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The Bolt Report | 20 May · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: Is the gold reform. Tonight, the Albertezy governors budget nightmare
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Speaker 1: gets even worse for the new South Wales Labor prime
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Speaker 1: Minister Prime Minister. The Premier now also piling on, and
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Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen hints that I head to head fight with
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Speaker 1: National cymat Canavan that could even knock one of them
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Speaker 1: out of politics. Plus the Aboriginal activist who says the
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Speaker 1: Australian flag is too offensive for a council to put
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Speaker 1: on its letterhead. But first, next Sunday, the anniversary of
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Speaker 1: a disaster, the twentieth anniversary of the film that hoakes
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Speaker 1: the world An Inconvenient Truth, which I think tonight denotes.
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Speaker 1: Zolz deserves being skewered because this is the documentary which
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Speaker 1: former US Vice President Al Gore made on the global
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Speaker 1: warming crisis, alleged crisis, and this film helped to terrify
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Speaker 1: our children and devastate our economy. This is the film
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Speaker 1: in which Gore showed footage of freak weather events and
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Speaker 1: blamed them on man made emissions that he thundered threatened
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Speaker 1: us with doom. It's our only home.
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Speaker 2: And that is what is at stake, our ability to
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Speaker 2: live on planet Earth, to have a future as a civilization.
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Speaker 2: I believe this is a moral issue.
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Speaker 1: That Old Testament talk created an explosion, unfortunately not of laughter.
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Speaker 1: It also created almost instantly a cult for the self
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Speaker 1: hating West global warming and Hollywood treated Gore like a prophet,
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Speaker 1: gave him two Academy Awards for a film that was
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Speaker 1: then shown at millions of school kids as the Gospel Truth.
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Speaker 1: The United Nations even invited a Swedish schoolgirl, Greta Tambo,
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Speaker 1: to come preach from Gore's Bible and Beret world leaders
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Speaker 1: for their sins.
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Speaker 3: How dare you?
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Speaker 1: You have stolen my dreams and my childhood. People are dying,
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Speaker 1: Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of
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Speaker 1: a mass extinction. It really is hard to exaggerate the
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Speaker 1: hysteria that Gore helped to unleash.
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Speaker 4: What's going to happen to the whole world if no
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Speaker 4: one doesn't need him.
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Speaker 1: In fact, terrifying helpless children became a popular sport. I mean,
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Speaker 1: look at this bit of a film that the Nations
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Speaker 1: actually prepared for a climate summer three years after an
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Speaker 1: inconvenient truth global warming will.
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Speaker 3: Kill the kids.
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Speaker 1: And in Australia, Just one year after the film's release,
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Speaker 1: we got a new labor leader, Kevin Rudd, who was
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Speaker 1: made Prime Minister after repeating the Gore gospel.
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Speaker 5: High change is the great moral challenge about the duration.
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Speaker 1: But now twenty years on, we are waking up to
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Speaker 1: the cost of this mass hysteria. We're waking up to
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Speaker 1: the stupidity of the politicians who treated this message so seriously,
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Speaker 1: went along with saying yes, yes, the the world could
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Speaker 1: end if we don't go and it zero. Like Gore
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Speaker 1: says in this film.
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Speaker 2: We can make choices to bring our individual carbon emissions
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Speaker 2: to zero. The solutions are in our hands.
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Speaker 1: Now, look where that's now got to say, soaring power bills,
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Speaker 1: tens of billions of dollars wasted on schemes to make
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Speaker 1: exactly zero difference to the climate that doesn't even seem
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Speaker 1: to be in crisis anyway. Now, don't get me wrong.
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Speaker 1: Temperatures have been rising slowly. World temperatures, although they were
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Speaker 1: already rising even before our fossil fuel emissions were big
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Speaker 1: enough to make any difference. But where is the apocalypse
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Speaker 1: that we were told would follow? So let's go through
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Speaker 1: an inconvenient truth so you can see how stupid. Many
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Speaker 1: politicians and journalists were to treat it like now with
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Speaker 1: a respect just check fact check. Some of the most
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Speaker 1: embarrassing of the many miss Staten's inate An Inconvenient Truth,
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Speaker 1: was cynically mockted from the stop with a post of
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Speaker 1: the recent Hurricane Katrina, and the film exploited that disaster
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Speaker 1: missilessly as a sign of the climate hell to come.
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Speaker 2: You'll see Hurricane Katrina form over Florida, and then as
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Speaker 2: it comes into the Gulf, over that warm water, it
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Speaker 2: picks up that energy and gets stronger and stronger and stronger.
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Speaker 2: Look at that hurricane's eye. And of course the consequences
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Speaker 2: were so horrendous there are no words to describe it.
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Speaker 6: There we can report the calls that is breaking my
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Speaker 6: heart from people saying, I've been in my attie, I
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Speaker 6: can't take it anymore. The water is up to my
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Speaker 6: back now.
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Speaker 2: And God's name could that happen here? There have been
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Speaker 2: warnings that hurricanes would get strong.
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Speaker 1: Contrary to what Gore was trying to suggest there. The
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Speaker 1: US has seen a fall in the frequency of land
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Speaker 1: falling hurricanes fall in the past century, and Australia has
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Speaker 1: had fewer cyclones over the past fifty five years, and
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Speaker 1: also few severe ones. They're the ones in red here now.
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Speaker 1: Gore also claimed in this film The Global Woman, because
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Speaker 1: rising seas to drowned on all cities of tens of
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Speaker 1: millions of people. In fact, he said, Pacific islands, wow,
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Speaker 1: they're already coming underwater. Residents would have to flee. They
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Speaker 1: were fleeing already to New Zealand.
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Speaker 2: When the floating sea based ice cracked up, it no
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Speaker 2: longer held back the ice on the land. That's why
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Speaker 2: the citizens of these Pacific nations have all had to
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Speaker 2: evacuate to New Zealand.
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Speaker 1: Or had to evacuate. Not one Pacific islander has ever
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Speaker 1: had to be evacuated to New Zealand because their islands
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Speaker 1: were drowning. Not one. In fact, it's rather the opposite.
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Speaker 1: Even the ABC had to emit five years ago. You
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Speaker 1: know how pro the warming scare the ABC is had
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Speaker 1: to admit five years ago. This study showed hundreds of
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Speaker 1: low lying Pacific islands were in fact getting bigger ways
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Speaker 1: of washing up sand. And a study eight years ago
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Speaker 1: said data from thirty Pacific and Indian ocean adols, including
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Speaker 1: seven hundred and nine islands, reveals that eighty eight point
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Speaker 1: six percent of those islands were either stable or increased
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Speaker 1: in area. I mean, honestly, I confronted Gore to his
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Speaker 1: face at a conference in America. Once boom, he hit
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Speaker 1: the roof. He didn't like being questioned. But really, this
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Speaker 1: film it pedaled another scare that for a while turned
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Speaker 1: the polar bear into a symbol of the climate catastrophe.
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Speaker 1: Coca Cola even put these bears on their cans. Gore
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Speaker 1: had so fooled it and the rest of the world
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Speaker 1: by claiming global woman killing polar bears by melting the ice.
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Speaker 2: So there is a faster build up of heat here
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Speaker 2: at the North Pole. That's not good for creatures like
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Speaker 2: polar bears who depend on the ice. A new scientific
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Speaker 2: study shows that for the first time, they're finding polar
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Speaker 2: bears that have actually drowned, swimming long distances up sixty
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Speaker 2: miles to find the ice.
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Speaker 1: Al Gore, the Bannum and Bailey of the climate movement.
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Speaker 1: I mean, In fact, some studies suggest beer numbers have risen,
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Speaker 1: and last the seventh, the University of e Sangly reported
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Speaker 1: the bears in Greenland may be adapting to survive warmer
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Speaker 1: climates In January, Science magazine reported that polar bears in
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Speaker 1: Norway were also getting fatter. None it went Gore and
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Speaker 1: his film This Is the Last Example, showed a picture
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Speaker 1: of Tanzania's snow topped Mount Kilimanjaro.
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Speaker 2: This is Mount Kilimanjaro, more than thirty years ago. Within
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Speaker 2: the decade, there will be no more snows of kilimanjar.
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Speaker 1: No snow in a decade. Instead, two decades later, this
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Speaker 1: is what hikers are still finding on Kilimanjara and posting
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Speaker 1: on trip Advisor. And last month the Tanzanian media was
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Speaker 1: reporting that ice cover of the mountain is actually tripled.
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Speaker 1: And you just gotta wonder, don't you? How could so
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Speaker 1: many people have been so gullible to believe Al Gore's
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Speaker 1: nonsense and to destroy our economy? Joining me is Graham Lloyd,
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Speaker 1: Environment editor of the Australian newspaper. Graham, great to see
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Speaker 1: you again. Look, I know you've followed this cysteria for
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Speaker 1: years now and inconvenient truth, what influence has it had
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Speaker 1: on Australia.
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Speaker 7: Well, good evening, Andrew.
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Speaker 8: It's impossible to overstate the influence that this documentary has
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Speaker 8: had not just on Australia but the whole world. It
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Speaker 8: really mainstreamed this extreme view of what could happen, and
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Speaker 8: it forced a generation of policy bakers, from Barack Obama
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Speaker 8: and John Kerry down to Kevin Rudd and others to
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Speaker 8: use it as a platform on which to campaign and
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Speaker 8: demonstrate their virtue if you like, and was used as
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Speaker 8: a political tool, and a very expensive.
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Speaker 7: One at that.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, I remember reviewing the film when it first came
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Speaker 1: out knows as the watching and thinking, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: this is going to create a lot of mischief. Al Gore,
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Speaker 1: of course, has made a fortune sometime. It was the
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Speaker 1: first carbon billionaire or carbon neutral billionaire fortune from the
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Speaker 1: globe warming scare. Is still being treated like a hero
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Speaker 1: in the lead up to this anniversary. How has he
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Speaker 1: gone away with this for so long? Do you think?
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Speaker 8: Well, I don't think it's correct to say he's a
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Speaker 8: carbon neutral bill in there. I think his carbon footprint
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Speaker 8: is the size of a small country.
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Speaker 3: It's gone away.
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Speaker 8: With it because it's a message that people want to hear.
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Speaker 8: Doomsday scenarios are as old as time, as you referred to,
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Speaker 8: and it also tapped into a deep loathing of the
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Speaker 8: fossil fuel industry that predated the climate change issue, and
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Speaker 8: to al Gore's good fortune, there's a whole industry, a
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Speaker 8: green industrial complex, that would like to replace the fossil fuel.
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Speaker 7: Industry, and they've driven.
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Speaker 8: Right into this issue to build their case, and we're
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Speaker 8: seeing the fruits of it today. And certainly people are
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Speaker 8: waking up to the environmental mental impact of going another direction.
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Speaker 7: And that's the situation.
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Speaker 1: Now. Graham contradict me as a hopeless optimist if you
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Speaker 1: have to, but I think it's now a reaction to
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Speaker 1: the climate cult after twenty long years of hysteria and
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Speaker 1: economic damage. How much of a reaction do you see
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Speaker 1: and what in fact is changing.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think it's certainly still an issue there. However,
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Speaker 8: the extreme end of the protest movement has moved on
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Speaker 8: to other issues, particularly with the Middle East. In recent
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Speaker 8: times they've lost a bit of interest in it. We're
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Speaker 8: increasingly saying that the wild predictions that have been made
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Speaker 8: are not coming true as was promised, and I think
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Speaker 8: governments are waking up to the fact that they can't
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Speaker 8: afford it. So best will in the world, the UK,
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Speaker 8: germany other places have wrecked their energy economies trying to
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Speaker 8: accommodate the issue, and it's not solving the issue, and
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Speaker 8: it's not producing the goods. So I think there's the
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Speaker 8: political resistance because of try and make it happen, and
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Speaker 8: the public is moving on to other things.
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Speaker 1: Of course, when you create an entire bureaucracy, the bureaucracy's
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Speaker 1: first imperative is to keep the money flowing. They don't
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Speaker 1: want to vote themselves out of jobs and cash. So
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Speaker 1: that's one of the problems, a huge bureaucracy. But you've
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Speaker 1: written you've given me one little bit of hope in
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Speaker 1: I think your latest column. Even the United Nations into
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Speaker 1: Governmental Panel and Climate Change, which writes the bible of
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Speaker 1: the global warming movement, seems now to be backing off.
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Speaker 1: Tell us what's happening there.
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Speaker 8: Well, it is a very interesting development, and it really
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Speaker 8: suggests that there's some within the science community who realize
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Speaker 8: that the jig is up and they need to come
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Speaker 8: back from their extreme positions.
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Speaker 7: A sort of feature of the.
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Speaker 8: IPCC reports over the last years has been to present
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Speaker 8: extreme scenarios that were then populated by the media and
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Speaker 8: policymakers as what's going to happen in the future.
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Speaker 7: The truth is that those scenarios.
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Speaker 8: And they're the ones that al Gore relied on of
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Speaker 8: tipping points and the end of environmental systems were always implausible,
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Speaker 8: never likely to happen. They were a worst case scenario,
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Speaker 8: but they weren't a real The IPCC is now re
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Speaker 8: looking at the way it does its models and makes
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Speaker 8: its projections, and it's saying that they should use a
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Speaker 8: worst case scenario that is not as extreme. In fact,
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Speaker 8: it's forty percent less extreme than the one they were
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Speaker 8: using in the past. And even this model will only
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Speaker 8: happen if everybody stops doing anything about mitigation as of tomorrow.
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Speaker 8: So in a way, they've said, look, let's come back
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Speaker 8: to a more realistic outlook. Let's present the known science
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Speaker 8: on that basis, and they will put it into their
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Speaker 8: seven report, which is due out in a couple of
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Speaker 8: years time, and that will be a fascinating document. It
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Speaker 8: should give us a real insight into how the outcomes
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Speaker 8: measure up with the science.
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Speaker 1: Graham Lloyd look forward to that report because I still
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Speaker 1: think it'll be unrealistic and the worst case scenari who
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Speaker 1: presented as by the media as the most likely scenario
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Speaker 1: as we've seen for years so far, Our grand Lloyd
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Speaker 1: thank you so much, indeed for your time, really appreciated.
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Speaker 1: After the break the Albanies He governments budget, hell, unbelievably
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Speaker 1: it gets even worse. It now gets even worse for
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Speaker 1: this government. Even the new South Wales Labor premier has
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Speaker 1: had a whack of the Albany's government's car crash and
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Speaker 1: burn budget. That budget, by the way, really has turned
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Speaker 1: out to be karma for this government, hasn't it the
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Speaker 1: karma budget? For four years as socialist left prime Minister
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Speaker 1: and his henchmen have smash business to raise all this
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Speaker 1: cash and they've spent like mad member. Now when they've
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Speaker 1: gone back to try to get even more, the public
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Speaker 1: has said enough. And it's not just ordinary voters furious
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Speaker 1: are being allied to. It's not just investors punished now
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Speaker 1: for putting their money into shares or property, not just
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Speaker 1: business owners lived at having the government loop their businesses
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Speaker 1: with hikes of the capital gains tax. Skine is come
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Speaker 1: and ridden. By the way reported today.
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Speaker 5: Balancing work in life isn't easy, and for Lucy Campbell,
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Speaker 5: the government's changes to capital gains tax are about to
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Speaker 5: make the balancing act a whole lot harder.
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Speaker 9: We're really blindsided by that.
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Speaker 10: We're not always thinking of selling, We're just working really hard.
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Speaker 11: She's one of forty young entrepreneurs to sign an open
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Speaker 11: letter asking the Prime Minister to reconsider this.
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Speaker 12: Tax is about taxing business owners, people who have taken
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Speaker 12: the risk.
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Speaker 1: Now that's not bad enough. Now even senior labor figures
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Speaker 1: are saying, well, actually this does go too far. New
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Speaker 1: Southwest Premier Chris Mens today is saying well, taxes are
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Speaker 1: just too high.
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Speaker 9: Well, look, I mean, whether it's in this budget or
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Speaker 9: it's in the future, we do need to make sure
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Speaker 9: that we're doing everything we can to hear more money
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Speaker 9: back to working Australia at the top marginal rate of
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Speaker 9: forty seven percent. As I said in Parliament last week,
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Speaker 9: you're working Monday, Tuesday and half of Wednesday for yourself
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Speaker 9: and then Wednesday, Thursday and Friday for the government. That's
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Speaker 9: it's a tough burden for a lot of families to hit.
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Speaker 3: Hmmm.
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Speaker 1: The Liberals should sign that man up. But you know,
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Speaker 1: Chrismins is an alone in labor and thinking this joke
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Speaker 1: has just gone too far. As I said last night,
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Speaker 1: Lachlan Harris, he used to be a senior advisor to
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Speaker 1: Labor prom Minister Kevin Rudd. He now says, well, Labour
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Speaker 1: does need to reverse that measure to ensure the capital
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Speaker 1: gains tax change only applies to residential property, not to shares.
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Speaker 1: He says, it's all a very significant change the incentive
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Speaker 1: structure of starting a business and employing people, by which
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Speaker 1: he means, of course, these taxes are destroying incentive and initiative.
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Speaker 1: And you've got even labor giant Bill Kelty, the former
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Speaker 1: a City you secretary early calling earlier calling for the
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Speaker 1: top tax rate to be slack to thirty nine percent,
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Speaker 1: for the tax thresholds to go up with inflation, which,
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Speaker 1: good heavens, is what the coalition is saying too. Well,
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Speaker 1: Treasurer Jim Charmers, honestly, that guy can't be told anything.
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Speaker 1: He insists, is giving plenty of tax cuts already.
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Speaker 5: This is a government which is cutting taxes for every
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Speaker 5: Australian worker thirteen point three million Australian workers. We'll get
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Speaker 5: another tax cut from this government in the budget. We
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Speaker 5: are cutting taxes five times in three different ways, and
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Speaker 5: that's because we recognize how important it is that we
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Speaker 5: use the tax system to provide this tax relief.
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Speaker 1: To workers. This time. I thought that hard hat and
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Speaker 1: the glasses and all that made him look like a
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Speaker 1: man feeling hunted, needing the protection from the voters. Joined
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Speaker 1: me is the political panel camera of Milner, formerly chief
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Speaker 1: of staff to labor leader Bill Short, now director of
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Speaker 1: GXO Strategies, and Michael Costs, the former New South Wales
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Speaker 1: labor treitor. And Michael I can guarantee you never handed
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Speaker 1: down a budget that got this much backlash. How much
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Speaker 1: damaged is this one doing to the Albinizi government. We'll
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Speaker 1: they have to back off.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's going to try to back off some measures,
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Speaker 13: but I think the damages, as we said last week,
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Speaker 13: to their credibility, nobody's going to believe them.
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Speaker 14: Even if they back off.
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Speaker 13: It's really not going to give them the political when
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Speaker 13: they think they're going to get. And you know, Chris
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Speaker 13: mens is right about the situation with tax and says
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Speaker 13: Bill Keilty, and you know clearly we've been advocating this
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Speaker 13: on your program for a long time. If we don't
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Speaker 13: have proper tax bracket indexation, this is just you know,
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Speaker 13: a game of clever tricks and secret plans like Roll
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Speaker 13: Doll's enormous crocodile which the federal government's become. And you know,
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Speaker 13: Jim Chalmers is proven with that budget. He's just financially
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Speaker 13: illiterate and clueless about how to grow an economy. And
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Speaker 13: you know, we've always known Albot had no idea. Remember
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Speaker 13: he opposed all of the hawk keeping reforms that led
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Speaker 13: to a growing economy, which allowed you to underpin a
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Speaker 13: good social warfare system that was means tested. So I
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Speaker 13: think they're in real trouble. And the trouble has to
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Speaker 13: do not with the specific measures, but with a broader
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Speaker 13: loss of credibility, which I don't see how they can
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Speaker 13: regain it.
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Speaker 1: Well, Cameron Milner, what do you make of all this
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Speaker 1: labor does seem to me to be pretty friendless? Well
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Speaker 1: it is.
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Speaker 4: And New South Wales's Premier, Chris Men's is a great
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Speaker 4: labor leader and he's calling out the Albany's government for
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Speaker 4: their failure to look after working people. I mean this
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Speaker 4: Albani's budget has been a full frontal assault on aspiration,
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Speaker 4: a full front of assault, and the budget has been
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Speaker 4: turned into a dumpster fire, deceit and lies, a dumpster fire.
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Speaker 4: I mean, these guys in a awful trouble, awful trouble
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Speaker 4: on the back foot, lying all the way they have
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Speaker 4: and this is the problem. And to Michael's point, it's
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Speaker 4: their credibility that's shot. It doesn't matter what they say now,
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Speaker 4: it doesn't matter what spin they put on it. Now
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Speaker 4: people know that Albanese lies, lies to get into the
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Speaker 4: office and then comes to a budget and does exactly
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Speaker 4: the opposite. And that's the problem with this government now.
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Speaker 4: Their credibility is shot and that is the biggest problem
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Speaker 4: in politics.
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Speaker 1: Well that's what we saw to your point yesterday with
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Speaker 1: that disastrous press conference Albanies he had in Perth. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what's the point of asking the Prime Minister any question
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Speaker 1: to get an answer that may will be a lie
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Speaker 1: given his past performance. The whole exercise is pointless. It's
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Speaker 1: a joke. No wonder journalists were so upset, Michael. Yet
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Speaker 1: another poll today shows exactly how much the government is
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Speaker 1: bleeding from this, the Sky News Resolve poll. It shows
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Speaker 1: Labour's primary vote falling by another two points to an
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Speaker 1: amazing low for a sitting government of twenty eight percent.
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Speaker 1: One nation is now only just behind it on twenty
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Speaker 1: five and the coalition has gone up two points to
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Speaker 1: be close behind. What does this tell you, Well.
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Speaker 13: It tells me it's going to be a disaster for
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Speaker 13: the Center Right, to be honest, not Labor.
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Speaker 14: I mean, their credibility is shot.
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Speaker 13: But as we've said on many occasions, you've got to
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Speaker 13: translate that into seats and unless they can, you know,
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Speaker 13: I heard today that somebody is going to run against
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Speaker 13: Matt Canavan. What a disaster's move that would be to
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Speaker 13: take out an effective operator like him from the center right.
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Speaker 13: You know, for what game? You know, he put a
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Speaker 13: one nation person in his seat. Is that person going
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Speaker 13: to be any better than Matt?
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Speaker 14: I doubt it. So I think, you know, there's some
23:26
Speaker 14: real problems for Labor, but you know, unless the Center
23:28
Speaker 14: right gets its act together and starts to move forward.
23:32
Speaker 13: And you know the worst part about all this, Andrew
23:34
Speaker 13: is I think Angus Taylor's actually you had a good
23:38
Speaker 13: budget reply. I think he was the one that focused
23:40
Speaker 13: on tax indexation, bracket indexation, and I think that's the
23:45
Speaker 13: right way to go. And I just see trouble ahead.
23:47
Speaker 13: And as I said, unfortunately one nation is going to
23:50
Speaker 13: become you know, the deal p of the center right.
23:56
Speaker 1: Well, I've got to say that Pauline Hanson as as
23:59
Speaker 1: Anger status delivering his budget in reply was giving hers
24:03
Speaker 1: in the Senate and also promised the indexation of the
24:06
Speaker 1: tax scales. So you know, take your pick. The point
24:10
Speaker 1: is here, at Cameron, why should one nation give in
24:14
Speaker 1: to the coalition when it's leading in every poll recently
24:18
Speaker 1: that I've seen, well.
24:21
Speaker 4: And they're doing the heavy lifting, aren't they for the
24:24
Speaker 4: right of of the political spectrum? I mean, you know,
24:26
Speaker 4: the Liberals are in a hell hole at twenty three
24:28
Speaker 4: percent away if it is in nineteen only a few
24:30
Speaker 4: weeks ago. Only one nation is actually holding up the
24:33
Speaker 4: right end of the spectrum. But to your point, Michael,
24:35
Speaker 4: it's compulsively preferential, and these numbers are starting get a
24:38
Speaker 4: bit more difficult for Labor. So Labour plus Greens is
24:40
Speaker 4: only forty one percent, the Coalition plus one nation is
24:43
Speaker 4: our forty six percent. That's a big shift in these polls,
24:46
Speaker 4: and these trends keep going. That twenty eight percent is
24:49
Speaker 4: a toxic number, toxic number for Labor to want to
24:52
Speaker 4: bet the next election on. And that's what Albanese's lies
24:54
Speaker 4: have done. They've taken it from thirty four percent to
24:57
Speaker 4: twenty eight percent after this disastrous budget.
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Speaker 14: But the Two Party preferred Andrews.
25:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to yeah, No, I saw that. I
25:05
Speaker 1: was just about to make that same point, backing you up.
25:08
Speaker 1: The Two Party preferred whether you make one nation, the
25:13
Speaker 1: Labor opposite or the coalition. Labour still wins both ways,
25:18
Speaker 1: but not by much anymore. So we shall see, Michael.
25:22
Speaker 1: But Michael, I got to say it's disappointed One Nation
25:25
Speaker 1: in South Australian leader Cory Bernardi has done the opposite
25:30
Speaker 1: of One Nation's national policy and voted against lifting a
25:33
Speaker 1: ban on fracking for oil and gas, which I find
25:37
Speaker 1: incredible given the fuel crisis and the lessons we should
25:39
Speaker 1: be learning. The Liberals even voted against lifting that ban,
25:43
Speaker 1: and you won't believe this, Michael. But of all the parties,
25:46
Speaker 1: it was Labor that was pushing for fracking. What are
25:50
Speaker 1: the Conservative parties in South Australia doing well?
25:55
Speaker 13: I totally agree with you. And look, we've got two
25:57
Speaker 13: good conservative government too, sorry too good governments in the
26:02
Speaker 13: country at the moment. It's the midst and the Melanascus
26:05
Speaker 13: government in South Australia.
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Speaker 14: They're sensible.
26:07
Speaker 13: I mean South Australia's got all of those uranium resources
26:10
Speaker 13: all of those other resources that it wants to utilize
26:13
Speaker 13: for its economic growth. But look, this brings me to
26:16
Speaker 13: the point about one Nation. You've got everybody jumping on
26:19
Speaker 13: the bandwagon. You know, former Liberal senators that you know
26:22
Speaker 13: couldn't get a seat in the Liberal Party are now
26:24
Speaker 13: lining up to jump on the one nation bandwagon.
26:28
Speaker 14: And you wonder about their policy.
26:29
Speaker 13: Some of those people that are looking at doing that,
26:32
Speaker 13: you know, supported morrison silly policies on net zero.
26:36
Speaker 14: So you know you've got to wonder what's.
26:39
Speaker 13: Going to happen to the conservative side, you know, the
26:42
Speaker 13: center right with this sort of approach.
26:45
Speaker 14: It's crazy, but it shows that.
26:47
Speaker 1: Look, you know you're right, except, of course, Sir Cameron.
26:53
Speaker 1: The Liberals also voted to keep a ban on fracking.
26:57
Speaker 1: I mean, what on earth?
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Speaker 4: It's crazy, isn't I mean, in the middle of a
27:03
Speaker 4: fuel crisis, they're backing, you know, some some sort of greeny,
27:06
Speaker 4: lefty inner city adelaide agenda. I mean, goodness, that is
27:09
Speaker 4: what they're thinking, is there?
27:13
Speaker 1: I don't know either. It's just gosh, if I was
27:16
Speaker 1: just South Australia now I'll be looking at maybe voting
27:18
Speaker 1: labor with that kind of moronic politicking on the on
27:23
Speaker 1: the right, Michael Costa, Camera Milner. Thank you very much
27:26
Speaker 1: to you both. After the break, Rundin, I want to
27:35
Speaker 1: give you a funny insight really into the games that
27:39
Speaker 1: China is playing now. You know, I know that Donald
27:42
Speaker 1: Trump came back from his trip to China where he
27:46
Speaker 1: met the dictator there, the big trip last week, full
27:49
Speaker 1: of praise for the welcome. He god, it was really
27:52
Speaker 1: seemed quite flattered, and he you know, sold this meeting
27:55
Speaker 1: as massive historic. No, I didn't.
28:00
Speaker 9: Really won't be historic from me.
28:05
Speaker 1: That just less than a week later, in flies the
28:09
Speaker 1: Russian president walker of Vladimir Putin, flies into Beijing for
28:14
Speaker 1: a debriefing from his close Chinese ally and he got
28:18
Speaker 1: the same red carpet treatment that Trump got. Putin also
28:22
Speaker 1: got the same formalized handshake with the same positioning as
28:27
Speaker 1: Trump got before. He then got the same honor of
28:32
Speaker 1: inspecting the troops that Trump got, same troops, I believe,
28:37
Speaker 1: even got the same parade again with the same soldiers.
28:41
Speaker 1: And just to make crystal clear, I think that China
28:44
Speaker 1: rated Donald Trump has no better than one of the
28:47
Speaker 1: bloodiest tyrants of the world. And then Putin and Gi
28:51
Speaker 1: walked off together the same route to no doubt talk
28:55
Speaker 1: about what Trump and g had walked off to talk
28:58
Speaker 1: about last week. And I think the message is that
29:02
Speaker 1: Trump must never forget there whatever big show that China
29:05
Speaker 1: puts on for him. China's real ali is Russia, and
29:10
Speaker 1: together those two countries spell danger. But back to the
29:18
Speaker 1: political disaster the Albanese government's facing with this budget. Joe
29:22
Speaker 1: joining me is Rohn, dean edsterer and chief of the
29:23
Speaker 1: Spectator Australia, host of Outsiders every Sunday at nine am
29:27
Speaker 1: and hosts of his own excellent show on Fridays at
29:30
Speaker 1: seven pm. Rowan, Look, I've been an encourageable optimist this
29:37
Speaker 1: whole show, and I've had to be corrected already. It
29:40
Speaker 1: feels this week that I heard something snap, you know,
29:44
Speaker 1: and it's given me some hope. And I don't just
29:48
Speaker 1: mean you know, Albanizer can now lose the next election
29:50
Speaker 1: after winning the last and a massive landslide. I like
29:53
Speaker 1: that so many young Australians have come out to protest
29:57
Speaker 1: that they do want incentives to stay there for building
30:01
Speaker 1: their own business. You know, people like these This business
30:05
Speaker 1: is all we have and you know, like we want
30:08
Speaker 1: to crowd a future for our own families.
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Speaker 15: The new reforms to just a kick in the guts.
30:13
Speaker 12: Just feel that the harder you work and the more
30:17
Speaker 12: that you put into your business, the more that you
30:18
Speaker 12: get taxed.
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Speaker 13: Because if we tax risk taking in the same way
30:21
Speaker 13: that we tax ordinary income, then we're left with the
30:23
Speaker 13: question why take the risk in the first place.
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Speaker 16: I'm a small business owner. I employed fifty people at
30:27
Speaker 16: the moment across regional and remote communities throughout Australia, and
30:32
Speaker 16: I'm just exhausted by not being supported by the government,
30:36
Speaker 16: Like that's what it feels like constantly.
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Speaker 1: Roan, how do you read that?
30:42
Speaker 15: I think there were great, great selection of individuals there,
30:45
Speaker 15: and I'm sure that there's millions of young Australians out
30:49
Speaker 15: there who you write something snapped. What snapped is that
30:53
Speaker 15: kind of umbilical cord between the younger generation and the
30:57
Speaker 15: Labor Party, which that local cord is the result of
31:02
Speaker 15: education corrupted, in my opinion, education both through school and university,
31:06
Speaker 15: where they were taught that the Labor Party was their
31:09
Speaker 15: natural friend and their natural future, and they've now learned
31:12
Speaker 15: as the hard way that labor will destroy their future.
31:16
Speaker 15: And look every young Australian from all walks of life
31:21
Speaker 15: has heard their parents talking about, well, you know, I
31:24
Speaker 15: didn't have much, but we bought this property, or we
31:28
Speaker 15: had a flat and we rented that out and then
31:30
Speaker 15: we got our own place, or we started a business,
31:33
Speaker 15: we ran this, and we did for a while. Every
31:35
Speaker 15: young Australian has looked forward to the day they could
31:38
Speaker 15: make those choices and lived that life for themselves. The
31:42
Speaker 15: Labor Party just listened to the purple headed income poops
31:46
Speaker 15: who worked for them in the Ministry of Whatever, eating
31:48
Speaker 15: their kale pets in Canberra. But out in the real world,
31:51
Speaker 15: every young Australian is hoping to live the Australian dream.
31:54
Speaker 15: And the Australian dream involves now.
31:56
Speaker 1: But this is the thing that rowan what you just said.
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Speaker 1: But what you just said, you see, this is what
32:03
Speaker 1: I perhaps underrated. You may have seen it, but I
32:07
Speaker 1: underrated it, and I think certainly the federal government did.
32:12
Speaker 1: You might recall that Joe Hockey when he gave his
32:15
Speaker 1: very unpopular budget for the Aber government. You know, I
32:18
Speaker 1: was talking about leaners and lifters and wanted to shift
32:22
Speaker 1: you know, so much help from the leaners to those
32:24
Speaker 1: that lifted the economy and it got smash for it, ridiculed,
32:29
Speaker 1: eventually dumped, you know, or whatever. But here we see
32:34
Speaker 1: a revolt of the lifters. The lifters are having there
32:38
Speaker 1: say now absolutely.
32:40
Speaker 15: And if you think back to that budget, the image
32:43
Speaker 15: that destroyed the Abbott government unfairly was the image of
32:47
Speaker 15: Joe Hockey and Mattis Corman sitting on the on some
32:51
Speaker 15: balconyside palm house speaking cigars, like a couple of characters
32:55
Speaker 15: out of the monopoly board or something. And this cemented
32:58
Speaker 15: the image of the Tories, if you like, the Conservatives,
33:01
Speaker 15: as these kind of big wheeling capitalists who didn't look
33:03
Speaker 15: after the small business person, the person with aspiration and hope,
33:09
Speaker 15: and it played into the entire image of class warfare.
33:11
Speaker 15: But what we've seen over the last well really since
33:13
Speaker 15: the election, is the Labor Party are now showing their
33:16
Speaker 15: true colors. It's not the big smoking cigars. It's the roots,
33:20
Speaker 15: the ripping off the roads. It's the I'm the president
33:24
Speaker 15: of Kopper twenty six. I've got my own department to
33:27
Speaker 15: save the world. It's the where so to say you,
33:31
Speaker 15: it's this arrogance. And if you recall many people yourself included,
33:36
Speaker 15: after the landslide. So called landslide victory that Albanesi had
33:41
Speaker 15: was that the one thing that could destroy the Labor
33:44
Speaker 15: Party or the Albanese government would be hubris, but no
33:47
Speaker 15: one really defined what hubris was. Well, we've seen in
33:50
Speaker 15: the last week what hubris is, and hubris is a
33:54
Speaker 15: Labor Party that are so confident in their socialist fantasies
34:00
Speaker 15: about you know, the evil trusts and the evil capital
34:05
Speaker 15: gains tax and the evil negative getting so confident in
34:07
Speaker 15: that undergraduate student mentality of theirs that they've gone out
34:12
Speaker 15: merrily lied many, many times, fifty times to the Australian
34:16
Speaker 15: people and then turned around and go gone, well, it
34:19
Speaker 15: doesn't matter if we lied, We've just changed our position.
34:22
Speaker 15: And the Australian people are not stupid and they're just
34:26
Speaker 15: sitting back.
34:27
Speaker 1: This mob are unbelievable.
34:30
Speaker 15: So I will I would predict that the pain that
34:33
Speaker 15: the Abbott government felt after the twenty fourteen budget ain't
34:36
Speaker 15: nothing compared to the pain that the Albanezi government is
34:39
Speaker 15: going to go in over the next.
34:40
Speaker 1: Totally agree with you. Well, every day I think it's bad,
34:44
Speaker 1: and then it gets worse. I have to say, sure,
34:46
Speaker 1: put a lift in the step of Angus Taylor, the
34:49
Speaker 1: opposition leader.
34:50
Speaker 17: Here he is today, and what they're planning to do
34:53
Speaker 17: now is going to do exactly that, replace small business
34:56
Speaker 17: with big government. Only this government could be so argon
35:00
Speaker 17: and so he could so badly misunderstand this country as
35:05
Speaker 17: to think that that's a good idea.
35:09
Speaker 1: Ron I've got grief from one of Angus Taylor's friends
35:13
Speaker 1: for saying the other day I thought he was a
35:15
Speaker 1: dead man walking. I was too hard on him. But
35:18
Speaker 1: put that to one side. Is Taylor making you start
35:21
Speaker 1: to think that he could could actually be prime minister
35:24
Speaker 1: looking a certain light, if you hold him up like this,
35:27
Speaker 1: he could be.
35:29
Speaker 15: I was not on board with your dead man walking analogy.
35:35
Speaker 15: I've thought all along he could be. He will be
35:38
Speaker 15: prime minister. He has all the potential. But also so
35:42
Speaker 15: too is the person standing next to Matt Canavan, and
35:45
Speaker 15: so does the other person in the room metaphorically, Pauline Hanson.
35:50
Speaker 15: The three of them all have the ability to be
35:53
Speaker 15: the prime minister. What is now happening is the Labor
35:58
Speaker 15: Party is destroying itself. It is up to the conservative
36:01
Speaker 15: forces on the Conservative side to find.
36:04
Speaker 14: A way to work together.
36:05
Speaker 15: The three of them can guarantee that one of them
36:09
Speaker 15: becomes prime minister. But it will only happen if they
36:13
Speaker 15: turn on each other and keep fighting each other. As
36:15
Speaker 15: we saw and Farah, none of them will be prime minister.
36:18
Speaker 15: So they've got to be hard headed. They've got to
36:21
Speaker 15: sit down in the room and go Okay. The Albanizi
36:24
Speaker 15: government is on the ropes. We now have to destroy it.
36:27
Speaker 15: The Taylor, Canavan and Hansen working together can destroy this government,
36:33
Speaker 15: whether it's as loose as preference swaps, which is absolutely
36:36
Speaker 15: cru or some more formal arrangement. They have to do
36:40
Speaker 15: that otherwise the handing labor back into government on a plate.
36:45
Speaker 1: I have three words to say to you, the liberal
36:49
Speaker 1: left that might be the fly in that ointment of
36:52
Speaker 1: working the real problem faces Absolutely Yeah, Rowandine, thank you
36:59
Speaker 1: so much indeed for your time. Really appreciate it. I
37:02
Speaker 1: like that. I'll finish on that where you say I
37:04
Speaker 1: was right. I'm just going to take that as a
37:06
Speaker 1: blanket endorsement. After the break, Pauline Hanson's big move no
37:11
Speaker 1: wonder the Nationals in mat Canavan hit back. Plus the
37:14
Speaker 1: Aboriginal Activisty says her counsel shouldn't include an Australian flag
37:18
Speaker 1: on its letterhead. Now, there were reports today that One
37:25
Speaker 1: Nation leader Pauline Hansen was considering moving her office to
37:29
Speaker 1: Yapoon in central Queensland ahead of possibly running for the
37:33
Speaker 1: lower House seat there of Capricornia. And it makes sense
37:37
Speaker 1: because Hanson really does need to find herself a lower
37:40
Speaker 1: House seat instead of keeping her Senate one if she
37:44
Speaker 1: seriously wants to become Prime minister. But it now turns
37:48
Speaker 1: out which she's not actually moving her offers, but she's
37:50
Speaker 1: trying to get an extra one in Yapoon. Let's say
37:54
Speaker 1: she isn't ruling out running for Capricornia. Here she is
37:56
Speaker 1: with Chris Kenny this afternoon.
37:58
Speaker 11: I'm contemplating standing for lower House seat and I haven't
38:01
Speaker 11: made that determination as yet, and I'm not going to
38:04
Speaker 11: say what I'm doing at this stage, so we'll see
38:08
Speaker 11: what happens.
38:11
Speaker 1: Now, if it happens, that could be a move that
38:14
Speaker 1: really hurts the Nationals and it's leader Matt Canavan. That's
38:18
Speaker 1: because Capricornia is held by the Nationals Michelle Landry by
38:22
Speaker 1: five point eight percent. But Matt Canavan, who's her leader,
38:27
Speaker 1: she might quit. He lives in that area, supposedly hopes
38:32
Speaker 1: to take over that seat from her, and if Hansen
38:35
Speaker 1: does run there as well, that could spell curtains for
38:39
Speaker 1: his career. So Canavan today attacked.
38:43
Speaker 14: The question's going to be asked is where you've been?
38:45
Speaker 18: Boy? If she's serious about representing CQ, why has she
38:49
Speaker 18: lived down here? Maybe we know the answer now to
38:51
Speaker 18: why she needed a plane because she wants to be
38:53
Speaker 18: a fly and flyout representative, a BIPO representative, potential Queensly.
38:58
Speaker 14: I moved my entire family up there.
39:00
Speaker 1: I lived there, jo earning me gem and Tonini columnists
39:05
Speaker 1: and communications consultant, and carolinea Russo commentator and president of
39:10
Speaker 1: the West Australian Liberals. Jemma, is this all really happening?
39:14
Speaker 1: I sometimes wonder this is amazing handsome pushing to be
39:18
Speaker 1: the next prime minister, the Liberal Party coming third in
39:21
Speaker 1: the polls, the Albanizi government now down to twenty eight percent.
39:26
Speaker 1: Explain this to us.
39:28
Speaker 10: Oh, I can't explain any of it other than I
39:31
Speaker 10: suspect the best sort of like step back and have
39:33
Speaker 10: a look. And the arrogance I suppose of the current
39:38
Speaker 10: government was always.
39:39
Speaker 14: Going to be.
39:39
Speaker 7: It's undoing.
39:40
Speaker 10: It was just a question of when. So that kind
39:42
Speaker 10: of potentially speaks to why it's fortunes have fallen. But
39:46
Speaker 10: in terms of the reshaping of the Australian political landscape, well,
39:52
Speaker 10: I don't know, Andrew. We get what we pay for,
39:53
Speaker 10: right and I think as an electorate, if I can
39:56
Speaker 10: speak to the elector, of course I'm a.
39:57
Speaker 12: Part of that.
39:58
Speaker 10: We've been a little bit lazy in a sleep at
40:01
Speaker 10: the wheel for the last decade and we've woken up
40:03
Speaker 10: with a dirty, great, big slap across the head with
40:05
Speaker 10: a wet, stinky mullet in the last week since the budget.
40:09
Speaker 10: What's happening. What is happening is a direct result of
40:12
Speaker 10: all of these things in context. So you know, does
40:15
Speaker 10: Pauline Hanson go for a lower House seat? Well, obviously
40:18
Speaker 10: if she's genuinely wanting to have a crack at being
40:21
Speaker 10: Prime Minister. And I can't believe I'm saying that in
40:22
Speaker 10: a sentence she would have to find a lower House seat.
40:25
Speaker 10: But I think I think there's a lot of water
40:27
Speaker 10: under the bridge still and we shall certainly see how
40:33
Speaker 10: all of that tumbles out.
40:36
Speaker 1: Carolyn, you've obviously had to deal with this very closely
40:41
Speaker 1: and distressingly in Western Australia. You've had plenty of time
40:44
Speaker 1: to think this through. How do you interpret what's going on? Well,
40:49
Speaker 1: you never really know, right.
40:51
Speaker 12: I mean, from the point of view that a senator
40:53
Speaker 12: is taking a regional office, I think that's fabulous, and
40:58
Speaker 12: I think all senators who have an office in the
41:01
Speaker 12: city should have one in the regions. I grew up
41:03
Speaker 12: four hundred kilometers out of Perthin and there's not necessarily
41:07
Speaker 12: a local MP close by, So I encourage senators more
41:11
Speaker 12: broadly to do it. I mean, she wants to run
41:14
Speaker 12: for a lower House seat, she can, like anyone can,
41:18
Speaker 12: and like anyone who wants to become prime minister. You know,
41:21
Speaker 12: she'll need to win seventy six seats. That's what you
41:24
Speaker 12: need to do to become prime minister. But you know,
41:28
Speaker 12: you talk about whether it's her or Matt Canavan or whatever.
41:31
Speaker 12: I mean, Matt is a fierce campaigner. Matt has got
41:34
Speaker 12: the intellectual grunt, and he is an excellent communicator, and
41:39
Speaker 12: I just remember how fabulous he was during the twenty
41:42
Speaker 12: nineteen campaign. So if anything, this sort of, this sort
41:46
Speaker 12: of discussion I think will involved in Matt more than
41:49
Speaker 12: scare him off.
41:50
Speaker 10: And he's also a really decent blow Hello, Yeah.
41:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is a decent bloke and you know, I
41:57
Speaker 1: like him a lot. This has has been a commentator
42:00
Speaker 1: on the show for yoonks. Now I respect him greatly.
42:04
Speaker 1: I do wonder Caroline Carolina, Jemma, Jemma. We have a
42:10
Speaker 1: situation where you know, Roan was saying, if only they
42:14
Speaker 1: could cooperate more than three conservative parties, because if you
42:16
Speaker 1: add all the votes up, you know they've almost got
42:19
Speaker 1: a majority right there. But the point here is really
42:23
Speaker 1: that one nation needs to knock out the liberals first.
42:27
Speaker 1: It's like, go reform in Britain, knock out the conservative
42:30
Speaker 1: opponents first. There you go for the big guns on
42:34
Speaker 1: the other side. Unfortunately, I think that's the way it's
42:37
Speaker 1: going to have to work out, isn't it.
42:39
Speaker 10: Look I'm not the number whisperer. My learned friend is
42:42
Speaker 10: the number whisper or she has more of an understanding
42:44
Speaker 10: of the machinations of that sort of thing. I don't
42:47
Speaker 10: know about that necessarily, and I don't think there's definitely
42:51
Speaker 10: instruction from the British scenario for us and on that.
42:54
Speaker 10: If I was Anthony Albanezi, I would be I would
42:58
Speaker 10: be very very nervous because the fate of Keir Starmer,
43:01
Speaker 10: in my view is the fate of Anthony Albanesi. It's
43:03
Speaker 10: just wear a little bit behind the timeline there. But
43:06
Speaker 10: in terms of the message broadly about the key Conservative
43:12
Speaker 10: parties forces, whatever you want to call them, having to
43:15
Speaker 10: put purpose over preference for the good of the country,
43:17
Speaker 10: I want one hundred percent subscribe to that view. What
43:21
Speaker 10: that looks like in practicality, I'm not entirely sure. I've
43:24
Speaker 10: never sought to be a politician, Andrew, I've never been interested.
43:28
Speaker 10: I've never even imagined, you know, what it might take
43:31
Speaker 10: to be in parliament, let alone to consider myself the
43:33
Speaker 10: Prime minister. Could you imagine, though me being Prime minister?
43:36
Speaker 10: Everyone would have a dog, everyone would be able to
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Speaker 10: have horse riding lessons, all of the good stuff. But no,
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Speaker 10: I joke socided.
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Speaker 1: For heaven's sake, jem My phone's going to explode all
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Speaker 1: that I have to responsive. You are saying, yes, I
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Speaker 1: love Jemmy too. Yeah, yeah, it'd be great. Please don't
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Speaker 1: do that. You don't want that.
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Speaker 10: People, you really don't know. But more broadly, they do.
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Speaker 10: They need to consider how they are going to for
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Speaker 10: the good of the nation work together.
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Speaker 1: Whatever that looks like But here's the thing, of course, Caroline,
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Speaker 1: that the difference is in Britain, you don't have preferential voting.
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Speaker 1: In reform doesn't need anyone's preferences. It can win a
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Speaker 1: seat with you know, thirty percent of the vote. That
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Speaker 1: doesn't apply here. So it really will be a fight
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Speaker 1: to their death, won't it first on the conservative side
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Speaker 1: before labor gets its karma?
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Speaker 12: Well, and that there is the really interesting thing is
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Speaker 12: what is the impact of compulsory preferential voting. Because we've
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Speaker 12: got compulsory voting as well, what is the impact of
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Speaker 12: that as a moderating factor. So we know that reform
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Speaker 12: took a chunk out of the Tories, but they are
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Speaker 12: now taking a much bigger chunk out of labor. And
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Speaker 12: ultimately where.
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Speaker 15: Does that go.
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Speaker 12: You know, yes, there is a part of the one
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Speaker 12: nation voter base that is very conservative, but there's also
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Speaker 12: a lot of that old right wing labor, the old
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Speaker 12: Catholic labor, which is which is quite fond of the
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Speaker 12: unions and big government, which is which is really quite
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Speaker 12: different to the Liberal Party. So again, it's not one
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Speaker 12: of those things where you can broad brush right across
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Speaker 12: the country. I think there'll be particular impacts in particular places,
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Speaker 12: and I think, you know, if I was, you know,
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Speaker 12: for labor for example, places like the Hunter and places
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Speaker 12: like western Melbourne. And there are a few around where
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Speaker 12: there's those big industrial working class bases where I don't
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Speaker 12: think that they're going to fare any better than whatever
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Speaker 12: the challenge is facing the Liberal Party, and we know
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Speaker 12: there is one, and it will be dealt with.
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Speaker 1: We'll face that the fascinating problem in the next few months.
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Speaker 1: I think, gem look, let me just send the show
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Speaker 1: like I've been starting it in an optimistic mood about
45:57
Speaker 1: this shift that I keep claiming to see that in fact,
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Speaker 1: we've now got counselors in Aubury on the Murray River
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Speaker 1: trying on Monday to say hang on. From now on,
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Speaker 1: the Council should include on its letters not just the
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Speaker 1: Aboriginal Torres Strait flags that it prints there, but the
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Speaker 1: Australian flag that represents all of us. The bad news, though,
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Speaker 1: of course, is that this move was put on hold
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Speaker 1: after this woman who not only identifies as Aboriginal but
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Speaker 1: even spoke on behalf of the Council's Aboraginal Advisory Committee
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Speaker 1: said the Australian flag was not inclusive and in fact
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Speaker 1: was offensive to Aboriginal people because the remote of them
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Speaker 1: a colonization and averages supposedly being treated as flora and fauna.
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Speaker 1: So jem it strikes me there's a lot more work
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Speaker 1: to reclaim our country.
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Speaker 10: I would humbly suggest that this person is not representative.
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Speaker 10: She's not representative of most.
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Speaker 1: Indiviridus Herefore, where you're going with that, well.
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Speaker 15: No, I mean it.
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Speaker 10: I mean it like, I just don't see that or
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Speaker 10: read that view at all in any measure of frequency
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Speaker 10: at all. You know, the Australian flag is the flag
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Speaker 10: of this nation, and it's a wonderful flag. And our
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Speaker 10: past isn't perfect, but we needn't always look at our
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Speaker 10: past with such a black you know, a black cloud
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Speaker 10: over our head, and such a negative mentality. This is
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Speaker 10: a great country and I, for one, am very blessed
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Speaker 10: to call it home.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Carolyn, the other thing is I am heartily
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Speaker 1: sick of people who essentially a contribution to conversation is
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Speaker 1: speaking as an Aborigine, or speaking as a hyphenated Australian,
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Speaker 1: or speaking as a member of some supposedly persecuted minority,
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Speaker 1: or speaking can't we just speak as Australians.
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Speaker 12: Oh absolutely. And the minute that you need to put
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Speaker 12: your identity first as a general rule, you've lost the
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Speaker 12: argument at that point because your argument should be able
47:55
Speaker 12: to stand up regardless of who the person is and
47:59
Speaker 12: where it's applied. If you want equality before the law
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Speaker 12: or any of those sorts of things, your whatever intrinsic
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Speaker 12: identity you have should actually be irrelevant, so that there
48:11
Speaker 12: always is always the first red flag. But look, the
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Speaker 12: one thing that I would say, Andrew is we have
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Speaker 12: seen this sort of behavior received over time, and it's
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Speaker 12: going to receive but it's not going to be linear.
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Speaker 12: These cultural shifts are never linear. There's always aberrations up
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Speaker 12: and down.
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Speaker 1: So I think this hit you're going to be there
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Speaker 1: because on that moment of hope, I'm going to end
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Speaker 1: the show because that's what I want, that hope. Germantalini, Carolyndarusso,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much to you both. Up next Sherry Markson.
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Speaker 1: Good Night