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Special Crime Stories Weekend Update: SHE’S OUT! Netflix Star Fake heiress Anna Sorokin HEADED FOR MANHATTAN TO SELL HER “ARTWORK” · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Fake f a k e. Pseudo, pretend, imaginary,
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  Speaker 1: call it whatever you want to, but this woman, Anna
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  Speaker 1: Sarokan is a mastermind. Her whole alter ego of Anna Delvi,
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  Speaker 1: a an heiress of sorts who takes the man patting
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  Speaker 1: social scene by storm and builks people out of thousands
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  Speaker 1: and thousands of dollars. She's created an entire fake persona
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  Speaker 1: Anna Delvi. She's really really Anna Sarrokin, and she's a
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  Speaker 1: Netflix star of venting Anna. I watched all the episodes
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  Speaker 1: so I wouldn't miss a crimey detail. Anna Sarokan has
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  Speaker 1: just been released from a jail. And while her alter
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  Speaker 1: egre maybe fake, the money she's pulling down from her
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  Speaker 1: art is anything, but it is real. How is she
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  Speaker 1: doing it? How did she do it the first time?
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  Speaker 1: Scamming hundreds of people for thousands and thousands of dollars?
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  Speaker 1: Tens of thousands of dollars? I mean, I see, Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here
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  Speaker 1: at Fox Nation. In Serious X one eleven in the
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  Speaker 1: Last Days, Anna Sarokan is released from jail in Upstate
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  Speaker 1: New York in an effort to trick paparazzi. She's taken,
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  Speaker 1: like a celebrity movie star out of the jail in
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  Speaker 1: a tinted window white van through a back street to
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  Speaker 1: you know, evade everyone trying to get a picture of her.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you probably would want to charge the money
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  Speaker 1: for it, and off she goes. She goes straight from
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  Speaker 1: jail after being convicted of Bill King, friends and others
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  Speaker 1: well over a quarter of a million dollars about three
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars Banks Hotels, swanky New York Eateryes, financers,
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  Speaker 1: so called friends. Well, for the last eighteen months, he's
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  Speaker 1: been in ice custody. I guess watching reruns of her
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  Speaker 1: Netflix series Inventing Anna, but she has headed straight to
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  Speaker 1: house arrest. And believe it or not, the brazen, the brazen,
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  Speaker 1: fake Heiress Anna Sarokan actually staged a photo shoot at
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  Speaker 1: her Walk Up apartment where she's on house arrest by ice. Again,
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  Speaker 1: the fake German Heiress Anna sarokin She's seemingly making the
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  Speaker 1: most of her time on house arrest, posing for cameras
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  Speaker 1: at her walk Up apartment where she will stay as
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  Speaker 1: she fights deportation. All this as she flogs sells hawks
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  Speaker 1: her so called artwork. In a way, it reminds me
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  Speaker 1: of Jody Arius. How many love lorn men have paid
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  Speaker 1: good money for Jody arius artwork. Remember, she murdered her lover,
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  Speaker 1: Travis Alexander stabbed them at least twenty nine times I
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  Speaker 1: say thirty. Kind of hard to tell because some of
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  Speaker 1: the stab wounds actually overlap the other stab wounds before
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  Speaker 1: she capped it off with a cap in the head
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  Speaker 1: with her handgun. She's selling artwork too, to guys that
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  Speaker 1: actually think they are in love with her and that
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  Speaker 1: she is in love with them. Little do they know
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  Speaker 1: unless they're listening right now, that she actually traces those
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  Speaker 1: pictures out of magazines and then sells them to the
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  Speaker 1: love lorn. Anyway, back to Anna saro A ka Anna Delvy,
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  Speaker 1: we now know that her artwork is being sold. Not
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  Speaker 1: only is she hawking her artwork, she actually was invited
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  Speaker 1: to speak at Columbia Journalism School. She surprised journalist students
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  Speaker 1: last month when she appeared virtually at their intro to
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  Speaker 1: reporting class. She took that opportunity to trash the press
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  Speaker 1: and talk about how she was so misconstrued, so misunderstood.
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  Speaker 1: But first, can we just talk about the photoshoot. The photoshoot,
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  Speaker 1: what do you say narcissistic? She's ripped off so called
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  Speaker 1: friends and others for nearly three hundred thousand dollars that
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  Speaker 1: we know of, Yet she immediately stages a photoshoot while
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  Speaker 1: she's on home house arrest. How did that happen? As
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  Speaker 1: she is selling her artwork and staging photo shoots and
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  Speaker 1: speaking at Columbia Journalist School, can we just have a
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  Speaker 1: reality check? Take a listen to Inside Edition. She claims
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  Speaker 1: she was a wealthy heiress from Europe worth more than
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  Speaker 1: sixty million dollars, but it was a lie. An Asurkin
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  Speaker 1: went to prison for two years for defrauding banks, hotels,
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  Speaker 1: and even her closest friends out of hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 1: of dollars. Her trial drew international attention. This woman made
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  Speaker 1: national headlines posing as a wealthy woman. Now, the woman
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  Speaker 1: known as the SOHO Grifter is speaking to ABC's Deebrah Roberts.
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  Speaker 1: This is the first time you've sat down for television interview.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you talking with us? Why not? I would
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  Speaker 1: like to show the well, I'm not this greedy person
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  Speaker 1: that they portrayed me to be. You ask her who
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  Speaker 1: she really is? Did she tell you Anna Saurgan is
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  Speaker 1: very complicated character? You might believe that Anna Saurgan is
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  Speaker 1: a very gifty, clever, want to be businesswoman or a
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  Speaker 1: complete con artist. And there are many people in her
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  Speaker 1: wake who would tell you that she is the classic
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  Speaker 1: con artist. Why can't she be both? Why can't she
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  Speaker 1: be a great business person and the ultimate scammer? I
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  Speaker 1: see her as both. Take a listen hour cut one
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  Speaker 1: from the Vanity Fair special Scandalous. By twenty sixteen, Anna
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  Speaker 1: delvi was a regular in the NYC social scene, frequenting
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  Speaker 1: many popular downtown restaurants, bars, and clubs. With an extravagant
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money. Delvie was
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  Speaker 1: an enigma that was made for the age of Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: always at the right place, with the right people, living
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  Speaker 1: her best life, but with no apparent cause for her fame.
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  Speaker 1: With Me and All Star Panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we know right now With Me Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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  Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and hosted Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Donna Rockwell Special Guests joining US clinical psychologists in
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  Speaker 1: both Michigan and New York specializing in celebrity mental health
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  Speaker 1: on faculty Saybrook University. Jim Ellis with a Special Guests
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  Speaker 1: joining US certified fraud examiner, former fed with the FBI.
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  Speaker 1: Don't mess with this guy, FBI agent twenty nine years now,
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  Speaker 1: Private investigator at jk E Texas Private Investigator jke Texas
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  Speaker 1: dot com. But first, I want to go to a
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  Speaker 1: woman I've been dying to talk to, Rebecca Rosenberg with
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  Speaker 1: Fox News Digital. She's a crime reporter and author of
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  Speaker 1: a fantastic book At any Cost, Rebecca, who is this woman?
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  Speaker 1: Who is this woman? Well, her family came from Russia,
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  Speaker 1: they moved to Germany, and I believe her father was
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  Speaker 1: actually a truck driver. She does not come from a
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  Speaker 1: wealthy family, and she just invented this identity when she
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  Speaker 1: came to New York. Now, her coming to New York
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  Speaker 1: was quite a story. So Russian born moving to Germany,
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  Speaker 1: the child of a truck driver. She ends up getting
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  Speaker 1: a job or an internship that takes her to Paris.
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  Speaker 1: From there, the position brings her to New York. I
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  Speaker 1: believe it was Montalk and then she very simply overstayed
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  Speaker 1: her visa, which thousands of people do every year, but
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  Speaker 1: none do it in the style of Anna Sirokin. And
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut six our friends at
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  Speaker 1: Inside Edition. She in a courtroom or at a red
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  Speaker 1: carpet event. Anna Saurkin is accused of posing as an
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  Speaker 1: heiress to live an extravagant lifestyle, but it's what she's
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  Speaker 1: wearing to trial that is making headlines. The twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: year old defendant showed up wearing a form fitting black
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  Speaker 1: dress with a plunging neckline and choker necklace. It's a
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  Speaker 1: look that could backfire. Warren stylist Don Karen black dress
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  Speaker 1: definitely a no no. It hyper sexualize her, It makes
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  Speaker 1: her appear to be like a seductress. The choker kind
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  Speaker 1: of shows to me that she's trying to be overtly sexy.
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  Speaker 1: The more sexy she appears to be it hurts her.
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  Speaker 1: Sourkin is so obsessed with her clothes she refused to
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  Speaker 1: enter the courtroom because the outfit she was given to
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  Speaker 1: wear was not up to her standards. The angry judge
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  Speaker 1: told her this is unacceptable and inappropriate. This is not
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  Speaker 1: a fashion show. Wow, Well, you know what, it didn't work.
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  Speaker 1: She continued wearing design her clothes to every single court appears.
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  Speaker 1: But this goes way back her. Her desire for a
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle she could not afford started in her teens. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listening to every Buddy Jesse Palmer at Daily MAILTV, Anna,
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  Speaker 1: who interned at a trendy French magazine, reportedly managed to
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  Speaker 1: scam extended stays in swanky Manhattan hotels, dinner at high
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  Speaker 1: end restaurants, and flights on chartered jets to finance her
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  Speaker 1: lavish lifestyle and keep the grift going. She allegedly built
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  Speaker 1: banks out of thousands in cash. And that's not all.
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  Speaker 1: The fake heiress reportedly fleeced her friend out of sixty
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  Speaker 1: two thousand dollars for a world class trip to Morocco.
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  Speaker 1: But Anna went too far when she attempted to take
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  Speaker 1: out a loan for twenty two million dollars to finance
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  Speaker 1: a visual arts center she called the Anna Delvi Foundation.
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  Speaker 1: In all, Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand dollars and a double life began
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  Speaker 1: to crumble as hotels went after her unpaid debts and
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  Speaker 1: banks began to investigate her alleged assets. Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. For those of you just joining us, I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace and this is crime story. Thanks for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. You know, it seems like the bad keep
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  Speaker 1: making more money while the goods suffer. How can that be?
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  Speaker 1: How can fake Harris Anna Sirokan, who would like you
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  Speaker 1: to think her name is Anna Delve? How comes she
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  Speaker 1: is getting art shows at galleries? How comes she is
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  Speaker 1: selling a piece of paper she scribbled on behind bars
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  Speaker 1: for twenty thousand dollars? Why is she getting a photo shoot?
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  Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about millions of working moms every day
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  Speaker 1: who were prettier, smarter, and certainly more honest. They don't
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  Speaker 1: get a photo shoot. She pretended to be the heir
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  Speaker 1: to a sixty million euro fortune and she ripped off
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  Speaker 1: about two hundred thousand dollars from banks hotels. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's just me, but to you, Doctor Donna Rockwell
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  Speaker 1: joining US Clinical Psychologist Faculties Saber University. Doctor Rockwell, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know very many people except maybe Eloise, that lives
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  Speaker 1: in hotels. No, I guess we don't really know many
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  Speaker 1: people who live in hotels. But It's very posh, isn't
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  Speaker 1: it to do that? She might be a eloise poser,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, but you know that makes her look really
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  Speaker 1: unattainable and like she's got lots of money. So I
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  Speaker 1: think people in her situation will do anything they can
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  Speaker 1: to look like they're billionaires, not even millionaires. And Rebecca
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  Speaker 1: Rosenberg joining us in Fox News Digital. Rebecca, she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just staying down at the Motel six. She was staying
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  Speaker 1: a very very expensive and luxurious hotels. Yes, she was
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  Speaker 1: staying at eleven Howard Street for a very long time.
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  Speaker 1: It racked up a bill that tens of thousands of dollars,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where she lived here for a big chunk
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  Speaker 1: of the times in New York. You know, it was
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  Speaker 1: really interesting that she created this illusion that super rich
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  Speaker 1: and super educated people fell for, and I guess you'd
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  Speaker 1: call it New York society. Until she went and basically
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  Speaker 1: invited herself to be on a yacht in Ibiza, and
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  Speaker 1: then after everyone got off at the end of the vacation,
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  Speaker 1: she and her boyfriend turn around and get back on
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  Speaker 1: and stay for another week or ten days. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Jim Ellis, you're the certified fraud examined her former FBI
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  Speaker 1: agent twenty nine years For beat's sake, when you commandeer
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  Speaker 1: a yacht with a captain and a staff and all
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  Speaker 1: food and you're out at sea and the gas that
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  Speaker 1: is a huge bill, a huge bill. And frankly, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she probably could have been stopped and exposed at that
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  Speaker 1: point if any of these people along the way he'd
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  Speaker 1: lost money, who got you enticed by her story, had
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  Speaker 1: actually applied reason and common sense at a certain point,
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  Speaker 1: things wouldn't have gotten as far as as they did. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's really interesting. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author
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  Speaker 1: of Red Flags. You can hear her on today with
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  Speaker 1: doctor Wendy CASEYBQ. Doctor Wendy, I find it, Wendy Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: I find it really interesting that the owners or the
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  Speaker 1: people that had rented the yacht originally didn't go after her.
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  Speaker 1: Now they were are really really wealthy hamp Tonights. And
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you some thing, Wendy, I've been
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  Speaker 1: to the Hampton's a couple of times for charity when
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  Speaker 1: I would be speaking to a group or raising money
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  Speaker 1: somehow or other. That's the same, Wendy, I couldn't wait
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  Speaker 1: till I packed up my little rental car and got out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I knew I was a dog upstairs. I
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  Speaker 1: did not fit in. That was not where I was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be. And these rich people that got ripped
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  Speaker 1: off but didn't report it what they didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: look stupid or what. Yeah, I know that's right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like you. I'm more I'm more familiar with the
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  Speaker 1: Hampton Inn with the free breakfast. I'm stealing it. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the this is the problem with the
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  Speaker 1: super super rich. And it is a problem because financial
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  Speaker 1: responsibility should be everyone's responsibility. But they probably either didn't
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  Speaker 1: know where didn't care. Why do I say that, because
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  Speaker 1: we've covered so many stories where you do have the
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  Speaker 1: ultra rich that are scammed are defrauded by somebody like Anna,
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  Speaker 1: but don't consider it in the balance to be worth
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  Speaker 1: their while to pursue it, not realizing there may be
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  Speaker 1: so many other victims that they might be preventing by
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  Speaker 1: putting it into it sooner rather than later. That may
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  Speaker 1: be why they didn't say anything. I'm not quite sure
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenborg what her motivation is other than just living
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  Speaker 1: the high life. But imagine the impact she could have
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  Speaker 1: made being the daughter of a truck driver. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the daughter of railroad worker and a bank teller,
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  Speaker 1: and I know my parents worked overtime to send me
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  Speaker 1: to college, send me to law school, and so much more.
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  Speaker 1: She actually has a brilliant mind. Yeah, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that if she had been honest about her origins,
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  Speaker 1: anybody and the people that she was trying to hang
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  Speaker 1: out with the New York that they would have really
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  Speaker 1: paid attention to her. We know she was born in Russia,
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  Speaker 1: grew up in Germany. Her father worked at a transport company.
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  Speaker 1: It went and solvent. At nineteen, she left her parents
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  Speaker 1: and brother for Paris to pursue fashion. She has only
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  Speaker 1: ever spoken very vaguely of her parents, who she terms conservative.
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  Speaker 1: But while she's in Paris, she takes on the name
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  Speaker 1: Anna Delvi and she shoots photographs for a fashion art
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  Speaker 1: magazine named Purple. She only got four hundred euros a month,
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  Speaker 1: and she stayed financially dependent on her parents, who would
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  Speaker 1: send her money and pay for her apartment. Then she
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  Speaker 1: had a breakup, headed to New York and she went
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  Speaker 1: for a trip to Montauk and then fashion week, and
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  Speaker 1: that really did it. When she was at fashion Week,
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  Speaker 1: there was no suggestion she would ever turn back. She
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  Speaker 1: went from boutique hotel to boutique hotel, always handing out
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  Speaker 1: crisp one hundred dollar tips and putting off bills with
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  Speaker 1: promises of wire transfer. Then never happened. So, Rebecca Rosenberg,
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  Speaker 1: I know we've got the one victim, Rachel Delosa Williams,
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  Speaker 1: but that's two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. What
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  Speaker 1: about all of the hotels and all the other people
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  Speaker 1: she ripped off a lot of people didn't come forward.
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  Speaker 1: And actually Rachel Delosia is really interesting because at the
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  Speaker 1: end Rachel actually couldn't get paid restitution because the jury
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  Speaker 1: did not find Stroken guilty of ripping her off. That
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  Speaker 1: was kind of that was one of the charges they
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  Speaker 1: did not convict on. Take a listen, our cut five
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  Speaker 1: be our friends at time. Prosecutor Katherine McCaw says, the
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  Speaker 1: defendant has not a sent to her name as far
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  Speaker 1: as we can determine, also noting that Sorokin is Russian born,
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  Speaker 1: not German, though she could be deported to Germany no
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  Speaker 1: matter how the trial turns out. As she's reportedly overstayed
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  Speaker 1: her visa. Under the name Anna Delvi, she arrived in
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  Speaker 1: New York with a high priced wardrobe and was known
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  Speaker 1: for handing out one hundred dollar cash tips, reportedly saying
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  Speaker 1: at different points that her father was a diplomat, an
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  Speaker 1: oil baron, or involved in the solar panel business, none
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  Speaker 1: of which are the case. People who knew her said
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  Speaker 1: she often asked others to use their credit cards to
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  Speaker 1: cover cab and plane fares and then failing to repay them.
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg Netflix multi episode creation Inventing Anna. What is it?
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  Speaker 1: It's a show based on her life story, so based
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  Speaker 1: on her, it kind of glamorizes her. I'd say her
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  Speaker 1: criminal activity in New York for which she was convicted,
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  Speaker 1: and she sold her life rights to Netflix for them
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  Speaker 1: to do the show. So this woman cons she cons big.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut two from Vanity Fair.
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  Speaker 1: Prior to their departure, Davis's manager told her Delvi's bill
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  Speaker 1: and room charges were starting to mount and we're still unpaid.
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  Speaker 1: As a result, the hotel changed Delvi's room code and
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  Speaker 1: detained all of her personal belongings. To renew her visa,
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  Speaker 1: Delvey said she had to spend intervals of time out
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  Speaker 1: of the country, so she decided to embark on an
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  Speaker 1: adventure to Morocco. She invited her New York City circle
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  Speaker 1: of friends. This trip was the quintessential example of the
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  Speaker 1: lavish lifestyle that Delvey was known for, a private villa
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  Speaker 1: with a personal butler, all for just a mere seven
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars a night. During their trip, Delvey, making one
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  Speaker 1: excuse after another, press Williams to pick up the tab
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  Speaker 1: more and more frequently, eventually covering costs for dinner and
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  Speaker 1: expensive Moroccan dresses, a stark change from the days Delvie
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  Speaker 1: would pay for everything. Then, one morning, Delvey was informed
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  Speaker 1: by a hotel employee that they did not have a
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  Speaker 1: working credit card on file. Delve brushed this off as
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  Speaker 1: an issue with her bank, but soon after Williams was
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  Speaker 1: pressured into putting down her credit card by hotel management
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  Speaker 1: staff and security members. Knowing something was not right, Williams
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  Speaker 1: left Morocco. Will Delve stayed behind crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: In the last hours, fake airis Anna Delvi Sirokan was
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  Speaker 1: spotted at the window of her New York apartment. She's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be spending twenty four hours a day there
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  Speaker 1: under ice detention after convincing a judge to free her
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  Speaker 1: before she's deported. And I gotta tell you, I actually agree,
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  Speaker 1: believe it or not, with Anna Delvi Sarrokin on this one.
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  Speaker 1: Why are we letting murderers and rapists and dope dealers
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  Speaker 1: free who should be deported, yet we're keeping this thirty
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  Speaker 1: one year old female scammars behind bars? You know, frankly,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to have them all behind bars, But if
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  Speaker 1: somebody's going to be released, I guess it should be her.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of the worst choice of all. But that said,
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  Speaker 1: she's managed to make the most of it. She was
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  Speaker 1: recently seen I'm referring to the fraudster Anasarokan hanging out
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: of her window in the East Village apartment in Manhattan
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: having a photo shoot. She hung out on her rooftop
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: with her agent. Yes she has an agent and a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: PR guru, Yes she has a PR guru during a
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: photo shoot. And I'm looking at the photos right now,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm just as guilty because I'm actually looking
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: at the photos. I'm looking at a video of her
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: right now, hanging out of her apartment window for a
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: photo shoot. But that's not all. You know what, if
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: this woman wants to sell twenty thousand dollars pieces of artwork,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: if there is a nut out there that will buy it,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you know what, get after it, girl. But let's not
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: forget about the people that were fleece out of good
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: money by the so called heiress. Jim Ellis joining us
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: former fed with the FBI. Have you ever seen anything
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: like it where a person who is so obsessed with
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a lifestyle or getting money actually has alternate identities and
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: scams and lies to even their closest friends they're lovers.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. I mean in her heart, Anasauric is a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: con and she basically just cares about herself and she
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't care what's left in her wake. And I've seen
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: this through my career, both as an FBI agent and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: as a private investigator. People act the same way. I'm
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: familiar with one con artist who dressed up. He's a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Southern Baptist boy from Louisiana, and he dressed stuff like
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: an Hasidic jew complete with clothing and makeup, so he
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: could go vouch to other people in the Jewish community
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: for himself. I mean that people will go to no
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: ends to satisfy their greed, to satisfy their want for
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: fame and power. How do you untangle a case like this, well,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously from a law enforcement perspective, you don't
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: even know about it to somebody reports it. I think
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the one thing that that the Netflix show did a
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: good job of, even if it partly is fictionalized, is
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the dog at work of the the investigative reporter. You
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: can only tell so much online. You have to get
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: out there and talk to people and get actual documents,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and that's the only way to untangle the deceit that
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the con puts up. I'm thinking about her personality. She
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: goes to trial, she goes to trial. I want you
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to hear what the attorney said in court takeless a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: cut seven air Prince at Guma. She had to fake
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it until she can make it. Those words from the
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: defendant's own attorney, who claims she never intended to commit
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a crime, but prosecutors call her a fraud and a
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: liar who would do almost anything to prolong her life
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of luxury. This morning, the fate of an alleged scam
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: artist is now in the hands of a jury, both
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: sides wrapping up arguments for a case that's drawn international outrage.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: The style savvy defendant even turning heads in court wearing
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: an animal print dress. She called herself Anna Delvi, a
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: fashionable globetrotter who prosecutors say was pretending to be a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: high flying German heiress living a fairy tale life of
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: glitz and glam among Manhattan's elite. Wow, Okay, take a
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: listen to her. Anna Sirokan, in her own words, are
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: cut nine from the BBC. Did you get a thrill
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: from it? I mean, were you satisfied when you got
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: away with something, when you achieved something, when you slipped
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: under the radar and didn't have to pay? Was it thrilling?
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not, because in my head I never thought that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I was cheating or getting away with anything. In my head,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: like any money that would borrow from them, they would
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: be getting back. And I felt like they portrayed me
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: is like someone who is very manipulative, which I don't
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: think I am. And I was never really liked too
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: nice of a person. I was never like really trying
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to talk my way and say anything. I kind of
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: just told people what I wanted and like the either
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: gave it to me or not, and I just moved on.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: But she taught them into what she wanted through lines.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, Donna Rockwell, we really need to shrink. How
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: can she take hundreds of thousands of dollars in luxury hotels,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: clothing that she got her friends to pay for, wrecking
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: up credit cards she needs? She'd never pay back hundreds
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars in credit cards, all based on lies.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, she had to know that was wrong. She
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't just faking it, fake it till you make it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: She was outright lying for goods and services. Yes, she
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: was outright lying. That's how we see it. It's interesting,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: you know, because a person who has early life narcissistic wounds, okay,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I see, I don't know what that means, what it
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: means that someone is only really thinking about themselves. But
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you said a narcissistic wound. What's a narcissistic wound? I
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: know who narcissis is, but what's a narcissistic wound? When
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: we're babies, If our mother or primary caretaker doesn't look
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: at us and say, who's a pretty baby? Who's a
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: pretty baby, we don't know that we exist. So without
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: early life mirroring, meaning the parent or the caregivers looking
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: at you, you know you're existing, you're smiling back. There
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: becomes a deficit that develops in a person, and that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: is who becomes a narcissist or a self serving person
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: in adulthood, and we probably know many of them in
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: our own lives. However, in the context of same, there's
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: something called acquired situational narcissism, which means that the situations
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: that we come into after we're a baby, in other words,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: like Anna when she was in her nineteen and in
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: her twenties, is enough to turn us into that kind
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: of a person, meaning all for me and none for you.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And how does she get away with that? She gets
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: away with it because she's in denial, which is a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: psychological coping mechanism. So the only way that she can
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: do these things is to not have a conscience, to
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: not think about it. So she has a sense of
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: acquired situational narcissism because of her situations and then wanted
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: more of it and more of it and more of it.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And what people don't really understand about saying is that
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it is addictive. As heroine the second we get a
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: taste of the spotlight, most of us we want more
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and more and more. And that's what happened with Anna.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: She was in denial. She was projecting anything that she
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: was thinking about herself onto other people. She asked for
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: what she wanted, as we just heard on the tapes,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: she got it or she didn't get it, and she
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: moved on. She did not have a conscience to think
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: about is this the right thing? Am I hurting anybody?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: That's not how these people think. And it became more
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and more and more because same is addictive, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Wendy passion. She may have justified it in her own mind,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: certainly not defending her, because this is irrational red. This
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: is not reasoning, it's irrational. She was taking from rich
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: people in the Hamptons. I'm talking to like thirty million
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: dollar homes with you know, guesthouses that are bigger than
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: our homes or apartments. She was taking from someone that
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: could afford it, while she overstayed on the yacht for
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: a week because somebody else much richer than her was
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: paying for it. So I wonder in her mind did
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: she justify it that way? Only had it been a
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: very short amount of time or something overall week gand
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: or maybe even a week, but the amount of time,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the duration that this went on, there was no conceivable
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: way in her mind that she possibly could have thought
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: she would pay any of it back. You know, she
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: may have faked it until she made it when she
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: first got to New York, but when stealing money from
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: others over that period of time, faking it is fraud.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Hopefully that was a sound bite somebody used at her trial,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: because there's no other ways circumstantially you can justify that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: many victims over that long a period of time, and
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: even now it's still all about her. Take a listen
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to our friend Emily Mateless at the BBC cut ten.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Why do you think so many people believed you then?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: What was it in your personality that could convince people?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think like maybe believed I was
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: smart and I was working on something that was that
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: could have like a great potential and that would be successful.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't feel like it has much
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to do with my personality. I guess i'd like I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: really believed in myself and what I was doing. I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's hard to explain. I guess like
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: people just see like I'm talented, and I was fokist,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and I worked hard, and I couldn't make them a
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: lot of money. Rebecca Rosenberg worked hard at WHAT. Every
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: time I see a photo or a post of her,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: she's on a luxury trip or she's shopping at WHAT. Well,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I think I think her a lot of her victims
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: wanted to believe in her success because it meant their
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: success too. You know, if she's saying, Okay, I'm going
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: to build this Anna Delby Foundation in Manhattan for twenty
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: two million, and you know one of the person, one
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of the people she'd do with, the architect, well for him,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you know, he he wanted to be involved in that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: big project, so he wanted to sort of believe the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: lie because it would ultimately help him. So I think
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of it was people wanting to kind of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: believe it was true because there was an advantage to them.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: These are just some of the things. And I want
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to go to you on Jim Alice that we have
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: unco word falsifying financial documents from international banks wait for it,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: totally approximately sixty million euros securing a loan of one
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: hundred grand after lying to bank reps from CTI, depositing
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: countless bad checks and to other banks. I guess you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: know how you flow to check. You deposit a check,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you woudraw the funds, and then you try to short
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: up from another bad account so that won't fall through,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and then another You basically play ropa dope on banks.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: That was totally nearly eighty thousand dollars. That doesn't include
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the money she conned off her friends, never paying them back,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: theft of services almost a half a million dollars. I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: mean that's a lot of money. Jim. Oh, absolutely, it's
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of money. And you mentioned it earlier you
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: weren't sure how she ever worked hard. She worked hard
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: in preparing all these fraudulent documents and passing all those
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: bogus checks and coming up with stories that were plausible
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: but yet not too specific. The life of the con
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: is hard work, and they do it for the for
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the power, they do it for the money, they do
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: it for the thing. I think she solved the banks
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: as her potential savior. You know, you think of of
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: like Elizabeth Holmes with Sarinos. You know, was she a
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: genius or was she a scam artist. You know, if
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: if if Sorkin was able to produce all these phony
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: documents and convince a bank to lend her twenty two
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: million dollars, So why explain that to us mere mortals?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: What do you mean, produce phony documents and convince big
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: banks to learn her a lot of money? Sure it happened.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: You know, she apparently was really adept in in Adobe photoshop.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, she was taking documents and altering them to
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: convince the bankers that she had Swiss bank accounts, that
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: she had trust documents, that she had lawyers and CPAs
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: or accountants over in Europe. And it was going, at
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: least to a certain extent, probably until it hit the
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: underwriting department, the people in the back of the office
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: who make sure everything's all the boxes are checked. It
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: was it was painting a picture of her, of exactly
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: who she was claiming to be. And I think as
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: she probably she possibly could have felt that if she
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: was able to land that roan, in her mind, she
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: probably was going to pay all those people back that
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: she had scammed prends. In her mind, it's and she
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: may have we don't know, she's kicking the can down
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the road, she's getting her next victim and when that,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: when it comes time pay them back, she'll worry about
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that later. It's it's never ending. I mean, it's it's
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: what brings down every Ponzi scheme in the end. And
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: this wasn't a large scale Ponzi scheme, but you know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: some of them money she scammed from from through those
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: phony checks that she deposited with City Bank and the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: loans she got from um City National Bank. She used
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: to pay some of her debts that to the hotels
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: and other businesses so that she could stay afloat and
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: maintain that illusion. Well, Jamlis, I guess what you're saying
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: is she would pay back the hotels to the extent
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: that she could get them to allow her to stay
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: there for even longer. I mean, what does it mean
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: to Kata check? Well, to Kaida check. And it's a
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: lot harder nowadays than they used to be because the float,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: which is the time that the check is deposited into
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: one bank and actually clears in the originating bank, it's
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: so much shorter. But you you basically take a check
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and you present it to a bank that you know
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: is worthless, ordered may appear it has funds, but by
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the time that check is presented for payment to the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: originating bank, and I'm sorry this is probably very very technical,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: there aren't any funds available. And from what I read,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: she's submitted one hundred and sixty thousand dollars worth of
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: fraud in the checks and she was able to get
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: seventy thousand in cash out of it. That's a that's
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: actually a really good turnaround on the scam, guys. I
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grayson missus Crime Stories. Fake eiris Anna Sirokan, who
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: fleeced New York society to the tune of nearly three
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, was turned into a Netflix star as
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: now selling her quote quote artwork she created behind bars
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: for up to twenty thousand dollars a piece as she
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: looks for ways to bring in the green after being released.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: But as we hear about her art shows and her
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: artwork and her photo shoot while she's on house arrest,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: can we just think back to how the hey she
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: ended up behind bars? Anyway, take a listen to our
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: friends at GMA Good Morning America. The courtroom drama played
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: out late into the evening. At one point, the jury
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: appeared deadlock, the defense asking for a mistrial, but then
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the verdict jurors agreeing with the prosecution that Annasaurkin built
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: her fairytale life on a foundation of theft and lies. Overnight,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: a New York City jury finding socialite Annasaurkan, a so
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: called SOHO grifter, guilty on eight counts, including grand larceny,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: attempted grand larceny, and theft of services. Prosecutors arguing the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: twenty eight year old stole a quarter of a million
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: dollars from banks, hotels and friends to fund a lavish
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: lifestyle tour. Is obviously believed our point of view and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: followed our logic and acquitted her for the top charges.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sad and that she was convicted of some of
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the other charges. Sorkin was acquitted of two charges, including
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the most serious, so attempting to steal more than one
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: million dollars from City National Bank. She now faces deportation
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and up the fifteen years in prison. Jee Rebecca Resibery,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: joining us from Foxy's Digital, explained the split verdict. What
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: was she convicted on? Anne on? What was she acquitted?
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: She was acquitted on trying to score this massive twenty
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: million dollars loan, which was one of the top charges.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: That was the attempted grand larceny, and she was acquitted
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: of stealing the number kind of buried, but around seventy
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: thousand from Rachel Deloche. That was the trip that she
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: invited her best friend at the time, Richard delochean to Morocco,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: where they stayed in the seven thousand a night Riad
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: in maritsh And at the end of the trip she
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: stuck her with the bill. She persuaded her to put
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the entire trip on her credit card and she would
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: pay her back. So those were the two main counts
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: she was acquitted on and then she was convicted in
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: She was convicted in the chartered plane incident. Wait, wait,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: let me let that so Ken Rebecca Eisenberg. They chartered
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: plane incident. What was that? So it was called Blade
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: as the company, and she persuaded them to fly her
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: without paying up front to a Berkshire Halthaway conference in
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Omaha and basically was like, I'll pay you later, and
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: they thought she'd paid them later and she didn't. And
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that was about thirty five thousand dollars. It was a
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: chartered flight. They chartered flight incident Okay, so she ends
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: up going to not just jail, but to Rikers. Is
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: anybody on the panel familiar with Rikers? Okay, yes, just
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: by reputation. Yeah, you don't want to go there unless
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you have to take a Listen to Anna Sorokin speaking
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: to our friend Deborah Roberts at ABC. Now thirty years old,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Sorkin says she's paid for her mistakes, her time behind bars,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: including nineteen months in New York's infamous Rikers Island, jailed,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: some of it in solitary confinement. You're being held in Rikers,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: one of the most frightening jails in the country. What
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: was that like for you? Were you terrified in a
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: way that was therapeutic? I mean it's a therapeutic I
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: for example, use the time, like to read a lot
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and to write. You've heard that you've said that it's
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a prison is kind of a waste of time. Yeah,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: taking a person, stripping them off everything, putting them somewhere
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: where they have pretty much very few opportunities to rehabilitate.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: So how is this supposed to help someone who already
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: had to resort to life of crime? And that tells
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: me right there that Anna Delvi aka Anna Sirokin learned
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: nothing from our time behind bars, Wendy Patch rate nothing.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: It also tells us that she's admitting that she resorted
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to a life of crime, which countradicts everything she said
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: before the trial and even in some interviews after the trial.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: She knew because she wasn't working, as you pointed out
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: several times, there was no way she was going to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: be able to repay these loans. But sitting through the trial,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: sitting in Riker's Island prison therapeutic, you have to wonder
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: whether she received special treatment. We don't know one way
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: or the other, but it is very interesting that her
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: attitude apparently hasn't changed. I'm sure she got special treatment
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: because she had managed to convince everyone that she was
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: a celebrity that deserves special treatment. You know, Rebecca Rosenburk,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I understand the not guilty on the
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: sixty grand she ripped off from Rachel Delisha Williams. What
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: was the jury's thinking. Well, I spoke to a couple
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: of jurors after the verdict, and they kind of felt
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  Speaker 1: that in the end, Rachel came out ahead, even though
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  Speaker 1: it was this like really stressful situation for her where
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  Speaker 1: she had put the payment for this trip on her
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  Speaker 1: work visa card and just you know, it was a
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  Speaker 1: sum of money that was greater than what she earned
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  Speaker 1: as a salary. But eventually, you know, she did, she
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  Speaker 1: did end up with I think her book advanced was
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  Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars. I don't know what she got
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  Speaker 1: paid from HBO. So I think that they just didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel that bad for her. But why because why did
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  Speaker 1: they not feel bad for Rachel Williams Because she was
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  Speaker 1: also using Anna Sarroca. You could say, like she, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of weird, like she's going out with Anna
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  Speaker 1: all the time, and Anna it's always paying for absolutely everything.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's I personally wouldn't feel that comfortable
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  Speaker 1: if I was going out with somebody, even if they
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  Speaker 1: were much wealthier than me, with them footing the bill
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  Speaker 1: every time. So I think that was kind of their reasoning.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to what happens immediately when she walks
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  Speaker 1: out from behind bars our cut fourteen inside edition. You
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  Speaker 1: walked out of prison a free woman, Hiana. What was
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  Speaker 1: the first thing you did that brought me my phones?
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  Speaker 1: I got on social media. She came out of prison
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  Speaker 1: and immediately set down to do this interview with us,
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  Speaker 1: and immediately went on social media and immediately started to
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  Speaker 1: resume kind of a glamorous life. Sorkin is now back
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  Speaker 1: in custody awaiting a hearing to see if she will
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  Speaker 1: be deported to Germany. The big question is will she
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  Speaker 1: be released, She could be in the next few weeks,
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  Speaker 1: and will she be deported. But whatever happens, there is
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  Speaker 1: no question in my mind that we have not heard
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  Speaker 1: the last from Annasaurikin. So the first thing she does
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  Speaker 1: is hot on social media. What does that tell you,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Rockwell, the same thing it tells you, doctor Grace,
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't feel bad about one thing through this
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  Speaker 1: entire event, that there's a lack of conscience, and that
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  Speaker 1: she was loving the spotlight and she couldn't wait to
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  Speaker 1: get back into it. As I say, it's an addiction.
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  Speaker 1: It makes the hormones flash in your mind, you have endorphins.
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  Speaker 1: Your brain comes alive with your own image and you
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  Speaker 1: love it, you salivate over it. And that's what happened
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  Speaker 1: to Anna Sorkin. Jim ellis certified Fraught Examiner or now
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  Speaker 1: with his own firm, JKE Texas dot Com, Jim shopaholics
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  Speaker 1: or people that get a thrill out of buying things.
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  Speaker 1: I think Anna Sirokan aka Anna Delvi got a thrill
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  Speaker 1: of some sort of this fake life she was leading.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think someone like her can turn over a
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  Speaker 1: new leaf or is this just who she is? Well,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: that's a good question. I mean, I always hope I
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: didn't say what you hope, Jim Ellis you investigated so
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: many con guys, what do you think they don't stop?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, as you pointed out, she immediately got back
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  Speaker 1: on social media, And I agree with doctor Rockwell that
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  Speaker 1: it was for the endorphin rush of getting that hit,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: of getting that fame and putting out that projection. But
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  Speaker 1: I think it's also a certain aspect that is rebuilding
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  Speaker 1: her stature so that she can now see where she
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  Speaker 1: can get her next meal ticket from. But who in
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: their right mind would want to work with somebody that
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  Speaker 1: just got out of prison for defrauding hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 1: of dollars from the people she was closest to. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I may have an answer. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to my long time friend and colleague at ABC,
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  Speaker 1: Deborah Roberts our Cut twelve, now out on parole. Sorkin's
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  Speaker 1: documenting her freedom on social media, moving into a new apartment,
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  Speaker 1: shopping and dining out her new life, financed partly by
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: a Netflix deal she signed while behind bars. It's said
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  Speaker 1: to be worth just over three hundred thousand dollars. Many
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  Speaker 1: people would find that very strange that you had gotten
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  Speaker 1: into trouble, you went to trial, you went to prison,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a Netflix deal around your story. I find
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  Speaker 1: it strange steal. So were you sort of milking your
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  Speaker 1: crime for the fame? No, definitely not. Do you feel badly?
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  Speaker 1: Do you have regrets? I feel like I'm just trying
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  Speaker 1: to deal with the consequences of my actions. I was young.
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  Speaker 1: I would not repeat my actions. I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 1: make the best out of my situation. I was yaying
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  Speaker 1: it was just a couple of years ago. I've got
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: a funny feeling. We ain't seen the last of Anna Sarokan.
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  Speaker 1: Oh excuse me, Anna delve Nancy Gray Crumb Stories signing
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  Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend.