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Mets Make a Move · The 3-0 Take

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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take where we talk
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  all things Major League Baseball.
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  Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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  It all starts right now. Welcome back to the Three O Take
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  presented by Sea Kick. This episode 493.
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  I'll be your host, Kyle Corden. I'm here with my Co host Nate
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  Reyes. Nate.
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  How? How did you, How did you fit
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  into your office today? How did you squeeze in through
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  the door? Because I had to go remove the
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  hinges off the door for that extra couple inches.
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  Suck it in a little bit. Yeah.
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  Slide. Yeah, it was.
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  Today was just rough, man. And shout out to all the folks
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  out there who can, who can empathize, sympathize, whatever
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  the word is with us. You know, You know what today
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  was like today? Today was a grind.
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  Today sucked. Well, I mean, I hope it didn't
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  suck for you if you're listening or watching, but just they
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  should have made this a holiday too.
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  Like just give us like that bonus day after the Thanksgiving
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  break. Like let us let's collect
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  ourselves. How many did you get?
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  A lot of automated emails, like saying they're out of the office
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  today. I had a decent amount of those
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  today and I'm like, you know, shame, shame on my company for
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  not doing that. Well, driving into work, the
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  traffic was little to none. So I'm like these people in this
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  area, for some reason, I guess have just decided to extend
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  their Thanksgiving. They've taken upon themselves to
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  extend their break because there was nobody out today.
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  So don't know what that was all about.
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  Genius. There's a few there that maybe
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  we get a petition going on. A few different things.
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  I do think there there was like this perfect plan that came out.
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  I know this is a baseball podcast, crazy that I'm talking
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  about football, but there's a petition that came out that was
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  like if they had like an extra week or like remove one pre
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  season week out of the schedule. It lines up perfectly for it to
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  be like the Super Bowl to be the second week in February, which
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  lines up with a Monday being a holiday and then bang, you got
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  your Monday off following a Super Bowl.
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  I think that it that should be like a standard that Monday
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  after Thanksgiving. I think day after Christmas
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  should for sure be a holiday. Give me Christmas Eve, Christmas
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  and a day to enjoy my gifts, you know.
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  Exactly. What if I have some awesome toys
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  to play with? You know, think about the kids.
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  Go get the batteries for the toys Christmas Day.
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  I'd go get them the day after. Think about the kids.
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  This isn't about us. It's not about us. 30 something.
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  Think about the kids. I don't get toys anymore.
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  Unbelievable. We actually, we actually have
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  officially gone. No, no gifts.
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  We've sent that announcement out to the fam.
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  No gifts. Anybody.
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  Don't get us anything. We're not getting you anything.
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  Yeah, Wow, it's nice. I think we're going to.
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  I think we're going to adopt A family, get them some gifts.
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  Look at you. And and just, you know, make
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  that day what it's what it should be.
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  You know, you're absolutely right.
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  So I guess I'm off the hook then.
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  I'm not sending anything. Don't send me anything, guy.
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  I'm not sending you anything. Don't send me anything.
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  That was from the. Podcast account, that's a whole
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  different. That's a whole different story.
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  Yeah. I mean, that's just, I mean that
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  the podcast is paying for it at that point.
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  Yeah, no. Podcast bonus.
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  I was definitely planning to send you something but may have
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  to talk. About this, my bad, I forgot I
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  forgot to include you into that announcement.
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  Yeah, all good, All good. Speaking of gifts, the Dodgers
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  just keep on adding to their haul.
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  They're keeping Tom, Tommy Edmond around.
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  And I know if you're listening to this, we go, oh, this
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  happened days ago. We know we haven't recorded
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  since then, so. Crazy.
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  There's something going on. Yeah, I was.
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  Just like giving thanks. This big holiday, be thankful
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  we're even talking about it at this point.
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  Keeping Kim Tommy Edmond around on A5 year $74 million contract
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  extension that'll keep him around through 2029 Do we like
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  this deal? I'm a big Tommy Edmond guy.
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  We I've. We've been on the Tommy Edmond
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  train for a while. We've been on the Tommy Edmond
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  train a while. Yeah.
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  And it, it you could say that it, it caught a little bit more
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  steam with his, his performance in the postseason.
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  But the let the record show. Let it show.
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  That we were. We were Tommy Edmond guys before
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  it was cool. Like this move for Tommy.
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  Like this move for the Dodgers? He's a no brainer.
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  He's a no brainer, I think. I think it's a very solid
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  realization of what Tommy Edmond is.
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  I don't think we can go overboard and just sit here and
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  say he deserves a ton of money based on what he did this post
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  season, although he played great.
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  Let's let's reel it in and take some of that recency bias out of
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  it and understand, you know, what had a little bit of an
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  injury passed can kind of blend in to fill in a gap, but not
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  necessarily a necessary piece for this roster.
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  So this is this is good. Tommy Edmund, if you're Tommy,
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  you're like, you know what? I'll take five years of
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  guarantee. That sounds fantastic.
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  With a six year club option. So there's a lot going on here
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  that I like. The Dodgers seem to just be
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  redefining how contracts are being done.
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  And if you're a hater, anybody can do this.
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  Every team can do this. It's an option.
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  I don't think teams know this. I don't think they do I.
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  Don't know how many more moves it's going to take on behalf of
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  the Los Angeles Dodgers for the rest of Major League Baseball to
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  realize, oh, like this is legal. The Dodgers aren't committing a
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  crime in broad daylight by deferring these contracts.
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  Like, we can do this, too. I don't know why why these teams
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  have have yet to realize that. Yep, Yep.
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  So I it's almost like the pairing of a signing bonus with
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  a deferment really makes a player pretty happy, you know
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  what I mean? Like it keeps them happy.
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  It does. It's a win win.
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  It keeps the roster, it keeps the salary like at at a
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  reasonable number for the most part.
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  The deferment, hey, we're not going to get you that money
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  right now because what is it, 25,000,000 deferred over 10
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  years? About a third, yeah, Give or
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  take 25, you got this $17 million signing bonus.
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  About 1/3. I don't remember what the actual
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  number was, but. Give or take 25, I'm on spot
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  track. It's saying 25,000,000 is
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  deferred at two and a half million over 10 years, five
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  years after the contract ends, which is presumably retirement
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  age for Tommy. And you get that 17,000,000, you
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  know, as as the bone. It's this is just it's a win
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  win. It's a win win for a player who
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  I think fits in perfectly. A little bit of a safety net for
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  Mookie. If the whole shortstop thing.
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  Are we going to try that again? We are going to try it again.
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  We're telling free agents we're trying it again because we don't
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  need you that much. I don't know, but it is a little
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  bit of a safety net and. Is it is it like heresy to say
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  that this is like a, a new and improved Chris Taylor?
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  Oh, yeah. Like, I mean, they, they love
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  their Chris Taylor types. And this is further evidence
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  that that's the case. And that's that's the case
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  moving. Forward.
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  This is a move dude. Like I.
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  This is what I think every team needs.
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  Every team needs a Tommy Edmond. But there aren't that many Tommy
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  Edmonds. Around, that's the key, that's
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  the key. And and boys and girls, it still
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  pays to play really good defense, hit the ball line to
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  line, good ABS, good base running.
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  And just be a gamer, like just. Be a gamer.
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  That's it. You don't got to be.
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  Look, I'd love for everybody to be a superstar, but if
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  everybody's a superstar, nobody's a superstar.
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  There's only so many Mookie Betts, there's only so many
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  Freddie Freeman's, there's only so many Shohei Otani's.
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  There's only one show, Hitani. There's only so many of the guys
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  that are the headliners. Somebody's got to get this job.
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  Somebody's got to be utility man.
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  Somebody's got to hit 7th. Somebody's got to be, you know,
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  getting knocked in scoring from first, right?
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  Why not you? Somebody's got to get some of
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  these lower level contracts. Why not you?
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  It pays. I mean lower level it is.
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  I'll gladly take a lower level contract.
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  It's 74 million with a sure will $17.00 million or $17 million
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  signing bonus. I'll gladly take that.
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  Sure will, Sure will. And you know, the thing about
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  Tommy, though, is he is one of the few in baseball that can
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  actually fill out the title, the moniker, the role of super
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  utility man that gets thrown up for some reason.
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  I don't know what it is with reporters and journalists, you
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  know, habit of of just tossing that around like it's nothing.
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  Like not everybody. Just because you can play
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  multiple positions doesn't make you a super utility man.
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  You have to be able to play them and play them somewhat similarly
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  in terms of the the output, in terms, in terms of the
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  excellence that you're going to provide at that position.
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  And Tommy Edmond can bounce around and give you that type of
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  output just about probably anywhere you'd ask him to play.
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  Well, how do you define super utility?
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  What's that about for you? Well, I mean, you have to play
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  for me, you got to play infield outfield, but you also have to
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  be able to play multiple within each.
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  You don't have to, I mean, you don't have to play literally
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  like you don't have to play first, second, third, short,
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  left, center right in order to be a, a super utility man.
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  But in, in, in a case like Tommy Edmund or, or fill in the blank
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  of whoever else we think fits that role.
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  You got to be able to play a couple, maybe a couple middle
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  infield spots and maybe a couple outfield spots and, and do it
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  fairly well. Otherwise you're just a utility
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  guy. I agree.
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  I think that's the key. I'm not saying you had to go out
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  there and win the utility Gold Glove, but I I would categorize
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  super utility as as you're playing, no offense the other
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  positions, but if you're playing shortstop percenter plus, you
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  know, if you had other things going on that checks that box
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  for me, I will call you super utility.
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  You know, I don't, I don't think you see a ton of I I would throw
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  catcher into that. If that ever becomes a thing,
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  it's not really a thing. You're either a catcher, catcher
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  or backup catcher or occasionally slotting at first
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  base. I think if that ever was a day
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  where you're like, I'm, I'm lacing it up behind the dish and
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  then the next day I'm in center, then you want to throw it back
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  to middle school Nate days. Then you can call yourself super
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  utility for sure. But realistically, yeah, I think
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  if shortstop or center field are in one of your positions that
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  you're playing, I won't even say weekly, I'll say bi weekly.
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  Chalk it up for super utility. Otherwise you're just utility.
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  No offense. Somebody's got to have that role
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  too. Somebody's got to play first and
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  3rd, sneak in at left field, whatever it is.
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  But yeah, super utility, that's kind of like, you know, where we
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  have that definition of ace versus #1 starter.
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  It's only so many aces in the planet.
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  Plenty of #1 starters. Somebody's got to be a number
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  one. There's utility and then there's
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  super utility. Tommy Edmund, healthy super
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  utility. Speaking of aces, Frankie Montes
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  is not one of those. But.
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  Very good. He was signed by the New York
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  Mets in a move that I don't want to say shocked a lot of people.
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  But I would venture to say in the midst of the Juan Soto
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  sweepstakes that we find ourselves in the middle of, I
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  would venture to say that the text alerts, the text
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  notifications that were coming through.
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  What was it just the other day with Mets and sign?
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  Yeah, I think the name that most people thought was about the OR
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  Mets fans at least were hoping that followed were would be Juan
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  Soto. Mets signed Juan Soto.
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  The Mets did not sign Juan Soto. They signed Frankie Montas.
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  And you know, would I have gone after maybe Shawn Manaya over
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  Frankie Montas? Maybe.
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  Maybe. What was the deal for?
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  Two years, 34 million. Don't quote me on this, but I
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  want to say, I want to say trade rumors had impegged at like 222.
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  Yeah, 2/22 and he goes out and and snags a $34 million contract
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  over two years. I don't get it.
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  Look, I'm not I'm not here to be a hater.
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  Get your money. If you can get signed, get
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  signed. I'm trying to find where I'm
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  seeing 17 a year. I mean, 150 innings last year,
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  OK, 484 ERA, OK, A471 FIP and 89 ERA plus.
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  This is what $17 million a year is Now I got there's a lot of
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  names I'm looking at this list. There's a lot of names I would
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  take over this. There's a lot of names that I'd
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  be like, here's an extra year. I was literally just about to
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  say, like, heck, take the extra year.
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  Yeah, I. I'm with you.
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  You know, I, I just, I can't connect these dots.
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  I'm sorry. It's 32.
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  I mean, there are a few guys that I think mass equals gas,
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  but it seems like he just gets heavier every year.
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  I don't know man. Well, because David Stearns was
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  in Milwaukee, right? Or how, how long has he been
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  with, with the Mets? Because I thought I saw that
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  there was a connection there between Montas and Stearns and
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  how this is like his his reclamation project, if you
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  will. But I may have misread that
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  somewhere. Why am I forgetting where David
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  Stearns came from? Like you're telling me you're
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  not willing with the upside? You're not willing to take a
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  risk on a Shane Bieber? Brewers in 2023. 17 a year, you
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  know? Yeah, yeah.
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  Like if you're the Mets, Frankie Montas is up for grabs.
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  If you don't sign him, he's up for grabs at the deadline more
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  likely than not, and you're not committing that much money.
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  I this is weird. This is weird.
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  I don't like this. There's a lot of names.
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  I would take over a lot of names.
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  What is are there any of these free agent names that are
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  projected in the similar 2-3 year deal hovering around 15 to
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  20 million? I bet there's a lot.
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  I bet there's quite a few guys in that in that club.
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  I mean, I, I, I just don't see it.
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  I would have definitely brought back Manaya.
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  He's he's pegged at 360. Yeah.
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  Like if that's an extra year, you know what I'm saying?
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  Like, fine. Like, I feel like he kind of
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  earned that for you. Cocooch is off the books.
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  Severino's pegged at 3:51. Evaldi's 244.
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  I would have done that all day. All day.
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  And. That would have been the move.
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  For sure. 244 for Ivaldi instead of 234.
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  Yeah, we keep hearing about about this pocketbook in New
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  York or in Queens. Show it, Spend the extra 10 and
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  go get Nate Ivaldi. Yeah, please.
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  Please. Well, don't, because we need him
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  in Boston, but you get my point. Yeah, I just, this is kind of a
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  head scratcher for me. And I'm again, like if you're,
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  if you're a Frankie Montas fan, you know, I apologize.
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  I'm not, I'm not trying to be mean.
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  I'm not trying to come down on the guy.
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  I don't he, he doesn't really come across the radar very often
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  for me. I just, I'm, I'm struggling to
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  see like where did the 9 to $12 million AAV contracts just not
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  exist anymore? Because that this to me is like
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  that all day. 2 years 18 would have been like OK right, no big
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  deal. And to your point about, you
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  know, sort of the market it it, it sort of begs the question
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  like, OK, so then what does this mean for guys like Flaherty,
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  Freed, Burns, Ivaldi, guys like that?
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  I mean it's. Got to go up.
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  It's got to be in the 20s now like a solid.
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  I don't, I don't understand after we saw what happened last
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  year and maybe even the year before that in terms of the
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  market and the and and how it was handled in the offseason.
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  I I wouldn't have expected there to be these overpays that we're
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  seeing already, especially with just these middle tier arms that
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  are nothing more than a middle to back end option for you.
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  Yeah. I just, I mean, good for the
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  players, like, you know, it's going to drive the market up for
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  those guys, but it just seems a little inflated.
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  I, I, I honestly don't know. I just don't know Matthew Boyd,
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  another guy sort of in that same vein.
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  I'm not going to, I'm not going to speak I'll of of Matthew Boyd
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  because he he certainly showed out when he came back from
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  injury last year. But.
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  Yeah. A2 year, $29 million contract
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  for the Chicago Cubs. Two year, 29, two years. 29 to.
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  Me like again, this is still inflated and nothing against
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  Matthew Boyd, but like you're telling me, you're telling me
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  you had to get them now, you had to get them at that price.
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  You're telling me that's a name that isn't available in a month
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  for eight to 10 million less? I mean, that's just the nature
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  of the like the the nature of the beast, right?
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  Like if you wait, if we wait and wait and wait on guys like I
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  mentioned Burns Freed and the light and pre.
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  I mean, previously Snell, but Snell's now off the board.
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  But, and, and we've talked about it.
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  We talked about it shortly after the offseason started.
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  Once these names start dropping, you're going to have these teams
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  are going to have to pivot and especially A-Team.
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  Well, the Mets would have been an example.
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  But these teams, if, if they miss out on the guys that
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  they're after, they're going to pivot and they're going to bully
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  their way through that process because they have the money and
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  they can spend. But because of that, like, am I
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  crazy for thinking that the price would go up?
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  Because they're, I mean, that's just supply and demand, right?
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  Like a guy like Matthew Boyd. Boyd, if you waited for for free
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  to fall, for Burns to fall and then you're looking around,
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  you're going Matthew, Matthew Boyd's really our our only
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  option here like that then. And like I said, it's going to
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  be a bidding war over Matthew Boyd, But that's sort of what
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  would happen. So you may in that situation,
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  you may be looking at like a 32 year 33.
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  I mean it it wouldn't be astronomical, but you would have
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  to assume there'd be some sort of a bump, right?
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  I don't know I I think I look at this class as like 3 different
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  categories. I think you have your your, your
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  guys in your prime that are, you know, 29 to 32 that are about to
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  maximize their payday. And I think we can we all that
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  list the top of our head. Then there's like this aging
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  close to end of the road veteran who has a super proven track
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  record and then everyone else seems to be like 33 and up and
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  kind of a question mark, whether it's injury or has hit rough
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  patches the last few years. You know, statistically, like I
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  and and Matthew Boyd, look, he did look good last year when the
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  games that he played and I can see that there's maybe some
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  upside there. But injury wise, like what do
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  you got? You got something good.
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  I don't want to talk about Matthew Boyd that much longer.
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  We have a massive signing update.
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  Breaking news Kyle Higashioka has signed A2 year deal with the
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  Texas Rangers for a with a mutual option 2027.
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  Hey, look, man, these these teams are going out and getting
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  who they want. The the Kyle Higashioka must
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  have been a target for the Rangers for some time.
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  And they said, you know what? Why wait?
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  Why wait another day? We're going to go get our.
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  Guy, we can't. We just can't.
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  We got to go get him now. Wow.
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  Huge, huge day for the Texas Rangers now.
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  Nothing but love for Higashi. OK, seems like a good guy.
• 25:15
  Seems like a good cat, that is. I know, I know.
• 25:21
  Sneaky, funny and dry. He's just, he's just kind of a
• 25:24
  boring dude on the on the outside, but apparently he's
• 25:29
  like the funniest guy in the clubhouse.
• 25:33
  I don't see it, but I'll take. I don't.
• 25:35
  See it either Yeah, take. Your word for it?
• 25:37
  I don't see you either. Tell, tell you what, man,
• 25:39
  there's something in the in in the backup role.
• 25:42
  You know, I was just going to look up Jonah Heim versus
• 25:48
  lefties numbers because I wonder if they're just trying to
• 25:53
  transition him away from that. You know, if they're like, you
• 26:03
  know what, let's just let him stick to the left, stick to the
• 26:09
  righties. Not that bad. 679 OPS against
• 26:18
  lefties, better off a lefties. I'm confused.
• 26:20
  We got confused. We got.
• 26:23
  To get better this, this, this has to like I was, I was really
• 26:30
  trying to hold out some optimism for this for this offseason.
• 26:36
  And like, I'm not, I'm not throwing in the towel yet, but
• 26:39
  like, all right. We need something we're.
• 26:42
  Past Thanksgiving now, like we got to, we got to step it up.
• 26:47
  Is it, is it what? What was the the straw on the
• 26:50
  camel's back for you? Me looking up Jonah Heim's
• 26:52
  numbers against lefties? Was that where you were like,
• 26:55
  you know? It wasn't a high of this spot
• 26:57
  here. We cannot be here.
• 26:59
  This is rock bottom. We can't be talking about
• 27:02
  Matthew Boyd maybe earning a few more $1,000,000 if he were to
• 27:08
  wait at wait it out. Like this is this is where we're
• 27:12
  at. We can't be doing this.
• 27:14
  And it's not a, it's not a NAR. It's not like indicative of, of
• 27:19
  what we're doing. It's just what we're dealt, like
• 27:21
  what we've been dealt as baseball fans.
• 27:23
  And like, I, I know we got the Snell and, and, and the like,
• 27:27
  but it's the Dodgers. Like give me something else.
• 27:32
  Like we're due for a team, not name the Dodgers to go out and
• 27:36
  make a splash. We're due for it.
• 27:41
  I don't know, man. I don't know.
• 27:44
  I'm trying. I'm trying.
• 27:45
  I'm trying to give you just tantalizing coverage and content
• 27:52
  of of what's happening. I mean, I bet.
• 27:55
  You current events, this is just.
• 27:58
  I bet you the people that say that are listening and or
• 28:01
  watching. We're not expecting Jonah Heim
• 28:05
  numbers tonight, but you know what?
• 28:07
  Who else is bringing those to you at this very?
• 28:09
  Moment. Who else is?
• 28:11
  Bringing you Jonah Heim numbers right now.
• 28:13
  We are shout out to the state of the hot stove right now.
• 28:17
  It sucks, but you know what? We're going to make the most of
• 28:20
  it. What kind of money did he get,
• 28:24
  Iggy? Dude, you don't even want to
• 28:28
  know. No, I actually don't.
• 28:32
  Know just two years. I mean it.
• 28:34
  You heard that. You heard the alarm.
• 28:36
  You heard the alarm. I know it was either going to be
• 28:39
  huge or it was going to be like that and.
• 28:43
  You heard the alarm. It's quite literally breaking
• 28:45
  news. Don't have the details on the
• 28:47
  contract yet. Yeah, he loves the fact that he
• 28:53
  can control his own soundboard. Working.
• 28:55
  Love it. OK, but what doesn't make sense
• 28:57
  is the Rangers have already made it official.
• 29:01
  So if you have the team putting this announcement out there, how
• 29:03
  do we not know the details? Of it, the money out there.
• 29:10
  Come on now, you know what? Something to work with.
• 29:14
  Frankly, I don't even care enough to to really dive into
• 29:18
  this any further. So you know what?
• 29:19
  We're going to talk about Brandon Crawford couple days out
• 29:24
  here from the news, but Brandon Crawford has announced his
• 29:26
  retirement after 14 seasons in the big leagues.
• 29:33
  Look, Brandon Crawford. Thank you for your service.
• 29:36
  Thank you for your service. I'm not going to say I'm a huge
• 29:38
  like Brandon Crawford guy. I did.
• 29:40
  I like Brandon Crawford. Yeah, played the game hard.
• 29:44
  But the thing with me, and this is, it's sort of a, it's sort of
• 29:52
  a tricky path to navigate because like you, you never want
• 29:54
  to knock a guy for trying to get every last Oz out of his career
• 30:00
  and his ability like I'm, I'm never going to knock a guy for
• 30:03
  doing that. Although I will say there are
• 30:05
  some guys in that we've seen probably in the last half decade
• 30:08
  that have maybe stretched that a little too much.
• 30:12
  And we're just like, OK, I, I think, I think you've left no
• 30:16
  choice but to leave it in the hands of, of baseball fans to
• 30:18
  make this decision for you. And we're collectively saying
• 30:21
  it's time to retire. Not the case for Brandon
• 30:23
  Crawford necessarily. I mean it, it didn't end well,
• 30:26
  but the. It kind of was.
• 30:28
  We were like we were get really getting there, really getting
• 30:31
  there. Well, let me clarify that he, he
• 30:40
  had reached that point. I'm talking about the guys that
• 30:43
  reached that point and then decide like, no, we're going to
• 30:46
  milk this out another 2-3 years. That's when that's when enough
• 30:50
  is, has been enough. But the thing with Brandon
• 30:52
  Crawford and, and we've, we've maybe shared this thought or
• 30:59
  this point with, with other guys over the years.
• 31:03
  But the, the thing with Brandon Crawford is that I, I just
• 31:06
  really wish, really wish that the whole Saint Louis Cardinals
• 31:12
  thing that that experiment didn't happen.
• 31:14
  You, you just if he, if he sticks in Saint Louis for, I
• 31:20
  don't know, call it three years, OK.
• 31:22
  It's like, you know, he had like a little last hurrah with
• 31:26
  another squad, gave it a go, stuck around for a few years,
• 31:30
  helped bring up the younger guys and and sort of serve as a
• 31:32
  mentor for them, which he I'm sure he still did in the in the
• 31:36
  short time that he was there. But like, you're there for a
• 31:40
  year. Yeah.
• 31:42
  And that whole like forever giant thing sort of goes.
• 31:45
  I mean, I'm, I'm sure they're still going to call him a
• 31:49
  forever giant, but like, technically speaking, can't
• 31:52
  really call him that if he's, you know, a Saint Louis
• 31:55
  Cardinal. But yeah, I mean, not to say I'd
• 31:59
  take away from his career, but that that's just sort of the one
• 32:03
  thing that any time I hear Brandon Crawford's name now,
• 32:06
  that's the first thing come to mind.
• 32:07
  It's like he's not a this isn't a giant for life kind of guy.
• 32:11
  It makes you wonder if there's like there's part of these
• 32:14
  conversations that that maybe go beyond the retirement Phase I
• 32:26
  because you look at like when they did the signing, I was like
• 32:31
  in my head, I was like, OK, like maybe a little bit of like some
• 32:34
  mentorship to, you know, Mason win, You know, like, let me let
• 32:38
  me show you the ropes a little bit on, you know, some things
• 32:41
  that made me so successful. You did say, I do remember that.
• 32:44
  And I and I can see where that has its value.
• 32:51
  Maybe there's some kind of conversation that's like, hey,
• 32:55
  we're going to bring you here for a year.
• 32:59
  You may be DFA D, you may be getting, you know, once a week
• 33:05
  play time if you're lucky. But I'll put in a good word for
• 33:11
  you. If you want to get into coaching
• 33:13
  when you're done or if you want to like if if you want a
• 33:15
  position in the front office when you're done, You know,
• 33:19
  maybe this is like a little bit of like a, a bartering going on.
• 33:22
  I don't know. And then on the Brandon Crawford
• 33:25
  side, like what's crazy is that he kind of had a career year
• 33:31
  three years ago, 20/21. That was the year the Giants won
• 33:37
  like 100 plus, wasn't it like 102?
• 33:40
  Some was in the water that year, I think 2021.
• 33:43
  He had 24 home runs career high, 90 RBIs career high. 107 wins.
• 33:52
  Then an 895 OPS career high. Yeah, that there was something
• 33:57
  going on in San Francisco that year.
• 33:59
  I saw too, that whole year. I mean, Darren Ruff was like in
• 34:03
  the headlines. I'm like, what sort of illegal
• 34:07
  activity is Manfred? What sort of black magic is
• 34:10
  Manfred working in San Francisco and for what reason?
• 34:13
  Like why? Why I?
• 34:14
  Don't know what, I don't know what happened.
• 34:17
  Totaled up a six one war that year.
• 34:23
  So maybe it's just like, hey, that was only three years ago,
• 34:25
  like I still got that somewhere in me.
• 34:29
  But you know, little lack of self-awareness.
• 34:31
  I don't know, like I said, there's to me it it doesn't
• 34:36
  really add up on the outside. I don't see why you would ruin
• 34:39
  what you have is like a legacy. Maybe the you know, the legacy
• 34:42
  is still there. Maybe you're forever going to be
• 34:45
  recognized as a giant. I don't think anyone's going to
• 34:47
  remember you as a cardinal. I don't know.
• 34:50
  No, and I'm not saying that people aren't going to remember
• 34:53
  him as that's not what I'm saying.
• 34:54
  He's. He's a giant.
• 34:55
  He's a it's like a small thing on the resume.
• 34:58
  Yeah, he's a forever Giant. I'm just saying, technically
• 35:01
  speaking, it's it just goes to show you how hard it is and how
• 35:05
  impressive it is when when guys actually do start to finish,
• 35:08
  they run the table with one team.
• 35:11
  Like you think of Brandon Crawford a Giant?
• 35:13
  Absolutely, but he was also Cardinal.
• 35:16
  It just makes you really appreciate when it actually does
• 35:19
  happen, especially a a career that long.
• 35:22
  I mean, not every not every guy is going to go out there and
• 35:24
  have an 18 year career like Fort.
• 35:26
  What was it, 14 years like that? He's.
• 35:28
  A very nice career. That is an incredible career.
• 35:32
  I mean, he was the Giants career leader in games played at
• 35:37
  shortstop at 1617. So very nice the dude posted.
• 35:43
  That's not a. Question or Gold gloves.
• 35:46
  I think it's whatever he had yeah very nice very solid
• 35:51
  career. I don't, I won't be.
• 35:55
  I just I won't be surprised if we see like him getting a
• 35:58
  coaching job or a front office job or even I don't know how he
• 36:03
  is, but he doesn't scream broadcast booth to me.
• 36:07
  But. I, I think I was reading that he
• 36:10
  wants to just take the take the family route and just sort of.
• 36:16
  Then I really don't understand the one year in Saint Louis.
• 36:18
  Maybe disassociate from baseball, I don't know.
• 36:21
  Pull a Brett Gardner and just fall off the map.
• 36:24
  Hey, no, no one's. No one's heard from that guy, by
• 36:27
  the way, he gave nobody. He gave us 14 years.
• 36:31
  Yeah, he he's deserved. He deserves some time with the
• 36:34
  fam. Yeah, real, real head scratcher
• 36:38
  for Saint Louis then. Well, pit stop there like.
• 36:42
  You said I'm not going to knock a guy for trying to get every
• 36:45
  last outs and that's what he tried to do.
• 36:47
  It just didn't paint out. But you know, like I said, heck
• 36:49
  of a career And the Giants will undoubtedly honour him
• 36:56
  accordingly. What is this episode man?
• 36:58
  This is this. Is this is like I said, this is
• 37:02
  what we've been dealt. A little spicier at the end
• 37:06
  though. We'll.
• 37:06
  Give me something we'll. Spice it up a little bit here.
• 37:10
  Apparently it was news to you because you had had yet to hear
• 37:13
  about it. But Manfred, it was announced
• 37:15
  today that or I think it was it, it was making its its rounds
• 37:20
  today. I think it may have been from a
• 37:22
  conversation with Manfred previously prior to today, but
• 37:29
  this golden rule thing that's floating around, it's really
• 37:34
  turning some heads. Talk to me, fill me in.
• 37:37
  I spent all day looking at building specs so.
• 37:41
  The golden rule, according to Rob Manfred, is this idea.
• 37:46
  You know, I don't want to say rule proposal because I, I think
• 37:50
  they're still floating it around, but it's, it would allow
• 37:54
  teams one opportunity per game to send their top hitter to the
• 38:00
  plate regardless of the batting order.
• 38:03
  Don't even stop, stop, don't even with this.
• 38:08
  This is crazy. Don't even.
• 38:11
  Yeah, crazy, insane. Stop.
• 38:16
  We're not Wait, don't don't drink the don't drink the the
• 38:20
  kool-aid, man. Don't do it.
• 38:23
  This is a terrible idea. This is the we talk all the time
• 38:27
  about not making baseball this like board game or this equation
• 38:31
  where you can just plug and play to like make it to maximize
• 38:35
  entertainment value. Like just leave the game alone.
• 38:38
  Like pitch clock finally came around to that.
• 38:43
  I guess. I don't know, but like, what are
• 38:46
  we, we're literally taking the, the structure of the game that's
• 38:51
  been around for over 100 years and just saying that's nice, but
• 38:56
  what if we did this? And hear me out when I say that
• 38:59
  I'm not saying that you, the game just has to stay the same
• 39:01
  forever. Obviously that's not the case
• 39:03
  because if that was the case, they, they, we, they wouldn't
• 39:06
  have baseball gloves. They'd still be playing with
• 39:08
  like a piece of a piece of newspaper in front of their hand
• 39:12
  to catch baseballs with. I don't know, but like, do you
• 39:19
  want me to read that again just so you can hear how insane?
• 39:22
  That is, I didn't say anything. I just.
• 39:24
  Gave you, I saw those, I saw those eyes.
• 39:26
  I saw and you looked, you looked, you looked a little
• 39:29
  intrigued and I don't like that. I'm intrigued to see how that
• 39:34
  would go and here's why I OK has had this idea I've I've heard it
• 39:41
  on on his on his show multiple times for like years now.
• 39:45
  Can I Can I reread the idea before we go anywhere?
• 39:48
  Reread the idea. Go ahead.
• 39:50
  Let me reread the idea here. The golden rule would allow
• 39:54
  teams one opportunity per game to send their top hitter to the
• 39:57
  plate regardless of the batting order.
• 40:02
  Proceed. Yeah, I don't know how the
• 40:05
  logistics work necessarily, but Michael Kay has had this idea on
• 40:09
  his show for years now. He's talked about.
• 40:12
  And the logic is, is that like when you look at other sports,
• 40:19
  when the game's on the line, Kevin Durant has the ball,
• 40:24
  LeBron James has the ball, Steph Curry has the ball, and the
• 40:30
  game's on the line. Your top player on the field in
• 40:33
  football, your quarterback, your running back, your wide
• 40:36
  receiver, your tight end have the opportunity to get the ball.
• 40:41
  That is the logic of it. But you.
• 40:44
  Can naturally manufacture that situation in basketball and
• 40:49
  maybe even football. But in baseball, I get it.
• 40:53
  It's. Just manufactured as a result of
• 40:55
  what happens during the game. I definitely get it.
• 40:58
  And if you're if you're artificially manufacturing this
• 41:02
  scenario every game, then it's. Like what?
• 41:05
  I'm just playing devil's advocate.
• 41:06
  I'm not, I hear you for it or against it necessarily.
• 41:08
  I'm just saying I can see why it's an idea.
• 41:12
  I can see why it's being thrown out there.
• 41:16
  And it is interesting because of the way that we've seen the game
• 41:26
  get so mapped out and so game planned.
• 41:35
  And when you're starting to see closers coming in the seventh,
• 41:37
  because that's the most difficult spot in the 9th inning
• 41:42
  is kind of like there, there's games that you and I have
• 41:44
  watched that were we see the game end in the 6th or 7th,
• 41:48
  we're like, if, if that team was going to come back, it was right
• 41:50
  there in that moment and they don't come back and the game
• 41:53
  ends right. We've seen those types of games.
• 41:57
  I think it's kind of interesting to have a wild card that you're
• 42:00
  like, you know what, all your analytics, all your game
• 42:04
  planning, all your mapped out, everything that's just written
• 42:08
  down and you're following the script from out one out 27.
• 42:12
  Here's a joker that we're going to throw into the mix.
• 42:16
  It's crazy, it's interesting, it's wild, it's a wild card.
• 42:24
  The golden rule. Is that what he called it?
• 42:29
  Yeah, yeah, the Golden Rule. How do rules, it's got to go by
• 42:34
  the it's, it's MOBPA too, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 42:42
  I can't see MOBPA going for that but.
• 42:46
  I, I, I just, I, I don't see how people can, can look at this and
• 42:55
  not view this as anything more than Major League Baseball
• 42:58
  trying to make itself into a video game, because that's the
• 43:00
  only scenario in which this would like, actually make sense.
• 43:04
  Sure. Yeah, no, you can't even do that
• 43:08
  in a video game, so I don't know what you're talking about there.
• 43:13
  Backyard backyard wiffle ball. Maybe backyard wiffle ball.
• 43:17
  Yeah, that there you go. Better example, it's throw a
• 43:20
  ghost runner. I'm coming back.
• 43:22
  I'm it's just insane. What do you mean it's my turn?
• 43:26
  Shut up. I'm like 6 years older than you.
• 43:29
  Just I'm up. Go.
• 43:30
  I'm up. OK, That exactly.
• 43:34
  I mean, that's the kind of insanity that we're talking
• 43:36
  about incorporating into Major League Baseball, like, the
• 43:41
  pinnacle of the sport. Yeah.
• 43:43
  Whoever you want to bring up to the plate.
• 43:45
  Cool. Fine with us.
• 43:47
  Yeah, it is. It is nuts.
• 43:50
  Sanity. What is it like the official
• 43:54
  report say that they're that the this is up for voting that this
• 43:58
  is just it's going to be tested somewhere like.
• 44:06
  Manfred said. They're quote, they're a variety
• 44:09
  of rule change ideas that are being talked about out there.
• 44:12
  One of them, there was a little buzz around it at an owners
• 44:17
  meeting. The idea of the Golden Bat.
• 44:23
  Trying to read this report. I just saw this today, so
• 44:26
  forgive me that I haven't had a chance to fully review it yet.
• 44:30
  I don't. Even know what it was, so you're
• 44:33
  forgiven. Yeah, Like this article that I'm
• 44:38
  reading, it was talking about how like we could see the Otani
• 44:41
  Trout thing like every game. I'm sorry, but if you, if you,
• 44:47
  if you manufacture this situation every night that Otani
• 44:51
  Trout moment no longer is is the Otani Trout moment.
• 44:55
  Why was that so incredible? Because it was manufactured
• 44:58
  naturally and it was like, and we talked about it when it
• 45:02
  happened, like we never get to see something like this.
• 45:06
  And now we're seeing this on the grandest stage and people can
• 45:10
  say like, oh, it was rigged. It was a world Baseball classic.
• 45:12
  Sure. But like, do you realize what
• 45:14
  kind of intricacies are involved in, in in rigging a situation
• 45:19
  like that? Stop.
• 45:21
  I'm not surprised that this is being brought up though, because
• 45:23
  like everything is trended this way.
• 45:25
  Everything is like the fact that we went interleague play, the
• 45:30
  fact that we went to now it's all year, then now it's mixed in
• 45:37
  randomly and you're going to both ballparks like you're
• 45:40
  splitting it halfway through the season.
• 45:42
  Like those moments of getting to see the Yankees and Wrigley or
• 45:47
  the Cubs and and Fenway or you know, whatever it may be.
• 45:53
  I'm not surprised that this is coming about.
• 45:55
  I'm not surprised that's I think that's my biggest thing.
• 45:58
  Like I, I've. But we don't draw the line.
• 46:01
  We talked about this. It's it's.
• 46:03
  Winning. Would you rather have would
• 46:06
  would you rather have robo UMS or this 'cause I'll take this
• 46:09
  over robo UMS? Don't put that evil on me.
• 46:12
  I would if you had to. Choose give me give me robo UMS
• 46:15
  because that's we're already headed that way.
• 46:17
  Like, you know, that's, you know, that's going to happen.
• 46:20
  So like whatever, just get it over over with.
• 46:22
  But we talked about this like where do you draw the line?
• 46:25
  The the rule changes are fine to a point.
• 46:28
  It's when you start impacting the actual game for the sake of
• 46:32
  entertainment. Like I understand it's a
• 46:35
  business, it's a product, but like, it's, it's, it's doing
• 46:39
  fine. Like we don't need to like go so
• 46:43
  far beyond, you know, like being able to look at the game as in a
• 46:51
  way that reflects what it used to be to where it just becomes
• 46:54
  so unrecognizable. And it's like, what are we?
• 46:56
  Here's here's a revision. Here's a revision to this.
• 47:05
  What if you you could only do it in extra innings?
• 47:09
  Get rid of the get rid of the runner on second.
• 47:12
  I think there could be some things that we could do to extra
• 47:14
  innings. I really do.
• 47:15
  I think there's a lot of things we could do before just throwing
• 47:18
  a runner on 2nd freely. I think there's a lot of things
• 47:23
  we can play with there because a Home Run Derby sounds nice.
• 47:29
  I'm going to be honest with you, I want to see an L screen just
• 47:32
  wheeled out there after 12 innings of time.
• 47:36
  Ball game. What is that L screen?
• 47:40
  Let's send it. What is what is this sport?
• 47:44
  What is this game? I don't meetings.
• 47:46
  I Oh my good. Who?
• 47:49
  What is happening? I.
• 47:50
  Have a team. Rob no, I'm, I'm, I'm done.
• 47:53
  I'm, I don't want to. I'm done.
• 47:55
  I'm I've had it. We're calling it early.
• 47:59
  You want to you want to play a game.
• 48:00
  No, we're calling it. I don't want to play a game.
• 48:05
  You're going to be getting a three O change up from us here
• 48:07
  soon, probably this week. I think it's going to be on
• 48:10
  pizza is what was decided. So again, if you're unfamiliar
• 48:14
  with our three O change UPS, it's where we pick a topic in
• 48:16
  the offseason or we pick many topics throughout the offseason
• 48:19
  and we just talk about them. They're not baseball related,
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  but gives us a little bit of a chance to spitball about some
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  things that of our that are of interest to us.
• 48:30
  So be a little bonus pod. You'll only be able to find them
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  on the podcast platforms that you listen to.
• 48:34
  They're not can be live streamed.
• 48:35
  They're not going to be on YouTube.
• 48:37
  They're just going to be on the audio platforms.
• 48:40
  So check, be on be on the lookout for those in the coming
• 48:44
  or for that in the coming days. And what, like I said, we'll be
• 48:47
  hopefully doing some more of those on various topics as the
• 48:51
  offseason progresses, but that's all I've got.
• 48:55
  Way to end it on a high note. I really got under your skin
• 48:57
  there. That was easy.
• 49:00
  That was easy. Why don't we just play with a
• 49:03
  soccer ball instead? Like, you know what people talk
• 49:05
  about how soccer so popular. Just put a soccer ball out
• 49:09
  there, we'll play with that. Whatever, fine.
• 49:12
  Oh I love it. You guys are great.
• 49:16
  Don't go chasing curveballs. We love you and as always,
• 49:18
  looking forward to talking more baseball with you guys soon.
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  Until next time, stay filthy.