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Syria Podcast - Episode 6 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode six of the Syria Podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm joined once again by Vanessa Biley. Welcome to the program, Vanessa,
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Speaker 1: I say welcome, but actually situation Syria is looking extremely
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Speaker 1: grim and tragic. What is going on there?
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Speaker 2: Well, basically we know that the West, particularly of course,
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Speaker 2: if we're going to talk about UK officials, government officials,
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Speaker 2: journalists like Rory Stuart, Alistair Campbell, representatives of the EU
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Speaker 2: have all been in Syria. Even human rights representative like
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Speaker 2: Vulcan Turk and members of the UN human rights agencies
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Speaker 2: have been in Syria normalizing and legitimizing what is effectively
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Speaker 2: a terrorist al Qaeda junta government that has taken control
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Speaker 2: in Damascus since the international coup in December last year,
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Speaker 2: and have been in entirely silent. All of these organizations
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Speaker 2: and Western governments have been completely silent on the ethnic
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Speaker 2: cleansing programs that have been run either by HTS affiliates
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Speaker 2: directly or by their subordinate many of which are foreign
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Speaker 2: mercenaries coming from Xinjiang Province in China, the Uigas, Chechens, Uzbekistanis, Turkmenistanis, etc.
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Speaker 2: And they've been conducting ethnic cleansing programs since they came
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Speaker 2: to power, and of course this has not been properly
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Speaker 2: recorded by Western regime media outlets like the BBC and
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Speaker 2: Channel four and so on. Even if it has been mentioned,
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Speaker 2: it's been very much played down in order to glorify
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Speaker 2: effectively what is a terrorist regime now in control of
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Speaker 2: Syria and what has happened in the last few days
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Speaker 2: is that Syrians are not necessarily affiliated to the previous
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Speaker 2: a SAD government, have risen up to try and prevent
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Speaker 2: the slaughter of their own families, their own civilians, particularly
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Speaker 2: in the coastal areas Latakia Tatous, but also inland towards
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Speaker 2: Hans Parma, which you will know from my reports at
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Speaker 2: UK column. There are two main Christian towns that resisted
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Speaker 2: Algae either advances for years since two thousand and eleven,
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Speaker 2: and so the ethnic cleansing now is on a scale
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Speaker 2: where actually none of us are able to believe that
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Speaker 2: we're watching again a slaughter that is not being condemned
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Speaker 2: by our governments in the West. It's not being reported
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Speaker 2: on by Western media outlets, and if it is, of
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Speaker 2: course how are they portraying it, just as they portray
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Speaker 2: the war between the Palestinians and Israel. It's all fault
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Speaker 2: of former regime so called remnants that are creating divisions
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Speaker 2: and sectarian strife inside Syria, which of course is an
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Speaker 2: entirely false narrative. The reality is that both HTS security
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Speaker 2: forces and the various foreign mercenaries under their control, the
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Speaker 2: nationalities of which I've already mentioned, are carrying out two
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Speaker 2: pronged attacks. Basically, the Arab and HTS affiliates are coming
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Speaker 2: in murdering the men of villages and towns on the coast,
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Speaker 2: and then sending in the foreign mercenaries to slaughter basically
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Speaker 2: anyone that moves, and that's including women. Children. We've seen
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Speaker 2: videos of a thirteen year old child being shot in
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Speaker 2: the head. We've seen children being tortured, children are being trafficked.
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Speaker 2: There are now reports of organ trafficking, of foreign doctors
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Speaker 2: and medics being on the scene to mop up the
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Speaker 2: dead bodies, but also to take the organs. These are
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Speaker 2: now increasing in number, the reports of these activities, and
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Speaker 2: of course, Mike, we've reported on this for years now
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Speaker 2: about the potential for the white helmet involvement in such crimes,
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Speaker 2: the harvesting of organs and the trafficking of children, and
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Speaker 2: this appears to be the case again now. While Al Jazeera,
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Speaker 2: which of course is Katari funded and KATA poured billions
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Speaker 2: into the regime change war from twenty eleven onwards, Al
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Speaker 2: Jazeera was responsible for much of the propaganda to support
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Speaker 2: the criminalization of the Syrian government and Syrian Observatory for
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Speaker 2: Human Rights that is EU funded based in the UK.
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Speaker 2: Both these media outlets are down playing the numbers, keeping
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Speaker 2: it in the hundreds of dead. However, we're receiving reports
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Speaker 2: myself from friends on the coast who are telling me
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Speaker 2: literally they are counting the bodies in the streets. We're
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Speaker 2: looking at numbers of anything between five thousand upwards, some
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Speaker 2: as saying seven thousand plus. But it's in the thousands,
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Speaker 2: not in the hundreds. And we're watching again another slaughter
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Speaker 2: about which our governments are not only silent, they are
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Speaker 2: effectively endorsing and are complicit in the slaughter that's ongoing
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Speaker 2: in Syria.
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Speaker 1: So I just want to look first of all at
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Speaker 1: the media coverage of Syria since the fall of the
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Speaker 1: Assad government, and in recent days and weeks we see
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Speaker 1: hts as being described as Syrian security forces and we're
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Speaker 1: seeing the Syrian security forces of the Assad government, the
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Speaker 1: remnants of that being described as you know, insurgents or
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Speaker 1: I can't remember the terms that they were actually using.
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Speaker 1: It's certainly disparaging terms. This is something that we saw
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Speaker 1: right from the beginning, the sort of legitimizing of what
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Speaker 1: our foreign proxies as being something legitimate and something that
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Speaker 1: is justified to be there, and the demonization of the
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Speaker 1: Syrian people who happen to be on the side of
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Speaker 1: the government that was of the day. And therefore, as
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Speaker 1: you say, everything that happens at the hands of HTS
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Speaker 1: is being endorsed and justified by the BBC, by the
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Speaker 1: British press. And I know it shouldn't surprise me, but
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Speaker 1: Al Jazeera as well is right up there pushing this narrative.
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Speaker 1: And actually the language between the BBC and Al Jazeera
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Speaker 1: is pretty much it's inseparable. So what we say about
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Speaker 1: about mainstream press, I suppose we can't really say anything
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Speaker 1: that we haven't said over the last twenty years.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think we've said it before. The media
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Speaker 2: in the West is nothing more than an extension of
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Speaker 2: Western security agencies. So they are SEX and the CIA, predominantly,
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Speaker 2: But I also know I will remind people of the
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Speaker 2: leaked UK Foreign Office documents I think it was back
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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen or maybe a bit later, which were
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Speaker 2: actually accepted as credible by the then A country member
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Speaker 2: was he Foreign Minister Dominic Grobb, who tried to excuse
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Speaker 2: their release by saying that government computers had been hacked,
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Speaker 2: but thereby giving credibility to those documents that showed very
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Speaker 2: clearly the UK Foreign Office involvement in the production of
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Speaker 2: media justification for the armed groups on the ground in
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Speaker 2: Syria committing atrocities against Syrian civilians, and in tandem the
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Speaker 2: criminalization that you talk about of the then Syrian government
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Speaker 2: and Syrian Army, which of course are the genuine security forces,
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Speaker 2: just as the real Syria Civil Defense is the genuine
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Speaker 2: civil defense, not the MI six incubated White Helmets that
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Speaker 2: were established in Turkey and Jordan in twenty thirteen and
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Speaker 2: then embedded with al Qaeda and the various terrorist affiliates
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Speaker 2: working to overthrow the Syrian government. So what we're seeing now,
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Speaker 2: of course, is nothing more than an extension of those narratives,
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Speaker 2: and for these media outlets like the BBC, like Channel
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Speaker 2: four that were so heavily invested in promoting the terrorist
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Speaker 2: proxies as moderate rebels and justifying their crimes against the
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Speaker 2: Syrian people as being genuine political opposition against the Syrian
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Speaker 2: government that was fighting to prevent the destabilization party and
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Speaker 2: fall of Syria that we're seeing now come to fruition.
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Speaker 2: These media outlets are in a position where they can't
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Speaker 2: possibly deviate from the propaganda that they've been promulgating for
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Speaker 2: the last how many years? Fourteen years nearly fifteen years, right,
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Speaker 2: because that would show their rank, hypocrisy and criminality in
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Speaker 2: actually enabling and facilitating the regime change war that began
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Speaker 2: even before twenty eleven, but let's say it began in
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Speaker 2: Earnest in twenty and eleven. Publicly it began, and those
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Speaker 2: same media outlets are now basically playing a criminal role
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Speaker 2: in justifying the HTS slaughter that is going on inside Syria,
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Speaker 2: the children, the women, the doctors, the medics, the ordinary
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Speaker 2: civilians that are being massacred. And again this is another
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Speaker 2: familiar Hutson might be is instead of retaliating against the
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Speaker 2: armed Syrian popular movement that has reacted to the sectarian cleansing,
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Speaker 2: operations in Syria by HTS. What are they doing. They're
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Speaker 2: targeting civilians And this is exactly what they've done since
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Speaker 2: twenty eleven. They haven't fought a military battle, They fought
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Speaker 2: a battle against civilians. We saw them since twenty eleven
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Speaker 2: targeting civilians in homes, in a leper in Damascus, in
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Speaker 2: every city and village in Syria, and that is what
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Speaker 2: they're doing now. They're not fighting the insurgents, they're fighting civilians.
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Speaker 2: They're massacring civilians. This is a sectarian ethnic cleansing program that,
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Speaker 2: as I said, is being sanctioned and endorsed by our
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Speaker 2: governments in the worst. And another aspect of this is
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Speaker 2: that our governments in the West, and this ties into
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Speaker 2: what we've been talking about at UK column reference the
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Speaker 2: Islamophobia that is being fermented in the West, our governments
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Speaker 2: are sheltering the same Al Qaeda and the ISIS elements
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Speaker 2: that are now carrying out sectarian programs inside Syria. And
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Speaker 2: I'm not by any means saying that every refugee that
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Speaker 2: has come into Europe from Syria or into the UK
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Speaker 2: from Syria is a member of the terrorist armed groups
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Speaker 2: that were proxies of our governments in the West, but
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Speaker 2: the majority are and we're even seeing members of those
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Speaker 2: groups in Germany, for example, calling for the ethnic cleansing
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Speaker 2: of Alo whites and Sia and Christian In other words,
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Speaker 2: any of any of the Syrian minorities that don't adhere
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Speaker 2: not too more Muslim ideology or even to Sunni Muslim ideology,
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Speaker 2: but to Wahabi and Muslim Brotherhood extremeist fanatic ideology, because
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Speaker 2: even Sunni Muslims in Syria right now are being slaughtered
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Speaker 2: if they don't comply with the sectarian extremist ideology demonstrated
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Speaker 2: by HTS, and they're affiliates in.
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Speaker 1: Syria, right I want to just discuss a little bit
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Speaker 1: what is actually being lost here, because I mean, if
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Speaker 1: I just read a sentence from the BBC's coverage of this,
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Speaker 1: Alo whites who sect is an offshoot of Shia Islam
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Speaker 1: make up around ten percent of Syria's population, which is
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Speaker 1: majority Sunni Muslim and a narrative that has been running
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Speaker 1: through this whole thing since twenty eleven has been an
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Speaker 1: attempt to enforce the idea from mainstream press that Syria
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Speaker 1: was only ever going to up because it's a hard
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Speaker 1: parts of various sects, and they're pushing this sectarian narrative
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Speaker 1: when in fact, Syria, being effectively the cridle of Western civilization,
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Speaker 1: has forever been, yes, a melting part of a whole
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Speaker 1: range of different religious groupings and so on, who actually
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Speaker 1: got on very well for the majority of the time.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a very good point to make. The sectarian
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Speaker 2: narratives actually have been completely created and manufactured not only
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Speaker 2: by the West, but also of course by their allies
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Speaker 2: in Israel and the as David Miller has talked to
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Speaker 2: us about previously, have been responsible for many or much
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Speaker 2: of the terminology that has been used to for ment
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Speaker 2: sectarian strife in these countries. I mean even in Iraq
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Speaker 2: for example. If you there was a wonderful article by
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Speaker 2: doctor Sami Ramadani written I think about ten years ago
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Speaker 2: about the fact that even Iraq did not have sectarian
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Speaker 2: issues before the West got involved, in particular the US
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Speaker 2: and the UK. And the same is said for Syria.
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Speaker 2: But in Syria in particular, in all the years that
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Speaker 2: I've been working inside Syria on the ground and living
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Speaker 2: in Syria, Syrians never saw themselves as Christian or Sunni
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Speaker 2: or ala white or Ishmaili. They saw themselves first and foremost,
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Speaker 2: and they still do as Syrians, and their faith or
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Speaker 2: their beliefs, whatever they were, were secondary to that national
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Speaker 2: identity and that Arab identity of course over arching all
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Speaker 2: of this, I remember that Syria and Egypt were partners
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Speaker 2: in the entire Pan Arab movement under Hafez Alasa and
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Speaker 2: Huffis Alasad is known even by you know, Western commentators analysts.
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Speaker 2: I recommend everyone reads Patrick Seal's book on huffi Is
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Speaker 2: Alasad because it will give tremendous insight into how Alasad
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Speaker 2: managed the country to bring together all of the diversity
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Speaker 2: and the incredibly sort of diverse societal fabric into one
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Speaker 2: country being Syria, and for Western media like the BBC
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Speaker 2: to basically create these sectarian narratives. I mean, for example,
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Speaker 2: the Alo Whites are considered or being reported by all
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Speaker 2: of these media outlets as being a Sad tribe. But
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Speaker 2: what they forget is that, yes, President Asad was Alawhite,
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Speaker 2: his wife was Sunny, the majority of the Syrian government
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Speaker 2: was Sunny, the majority of the business class in Syria
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Speaker 2: were Sunni, the majority of the Syrian Arab army was
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Speaker 2: Sunni and they are the majority in Syria, and the
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Speaker 2: majority of the Sunni Muslims in Syria do not accept
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Speaker 2: HTS rule and HTS Sharia dark age, mentality and ideology.
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Speaker 2: I mean, in Damascus in the last two days, a
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Speaker 2: Sunni religious leader was massacred by HTS y because he
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Speaker 2: spoke out against the slaughter of Syrians of Syrian Allowhite,
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Speaker 2: Syrian Christians, Syrian Shia, Syrian Sunni by HDS. So what
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Speaker 2: did they do? They went to his home, then they
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Speaker 2: dragged him out, they stripped him naked, they beat him
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Speaker 2: and they slaughtered him. This is a Sunni shake. They
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Speaker 2: have called for the execution of who was formerly the Mufti,
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Speaker 2: the head Mufti in in Syria. Mufti hasun Why because
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Speaker 2: he was considered too moderate, He wasn't considered to be
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Speaker 2: fanatic enough. He doesn't comply with the Wahabi ideology that
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Speaker 2: has been birthed in Saudi Arabia, but of course originally
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Speaker 2: created by the British. Nor does he agree with the
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Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood terrorist ideology also created by the British.
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Speaker 1: The organization that keeps getting mentioned in the mainstream press
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Speaker 1: is a Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Now, there'll be
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Speaker 1: a lot of people listening to this that weren't around
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Speaker 1: for our coverage, you know, between twenty thirteen, let's say,
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Speaker 1: and our words, so I won't have heard of the Syria,
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Speaker 1: or if they have heard of the Syrian Observatory of
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Speaker 1: Human Rights, won't know what it is. Just remind us
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Speaker 1: who this is and what their role is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a very good article actually, apart from
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Speaker 2: the Work at UK column, written by Charlie Skelten at
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Speaker 2: The Guardian, and I recommend everyone looks for it and
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Speaker 2: reads it. I can't remember the title, but he goes
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Speaker 2: into quite a lot of detail about what we're effectively
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Speaker 2: the anti Syria complex that was running the narratives, and
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Speaker 2: he includes a write up on Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Now.
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Speaker 2: I've also completely forgotten the surname of the guy who
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Speaker 2: runs it round me I can't remember, but basically it
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Speaker 2: receives funding, or it certainly used to, from the EU.
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Speaker 2: It's reporting is compromised, it's very clearly partisan, both against
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Speaker 2: the former Syrian government and towards the terrorist opposition groups,
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Speaker 2: and it's reporting on the current slaughter across Syria. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's very much centralized in the coastal areas, but it's
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Speaker 2: extending into other areas, even as far as Damascus and
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Speaker 2: into the northeast actually, so we can talk about that
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Speaker 2: in a bit, because the Kurds are now also involved
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Speaker 2: in this. So basically he's responsible for both criminalizing the
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Speaker 2: Syrian government but making it look very sort of moderate
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Speaker 2: and reasonable and to a degree downplaying the atrocities committed
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Speaker 2: by the likes of HTS and ISIS and their various
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Speaker 2: branch off groups. And the numbers that he's putting out
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Speaker 2: very much like Al Jazeera, are in the low hundreds,
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Speaker 2: when in reality we know that it is in the thousands.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this morning, friends were calling me in tears
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Speaker 2: and saying that their relatives and their families in the Takia,
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Speaker 2: in Tartus, in Banyas are literally counting the bodies in
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Speaker 2: the streets. There are mass grades being prepared across the region,
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Speaker 2: and identification of the bodies is needed because many of
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Speaker 2: them have been mutilated. Horrendous video circulating beheadings of the
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Speaker 2: dismemberment of bodies and so on, and that's what people
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Speaker 2: are dealing with, and that is what is being completely
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Speaker 2: downplayed and justified by these media outlets. Again, we come
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Speaker 2: back to the BBC. How can it be justified when
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Speaker 2: even if it were to be former members of the
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Speaker 2: Syrian Arab Army that have risen up against what it
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Speaker 2: is being done to their own families. Mike, we can't
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Speaker 2: forget this. The Syrian Arab Army comes from the people,
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Speaker 2: and it comes from the poorer sectors of society, as
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Speaker 2: it does across the world. And when we talk about
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Speaker 2: this demonization of the so called Alooite tribe because of
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Speaker 2: its connections to President as said, I can categorically say
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Speaker 2: that from my experience of being in Syria and going
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Speaker 2: to these areas and interviewing Alo White families and Aloite unities,
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Speaker 2: there's some of the poorest and most marginalized communicate communities
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Speaker 2: inside Syria because actually what the government tried to do
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Speaker 2: was to disconnect itself from the Alo White identity to
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Speaker 2: if you like, soften diplomacy and political optics for the West,
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Speaker 2: because the West were using this Alowite connection both against
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Speaker 2: the people from that sect and against the government. Right.
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Speaker 2: So these people are actually living in some of the
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Speaker 2: poorest areas, they have nothing, and now They're being slaughtered
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Speaker 2: for what for just being from a sact, They had nothing,
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Speaker 2: Many of them actually were opposed to the Syrian government,
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Speaker 2: and yet they're still being slaughtered. Their entire families are
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Speaker 2: being slaughtered, and it's indiscriminate. I mean, there are videos
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Speaker 2: now that are being circulated showing HTS members entering villages
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Speaker 2: and towns and if anything moves, it doesn't matter who
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Speaker 2: they are, their shot. Literally, these videos are out there,
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Speaker 2: they're publicly available on x on telegram, but of course
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Speaker 2: they're not being picked up and even shown by the
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Speaker 2: likes of the BBC Channel four, because, just as they've
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Speaker 2: always done in Syria, they cover up what is really
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Speaker 2: happening and present the story as the UK government and
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Speaker 2: its allies want it to be seen.
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Speaker 1: Just to fill in the gaps there. The name that
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Speaker 1: the guy that runs Syrian Observatory for Human Rights goes
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Speaker 1: by is Rami Abdul Raman. Yes, but I think his
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Speaker 1: real name is a Sama Suleiman, so it's a bit
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Speaker 1: strange anyway. I mean, it famously runs this side of
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Speaker 1: his home in Coventry.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, he has a laundry business from.
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Speaker 1: Them, that's right, or a clothing shop or something out
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Speaker 1: of But over the years that organization has been used
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Speaker 1: by the mainstream media because he claims to have people
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Speaker 1: on the ground giving him the information. But that organization,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, some kind of whether it is one
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Speaker 1: guy in his home or whether it's some kind of
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Speaker 1: intelligence cut out, has been used by the minstream press
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Speaker 1: to justify narratives since twenty eleven.
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Speaker 2: Actually it's worth mentioning. I can't remember which year. It
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Speaker 2: was maybe twenty sixteen that the UN stopped using Syrian
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Speaker 2: Observatory for Human Rights because they said he was inaccurate.
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Speaker 2: So that's worth noting. But he does have, as you said,
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Speaker 2: whether he's paid to do so, whether he is confirming
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Speaker 2: his own bias, which is against the former Syrian government
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Speaker 2: and pro certainly pro the Muslim Brotherhood faction that of
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Speaker 2: course have been weaponized against various Syrian governments for decades,
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Speaker 2: and as I keep repeating, were created by the British
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Speaker 2: in Egypt in the late thirties, from or maybe the
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Speaker 2: late twenties. And another point that I want to make
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Speaker 2: there has been information circulating also on social media that
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Speaker 2: the general who is taking command of the Syrian Popular
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Speaker 2: Resistance that is not from one faction. It's basically a
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Speaker 2: conglomeration of Syrian Army, of local resistance, national Defense Forces
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Speaker 2: and so on. The general's name is general, heis Dalla,
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Speaker 2: he's been his photo is on social media. But of
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Speaker 2: course someone has started the narrative that he was a
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Speaker 2: member of the fourth Division and he was very close
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Speaker 2: to Iran. And why is this important? Because the other
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Speaker 2: narrative that the BBC and Channel four have always paddled
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Speaker 2: on Syria is that all of these forces, including the
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Speaker 2: Syrian Aubami, were nothing more than proxies of Iran to
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Speaker 2: destabilize the region, to allow Iranian expansionism, etc. But this
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Speaker 2: is actually entirely false. Iran and even Hesbolara not involved
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Speaker 2: in the current conflict that is ongoing in Syria since
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Speaker 2: December the eighth, when HTS took control in Damascus, and
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Speaker 2: Kaith Dallah, the general now in command of the Resistance forces.
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Speaker 2: The Syrian Resistance Forces is actually or was a former
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Speaker 2: member of the Republican God. He's known by people in Syria,
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Speaker 2: both those who fought with him those who know him
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Speaker 2: well to be loyal to Syria. He doesn't have any
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Speaker 2: affiliation outside of Syria, whether it is Russian or Iranian. None.
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Speaker 2: He is a Syrian patriot. And so this is just
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Speaker 2: to demonstrate how the media is distorting and twisting reality
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Speaker 2: in order to confirm the narratives that they have been
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Speaker 2: disseminating since twenty eleven, to discredit the Syrian government and
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Speaker 2: to discredit the Syrian army for its operations to cleanse
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Speaker 2: Syria of the terrorist proxies that are being funded, trains, equipped, armed,
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Speaker 2: weaponized by the UK, by the US, the EU, Turkey,
26:47
Speaker 2: the Gulf States, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Keata and by the way,
26:52
Speaker 2: the Gulf States as a collective have put out a
26:54
Speaker 2: statement condemning the insurgents in Syria and congratulating Joe Lani
27:03
Speaker 2: and his security forces for taking measures against that insurgent.
27:08
Speaker 2: So what does that mean? That means that the Gulf
27:10
Speaker 2: States who funded this war, who provided the terrorist forces
27:16
Speaker 2: to conduct the war against the Syrian government, and now
27:19
Speaker 2: endorsing the slauster of Syrian communities and sex that don't
27:24
Speaker 2: comply with their own ideology.
27:27
Speaker 1: It would be my observation as well that the Syrian
27:31
Speaker 1: Observatory for Human Rights has always downplayed the atrocities of
27:34
Speaker 1: these people over the years. So the Latist report on
27:39
Speaker 1: the BBC is that more than a thousand people have
27:41
Speaker 1: been killed in the past two days. So you know,
27:45
Speaker 1: on the fair assumption and it is a fair assumption
27:48
Speaker 1: that they are again downplaying, then that also reinforces the
27:52
Speaker 1: kinds of numbers that you're talking about. It is atrocious.
27:56
Speaker 1: But I suppose one of the things that a lot
27:58
Speaker 1: of people won't understand still is why, because they have
28:03
Speaker 1: this perception of Islam being a cohesive thing, why these
28:09
Speaker 1: states you're talking about were so determined to get rid
28:12
Speaker 1: of Asad and why they would be supporting this behavior
28:17
Speaker 1: at the moment.
28:18
Speaker 2: Because all of these states, which are the incubators for
28:23
Speaker 2: Wahabism and for Ichwan, the Muslim Brotherhood ideologies, not only
28:29
Speaker 2: did they have geopolitical interests inside Syria. I mean, one
28:33
Speaker 2: of the reasons that the war was waged against Syria
28:36
Speaker 2: was because President Brashala said turned down the Katari Turkish
28:41
Speaker 2: oil pipeline in favor of the Russian Iranian partnership, and
28:48
Speaker 2: so Katar saw the overthrow of the Syrian government as
28:51
Speaker 2: potential for let's say, unification of the Muslim Brotherhood elements
28:56
Speaker 2: through Turkey and Kata inside Syria, all of these states
29:00
Speaker 2: also have been busy normalizing with Israel. And that's another
29:06
Speaker 2: important factor in this because while HTS have basically enabled
29:11
Speaker 2: and facilitated the Zionist expansion into Syria from the early
29:19
Speaker 2: days of the takeover, when we know that Israel bond
29:22
Speaker 2: basically all of Syria's capability, military capability, defence capability, its
29:28
Speaker 2: air defense, its radio systems, its navy, and removed Siria's
29:33
Speaker 2: ability to both defend itself and also to wage any
29:38
Speaker 2: kind of campaign against the Zionist expansionist movement. At the
29:43
Speaker 2: same time, while these massacres are being conducted against Syrians
29:48
Speaker 2: by HS, Israel is advancing. In the last forty eight hours.
29:52
Speaker 2: It's advanced further to the north of Dada, which is
29:56
Speaker 2: south of Damascus. We talked on Wednesday or UK column
30:00
Speaker 2: about the Zionist agenda to basically link territory from the
30:06
Speaker 2: south up the eastern border of Syria into link with
30:10
Speaker 2: the Kurdish separatisfactions that are considered to be to some
30:14
Speaker 2: degree a settler movement on behalf of Israel and eventually
30:19
Speaker 2: to be able to reach the Euphrates River in Iraq,
30:23
Speaker 2: which is part of the Greater Israel project. And so
30:28
Speaker 2: while HTS is waging this war backed by the Gulf
30:32
Speaker 2: states that have either already normalized with Israel or in
30:37
Speaker 2: the process of doing so, as in the case of
30:40
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, Israel is expanding into Syria and taking control
30:44
Speaker 2: of more territory, more towns, more villages in the south
30:48
Speaker 2: and is not being hindered in any way by HTS.
30:53
Speaker 2: In fact, I mean the recent statements by Jolani condemning
30:57
Speaker 2: the Israeli occupation of Syrian territory our empty, hollow rhetoric,
31:03
Speaker 2: because in effect, HDS has since twenty eleven been another
31:09
Speaker 2: proxy of Israel. We know that Israel has provided hospital treatment,
31:15
Speaker 2: it's been admitted that they provided weapons to the Free
31:18
Speaker 2: Syrian Army and to effectively al Qaeda affiliates in Syria.
31:24
Speaker 2: They have on occasion provided air cover and support for
31:29
Speaker 2: HDS operations, even during the battles to take over Damascus
31:33
Speaker 2: back in December. This is what they were doing, and
31:36
Speaker 2: prior to that, that's what they were doing. And so
31:39
Speaker 2: therefore the partnership between Israel and HDS has been very
31:42
Speaker 2: clear for a long time, and the partnership then extends
31:46
Speaker 2: into the garf states that have normalized with it Israel.
31:48
Speaker 1: We started off talking about the mainstream tradition Western media's
31:55
Speaker 1: coverage of this. What has happened to SANA that's a
31:58
Speaker 1: Syrian Arab news agency since the change of government, Have
32:02
Speaker 1: they also had a change of personnel?
32:04
Speaker 2: Yes, of course. I mean there's been a huge laying
32:08
Speaker 2: off of staff, particularly from the minority sectors of Syrians
32:15
Speaker 2: on the coast and so on. So while HTS came
32:19
Speaker 2: into presumably repair all of the economic damage that was
32:25
Speaker 2: done to the Syrian government through sanctions and war and
32:29
Speaker 2: so on, the reality is situation is worse, and so
32:33
Speaker 2: now it's no different the staff that were pro government,
32:37
Speaker 2: let's say, or were pro Syria. You know, many of
32:41
Speaker 2: these stuff were not necessarily pro SAD or pro the
32:45
Speaker 2: Syrian government. They had reservations about the Syrian government and
32:50
Speaker 2: the corruption and so on, but they were against the
32:55
Speaker 2: HTS project, the Western bag HTS project. But now all
33:00
Speaker 2: those staff have either been removed or killed and have
33:03
Speaker 2: been replaced with staff that are either too terrified to
33:07
Speaker 2: speak out, which is ironic as that was the accusation
33:11
Speaker 2: levied at the Syrian government prior to December twenty twenty
33:15
Speaker 2: four that there was no freedom of speech, that people
33:17
Speaker 2: couldn't criticize the government, which was entirely untrue. I lived
33:21
Speaker 2: in Syria for the last five years. I can categorically
33:25
Speaker 2: tell you that every taxi driver, every chaosk vendor, everyone
33:32
Speaker 2: would be criticizing the government in one way or another publicly,
33:36
Speaker 2: and yet now they can't. And so therefore the staff
33:39
Speaker 2: of Sunnah, the Syrian Arab news agency, our following a narrative,
33:43
Speaker 2: and the narrative, of course, is aligned with the HTS narrative,
33:47
Speaker 2: which I have to say is being managed by the
33:50
Speaker 2: MI six predominantly as it always has been. And the
33:55
Speaker 2: fact that you do have individuals like Rory Stuart and
33:59
Speaker 2: Alistair Campbell, who basically provided the spin for war criminals
34:05
Speaker 2: like Tony Blair are now they're spinning HTS and presenting
34:10
Speaker 2: them as a legitimate government in Syria without condemning what
34:16
Speaker 2: they're doing. And funny how these same individuals have gone
34:20
Speaker 2: owfully quiet right.
34:21
Speaker 1: Now, aside from yourself, who do people go to to get,
34:25
Speaker 1: you know, accurate information about what's going on? Because I mean,
34:29
Speaker 1: we can't, of course underestimate how hard it is for
34:33
Speaker 1: people that are there and how hard it is to
34:35
Speaker 1: get real information from the from the you know, from
34:40
Speaker 1: that situation, Yeah.
34:42
Speaker 2: I mean it is extremely difficult. There are some very
34:45
Speaker 2: good channels on telegram. What I might do, Mike, is
34:49
Speaker 2: to compile a list. Many of them are Arabic, but
34:52
Speaker 2: you can on telegram. You have translate into English function,
34:57
Speaker 2: so you can follow them quite easily. And there are
35:02
Speaker 2: a number of ex accounts that are trying to do
35:06
Speaker 2: their best to disseminate the A trustees that are being committed.
35:11
Speaker 2: I'm hoping I will also do a report on Wednesday
35:14
Speaker 2: on what's going on. It's not it is very distressing viewing.
35:19
Speaker 2: I'm not going to downplay that. It's not pleasant, but
35:23
Speaker 2: you know, how many more slaughters do we have to
35:25
Speaker 2: sit through before we actually hold our own regimes accountable
35:31
Speaker 2: for this? Mike? You know, the British government, successive governments,
35:35
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter whether it's Starmer or Boris Johnson or
35:39
Speaker 2: David Cameron, they're all responsible for this, and they're all
35:44
Speaker 2: continuing to be responsible for it, and they have to
35:47
Speaker 2: be held account you know, it's we've sat through how
35:52
Speaker 2: many months of a Palestinian genocide are we going to
35:56
Speaker 2: sit through? Another five six months of a Syrian side
36:00
Speaker 2: of minorities, because that's what it is. It's a systematic
36:04
Speaker 2: ethnic cleansing of anyone belonging to a particular sect and
36:10
Speaker 2: to any sect that doesn't comply with this backward extremist,
36:15
Speaker 2: fanatic ideology, which has nothing to do with Islam. I
36:19
Speaker 2: really want to reiterate that for people that are listening,
36:22
Speaker 2: this has nothing to do with the rising Islamophobia which
36:26
Speaker 2: is being again orchestrated in the UK and in the
36:29
Speaker 2: EU and even in the US. This is not Islam.
36:34
Speaker 2: This is a distorted version of Islam that originated with
36:38
Speaker 2: the British, and you know, we have to really keep
36:42
Speaker 2: that in mind when we're viewing what is going on.
36:46
Speaker 2: Muslims generally across all branches and sects of Islam, do
36:53
Speaker 2: not condone what is happening. They are under threat. There
36:59
Speaker 2: Islam is under threat from this fanaticism. And this fanaticism,
37:05
Speaker 2: of course, is coming in also from abroad. It's coming
37:07
Speaker 2: in from the Wigas, it's coming in from the Churchens,
37:11
Speaker 2: it's coming in from European countries of course, where these
37:16
Speaker 2: extremist elements have not only been welcomed when they come
37:20
Speaker 2: in as refugees from inside Syria, but also among radicalized
37:25
Speaker 2: communities that are being radicalized both by the Gulf states
37:28
Speaker 2: but also by the intelligence agencies within those countries in
37:32
Speaker 2: order to then send them to fight. So GORGI heard
37:37
Speaker 2: in whatever country they're looking to destabilize or occupy by proxy.
37:43
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, we can publish all of
37:47
Speaker 2: the channels that are publishing credible information. I do have
37:52
Speaker 2: to put in the caveat that it's very difficult at
37:54
Speaker 2: the moment. Most people inside Syria are terrified to speaker.
37:59
Speaker 2: It's very hard even for me to get confirmation of
38:03
Speaker 2: some of the stories that are circulating. So bear that
38:07
Speaker 2: in mind. But nevertheless, it's happening, and there is enough
38:11
Speaker 2: hard evidence out there now to justify my saying the
38:16
Speaker 2: numbers are in their thousands, not in their hundreds, And
38:19
Speaker 2: I think, really yes, spreading and sharing the information is
38:23
Speaker 2: incredibly important, but holding your government representative, your local representative,
38:28
Speaker 2: to account is even more important. They have to be
38:31
Speaker 2: made aware that you're aware and that you candemn what
38:35
Speaker 2: is happening, and you candemn their silence, and the same
38:38
Speaker 2: with the media. They have to be held account. You know,
38:42
Speaker 2: everyone is very quick to come to us and to
38:46
Speaker 2: criticize our reporting or to hold his account for perhaps
38:50
Speaker 2: not covering the story that they want to see covered. Right,
38:55
Speaker 2: but hold the BBC, hold Channel four, hold and then
39:00
Speaker 2: hold all of these media outlets who are effectively responsible
39:05
Speaker 2: for the slaughter that is now happening inside Syria.
39:08
Speaker 1: You're right, we do get criticism for not covering this
39:11
Speaker 1: topic or that topic or the other topic. What we
39:14
Speaker 1: don't get criticism for is for lying about the topics
39:19
Speaker 1: that we do cover. Now, the difference here is that
39:23
Speaker 1: the BBC, Channel four and other mainstream media are lying
39:28
Speaker 1: about what is going on. They're lying by misrepresenting the
39:31
Speaker 1: people that are carrying out these atrocities. They are and
39:37
Speaker 1: by a mission. So you know, if people criticize us
39:42
Speaker 1: for not covering topic X, Y and Z, fine, but
39:47
Speaker 1: don't forget that whatever we do cover, we cover to
39:52
Speaker 1: the best of our ability, and truthfully, that is somewhat
39:56
Speaker 1: different from what mainstream press is doing. And that is
39:59
Speaker 1: why I absolutely reinforce what you're saying, we need to
40:03
Speaker 1: hold the mainstream press to account. Now, one of the problem.
40:07
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and express this as best I can,
40:10
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that this is going to come across
40:13
Speaker 1: as a bit off for some who may be listening
40:16
Speaker 1: to this. But part of the reason that I think
40:20
Speaker 1: that people aren't engaging with this topic in the way
40:24
Speaker 1: that it needs to be engaged with is because of
40:27
Speaker 1: this idea that people have that all of Islam is
40:33
Speaker 1: you know, aggressive and wants to cut off our heads
40:36
Speaker 1: in this kind of thing. This is a narrative that
40:39
Speaker 1: is reinforced to a large degree by the same media
40:43
Speaker 1: and by also other voices in politics that perhaps cover
40:50
Speaker 1: other topics in a good way, and therefore they what
40:53
Speaker 1: they say about Islam is accepted. But we have to
40:59
Speaker 1: understand that what we're witnessing and what has been going
41:02
Speaker 1: on with Islam for decades, one hundred years maybe is
41:07
Speaker 1: a deep state operation. And you know, when I was
41:10
Speaker 1: talking to Carl zab the Weager situation the other day
41:15
Speaker 1: on that discussion, and he was talking about how radical
41:19
Speaker 1: Islam was a creation of, you know, the deep state
41:23
Speaker 1: of the CIA in the case of Afghanistan and so on.
41:27
Speaker 1: Because it is a deep state operation, we have to
41:30
Speaker 1: be very careful about getting an understanding of what is
41:33
Speaker 1: actually going on and what staggers me is that people
41:37
Speaker 1: will be up in arms about a deep state run
41:42
Speaker 1: false flag in the West which may have killed twenty
41:46
Speaker 1: or thirty people, and it's being described as being some
41:49
Speaker 1: form of Islamic attack on the West, while at the
41:53
Speaker 1: same time people that we have indoctrinated, funded and armed
42:00
Speaker 1: and helped be in a place are massacring thousands in
42:05
Speaker 1: that place, and somehow that's acceptable, but the twenty or
42:08
Speaker 1: thirty that get killed in the West is unacceptable. And
42:11
Speaker 1: yet it's the same hands behind both operations. Until people
42:18
Speaker 1: get to grips with that and understand that there's something
42:21
Speaker 1: else going on and that actually they're worry about Islam
42:25
Speaker 1: itself as a thing is not justified in or rather
42:30
Speaker 1: their their lack of willingness to engage with this topic
42:34
Speaker 1: is not justified by some concern about Islam as a thing.
42:41
Speaker 1: People have got to get to grips with this, and
42:42
Speaker 1: they got to get to grips with what is actually
42:44
Speaker 1: going on and who is behind it, and recognize that
42:48
Speaker 1: our tax dollars are being used to create these issues
42:52
Speaker 1: in the world, and to set aside whatever their thoughts
42:57
Speaker 1: about Islam in general are and stick to the specifics
43:01
Speaker 1: of what's going on I think that is something that
43:04
Speaker 1: people need to do.
43:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I absolutely agree with you, and we've discussed.
43:08
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've expressed that very well.
43:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, No, it's absolutely clear, and I mean it's
43:14
Speaker 2: very much what I've been saying in this conversation but
43:17
Speaker 2: also previously on the UK column when we've you know,
43:21
Speaker 2: tried to address the rising backlash against Muslim communities in
43:28
Speaker 2: the UK and in the EU and in the US.
43:32
Speaker 2: Is that and you know, this is what is so
43:35
Speaker 2: important to say. If you're going to consider yourself as
43:38
Speaker 2: a victim of what you perceive to be Islam, you
43:43
Speaker 2: have to understand that the Muslims, the majority of Muslims,
43:48
Speaker 2: are also a victim of this version of Islam, because
43:54
Speaker 2: it's not that Islam that they want to identify with.
44:00
Speaker 2: It has been midwife by the British and weaponized by
44:06
Speaker 2: the British for decades, particularly inside Syria. I've written about
44:11
Speaker 2: the seventy five years of CIA and MI six interference
44:17
Speaker 2: in the internal affairs of Syria, the weaponization of the
44:23
Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood against various governments in Syria that were not
44:27
Speaker 2: compliant with the Western agenda, and it goes back way
44:31
Speaker 2: before half Azala said, by the way, it goes back
44:34
Speaker 2: to the inception of Muslim brotherhood by the hand of
44:39
Speaker 2: the British in the region in order to disrupt and
44:43
Speaker 2: sectarianize if I can make that a verb, the Pan
44:48
Speaker 2: Arabic movement and to create the divisions they need to
44:54
Speaker 2: partition the Middle East along the kind of sych speaker
44:58
Speaker 2: clean break doctrine in Zionist Greater Israel plans. Right, there
45:05
Speaker 2: are weapons, just as COVID was a weapon in the
45:08
Speaker 2: hands of the deep State, just as nine to eleven
45:11
Speaker 2: was a weapon in the hands of the deep State
45:14
Speaker 2: in order to initiate the so called global War on Terror,
45:18
Speaker 2: during which terror has grown exponentially. I mean, you know,
45:24
Speaker 2: this is the thing, like is people, I think, and
45:28
Speaker 2: you know, I don't really like speculating about how people
45:31
Speaker 2: read narratives or are affected by narratives, but I think
45:35
Speaker 2: they allow themselves to be driven by an emotional narrative.
45:39
Speaker 2: The media and the deep State, and the media is
45:42
Speaker 2: an extension of the deep State, know exactly how to
45:44
Speaker 2: trigger and to push the buttons. They know how to
45:47
Speaker 2: influence behavior, and that's what's happening.
45:49
Speaker 1: Just an example, an email that's just come in to
45:53
Speaker 1: me with headlines like UK's rabbit Islamization the silent transformation on.
46:00
Speaker 1: It gets better because later on in the email it
46:03
Speaker 1: says also the attached if this isn't frightening, what is?
46:07
Speaker 1: And the headline is Islam and has access to UK's
46:10
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons.
46:12
Speaker 2: I mean this is yeah, but what about the Zionist
46:15
Speaker 2: capture of the UK? Mean you know this is it.
46:18
Speaker 2: They're getting distracted from what is the real issue into
46:22
Speaker 2: something that isn't even an issue, or if it is
46:25
Speaker 2: an issue, it's being manufactured. It's being orchestrated by the
46:30
Speaker 2: deep state that has orchestrated these events for decades. But
46:35
Speaker 2: people forget that connection. The Muslims in Syria are fighting
46:40
Speaker 2: a war against a deep state construct from the UK.
46:46
Speaker 2: That's as clear as I can make it. And by
46:48
Speaker 2: the way, it's not only the Muslims. Maronite Christians have
46:51
Speaker 2: been slaughtered in the last three days. Christians from all communities,
46:55
Speaker 2: from Catholic, from Orthodox, Greek, Malachite, Evangelical, Presbyterian are at risk.
47:04
Speaker 2: And Christians, by the way, our government has been ethnically
47:09
Speaker 2: cleansing Christians by proxy for decades. Why because they want
47:14
Speaker 2: the Christians out of the region so they can make
47:16
Speaker 2: this a full on sectarian war between the extremeist fanatic
47:23
Speaker 2: factions that they created, they helped create, and they fund
47:27
Speaker 2: and they legitimize through their media outlets against those Muslims
47:34
Speaker 2: that are resisting this takeover by these I don't know
47:38
Speaker 2: how else to describe them forces of darkness, and that
47:42
Speaker 2: may sound melodramatic, but that's effectively what they are. Who
47:46
Speaker 2: is responsible for the organ trafficking, for the harvesting of children,
47:51
Speaker 2: for the production of false chemical weapon attacks that actually
47:55
Speaker 2: used the bodies of children, half drugged children in to
48:01
Speaker 2: produce what are effectively snuff videos to swim public opinion
48:07
Speaker 2: against the Syrian government and its allies in Syria. This
48:10
Speaker 2: is the level of nefariousness and evil that we're dealing with,
48:17
Speaker 2: and if we buy into these narratives, we're effectively supporting
48:20
Speaker 2: and facilitating that evil that is being permeated by our government,
48:26
Speaker 2: by world governments against innocent populations, whether it's innocent populations
48:32
Speaker 2: in the UK or innocent populations in the Middle East
48:36
Speaker 2: or West Asia, in Syria in particular right now. And
48:40
Speaker 2: that's what we have to bear in mind. The Syrians
48:42
Speaker 2: are no different to us Mike. They want to send
48:46
Speaker 2: their kids to school, They want the best for their children,
48:50
Speaker 2: They want their children to grow up in a safe environment.
48:53
Speaker 2: Why did the majority of Muslims come to the UK
48:56
Speaker 2: and to the EU because our governments were bombing their
48:59
Speaker 2: countries making it impossible for them to live in those countries.
49:04
Speaker 2: The sanctions against Iraq killed how many five hundred thousand children?
49:08
Speaker 2: We're responsible for whatever exodus is happening in these countries,
49:15
Speaker 2: whether it's Christian, whether it's Muslim, regardless. And it's funny
49:20
Speaker 2: how the Christians are given easy access to countries outside
49:24
Speaker 2: the Middle East, by the way, which is part of
49:27
Speaker 2: the ethnic cleansing program.
49:29
Speaker 1: And it's that that I find the most seconding part
49:33
Speaker 1: of this whole anti Islam movement in the UK, because
49:38
Speaker 1: we were saying at the time, if this war goes ahead,
49:43
Speaker 1: there's going to be migration happens, But nobody stood up
49:47
Speaker 1: and said, don't have the war. In fact, quite the opposite.
49:50
Speaker 2: Not the war. Yeah, exactly exactly where were those people
49:56
Speaker 2: when the wars were happening. I haven't seen a major
50:00
Speaker 2: against a UK or an is CIA led intervention by
50:06
Speaker 2: proxy or directly militarily in the Middle East since Iraq,
50:12
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. Where are those people marching? Where
50:17
Speaker 2: are those people trying to stop a war against Syria
50:22
Speaker 2: that has led to what we're seeing right now, the
50:25
Speaker 2: problem of immigration, the problem of radical elements now embedded
50:30
Speaker 2: in European countries and in the UK, those same radical
50:35
Speaker 2: elements that were actually an asset of the UK. I
50:39
Speaker 2: keep saying this sadidcon in twenty sixteen offered them amnesty
50:43
Speaker 2: to come back to the UK. He actually opened the
50:46
Speaker 2: doors to al Qaeda Brits to come back to the UK.
50:51
Speaker 2: So who is responsible for this?
50:54
Speaker 1: Indeed, and they tried to use Shimaima Begum as some
50:58
Speaker 1: kind of cover for that by by keeping while all
51:03
Speaker 1: these other people back.
51:04
Speaker 2: Also, while they trafficked her Mike, they trafficked her out
51:09
Speaker 2: of the country to go to Syria as an Isis bride,
51:13
Speaker 2: So they were actually responsible for that. It's disgusting how
51:16
Speaker 2: now they're revoking her British citizenship while she's rotting in
51:22
Speaker 2: one of the Isis camps with her children in inside Syria,
51:26
Speaker 2: which are being funded. By the way those camps are
51:28
Speaker 2: being funded by the UK. People may not be aware
51:31
Speaker 2: of that, but the UK is actually funding the camps
51:34
Speaker 2: that are holding more than fifteen thousand ISIS fighters and
51:37
Speaker 2: their families. Why is that? Why are British resources going
51:41
Speaker 2: to the funding of holding camps and they're holding camps,
51:45
Speaker 2: they're not prisons because those ISIS fighters are being circulated
51:49
Speaker 2: in the region to carry out operations on behalf of
51:52
Speaker 2: the US and the UK. That's where people should be
51:55
Speaker 2: directing their anger, not against innocent Muslims and Muslim communities
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Speaker 2: in the UK. They should be directing their anger against
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Speaker 2: their own government and agencies and including the media that
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Speaker 2: have basically enabled and facilitated the return of radical elements
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Speaker 2: to the UK order to de stabilize the UK and
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Speaker 2: to destabilize the EU.
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Speaker 1: We are pretty much out of time. What would be
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Speaker 1: your final comment on what's going on at the moment
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Speaker 1: and what would you like to see people doing at
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Speaker 1: this stage? I mean, maybe we've covered this already, but
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Speaker 1: just just end the program with some final comments I think.
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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, first of all, identify the channels. I
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Speaker 2: will send a series of links to Mike to include
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Speaker 2: in the show notes and share the information. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you can go to my accounts on x and on Telegram.
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Speaker 2: You know at the very least and share what I'm
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Speaker 2: sharing that I have generally managed to verify. But at
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Speaker 2: the same time, the most important thing is to really
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Speaker 2: go for the jugg dealer of your governmental representatives, of
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Speaker 2: members of the government, of the UN, of human rights organizations,
53:20
Speaker 2: of the BBC, of Channel four that are again starting
53:24
Speaker 2: to rejuvenate the narratives. The Channel four in particular was
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Speaker 2: promulgating about the Syrian government and so hold them to account.
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Speaker 2: You know, it can't be only up to independent media
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Speaker 2: outlets like UK column to do this. We don't have
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Speaker 2: the resources. We need the public resources. We need you
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Speaker 2: to actually do something to stop this. We can't sit
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Speaker 2: through another slaughter, another sectarian massacre that is being done
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Speaker 2: under the radar because your government, your media, your UN agencies,
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Speaker 2: human rights organizations are saying nothing. They are criminally responsible
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Speaker 2: for what is currently happening, for the absolute slaughter that
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Speaker 2: is going on, for the mass graves. They'll always point
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Speaker 2: the fingers at the enemies or the perceived enemies of
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Speaker 2: the UK regime. Whether it's Russia, whether it's Syria under
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Speaker 2: the previous Syrian government, it doesn't matter. They'll hitlerize anyone
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Speaker 2: that doesn't comply with their foreign policy. But when it
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Speaker 2: comes to actual massacres that are being done by their
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Speaker 2: own proxies, by their own assets in another country, silence
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Speaker 2: and where responsible for raising our voices against that? All
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Speaker 2: of us, every single one of us. And I can't
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Speaker 2: remember the quote that you came up with once might
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Speaker 2: but if one person said, out of of how many millions,
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Speaker 2: what can I do? If millions raise their voices, we
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Speaker 2: can do something and it doesn't take much. It might
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Speaker 2: save a life. It might save the next trial that's
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Speaker 2: about to be beheaded or slaughtered or executed, or tortured
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Speaker 2: or trafficked or have their organs taken from them. That's
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Speaker 2: how serious it is. Right now, you can save.
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Speaker 1: A life, Vanessa, I'm going to say thank you very
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Speaker 1: much for that today. I mean, just to end. There
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Speaker 1: will be, of course, people that will find some of
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Speaker 1: what we said today challenging because the challenges their view
55:37
Speaker 1: of what is going on in the West, never mind
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Speaker 1: what's going on in the Middle East. I would just
55:42
Speaker 1: urge everybody to think carefully about it, to try to
55:44
Speaker 1: appreciate the deep state operations that have been running, which
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Speaker 1: may not only be affecting events in the Middle East,
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Speaker 1: but maybe also affecting our own view of the world
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Speaker 1: and a view of what's going on around us, and
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Speaker 1: to as you say, get involved in pulling the lid
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Speaker 1: off this. You know, we have not yet you and
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Speaker 1: I gone into any depth on the trafficking and the
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Speaker 1: organ trafficking aspect of this, but this is something that
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Speaker 1: we've seen from Ukraine. It's something that we've seen from
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Speaker 1: Syria since twenty eleven, and I think that is an
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Speaker 1: area that we do need to touch on. It is
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Speaker 1: really dark, but it has to be done. All of
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Speaker 1: this has to stop just because the people that are
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Speaker 1: being tortured and killed in the country. As horrible as
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Speaker 1: that is, that is in fact only part of the story.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and people can go. I've been sharing on Excellent
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Speaker 2: Telegram some of the archive of my past work on
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Speaker 2: the White Helmet, involvement in or certainly they're accused of
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Speaker 2: being involved in organ harvesting, child trafficking, and there is
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Speaker 2: a huge archive of my work of UK column work
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Speaker 2: in collaboration with UK Column on the White Helmets, the Six,
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Speaker 2: involvement in their creation, their affiliation with al Qaeda, their
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Speaker 2: involvement in the chemical attacks, false flags that doctor Piers
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Speaker 2: Robinson has covered extensively, also again in collaboration with UK column.
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Speaker 2: It's well worth going back and Mike we could We've
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Speaker 2: already got a page on the White Helmets right but
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if it's worth putting out some of the
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Speaker 2: more relevant articles so people can easily find them right now,
57:31
Speaker 2: because of course the White Helmets are again involved in
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Speaker 2: mopping up the al Qaeda operations and that for me
57:38
Speaker 2: ultimately means that they're also involved again in the more
57:42
Speaker 2: nefarious activities that of course we saw also in former Yugoslavia.
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Speaker 2: The founder of the White Helmets, James Lemasurer, who was
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Speaker 2: British military intelligence, was involved in the transformation of the
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Speaker 2: Cost four Liberation Army, which was a mix of al
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Speaker 2: Qaeda and Albanians who were at the time involved in
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Speaker 2: cross border organ trafficking operations, when the Measurer was involved
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Speaker 2: in transforming them into a more acceptable cross of over
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Speaker 2: security cores, and he then carried that transformation and that
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Speaker 2: project forward into Syria when he created the White Helmets.
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Speaker 2: So I think it's you know, again we're at a
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Speaker 2: stage where it's important for people who maybe missed that
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Speaker 2: history that we covered for it to be rejuvenated and
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Speaker 2: put back out there for people to fully understand what
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Speaker 2: we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: We'll leave it there for today. Thank you very much
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Speaker 1: for joining me Vanessa tragic circumstances. We will be back
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Speaker 1: very soon, so thank you.