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EYL #265 Rich Kleiman on Co-Building Kevin Durant's Empire, Pickleball, Angel Investing, & 'NYC Point Gods' · Earn Your Leisure

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  Speaker 6: All right, guys, welcome back e y L. We are
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  Speaker 6: back home in New York City. Yes, very rare occasion
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  Speaker 6: these days for sure, So dope episode that we've actually
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  Speaker 6: been in communication. I've been in communication with you for
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  Speaker 6: a while. Rich climbing. If you follow the boardroom. He
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  Speaker 6: is co CEO and founder of that right. Yeah, Kevin
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  Speaker 6: Durant's partner, also involved with thirty five Ventures, which is
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  Speaker 6: Katie's family office. And then you are part owner of
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  Speaker 6: Brooklyn Aces.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, we arewn the Brooklyn Aces, Gotham Football Club, Gotham
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  Speaker 5: Call it, Well, what else is there?
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  Speaker 3: That's that's really?
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  Speaker 4: I got lacrosse, Yeah, we got pickleball. I mean the
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, we've definitely like we've we've well, first of all,
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  Speaker 8: thank you guys, appreciate it, appreciate it happens talking about
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  Speaker 8: this for a while. I'm a legitimate fan, So that's
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  Speaker 8: I think how our relationships started was just like I
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  Speaker 8: really see what you guys are doing and have an
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  Speaker 8: insane amount of respect for it because now I'm living
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  Speaker 8: how hard the process is to build a brand and
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  Speaker 8: an audience from scratch at a thin air. It's as
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  Speaker 8: difficult as anything I've done in my career or tried
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  Speaker 8: to do in my career. So I have an insane
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  Speaker 8: amount of respect for you guys. But yeah, like sports
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  Speaker 8: just bullish, and I think when the pandemic hit all
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  Speaker 8: of a sudden, you could see that there was this
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  Speaker 8: value on sports beyond the major for sports, and that
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  Speaker 8: there was real fan bases and players that you know,
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  Speaker 8: were at the highest level, no different than kd Is
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  Speaker 8: at basketball. So we've invested in that.
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  Speaker 5: So all right, So where does it start?
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  Speaker 6: Where does your career start, and where does your passion
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  Speaker 6: for sports start? And how do you start working with
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  Speaker 6: Katie and getting all these different ventures.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I grew up in New York, so
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  Speaker 8: you guys understand, like in the ninety the late eighties,
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  Speaker 8: I was able to sit and get this like first
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  Speaker 8: hand view of hip hop exploding in the city and
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  Speaker 8: was also just a fan of basketball and sports in general.
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  Speaker 3: I really just studied it, like I truly studied it.
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  Speaker 8: I played, I mean I was Everyone grew up with
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  Speaker 8: me would say I was an athlete, but I never,
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  Speaker 8: like at any point, really believed I had the ability
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  Speaker 8: to like be a professional athlete or even a D
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  Speaker 8: one athlete, Like I wanted to play D one basketball,
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  Speaker 8: And as soon as I realized I couldn't, I was
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  Speaker 8: like fuck basketball. It was like I didn't even allow
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  Speaker 8: myself to enjoy like maybe continuing on to play.
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  Speaker 4: But did you play against someone and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: that's a different level.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people.
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  Speaker 8: I mean I think it was like I still feel
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  Speaker 8: like there's like a big difference between like where my
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  Speaker 8: skill level was. I thought I was a good shooter,
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  Speaker 8: I could handle the ball, I knew the game, but
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  Speaker 8: athletically I just couldn't compete with like where I wanted
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  Speaker 8: to play, you know what I'm saying, Like I couldn't
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  Speaker 8: stick anyone. There was a time I went to play
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  Speaker 8: at Riverside Church and it was like I just scrimmaged
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  Speaker 8: with a bunch of guys and I didn't even want
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  Speaker 8: to continue the problem and I shot the lights out.
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  Speaker 6: He was just talking about Riverside and Galachos. He was
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  Speaker 6: watching It Is what It Is Cam and Mace. He
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  Speaker 6: was told me I used to play for Riverside and
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  Speaker 6: Galacho's and that brought back memory because I used to
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  Speaker 6: play for Riverside and Gauchos. So that little church, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: that little well, the church was big with the little
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  Speaker 6: gym inside the church.
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  Speaker 5: That was a legendary situation.
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  Speaker 8: Legendary and when I went there, It's funny I didn't
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  Speaker 8: leave though and be like fuck basketball though, you know
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  Speaker 8: what I'm saying, Like, I loved everybody.
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  Speaker 3: That was watching around.
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  Speaker 8: I liked that energy that was at the church that day,
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  Speaker 8: Like I liked seeing people sitting on the floor, hanging
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  Speaker 8: over the balcony, and I just liked the energy about
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  Speaker 8: the game. So it was never that So I knew
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  Speaker 8: I would somehow follow sports, but without a college education
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  Speaker 8: and without a mentor or without you know, any real guidance,
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  Speaker 8: I just tried to stay around the world of sports
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  Speaker 8: and the world of music as much as I could
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  Speaker 8: and meet as many people as I could from the
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  Speaker 8: time I was like, can remember and it just so
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  Speaker 8: happened that music was where I found openings for myself
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  Speaker 8: earlier on in my career.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, very similar. I realized early I said, how can
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  Speaker 4: I stay around sports? So my thing was like, I'll
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  Speaker 4: be a trainer or I'll be a therapist, physical therapist,
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  Speaker 4: and that'll be it. I ended up teaching sports and
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  Speaker 4: being a phys ed, so I had to transition into
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  Speaker 4: something else.
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  Speaker 3: But the music part is interesting because.
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  Speaker 4: Your career pretty much starts in that realm before it
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  Speaker 4: gets the sports. Obviously, sports is something that you love,
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  Speaker 4: but music talk about that how you who the person
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  Speaker 4: was or who were the people at first jobs that
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  Speaker 4: you had inside the music industry that kind of got
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  Speaker 4: you into believing, right, this is something I could really
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  Speaker 4: make a career of.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know if you guys can relate
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  Speaker 8: to this at all, but I without a mentor without
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  Speaker 8: guidance or direction, I think like your choices are to
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  Speaker 8: like keep going forward or not. And if you stay
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  Speaker 8: still or you like are scared in any way or
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  Speaker 8: reticent of attacking a challenge without any real information, you
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  Speaker 8: know it's not going to work. So for me, I
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  Speaker 8: was just like what opportunities in front of me? And
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  Speaker 8: for me, the first light I saw was actually around sports,
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  Speaker 8: but the role for me on that project was not
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  Speaker 8: to be a sports producer or to do anything sports related.
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  Speaker 8: It was to help the music department on this show,
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  Speaker 8: The Life, And it was a show on ESPN and
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  Speaker 8: this company, Radical Media not too far from here, and
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  Speaker 8: a good friend of mine who had this vision to
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  Speaker 8: do what we basically see on social media now, which
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  Speaker 8: was just like following athletes, but they needed a music
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  Speaker 8: soundtrack to the whole show, and I just saw a
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  Speaker 8: dollar amount they allocated towards music. I saw the fact
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  Speaker 8: that I had a job and that I was in
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  Speaker 8: some way connected to sports, and I took it on.
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  Speaker 8: And then I went and built this database of unsigned
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  Speaker 8: artists and producers in the city, and these guys started
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  Speaker 8: to be real artists and producers that I just built
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  Speaker 8: a network with. And I don't know if you remember
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  Speaker 8: that song The Life with Styles P and Farrell Mantch.
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  Speaker 8: That was the theme song to the show that I
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  Speaker 8: put together through Raucus Records. And so I felt like
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  Speaker 8: I was in sports, you know what I'm saying. Like,
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  Speaker 8: I felt like I was close to it. And then
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  Speaker 8: growing up in New York, it's clear as day from
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  Speaker 8: the time I was could even remember that basketball and
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  Speaker 8: hip hop were so closely connected that I was like, well,
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  Speaker 8: I'm in sports one way or the other, you know,
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  Speaker 8: but I'm doing it via music.
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  Speaker 6: So okay, So, at what point do you fully go
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  Speaker 6: into sports And what's the first thing that you do
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  Speaker 6: actually in the sports field, Because now everything you do
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  Speaker 6: is in sports. So what point do you make that
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  Speaker 6: transition from teetering sports and music to actually being full
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  Speaker 6: fledged in sports.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, So what happened was after that show, I got
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  Speaker 8: to know so many people in the music industry. So
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  Speaker 8: I managed artists and producers for a while, and I
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  Speaker 8: started a label not I Get On Mercer and Green
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  Speaker 8: nineteen Mercer, and it was me and Mark Ronson and
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  Speaker 8: we had a studio down in Soho and we had
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  Speaker 8: everyone from j Cole before he was signed, Wile before
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  Speaker 8: he was signed, Meek Amy Winehouse recorded Back to Black
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  Speaker 8: out of There, and you know, Adele was in there
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  Speaker 8: in the earlier parts of her career. So like, I
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  Speaker 8: was hustling as a music manager, and then I had
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  Speaker 8: the opportunity to meet Jay Z and ended up producing
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  Speaker 8: that Fade of Black, his theatrical documentary of his concert
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  Speaker 8: at the Garden.
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  Speaker 3: You produced that, Yeah, I was there for that where
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  Speaker 3: you were. I was at the show. Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 3: too incredible. I still put as a best show I've
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  Speaker 3: ever seen.
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  Speaker 8: Insane, ridiculous And the one that when r Kelly ran
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  Speaker 8: off and Jay.
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  Speaker 3: Was no guns in the building, Yeah, pulling people from
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  Speaker 3: the crowd. I was there. I was at that one.
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  Speaker 3: I went to two nights.
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  Speaker 4: I went to that one and then I went to
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  Speaker 4: the next night, and that one it was more controlled.
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  Speaker 4: He had like t I he wrote out because he
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  Speaker 4: had just put up bring him out and Mace and
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  Speaker 4: May and then uh fab had breathed.
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  Speaker 8: It was it was do show, but not the first
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  Speaker 8: night was like he pulled usher from the crowd.
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  Speaker 3: That was crazy. Yeah, so I had an opportunity.
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  Speaker 8: I ended up bringing John and Neely, jay Z's manager
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  Speaker 8: at the time, over to this company, Radical Media, where
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  Speaker 8: I had been working on these TV shows. You know,
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  Speaker 8: I just kept my network any when I met was
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  Speaker 8: in my close circle at that point, and figured I
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  Speaker 8: could build off of network, you know, in partnership and
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  Speaker 8: doing dope shit. I just figured if I kept doing
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  Speaker 8: good stuff, like more good things would happen. So in
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  Speaker 8: bringing jay Z's team to meet, Radical Media was a
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  Speaker 8: perfect producing partner and I was able to get myself
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  Speaker 8: a role of a producer. And as soon as I
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  Speaker 8: met Jay, I was almost like, man, I want to
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  Speaker 8: be in a music business. Like at that point, I'd
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  Speaker 8: been like, all right, let me push sports to the side,
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  Speaker 8: like I want to be in a music business because
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  Speaker 8: what I loved about sport and like the swag around sport.
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  Speaker 8: I was like, well, this guy's got more than any
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  Speaker 8: athlete times ten, so let me stay close to this
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  Speaker 8: and I ended up going to rock Nation, and at
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  Speaker 8: that point I was a music manager. You know, I
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  Speaker 8: was managing Joil A Meek Solange for a while. Mark Ronson,
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  Speaker 8: like I mentioned, what year is this two thousand seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
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  Speaker 8: and you.
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  Speaker 5: Was rock You was working for rock Nation as a manager.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for me and all these different people, yeah, till
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  Speaker 3: twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 8: And then in twenty twelve, my network had grown and
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  Speaker 8: I was more of like a presence in the music game,
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  Speaker 8: but really like still just had my artists and was
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  Speaker 8: trying to build my business because I was building my
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  Speaker 8: family at the time. And I wouldn't say that my
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  Speaker 8: motivation was any less than it's always been, but it
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  Speaker 8: was a different pace I was moving at. You know,
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  Speaker 8: I wanted to be present and I knew that like
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  Speaker 8: that attitude I talked about running full speed ahead. Maybe
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  Speaker 8: I had to like do it at different speeds certain
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  Speaker 8: times in my life. So I was really just a
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  Speaker 8: music manager. And when I started to get the itch
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  Speaker 8: to be like I want, like, you know, you either
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  Speaker 8: have that feeling or you don't. Because my job was great,
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  Speaker 8: Like I was living the life. I was working for
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  Speaker 8: one of my idols and was learning every day, but
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  Speaker 8: I had that itch like I need more, I need
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  Speaker 8: to do more, I need to feel more regarded. I
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  Speaker 8: need to like be in the game. And that's just
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  Speaker 8: something that's motivated me since I was little. So I
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  Speaker 8: saw an opportunity because you know, sports was looking at
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  Speaker 8: the blueprint of hip hop. You know, you think about
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  Speaker 8: what Lebron was building at the time in the sports world,
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  Speaker 8: but had never been seen before someone building this while
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  Speaker 8: they were building their career. And obviously, while Lebron had
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  Speaker 8: his own vision and Rich and Mavin Randy had their
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  Speaker 8: own vision, they had so much influence from what they
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  Speaker 8: had seen in hip hop, and I knew that that
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  Speaker 8: was happening in sports in general.
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  Speaker 3: So I felt like, you know.
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  Speaker 8: I probably could do some work in the sports world
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  Speaker 8: because I institutionally knew sports.
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  Speaker 3: I studied it as a kid.
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  Speaker 8: Like I don't have much of an education institutionally on
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  Speaker 8: many things. It's all from experience, it's all from like
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  Speaker 8: consuming it in real life sports. Though I felt like
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  Speaker 8: I had a master's degree, you know, I'd studied where
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  Speaker 8: kids went to college, I studied the business of it, so,
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  Speaker 8: you know, saying so I was like, put me in
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  Speaker 8: any room talk sports, and now I have this knowledge
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  Speaker 8: of the music business.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it would work.
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  Speaker 8: And the thing that's so incredible about Jay and I
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  Speaker 8: think it's one of the gifts that people of his
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  Speaker 8: calber don't necessarily get enough credit for because a lot
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  Speaker 8: of times the credit is for what they've done. But
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  Speaker 8: it's about identifying talent, period, identifying talent around you and
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  Speaker 8: knowing that each person around you has a different style
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  Speaker 8: of having to grow. And I think he could tell
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  Speaker 8: that I just was going to need more and ask
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  Speaker 8: for more, and he always kind of let me rock.
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  Speaker 8: So when I moved into sports, I just felt like
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  Speaker 8: this burst of like a tailwind.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I can I can do this now.
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  Speaker 4: So you at Rock Nation as a music manager successful,
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  Speaker 4: We got a bunch of clients there. When you're thinking
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  Speaker 4: about going into sports, are you proposing to him, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: maybe I can create a sports division because I know
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  Speaker 4: they went into sports management during that time. Or was
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  Speaker 4: it I need to venture all on my own and
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  Speaker 4: career or something. It was just like I want to
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  Speaker 4: be in no, no, no. At that point, it was like, yo,
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  Speaker 4: I want to manage athletes. And he was like, well,
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  Speaker 4: we're about to launch a sports agency straight like, straight
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  Speaker 4: up in the next year.
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  Speaker 8: So and I believed in them. So I was like,
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  Speaker 8: let me wait, and true to their word, they gave
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  Speaker 8: me the opportunity. And you know, looking back on it,
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  Speaker 8: I had no knowledge outside of what they knew as
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  Speaker 8: my friends that I knew sports. And that was what
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  Speaker 8: the beautiful thing about it. When we first launched, it
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  Speaker 8: was was like we were figuring it out. Obviously we
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  Speaker 8: had this incredible leader in Jay and this incredibly successful
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  Speaker 8: company and rock Nation, but it was like fun as
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  Speaker 8: hell because you know, we were all fans too, so
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  Speaker 8: like just being in those rooms in the early days
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  Speaker 8: being like, yo, let's hit KD. Let's see if Katie
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  Speaker 8: I heard he might be switching agents. Like it was
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  Speaker 8: an incredible time, and he gave me the opportunity to
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  Speaker 8: really sit in a position in the sports agency that
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  Speaker 8: I had no experience in.
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  Speaker 6: So you were with rock Nation from the music side,
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  Speaker 6: transferred over on the athlete side, started managing athletes, right.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I was acting as like an agent.
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  Speaker 8: I got my NBA agent certificate, I got my MLB
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  Speaker 8: agent certificate.
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  Speaker 6: You were agent, yeah, so you were an NFL and
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  Speaker 6: baseball agent.
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  Speaker 8: I never got my NFL certificate. I got my baseball
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  Speaker 8: and my MBA Baseball NBA. Yeah, but I was working
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  Speaker 8: with everyone Des Brian at the time, Victor Cruz, CC
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  Speaker 8: Sabbathias Skyler Diggins, Gino Smith KD. We had a bunch
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  Speaker 8: of young NBA guys, Willie cauley Son just as when.
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  Speaker 8: So those are like the early days.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember, I remember, I remember Gino, I remember
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  Speaker 6: uh Dos Bryant. That was like big when they signed
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  Speaker 6: with Rock Nation. So you're involved in this whole situation.
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: Katie becomes your client.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: So all right, So you said something before that was insightful.
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: You said that you always wanted to be I'm paraphrasing,
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: you wanted to be more notable. You wanted to be
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: somebody bigger than like somebody else was working at rock Nation.
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: So you got a good thing on and you're representing
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: these athletes. But when do you become an entrepreneur? Like
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: when do you break out and start like leave the
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: nest of Rock Nation and like what's your first venture
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: on your own?
• 16:12
  Speaker 8: Well, I know what you mean, but I always was
• 16:15
  Speaker 8: an entrepreneur, like that shit was boiling inside of me
• 16:19
  Speaker 8: from the time I was born, and I think it's
• 16:21
  Speaker 8: because maybe I didn't have much of an education. I
• 16:24
  Speaker 8: didn't have a very like structured, sturdy, loving home that
• 16:28
  Speaker 8: I was like, I want some validation. I want some
• 16:31
  Speaker 8: fucking like recognition. And for me, it was by having
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: an incredible network around me my whole life. I was like,
• 16:37
  Speaker 8: let me have as many people around me as I can.
• 16:40
  Speaker 8: And then number two was, you know, feeling like I
• 16:42
  Speaker 8: could accomplish something. And the thing that I really took
• 16:45
  Speaker 8: to early was like hustling, like and not hustling like
• 16:49
  Speaker 8: drug dealing hustling, but hustling like what can I make
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: a business up?
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 16:54
  Speaker 8: I had a business when I was seven years old
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: called Lawyer Kid. The idea was to represent kids who
• 16:59
  Speaker 8: didn't have to talk to their parents, and I was like,
• 17:00
  Speaker 8: come to me.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I used to tell my friends at school, come to me.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I'll help you out.
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: And then I was like, got a new toy and
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: I or someone bought me something. You know, everyone you
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: buy your kids friends toys and you're thinking, like, you
• 17:12
  Speaker 8: have no idea if they had four of them, unless
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: there's someone close to you. Well, I was the kid
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: that if I had two of them or I didn't
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: like it. I was like, let's go downstairs and sell it,
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: just sell it on the street. And it wasn't because
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: I wanted the money. It was because I looked at
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: the hot dog stand guy. I looked at the guy
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: who ran this store in my corner called Baronet, and
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: I thought that shit was incredible, Like you built this store,
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: you got all this product in here, and you got
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: to sell it and you're making money. And I just
• 17:37
  Speaker 8: felt like that was a level of respect that I
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: wanted to have in my life. So as I got
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: older and more involved in work, what I noticed was
• 17:44
  Speaker 8: what didn't fulfill it for me was just simply getting
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: a deal done. And I didn't want to be notable
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: in the way that I wanted people to actually know
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: my face. I wanted people to know that I was
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: really really good at work, really really good at my job.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: And what that meant in.
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: Hip hop and sports was a certain level of notoriety,
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: So as you you transitioned into the management well agent
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: side of it, I wonder because you said that you
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: didn't have an experience, So who are you are you
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: shadowing somebody? Like who's the mentor in that space that
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: you're going on when you're early days getting to Willie
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Coolly steins these first round draft picks. Who I remember
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: these days, Genial Smith, you said, Scylet Diggins KD. Who
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: are you going to these meetings with? And what are
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: you learning as you're going?
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm I'm learning as I go, period. So it's like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: you know, obviously the people around me. I could watch Jay,
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: I could watch one, I could watch the people in
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: the office. But I'd done that my whole career. So
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: like every time I brought an artist to a record
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: executive and I pitched them certain beats and songs and albums.
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: I sat in so many A and R meetings when
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: I was coming up, playing beat CDs while people are
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: on their phone, on their two way, on their on
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: their fucking lifepop hand me no mind selling artists. I
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: used to have, like the artists Bibles I put together,
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: go in there and they just say no to you.
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: But every meeting I was like, I'm watching it like
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: a hawk, and I'm watching everyone's instincts, and I'm watching
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: the conversation and I'm learning and reading people. So the
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: next time I know what I got to do differently,
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: and next time, I know not to waste anyone's time
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: or waste my own time when I could already tell
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: in their face that they're not feeling it. And that
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: was just instilled in me to keep watching, keep learning.
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: And as I did that, as I got around more
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: successful people, it was just more game to pick up,
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: you know, and it was more of an opportunity to
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: just watch, learn and then activate.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of how I do.
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: I mean, I watch you guys, and I watch all
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: my peers, and I'm able to pick things up, and
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: I'm able to sit there and go like that shit
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: is really dope, and like I'll never forget it, period.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: So, okay, let's talk about the boardroom.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: Right, boardroom, it's a company that you guys started, you
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: and Katie, and it's a media company built around athletes, right,
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: is that correct?
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: Built around the business of sports, and you know, I
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: think some parts of entertainment as well.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: Okay, talking about starting that, why that was an idea
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: that you wanted to start and getting that up and runner?
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, so when I kept when I ultimately started
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: my own business with Kevin, it was investing and it
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: was managing his business and managing his Nike business and
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: helping him build out his foundation and everything that he's
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: doing in PG County. And it was like building that
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: family office at thirty five Ventures, and we had a
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: lot of deal flow and a lot of opportunity, and
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: we were, you know, working on TV and film projects,
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: and what I realized was that I needed a way
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: to storytell around what we were doing.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: First.
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: That was my first thing was like, you need we're
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: in a climate now through social media that had become
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: so present in everyone's life at the time, and the
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: need to be able to storytell and position what you
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: were doing in your business as much as just doing it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: This is twenty sixteen. Yeah, okay, got you.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: So I'm thinking in terms of KD thirty five Ventures,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: this is like he's with the Warriors, or he's about
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: to go to the Warriors now.
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: So when I left, when when we went, when he
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: went to the Warriors, that's around the time we start
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: our own business, and that's sixteen to eighteen. Was building
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: out that family office of thirty five Ventures and establishing
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: that side of Kevin's business. And then in twenty eighteen,
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: what I realized was that we didn't have that vehicle
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: to really storytell around. And I knew from investing that
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: just starting a media business was going to get laughed at.
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: Like what was the point of us to try to
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: replicate a model that people in Silicon Valley were saying
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: was broken? You know, you weren't just going to invest
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: in somebody because of an audience or eyeballs or metrics.
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: You had to build a business with a purpose and
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: something different. And you know again like I'm sure you guys,
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: as you've built your business, knew the same thing, Like
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to do that model that was fifteen
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: years ago, and what you guys have done as a
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: new model that has been created. And for me, I
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: was trying to figure out what it was that made
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: Kevin and I different. If I could figure that out,
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: then I think that would allow us to start something
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: that at least would embody us.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: And then that would have to be authentic because it's us.
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: And where that went I didn't know, And we were
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: trying to figure it out, and we were talking a
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: bit about it, and investors, i mean founders of companies
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: were really taking to us and our strategy as an
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: a strategic investor, like how we work. They were really
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: taking to our style, and I realized that the more
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: I could do work for these companies, the more we
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: were going to get great deal flow and to really
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: prove ourselves as an investor. So to have that vehicle
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: would also benefit that side of our business.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: So I still was sitting on it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: And then I went to a dinner at Peter Gouber's
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: house or a lunch during NBA All Star weekend. And
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: I don't know if this happens to you guys, maybe
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: during your conference when you had five hundred thousand people.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: In their product in estimated, where you look at yourself
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: and your life like what the fuck?
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Like what the fuck?
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: And I'm a fan of this whole world that I
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: live in, that I work in. I'm still a fan
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: of all of it. On another level. So I'm at
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: Peter Gooper's house and pat Riley's sitting on one side
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: of me, and Jack Dorsey's on one side of me,
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: and this NBA owner, and I'm like, how the fuck
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: did I get here? This is my life's dream And
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: it was because of basketball. It's how I saw it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: It was because Kevin Durant believed in me and trusted
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: in me and these rooms that he was able to
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: walk into because of how great he was at the
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: game of basketball. That as a kid, if I had
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: known that the sports world looked like that, that there
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: was a way in like that, I would have been
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: like from day one. So I said, let me create
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: a brand that really represents that, that there's a world
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: around sports and entertainment where it all makes sense, where
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: people in the boardroom are wearing sweats, where everyone's different colors,
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: different genders, and even though it might not be the
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: richest people in the room, they're making a lot of
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: decisions and they're deciding what's fresh, and they're influential and
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: they can dictate where money moves. And that that was
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: what I wanted the brand to represent, where all that
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: intersected a bit, and just to become a storyteller and
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: an amplifier of other great people and other great successes,
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: and to be a voice a bit of all of
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: the action that was happening in this world and to
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: really sit there and be complimentary. And as the business
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: has grown, that's still at the core of it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: So it's the media.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: So you see a lot of guys in that arodesthe like,
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: so Lebron's does spring Hill right with math? And then
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: Katie works with you and you guys have the boardroom,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: which is essentially you produce content, right, throw vents, produce content.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: You're shaping a narrative. As you just kind of said,
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: how important was that? Do you see this new age
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: of athletes kind of because athletes has always always complained
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: about narratives, they never got depicted correctly from reporters. They've
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: never really, you know, liked how people in the news
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: have written about them. There's always been conflicts. But now
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: we're seeing it day actually on the other side of
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: it and controlling the narrative in the media. So talk
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: about the dynamic that you see from the change in
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: athletes complaining about media to them actually taking control and
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: owning a piece of media.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, I think it's a beautiful thing.
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: I think because in sports, as much as any part
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: of society, the media creating a storyline actually has such
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: real life implications. And in the real world now sadly
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: we're seeing it on the highest level. But this has
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: been happening in sports for a while, and I think
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: during Kevin's Free Agency. When we set up that whole
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: scene in the Hamptons, it really hit me of like, wait,
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: like you because I remember Kevin said to me once like, man,
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: the shit ain't world news or something, and I'm like, no.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I think it is. Bro think I think this is
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: world news. Like this is what it's come to.
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: So, you know, the idea that an athlete not just
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: can create and command their own narrative, but can build
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: an entire ecosystem where an entire narrative can be created
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: and an athlete can drive it. But an athlete can
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: find other creators and other athletes and other partners and
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: other stories that they want to tell and that they
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: can control.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: But I look at it as a bigger thing than that.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: Because I look at these athletes now, it's just some
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: of the most sound young entrepreneurs. Not everybody, but a
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: lot of athletes are exposed early to the conversation of business,
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: you know, like my daughter's I had a fourteen year
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: old and a ten year old. If my fourteen year
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: old was an incredible, potentially professional athlete, I'd be talking
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: to her about business and life right now. I'd have
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: to be preparing her for what some of these conversations
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: mean that people are having with her, and what some
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: people want from her when they talk to her. And
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: then all of a sudden, now at fourteen years old,
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: she'd be like, really way ahead of the curve in
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: terms of how to approach business and life and people,
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: because that's not what you're telling your fourteen year old.
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: You're teaching them certain things. But now these kids are
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: seventeen eighteen years old and they're already thinking about things
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: that I just never thought about at that point in
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: my life or maybe even understood or had that information.
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: So I think what you're seeing is this incredible trend
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: of athlete moguls, like potential moguls, not all moguls, but
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: that's where their minds are at, and with that they
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: can control the narrative.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: It's interesting.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: The conversation that you have with your daughter is a
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: trust that's there obviously as a father.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: The conversation with KD.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: I'm interested because we see a lot of I mean
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: pretty much everybody has an agent, but really do we
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: see clients create businesses with their agent? So what was
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: that relationship like with for him to say, you know what,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: this is something I want to do with you. How
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: long did it take for you to build that rapport
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: and to get to the point where it's like, yeah,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: this is not my agent, this is also my business partner.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess just.
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: In business time four years, two thousand and twelve to
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: around two thousand and fifteen, actually, so three years. But
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: I had met Kevin his rookie year through La who
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: I was managing at the time, and they're both from
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: the DMV, So I think it was this level of
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: trust in our relationship that we had had, But it
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: was also a bit of the climate of, you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: of the business, like what Lebron had started to build
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: and create was becoming in a lot of ways like
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: the North Star, you know. And then what I think
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: Kevin and I both grew up around watching like these
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: hip hop labels of the nineties build these economies where
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: bad Boy at the center and it's vodka, magazines, parties, records, clothing,
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: and that was something that was really aspirational.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I think that was something I mean.
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: That was at the core of a lot of that
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: era of athletes thinking about their business. And then you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: in a lot of ways being able to say, all right,
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: well I can control all of this, Like, I sit
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: at the center of this economy and there's ways to
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: build business all around it. And I think then the
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: natural evolution was that because of the trust we had
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: as his agent and someone that I knew for a while,
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: there was a confidence that we could do something together.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, I see the pieces of it right,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Like how you just built out the ecoism you talked
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: about bad boy, what Lebron and mav and Richard Ready
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: have been able to do. But I even hear like
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: the gedo part because prior to Players Tribune there wasn't
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: the voice of the athlete, and so like these are
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: all the influences. Let me now create our version of
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: it and add some different aspects.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, without question, Actually a good point because I think
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: Players Tribune was very much ahead of its time. And
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: you know, if you think about we announced Kevin's first
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: free agency twenty sixteen in the through Players Tribune and
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: we were investors at the time. Remember we were on
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: the set of a commercial with American Family Insurance and
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: it was Kevin g and JJ Watt and we were
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: talking to Jeter about free agency and he was like, look, man,
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: he's like you own a piece of Players Tribune. Why
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: would you even contemplate putting out his free agency anywhere else.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: So, I mean it was.
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: Obvious, but it was like, of course, like you're right,
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: and you know, we were able to control it. It's
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: still to this day used as that like picture that
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: every time a team wins, they like make a little
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: meme about it. But at the time, I mean, that
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: was the exact point that we controlled it.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: We told the story, we chose the photos, we.
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: Decided the timing, and that was an inspiring like moment
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: and realization. And then obviously watching what Uninterrupted and spring
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: Hill did, and I think what's happening now is that,
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: like you have to find your space and your differentiation,
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: you know, And there's going to be a lot of
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: people that are going to probably watch or already watch
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: what you guys have built. And if they try to
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: model it exactly like the two of you, it's not
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: going to work. They try to be the two of you,
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: it's not going to work. But if they take some
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: inspiration from what the two of you have done and
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: mold it into their own and show respect from where
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: they're taking the inspiration, then I think that's a beautiful thing.
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: So let's talk about the family office. That's interesting because
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: even before a lot of athletes previously this whole thirty
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: for thirty about athletes going broke right, and that was
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: kind of stereotype for a long period of time that
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: athletes get money, they still go broke. Unfortunately, there's still
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: some level of truth to that, but we're seeing that
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: starting to change, athletes getting into investing, taking their business
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: a lot more serious. So can you explain what a
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: family office is for anybody that doesn't know? And what
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: was that your idea that you pitched a KD Or
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: was that his idea that he pitched to you that
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: he wanted to set up and start to really you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: invest in a variety of different things and have a
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: more structured organization when it comes to his finances.
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I mean, I guess the way we look
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: at Kevin's family office is that you know, Kevin generates
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: money from a multiple multiple places, multitude of places on court, Nike,
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: investments in public markets, investments and private equity investments and
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: venture Kevin is a very philanthropic young man with a
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: long life in front of him, and he wants to
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: do a lot for his hometown in PG County. And
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: then there's also just like the business of operating an
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: athletes life at the highest level, which is trainers and chefs.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: And the amount of movement they do.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: He doesn't have a family currently, so you know during
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: the summer he's moving and working out in different places
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: and traveling. And what we were able to do is
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: build a company around that. That's whole sole purpose was
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: building generational wealth for Kevin, building philanthropic legacy in PG County,
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: managing the people in his life that handle public stocks,
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: a handle private equity.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: We do a lot of.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: The venture and sports investing, but we've put incredible experts
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: around us. But this family office sits at the center
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: of it. And I don't think it was ever like
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: necessarily one of our ideas or the other. But when
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: we got to the Bay, well, first of all, in
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: talking about decision making and where he was going to play.
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: For Kevin, it was always going to be about basketball.
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: But for me as his agent, I needed to look
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: at what came with that. Because if he's going to
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: work as hard as he's going to work every single
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: day in the gym and every day in practice, damned
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: if I didn't work as hard and think that way
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: and show up to everything and be proactive.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: So we get to the Bay. It's no joke.
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: It's the first, second, third night we're there and Steve
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: Stout says we're going to throw Kevin a birthday party
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: at Ben Harwitz's house. And Steve has always been somebody
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: who's like giving me the hey, go, you should go
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: this way or look that way. You know what I'm saying.
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: Like his style and mentoring. He's an incredible friend of
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: mine twenty plus years. But like mentoring comes in different
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: shapes and sizes. It's not like, Yo, come on man,
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: it's our Monday morning breakfast. Let me give you the game.
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: It's just like little nods or little things to consider.
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: And he was like, Yo, we're gonna throw this dinner
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: for Kevin. Hen't really tell me much more, but the
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: idea was that he was bringing people that he was meeting,
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: and he had been out there for a few years,
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: and all of a sudden, I was.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Like googling names in real time.
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: Oh shit, that's Ron Conway. They call him the Godfather
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: of Angel Investing. Well shit, well then I got to
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: know the godfather Angel investing, and it was.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: That night where I left there.
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: The first people we met were those type of people,
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: and the next day I followed up on every relationship.
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: And then every time I sat down for dinner and
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: I said, you know, someone said to me, where do
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: you guys want to focus on the early stage Series A,
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: Series B, I said, do me a favor, tell me
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: what all that means.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Quick.
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: As soon as he told me what all that meant,
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: I never forgot it again. And I kept learning and
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: compounding that information, and all of a sudden, we were investing.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: I didn't have institutional knowledge of it, but I had
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: a great instinct. I could read people. Kevin and I
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: would share ideas, share thoughts. We'd sit with founders and
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: companies that we understood it was something that was over
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: our head or something that we couldn't relate to.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: It didn't matter if we were going to miss it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: We just started building it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: And that all of a sudden, it was like, shit,
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: this is at the core of our business right now,
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: is that we're getting great deal flow, we're respectful of
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: the process, and we're good investors once we invest.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: So that was kind of how that side.
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: Of our business started, and when Boardroom started to take off,
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: and I saw all the possibilities around Boardroom. Like any
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: media business, you start seeing it works and it's hopefully limitless,
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: do conferences, products, subscription TV, filmed, But you built the
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: brand at the core in order for us to go
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: and do that and take a chance on something.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: It's not like we're innovating.
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: We just built a brand for ourselves and something that
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: we hope can grow and be something that's truly respected.
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: But I had to make sure Kevin's business was tight,
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: because that's like how we got here, you know what
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: I'm saying.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: And I wanted to make.
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: Sure it was clear that, like the respect I have
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: for that side of Kevin's business, the family office was
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: never going to take my eye off of So that's
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: kind of how we.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: So you manage, you manage the situation, kind of you
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: overlook the family. So who all right, he has a lawyer,
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: he has a financial advisor.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I forgot. I'm on yourleisire. I'm gonna break
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: down this.
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: He's got this is going to be public stock portfolio managers.
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: We have somebody in the camp that works with us
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: on private equity deals, later stage investments, sports investments, and properties.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: But my eyes around it all. I talked to Kevin
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: about it all.
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: We're all pretty seamless team. There's venture which my office,
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: the thirty five V office, does a lot of that work.
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: And then there's Kevin's philanthropic kind of like two sides
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: to that. His father runs Team Durant, which is his
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: AAU organization. His mother runs the Durant Family Foundation. We
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: have a standalone building in PG County called the Durant
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: Center where there's a college track program on the ground floor,
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: which is a partnership with Emerson Collective and Loreene Job
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: and then there's the Durant Family Foundation offices in there
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: as well. And then Kevin has a lifetime deal with
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: Nike and he's on his seventeenth shoe that will come
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: out next summer, so we're in sixteen right now. So
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: that all operates within that family office. And then all
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: of those people, his lawyer, his business manager that's paying
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: bills and doing a state planning and insurance and paying
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: chefs and security, they work with us as well. And
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: then we have like our private equity guy.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: That's a lot that is a lot. That's a hell
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: of a portfolio.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: I wonder, as you're building his portfolio out, is there
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: a vision to say, you know what, because people don't
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: mention KD as the next billion dollar athlete. But based
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: on everything that we're seeing from a business standpoint, the
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: trajectories right there are their strategic goals and how to
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: reach those goals. Is that part of the planning as well?
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, it sucks that he's not because he should
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: be as much as anybody.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Is that what I'm saying, Because.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: He's quiet, he's a bigue talk he's not really as.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to get to the talking part too,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: because yeah, you're good. Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: No, But I think one thing that somebody made a
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: point of saying to me a few years ago that
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: stuck with me is like, at some point you got
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: to start thinking about making sure you like what you
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: own and you want what you own. Like it can't
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: just be an investing in things because you think the
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: investment's great. You should really want what it is that
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: you own. So I think for us, like that's been
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: part of the strategy. It's like, all right, you've built
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: this incredible core base where because of your hard work
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: and your gifts and your skills. You were able to
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: make an insane amount of money on the court, and
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: because you were able to have a level of relevance
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: and an incredible encore business to build a Nike business
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: for seventeen years.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: You now have a lifetime deal.
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: So that's incredible, and you've put great people around you
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: to build your wealth upon wealth.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: But you're thirty five.
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: Now you're going to retire forty years old, forty one
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: years old, thirty nine, forty three, whatever it is. He's
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: not going to play forever, So how do you maintain
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: that level of income? How are you going to make
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: fifty fixed in another job in the world besides the NBA, right,
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: and Nike is a level of cash and royalties, so
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: there's some commitment and annuity and knowing you have that,
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: but then you got to think about, like what do
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: I want to do. So he loves the idea that
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: him and I own boardroom fifty to fifty, but building
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: of businesses, it's all a variable, right, Like you don't
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: know if that's going to bring you great wealth or not.
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: But that's part of the portfolio. He's invested in sports teams,
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: which is part of the future, and he was able
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: to get in at MLS at a very low price,
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: and valuations have exploded, and we've put a lot of
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: bets in a lot of different sports properties, and post career,
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: I'm sure Kevin will take a shot at owning a
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: major sports team and so all that will add to
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: the wealth. But then it's starting to identify things that
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: we want to keep building out and things that Kevin
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: wants to own. Is it really state, is it consumer brand?
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: Is it in the QSR space? You know, you look
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: at what like Junior Bridgeman built exceptional. You guys had
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: them on the conference. You know, I think a lot
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: of these businesses that are more kind of familiar and
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: traditional are all of a sudden really attractive with the
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: idea that like the economy's fucked up, and Crypto and
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: Away and NFTs are dead, all these headlines you read
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: and just the reality of the world. So now all
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: of a sudden, things like Burger King start to seem
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: way safer.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: You know, somebody's got to eat do a follow up
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: really quick, because we've heard the lifetime contract. We saw
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: obviously had a lifetime contract with Rebot.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: We see bron got it with Night. What does that
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: really look like?
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Is it based on the amount of percentage of royalties
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: from a shoe sale? Do you have to keep making
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: shoes after you're done playing or part of the mergendise?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: How does that What does a lifetime contract look like?
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: Oh, I think like it's a really good question because
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: there is no like one term for a lifetime deal.
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: But I think there's the commitment to the partnership. So
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: like you can be a partner by showing up for
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: the brand and being a sponsor. You can be a
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: partner by having them put out new product and getting
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: paid for the new product or getting a royalty. But
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: in the case of Kevin, like he'll retire with twenty
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: plus seasons of a signature line, you know, doing nine
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: figures every year. So if you think about that in
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: the frame form of a business, like there's billions of dollars.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: So if that's managed right.
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: You're getting annuities and you're getting royalties all the time.
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: And you know, see what they do with the phone
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: posit with Penny, and you know, as great as Penny was,
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: he doesn't have Kevin's career or Kevin's body of shoes.
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: So you know there's a commitment to supporting that business,
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: but ultimately, Nike's not going to put product out if
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: they don't think it's going to sell. So you're never
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: going to get Nike to be like, yeah, twenty five
• 41:47
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• 41:49
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• 41:51
  Speaker 8: But I think it's the idea that they're committing to
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: the partnership. So you're committing to Nike for life and
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: they're committing to you for life.
• 41:57
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• 42:02
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• 42:07
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• 42:12
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  Speaker 6: So it's just interesting to see, Like you're talking about
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: that lifelong situation where even after they're still even after
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: they're playing, still have some level of relevancy in the
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: sports world. So that relationship is still there. But my
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• 45:43
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• 45:45
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• 45:47
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• 45:51
  Speaker 6: I have a two part question, how what do you
• 45:53
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• 45:58
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• 46:04
  Speaker 8: It's evolved, but I guess at the core of it
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• 46:17
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• 46:25
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• 46:32
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• 46:51
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• 46:54
  Speaker 8: this like differentiator again like we talked about that allows
• 46:58
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• 47:02
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  Speaker 8: Do we understand the market and the way to get
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• 47:20
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• 47:24
  Speaker 8: these businesses, like in the form of these sports investments,
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: they make sense in our overarching business. So if I
• 47:30
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  Speaker 8: it bring value to our platform? Yeah, you know what
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: I'm saying. So it's all of those things for us
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: that I look at as we've done bigger deals in
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: private equity and as we've done bigger investments, I have
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: allowed in that part of the process that I need
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: to learn from, you know what I'm saying, And that's
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: having great people to sound off of, to understand the economics,
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: to read into the financials more.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: But early stage.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: It's usually that you guys invested in Ring In Ring Now,
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: I wish Katie it was. It was one thing that
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: he invested in that mad headlines.
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: Right, Postmates really are post delivery in like twenty fourteen, Yeah, fifteen.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: You were involved with that.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: Yes, okay, so that was like the big that's been
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: the biggest deal so far that you got the invested.
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: No, I mean it had a lot of notoriety because
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: of the time twenty fourteen fifteen on demand food service
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: was like blowing up, and when Kevin went to the Bay,
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: Postmates took out this billboard that was like Katie delivered,
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: and it was like just a timely moment and we
• 48:44
  Speaker 8: did very well. But there's been other investments that has
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: had incredible return or you know, on paper still even
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: with the state of the economy, have incredible returns. But
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: you know, Postmates, I think early on was one of
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: those ones just because of the time you're.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Building a media company, right, this is twenty nineteen, and
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: then obviously twenty twenty happens and the.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Way we do media changes.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Talk about the shift in or the adjustment that you
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: guys had to make because prior to that we'd go
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: talking about how Katie was pretty quiet, reluctant to speak
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: to media until he has his own platform where he
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: could speak freely and create his own show. You have
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: your own show out the office talk about the shift
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: and justin that you had to do posts the pandemic.
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: Well, we were lucky that we weren't that big of
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: a business. Yet it actually benefited us because my original
• 49:38
  Speaker 8: concept for this was that we sold two seasons of
• 49:41
  Speaker 8: a show to ESPN and did twelve episodes on ESPN
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: called The Boardroom. And I was always planning and building
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: a business that was going to complement it. But I
• 49:50
  Speaker 8: was really leaning in on this ESPN relationship, and right
• 49:52
  Speaker 8: before the pandemic, we did a boardroom panel at MIT
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: and I was hoping to keep building off of that.
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: When the pandemic hit, ESPN told us quickly like we're
• 50:02
  Speaker 8: not gonna be able to pick up a season three.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: We understood. I mean I was tight, but we understood.
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: But then I had that moment where I was like,
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: you have to deal with this moment a bit of
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: like self reflection, where I was like, let's be honest,
• 50:16
  Speaker 8: no one's gonna give a shit if I just stop.
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: There's no one out there, you know, like nobody's telling
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: me to do it. Katie's not gonna tell me, like,
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: you're not my agent anymore. If I don't do Boardroom,
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: my wife wasn't gonna leave me. But I just like
• 50:30
  Speaker 8: took one night to be like, is this is this
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: what the fuck I want to do? And I was
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: like hell yeah, like straight up, like right then, Hell yeah,
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: this is the word boardroom.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: This is going to be the phrase.
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: This is going to be the brand that's kind of
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: going to be on my back now where I like
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: make this like new part of my journey and I
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: wanted to build a brand around it. And I have
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: a hard time even saying media company.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think.
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: For me now, it's really like a brand that we
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: built and where it shows up and what I can
• 51:00
  Speaker 8: do with it now.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: The media side of it can power it all. The
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: media can make everything we do bigger and louder, and
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: I can control the narrative like you said, But I
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: see it as a brand now that we're building, you know,
• 51:12
  Speaker 8: And for me at that moment, I was like, all right, yes,
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: I'm going to do this.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: This is exactly what I want to do.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: So okay, premiere Lacrosse League, right, you guys you had
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: a street lacrosse event.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we actually went to it really a few weeks ago.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: In the ring. Yes, sir.
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: What's your involvement with And it's very interesting because it
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: was like street ball lacrosse. That's like the comparison I
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: can kind of give to it.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: And I.
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: Found out that it's actually been picking up a lot
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: of steam and it's becoming very popular. How did you
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: get involved with lacrosse and what's your involvement in the
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: lacrosse league?
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: I mean I don't have like a close connection to
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: the sport of lacrosse at all, but I was able
• 52:00
  Speaker 8: to meet Paul.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: I Love Sports.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: He's the head of Paul.
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: Rabels, the founder and CEO, him and his brother, they're
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: co founders. And I was able to learn a lot
• 52:11
  Speaker 8: more about Paul through Joe Sai because Joe Sai is
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: very involved in lacrosse as a sport. His whole family
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: is and Brooklyn Nets, yes, Sir, owner of the Brooklyn Nets.
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: So in paying attention to it and seeing and watching
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: some of the games, I saw exactly what I needed
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: to see, was like, here was this ravenous community. Here
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: was this fan base that loved the sport. Here were
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: athletes that were elite at what they did, the best
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: in the world, and here was this founder that was
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: not only an incredible player, but was carrying this league
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: on its back. So from an investment standpoint, I was like,
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: I'm in and I believe in this. But what I
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: then started to realize in dealing with Paul was like,
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: what would we bring to it?
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: What could Bordroom bring to it?
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: And when he told me this idea around street lacrosse,
• 52:55
  Speaker 8: we instantly realized, like, let's make let's make it feel
• 52:58
  Speaker 8: like the Rutger And why can't a sport of lacrosse
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: b at the center? You know, why can't these incredible
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: lacrosse players in like six o'clock on a Friday night
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: in New York City and an outside playground in September
• 53:11
  Speaker 8: turned this into a moment and have a DJ and
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: have food trucks and create a moment. And again, if
• 53:17
  Speaker 8: you peel it back, like was there a bigger wide no,
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: But I'm really into creating moments and creating opportunities to
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: bring people together, opportunities to you know, have two brands
• 53:27
  Speaker 8: align and add incremental value for each other. I think
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: it's like we can only grow off of each other.
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: So it was like that feeling of like, here are
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: some of the best athletes in the world. Un let's
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: create a moment that's like our style. And I feel
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: like we did that. I mean, I hope you guys
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: had a good time. It was like a rainy night
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: in New York, but it felt like that a little
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: bit that.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: It was good interesting at the time.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's New York Fashion Week. Yeah, the timing
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: of it was great.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Is that the similar vision when you looked at pickable
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: because even now, like I studied sports pedagog and pickable
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: is something that I played in school, but probably nobody
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: even knows what that is. So even a demographic that
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: plays it, it doesn't look.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, KD.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: And so how did you guys decide, all right, we're
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: doing pick a ball? Was the influence from other athletes.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: I know Tom Brady's involved with some other athletes that
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: were buying teams and what's the vision for that?
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: Well that that a lot of this shit comes out
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: of curiosity. But for me, during the summer of twenty
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: twenty two, when Kevin it became public that Kevin wanted
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: to get traded. You know, that summer I was using
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: pickleball as my stress reliever, and I was playing all
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: the time, and doubles. Doubles, Yeah, like intense games with
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: friends of mine and peers of mine, and like a
• 54:48
  Speaker 8: lot of things. And I bet you guys have similar experiences,
• 54:52
  Speaker 8: Like you're in the middle of something and all of
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: a sudden your mind racist to, like.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: What's the business of this? Like what is this?
• 54:57
  Speaker 8: I'm not just going to play this, I want to
• 54:58
  Speaker 8: know it all. I explored it a bit. It very
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: similar to all these other sports properties.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: We invested in.
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: It was clear that this was a sport that was exploding,
• 55:07
  Speaker 8: a business that was at its infancy stages, and an
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: opportunity to invest helped shape it and mold it, and
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: a sport that I thought could connect.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Now. I don't know if the league's going to work.
• 55:17
  Speaker 8: I believe in it, and I'm obviously, you know, going
• 55:20
  Speaker 8: to support this thing all the way through. But it
• 55:23
  Speaker 8: felt like the right investment and the right thing to
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: explore because the sport was exploding, so I wanted to
• 55:27
  Speaker 8: have a first hand look at like how this thing
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: was coming to life, and then I could utilize all
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: that content in that community to help build border more
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: so and like create that flywheel and then owning our
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: own franchise is fun, and then it's part of building
• 55:41
  Speaker 8: the business. And I think what happens with Kevin when
• 55:44
  Speaker 8: we have those combos is we were in Austin, Texas
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: and I went to meet up with and see Texas Alabama,
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: and I'm like, let me break this whole shit down
• 55:52
  Speaker 8: to you, you know. And We've had so many of
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: these moments where like I'm bringing something into his world
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: that he never really heard of, like pickleball, right, And
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: I'm like, this is why we're doing this shit. And
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: Kevin is really fucking smart. And I don't think he
• 56:04
  Speaker 8: has ever gotten credit for how smart he is, and
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: like how much he's really quickly adapted to everything we've
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: explored in business, whether it was venture or media or
• 56:13
  Speaker 8: the sports investing. He hears it one time similar to me,
• 56:16
  Speaker 8: and he really picks it up and he understood it.
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: We went to see a bunch of other investors in
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: the league at this like place they call the Pickleball
• 56:24
  Speaker 8: ranch in Austin, Texas, and Kevin played a little bit
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: and he just read the culture believed in me. We
• 56:29
  Speaker 8: took a shot at it, and as he's learned more
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: and more, you know, he really gets it now and
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: sees the opportunity for the league. But again, you know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: there's a mutual benefit across the board. You know, I
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: see the value of building this league and telling the
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: stories around the building the league on our platform, and
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: you know, and showing up.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: Well, essentially, it's like handball kind of right, No, no.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: More, it's more tennis with play battle, but it's against
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: a wall.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: No no, no, it's a net in between. So it's
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: like ten in a sense.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: It's much smaller court, but like with a whiffle ball
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: and a paddle. So it's really fun because it's not
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: as fast as tennis, so more people can play it
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: and you can. It's one of these games that you
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: can play longer, whereas somebody who's playing tennis. If you know,
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: arthritis slows you down, you're not going to move the same.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Pickleball is a slower games.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: It's cool. It's like you like you play ping pong.
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: I've played, yes, you know, you get in a really
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: good game of ping pong, you sweating. You may really
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: think that you're working out well, this is actually like
• 57:29
  Speaker 8: you are taking a pickleball ping pong court, spreading it out.
• 57:32
  Speaker 8: There's some tennis instincts, but if you have good hand
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: eye coordination, you've played with like a paddle or a
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: racket in any sport, you'll get it.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: The one with the walls is called padel or paddle.
• 57:43
  Speaker 8: That one where it's even more of like a fast
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: paced sport like tennis, that's somewhat like a handble.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some similarity that I'm saying. That's it.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: That's like handball kind of.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is what he's just explained is like handball.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: Pickleball is like on a it's on a tennis court,
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: but it's modified very small.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: You can fit four pickleball courts on one tennis score. Yeah,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: so we should play doubles.
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: You're you're a sports guy, so you're invested in a
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: lot of these alternative sports, right, pickleball and lacrosse. Where
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: do you see the future of sports going, Because we
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: see soccer is becoming football, depending on where you live
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: in the world, is becoming very big. In America. It
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: hasn't always been big, but now it's becoming messy coming.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: It's like it's picking up a lot of Volleyball is
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: one of these sports that's been around for a long time,
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: but that's kind of picking up some momentum. And then
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: the lacrosse thing is interesting. Pickleball is hot right now.
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: Baseball's dying, has been dying for years.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it had a great year. This year is great.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: The tennis is up, shortening the pitch clock. They changed
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: the rooms, young stars, But I get you, but.
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: Just in general, yeah, basketball to the moon. Football is interesting.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Different planet, huh, different universe.
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: Football is a fifty year playing for football because youth
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: participation in football is drastically declining. Yes, so even though
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: it's still number one in America, there's no international presence. Really,
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: youth participation is declined. Like my son plays football seventh
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: to eighth grade team. He's the only seventh grader on
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: the team because none of the other seventh grader's parents
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: will let them play. So at some point football is
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: going to have to get a little concern. So what's
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: your what's your thoughts on the future of sports and
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: the ecosystem of where we're at right now?
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I'm going to have a very optimistic
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: view because it's the world I'm in and I love it,
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: even as it relates to football. I saw that, you know,
• 59:39
  Speaker 8: the Olympic Committee is allowed to flag football in right,
• 59:42
  Speaker 8: and I.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: Think Global Expanse twenty twenty eight in LA twenty twenty eight.
• 59:45
  Speaker 8: I think that's good for the sport, and I'm hoping
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: that football finds a way to innovate, whether from the
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: technology and equipment standpoint or something, because it's still like
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: everybody's favorite sport in some ways. But I think for me,
• 59:59
  Speaker 8: I I think there's this shift happening where because the
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: media only allowed for certain sports to be able to
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: be televised the way basketball and football and tennis when
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 8: it was the majors, and golf when it was the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 8: majors in NASCAR for the big races, there was never
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 8: an outlet for all these other sports. There was not
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: enough of money or opportunity or brand or belief in
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: any of these as businesses because they always had to
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: compare them to the major sports. Well, now all of
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: a sudden, a there's this premium amount experience in real
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: life moments and fan engagement and being able to create
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: that sense of community. So I think that gives all
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: of these sports opportunities in the physical. Then from a
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: media standpoint, with all of these different ways to stream
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: content and break up rights and all the multitude of
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 8: outlets that there are, all of these sports now have opportunities.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 8: You saw the NWSL, the Women's soccer League just got
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 8: a big media deal CBS.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: And the fact that.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 8: It's one of the only live occurrences left it brings
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: an insane amount of value to streaming services into broadcast
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 8: TV or whatever's left of it.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: And there's communities.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: They're not the size of the NBA, but they're communities
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: that love these sports. And then the number one reason
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 8: is these are the best in the world at what
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: they do. And I'm just like, somehow, some way, if
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: you have the best in the world at what they do,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: there's has to be puzzle pieces there to create a
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: business around it. Best female softball players in the world.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 8: I was in Chicago and August at the Athletes Unlimited
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 8: event that they did for their softball league, and it's
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 8: like there's no difference between those women and how hard
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 8: they had to work, even harder at some points because
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 8: they have two jobs along the way to do this.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: And I think that there's a world in which if
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 8: you're the best in the world, that's you do that,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: there's a business there.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: So I'm bullish on all of them.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: So I wonder from how you're strategically laying this out.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: The ownership piece is very important and your own your
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: own franchises, like you said, impickable, right, you're doing it
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: with MLS.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: You had DC United.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: I'm sure, no, Philly you And I'm sorry, I'm thinking
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: DC because, oh Katie.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: We tried that first, but they didn't want us in
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: the same way that's Yo Gotti, Yeah, Yo Gotty.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: Yes, when he said d n V, I'm thinking him.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: But is it to show in the portfolio? Yes, we
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: have ownership experience. When the opportunity comes for one of
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: the four majors to come and say, you know what,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: there's a franchise that we're trying to have expansion in
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: in the city. See how perhaps to show that we've
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: had ownership, we've proven ourselves.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 8: We want to be part of the conversation silver lining.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: I think like yes, but no, it's not the reason
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: for the investments. But it's a great added bonus that
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: we can sit in on board meetings and understand the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: economics of a franchise and understand the way these franchises
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: are built and how media deals are done. So yes,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: I think there's a great knowledge base that you know,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: Kevin can take from this into potentially owning a professional
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 8: sports team in one of the majors. But I also
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: think there's an incredible you know, value first in the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: investments we've made, and you know, you look at the MLS,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: like you said, this may end up being.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: One of the major leagues in the US a time.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so you got anything coming up with Visa, Yeah,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: and little baby Mike Ruben's gonna be in attendance. What's
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: what is that and what should people expect from that?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I think I'm hoping to do as
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: many of those type of events throughout the year. Again,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: I don't you know, I think our style of doing
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: these things may not be at the scale of what
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: you guys just did, which again I you know, I
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 8: told you I commend you for it every way, like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: just getting there, pulling it off, having that many people
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: in the room, the conversations, the panels you had. But
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: I think for us, it's like we've seen these places
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: where we can really impact so for something like that,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: it's going to be about curating a really small, intimate
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: room of really influential people having a conversation on stage
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: as if it was a night out, like truly like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 8: going to the theater, and it'll be a fireside chat
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 8: that I'll moderate, and you'll feel like it's a vibe
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: a bit more than if you were just at a conference.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 8: And even the conference we did this past summer with CNBC,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: which was I guess our version of a bigger conference.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: I think it was a perfect blend of like the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: credibility and like the institution of a major business network,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: and then like the vibe and the people we brought.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: To the room and the energy in the room.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: So's it's just another of multitude things you'll see of
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: us taking boardroom into real.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: Life as far as in person experiences. Yeah, so that's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: important to your vision for the company.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 8: It's as important as anything. I really think that that's
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 8: where we're at our best. I think that people really
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 8: value that. I think there's a lot to learn from
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: connectivity and building your network and access. You know, when
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 8: people ask you, and I'm sure you guys get asked this,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 8: like what would you tell a young entrepreneur, and it's like,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: I don't have anything to say to a young entrepreneur.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 8: And I don't mean that to be disrespectful, because all
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: those other lines are so cliche, like build your network, man,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: Like I think working is good advice, And I know
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: that sounds like boring, but you know, back in the day,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 8: I would have given a ridiculous answer, And now I'm like,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 8: I think the one missing ingredient from a lot of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 8: entrepreneurs is they don't actually want to do the work,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: like you really have to do the work, like there is.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: No skipping the step.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: But I think I think for for us, you know,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 8: I think I think for us, what I've realized is
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: like my my skill set and one of the things
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: I can do is bring people together. And if I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 8: can create those moments of connectivity in network and offer
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 8: them up, then that's better than just like telling somebody like,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 8: go build your network. So I hope to have a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: nice mix of people in the room where it's not
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 8: like just a hundred people that you may never get
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 8: a chance to talk to. It's going to be a
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: blend of people that are young and up and coming,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: people are successful, people that are successful that are looking for.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Young and up and coming. When is it November night?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: Can anybody come?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: No? And I fucked up and posted the post of
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: the fire today and it got yelled at.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: But you two can? I hope you're hopefully both here
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: November nine. Yeah, so it's just like invite only.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know what came over me this morning.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and then people were hitting me up like yo,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: put me down plus three and I'm like, what did.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: I do here?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: I actually saw it? So it went and then the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: CC Sabbathia the cover story.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right after that, ye, I quickly went, I don't know.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know what happened to me this morning, man,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: But it it is.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: Because even in the conferences there's still a musical theme
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: right that there are still musicians that are part of it.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: Talk about the importance of building those two worlds what
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: you see. Obviously you could have Michael Rubin, but you
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: can have a little baby. Even with the conference you
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: had during the summer, Travis Scott was part of it,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: so talk about infusing those two worlds.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean I missed the music business now, which
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 8: is crazy because it's like I find myself you know,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 8: I'm still Kevin's agent, but I have gotten away from
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: being an agent and representing talent and I've really gotten
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: more into building a brand and investing and being entrepreneurial.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 8: And you know, that's still that like pole that I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 8: love about the music industry. I think now I can
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: kind of fulfill myself with by telling stories around some
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 8: of the same things in music that I do in sports,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 8: and shedding light and some of the people and some
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: of the partnerships and some of the companies and the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 8: labels and the music world like I have with sports,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: and then as we build more of these events and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 8: these moments, you know, also integrating musicians and labels and
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 8: streaming services into what we're doing and starting to shed
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: a little bit of light on that side of the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 8: music business from our vantage point. And it's not going
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 8: to be the same as what hits Daily Double or
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 8: you know, a BT or all hip hop.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: I don't even know who the music platforms are.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 8: But for us, it'll be kind of always rooted in sports,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 8: but it'll be the vantage point of that what we
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 8: see the music industry.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: So I don't watch TV, but it was interesting because
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: I think I think it was Megan, who's the head
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: of a sixteen Z cultural leadership point. I think she
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: was the one that was advocating. Somebody was advocating play
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: a show called Swagger. Yeah, and they was saying that
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: it was like the best show arguably ever created. That's you, guys,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: a show right. Yeah, So now I'm interested to watch
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: the show.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: I haven't watched it, but I've heard that it was exceptional.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: So how did that come about? And walk us through
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: Swagger for anybody that has not been familiar with it.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you're like, I don't watch TV, I don't stream E.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: But so this is a good example of I guess,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: knowing yourself and like knowing what you can bring to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: a situation what you can And at this time in
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 8: our career, this was two thousand and seventeen, Kevin and I,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 8: in all of our conversations and all of our travels,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 8: I would hear so much about his rec center growing up.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 8: And it was almost like everything that happened in his
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 8: life as a kid was happening in the backdrop of
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 8: this rec center. And then it like one day I said, man,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: what are we going to do? Like this rec center
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 8: is everything? And he was like we got to do something,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 8: and conversation like kept going and we somehow were like
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 8: found this idea of Friday Night Lights.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: Was this like cult classic.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 8: It kind of showed you what Friday night Football and
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: like football in the State of Texas was like, and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: people fell in love with these characters and grew up
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: with these characters. So there's no real true similarity, but
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 8: there was something about that that stuck with us and
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: we kept saying it, and then we kept talking about
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: this idea for the show and it was evolving in
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: different ways. And then Kevin and I went to Google
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 8: Camp in twenty seventeen in Sicily, incredible experience in prime
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: and Google does these like conference camps by invite only,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: and this one was in Sicily and it was one
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: of those like boardroom moments for me where I was like,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 8: what the fuck am I doing here? You know, like
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 8: really just pinching myself at the people that were around
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: and the conversations that I was able to hear. And
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 8: Brian Grazer was there, so we went up to him
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 8: and we said, we want to do something that is
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: like Friday Night Lights. You created or you were a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 8: part of building Friday night Lights and Kevin's got this
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 8: story to tell about his rec center.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: So we partnered with Imagine.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: And my point about like knowing where you're at is,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: you know, a lot of people wouldn't understand why I
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 8: had to partner with another production company, But the reason
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 8: I had to partner was because I didn't have that
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 8: in structure then.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't have that knowledge.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: Then I didn't have the clout then, and Brian did
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 8: and he believed in us, and we partnered with him,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: and he taught us so much. And Brian's company is
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 8: Imagined him and Ron Howard, and then we sought out
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 8: set out to get a writer and we found Reggie Blightwood,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 8: who's just incredible, and we were able to sell Swagger
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 8: to Apple. And season one took place during the pandemic,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 8: and we actually wrote everything in real time, masks the pandemic,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 8: the protests, and it was all in season one, but
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: it didn't connect the same way that it has now.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 8: And Season two connected on another level. And I hear
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: that a lot, and it's just such a special project.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: And I never felt as proud as I did of
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 8: like being a part of something as like finishing season
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: two and feeling like, oh my god, I played a small.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: Part of this.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: So it's about the rec center.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 8: It's loosely based on that and loosely based on Kevin's life.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 8: What it ultimately turned into was like based in.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: Prince George's county, Marylyn.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 8: It picks up with this AAU team and this past
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: year they were seniors in high school. But in season
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: one it picks up with this AAU team and the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: different AU coaches and the relationships and life and basketball
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 8: is the backdrop.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: But it's this like to.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: Us all times of different free elements, this girls.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: Involved in league, girls, people getting paid under the table, yes,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: college coach coming all that.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 8: And then season two it's about like relationships and kids
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: figuring out, like about loyalty and sticking with your team
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: and sticking up for coaches and injustices and having to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: do all that while still maintaining this love of the game.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 8: And then if we get a season three, hopefully they'll
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: go on to the next stage again.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: Season three will be on the way.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Another piece of art that you put together that we
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: are proud of being from New York, New York City.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Point gods, yes, talk about that being from New York
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: obviously loving sports, and I wonder if they're gods.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: Point gods.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there are a few point gods from our generation
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: that I'm sure were Hey, why weren't we part of this?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: So yeah, talk about that.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: Who wasn't a part of it? I think everybody was
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: a part of it?
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Well it stopped, Yeah, it stopped.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: So was the last one we didn't get? That's the point.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, stopped. So Sebastian's not it was eighties, nineties.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Sebastian's not part of it. Omar Cook, Dre Barrett is
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: not part of it.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 8: Trinity Yeah, yeah, but Brown Khalik Brown was interviewed in it.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 8: Omar Cook was in interviewed in it, but we didn't
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: interviewed interviewed in it, but we did not cover them.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 8: And the idea for it was that there was an
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 8: era in time in the eighties and nineties where a
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: I grew up watching them. So again, like from an
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 8: authenticity standpoint, that was the story. I felt like I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 8: had a vested interest in a vested interest in number one,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 8: number two. I feel like whatever happened before, which was
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 8: obviously Bob Coosey, Lenny Bs tiny Archipaul, Like, these are legends. Yeah,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 8: they inspired this era. This era went on to inspire
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 8: that era. But this era we were referring to as
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 8: cultural superheroes, people that I believed were direct results of
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: hip hop and basketball coming together. And that was Kenny Smith,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 8: Mark Jackson, Kenny Anderson, God Sham God skipped to my Lou,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 8: Rod Strickland, and Stephan Marberry. And that was this eighties
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: nineties era. And I'm I'm not sure if I'm missing
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: anyone that may be the most proud of anything I've
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: ever worked on that I've been, and that was because
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 8: Mark Jackson was my idol growing up. Every one of
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: these dudes was my idol, absolutely idolized in went to
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 8: Golden Hoops, waited out line, went everywhere to watch.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: These guys play. You grew up a Nicks man, grew
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: up a diehard Nick fan. Yea. Mark Jackson was like
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: my god as a kid.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: Those are the first games I ever remember was Mark Jackson,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: Rod Strickland, trit Tucker Yup, Ewen Troker, Willgans Yeah, of course, Scott,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: Kenny sky Walker.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, That's why I'm all in on Saint John's again.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 8: I mean, I've always loved Saint John St.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: Johns. Go to Saint John's.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: No, but everyone thinks I did because I go so
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 8: hard for them. But I didn't go to college. I'm
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 8: just like, fuck it. Unofficial booster, Yes, straight up, Patino's back.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 8: So Tino's back.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: I love this. I got tickets to season. I'm all in.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 8: But you know, I honestly, I didn't realize how many
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 8: people actually. I think we're disappointed with some storylines or
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: people that we left out, for sure.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: And I also felt like there were some people.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 8: That felt like, like, why are y'all making it?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And we wanted to make it.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: But I think what I've learned is.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 8: It that's unavoidable and that I actually did make it.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: Nobody else did you.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: What it is?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: I was appreciative of it, Like the skip part is dope.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: The Rod Strickland piece, yeah, I mean because there is
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: no Kyrie without that piece, you know what I mean.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: So I think that that's important. That's a guy we
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: feel I feel like that gets old.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: Look, there is no Kyrie or he played a part.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Well, he told him how to play basket.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: His father played basketball.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Though, but he showed him how to handle the rock.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: He gives him the credit.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: No, Kyrie is a strong statement to make Kyrie.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: He's Kyrie, He's he played a huge part, played the part,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: play a part in his life, A huge part in
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: his life, A huge part yea, because his dad never
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: went professional.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: No, but his dad was a hell of a ball player.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, but style of play that was probably it's more
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: Rod Strickland.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 8: I will say Rod is a unique example because there's
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 8: an argument, you know that a lot of them deserve
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 8: their own film altogether, you know what I'm saying. So
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 8: like there was a part of me that felt like,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 8: damn I Rod needed like an hour. Yeah, like his
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: significance and the respect that people have for him and
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 8: Stefan just had the film that Coody and chi K
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 8: did that we were able actually to produce with them
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 8: A Kid from Coney Island and then obviously like I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 8: would do a movie on Mark if you wanted. But
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 8: like the idea of that was just like that era,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 8: that moment, that feeling and like the camera on sham
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 8: God Dynamics in the film is the example of what
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 8: like the essence.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: Of the film was. He's in Riverside.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, did it, and that connection between the two of them,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 8: the memories, the stories of like the shoes with the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 8: you know, with the load.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: You ever had those you know what people want to do.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: So we used to the joints that he said. I
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: just walked around with them all the time.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 9: So, all right, who's the Who's the best New York
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 9: City point guard ever in history?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Who's yours? I have, I know who who's yours.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to taint the conversation by saying, Man.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 8: Okay, I'll be consistent with my entire life and I'll
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 8: just say Mark Jackson because it's my favorite player ever.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 8: I will say though, that what I got feedback wise
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: from people was that Kenny Anderson, Rod Strickland, and mar
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: Berry were like different for sure.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: So my.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: I wasn't old enough to fully appreciate Kennyannison and Ross Strickland.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: But Stephan Marlberry's impact different, different, different. Everybody knew him.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: He's coming down shoot from half court. He had the part.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: You gotta realize, he actually transcended basketball. He had the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: part in the middle of his head. Everybody started doing
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: that because of stuff. It was a that's a fact, Steph.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: I think has to be the greatest New York City
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 6: point guard. And he actually had a hell of a career.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: It's unfortunate the later part of his career it kind
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: of got a little derailed. But he had a second
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: run in China. It's actually a legend.
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  Speaker 3: Legend.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, this is this is gonna be this
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  Speaker 4: is my camera zoom in here. This is gonna be
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: a rare moment in the history of Eralisia. Well, I
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: will one thousand percent agree with over Shan Steph Marberry
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: to me, Wow, the greatest point guard that New York City,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: that scene.
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  Speaker 8: But I will say that, but Kenny Anderson was is
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 8: incredible as well. The buzz around Kenny Anderson. That was
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 8: my brother's favorite player growing up.
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  Speaker 6: I will say this, Sebastian Telfair is the best movie
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  Speaker 6: I've ever seen when it comes to sports.
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  Speaker 5: Through that through that's actually was.
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  Speaker 8: But you didn't see point guys, did you?
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  Speaker 3: You know? Stream?
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  Speaker 5: You know? Yeah?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: I watch TV. I watched it a few times.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: I have to watch No, I want to watch Joint.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: The only movie you've ever seen it was Who Dreams?
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: Who Dreams? And then they stopped watching it after that.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: I want to see I want to see Point Guard.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: That's actually something that I'm very interested in seeing because
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: I saw the day I saw the the premiere. Yeah,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: and I knew a lot of people that was at
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: the premiere. I didn't get invited. But that's another story.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: That's different stories, different than.
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  Speaker 3: Me. But we wasn't all you know each other like that,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: for sure.
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  Speaker 6: That's right, you're right, But I will say that New
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: York City is predicate on street ball and the best
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: street ball player ever.
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  Speaker 3: That's not in histing.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: No it is. No, it's not. It's not it's not.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: That's not a debate.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: You can't say it's not a debate because you got
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: guys like Pee Kirkland, Joe Hammond, you got guys who
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: had hell of a career. But I just think that Skipped,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: to my lou was the greatest street ball player of
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 6: all time because he's the only one that's actually successfully
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: transitioned from street legend to NBA.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why crazy that Skip played the NBA though too.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: For a long time and it was good. It was
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: to the finals.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: He was a legitimate player, Yeah, and.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: Plaided a hell of a career. Yeah, Skip, Yeah, it's
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: pretty now he's coaching.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: Went to Fresno with no high school diploma.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: Ged was on the cover of Slam.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: Best point Guard Ever.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: On the point when that's like Slam is kind of
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: like you're.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: For the best point Guard. No, Slam played a major point.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying now it doesn't have the same prevalence
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: that it did then, But like that was like making
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: it on the.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: Cover of Vogue for us. Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 8: There was no different than the like, yeah, that's it,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 8: you made it.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: Can I ask you a question because I think you're
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: one of the rare people that can answer this question
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: and probably one of the only people who's been on
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: any leisure that can answer this. And the time when
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: a player requests the trade, he said that you had
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: to play pick a ball to release him stuff.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: What is that like for you?
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: Knowing that you're the middle man, You're the liaison that
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: talks to the player, talks to the franchise, but also
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: was seeking other places for that player to go.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: What does that What is it like to be in
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: that moment? Yeah?
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 8: Well, invigorating, To be honest, I think that instance was
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 8: a bit different because I didn't represent anyone else, and
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 8: I'm in New York. I was a lifelong Nick fan,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 8: and when Kevin wanted to play in Brooklyn, he had
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 8: a vision and I always ride with whatever he wanted
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 8: to do. And I totally was like shit, I die
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 8: it fucking see it. And next thing I knew this
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 8: like lifelong Nick fan, was a NET fan, sitting at
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: every game in Brooklyn and loving it and consuming it
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 8: and becoming close with everyone in the organization. And I
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 8: felt some of that feeling that I think players feel
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 8: right even though I wasn't in any way, but I
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 8: felt very close to the organization. So it was tough
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 8: because here was my man, my right hand man, my brother,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 8: one of my closest friends in the world, my business
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 8: partner who is now going to be leaving. So it
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 8: was a different emotional kind of feeling. But what overshadows
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 8: that is a my job is him. I'll tell you
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 8: something that Jimmy Ivan told me during that summer and
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 8: he said it in Defining Ones and he's one of my,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 8: if not my greatest, like inspiration and idol, not mentor
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, Like, I think that always
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 8: gets confused. I don't want to and be like Jimmy's
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 8: my mentor and make it think like it's more than
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: it is. He's somebody that I'm incredibly inspired by and
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 8: I have a good relationship with him, a good friendship
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 8: with him.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: For a long time. He said to me, without knowing
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: what I.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 8: Was going through, he wrote, you go with the horse
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 8: that got you here, brother, That's all. He wrote something
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 8: like that, like you stick with the horse that got
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 8: you here, like basically saying, whatever emotions you feel and
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: get over it.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: It ain't about you handle your business. And I needed that.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 8: I quickly was like, all right, I got this, and
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 8: it's invigorating because I wanted to do this, just like
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 8: the Hamptons was invigorating, stressful, exciting, fun, all of those things.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: But ultimately I wanted to do it so like it's tough.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 8: It entails a lot of navigating and a lot of
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 8: relationship and a lot of like no different than any
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 8: business dealing that you guys got to do for your
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 8: show or anything in life.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: You gotta have conversations.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 8: And when you have Kevin Durant at the center of it,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 8: I can't relate to it anyone else but one of
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 8: the greatest players in the history of the world, so
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 8: you've got a different type of leverage to begin with.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 8: Sometimes it's a gift, sometimes it's a curse that have
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 8: that type of leverage. But ultimately it's just like navigating
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 8: relationships being honest, because what I won't do during those
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 8: things is bullshit or placate anybody, or like try to
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 8: play off with someone. I've never navigated situations by being
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 8: a bullshitter or navigated situations by trying to fuck someone
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 8: else over along the way, So that process takes longer
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 8: sometimes because you got to be respectful and check every box.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 8: But ultimately, now he's in Phoenix, he's happy. I still
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 8: have tickets in the Barclays. I'm still friends with everybody there,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 8: and everyone's relationships are good, and that to me, that
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 8: means it was a job well.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: Done, well rich and a pleasure. Appreciate you coming anything
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: else that you want to let the people be aware of,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: or any initiative that you got coming up before we nahus.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 8: You guys took care of me and brought up everything,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 8: and I appreciate you guys, And it's been fun to
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 8: be in the show challenging. I love the questions and yeah,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 8: I mean, I hope you guys are able to come
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 8: and let me interview you guys.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Oh man holding away and away.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 8: I love that because I'm going to dig into the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 8: business of the two of you and earn your leisure
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 8: as well, because I'm truly inspired and motivated by it
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: as well.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: Appreciate that.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: Appreciate that, brother. All right, guys, thank you guys for
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: rock on us. We'll see you next week. Peace.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: Peace.
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