Latest / Stugotz and Company / Set 1: Another Great Draft for the Giants (w/ Joe Schoen)

Transcript

Set 1: Another Great Draft for the Giants (w/ Joe Schoen) · Stugotz and Company

0:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, that.
0:02
Speaker 2: Chuck Norris was chasing the Tyrannosaurus Rex. The rex was
0:06
Speaker 2: not chasing the jeep. Murray, Murray, you there. You love sandwiches. Huh,
0:11
Speaker 2: let's go to eighty.
0:13
Speaker 3: He was bo.
0:16
Speaker 1: Wow that Prime Time. Maybe I had a crush on
0:18
Speaker 1: Betty Rubbell.
0:19
Speaker 4: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went
0:22
Speaker 4: to commercial break, had no idea that Jonathan Coachman was black.
0:25
Speaker 1: He caught them the game last night, although they won
0:28
Speaker 1: the game. You're listening just to Godson Company.
0:31
Speaker 4: It is the Godson Company presented by Van Duel and
0:34
Speaker 4: the Vanduel Sportsbook Giants General manager. Joe Shane's going to
0:37
Speaker 4: join us in about ten minutes. Excited for that. He's
0:40
Speaker 4: a friend. They'll say it on the front end. He's
0:41
Speaker 4: a friend. He deserves better from that giant fan base. Taylor,
0:45
Speaker 4: you'll laugh at this. Mikey A and I were having
0:47
Speaker 4: a discussion last night as it relates to Joe Shane,
0:52
Speaker 4: because this is a man who when he was in Buffalo,
0:55
Speaker 4: was part of the group that traded up, identified that
0:59
Speaker 4: Josh Allen was going to be this good and was
1:01
Speaker 4: part of the group that traded up to get the
1:04
Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills, Josh Allen, and then he comes to New
1:07
Speaker 4: York and he gets your neighbors, and he gets you Thibbideaux,
1:10
Speaker 4: and he gets your Scataboo, and he gets your Molik neighbors.
1:15
Speaker 4: And the drafts, for the most part, have been pretty good.
1:18
Speaker 1: The results haven't been great.
1:20
Speaker 4: But the draft's been pretty good, so much so that
1:23
Speaker 4: the roster is good enough to attract one of the
1:25
Speaker 4: great coaches in the history of the NFL in John Harbaugh.
1:29
Speaker 1: He chose to be the Giants head coach.
1:31
Speaker 4: And I promise you had that roster not been good enough,
1:35
Speaker 4: John Harbaugh would not be the head coach of the
1:37
Speaker 4: New York Giants today. But the conversation we were having me.
1:40
Speaker 1: And Mikey A. Taylor was do you know what Jet.
1:43
Speaker 4: Fans would give to have a general manager like Joe Shane?
1:50
Speaker 4: And so that it morphed into if it doesn't work
1:53
Speaker 4: out with the Giants, me and Mikey will introduce them
1:56
Speaker 4: to the people with the New York Jets And I'm like, my.
2:01
Speaker 1: What are you talking about.
2:02
Speaker 4: He's Joe Shane, the GM of the Giant's former assistant
2:06
Speaker 4: GM of the Bills. He's inside that division forever. He's
2:09
Speaker 4: in that city, He's in that market. I said, he
2:12
Speaker 4: doesn't need our help being introduced to the New York Jets,
2:15
Speaker 4: to which Mikey responded, but does he know Joe Beningo?
2:22
Speaker 5: Does he even know Joe Biningo? Oh no, does he
2:25
Speaker 5: even have his number?
2:26
Speaker 4: So the only reason I bring this up is I
2:27
Speaker 4: have asked Mikey at the end to ask a totally
2:30
Speaker 4: clunky question, Uh, do you know Joe Banningo, not just
2:34
Speaker 4: of Joe Shane, of every guest we have moving forward?
2:38
Speaker 6: Mikey thinking he has better connections than the Joe Shane
2:42
Speaker 6: in the NFL.
2:44
Speaker 5: Does he even have Joe Beningo's number?
2:46
Speaker 1: That's my question. Listen.
2:47
Speaker 4: The key to getting the jets GM job, and perhaps
2:49
Speaker 4: it's why we've been bad for so long, is you
2:51
Speaker 4: got to get through Joe Bininga.
2:53
Speaker 7: Yes, he might have Woody Johnson's number, he might have
2:59
Speaker 7: Darren moo She's number, he might have everybody in that
3:02
Speaker 7: organization's money number.
3:04
Speaker 5: But does he have Joe Beningo's.
3:05
Speaker 1: Number, that's right, and his approval? Yes?
3:07
Speaker 6: Yes, So for the people outside of the New York market,
3:10
Speaker 6: do you guys want to explain who Joe Beningo is.
3:13
Speaker 1: It's a midday host Wfan legendary.
3:15
Speaker 4: I would put him on the Mount Rushmore of WFAN
3:17
Speaker 4: host Come, I would, no, I would. You started out
3:20
Speaker 4: as a caller, a caller who parlaid it into a
3:23
Speaker 4: midday show, leading into Mike and the Man Dog.
3:27
Speaker 8: This was the guy that got Robert Salah in trouble
3:30
Speaker 8: because he was him and Robert Saller exchanging text messages
3:33
Speaker 8: on how to best work the jets going forward.
3:36
Speaker 5: So don't tell me he doesn't have power. Joe Beeningo's
3:38
Speaker 5: the guy.
3:39
Speaker 4: Now, perhaps I got carried away and said he's on
3:41
Speaker 4: the Mount Rushmore of Wfan host of all time. I'm
3:44
Speaker 4: not let me think about it, Mike Chris, Okay, we
3:46
Speaker 4: check check?
3:47
Speaker 1: Can they be one? Those are one? Mike?
3:49
Speaker 4: And then don I miss check? Okay, that's true. Uh,
3:52
Speaker 4: he's on the Mount Rushmore. And then I really I
3:55
Speaker 4: believe I am.
3:57
Speaker 1: I wrong here, mikey. I believe it's Steve Summers and
3:59
Speaker 1: Joe Beningo. I'm not even joking.
4:01
Speaker 4: And by the way, Steve Summers is a book out
4:03
Speaker 4: and I have demanded that Tailor get him on the show.
4:05
Speaker 1: I mean the schmoozer about that.
4:07
Speaker 5: I'm putting salakata on there, or of course you work.
4:10
Speaker 1: Jesus had a cup of coffee. It was a delicious cup. Though, Well,
4:17
Speaker 1: who are you taking off?
4:20
Speaker 5: Not Joe, Jo, Joe, Maybe Joe over Steve Sommers. Let's
4:27
Speaker 5: see if we can get Joe on.
4:28
Speaker 4: So listen, if the mount Rushmore consisted of five or
4:31
Speaker 4: six faces, Jo, it's only four brabs are get carried.
4:38
Speaker 4: I'm leaving off some major names, John Manko m the Makeman,
4:43
Speaker 4: Eddie Cazari.
4:47
Speaker 1: And the great Al Dukes of course, and Boomer Hm Boomer.
4:55
Speaker 1: Boomer is deserving him consideration. Is he done?
4:57
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been there, He's been there so long.
4:59
Speaker 4: At this point, I think wfan really worried about what
5:02
Speaker 4: would happen once I Miss went away because the thought
5:06
Speaker 4: process so it is, yes, we're twenty four hours, twenty
5:08
Speaker 4: four to seven radio station, but I Miss did talk
5:11
Speaker 4: and the numbers were so monstrous that the lead in
5:14
Speaker 4: for the midday show and then Mike and the Mad
5:16
Speaker 4: Dog was so massive they just they just couldn't turn
5:19
Speaker 4: it down, and so they went with imis. It was
5:22
Speaker 4: great for the station, but they were really concerned when
5:24
Speaker 4: I miss left, and how are we going to fill
5:26
Speaker 4: the void? And if I asked you thirty years ago, hey,
5:29
Speaker 4: they're gonna fill the void of don Imis with Boomer
5:32
Speaker 4: asias it, you would have laughed me out of the room.
5:36
Speaker 4: But Boomer's done it. I mean, Boomer's had a Hall
5:38
Speaker 4: of Fame radio career. I would say Boomer's radio career
5:41
Speaker 4: and his media career was better than his football career.
5:44
Speaker 4: And his football career was great.
5:46
Speaker 6: But that huh So for somebody who's not as familiar
5:51
Speaker 6: with Steve Sommers, how would you describe his radio Because
5:54
Speaker 6: I'm looking at his memoir of his book and I
5:56
Speaker 6: actually saw it when I was at Barnes and Noble
5:59
Speaker 6: this last weekend. His memoir was released in November twenty
6:03
Speaker 6: twenty five. Me here you there, my three decades overnight
6:08
Speaker 6: under the covers, schmoozing sports as Captain Midnight for WFA.
6:13
Speaker 6: A little wordy of a title.
6:14
Speaker 1: No, it's not heid as many words as he wants me.
6:18
Speaker 1: There you there, However he said it. That's the way
6:20
Speaker 1: he started just about every show.
6:22
Speaker 4: He's the godfather of sports radio, him and Ed Kaplan,
6:27
Speaker 4: And hey, that's how I would describe him. He was
6:32
Speaker 4: a guy in the overnights. You were under your sheets,
6:34
Speaker 4: you were under your covers, you were there. He was here.
6:38
Speaker 4: He was the schmoozer and he was fantastic. He was great,
6:43
Speaker 4: perfect boys to put you to sleep.
6:45
Speaker 6: I believe Jerry Seinfeld wrote the forward.
6:47
Speaker 1: In his book.
6:48
Speaker 4: Jerry Seinfeld loves it, doesn't love Salakata, loves him just
6:52
Speaker 4: enough to invite him to a spring training game, but
6:54
Speaker 4: not give him his number. Okay, I promise you that
6:58
Speaker 4: Steve Summers and Jerry Seinfeld that broke bread together.
7:01
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm telling you I'm passover. How about that? Wow? Yeah,
7:06
Speaker 1: no big Jewish holidays together. I'm speculating. I have no
7:09
Speaker 1: idea if they've ever done it to friends. They already
7:13
Speaker 1: wrote him forward, he did forward? Who wrote my forward?
7:17
Speaker 1: I forget always dead? Who guessie? Jerry's was way nicer.
7:28
Speaker 4: Levantar Matt Rushmore of South Florida radio host at Kaplan,
7:33
Speaker 4: Hank Manditch me Joe Shane next. Good to see my
7:49
Speaker 4: friend Joe Shane, general manager of the New York Football Giants,
7:53
Speaker 4: kind enough to join us during a busy time for him.
7:56
Speaker 4: The last few months have been kind of busy for you, Joe,
7:59
Speaker 4: it's been it's been quite the roller coaster.
8:01
Speaker 1: Uh, what, Mikey, is this a busy time? I know
8:04
Speaker 1: last week was a busy time.
8:05
Speaker 5: But is this a busy time?
8:07
Speaker 6: I feel like it's always there, right.
8:10
Speaker 1: You're talking to me. I feel like it's always a
8:12
Speaker 1: busy time for Joe. Shane.
8:13
Speaker 4: It's been quite the roller coast in the last few months,
8:15
Speaker 4: has it not.
8:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been. Uh, it's been a lot of fun.
8:19
Speaker 9: Though again obviously going back the season didn't go the
8:21
Speaker 9: way we wanted to, so we can probably start back
8:23
Speaker 9: in September. But yeah, so it's been a long nine
8:25
Speaker 9: or ten months. But it's been a lot of fun.
8:27
Speaker 9: You know, the coaching search and being able to to
8:31
Speaker 9: land coach Harball and you know, get him as our
8:33
Speaker 9: head coach, and then getting right to work with the
8:35
Speaker 9: coaching staff, and then free agency, you know, combine draft.
8:39
Speaker 5: It's just been it's.
8:40
Speaker 9: Been a lot of fun, a lot of hard work,
8:42
Speaker 9: a lot of long days, but again, feel really good
8:45
Speaker 9: about where we are, you know, from from where we
8:47
Speaker 9: started when when coach was hired, and uh, looking forward
8:50
Speaker 9: to the season.
8:51
Speaker 4: What has surprised you the most about John Harba, the
8:54
Speaker 4: person Joe oh.
8:56
Speaker 5: Man, there's a lot.
8:57
Speaker 9: He's a he's a special individual. He's a he's a
8:59
Speaker 9: great football coach, which a great leader. You know, our
9:02
Speaker 9: players have been in for three weeks now, so just
9:04
Speaker 9: the messaging at team meetings, how well thought out. That
9:08
Speaker 9: is the why why we do everything. And you know,
9:11
Speaker 9: just his work ethic. You know again, he's he's the
9:13
Speaker 9: first one in, you know, in the building in the morning.
9:16
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't even know what time.
9:16
Speaker 9: He gets here before, and.
9:20
Speaker 1: You should be getting there before him. I just want
9:22
Speaker 1: to tell you that again. I tried.
9:24
Speaker 6: I used to.
9:24
Speaker 9: I used to be the first one in, but not anymore.
9:26
Speaker 9: I'm like, I can't get up any earlier then he
9:30
Speaker 9: used to beat me in. I think some of it's
9:31
Speaker 9: his competitiveness too, because the first couple of days he
9:33
Speaker 9: didn't and then after about the fourth day.
9:35
Speaker 5: I haven't beat him in since.
9:36
Speaker 6: So uh.
9:37
Speaker 9: But no, he's I mean, his his work ethic is
9:40
Speaker 9: he's got a plan well prepared. You know, how he
9:43
Speaker 9: how he leads the coaching staff, how he leads the building,
9:45
Speaker 9: the players. So just been really impressive with really impressed
9:48
Speaker 9: with him. Is an individual coworker, you know, a colleague
9:51
Speaker 9: of mine, you know, working hand in hand through you know,
9:53
Speaker 9: getting the staffing, you know, the plan for free agency.
9:57
Speaker 5: The draft has just been it's been a lot of fun.
10:00
Speaker 4: And how would you characterize your guys relationship right now,
10:04
Speaker 4: because you've had some time to that work together, maybe
10:07
Speaker 4: bond a little bit through the doing of the NFL Draft.
10:11
Speaker 1: Where is your relationship with John right now?
10:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's great.
10:14
Speaker 9: Again, we're I mean we probably grew up maybe I
10:17
Speaker 9: don't know, two hours from each other.
10:19
Speaker 5: You know, Midwest guys.
10:20
Speaker 6: His dad was a coach.
10:21
Speaker 9: You know, my dad coached a lot of my stuff
10:23
Speaker 9: as a kid. You know, just two hard work in
10:25
Speaker 9: Midwest guys that love football and just want to win,
10:27
Speaker 9: and we're going to do whatever it takes. And work is,
10:29
Speaker 9: however hard we need to to ultimately achieve that.
10:33
Speaker 5: So it was it was easy for.
10:36
Speaker 9: Us to get along from the beginning, you know, again
10:38
Speaker 9: just talking football, putting a plan together, and you know,
10:42
Speaker 9: again then the execution of it.
10:43
Speaker 5: So it's been great.
10:45
Speaker 4: I have said this a number of times in your
10:47
Speaker 4: defense and I'll continue to say it that you were
10:50
Speaker 4: the guy that put together the roster that was attractive
10:53
Speaker 4: enough for a coach like John Harbaugh to say, hey,
10:56
Speaker 4: I want to take that job, and so the criticism
10:59
Speaker 4: of UC means it seems ridiculous from my standpoint. But
11:02
Speaker 4: again I'm biased because I love you and i'm your friend,
11:05
Speaker 4: and I know you've.
11:05
Speaker 1: Done a good job.
11:07
Speaker 4: But that criticism seems ridiculous to me because you did.
11:10
Speaker 4: You put together a roster that was good enough for
11:13
Speaker 4: a Hall of Fame coach to want to come coach
11:15
Speaker 4: that roster.
11:17
Speaker 9: I appreciate you saying that, but at the same time,
11:19
Speaker 9: I got to look in the mirror, the records, the record,
11:21
Speaker 9: and but again, just you put your head down and
11:24
Speaker 9: you keep going to work, and you know eventually we're
11:27
Speaker 9: going to look up and you know there's hopefully it's
11:28
Speaker 9: gonna be a talented roster. And you know, I feel
11:30
Speaker 9: like we're trending in that direction and you know, getting
11:33
Speaker 9: the ability to you know, Adam elak Neighbors a couple
11:36
Speaker 9: of years ago, and then Abdul and Jackson and you
11:38
Speaker 9: know what we've done in free agency, and I feel
11:40
Speaker 9: really good about where we are right now.
11:42
Speaker 5: And it takes time. These things take time, and you're
11:45
Speaker 5: not going to be perfect.
11:46
Speaker 9: And I'm always you know, doing self reflection and what
11:48
Speaker 9: can I do better and where do we make mistakes
11:50
Speaker 9: and what went right in the process, So you know,
11:53
Speaker 9: always looking to do better and everything that we do.
11:55
Speaker 9: But you know, again it's we were able to get
11:58
Speaker 9: coach tar Ball. We had a bunch of good candidates
12:00
Speaker 9: we interviewed, and you know, again getting getting him was
12:03
Speaker 9: you know, very important terms of the trajectory of the
12:05
Speaker 9: organization in this team.
12:06
Speaker 1: You mentioned Malik dabors. I loved John's response.
12:09
Speaker 4: When you know, Malik was on the Micaeh Parsons podcast
12:12
Speaker 4: during the draft and that's where we are in twenty twenties,
12:15
Speaker 4: six Win Sports media and he's commenting on the pick
12:18
Speaker 4: of r Vel Reese All just simply.
12:22
Speaker 1: Said, who gives a bleep?
12:23
Speaker 4: Like it's gotta be refreshing to have a coach who's
12:26
Speaker 4: who's got so much job security, who was so secure
12:29
Speaker 4: in his own self that he's just like, hey, he
12:31
Speaker 4: said what he said, I love.
12:32
Speaker 1: The kid, and who cares?
12:33
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, yeah, it was.
12:36
Speaker 1: It was great.
12:37
Speaker 5: Malig did he came.
12:37
Speaker 9: He was the first person, the other in Coach Tarball
12:39
Speaker 9: that I saw in the building on Friday morning. He
12:41
Speaker 9: was he was up in our office early, and you know,
12:43
Speaker 9: we had it. We had a great conversation. And I
12:45
Speaker 9: love Malik, like the guy loves balls, He studies college film,
12:49
Speaker 9: he knows the NFL inside out, he knows players, so
12:52
Speaker 9: he's truly.
12:53
Speaker 5: Passionate about it.
12:54
Speaker 9: So you know, again, you know, it didn't come from
12:56
Speaker 9: any you know, what Malik said, we were fine with
12:59
Speaker 9: and we had a good convers station with him.
13:01
Speaker 4: Were you guys trying to convince Dexter Lawrence to stay?
13:04
Speaker 1: How did that work out towards.
13:05
Speaker 4: Towards the end of that Towards the end of that deal,
13:08
Speaker 4: he ended up trading him to Cincinnati.
13:10
Speaker 9: Yeah, we Again, Dexter is a guy that was, you know,
13:13
Speaker 9: productive for us throughout us time here and you know, again,
13:16
Speaker 9: tremendous asset to the organization. And and I love Dexter,
13:19
Speaker 9: and you know, we there's a business side of it too,
13:21
Speaker 9: and you know, we just couldn't come to agreement on
13:23
Speaker 9: the business side, and you know, that's what it was.
13:26
Speaker 9: And we were able to get, you know, what we
13:28
Speaker 9: felt was good value in terms of the tenth pick
13:29
Speaker 9: of the draft, and you know, so.
13:32
Speaker 5: We went ahead and made the move.
13:34
Speaker 8: Do you ever just want to have a normal off season,
13:36
Speaker 8: like where somebody where you don't have to deal with
13:39
Speaker 8: some major media thing about some player that wants this
13:42
Speaker 8: or that or trading picks or any of that.
13:44
Speaker 1: Just come golfing with me every Friday.
13:46
Speaker 9: Jesus.
13:46
Speaker 5: Yeah, I miss those days. I miss those days. Care
13:50
Speaker 5: in the world. Yeah, No, it's always something.
13:52
Speaker 9: It's always you know, we got ninety players in here
13:55
Speaker 9: and staff, and yeah, that's what that's what the job is.
13:57
Speaker 5: I can tell people, you know, generally generally managing a
13:59
Speaker 5: lot of things.
14:02
Speaker 9: Who on the zoom doesn't want more money. I'm sure
14:03
Speaker 9: you guys think you're worth more money. I mean, everybody's gone,
14:10
Speaker 9: you guys raised.
14:12
Speaker 1: I'm making I'm good.
14:16
Speaker 5: At least one person on.
14:17
Speaker 1: Here is I like that were so good. Were you
14:21
Speaker 1: surprised that Reese was there at number five?
14:24
Speaker 5: I was? I was.
14:25
Speaker 9: We thought it was a really good football player, and
14:28
Speaker 9: you know, through a lot of our mock drafts and
14:30
Speaker 9: our simulations, we just we we didn't really see a
14:32
Speaker 9: path where where he would be there, and we knew
14:35
Speaker 9: if one or two players, you know, when you know,
14:38
Speaker 9: when Bailey went to that's kind of where it started.
14:40
Speaker 9: The Jets did a really good job of keeping their
14:43
Speaker 9: keeping that close to the vest, and nobody really knew
14:45
Speaker 9: until they were on the clock whether it was Bailey
14:47
Speaker 9: or Reese. So once Bailey went, we thought there was
14:50
Speaker 9: an outside chance that that he.
14:52
Speaker 5: Could be there.
14:53
Speaker 9: You know, we we we figured Arizona was going to
14:55
Speaker 9: take love, didn't really know what Tennessee was going to
14:58
Speaker 9: do it for. And you know when they went to
15:01
Speaker 9: Carneal Tate, you know, we're staggered to get Rvil Reese there.
15:04
Speaker 1: If it wasn't Reese, where you going Bailey?
15:08
Speaker 5: Uh no, I mean Bailey wasn't wasn't available. So no,
15:11
Speaker 5: we we knew.
15:12
Speaker 4: About meaning had the Jets taken reason Bailey was still
15:16
Speaker 4: what was the plan if Reese wasn't there, right, we.
15:18
Speaker 9: Had enough intail to know that, you know, we're we're
15:21
Speaker 9: almost one hundred percent confident that Bailey would not be
15:23
Speaker 9: there no matter, no matter what the scenario was, one
15:27
Speaker 9: of those other teams would have taken him. So we
15:29
Speaker 9: never even really walked through that. Now, he's not an
15:31
Speaker 9: off the wall, he's not an off the ball linebacker.
15:33
Speaker 9: He's he's a he's a true edge guy, you know,
15:37
Speaker 9: so that would that would have been a hard one
15:39
Speaker 9: for us, just with with the current group.
15:40
Speaker 1: Of course, yes, yes, when he gets good. H Well, listen,
15:44
Speaker 1: you could have.
15:45
Speaker 4: Him in three or four years when the when the
15:47
Speaker 4: Jets f up his career and uh, and you'll be
15:49
Speaker 4: there to swoop in and take him. Okay, I said that,
15:51
Speaker 4: not Joe Shay, my friend, would never say that about
15:53
Speaker 4: the New York Jets. I am wondering what you love
15:56
Speaker 4: so much about Malachi Fields that you traded two picks,
15:58
Speaker 4: traded a third or fourth next year in a very
16:01
Speaker 4: deep draft next year. What'd you like so much about
16:04
Speaker 4: him that you moved up to get him.
16:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, we needed at it. We felt like we needed
16:08
Speaker 5: at a receiver to our group.
16:10
Speaker 9: And you know, he has a different body type than
16:13
Speaker 9: what we currently have, you know, six four and a
16:14
Speaker 9: half two hundred and eighteen pounds, you know, and sometimes
16:18
Speaker 9: you get these guys that are have that type of
16:20
Speaker 9: size and maybe they can't drop their weight or their
16:22
Speaker 9: stiff they can't, you know, they can't open up. Malachi's
16:24
Speaker 9: a guy that can drop his weight and he can
16:26
Speaker 9: run routes. He's got a tremendous catch radius, you know,
16:29
Speaker 9: strong after the catch, you know, on the you know,
16:31
Speaker 9: two year study, you know a little bit more versatility
16:33
Speaker 9: in his routes at Virginia than what he maybe did
16:35
Speaker 9: this year. But was a really productive player for Notre Dame.
16:39
Speaker 9: So a guy we really liked. And yeah, we gave
16:41
Speaker 9: up you know, basically a fifth this year and you
16:44
Speaker 9: know fourth next year, which is valued at a fifth
16:47
Speaker 9: this year. So you know, we thought the player was
16:50
Speaker 9: coveted by you know, the staff, and you know we
16:53
Speaker 9: were excited to get him.
16:54
Speaker 1: Golick's such a homer. I meant to tell you guys this.
16:56
Speaker 1: I got a text for.
16:57
Speaker 4: Both Golick and Golick Junior when Joe Shane and Hardball
17:00
Speaker 4: selected Malachi Fields and go accept me in text, best
17:04
Speaker 4: pick in the draft by your boy, Joe Shade.
17:07
Speaker 1: You're a homer. You have no idea if that's going
17:11
Speaker 1: to be the best pick of the drift.
17:13
Speaker 5: I hope he's right.
17:16
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Taylor, I'm sorry, Joe.
17:18
Speaker 6: What is the feeling like when you guys are like
17:20
Speaker 6: a pick away and then a team trades in front
17:23
Speaker 6: of you?
17:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you.
17:27
Speaker 9: You usually have a pretty good feel for maybe who
17:29
Speaker 9: they're coming up for or what they're doing. Not all
17:31
Speaker 9: the time, but you have an idea, so your heart
17:35
Speaker 9: does stop because you know, sometimes they come out there
17:38
Speaker 9: for a reason, or sometimes you know you're not guaranteed
17:41
Speaker 9: to get a deal done with that team, so maybe
17:42
Speaker 9: you start three teams ahead of us, and the team
17:45
Speaker 9: in front of us is the one.
17:46
Speaker 5: You can finally get a deal done with.
17:47
Speaker 9: So sometimes it's targeted because hey, we think the Giants
17:50
Speaker 9: are going to take player X. And then sometimes it's
17:52
Speaker 9: just you finally got somebody that can do a deal
17:54
Speaker 9: with you and you're coming up to get a player
17:55
Speaker 9: that you want to take.
17:56
Speaker 5: But yeah, your your heart does drop.
17:58
Speaker 9: I mean regardless whether so many trades for the pick
17:59
Speaker 9: or if there's a player there you're excited to get
18:02
Speaker 9: and tell that team in front of you picks and
18:03
Speaker 9: it's not your guy.
18:04
Speaker 5: You know, you do have some anxiety.
18:07
Speaker 3: How often in the draft room are you guys surprised
18:10
Speaker 3: with something that happens ahead of you, behind you, or
18:14
Speaker 3: how often are you almost like laughing at like they
18:16
Speaker 3: took him.
18:19
Speaker 9: Well, you know, try not to do that because some
18:21
Speaker 9: people may do that to us. Again, everybody has their.
18:24
Speaker 5: You know, you never know, but yeah.
18:26
Speaker 9: It's based off of where you where you have players,
18:29
Speaker 9: or you know, maybe it's a guy that had character
18:31
Speaker 9: issues and was off your board or some sort of issue,
18:34
Speaker 9: whatever it is. So you know, sometimes you'll get a
18:36
Speaker 9: chuckle out of it, but it takes a couple of
18:37
Speaker 9: years to let.
18:38
Speaker 5: It play out. And maybe they were right, maybe you
18:40
Speaker 5: were wrong.
18:41
Speaker 9: You know what what you hope for is the players
18:43
Speaker 9: that you take are the right ones, and that's what
18:45
Speaker 9: matters the most.
18:46
Speaker 4: Did you feel like you and John were working together
18:49
Speaker 4: in tandem on the draft or did you feel like
18:51
Speaker 4: this is this is John's draft and I just got
18:53
Speaker 4: to kind of spackle where I can.
18:56
Speaker 9: No, I was a great partnership, you know, or my
18:59
Speaker 9: skout did have? You know, they did a phenomenal job,
19:03
Speaker 9: you know.
19:03
Speaker 5: Throughout the process setting the board.
19:04
Speaker 9: You know, coach Charball does a ton of film on
19:07
Speaker 9: the the draft. You know, we give him those lists
19:09
Speaker 9: of you know, here here's the guys to look at,
19:10
Speaker 9: and then he would come in the meetings and you know,
19:13
Speaker 9: he had some opinions on players and would speak up
19:16
Speaker 9: and knows what he wants the football team to look like.
19:18
Speaker 9: And then you know, as the draft got closer, you
19:20
Speaker 9: kind of narrow the circle and you know a lot
19:24
Speaker 9: of really good dialogue, a lot of really good conversations,
19:26
Speaker 9: a lot of film sessions together, you know. Again, so
19:30
Speaker 9: really good process in place to lead to what we
19:33
Speaker 9: feel was really good decisions.
19:35
Speaker 6: Joe, how did you guys land on Francis Mauinoa at ten.
19:40
Speaker 9: Yeah, he was a a player we really liked throughout
19:43
Speaker 9: the process.
19:44
Speaker 5: Again, he was consistently, you.
19:46
Speaker 9: Know, probably a top ten player on our board starting
19:48
Speaker 9: back in you know, September when we start looking at
19:50
Speaker 9: these guys. So when you when you have a young
19:52
Speaker 9: quarterback like Jackson Dart, you want to keep him on
19:54
Speaker 9: his feet. And you know, it doesn't matter who you
19:57
Speaker 9: have at receiver, what weapons you have, if the quarterback
19:59
Speaker 9: can play on his feet, it's not gonna matter. So
20:03
Speaker 9: it was important for us to get c C you know,
20:05
Speaker 9: we got We brought back Jermaine and Luminyort right tackle,
20:07
Speaker 9: we got at at left, John Running at left guard,
20:09
Speaker 9: and then John Michael Schmidt at center. So like the
20:12
Speaker 9: offensive line, you know, getting along with some of the
20:15
Speaker 9: you know, the Isaiah Likely edition, you know, Malachi Fields,
20:19
Speaker 9: you know, brought in a full ball full back and
20:21
Speaker 9: Recard so excited about some of the offensive editions that
20:23
Speaker 9: we've added.
20:25
Speaker 4: Does Jackson say to you before the draft, Hey, Joe,
20:28
Speaker 4: Hey John, do me a favor, give me a fucking tackle,
20:30
Speaker 4: like I need some help here.
20:33
Speaker 1: How does that go?
20:33
Speaker 9: Doub Well, we got him an offensive lineman and a receiver.
20:37
Speaker 9: You know, most quarterbacks be happy with that combination. Happy
20:41
Speaker 9: with the combination for sure.
20:42
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm interested here because I care about you, and
20:45
Speaker 4: because I think you're deserve, deserving, and I think you're
20:47
Speaker 4: great at your job.
20:48
Speaker 1: Just the relationship with you and John.
20:50
Speaker 4: You feel like it's gotten stronger since he first took
20:53
Speaker 4: over as the.
20:54
Speaker 1: Head coach of the Giants. You don't like because Joe.
20:56
Speaker 4: For me, it's difficult right even after the draft what
20:59
Speaker 4: many people people would consider a good draft and a
21:01
Speaker 4: roster that is good enough to win that division. I
21:04
Speaker 4: see the two of you up on the podium together,
21:07
Speaker 4: and I don't see a guy that's sweating the rumors
21:09
Speaker 4: that he might be fired at the end of the week.
21:11
Speaker 4: I see two guys who are relaxed, smiling, working together
21:15
Speaker 4: and look pretty comfortable.
21:16
Speaker 1: You know.
21:17
Speaker 9: Yeah, a little bit of the world we live in
21:19
Speaker 9: stud You know, you can say, you say whatever you want.
21:21
Speaker 5: You can tweet whatever you want.
21:22
Speaker 9: There's no repercussions, just like you know, hey, we're Cavon
21:26
Speaker 9: Thibodau is getting traded on Friday or Saturday whenever that
21:29
Speaker 9: came out last and nobody's talking about that anymore.
21:31
Speaker 5: It's not true.
21:31
Speaker 9: You know, we shot it down. So again, what matters
21:34
Speaker 9: is what goes on in this building. And I know
21:36
Speaker 9: the relationship the coach, Harball and I have, and I
21:38
Speaker 9: know the coaching staff, you know, the scouting staff, everybody
21:41
Speaker 9: in this building. You know a lot of talented individuals,
21:44
Speaker 9: and that's really all it matters to me. You know,
21:46
Speaker 9: I don't get caught up and the outside noise of
21:48
Speaker 9: the rumors.
21:49
Speaker 5: You know, I know two.
21:50
Speaker 9: Guys have been working really hard to do what's best
21:52
Speaker 9: for this franchise, and you know, I like the trajectory
21:54
Speaker 9: want I like the off season we had, and you
21:57
Speaker 9: know we're going to look forward to continuing to do that.
22:00
Speaker 4: How do you keep it away from uh, from your family?
22:02
Speaker 4: Like that's difficult, that's tricky, Like does the wife? Do
22:05
Speaker 4: people get concerned within your family, like Joe, what the
22:07
Speaker 4: hell's going on here?
22:08
Speaker 1: Yeah?
22:09
Speaker 9: I mean it's everywhere, so it's only natural, you know,
22:11
Speaker 9: I kind of look at it.
22:12
Speaker 5: You know, you got a kid in college.
22:15
Speaker 9: You know, you got one that's a quarterback here locally,
22:17
Speaker 9: that's you know, a sophomore that you know they got
22:19
Speaker 9: to Back in the day when I was being recruited,
22:21
Speaker 9: they would send you letters and I would have to
22:23
Speaker 9: send DHS tapes. You now, you've got to be on
22:26
Speaker 9: social media to That's how these coaches interact with them.
22:29
Speaker 5: So they see it.
22:30
Speaker 9: But you know, again they're you know, I have good
22:32
Speaker 9: conversations with them, and it really doesn't matter, you know
22:36
Speaker 9: what the outside noise is. And you know, again keep them,
22:39
Speaker 9: uh protected as much as I can. So again, what
22:41
Speaker 9: really matters is.
22:42
Speaker 5: What's going on. You know in these four walls.
22:44
Speaker 9: You know, within nineteen twenty five giants drive and you
22:47
Speaker 9: know there's a lot of good people in this building
22:48
Speaker 9: that are working hard, and you know we're gonna get
22:49
Speaker 9: this thing going.
22:51
Speaker 1: Has the son's game, I mean, how is he good?
22:53
Speaker 1: It's got an arm.
22:54
Speaker 9: Yeah, he started as a sophomore, has some has some
22:57
Speaker 9: offers already on the table, so uh, it's a lot
23:00
Speaker 9: of fun. He still got two more years left and
23:02
Speaker 9: he's really into it. So they lost a tough one
23:05
Speaker 9: in the state championship game.
23:06
Speaker 5: And yeah, eleven and one, but uh yeah, he's a
23:09
Speaker 5: good player.
23:10
Speaker 4: Eleven one, Go ahead, Mikey. Jeez, yes, Jets need a quarterback.
23:14
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Mikey. They always do. Go ahead. But you
23:18
Speaker 1: threw me off with that, Joe.
23:22
Speaker 10: There's a there's a there's a an idea growing, at
23:26
Speaker 10: least in media circles about getting rid of the seventh
23:29
Speaker 10: round of the draft because nil is forcing, not forcing,
23:32
Speaker 10: but it's leading a lot of players to go back
23:35
Speaker 10: to school, so not as many of the talented players
23:37
Speaker 10: are coming out.
23:37
Speaker 5: I'm curious where you would stand on something like that.
23:41
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's an interesting question and something we're looking at.
23:44
Speaker 9: So we typically have like one hundred and forty guys
23:48
Speaker 9: on our board, and throughout my career that's always been enough.
23:52
Speaker 9: You may end up with eight or nine guys on
23:54
Speaker 9: the board at the end of it. This year, we
23:55
Speaker 9: had one hundred and eighty guys on our board, and
23:57
Speaker 9: I'm like, I'm stressing out. I'm like, this is way
23:59
Speaker 9: too many guys on the board. But the reality was
24:03
Speaker 9: the extra numbers were in the fifth, sixth, and seventh,
24:06
Speaker 9: So to me, it's a lot of those guys that
24:08
Speaker 9: go back for the nil because they're going to make
24:11
Speaker 9: more money at college. They're not going to be top
24:13
Speaker 9: draft picks, but they are who they are. So there's like,
24:16
Speaker 9: to me, where there's a surplus of fifth, sixth, seventh
24:19
Speaker 9: round guys more so than maybe the top top guys
24:22
Speaker 9: in this draft, and maybe it's going to be that
24:24
Speaker 9: way going forward. I'm not positive, but those are you know,
24:27
Speaker 9: there's still some good players in the fifth, sixth, seventh round.
24:29
Speaker 9: So we we did have a surplus, and we still
24:32
Speaker 9: ended up with only eight guys left on our board
24:35
Speaker 9: at the end of it.
24:36
Speaker 5: So despite having you know, significant amount of.
24:39
Speaker 9: Players, you know, more more numbers than what we typically have,
24:42
Speaker 9: we still ended up with, you know, getting only eight
24:44
Speaker 9: or nine players on the board. So you know, there's
24:47
Speaker 9: not I could think of one player, you know, maybe
24:50
Speaker 9: the I'm not going to say it, but like one
24:52
Speaker 9: player or two players that went back last year that
24:54
Speaker 9: I was really surprised that would have been maybe top
24:57
Speaker 9: fifteen picks, and you gotta wonder what they got paid
24:59
Speaker 9: to do that. But otherwise, you know, I think a
25:02
Speaker 9: lot of these players that go back maybe you know,
25:05
Speaker 9: day Day three players anyways, and it's guaranteed money from
25:08
Speaker 9: the schools.
25:09
Speaker 4: Joe, I love the roster, I said. Now listen, I'm
25:12
Speaker 4: prisoner of the moment I said. I said, right after
25:14
Speaker 4: the draft, I think you guys are going to win
25:16
Speaker 4: the NFC East. Do you feel like your roster is
25:18
Speaker 4: good enough to win the NFC East.
25:21
Speaker 5: I'm not getting get into predictions.
25:22
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I just want Howie Roseman to get
25:25
Speaker 1: pissed off.
25:25
Speaker 5: I mean, we gotta go do it again.
25:29
Speaker 9: Like you know, on paper and the a pluses and
25:32
Speaker 9: the draft grades, you know that just you know that
25:35
Speaker 9: doesn't mean much.
25:35
Speaker 5: We gotta we gotta go go out and do it.
25:37
Speaker 9: And like I said, I've got a lot of confidence
25:39
Speaker 9: the players are in this building and the coaching staff
25:41
Speaker 9: and coach Arball has a tremendous plan in place, and
25:44
Speaker 9: you know, look forward to getting camp and seeing how
25:46
Speaker 9: it all comes together.
25:47
Speaker 4: We'll get you out of here in just a second.
25:48
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Taylor, Joe, I would.
25:50
Speaker 6: Be a terrible GM because if I was picking a ten,
25:53
Speaker 6: part of my thinking would be, hey, we have to
25:56
Speaker 6: pick Caleb downs here because if we don't pick him,
25:59
Speaker 6: he's gonna go to Dow And then we're gonna have
26:00
Speaker 6: to play him twice a year. How do you kind
26:02
Speaker 6: of go into a draft avoiding thinking like that? With
26:05
Speaker 6: Sonny Styles going in division.
26:08
Speaker 4: He would take players because he doesn't want to play.
26:10
Speaker 1: Then later on, that's amazing, you would be terrible.
26:14
Speaker 5: There's somebody that can block those guys. I guess we
26:20
Speaker 5: said our board.
26:21
Speaker 9: You know that Caleb Downs are a really good player,
26:22
Speaker 9: Sonny Styles, those are all guys we spent a lot
26:24
Speaker 9: of time with and they're good players. And you know,
26:26
Speaker 9: it's situational based on your roster and how at the
26:28
Speaker 9: end of the day, you know how you stack your board.
26:31
Speaker 9: And again, we're more worried about the players that we
26:33
Speaker 9: did take than you know, the ones that we don't
26:35
Speaker 9: make sure we get the ones right that we did take.
26:37
Speaker 9: So we're we're happy with those two guys we got
26:39
Speaker 9: in the top ten.
26:40
Speaker 5: Coach, do you have Joe b Ningo's number?
26:46
Speaker 1: Now?
26:46
Speaker 4: Mikey and I were laughing job that the Jet fans
26:50
Speaker 4: would give anything to have a general manager like you.
26:53
Speaker 4: You're part of the group that traded up to get
26:55
Speaker 4: Josh Allen in Buffalo and then you came to New
26:58
Speaker 4: York and again you put together this roster with Jackson Dart.
27:01
Speaker 1: The league, neighbors and.
27:03
Speaker 4: Giant fans are still pissed off, and mikey A and
27:05
Speaker 4: I were laughing saying, do you know what we would
27:07
Speaker 4: give to have a GM like Joe Jane and so
27:10
Speaker 4: then he said, listen, we can connect you with the
27:12
Speaker 4: right people.
27:12
Speaker 1: And mikey A went on to say, yet.
27:14
Speaker 4: But do you know Joe Beningo as if he's the
27:17
Speaker 4: guy who could broke her deal in the event that
27:19
Speaker 4: the Giants, Like, if.
27:20
Speaker 1: Anyone had to do, yes, it's Beno.
27:23
Speaker 9: Yes, is gonna do a good job, Oiver.
27:28
Speaker 5: He had a good draft. He just had a good draft.
27:29
Speaker 1: Like there, I'm more concerned about you.
27:32
Speaker 4: I don't like the criticism you're getting. It's unfair to me.
27:34
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm gonna say it. It's unfair. I care
27:37
Speaker 4: about my friend Joe. He's not saying anything. He doesn't
27:39
Speaker 4: give a fuck about your criticism. I care about it
27:41
Speaker 4: because he put together a roster that got him one
27:44
Speaker 4: of the greatest coaches in the history of the game.
27:46
Speaker 1: Give him a break.
27:48
Speaker 5: I appreciate your support for sure, but comes with the territory.
27:52
Speaker 5: That's what I signed up with. And Uh, I'm gonna
27:55
Speaker 5: control what I can control.
27:56
Speaker 4: Yes, in that market, Giants, general manager, you know how
27:59
Speaker 4: much the fans care, and so you know in part
28:01
Speaker 4: it comes from a good place.
28:03
Speaker 1: From the fans. They just want the team to be
28:04
Speaker 1: good and competitive. That's it me too.
28:07
Speaker 5: We're aligned in that train of thought.
28:09
Speaker 1: Yes, but you are.
28:10
Speaker 4: And as someone who's a fan of a team who's
28:12
Speaker 4: never competitive and never good, I'm just telling you, hey,
28:15
Speaker 4: Giant fans, we'll take Joe Shane right now. Okay, we'll
28:18
Speaker 4: get him in touch with Beningo. Beningo, We'll get him
28:20
Speaker 4: in touch with the Jets, and we'll go from there.
28:26
Speaker 4: I promised that would.
28:27
Speaker 1: Make it uncomfortable. All right, we appreciate it.
28:32
Speaker 4: I'm happy to hear your relationship with John is getting
28:35
Speaker 4: stronger by the day, and I hope it continues to grow.
28:38
Speaker 4: I hope you guys have great success together because I
28:40
Speaker 4: think the world of you, man. I think you're great
28:42
Speaker 4: at your job, and I don't want to be playing
28:45
Speaker 4: golf with you anytime soon.
28:46
Speaker 1: I want you to be working.
28:47
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. I appreciate you guys having me on.
28:49
Speaker 4: All right, you got it, buddy, all right, take care
28:51
Speaker 4: all right, thank you, Jim.
28:54
Speaker 1: I love that.
28:54
Speaker 4: I love just ranting and you don't have to say
28:56
Speaker 4: anything and just let me say that's perfect.
29:00
Speaker 1: Did all right?
29:02
Speaker 4: Well, so Mikey, he and I were like, listen, we
29:04
Speaker 4: can connect you to the Jets. I'm like, Joe could
29:06
Speaker 4: connect Joe the Jets. He doesn't need our help. And
29:09
Speaker 4: then Mikey goes, but does he know Joe Biningo