to reschedule the session. Like, why would credits
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: even come into the conversation?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I think that that's why they came in. That's a
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: great observation. The credits came in because she obviously had
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: no intention of doing the shoot or returning the money.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: So a credit can sit somewhere for a long time.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I guess as me again, I would go, what the
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: fuck we need credits for?
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Just tell me the new date and I'll be there.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: But Shanice was well played.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: And then she can bar her. Let's say that.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Miyagan doesn't want to put in any more money towards
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: this kind of sunk cost. So she's just trying to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: use these credits to reschedule the shoot. If Shanice is
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: saying that the credits don't apply to this schedule, then
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: she can continue to postpone actually doing the work while
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: keeping the money. Because I don't think Sheenie's ever intended
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: to do the photo shoot.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: The photos, right.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: So she's like, oh, no, you can't use credits on
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: this day. It's because it's a Tuesday.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: There's no credit Tuesday.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Wow, from a scam perspective. This is very good work, Sheenie.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: No credit Tuesday through Sunday.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Tuesday through Sunday. It's only Monday. It's the third Monday
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: of every leap year.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: The third Monday of every leap year.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: That's when we do credits.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously this was to her frustration. So in
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: November of 2024, Fox 2 Detroit discovered that Shanice had
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: booked Christmas photo shoots with local families but canceled after
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: claiming the Santa Claus performer had fallen ill with Mpox.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Is that monkeypox?
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: That's monkeypox.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: So let's look at this text message here for the cancellation.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, oh.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Money pox. She said, hi, I am working.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: With Santa about refunds. He has money pox.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Baby, that was a Freudian slip.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: That was a Freudian slip! She meant monkey pox, which
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: is already crazy, but to write money pox?
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: She said, I'm sick with y'all money. I'm rich. So
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: this is news to us as we haven't had to
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: do this ever. So we need to get money dispersed
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: and already handled. And then this victim says, oh, my God,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: that's crazy. He did sessions this weekend. And then Shanice says,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: between you and me, I think it's more of a conflict.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: But I am not going to air his laundry as
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I think he's a great person and look forward to
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: working with him again.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: She throwing fake Santa under the bus like that?
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: You said, not only do we have money pox, he
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: a liar.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: He's a liar.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: A liar.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Between us girls. Right.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: He needs to be on his own naughty list between us.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Don't tell nobody. Because I respect him and I want
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to work with him again.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: That's my Santa. But.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Like, is he? Do you?
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Because I think you just said everything.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: You just told me everything.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Listen, I don't want to say nothing bad about
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: that lying ass.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: That fake lying ass. That fake ass lying ass bitch.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: But he rhymed me. Yes.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: And then this person responded and said, he was at
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Taylor Marie Photography all weekend. I saw their post because
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I used to go there. She's thinking that. So what
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Shanice here is very smart, too, because she knows that
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the Santa that she's lying about booking is not coming
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: to the bookings, but she's using his clout. And so
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: he's clearly using Santa's clout.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: But, oh, Santa, mall Santa's clout.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Ho, ho, ho. Oh, Shanice.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: So, this is smart, too, because obviously this victim here
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: has looked up this other Santa and sees that the
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: other Santa got all hella kids on the lap doing
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: hella photo shoots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Shanice is like, oh,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: you saw him? That's crazy.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: He is a liar. But we definitely booked him.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Damn. To have somebody lying on your name.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Yes. See, that's where I'm like, I don't like that. Yeah, no. So...
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: There's some repercussions that are going to happen here, which
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I was really glad about because I didn't know if
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Shanice was going to just get away with all of this.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: So there was a sentence. So Shanice has pled guilty
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: in May to one count of wire fraud. She's going
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: to federal prison for five years plus three years of
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: supervised release. She was also ordered to pay $ 4. 6 million
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: in restitution. Good luck getting that.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: You'll never get that back.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: She's not the first person nor the last person to
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: use modeling as a front for a money-making scheme. And
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: we know that. I mean, there were the Barberzons. There
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: were the John Barberzons. Barberzons. That was like, did you
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: not listen to the radio in the car as a kid? No.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Well, we listened to Family Radio. It was a Christian
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: radio station.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, that is so cute. Okay, no, I was on
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: the Ratchet Stations. You know, the ones that play those, like,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Top Dog Law commercials.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would sneak Wendy Williams sometimes.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard a Top Dog Law commercial? No. Oh,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: my gosh. They are so specifically targeted to a lemon
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: pepper martini Atlanta demographic. Work. And it's so amazing. They're like,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Top Dog Law. They'll put, like, real sound effects in it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: They'll be like, Scurps! Have you or your lover been
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: injured in an accident? Like, they're getting more and more, like,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: or less and less professional every time I hear one.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Do they still exist?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: They're like, call us at Top Dog Law.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: And are people going to these lawyers?
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Y'all not getting your money up because y'all not calling
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Top Dog Law. Yeah.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: That's already a scam, though, no?
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but these lawyers are the kind that, like, they'll
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: take your case if they think they can win, and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: they usually won't charge you by the hour.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: They'll just take a percentage of what you win.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Of what you win.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'll be a high percentage, but I guess, like...
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: It's better than nothing.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Is what they're doing. Yeah. So y'all are not going
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: to see this 4.6 million, but that was very cute
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: of them to like offer it. So at least I
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: can garnish her wages.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, but what's she going to do? What kind of
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: work is she going to be doing after this?
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, the thing about being a photographer is no
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: one's doing a background check. Unless it's, like, a very, like,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: political event or something with, like, a high-profile person.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're just, like, in Florida, you're probably not.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't sound like she was taking many pictures,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: so when you get out with Clint, they, like, I think,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: she got five years in the Fed, Club Fed.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then three years supervised release.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: So at least when she's being supervised on the release,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: she's going to have to go get a job where
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: she can have proof of income and a W-2.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: And that money was going to go right back to
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: the family. We hope. Although I think the family should
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: not go to jail, but like something's up with them too.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Something's a little weird with them two. Because why do
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: you get that much money? Yeah, why are you $ 4. 6
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: million over two?
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: For one daughter?
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: That's something... I don't like it. That's something that smells really.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: No, borrowing from family. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: It don't smell right. It don't smell right.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet the family didn't show up in court.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: They were like, no, we don't need to see this.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: We don't have any letters of a victim.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: That's embarrassing.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: No. Yeah, no.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: So, overall, I think this scam... I'm not going to
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: say it's harmless.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I think the stuff that she was doing on Facebook, like,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously like photos are not a necessity.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: It's something that you spend money on as like, um,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: like a, what.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Would we call it?
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: It's like for like an accessory, like discretionary.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, there it is. The contingency funds.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't feel right. Um, The word is like
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: on the tip of my tongue, but you know, this
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: is like money for fodder.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So I don't feel super
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: duper bad for the people who got scammed here. I
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: obviously don't blame them. And I wish that that hadn't
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: happened to them because photos are also really important. People
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: like to do memories with their families. And I think
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: that's important. Also like someone on TikTok made a video.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I wish I remembered their name, but they were like,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: If you are in a marriage that is falling apart,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: please stop taking those fall photos.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Honestly, keep taking them.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: They're like, we can tell y'all hate each other.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Honestly, keep taking them. I like them. Take more.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Go to the pumpkin patch. I want to see you
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: guys look like you hate each other.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: The more fall, the better. Oh, my gosh. Put that
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: in the scrapbook, girl.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I know some wouldn't have to be incredibly vague here,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: but one of their engagement photos was, like, the fiancé.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: like wrapping his hand around her neck. And he was like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: and she's like, I hate that.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: I saw that.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: The person is a quirky person.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I won't say who they were in the situation.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: But the Freudian slip of the pose shows that.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: The pose, when I saw that photo.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: At the wedding day?
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is not going to last.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Was it an engagement photo? It was an engagement photo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: That's not the engagement photo we sent out.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: It was on socials.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: We don't put that on socials.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: And I saw it and I was like, this is
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: not going to last. And it did not. Yeah.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: I went to a wedding and their photo was cheek
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: to cheek. And I thought, well, that's not going to
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: last either.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: You don't like a cheek to cheek? You don't like
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a go on a date and y'all both sit on
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the same side of the booth?
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine. But like, if we just got married.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: The booth is fine for you?
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: The booth?
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I hate a same side booth.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: You hate? I'm going to be next to you next
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: time we go to Superba.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Why would you do this to me?
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Because you got to. I like it right now.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Now we have to turn.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: And what about it?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Because now I got to turn. I got to turn
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: this way and I got to eat the food.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: But I can get you your food because we're sharing
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: our food. It's not.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: No, you can share the food in the middle of
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the table.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: But if you fall away like this, honestly, I'd be right.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: If I could sit right there, if I could. If
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: the cameras weren't.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Is that why you keep knocking his damn book out
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: where you feel like it's between us?
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: It's between us. The candle's between us. The plants are
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: between us. I don't like that. I'll be right up
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: next to you sharing fries and martinis.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: What about cheek to cheek? Are we not loving?
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, because if we just got married,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: why are our poses cheek to cheek?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: You want them tongue to tongue? Yes, we just got married.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Put your tongue on me. At least lick my cheek.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. A married couple just put... Like, we're doing
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: a press? That's... No, no, no, no.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Like, we're both trying to find our camera? No, I'm
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: so sorry. I feel very passionate about this.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm sorry for those of you who lost
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: your money. For some reason, I... Because of the things
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: that you've said, Brandon, and brought up, I do not
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: feel bad for the family who lost the $ 4. 6 million.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to make fun of you. You were
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: definitely still victimized.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: But it just seems like an aggressive amount of money
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: with no results for two years.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: It is, yeah.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: And it begs the question, why?
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Why? And also, it wasn't all your money.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: You were borrowing money for this.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: And who in their right minds... would do this.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: I want to know who was giving you that money, too.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I think everyone was being scammed.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: For this amount of money, you could have gone to
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: New York, paid somebody who was actually, like, influential. Hello? Hell,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: for this amount of money, you probably could have called
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Law Rutsch up and been like, hey, Law, I'll give
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you a million dollars if you introduce my baby to
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: everybody in the fashion industry.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Literally. Literally.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I would take a million dollars to do a go-see
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: One day? One day.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Give me that million.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Hell, y'all could have gave me a million dollars. I
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: would have gone to New York. I would have been
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: at Wilhelmina.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe. Maybe.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I watched enough America's Next Top Model.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I know what to do. Exactly.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: She's charging for makeup artists. No, we're going to the Sephora.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: We're using all the samples. Absolutely. Okay? We're going to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: be real models. Okay?
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: I'll take that million and make.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: It go far. I have one photo, and it's your daughter.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: So, moving on from that strange little story. Shanice, I
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: hope when you get out of the clink, you buy
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: a Nikon and you do this right.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: That's correct. She probably won't, though.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: No, she probably won't. And no one will check her background.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Have you found that once a scammer, always a scammer?
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Yes. And there are some people who reform, but I
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: feel like those are the people who never intended to
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: stay in the game long. Some people scam to get
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: through doors that were never open for them.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fair, fair.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And they shake it off when they've made it to legitimacy.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: But then some people are serial entrepreneurs and they just
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: love it.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Did you ever watch Toxic Love Story on Netflix?
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Uh-uh.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: You would love that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Scam down. The girl scammed that she had stage four.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I might have seen this actually.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I might have reported on it.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I knew her name.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Netflix loves to give it a spicy name.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, works.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: So as we move on from historic hoodwinks, we are
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: going to regale Brandon with a scammer of the week. Yes.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we do this. Sometimes we don't. Sometimes we love them.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Oh. Okay.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was a jump scare. Sir. Joelle.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Gosh. Bernard Eugen Fritz?
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Girl, lock him up.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: So our Scammer of the Week, we have a most
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: wanted fraudster from the FBI. They have a new list.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: They didn't used to have.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: It looks like the Cottonelle commercial. You know the Cottonelle commercial?
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, but.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Or the puff. No, it's the puffs. Yeah. The claymation
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: with the noses.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: There's a nose indeed.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Don't he look like he got that.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, he does.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: God, I got that little beak on.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: That little puff nose.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: You know, he tear a Kleenex up.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: He loving a Kleenex.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Blowing a hole through it.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Come on. Right through two of them with that.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Hello? Listen, come out like gunshots. Strong.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Strong wins.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: So the FBI has recently made a more specific most
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: wanted list for fraudsters. So this is the most wanted
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: fraudster list.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: So Mpox, that's coming up again. I guess it's a
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: monkeypox episode, not moneypox, but a.k.a. monkeypox, was a virus
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: that was going viral in the news in 2024. The
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: symptoms are fever, headache, muscle aches, back pain, low energy,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: and swollen lymph nodes. And one thing I love about
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: the queer community is that when monkeypox was first surfacing, oh, babes,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: we got that out of here immediately. Everybody went and
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: got a vaccine.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Immediately.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Everyone went and got a vaccine.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Also because I think there were, like, lesions, too.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know what? It was the ugliness of
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: it all.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: It was the ugliness. No shame, but really the girl said, ah, what?
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: The face? The girl said the face?
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Honestly, if COVID made you ugly, everybody would have taken
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: that vaccine. I'm going to put it in my neck.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Put it in my neck. Get it in here, girl. Okay,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be ugly.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: All the racists, all the magas, everybody.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Would have been like get it get it absolutely they.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Would have been like fuck the lips but give me
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: that give.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Me that good give me that good that good back
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: here give.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Me that beauty jab okay everybody would.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Have done it that monkey pop said the girls running.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: They said ugly could never get my purse I gotta take.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: The social media photos oh.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: No okay never get into the club looking like that
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: not that not that So, you know.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: When it was a thing before we eradicated it.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Damn ugly ass bees. Right. So the skit of the
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: week does kind of still relate to our historic hoodwink.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: So remember the Santa that old girl Shanice was lying
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: about and said had monkeypox? Fox 2 Detroit later interviewed
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: the Santa in question. Because remember, they were reporting on
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Shanice and her.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Fake photographs and everything.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: So they did some due diligence and they went after
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: the fake Santa. Yeah. And the fake Santa denied contracting
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the disease. He said, look at these pores. You think
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I got a monkey or a pop?
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: He said, touch the skin, honey. Touch all this skin, yeah.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, straight from the North Pole.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Rudolph could never, please.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Could try, but never.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: At the top of that list is Bernard Fritch on
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: this scammer-wanted FBI list, right?
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: They're always a scammer when they're wearing that coat.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I've seen that on other scammers. Remember the Howard tuition scammer? No.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: The one who he was stealing from financial aid. And
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: he has a picture where he's kicking his heels and
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: he has on a yellow blazer like that.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: It's the blazer with the jeans. It's like, I have money,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: but I'm casual.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: This fucking Century 21 realtor ass fucking blazer.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely about to sell me a dream.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: I know, that's right.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: So Bernard Fritsch is a 65-year-old founder and chief executive
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: of a tech company called Star Club, Inc.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I love the names.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: I feel like I could- Star Club Inc.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Spot a fake company. Yeah. So he told investors- the
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: app would help celebrities and social media influencers monetize their
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: brand endorsements. He said it would deliver advertising content and
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: share ad revenue with a celebrity poster. So this app
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: is saying that you can sign up and we'll use
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: your clout and we'll pay you to do... It sounds
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: like a middleman for something that celebrities and influencers don't
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: need a middleman for. Yeah.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a useless company.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: You got money. How can we get in between it?
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: How can we make a bridge between you and your money? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: So he said it would deliver this content, right? And
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: it was going to share the revenue. Star Club surrounded
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: itself with Hollywood glitz, hosting events attended by celebrities like Oh,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: name him. Tyrese Gibson.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Damn.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: And Enrique Iglesias. Damn.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Now- Now, Enrique's kind of a get. Enrique Iglesias.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Baila more.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he been bailing too much. Baila bastante, Enrique. Come back. Okay?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Damn, okay.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: So, but- If I see Tyrese selling something.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got questions.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Listen, I love the Fast Family.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm like.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Hey, Tyrese endorsed this.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: So I bought four.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, guys. I ain't buying
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: nothing from Tyrese. No shame, no shame.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: So Bernhard, I would call him Bernard, but it looks
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: like Bernhard. We'll call him Bernhard. Bernard Bernhard.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: He wasn't building that app.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: He was using tens of millions of dollars in investor
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: money to buy a McLaurin and a Rolls Royce. He
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: upgraded his yacht and renovated his Malibu mansion. Now, Bernhard. What?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: You know at some point people are going to be
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: looking for the app that they invested in. You couldn't
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: make a little app, half app? You needed a McLaurin
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and a Rolls Royce? You couldn't have just got one? One? Also,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: you're renovating a place in Malibu? The fire town?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: That's kind of.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: But, yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you be investing, like, in a property outside
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: of the country so that when you get caught, you
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: got a place to go? To go with no extradition.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, why not just, like, embezzle? Why don't I
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: understand why people have to embezzle so hard?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: So much. Do it like a little bit. A little bit.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: A little bit. But he's 65. Like, embezzle. Yeah.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Don't embezzle. Just embezzle.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Don't do embezzlement.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Em. Just embezzle. Em. Embezzle. Em.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Em.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Just a little bit.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: You're 65, but I think you did.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: It was like reallocation.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Redistribution of funds. You could be like, oh, I didn't
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: even know it was there.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was commingling. Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: With my bank account and yours.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: I was just having a little brunch with it. You
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But y'all got to go.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Look, a Rolls Royce and a McLaren is crazy.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: That's kind of insane. You don't need all of that.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: And then we're going to renovate the Malibu house? You
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: know they're going to take the house, right?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Damn. So before he could be sentenced, Bernhardt escaped. To Sonola, Mexico.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: So maybe he did have other places. All right.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: He was helped by his girlfriend, Lucinda Jane Weissman Marrera.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: She got too many names.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Wait, she look like she in a movie. Oh, she
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: is in a movie. She is?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, she look like she's in a movie,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: but she in a movie.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: She gives me like 1950s or like 40s black and
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: white actress.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Blown away?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Mr. Rutherford.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Predator. The Silencer.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, she was in Predator 2.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Predator 2. Be clear.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Wasn't Predator 1.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Wasn't Predator 1. But she was in Predator 2.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: She was in Predator 2, Electric Boogaloo.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. And The Silencers, 96. And that's the last.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: She's married to Jim Minara. None of this means things
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: Anything.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Nothing about this. But you know what? Lucinda,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: you a baddie.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: You a baddie. Lucinda Weiss.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: That's pretty. She pretty.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I feel like she was acting for a little bit
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: just to buy the time.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She wanted to scam.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: So prosecutors said that she was under the romantic influence
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: of a charming, skilled liar. Yeah. Mm-mm. Okay. So she
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: said she was influenced by the boy. The boy's a liar.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: So she paid $ 3, 500 to aid and abet a criminal. Also, like, babes,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: if he's so romantic, why are you paying $ 3, 500 for
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: him to leave? It's not like y'all breaking up.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Where are you sending him to? Are you going
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: with him?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Are you going with him?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: And $ 3, 500, that's not small change. That's not small change.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: That's not small change. You got to check in with
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: the business manager for that much.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: To start a long-distance relationship?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Listen, it's not all here. Mm-mm. Bless her heart.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: So she also bought two burner phones from Best Buy.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Uh-oh.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: So they could stay in touch.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Uh-oh, that's a scammer.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Bernhard, what did you do to this lady?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, why is she buying burner phones?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Ooh.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Where do you even buy a burner phone?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, if she was in those
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: movies in the 90s, the photo that we saw is
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: not her current, like, age.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Oh. So this sounds like an age-appropriate relationship. Okay, okay.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: So maybe she was just happy that he wasn't trying
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: to date a tween.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she wanted the love.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was age appropriate.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: He was good at lying, lying so good.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: And he had some money.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: 65 years of experience lying.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he, yeah.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Because I feel like he came out the womb with
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: the lies.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: He had to.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: He was a white man. Ooh.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like he stayed in there too long. I
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: feel like his mama had to induce. Yeah. He wasn't
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: trying to stop squatting.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: That's why his nose looked like that.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. You see it.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: You see it.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I see it.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: You see it.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I see it. It makes sense to me. Mm-hmm. So
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: in September, Mexican law enforcement found Bernhard with a false
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: ID in violation of Mexico's immigration laws.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: That's right, Mexico.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Come on, tables.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: Come on. Come on, Mexican immigration laws. Turn them. Go ahead,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: turn them, bitches.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Come on, Miguel.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: But he got away again.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: And Lucinda booked him a hotel room in Mexico City,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: and he got a plane for Munich the next day. Now,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he got away because, you know, the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Federales be like, you did something bad. We'd hate to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: have to lock you up.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Give me that $ 3, 500. Right.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Well, Lucinda gave it away. Yeah. So the FBI is offering,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: so he left for Munich. Okay. The FBI is offering
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: a reward of $ 150, 000. $ 1, 000 for information leading to his capture.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: $ 150K? That's a lot of money.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: That's nothing to sneeze at.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Like, $ 150K, I want to look for.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: I'll find him. Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to become a bounty hunter.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: I will absolutely find that man for $ 150K. And this
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: has got to be, girl, we all got to have
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: multiple jobs in this economy.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: And he's 65. I feel like I could do a
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: quick Facebook search.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he ain't moving that fast. Yeah, find him, tackle him,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: bring him in. Where do you think he is?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, he is in Munich, so I feel like
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Munich would be a little harder to find him. I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: feel like I could take a trip to Mexico.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and get him.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but in Munich.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like more work.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's giving, like, Liam Neeson and taking.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't do all that.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: My hips aren't good.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I'm tired.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my knees. My knees. My back and my knees.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: Back and my knees. Different time, different time.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. How do you feel about Bernhardt?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Or Bernard.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Why can't we just burn hard?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: Burn hard? I mean, my feelings about him are, I
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: hope he gets caught. Because I don't like a white
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: man getting away with the bullshit. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Like, every day in America?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I hope he gets caught. I hope all
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: of them get caught. And that we prevail. And become
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: the kings and queens.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: That we are.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: That we already are.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do... I mean, investors who invest in apps
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: typically have a lot of money to throw away. Sure.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: And they tend to also, especially VCs and stuff, they
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: tend to invest in a lot of projects. And it's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: like the casino. You know most of the startups will fail,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: but hopefully you hit one Uber. Yeah.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: What are those called? Unicorns? No. Yes? Maybe.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: Something like that. Okay, we'll get it.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so it feels like they probably have a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: lot of money to spread around and They'll be fine.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, the thing is, it's like scamming the rich,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: so I'm not as invested.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: And I mean, if he already had a house in Malibu,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: it seems like before he was scamming, he was doing
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: pretty well.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Because I'm saying 65 is late in life to start scamming.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Is it? Is it? I mean, you can start whenever.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: I guess anybody can scam. You just have to have
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: a dream. You do.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: You just have to have the dream. I mean, look
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: at Samuel L.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Jackson.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Wasn't he in his 40s when he got his first
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: big role?
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: You're right. I thought you were saying, Samuel L. Jackson
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: was scamming. I said, well, he's scamming. No.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: But yes, you're right. Morgan Freeman was in his 60s
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: when he got his first.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Morgan Freeman's been old since he was born.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. He came out then.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I have never not seen that man with gray hair.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Actually, I've never seen a young picture of Morgan Freeman.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's almost doing it on purpose now.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: I think so, which is good. It's for the brand,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: keeping the brand safe.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: I remember they used to do those memes where they
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: had celebrities who are older now, but there was like
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: their baby picture. And then Morgan Freeman, it would just
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: be Morgan Freeman. Diseased.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: He ain't ever been young. Is he alive?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Is he alive?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Shut up. Cut that. Cut that, cut that.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: Cut that. Because I ain't heard from him in so long.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: He's supposed to call you directly?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: No, I just meant like, you got a movie coming
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: out or nothing?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, he done been talking on Everybody's Everything for
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: so long.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: You know, he do that, yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he might be chilling a little bit.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: That's good. He got the money to chill. But I'd
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: like to see him. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe if you Google him. I'm sure he's been doing things.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Somebody Google Morgan Freeman. Make sure he's okay.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: Just make sure he's okay.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: We don't need to be losing nobody else right now.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: No, no, I love him.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: That's my boy.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, though. Like, I think 65
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: is a little old to get into it. However, I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: will not doubt there's no ageism on that. There is
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: ageism for me in the government, though. The White House, Congress,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: and Senate should all have age limits. We have age minimums.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: We need age maximums. Got minimums.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Need maximums.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: What do you think the oldest president should be?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: I think the oldest president should be is... 65.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. 65 and I think you're good.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Let's just leave it at retirement age.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Yes. That's when you can retire.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: And then sit the fuck down.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because after that, you're making rules for a world
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: you're not going to live in. So why would you care?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: What are you doing here?
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: They weekend in Bernie's, Dianne Feinstein.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Our own damn state. She voted and the next day
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: she died. Yeah. How are you.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Voting for the future you're definitely not going to see?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: You're voting and then you're going to die and leave
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: us with your vote.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: With your vote.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: That seems crazy and inconsiderate and selfish, quite honestly.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: And also, it's just been proven that the old... older
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: people get, statistically, the more selfish they get. And so
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: having all these selfish, nasty bastards in office, like, they
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: don't care.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: About what's happening. Because they're navigating their mortality and they're
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: not in therapy. And so they're just trying to hold
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: on to their power and, like, feel their power.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Because once you age, youth is power.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Money is power. Yeah.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: You know, having influence, significant influence like that is power.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: And so once you lose the youth power, some people
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: can't let go of that. So they have to go
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: into either the money power or they have to go
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: into the political power. They need something. Because, like, look,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: they may be the ugliest motherfucker you've ever seen, but
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: every time they walk in a room, they feel like
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Beyonce because they're famous. So you're looking at them. They
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: nasty looking. But, you know, every time Mitch McConnell poked
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: the head out that shell, somebody is looking at his
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: nasty ass.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: And we're talking about it, but that's because they don't
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: love themselves. If you love yourself, you don't need all
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: that fake power because that fake, the political power or
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: whatever that is, is fake power. Yeah. It's like you're
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: doing something to.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Make you feel. It only has as much power as
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: we give it value to. So once we decide that
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: we don't believe anymore, and unfortunately that is the scam
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: of this. Look, we have had a long episode, so
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: I won't get into that.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: But next time, the bonus.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, the bonus.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: And the bonus.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: But that's one of my favorite things. I don't have
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: many things that are favorite.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Actually, none. But about Orange Man's presidency is that he
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: completely debunked white supremacy. All of this time, they have
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: been telling us that white people are better at everything
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: than us.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: And that lady lasted five days. But the whole administration.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: They hired her. I know, the whole administration.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Y'all are supposed to be telling us this is the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: best you got, this is the most attractive you got,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: this is the supreme? This is supreme.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: This is superior?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Supreme? Y'all supremacists, right? This is supreme?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: This is crazy.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: This is not getting supreme?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: Y'all should be embarrassed. Embarrassed.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Y'all should have left DEI right where it's at. And also,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: please stop using DEI as a pejorative. Even if you
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: think you're insulting that Katie lady and being like, see,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: she was a DEI hire. That's not what DEI means.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: It means diversity, equity, inclusion, and all of those people
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: who got those jobs. A lot of white men, white women,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of those people, most of those people who
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: got those jobs... not only deserved them, they worked twice
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: as hard to get half as far as the other
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: people who have been in those positions easily because they
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: were like Katie, who was just white and blonde in there.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: So please, I know even if you're being an ally
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: to the cause or, you know, you believe, don't use
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: DEI to chastise the idiots on the other side because
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: the words don't mean things. It means diversity, equity, and inclusion.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: And we were always equal. And, and, Most times far better.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: And had to be.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: All the time. Had to be. That's not even a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: supposed thing.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: We had to be because everybody's watching us, okay?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: And then, look, even the fact that they gave her
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: a press tour after that speech that she did, that horrible...
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: That horrible performance she did in the press corps room.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: After that, she went on a press tour. And it's like, no,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: they should have handed her her walking papers right when
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: she cashed off that podium.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: They should have interrupted her at the podium. Yeah.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: If it was a white woman, they would have been like, oh,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: you got to go.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: Cut the camera. Cut the camera.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Deadass.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Deadass.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, deadass.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: Turn it off.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Turn it off.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: No one shut the lights off.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: They can't see us.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: They can't see us.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Damn. Yes, but congregation, thank you so much for coming
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• 1:12:03
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• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: All of those things. Absolutely.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: I would like to be found on Instagram at Brandon
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  Speaker 1: Even if you don't have it right now.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: You got credit.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Even if it's only a little bit.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: Even if it's only a little bit. You got credit.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: The fact that you're alive means you got credit.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Yes. The fact that you're alive means you got credit.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: You don't have to have the money all the time.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: As long as there's breath in your body.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: Ah, there's credit, honey.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: There's credit. Hey, yeah.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Thank you so.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Much, Brandon.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: Thank you!