Latest / Frightmares / Ep. 405 - Superstition (1982)
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- 0:10Speaker 1: is Hunter. In this podcast, I'll be joined by a
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- 0:15Speaker 1: or TV show. I've been a fan of classic Westerns
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- 0:20Speaker 1: they've become very nostalgic for me. I love the aesthetic,
- 0:23Speaker 1: the tropes, and I love seeing different filmmakers' takes on them.
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- 0:59Speaker 3: excessive foul language. Viewer discretion is advised.
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- 1:45Speaker 2: Welcome back to Frighteners Podcast. I'm your host, Austin Proctor,
- 1:48Speaker 2: and joining me today for episode 405 is my good friend,
- 1:51Speaker 2: Derek Ferreira. What's up, dude?
- 1:54Speaker 3: No, not much.
- 1:55Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just, it's a day. It's a day of
- 1:59Speaker 2: the week.
- 2:00Speaker 3: Maybe, maybe too much. I don't know.
- 2:02Speaker 2: Maybe all the things, everything, everywhere, all at once, basically,
- 2:06Speaker 2: is what we're trying to say here. Today on another
- 2:09Speaker 2: installment of Warlocktober's Hex, we're discussing our international pick Superstition
- 2:13Speaker 2: from 1982, a movie that clearly saw scanners the year
- 2:18Speaker 2: prior to this and was like a head explosion in
- 2:21Speaker 2: 12 minutes. We can do better than that. Let's see
- 2:23Speaker 2: where this lands on the Nightmare Index. All right, Derek,
- 2:32Speaker 2: what have we been watching? If we have been watching anything.
- 2:36Speaker 3: I don't know. A lot of Friday the 13th because
- 2:39Speaker 3: it's there. But it's all the TV cut because I've
- 2:42Speaker 3: been watching them through YouTube out of pure laziness.
- 2:44Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
- 2:45Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's kind of reminiscent of when I was
- 2:48Speaker 3: a kid watching them. I've watched Ice Cream Man. I've
- 2:51Speaker 3: watched a lot of older things. Black Roses. Decoys. What's
- 2:58Speaker 3: Black Roses? Black Roses is a heavy metal horror kind
- 3:04Speaker 3: of reminiscent of Trick or Treat. Just an alien.
- 3:08Speaker 2: I think I've seen this.
- 3:09Speaker 3: I have. Yeah. Okay.
- 3:11Speaker 2: I think Jason, I think Jason recommended this one to me.
- 3:14Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 3:14Speaker 2: I gave it a three out of five. Yes. I
- 3:16Speaker 2: remember that.
- 3:17Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 3:17Speaker 2: I cannot forget.
- 3:19Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 3:19Speaker 2: That's why I know it. Cause that poster.
- 3:21Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 3:21Speaker 2: That's, that's a deep cut for sure. Is it, where'd you,
- 3:24Speaker 2: is that one streaming? Is it on YouTube? Where's that
- 3:26Speaker 2: one at?
- 3:26Speaker 3: Oh, it's on shutter.
- 3:27Speaker 2: Oh, it's on shutter. Look at them. Good for them.
- 3:30Speaker 3: All right.
- 3:31Speaker 2: What else?
- 3:32Speaker 3: That's a, and that's something that could really use a,
- 3:36Speaker 3: an upgrade because apparently it got put out by synapse
- 3:38Speaker 3: but only on dvd or yeah was it synapse yeah
- 3:43Speaker 3: one of those fucking companies.
- 3:44Speaker 2: I was gonna say this definitely feels like a synapse
- 3:47Speaker 2: or a severin for sure so uh.
- 3:49Speaker 3: Yeah i re-watched it and then was like oh yeah
- 3:53Speaker 3: okay i did really like this or you know moderately
- 3:56Speaker 3: like i don't know the threes are weird for me
- 3:59Speaker 3: because it's like the whatever Uh, but yeah, so I
- 4:02Speaker 3: went to look to see if it had a Blu-ray
- 4:04Speaker 3: and we were getting nothing. So I was like, oh,
- 4:07Speaker 3: and I don't know. I synapse my memory. Okay. It
- 4:12Speaker 3: was synapse. Yeah.
- 4:13Speaker 2: DVD synapse from damn. They released that in 2007. We
- 4:18Speaker 2: are like way overdue.
- 4:20Speaker 3: For way overdue.
- 4:22Speaker 2: Yeah. No Blu-ray for the U S what about, what
- 4:25Speaker 2: if I do all countries? Uh, it looks like there
- 4:28Speaker 2: was one, was that Indonesia? Wow. Okay. Oh, German. German, yeah.
- 4:34Speaker 2: They always get the most random stuff that we don't get. Bastards.
- 4:38Speaker 2: But yeah, Black Roses. Fun time. Definitely recommend that one. Also,
- 4:42Speaker 2: trick or treat. And while you're at it, throw Deathgasm
- 4:46Speaker 2: in there. Fuck it.
- 4:47Speaker 3: You know, funny enough, when I just posted my review,
- 4:50Speaker 3: or edited and posted my review for Black Roses, the
- 4:53Speaker 3: two movies that I said, if you like this or that,
- 4:56Speaker 3: were Trick or Treat and Deathgasm. Boom.
- 4:59Speaker 2: Okay.
- 5:00Speaker 3: Good throw. But other than that, I honestly, I don't
- 5:04Speaker 3: fucking remember what I've watched.
- 5:05Speaker 2: So lucky for me, I am obsessive with, you know,
- 5:12Speaker 2: rating and reviewing all this shit. So I have plenty
- 5:16Speaker 2: of stuff to talk about here. I recently watched the
- 5:19Speaker 2: Prowler for the first time and do need to give
- 5:23Speaker 2: it a rewatch because I was not in the best mood.
- 5:27Speaker 2: And I was kind of dozing in and out like, like,
- 5:30Speaker 2: you know, you know, that kind of just like where
- 5:31Speaker 2: you aren't sleeping, but every now and again you blink
- 5:34Speaker 2: and then you look up and it's been like a
- 5:35Speaker 2: couple minutes. So that's what was going on during the movie.
- 5:39Speaker 2: I still gave it a three and a half, but
- 5:41Speaker 2: I guess I just wanted to like it more, but
- 5:43Speaker 2: I also was not anywhere near the right state of mind.
- 5:47Speaker 3: No, I could be just that it is a three
- 5:49Speaker 3: and a half. Yeah. I think that's what I have
- 5:51Speaker 3: it rated as true. It could be, you know, ratings sometimes, man,
- 5:57Speaker 3: because I love The Prowler, but then I sit here
- 5:58Speaker 3: and say it's at a three and a half. It's
- 6:00Speaker 3: not a five-star movie. I still love it.
- 6:02Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, really anything that's three-star or above is
- 6:07Speaker 2: still a good movie, in my opinion, so I did
- 6:09Speaker 2: enjoy it. I mean, that was Tom Savini. That was
- 6:12Speaker 2: a Hooptober prompt for a film that Tom Savini worked on,
- 6:16Speaker 2: and I had never seen it. I mean, the slasher
- 6:19Speaker 2: himself is ten out of ten. That is such a
- 6:22Speaker 2: unique slasher look with the It's like, you know, was
- 6:26Speaker 2: it World War II or some fucking war? I don't know.
- 6:29Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe it was supposed to be.
- 6:31Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's great. And then, oh my God,
- 6:34Speaker 2: some of the effects. I mean, there's one point where
- 6:36Speaker 2: a knife goes through someone's head and then their eyes
- 6:39Speaker 2: turn like white. And I was like, this is, I mean,
- 6:42Speaker 2: it's Tom Savini. I mean, what should you expect other
- 6:45Speaker 2: than greatness? Then I watched for Hooptober, bad kid film.
- 6:51Speaker 2: I watched The Brood by David Cronenberg. This was probably
- 6:57Speaker 2: the most un-Cronenberg movie I've seen from him because, you know,
- 7:02Speaker 2: typically he's the body horror guy. And that's like his
- 7:05Speaker 2: big thing, especially in the 80s, early 90s. And this
- 7:08Speaker 2: was more like, we'll get to the body horror. Just
- 7:11Speaker 2: wait till the third act. And I was like, oh,
- 7:14Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my God, what is happening? Great film, though.
- 7:17Speaker 2: I mean, holy shit. This is it's Cronenberg. It's yet
- 7:21Speaker 2: another fucking director. that I just love. Well, I guess
- 7:25Speaker 2: Tom Savini is not a director, but nonetheless, another person
- 7:28Speaker 2: in the horror realm that I love.
- 7:29Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. He directed a movie. At least
- 7:33Speaker 3: he did night writers.
- 7:34Speaker 2: He did. Oh, wait, he did. Didn't he do the
- 7:36Speaker 2: remake of night, night of the living dead in 19
- 7:39Speaker 2: from 1990. Didn't he do that?
- 7:40Speaker 3: Am I, am I, I believe that's also accurate. Okay.
- 7:44Speaker 2: So, so then there you go. Another director. Yeah, this
- 7:46Speaker 2: was fantastic. It's so, it's so much more psychological than,
- 7:51Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed it. This is his, I think
- 7:53Speaker 2: it was his fourth movie because Shivers was 75. And
- 7:57Speaker 2: then he had something in 77, which, oh, Rabid in 77.
- 8:01Speaker 2: Something else in 79 that was like a drama sports movie.
- 8:05Speaker 2: And then this one. Yeah, I was like, okay, so
- 8:08Speaker 2: we did Shivers and then we did Rabid and then
- 8:10Speaker 2: we did Fast Company. That's what it's called. I was like,
- 8:13Speaker 2: and then we did The Brood. Something is out of
- 8:16Speaker 2: place here, but I really enjoy The Brood. Gave it
- 8:19Speaker 2: a four and a half. You can really see, because
- 8:22Speaker 2: his 70s work is a lot different than his 80s work.
- 8:25Speaker 2: And you can see how he's honing his craft in
- 8:29Speaker 2: the 70s, and then by the time Scanners comes around
- 8:31Speaker 2: in 1981, you're like, yeah, it's there. It's totally there.
- 8:34Speaker 3: Can I just throw out, I've never seen, I almost
- 8:37Speaker 3: said no Cronenberg. I've seen The Fly.
- 8:39Speaker 2: Okay.
- 8:41Speaker 3: And I saw Rabid so long ago, I don't remember
- 8:43Speaker 3: anything about it.
- 8:44Speaker 2: Rabid is definitely not my favorite. I still think it's good, but...
- 8:50Speaker 2: Are those the only two you've seen?
- 8:51Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I've never deep dived his stuff, bro.
- 8:56Speaker 2: I'd almost just say start from scanners because the man
- 9:00Speaker 2: has just a diabolical eighties run. So you have scanners
- 9:05Speaker 2: in 1981. Then you have videodrome in 1984, uh, the
- 9:10Speaker 2: dead zone, which I think is actually 1983.
- 9:13Speaker 3: Was it dead zone him? I have seen that. Okay. Yeah.
- 9:16Speaker 2: Then you have the fly. Then you have dead ringers
- 9:18Speaker 2: and then you have naked lunch. Crash and Existence. All
- 9:22Speaker 2: of those. I mean, literally, there's every single movie that
- 9:25Speaker 2: I just mentioned from Scanners to Crash is either a four,
- 9:29Speaker 2: four and a half, or a five for me. The
- 9:31Speaker 2: man does not miss. Even his later stuff, like A
- 9:34Speaker 2: History of Violence, Eastern Promises, those are good too. They're
- 9:37Speaker 2: just not horror movies, but I think they both star
- 9:40Speaker 2: Viggo Mortensen. Correct. They're more like crime kind of thrillery movies,
- 9:45Speaker 2: but Viggo is kicking some ass in A History of Violence.
- 9:47Speaker 2: I still need to see The Shrouds. That he did
- 9:50Speaker 2: from like last year. The year before. But I did
- 9:53Speaker 2: see Crimes of the Future. I don't know if you
- 9:55Speaker 2: remember Crimes of the Future. uh, or the hype behind it,
- 10:00Speaker 2: but I remember seeing like so many people.
- 10:03Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 10:03Speaker 2: So many people were throwing up in the theaters and
- 10:05Speaker 2: the third act is just so crazy. And me, I'm like, Oh, okay.
- 10:10Speaker 2: If people are throwing up at a Cronenberg movie, I like,
- 10:13Speaker 2: I've seen most of his work. This is going to
- 10:14Speaker 2: be crazy. So I had this expectation in my head
- 10:17Speaker 2: going into the movie and I was like, sure, that
- 10:20Speaker 2: was good, a third act, but I don't know why
- 10:23Speaker 2: people are throwing up. That's what I hate about hype
- 10:26Speaker 2: around movies sometimes, but that's a whole other discussion. So yeah,
- 10:28Speaker 2: definitely go down David Cronenberg's filmography because that man, he's
- 10:34Speaker 2: like so many directors I've mentioned lately on the podcast.
- 10:37Speaker 2: I just want to live in their head for like
- 10:38Speaker 2: a day and see what's going on in there because
- 10:41Speaker 2: I don't know where they come up with this shit.
- 10:43Speaker 2: Then I watched Other Mommy. I think I already talked
- 10:46Speaker 2: about that one. I think I already did. I don't know.
- 10:49Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. It was a fun time.
- 10:50Speaker 3: I was going to say, I saw that you gave
- 10:52Speaker 3: it a three and a half, and I was like, ooh,
- 10:53Speaker 3: Austin actually liked it.
- 10:55Speaker 2: It's a good jump scare movie. Someone said that it
- 10:58Speaker 2: has a jump scare every minute and a half, and
- 11:01Speaker 2: I don't think that person knows what a jump scare is,
- 11:04Speaker 2: because there's definitely not a jump scare every minute and
- 11:07Speaker 2: a half, unless I was just blissfully unaware.
- 11:12Speaker 3: That would be... Uh, that would be almost like impossible
- 11:17Speaker 3: to pull off, you know, hour and a half hour,
- 11:21Speaker 3: 40 minute long movie.
- 11:22Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going to watch it again and I'll, uh,
- 11:24Speaker 2: I will, uh, time it at some point, but yeah,
- 11:27Speaker 2: if someone was like, it's every minute and a half, whatever, uh,
- 11:30Speaker 2: another movie on the lines of like death chasm and stuff, uh,
- 11:33Speaker 2: the devil's candy. If you haven't seen that very heavy
- 11:36Speaker 2: metal movie with some fucking crazy shit going on in
- 11:40Speaker 2: that movie, highly recommend the devil's candy. not to be
- 11:44Speaker 2: confused with the devil's honey, which is a Lucio Fulci joint, uh,
- 11:48Speaker 2: completely different movies. Devil's candy, 2015. Uh, let's see. I
- 11:52Speaker 2: watched do, do, do all this stuff I've already talked about.
- 11:56Speaker 2: We're going through the Halloween franchise again, or at least
- 12:00Speaker 2: I am. Cause my wife told me, she was like,
- 12:02Speaker 2: you know, I haven't seen most of the Halloween movies.
- 12:05Speaker 2: And I looked at her and I was like, how
- 12:07Speaker 2: we've been together. This today is actually our anniversary. She's, uh,
- 12:11Speaker 2: laying down with the kiddo because the kiddo refuses to
- 12:13Speaker 2: sleep by herself for naps. So we've been together, married
- 12:17Speaker 2: for seven years. And I'm like, how have we not, how?
- 12:22Speaker 2: So we're going through all of them and we're going to,
- 12:24Speaker 2: she's ranking them as she goes along. We watched one, two,
- 12:28Speaker 2: she's already seen three. So we skipped that for now,
- 12:30Speaker 2: even though that's my favorite, we'll come back around. And
- 12:32Speaker 2: then we went from two to H2O for the Laurie Strode,
- 12:37Speaker 2: the original Laurie Strode timeline. Then we're going to do
- 12:39Speaker 2: Resurrection and And we're going to back it up and
- 12:41Speaker 2: do four, five, six, and then jump to the new ones.
- 12:45Speaker 2: Cause she's seen, or a jump to zombies too. Cause
- 12:48Speaker 2: she hasn't seen the second Rob zombie, which isn't the best,
- 12:51Speaker 2: but nonetheless.
- 12:52Speaker 3: No, it's not.
- 12:54Speaker 2: The director's cut, I will say is much better than
- 12:57Speaker 2: the theatrical cut, but, uh, yeah. I can admire what
- 13:02Speaker 2: he tried to go for. He didn't, he didn't want to,
- 13:05Speaker 2: he didn't want to make it like he did not
- 13:06Speaker 2: even want to make a Halloween too. He was kind
- 13:08Speaker 2: of forced to contractually or something like that. So he
- 13:11Speaker 2: kind of just did whatever the fuck you wanted. And
- 13:12Speaker 2: I kind of admire that in one way. So, um,
- 13:16Speaker 2: let's see, I watched whale fall in theaters with my,
- 13:19Speaker 2: with Spencer and I thought that was going to be
- 13:22Speaker 2: a horror movie. It's not labeled as a horror movie
- 13:25Speaker 2: and it completely wrecked me mentally. I was more worried
- 13:30Speaker 2: about Austin Abrams emotional state than I was the fact
- 13:33Speaker 2: he was inside of a whale.
- 13:36Speaker 3: That's fair. So many people have been like, Oh, a
- 13:39Speaker 3: new horror movie whale fall. And I'm like, this movie
- 13:42Speaker 3: is not a fucking horror movie. Why did people think
- 13:44Speaker 3: that just because big whale, I.
- 13:46Speaker 2: Mean, big whale and eaten, you know, and I was like,
- 13:49Speaker 2: it's this, I thought, but I looked it up before
- 13:51Speaker 2: we went. I was like, Oh, it's not a horror movie.
- 13:53Speaker 3: Okay.
- 13:54Speaker 2: So, but yeah, it's just, it's just really funny because
- 13:56Speaker 2: I almost forgot he was inside of a whale for
- 13:58Speaker 2: 90% of the movie, but he's going through a lot
- 14:01Speaker 2: of emotional things with his father and memories and stuff
- 14:05Speaker 2: like that. And I was like, I'm so concerned for
- 14:07Speaker 2: your mental state. I don't care that you're in a whale.
- 14:10Speaker 2: You'll figure it out.
- 14:11Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, I mean, I remember watching the trailer being like,
- 14:14Speaker 3: you know, this movie looks good, but like all these
- 14:17Speaker 3: content creators were like, oh yeah, check out this new
- 14:19Speaker 3: horror movie coming out. And I'm like, yeah, it's okay.
- 14:22Speaker 3: If you want to just talk movies with your content,
- 14:24Speaker 3: you don't have to make everything a horror movie.
- 14:27Speaker 2: Well, and some people, I know some people will just,
- 14:30Speaker 2: I go by what IMDB says.
- 14:32Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 14:32Speaker 2: That's just what I go by. I go by IMDB
- 14:34Speaker 2: or Letterboxd. If it's listed horror in one of those spots,
- 14:37Speaker 2: I'll consider it a horror movie. But some people are like,
- 14:40Speaker 2: I don't care what these things say. It's a horror movie.
- 14:42Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, well, I'm going by the
- 14:44Speaker 2: things that actually... Because IMDB and Letterboxd, whoever is putting
- 14:48Speaker 2: that information on there is usually part of the team
- 14:52Speaker 2: or whoever.
- 14:53Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
- 14:54Speaker 2: They are putting... It's not like IMDB is just self-categorizing
- 14:57Speaker 2: these movies. When I put my wife's short movie up
- 15:02Speaker 2: on TMDB because getting it on IMDB is a lot
- 15:05Speaker 2: more complicated. But when I put it up on TMDB,
- 15:08Speaker 2: you choose the genres. So if someone's putting that up
- 15:12Speaker 2: there and not calling it a horror movie, then it's
- 15:14Speaker 2: not a horror movie. I don't know. That was just
- 15:17Speaker 2: my opinion.
- 15:17Speaker 3: Fight me!
- 15:18Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking round two, fight. So that's just my opinion.
- 15:23Speaker 2: What else here? A couple more things, I think. Oh,
- 15:26Speaker 2: I saw a brand new movie called If It... God
- 15:29Speaker 2: damn it. I fucking, every time, if Casey Walker's listening
- 15:32Speaker 2: to this, he's going to be punching his face. And
- 15:36Speaker 2: it's just going to be like banging his head into
- 15:38Speaker 2: the table. I think it's called Itaqua. And it is
- 15:40Speaker 2: a drama, western, horror, thriller, all the above. And it
- 15:46Speaker 2: is coming out in February. And I had an interview
- 15:49Speaker 2: with him a couple days ago that'll be out at
- 15:51Speaker 2: the end of the month. And that movie was fucking
- 15:54Speaker 2: banana sandwich. It's got Luke Hemsworth in it. It's got
- 15:58Speaker 2: Oh God, I already forgot his name.
- 16:01Speaker 3: Oh God.
- 16:02Speaker 2: I know Aaron Poole is in it, but then the
- 16:03Speaker 2: other guy, oh my God, the guy I said that
- 16:05Speaker 2: was underrated that I can now not think of his name.
- 16:08Speaker 2: Let me pull that up because I feel terrible now.
- 16:11Speaker 2: I'm going to see it and be like, oh, yep,
- 16:13Speaker 2: Kevin Durant. There we go. Jesus Christ. So you've got
- 16:16Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, Luke Hemsworth, Aaron Poole. It is basically like
- 16:21Speaker 2: the Hateful Eight meets Ravenous meets The Ritual. I'll leave
- 16:25Speaker 2: it at that. It's crazy. It's got some Native American
- 16:27Speaker 2: folklore in there, all set in 1821 at a fur
- 16:31Speaker 2: trading post at Fort Thomas. Check that out when it releases,
- 16:36Speaker 2: because you're not going to want to miss that. And
- 16:38Speaker 2: then I thought I watched another new one. Oh, no,
- 16:41Speaker 2: me and the wife are going to see Wildwood tomorrow,
- 16:44Speaker 2: the new Laika Studios. Actually, first horror movie, because apparently
- 16:49Speaker 2: Paranorman is not, for some reason.
- 16:52Speaker 4: Um that's debatable regardless of what imdb that is one
- 16:58Speaker 4: where i could see somebody fighting you because yeah i
- 17:02Speaker 4: would fight for that.
- 17:03Speaker 2: It's literally called paranormal so what are we doing here
- 17:07Speaker 2: um let's see uh animation adventure comedy family fantasy mystery
- 17:13Speaker 2: that's like one where i'm like but there's zombies and there's,
- 17:18Speaker 2: there's a Halloween and a Michael Myers rep or, and
- 17:22Speaker 2: a Friday the 13th. What are we doing? There's ghosts.
- 17:26Speaker 3: What?
- 17:26Speaker 2: So that, that is one contradictory to what I just said, uh,
- 17:32Speaker 2: where I'm like, how did we not label this a
- 17:35Speaker 2: horror movie? It's called pair run Norman para paranormal. Okay.
- 17:40Speaker 2: I'm just whatever. But Wildwood has a 4.4 out of
- 17:45Speaker 2: 5 on Letterboxd, which is just crazy.
- 17:50Speaker 3: Did I get a trailer for that from Pixel Scene
- 17:52Speaker 3: Media and I'm forgetting?
- 17:52Speaker 2: I don't know. Probably. But it's 8.8 out of 10
- 17:59Speaker 2: on IMDb. It's also Leica Studios' longest movie at 2
- 18:04Speaker 2: hours 12 minutes.
- 18:06Speaker 3: Holy fuck.
- 18:07Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard they made over like 145,000 sculptures for
- 18:13Speaker 2: expressions and stuff like that. So definitely go check that out.
- 18:17Speaker 2: Support like a studios, please, because it takes them so
- 18:19Speaker 2: long to make movies, but they're also amazing. And they're
- 18:23Speaker 2: like the, it's true. They're like the only ones still
- 18:25Speaker 2: doing stop motion outside of the people who do Wallace
- 18:28Speaker 2: and Gromit and, uh, maybe a couple horror shorts here
- 18:31Speaker 2: and there, but check that out. Um, Oh, it's listed
- 18:35Speaker 2: as an animation and venture fantasy. What the fuck is okay.
- 18:38Speaker 2: Is my wife lying to me? She said it was
- 18:40Speaker 2: listed as a horror movie. This lady, I tell you what,
- 18:44Speaker 2: or maybe.
- 18:45Speaker 3: Sometimes Google will list things differently than IMDb though.
- 18:49Speaker 2: So if she just Googled it, animation, fantasy adventure, God
- 18:53Speaker 2: damn it. This woman's lying to me.
- 18:55Speaker 3: It's fine.
- 18:55Speaker 2: Still love you. Uh, all right. So I think that's
- 18:58Speaker 2: enough movie talk here. I am stocking my cameras outside
- 19:02Speaker 2: because I have a package being delivered, uh, between one
- 19:05Speaker 2: 45 and three 45. And of course that's, Oh, and
- 19:07Speaker 2: now it's raining too.
- 19:08Speaker 3: Even better.
- 19:09Speaker 2: Love that for me. All right, let's roll into the
- 19:12Speaker 2: body count here. All right, so this is Superstition from 1982,
- 19:21Speaker 2: released on March 12th of that year in Canada, because
- 19:25Speaker 2: this is a Canadian film, but not till January 2nd
- 19:29Speaker 2: of 1985 in the US. So three-year gap there. No
- 19:33Speaker 2: sex and nudity, severe violence and gore, no profanity, mild alcohol,
- 19:37Speaker 2: drugs and smoking, and severe frightening and intense scenes. Coming
- 19:40Speaker 2: in at a brisk hour and 25 minutes, this movie
- 19:43Speaker 2: flew by in a good way. Listed as a straight
- 19:47Speaker 2: horror movie, sure. Going back to the randomness of genres.
- 19:51Speaker 2: Directed by a man named James W. Roberson. He has
- 19:55Speaker 2: a Roberson, maybe. He's only done three other movies, but
- 19:58Speaker 2: has like 60 cinematography credits. And weirdly enough, he worked
- 20:04Speaker 2: on a lot of television movies. And he did 38
- 20:07Speaker 2: episodes of the King of Queens. So there's that.
- 20:11Speaker 3: I like that show.
- 20:12Speaker 2: I love that show. Has not aged very well because
- 20:15Speaker 2: I did rewatch all of it. Did rewatch all of
- 20:17Speaker 2: it recently. And at some moments I was like, okay. Anyways,
- 20:22Speaker 2: written by entirely too many fucking people. Written by four people. God.
- 20:28Speaker 2: Galen Thompson, who also wrote The Evil from 1978. Michael O. Sajbel,
- 20:34Speaker 2: who also wrote Adventures of the Wilderness Family 3, 1979.
- 20:37Speaker 2: I love that movie.
- 20:41Speaker 3: Love that.
- 20:41Speaker 2: It's my favorite Adventures of the Wilderness Family movie. I
- 20:45Speaker 2: don't even know if there's more. Then we have Brett Thompson-Plate,
- 20:49Speaker 2: who only wrote this movie, and Brad White, who wrote
- 20:53Speaker 2: Grey Eagle, 1977. So there you go. composed by David Gibney,
- 20:59Speaker 2: who composed one other movie from 1994 called Down Under,
- 21:03Speaker 2: cinematography by Leon Blank, who only did this movie, edited
- 21:08Speaker 2: by Al Rabinowitz, who only edited this movie. Just a
- 21:14Speaker 2: whole bunch of fucking A-listers here. Starring James Houghton as
- 21:20Speaker 2: Reverend David Thompson, who was also in More American Graffiti.
- 21:25Speaker 2: As someone, I forgot to write his name down. Albert
- 21:27Speaker 2: Salmi as Inspector Sturgis, who was in Caddyshack as Mr. Noonan.
- 21:32Speaker 2: Lynn Carlin as Melinda Leahy, who was also in Dead
- 21:36Speaker 2: of Night as Christine Brooks. Larry Pinnell as Reverend George Leahy,
- 21:41Speaker 2: who was also in Baba Hotep as Kim Asabi. Jacqueline
- 21:45Speaker 2: Hyde as Elvira Chirac. She was in House of Terror
- 21:48Speaker 2: as Tara? House of Terror as Marsha Kramer. There we go.
- 21:52Speaker 2: And then Robert Simmons as Reverend Andrew Pike, who was
- 21:55Speaker 2: in The Exorcist as Dr.
- 21:56Speaker 3: Tanny.
- 21:57Speaker 2: Estimated budget of NA, grossing NA. Filmed, weirdly enough, in California,
- 22:02Speaker 2: but its country of origin is Canada. Don't know what's
- 22:05Speaker 2: going on there. Canada is a much better place to
- 22:08Speaker 2: shoot because they give you film incentives and money. So
- 22:12Speaker 2: I'm not sure why we went to LA, but okay.
- 22:17Speaker 2: I'm not in the business.
- 22:18Speaker 3: Maybe they were hoping for some sort of push that
- 22:22Speaker 3: they filmed it somewhere else.
- 22:24Speaker 2: Yeah. So you can watch this on Amazon for, for
- 22:26Speaker 2: a two 99 rental movies that came out around the
- 22:29Speaker 2: same time. Conan, the barbarian cat people, death wish to
- 22:33Speaker 2: eating Raul, super underrated movie, the sword and the sorcerer.
- 22:37Speaker 3: Yes, it is. Yeah.
- 22:38Speaker 2: So good. Forbidden world, the beast within mortuary vice squad
- 22:42Speaker 2: and deadly games. IMDb summary, a witch put to death
- 22:46Speaker 2: in 1692 swears vengeance on her persecutors and returns to
- 22:50Speaker 2: the present day to punish their descendants. Let's go into
- 22:54Speaker 2: the autopsy. All right, so first time watch for both
- 23:00Speaker 2: of us, right?
- 23:01Speaker 3: Correct, yeah.
- 23:02Speaker 2: Yeah, so what are your overall thoughts for Superstitions?
- 23:06Speaker 3: It moved goddamn fast. I was like, oh shit. And
- 23:10Speaker 3: then it slowed down for a second, but then came
- 23:13Speaker 3: right back. I really enjoyed it. And I, when you
- 23:16Speaker 3: said that it was a Canadian film that kind of
- 23:18Speaker 3: like hit a spot because of like, I don't know, I,
- 23:22Speaker 3: my 31 days of October always gets fucked up because
- 23:25Speaker 3: of work or life or whatever. But when I started
- 23:29Speaker 3: at the beginning of the month, A lot of the
- 23:32Speaker 3: stuff that I was throwing on happened to be Canadian
- 23:34Speaker 3: horror movies. Black Roses was, Decoys was, there was something
- 23:38Speaker 3: else that I watched that was. And it made me
- 23:40Speaker 3: realize how much I like Canadian horror movies. They're usually basic.
- 23:45Speaker 3: There's not like this grief or depth or anything to it.
- 23:49Speaker 3: So yeah, I was glad to hear that that's what
- 23:51Speaker 3: this was because that's probably why I enjoyed it.
- 23:54Speaker 2: Well, fun fact, David Cronenberg is in fact Canadian, so
- 23:58Speaker 2: I guarantee you'll like him.
- 24:00Speaker 3: Okay, well then.
- 24:01Speaker 2: Yeah, you will like most of his work if you
- 24:03Speaker 2: like Canadian horror movies. There's not really a lot to
- 24:07Speaker 2: his films plot-wise, I would say, but visually. I mean, okay,
- 24:13Speaker 2: Videodrome is definitely like a mindfuck for sure, but most
- 24:17Speaker 2: of his movies just involve just gratuitous amounts of body horror,
- 24:21Speaker 2: so I highly recommend that movie. My overall thoughts are
- 24:25Speaker 2: whatever you want to say. Fucking stuttering. I fucking love
- 24:29Speaker 2: this movie. I had completely different, completely different expectations going
- 24:36Speaker 2: into this based on the summary. I don't think this
- 24:38Speaker 2: is an accurate summary because really that's kind of not
- 24:42Speaker 2: a twist in the movie, but that's kind of like
- 24:44Speaker 2: a reveal. Because I read this and I'm like, oh, cool.
- 24:51Speaker 2: We're probably going to start out in 1692 and then
- 24:54Speaker 2: see what happens and then jump to the future. Now
- 24:57Speaker 2: we start in the future. Well, in the present, whatever
- 25:00Speaker 2: you want to call it with everyone involved in the story,
- 25:04Speaker 2: except for the first four people in the movie, just
- 25:06Speaker 2: fuck off. Well, two of them die and then two
- 25:08Speaker 2: of them fuck off. So you don't get that all
- 25:11Speaker 2: of this is even a witch until Elvira out in
- 25:15Speaker 2: the fucking shack is like, oh yeah, by the way,
- 25:18Speaker 2: there's a witch here. Go look for this book at
- 25:20Speaker 2: this place. So honestly, terrible description because I, and maybe
- 25:26Speaker 2: that's why, I don't know. Usually when I have expectations
- 25:28Speaker 2: for a movie and I don't get that, I typically,
- 25:31Speaker 2: typically am not happy because I was expecting something else.
- 25:36Speaker 2: I mean, This does live up to, you know, this
- 25:39Speaker 2: does happen in the movie, but I really didn't. I
- 25:42Speaker 2: thought it was going to be much more pivotal to
- 25:43Speaker 2: the plot.
- 25:45Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I was going into much more of
- 25:47Speaker 3: a witch movie than I actually went into.
- 25:49Speaker 2: Yeah, I exactly. I expected a lot more period like
- 25:54Speaker 2: sets and dressings and stuff like that. And really, you
- 25:57Speaker 2: get a couple of flashbacks in that. That's it, which
- 25:59Speaker 2: I'm fine with. It's just, they set it up so weirdly.
- 26:03Speaker 2: And then what we got, I was like, this is
- 26:05Speaker 2: infinitely better than what you described in the IMDb summary. Like,
- 26:11Speaker 2: not that there was anything wrong with it, but I
- 26:13Speaker 2: was like, man, this is so much cooler. So let's
- 26:17Speaker 2: dive in here. Let me get my notes. I mean,
- 26:19Speaker 2: I don't know. I've been taking a different approach to
- 26:22Speaker 2: every movie lately. Sometimes I'm like, let's just talk about
- 26:25Speaker 2: the themes, like what we did with Hokum. But this one,
- 26:28Speaker 2: I'm like, we just got to go through this movie
- 26:29Speaker 2: and talk about the craziness of this fucking movie. So
- 26:34Speaker 2: the movie literally starts out. You've got two people making
- 26:36Speaker 2: out in a car. They don't fucking matter at all
- 26:39Speaker 2: because they fuck off for the rest of the movie.
- 26:44Speaker 2: I thought this was going to be a central couple
- 26:47Speaker 2: in the movie. And they were just setting us up. Oh,
- 26:49Speaker 2: we're out by this creepy house we're making out. And
- 26:51Speaker 2: he's trying to get in her pants or whatever. And
- 26:53Speaker 2: then someone... I think their names are Charlie and Artie
- 26:58Speaker 2: scares them. And they drive off into the night, never
- 27:02Speaker 2: to be seen again in this movie. I'm like, okay.
- 27:04Speaker 2: And then you focus on Charlie and Artie who are
- 27:08Speaker 2: this house, just a house and fucking woods. And they're
- 27:12Speaker 2: going around and then things end very poorly for them.
- 27:18Speaker 2: Things end very poorly. I'm pretty sure. I don't know
- 27:22Speaker 2: how Artie's head got cut off. but it does. And
- 27:27Speaker 2: it ends up in the microwave because Charlie is like, Artie,
- 27:30Speaker 2: we got to go.
- 27:31Speaker 3: Come on.
- 27:32Speaker 2: Where are you? And then he gets drawn to the microwave,
- 27:35Speaker 2: which opens. And then after it opens, Artie's head just
- 27:40Speaker 2: fucking explodes for no reason. And I was like, oh, okay,
- 27:46Speaker 2: this is what we're doing. And then Charlie goes to
- 27:48Speaker 2: leave and he tries to jump out the window and
- 27:50Speaker 2: then just gets fucking cut in half. And I was like,
- 27:53Speaker 2: Did I put on the right movie? Did you have
- 27:55Speaker 2: that same feeling? Were you like, is this the right movie?
- 27:59Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely. I was just like, okay, did not
- 28:01Speaker 3: expect over-the-top gore right off the rip. I will say
- 28:06Speaker 3: the couple, I just expected them to die, if anything. Yeah,
- 28:11Speaker 3: that was completely thrown off. I was like, okay, didn't
- 28:17Speaker 3: realize that this was a slasher, because I think Amazon
- 28:23Speaker 3: had it labeled as a slasher when I rented it.
- 28:28Speaker 2: Okay. I, uh, weirdly enough, even though I own it,
- 28:31Speaker 2: I did rent it as well because, um, sometimes I
- 28:35Speaker 2: have to watch movies on my iPad because the circumstances,
- 28:39Speaker 2: but the cool thing is, is you can, you can
- 28:41Speaker 2: put it at like 1.25 speed so I can finish
- 28:43Speaker 2: it a little bit quicker. Um, and honestly it makes
- 28:46Speaker 2: the movie experience just a little more enjoyable because it's
- 28:49Speaker 2: kind of funny to seeing things sped up ever so slightly.
- 28:52Speaker 2: So on my app, it lists it as a dark
- 28:55Speaker 2: haunting horror.
- 28:57Speaker 3: Sure. Okay.
- 28:58Speaker 2: Not even a witch, but all right. So yeah, that's
- 29:02Speaker 2: your opening. You get this weird fake out with, it's
- 29:05Speaker 2: almost like scream, right? You have Casey, who you think
- 29:09Speaker 2: is going to be in the movie the whole time,
- 29:11Speaker 2: but instead of Casey dying, Casey fucks off and people
- 29:15Speaker 2: come in behind her and then they're the ones that die.
- 29:17Speaker 2: And you're like, it was the most jarring intro in
- 29:20Speaker 2: the best way possible. Like, that's the best way I
- 29:23Speaker 2: can put it. I mean, you have an exploding head
- 29:26Speaker 2: in a microwave, someone getting cut in half, let's fucking go.
- 29:29Speaker 2: And then before 20 minutes into the movie, you have
- 29:32Speaker 2: the people that are investigating it. One of the guys, Hollister,
- 29:34Speaker 2: just gets pulled into the lake. Just, just he's dropped
- 29:38Speaker 2: some quarters. He's picking them up, pulled right into the lake.
- 29:40Speaker 2: And literally I was like, what's happening? What is going
- 29:44Speaker 2: on in this? Where's the witch? Where is 1692? I
- 29:48Speaker 2: had three questions in my head. It was who in
- 29:51Speaker 2: the fuck is Mary? Cause I don't know who you are.
- 29:55Speaker 2: Who is this lady living on the grounds that says
- 29:57Speaker 2: she can't go into the house? Why is everyone dying immediately?
- 30:00Speaker 2: What's happening? This is just 80s insanity in a nutshell
- 30:05Speaker 2: because they also set you up with a great red
- 30:07Speaker 2: herring in the form of Arlen, who's like the house's caretaker.
- 30:12Speaker 2: I think they also said that he was Elvira's son,
- 30:16Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken.
- 30:17Speaker 3: He was Elvira's son and.
- 30:20Speaker 3: Essentially trying to appease the witch is what i got from.
- 30:23Speaker 2: It yeah and i think she also said oh my
- 30:25Speaker 2: son is dead to me or something like that i'm
- 30:27Speaker 2: like nah he's literally running around the same area as
- 30:31Speaker 2: but okay okay elvira i love a good kooky old
- 30:34Speaker 2: lady and she was fucking 10 out of 10 for
- 30:36Speaker 2: elvira also a 10 out of 10 name i should
- 30:40Speaker 2: have looked this up and i will look it up
- 30:41Speaker 2: while we're talking but i'm wondering if which which elvira
- 30:45Speaker 2: which elvira was first I think the Elvira was, but yeah,
- 30:52Speaker 2: I thought it was hilarious because I'm like, this old
- 30:54Speaker 2: lady is my favorite person because she's so fucking vague.
- 30:57Speaker 2: The whole movie, she's like a little troll who's like,
- 31:01Speaker 2: answer me, these are Riddles 3. And sending this fucking
- 31:05Speaker 2: guy on Scooby-Doo mystery adventures with the whole book. She's like,
- 31:10Speaker 2: oh yeah, why don't you go roam the basement of
- 31:12Speaker 2: the Catholic church? And, uh, or whatever church it was
- 31:16Speaker 2: and go find, go find the answers. Like, why don't
- 31:19Speaker 2: you just fucking tell me that'd be like so much
- 31:21Speaker 2: more convenient because you clearly know what's going on and
- 31:23Speaker 2: I don't. Um, but no, she sent this man on
- 31:26Speaker 2: a fucking quest to go find this book. It's like
- 31:29Speaker 2: this lady is, I love this lady. Um, so yeah,
- 31:33Speaker 2: you have Arlen and, uh, he is suspected of killing
- 31:37Speaker 2: Hollister cause they were in the same area together. And
- 31:41Speaker 2: Arlen is there and Hollister's not. So obviously murder, right?
- 31:46Speaker 2: That makes sense.
- 31:48Speaker 3: He was taking out everybody.
- 31:51Speaker 2: He really was. Oh my God. The, the, when, when
- 31:53Speaker 2: he's confronted by the cops and David, he just decks
- 31:57Speaker 2: a cop in the face, does like a barrel roll
- 32:00Speaker 2: over the car. pushes another cop into the lake, like,
- 32:04Speaker 2: from a hill, like, pushes him down the hill into
- 32:07Speaker 2: the lake and fucking hauls ass into the woods as, like,
- 32:10Speaker 2: two other cops are just fucking blasting shots off. I'm like,
- 32:14Speaker 2: what is this movie? Like, again, in the best way possible,
- 32:19Speaker 2: what is this movie? 80s fucking insanity is what I'm
- 32:23Speaker 2: gonna label this as. And then you've got this family,
- 32:29Speaker 2: the Leahy family, Do you watch Trailer Park Boys by
- 32:33Speaker 2: any chance?
- 32:34Speaker 3: No.
- 32:34Speaker 2: You mentioned like in Canadian things and they're Canadian. So
- 32:36Speaker 2: there's a show called Trailer Park Boys and Mr. Jim
- 32:39Speaker 2: Leahy is main character. And that's all I could think
- 32:44Speaker 2: of is that guy because he spells it differently instead
- 32:48Speaker 2: of L-E-A-H-Y. It's L-A-H-E-Y. But whatever. They still pronounce it Leahy.
- 32:53Speaker 2: I guess maybe that's a common Canadian last name. Who
- 32:56Speaker 2: fucking knows?
- 32:57Speaker 3: Most likely. Yeah.
- 32:58Speaker 2: So despite all of these shenanigans going down at this house,
- 33:02Speaker 2: by this point, you've had four deaths there and this
- 33:05Speaker 2: entire family just moves in. David allows this. David is
- 33:08Speaker 2: like the proprietor of this establishment and he lets them
- 33:12Speaker 2: move in. What a terrible landlord.
- 33:15Speaker 3: I mean, really? four people have well it's yeah but
- 33:19Speaker 3: it's supposed to be like the new pastor for the
- 33:21Speaker 3: church or some shit.
- 33:23Speaker 2: Even worse he's going to hell twice and i'm not
- 33:25Speaker 2: even religious it's just crazy i was like i can't
- 33:30Speaker 2: believe you're letting this man doesn't even mention i don't
- 33:33Speaker 2: think all the all the craziness going on i can't
- 33:36Speaker 2: remember like this movie is just so banana sandwich so
- 33:38Speaker 2: you've got justin cheryl and george and lynn And as
- 33:42Speaker 2: soon as they all moved in, I was like, all
- 33:44Speaker 2: of these people are going to die. All of them.
- 33:48Speaker 2: And I nailed that right on the head because literally
- 33:51Speaker 2: none of them survive. No one survives, actually, now that
- 33:54Speaker 2: I think about it.
- 33:54Speaker 3: Nope, not a single person.
- 33:56Speaker 2: At least in the main cast. Spoiler alert, but that's
- 33:59Speaker 2: why there's a warning at the beginning of this show.
- 34:03Speaker 3: It's fucking 40 years old.
- 34:04Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also 44 years old, so. But yeah, I
- 34:08Speaker 2: was like every, the second I saw everyone go inside
- 34:11Speaker 2: the house, I was like, they're all dead. And I, but,
- 34:13Speaker 2: but I was, I was, I was wondering if they
- 34:15Speaker 2: would actually kill Justin. Cause he's a kid, eighties movies
- 34:18Speaker 2: and kids are kind of a mixed bag. I mean,
- 34:21Speaker 2: you have a movie from 1979 called the prophecy where
- 34:24Speaker 2: a kid in a sleeping bag gets yeeted into a
- 34:26Speaker 2: tree at the speed of light and disintegrates and disintegrates
- 34:30Speaker 2: into feathers. And then you have other movies, you know,
- 34:34Speaker 2: some Friday the 13th movies where maybe, you know, the
- 34:36Speaker 2: kids don't die or whatever.
- 34:37Speaker 3: But yeah, it was a common trope that the kid
- 34:40Speaker 3: usually didn't die. I was kind of surprised.
- 34:44Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 34:44Speaker 2: Sometimes they did, but he did in this one and they, they,
- 34:46Speaker 2: it was definitely an on or sorry, an off screen kill.
- 34:49Speaker 2: Cause he kind of just gets yoked up into the
- 34:51Speaker 2: like basement ceiling and then does my favorite thing. Literally
- 34:56Speaker 2: one of my favorite things from like the seventies and
- 34:58Speaker 2: eighties is when a dead body or a corpse just
- 35:02Speaker 2: swings down from the ceiling for no reason. That is not.
- 35:07Speaker 3: And I think that happened a couple of times in
- 35:09Speaker 3: this movie.
- 35:09Speaker 2: I think it happened twice.
- 35:11Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 35:11Speaker 2: Because like he gets yoked up to the ceiling and
- 35:14Speaker 2: then like 20 minutes later is when his mom is
- 35:17Speaker 2: looking around for Justin. She opens the door and just
- 35:20Speaker 2: swings right at her and just like keep swaying back
- 35:23Speaker 2: and forth. I'm like, I don't know who started this.
- 35:26Speaker 2: But it's literally one of my favorite things because it
- 35:28Speaker 2: just makes no sense.
- 35:29Speaker 3: I love dummies and movies. Was it like a caretaker
- 35:37Speaker 3: or whatever who falls down the elevator shaft?
- 35:39Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
- 35:40Speaker 3: But they purposely used it. I mean, like the dummy
- 35:43Speaker 3: was so obvious. And I love that.
- 35:45Speaker 2: I love a good dummy. There was one recently. Oh God,
- 35:48Speaker 2: what was I watching? It was like a car chase.
- 35:51Speaker 2: And right before the guy crashed, you could just like,
- 35:55Speaker 2: you had like a snapshot of it was just clearly
- 35:57Speaker 2: a dummy. And I was like, yes, I love it.
- 36:00Speaker 2: I would so much rather see that than terrible CG
- 36:03Speaker 2: any day of the week. Cause someone handcrafted that puppet
- 36:05Speaker 2: to look or puppet, um, doll or whatever.
- 36:09Speaker 3: Puppet mannequin doll whatever to look.
- 36:11Speaker 2: Vaguely similar to the person enough uh so yeah that
- 36:16Speaker 2: was great i loved i loved a good a doll
- 36:18Speaker 2: and i mean the kills alone in this movie were
- 36:21Speaker 2: so creative.
- 36:23Speaker 3: Dude that saw blade end of the priest.
- 36:26Speaker 2: One of the most outlandish kills but so fucking satisfying
- 36:33Speaker 2: let me set the scene for you just in case
- 36:35Speaker 2: you have not seen this movie because I'll reiterate again,
- 36:38Speaker 2: there are some people who listen to this movie or
- 36:40Speaker 2: this show who aren't really horror fans, but they like
- 36:43Speaker 2: hearing about them. So this guy, this fucking priest, Reverend
- 36:46Speaker 2: who's his face. He doesn't matter. He's only in there
- 36:49Speaker 2: for about 15 minutes. He's just fucking sitting there minding
- 36:52Speaker 2: his own goddamn business. And while they're doing renovations on
- 36:55Speaker 2: this house, there's a guy who has a circular saw
- 36:59Speaker 2: and he's just cutting something. And then again, for seemingly
- 37:02Speaker 2: no reason, it just, the blade just pops off. ping
- 37:06Speaker 2: pongs off the floor, like go, I think it bounces twice.
- 37:09Speaker 2: If I'm not, it bounces at least once, if not twice,
- 37:13Speaker 2: right into the guy's chest. And instead of just stopping there,
- 37:17Speaker 2: like gravity would, you know, allow. The saw just keeps
- 37:21Speaker 2: spinning for no fucking reason. And I was cackling with
- 37:28Speaker 2: just absolute joy, like joyful, joyful, whatever you want to
- 37:32Speaker 2: call it. I was cackling. I'm like, this is so unnecessary,
- 37:38Speaker 2: but it's so much fun.
- 37:39Speaker 3: So that was so much fun.
- 37:41Speaker 2: That was one of the greatest kills. And even before that,
- 37:44Speaker 2: so like, like I said, you have already who got
- 37:45Speaker 2: beheaded and then microwaved. You've got Charlie who was cut
- 37:48Speaker 2: in half by a window. Uh, look, and it looks,
- 37:50Speaker 2: the effects were great.
- 37:52Speaker 3: It looks good.
- 37:53Speaker 2: Hollister was just pulled into the lake. Reverend Henry. There
- 37:56Speaker 2: we go. Circular, circular saw to the chest. Fred is
- 38:00Speaker 2: the guy who was working on the elevator, which you
- 38:02Speaker 2: see like twice in this movie, uh, who got hung
- 38:05Speaker 2: by a wire. And then when he fell, that's when
- 38:08Speaker 2: they dropped the dummy. Um, Andrew, or sorry, Justin pulled
- 38:11Speaker 2: to the ceiling. Andrew Pike, the guy from, you know,
- 38:15Speaker 2: the 1690s got crushed to death in like an ancient
- 38:18Speaker 2: torture device. That was really cool. Melinda just gets thrown
- 38:22Speaker 2: around the kitchen like a rag doll and then winds
- 38:25Speaker 2: up on the bed upstairs dead. And when George is
- 38:28Speaker 2: looking for her, he gets killed by an exploding window
- 38:31Speaker 2: with glass shards. Love it. Cheryl, unfortunately, gets the worst
- 38:35Speaker 2: of it. She gets a stake through the eyeball and
- 38:38Speaker 2: it gets hammered in a couple times. So that sucks.
- 38:42Speaker 2: And then Anne was just killed off screen. But you
- 38:45Speaker 2: get so many unrealistically amazing kills. And then you even, oh,
- 38:48Speaker 2: they kill two kids because they kill Mary. Even though
- 38:51Speaker 2: Mary is like the manifestation of the witch or whatever,
- 38:54Speaker 2: she gets a crucifix to the heart. That fucking sucks.
- 38:57Speaker 2: And then, of course, our main guy, David, just gets
- 39:00Speaker 2: pulled into the lake and everybody dies.
- 39:04Speaker 3: Movie over.
- 39:04Speaker 2: All right, let's go into the final cut. That's all.
- 39:06Speaker 2: That's all we have to say.
- 39:10Speaker 3: So, one question.
- 39:12Speaker 2: Oh, yes. What do you have?
- 39:14Speaker 3: Well, I got a couple questions. This one doesn't have
- 39:17Speaker 3: to do. Okay, so they never explained the back. Like,
- 39:21Speaker 3: the father character is like this mopey, depressed, like, seems
- 39:27Speaker 3: like he has some sort of background as to why
- 39:29Speaker 3: they're there. and they never really give you anything about
- 39:33Speaker 3: that they.
- 39:34Speaker 2: Don't know though yeah george is clearly an alcoholic because
- 39:40Speaker 2: as a former alcoholic I know the signs and he
- 39:44Speaker 2: was literally going into, he went into the attic.
- 39:47Speaker 3: I think, I think it was the basement or something.
- 39:50Speaker 2: He went somewhere to hide and drink because when his
- 39:53Speaker 2: son comes up to approach him, he's like, Oh, what
- 39:55Speaker 2: are you doing here? Don't tell mom about this. And, uh,
- 39:58Speaker 2: for some reason, the witch, which also seems to be
- 40:01Speaker 2: a ghost at sometimes it's very unclear because she knocks
- 40:03Speaker 2: over that liquor bottle. This fucking witch hates booze does
- 40:08Speaker 2: not like, because even back, even back in 1692, she
- 40:11Speaker 2: was popping all the, the tops off the wine and
- 40:14Speaker 2: Andrew Pike's place. So fucking don't bring alcohol around this witch,
- 40:18Speaker 2: not a fan. But they don't explain that at all.
- 40:20Speaker 2: There's a family dynamic there that they don't really dive into.
- 40:23Speaker 2: And I think it probably would have bogged the story
- 40:25Speaker 2: down if they did, but why even put that in
- 40:28Speaker 2: there at all?
- 40:29Speaker 3: You know, it's like, yeah, like they could have just
- 40:31Speaker 3: been like a happy family rather than like a disgruntled family.
- 40:35Speaker 2: Yeah, because even the kids, too, the two daughters especially,
- 40:38Speaker 2: because they have two daughters, two older, like, I would
- 40:41Speaker 2: say Anne and Cheryl are roughly the same age, and
- 40:44Speaker 2: then Justin is probably like five or eight years younger.
- 40:47Speaker 2: Cheryl and Anne both have varying opinions on their father.
- 40:50Speaker 2: One of them kind of worships this man, and the
- 40:53Speaker 2: other one is like, he's a burnout, he's a loser, like, blah, blah, blah, blah.
- 40:57Speaker 2: And then, I don't remember who slaps who, but someone,
- 40:59Speaker 2: she was like, stop your bitchy whining, and just slaps
- 41:03Speaker 2: her straight across the face. I was like, God damn,
- 41:05Speaker 2: this family's fucked up, man. My goodness. So there's definitely
- 41:09Speaker 2: an odd family dynamic, which would probably make a great
- 41:13Speaker 2: other movie. That family dynamic was so disjointed, that could
- 41:19Speaker 2: make an entire other story. Let's make a prequel to
- 41:21Speaker 2: Superstition where we focus on this family, what happened to
- 41:26Speaker 2: them prior, and why they moved. I would love to
- 41:29Speaker 2: do that.
- 41:30Speaker 3: But yeah, so we'll just have to cut in a
- 41:32Speaker 3: witch ghost. Maybe they've already dealt with one witch ghost and.
- 41:37Speaker 2: George is fucking fed up. He's turned to the drink
- 41:42Speaker 2: because he can't handle it.
- 41:43Speaker 3: All right.
- 41:44Speaker 2: What's your, what's your other questions?
- 41:45Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. This one is off screen in a sense
- 41:50Speaker 3: of like, so when movies, especially like lower budget movies,
- 41:56Speaker 3: decide they're going to use the same house twice. But
- 41:58Speaker 3: in the first scene, it's an utter wreck. And then
- 42:01Speaker 3: in the next scene, it's livable.
- 42:04Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 42:05Speaker 3: What a fucking pain in the ass. Like, how do
- 42:06Speaker 3: they film that? Do you think they film the good
- 42:10Speaker 3: stuff first and then the bad stuff? Or do you
- 42:12Speaker 3: think they trash it and then clean it up and
- 42:14Speaker 3: film it that way?
- 42:16Speaker 2: I guess it really depends on how, because I can
- 42:20Speaker 2: look at this from both ways. It would seem easier
- 42:22Speaker 2: to find a shitty house to make better But that
- 42:26Speaker 2: does seem like a lot of work, but alternatively, the
- 42:29Speaker 2: other way seems like just as much work. I guess
- 42:31Speaker 2: it really depends on what state, like, cause obviously you
- 42:34Speaker 2: have to go location scouting. And so I guess it's
- 42:37Speaker 2: whatever you come across that you find, you're like, all right,
- 42:39Speaker 2: we need this in a good condition and a bad condition.
- 42:42Speaker 2: This is in bad condition. So we shoot that first
- 42:45Speaker 2: and then we remodel it. You know, like.
- 42:51Speaker 3: Cause like, Oh my God, like what, what effort put
- 42:54Speaker 3: it like, you know, boarded up windows and Mike, like,
- 42:57Speaker 3: obviously there's plenty of the house that you don't even see,
- 43:00Speaker 3: but like the few rooms that they do trash for
- 43:03Speaker 3: the beginning of the movie, it's like, man, that's a
- 43:05Speaker 3: lot of shit to lug in and out to make
- 43:07Speaker 3: it beautiful after. Yeah. Oh yeah.
- 43:10Speaker 2: I mean, especially in the very beginning of the movie,
- 43:12Speaker 2: when the two kids are roaming around there, I mean,
- 43:15Speaker 2: the house is just absolutely. I think in this instance,
- 43:19Speaker 2: it would make more sense to film it, the good
- 43:22Speaker 2: stuff first, and then slowly trash it because the ending
- 43:25Speaker 2: of the, or the beginning of the movie is where
- 43:27Speaker 2: it is the worst. And I feel like they had
- 43:30Speaker 2: to have shot that last with, you know, which is
- 43:34Speaker 2: usually how movies, you know, you don't shoot movies in order.
- 43:37Speaker 2: So I feel like they found a house that was
- 43:39Speaker 2: in decent enough condition to make look good, and then
- 43:41Speaker 2: they promptly made it look terrible. That's my speculation. But yeah,
- 43:45Speaker 2: what a nightmare. I mean, you already have to film
- 43:48Speaker 2: a movie, and now you've got to do like fucking,
- 43:50Speaker 2: what's that one show? extreme home makeover you got to
- 43:52Speaker 2: do that as well jesus christ this is a lot
- 43:55Speaker 2: of work.
- 43:56Speaker 3: And then you're like fuck that was all the budget
- 43:58Speaker 3: uh so that and special effects are what we're going
- 44:00Speaker 3: with here yep backstory of the family who cares.
- 44:03Speaker 2: We don't have enough time for that not enough time
- 44:05Speaker 2: to explain don't ask questions uh but yeah i do
- 44:09Speaker 2: find that interesting because it raised some questions that i
- 44:14Speaker 2: i you know i would have liked to have answered
- 44:16Speaker 2: but in the grand scheme of things i'm like it
- 44:18Speaker 2: didn't really matter, but yeah. Why, why give such depth
- 44:22Speaker 2: to that family? If we're not going to dig into that.
- 44:25Speaker 3: And the time, I will say the time jumps in
- 44:27Speaker 3: this movie are a little weird too. Cause like you
- 44:30Speaker 3: see the beginning with the kids and already getting cut
- 44:33Speaker 3: and whatnot. And then how much, how much like time
- 44:36Speaker 3: has passed that they've cleaned up the house that much
- 44:39Speaker 3: before this family got there.
- 44:41Speaker 2: So the beginning of the movie, And then I think
- 44:44Speaker 2: it was a priest and a couple officers go see
- 44:47Speaker 2: David to talk about all this.
- 44:50Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. I did forget about that scene.
- 44:51Speaker 2: So they talk about that. And then I know he goes, well,
- 44:54Speaker 2: we have a family moving in. We're going to be
- 44:56Speaker 2: remodeling in a new ways. And then the Reverend and
- 44:59Speaker 2: David go out there to kind of check out the
- 45:01Speaker 2: property while, while it's being renovated. So there's a pretty,
- 45:07Speaker 2: pretty decent amount of time in between the beginning and
- 45:10Speaker 2: when the family actually moves in. Uh, but yeah, they
- 45:13Speaker 2: do seem to get that shit together pretty quickly because yeah,
- 45:17Speaker 2: they had to basically renovate an entire house from how.
- 45:20Speaker 3: There is a scene. There was a scene too, where
- 45:23Speaker 3: they actually mentioned time and I was like, oh, I
- 45:27Speaker 3: didn't even realize it was supposed to be a time
- 45:28Speaker 3: jump there. They said, ah, fucking blank. And I wish
- 45:31Speaker 3: I could remember. It was like, they had mentioned like
- 45:34Speaker 3: a couple of days or something.
- 45:35Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
- 45:36Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 45:37Speaker 2: Um, so yeah, that, That's one of my, not issues
- 45:40Speaker 2: with movies, but sometimes I don't know how long this is. Like,
- 45:44Speaker 2: I don't need you to date stamp it for me.
- 45:46Speaker 2: But sometimes it's like, is this a couple of days
- 45:49Speaker 2: or are we talking like months here? Sometimes it's, I'm
- 45:52Speaker 2: not clear on the timeline. But yeah, so there are some,
- 45:57Speaker 2: like I said, it's not a perfect movie. I mean,
- 45:58Speaker 2: I gave it a pretty fucking high rating.
- 46:01Speaker 3: Yeah, same.
- 46:02Speaker 2: This was a, because you know, sometimes, every now and again,
- 46:05Speaker 2: I rate a movie just on the fun I had
- 46:08Speaker 2: with it. and how goofy or wacky it is. And
- 46:12Speaker 2: this movie just surprised the hell out of me. It
- 46:14Speaker 2: just came out of nowhere. So I've got a very
- 46:17Speaker 2: high rating for it. And then other times, you know,
- 46:19Speaker 2: there are where I rate a movie based on its
- 46:21Speaker 2: actual merit. But I mean, I don't think this movie,
- 46:24Speaker 2: it's not even like this is so bad it's good.
- 46:27Speaker 2: The acting is pretty solid across the board. Even the
- 46:30Speaker 2: kid Justin, not the worst kid actor I've seen. Practical
- 46:34Speaker 2: effects go hard as fuck in this movie. I mean,
- 46:37Speaker 2: holy shit. The way that the witch is dressed at
- 46:42Speaker 2: the end of the movie with like the shawl and
- 46:44Speaker 2: the creepy hands. I mean, there's like a lot of
- 46:47Speaker 2: great imagery in this movie. It's filmed very well. It's
- 46:49Speaker 2: got a lot of good lighting. I think the production
- 46:51Speaker 2: value is honestly very good. So it's not like something
- 46:54Speaker 2: that's a shitty movie that I'm just gassing up for
- 46:57Speaker 2: no reason. It has a lot of great elements. I
- 46:59Speaker 2: just really, really enjoyed it. And at an hour and
- 47:03Speaker 2: 25 minutes, all of this happening, I was like, yeah,
- 47:05Speaker 2: this is I bought the Blu-ray of it. I was like,
- 47:08Speaker 2: this is a fucking keeper for sure. I am going
- 47:11Speaker 2: to keep this in the collection. When someone's like, I
- 47:13Speaker 2: want a wacky 80s movie, here you go. Superstitious.
- 47:16Speaker 3: Seriously.
- 47:17Speaker 2: Do you like witches? No, it doesn't matter. She's not
- 47:20Speaker 2: involved much anyway. She's mostly a ghost. That's what they
- 47:23Speaker 2: should have called this, like witch ghost or something. Ghost witch.
- 47:27Speaker 3: Yeah, demon witch. Ooh, demon witch.
- 47:31Speaker 2: That's so good. I'm remembering that one. Um, what were
- 47:35Speaker 2: your other, did you, did you have more, did you,
- 47:37Speaker 2: did you have more, more questions for me?
- 47:39Speaker 3: Uh, no, no, no. I think that was it. It
- 47:41Speaker 3: goes with, uh, let me.
- 47:42Speaker 2: Tell you some of my favorite things that happen in movies. Some, um, oh,
- 47:46Speaker 2: let me talk about, sorry. Let me talk about the,
- 47:49Speaker 2: hold on. I got to go back to my notes here.
- 47:50Speaker 2: All right.
- 47:51Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 47:51Speaker 2: So let's talk about when the violence begins, when all
- 47:54Speaker 2: the craziness happens. So David goes to the old lady, like,
- 47:58Speaker 2: you know, like I said, aptly named Elvira. And, uh,
- 48:01Speaker 2: she's just speaks in riddles. Tells David that she knows
- 48:05Speaker 2: when everything happened. She's like, it happened in 1692. And
- 48:07Speaker 2: David's like, 1692? Yeah, that's over 300 years ago. Thanks, professor.
- 48:14Speaker 2: Didn't need to do that fucking math. But anyways, it
- 48:18Speaker 2: all happened in 1692. And that's when she tells him
- 48:20Speaker 2: to go to the church. And I'm like, nobody likes
- 48:24Speaker 2: an aloof old person. Can you tell me what's going
- 48:26Speaker 2: on here? So no, it's never the case.
- 48:29Speaker 3: You're always going to be sent to Scooby-Doo that shit
- 48:31Speaker 3: on your own.
- 48:32Speaker 2: Go Scooby-Doo this year. I can give you the answer.
- 48:36Speaker 3: When he gets to the church and the priest like
- 48:39Speaker 3: pulls out the book and he's like reading it to
- 48:41Speaker 3: him and he's like, yeah, just give me the book.
- 48:44Speaker 3: I'm kind of in a hurry. But then he fucking
- 48:46Speaker 3: sits down and proceeds to read it for like nine
- 48:49Speaker 3: hours while everybody's getting massacred at the house.
- 48:55Speaker 2: Oh, that was so great. Yeah, I love that scene.
- 48:57Speaker 2: And the book's name, too, is so cool. It's called
- 48:59Speaker 2: the Malleus Malefectorum, which is a fucking 10 out of
- 49:03Speaker 2: 10 book name. And it's a book from the Spanish
- 49:07Speaker 2: Inquisition about exorcism and the punishment of heresy, according to
- 49:11Speaker 2: the priest. And then I love when David chimes in.
- 49:14Speaker 2: He's like, and for the methods uh for extracting confession
- 49:17Speaker 2: and the priest is like yeah but that was never
- 49:19Speaker 2: sanctioned by the church okay buddy well fucking chill um
- 49:24Speaker 2: so the book's spine has the last name of shirak
- 49:28Speaker 2: which is uh the witch's last name and funny enough
- 49:31Speaker 2: it's also elvira's last name so they are related i
- 49:35Speaker 2: don't remember how i don't know if they go into
- 49:37Speaker 2: that but they're related um And Father Andrew Pike is
- 49:41Speaker 2: the one who did the execution of Alondra Sharrock, which
- 49:46Speaker 2: was the witch. Then we get some flashbacks. You know,
- 49:49Speaker 2: she's tied down and claims to be the daughter of Satan.
- 49:53Speaker 2: And the fucking pitch, what's it called? The pitch bend, whatever,
- 49:57Speaker 2: of the voice, like the pitch down of her voice
- 50:00Speaker 2: when she was talking and it was slowly getting deeper.
- 50:03Speaker 2: And then she started laughing maniacally. I was like, for 1982,
- 50:06Speaker 2: that's pretty fucking good. Usually like demon voices kind of
- 50:10Speaker 2: sound silly. I was like, this one sounds legitimately good.
- 50:13Speaker 2: I don't know how you felt about that, but I
- 50:15Speaker 2: fucking love that.
- 50:16Speaker 3: I guess I never really noticed them sounding shittier in
- 50:20Speaker 3: old movies because yeah, I thought it sounded good. I
- 50:22Speaker 3: was like, oh, that was like some evil dead shit
- 50:24Speaker 3: right there.
- 50:25Speaker 2: Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It was like some evil
- 50:28Speaker 2: dead shit. And it's not that they sound shittier in
- 50:30Speaker 2: older movies, but more times than not, I find it
- 50:33Speaker 2: kind of being cheesy, but this one, it like pitched
- 50:36Speaker 2: her voice down. And then it got to a point
- 50:39Speaker 2: where she was just laughing and cackling with this really
- 50:41Speaker 2: deep voice. I was like, this is really creepy. But
- 50:44Speaker 2: now I have a question for you, funny enough. So
- 50:47Speaker 2: Andrew Pike states that they don't have the proper machinery
- 50:52Speaker 2: to force a cleansing of a twisted soul. He can't
- 50:56Speaker 2: bring himself to burn her. So I was like, okay,
- 50:59Speaker 2: back up, back up. Like you don't have fire to
- 51:01Speaker 2: burn her or you don't want to use fire because
- 51:05Speaker 2: there are literally torches all over this room. What machinery
- 51:08Speaker 2: are you requiring to burn this?
- 51:11Speaker 3: What? I didn't get that. Yeah. It made it sound
- 51:16Speaker 3: like it was like a conscious decision to not want
- 51:20Speaker 3: to burn her alive.
- 51:21Speaker 2: I guess, but it's like, that's what you're supposed to,
- 51:23Speaker 2: this is what happens when you don't burn witches and
- 51:25Speaker 2: you drown them. They fucking possess the lake and the
- 51:30Speaker 2: fuck man. So I thought that was like, that was
- 51:32Speaker 2: hilarious to me. I don't know. I was laughing.
- 51:35Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that was kind of like a, wait, why
- 51:37Speaker 3: won't you just burn her?
- 51:39Speaker 2: Yeah, was it immoral?
- 51:42Speaker 3: Bring her out to the lake on the big fucking
- 51:45Speaker 3: tree thing that you have her on, set her on fire,
- 51:48Speaker 3: and then to put her out, push her into the lake.
- 51:52Speaker 2: Yeah, man, best of both worlds. A little fire and water.
- 51:57Speaker 2: So yeah, that was so funny because I don't know
- 51:59Speaker 2: what machinery he was. Again, just one of those out-of-pocket
- 52:02Speaker 2: things that happens in this movie. I don't know what
- 52:05Speaker 2: machinery you need. You had a machine that you got
- 52:08Speaker 2: killed with later in the movie. Like, what do you,
- 52:11Speaker 2: you clearly have the technology, my friend. So that was hilarious.
- 52:15Speaker 2: So anyway, instead of fucking setting her on fire, like
- 52:19Speaker 2: you should. he drowns her. And I did like the drown.
- 52:22Speaker 2: I thought it was cool because they have her like
- 52:24Speaker 2: almost tied up fucking Jesus Christ style crucified kind of,
- 52:28Speaker 2: but you know, nothing in the hands. She's on this big,
- 52:30Speaker 2: just fucking pole. What do you, what do you even
- 52:33Speaker 2: call that?
- 52:34Speaker 3: I don't know. It kind of looked like a telephone pole.
- 52:36Speaker 3: It looked like a.
- 52:37Speaker 2: Square telephone pole. And then they cut this rope for
- 52:40Speaker 2: some reason. Cause I guess it's holding it up. And
- 52:42Speaker 2: then she just face plants into the water. And since
- 52:45Speaker 2: she's tied to this pole, she drowned. And I was like,
- 52:49Speaker 2: that's an interesting way to drown somebody. Usually you just,
- 52:51Speaker 2: you know, put con, you know, fill their shoes with concrete,
- 52:53Speaker 2: but I guess, you know, 1692, they didn't have that. So, um,
- 52:58Speaker 2: but then you get the, the great connection here, which
- 53:00Speaker 2: is what I really liked. I don't remember David even
- 53:03Speaker 2: obtaining this fucking crucifix, but he does.
- 53:08Speaker 3: So the crucifix was pulled out of the lake when
- 53:12Speaker 3: they were trying to find the police officer. And it
- 53:16Speaker 3: didn't really come back into play until he went to
- 53:21Speaker 3: the Catholic Church. Right.
- 53:22Speaker 2: Elvira did mention, she's like, that crucifix, you should have
- 53:27Speaker 2: stayed there. You may have just doomed everyone. Now she's free.
- 53:31Speaker 2: She doesn't have to just hide under the guise of knights.
- 53:35Speaker 2: And in my mind, I'm like, put it fucking back.
- 53:38Speaker 2: And he doesn't put it back again. Another just out
- 53:41Speaker 2: of pocket thing that happens like you might.
- 53:44Speaker 3: And then it's used like a key because it just
- 53:46Speaker 3: like holds it up to the locked doors. And it
- 53:50Speaker 3: was like finding the key in a Resident Evil game
- 53:53Speaker 3: that shaped like a spade.
- 53:54Speaker 2: It's so great. So he takes this to the church,
- 53:56Speaker 2: of course. And then I think when he's reading the book,
- 54:01Speaker 2: like the book kind of lights on fire or something.
- 54:03Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 54:03Speaker 3: Yeah, it catches on fire for a minute. I don't
- 54:05Speaker 3: know if.
- 54:06Speaker 2: That was a crucifix's fault or not. But anyways, that
- 54:08Speaker 2: crucifix would inevitably connect why everything is happening. So the
- 54:14Speaker 2: crucifix was, I guess, buried with the witch, whatever, and
- 54:19Speaker 2: used as a seal to kind of tie her and
- 54:22Speaker 2: bind her to this lake where she would be trapped. Well,
- 54:25Speaker 2: you remove the crucifix and now the bitch is free.
- 54:28Speaker 2: So yeah, David kind of really shit the bed on
- 54:31Speaker 2: that one by taking it, hearing that he probably caused
- 54:35Speaker 2: an issue and then not returning it to said place,
- 54:38Speaker 2: but then stabbing a child with it instead. Motivation's off
- 54:42Speaker 2: the chart. I don't know where this guy came from,
- 54:44Speaker 2: but man, he was definitely not making the best decisions
- 54:48Speaker 2: in the movie.
- 54:49Speaker 3: He made one good decision like, oh, here, take my
- 54:52Speaker 3: keys and get out of here.
- 54:54Speaker 2: That's true.
- 54:54Speaker 3: And she's dead.
- 54:57Speaker 2: She still died. I'm just realizing now how terrible David
- 55:03Speaker 2: is at making decisions because everyone is basically dead because
- 55:07Speaker 2: of him. I'm just realizing this now. And it's like,
- 55:11Speaker 2: he's not even an unlikable person. He's a very likable person.
- 55:15Speaker 2: But when you actually think about all the decisions he
- 55:17Speaker 2: made and how terribly things went, you're just like, how
- 55:21Speaker 2: have you survived this long in life? I mean, I
- 55:24Speaker 2: guess he didn't because he does die in the end.
- 55:25Speaker 2: He gets dragged into the lake, which is fucking great.
- 55:28Speaker 2: So that's how the movie is connected with the crucifix
- 55:30Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And I was wondering if they
- 55:32Speaker 2: were actually going to explain. And I'm very happy they did.
- 55:36Speaker 2: And I'm satisfied with that answer because that actually fucking
- 55:39Speaker 2: makes sense.
- 55:40Speaker 3: You.
- 55:41Speaker 2: seal this person with the holy symbol of something because,
- 55:44Speaker 2: you know, she's the daughter of Satan.
- 55:46Speaker 3: Cool.
- 55:46Speaker 2: That, that works for me. Uh, so I really liked
- 55:49Speaker 2: that at that explanation. Uh, I did want to go through,
- 55:51Speaker 2: I had some funny quirks here that I wrote down
- 55:53Speaker 2: because there was a lot of quirky shit happening in
- 55:55Speaker 2: this movie. First one I noticed is one of my
- 55:59Speaker 2: favorites just in movies in general. And it's when someone's
- 56:02Speaker 2: kind of like in a room, they're not supposed to
- 56:04Speaker 2: be like smoking a cigarette or whatever. And someone's like
- 56:07Speaker 2: knocks on the door. And they toss a cigarette and
- 56:09Speaker 2: they just waft the air like, yep, 10 out of 10,
- 56:12Speaker 2: that's not going to smell like a cigarette in there
- 56:13Speaker 2: at all.
- 56:15Speaker 3: I literally fucking, that scene happened and I turned to
- 56:18Speaker 3: the wife and I was just like, bro, like we
- 56:21Speaker 3: all know it still stinks like smokes in there.
- 56:23Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not solving any problems here. That same man, David,
- 56:29Speaker 2: would also go into this house that they were going
- 56:31Speaker 2: to renovate. picks something off of the wall with his
- 56:34Speaker 2: finger and then licks it and tastes it. This isn't
- 56:38Speaker 2: even a common quirk in movies. This was just a
- 56:39Speaker 2: quirk in this movie. Dude, that's how you get hepatitis
- 56:42Speaker 2: A through Z. What are we doing?
- 56:44Speaker 3: I did wonder about that. But then he tells the
- 56:47Speaker 3: other guy to smell it. So I was like, was he,
- 56:50Speaker 3: was he tasting it or did it just look like that?
- 56:53Speaker 3: And he was also smelling it, but he said straight
- 56:56Speaker 3: up looked like he fucking tasted it.
- 56:57Speaker 2: He said this, Oh, that tastes weird. And I was like,
- 56:59Speaker 2: why are we eating this? Oh, yeah. He's like, he
- 57:03Speaker 2: mentioned something about the taste. And that's why I was like,
- 57:05Speaker 2: did you just put that in your mouth?
- 57:07Speaker 3: What?
- 57:08Speaker 2: And then you tell this guy to smell it. And
- 57:10Speaker 2: he's like, no, I don't want to smell it. It's
- 57:12Speaker 2: probably ectoplasm or something.
- 57:13Speaker 3: It's like sticking your finger up your ass and then
- 57:16Speaker 3: telling somebody to sniff it.
- 57:17Speaker 2: Smell funny.
- 57:18Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 57:18Speaker 2: It smells like your ass. Another quirk that's just related
- 57:23Speaker 2: to this movie is that fucking kid. Justin being like,
- 57:25Speaker 2: oh my God, everybody, we got a pool brother. That's
- 57:28Speaker 2: a lake. That's a whole fucking pond. That's not a pool. My, my, my,
- 57:34Speaker 2: my brother in Christ, that is not a pool. Uh,
- 57:37Speaker 2: and then I already, we already mentioned the one where
- 57:39Speaker 2: the body swings down from the ceiling, just some quirky
- 57:41Speaker 2: shit happening in this movie. So I think I'm going
- 57:44Speaker 2: to close with this because I'm wondering, can this witch
- 57:48Speaker 2: actually be killed? Because no matter what, she seems to
- 57:52Speaker 2: survive everything.
- 57:54Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Cause he burned her ass and. Yeah. Yeah.
- 57:58Speaker 2: And I really liked that idea of throwing the gas
- 58:02Speaker 2: on the lake to try and burn the lake to
- 58:03Speaker 2: purify it. I was like, that's such a cool idea.
- 58:07Speaker 2: And then that's when Mary comes out, and she's like,
- 58:10Speaker 2: you can't kill me. I can never be dead. I
- 58:11Speaker 2: was like, oh, my God. She's like a fucking manifestation
- 58:16Speaker 2: from the witch, because obviously witches can do hooky, spooky stuff.
- 58:19Speaker 2: So clearly she is like an avatar of the witch.
- 58:23Speaker 2: And then he straight up just stabs her with the crucifix. Uh,
- 58:27Speaker 2: she dies, but then he still gets pulled into the lake.
- 58:29Speaker 2: So it's almost like this superstition, this, this, this entity
- 58:34Speaker 2: is just cannot be defeated in any way, shape or form.
- 58:37Speaker 2: And it's kind of a bleak ending because everyone dies.
- 58:39Speaker 2: And I think it ends with like the witch cackling.
- 58:42Speaker 2: So it's, it's almost like we'd never got part two.
- 58:45Speaker 2: Oh my God. I would, I'd love a follow-up to this.
- 58:48Speaker 2: You could easily make a sequel to this movie. I'm
- 58:51Speaker 2: kind of surprised they didn't, especially given that it was
- 58:53Speaker 2: the 80s, and sequels were all the fucking rage in
- 58:57Speaker 2: the 80s.
- 58:58Speaker 3: I mean... Especially if... Yeah, and it didn't even matter
- 59:00Speaker 3: if a movie made money. Right. Still got sequels.
- 59:03Speaker 2: So, it's really interesting. It's like, the ending kind of
- 59:07Speaker 2: makes the witch's immortality like very clear. Destroying one manifestation
- 59:12Speaker 2: is not necessarily going to destroy the underlying supernatural force.
- 59:16Speaker 2: Even burning the pond in the crucifix can only temporarily
- 59:20Speaker 2: hurt or repel. But neither of them proves to be
- 59:23Speaker 2: completely efficient in ending the actual curse. Because before she dies...
- 59:28Speaker 2: She curses basically anyone who walks onto that land and
- 59:32Speaker 2: literally everybody dies. So she's a woman of her word.
- 59:35Speaker 2: She lives up to that word, even if it's been
- 59:38Speaker 2: 300 years. So everyone should take the hint and get
- 59:42Speaker 2: off that land. But yeah, I mean, this movie is
- 59:46Speaker 2: such a wackadoo. goofy yet serious because everyone in the
- 59:52Speaker 2: movie is taking it very seriously but as a third
- 59:55Speaker 2: party it's just it's like so subjectively funny because you're
- 1:00:00Speaker 2: like this is loony like this is a cartoon i'm
- 1:00:03Speaker 2: watching a cartoon right now what's fucking happening who's on
- 1:00:06Speaker 2: first so ultimately i love this movie i think it's
- 1:00:11Speaker 2: such a fun time um could have expanded in some
- 1:00:14Speaker 2: areas but could have cut down in other areas, but
- 1:00:18Speaker 2: really it's, it's, if you wanted an, like I remember
- 1:00:21Speaker 2: positive now, granted I was watching it on like 1.25 speed, whatever,
- 1:00:25Speaker 2: but like the first time I actually paused to like
- 1:00:26Speaker 2: go to the bathroom, I was at like an hour
- 1:00:28Speaker 2: and one minute. And I was like, Oh, there's like
- 1:00:31Speaker 2: 20 minutes left of this movie.
- 1:00:32Speaker 4: Wow.
- 1:00:33Speaker 2: This went by real quick. So it is a very
- 1:00:35Speaker 2: good time. I really wish it was streaming more places,
- 1:00:38Speaker 2: but it does have a Blu-ray you can grab, uh,
- 1:00:41Speaker 2: closing thoughts on a superstition.
- 1:00:43Speaker 3: Here, man, right there with you. Just, uh, What did
- 1:00:46Speaker 3: you call it? An 80s... What?
- 1:00:49Speaker 2: An 80s wackadoo cartoon?
- 1:00:53Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I'm right there with you on that.
- 1:00:57Speaker 2: Yeah, it completely came out of nowhere. This movie's just
- 1:01:01Speaker 2: been hiding.
- 1:01:02Speaker 3: This movie, I've seen the poster a fucking quadrillion times,
- 1:01:08Speaker 3: and it's always been like the backburner kind of movie.
- 1:01:13Speaker 3: Glad to finally have watched it.
- 1:01:15Speaker 2: Glad yeah i'm glad to have finally uh watched it
- 1:01:18Speaker 2: as well all right so that is superstition from 1982
- 1:01:22Speaker 2: let's go into the final cut here so taglines you'll
- 1:01:27Speaker 2: believe it just before you die dot dot dot dot
- 1:01:31Speaker 2: dot dot you should have believed those those those are
- 1:01:35Speaker 2: two separate taglines terror oh okay yeah those are two
- 1:01:39Speaker 2: two separate ones Terror that grabs the scream right from
- 1:01:42Speaker 2: your throat, it's everything you've ever feared, and the victims
- 1:01:46Speaker 2: who died were the lucky ones.
- 1:01:49Speaker 3: Trivia!
- 1:01:49Speaker 2: Superstition was actually extremely popular on pre-cert video in the
- 1:01:54Speaker 2: UK on the VCT label in the early 80s. It
- 1:01:58Speaker 2: was so popular that it actually got a subsequent cinema
- 1:02:00Speaker 2: release in 1984 under The Witch, courtesy of Bordeaux Films International.
- 1:02:05Speaker 2: This is one of the few times a video release
- 1:02:07Speaker 2: was followed up by a theatrical release rather than the
- 1:02:10Speaker 2: other way around. It was then re-released on Stablecane under
- 1:02:14Speaker 2: the title The Witch, and again on video shortly afterwards.
- 1:02:18Speaker 2: So apparently this was gangbusters in the 80s, and I
- 1:02:23Speaker 2: can see why. The movie was originally a simple story
- 1:02:26Speaker 2: about a family moving into a house haunted by a witch.
- 1:02:29Speaker 2: Makes sense. The characters Mary and Arlen... The scenes at
- 1:02:33Speaker 2: the lake and the flashback sequences were all added after
- 1:02:36Speaker 2: principal photography had wrapped. The producer felt these new elements
- 1:02:40Speaker 2: would make the movie more exciting. Can't disagree, honestly. I
- 1:02:44Speaker 2: can't say that I... What am I trying to say?
- 1:02:48Speaker 2: I'm just going to say I agree. That makes more sense.
- 1:02:50Speaker 2: I'm trying to do too many double negatives. That never works.
- 1:02:52Speaker 3: That kind of explains the movie then. So it was
- 1:02:55Speaker 3: more of like a witch slasher and then they were like, nah,
- 1:02:58Speaker 3: let's do this. Let's do this.
- 1:03:03Speaker 2: Much like me, after going to rehab, James Houghton had
- 1:03:07Speaker 2: quit smoking eight years before he was cast as Reverend
- 1:03:10Speaker 2: David Thompson. Director James W. Robertson insisted that the character smoke,
- 1:03:15Speaker 2: but Houghton was hesitant because he didn't want to relapse.
- 1:03:18Speaker 2: Robertson convinced him to do it, and Houghton picked up
- 1:03:21Speaker 2: smoking again for the next several years. Yep, been there.
- 1:03:26Speaker 3: I don't even remember him smoking other than in that
- 1:03:29Speaker 3: one scene.
- 1:03:30Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, all it takes is one.
- 1:03:32Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no. I know. But like, why, why
- 1:03:34Speaker 3: be so adamant just to put it in one seat?
- 1:03:36Speaker 3: You asshole.
- 1:03:37Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I don't really remember him doing it any
- 1:03:39Speaker 2: other time either. That's weird. I'd be like, nah, man,
- 1:03:43Speaker 2: I better be fucking smoking a pack a day in
- 1:03:45Speaker 2: this movie. If you're making me smoke, uh, here's some,
- 1:03:48Speaker 2: here's some just great petty goofs, just the pettiest of goofs. Um,
- 1:03:53Speaker 2: so obvious doll used when man is hanged in the elevator.
- 1:03:57Speaker 2: No shit. They didn't actually hang someone. Um, The film
- 1:04:02Speaker 2: depicts a Catholic priest of St. Luke's Parish leading a
- 1:04:04Speaker 2: witch burning in 1692, the year of the Salem witch burnings.
- 1:04:08Speaker 2: But there are no Catholic colonies in New England in 1692.
- 1:04:12Speaker 2: Catholics had little presence anywhere in the 17th century American
- 1:04:16Speaker 2: colonies apart from Maryland. Who fucking cares? Nerd. Nerd! Rated 5.7
- 1:04:22Speaker 2: out of 10 on IMDb, 2.85 out of 5 for
- 1:04:23Speaker 2: the Nightmare Index. 3.02 out of 5 on Letterboxd. It
- 1:04:31Speaker 2: has a dash dash on Rotten Tomatoes for the tomato meter,
- 1:04:36Speaker 2: so not enough critics have rated it for it to
- 1:04:40Speaker 2: get an aggregate. But it does have a 41% audience score,
- 1:04:44Speaker 2: which I think is quite low. But I don't like
- 1:04:46Speaker 2: Rotten Tomatoes anyways, so whatever. Derek, what did you give
- 1:04:49Speaker 2: this movie?
- 1:04:51Speaker 3: I gave it a 3.5.
- 1:04:52Speaker 2: Okay, so I enjoyed this a little bit more. I
- 1:04:56Speaker 2: gave it a 4.5. For no reason other than the
- 1:05:00Speaker 2: fact that it's just so wacky. So that gives us
- 1:05:04Speaker 2: a nightmare index of a 3.47. Let's see where that
- 1:05:09Speaker 2: lands here down on the list. All right, 3.47 is
- 1:05:13Speaker 2: going to be, oh, interesting. I'm going to have to
- 1:05:16Speaker 2: get into second decimal places here. So it is above
- 1:05:19Speaker 2: the resurrected at a 3.44 and tied as of now,
- 1:05:24Speaker 2: I will get back with you, with Silver Bullet at
- 1:05:27Speaker 2: a 3.7 out of 5. Also, I forgot to mention
- 1:05:30Speaker 2: this up top, but from the corrections department, Hocum is
- 1:05:34Speaker 2: tied at number 5 with Renfield at a 3.892, literally,
- 1:05:39Speaker 2: a 3.892. Crazy. Just above Ginger Snaps at 3.76 and
- 1:05:43Speaker 2: just underneath the others at a 3.89 out of 5.
- 1:05:46Speaker 2: So there's your Nightmare Index update. All right, so similar
- 1:05:50Speaker 2: movies according to IMDb. We have.
- 1:05:55Speaker 2: The Kindred, The Boogans, The Beast Within, Visiting Hours, and
- 1:05:58Speaker 2: The Nest. Similar movies, according to Letterboxd, we have Ghost House,
- 1:06:01Speaker 2: The Conjuring, The House by the Cemetery, Dead Silence, and
- 1:06:05Speaker 2: Halloween IV, The Curse of Michael Myers. Okay.
- 1:06:11Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.
- 1:06:12Speaker 2: Why not?
- 1:06:13Speaker 3: At least the first list of movies I hadn't even seen,
- 1:06:15Speaker 3: so I couldn't compare.
- 1:06:16Speaker 2: I've seen The Kindred, yes. I've seen Visiting Hours, sure.
- 1:06:22Speaker 2: I have the boogans, or no, wait, is that the boogeyman?
- 1:06:24Speaker 2: I think I have the boogeyman from Vinegar Syndrome. Anyways,
- 1:06:29Speaker 2: funny reviews. Smoke them if you got them. I only
- 1:06:31Speaker 2: found two. It's one of those instances where everyone is
- 1:06:35Speaker 2: just going on a multi-paragraph thing, which, again, is not
- 1:06:39Speaker 2: a problem, but it makes it harder for me to
- 1:06:42Speaker 2: find just like a one-sentence thing. So I only have
- 1:06:45Speaker 2: two for you, but they're not too bad. Let's see
- 1:06:47Speaker 2: what we got here. We got four stars from May I?
- 1:06:51Speaker 2: May I? M E Y I never fuck with some
- 1:06:55Speaker 2: old witch as she gonna come gunning for you. Oh
- 1:06:57Speaker 2: my God. I can't, that's too many, but four and
- 1:07:00Speaker 2: a half from Colin superstition is a first rate haunted house,
- 1:07:04Speaker 2: which slasher the opening scene alone is better than everything
- 1:07:08Speaker 2: in the Friday, the 13th franchise. That is a bold statement.
- 1:07:14Speaker 3: That is an extremely bold.
- 1:07:16Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with that, but whatever. Um, also
- 1:07:20Speaker 2: I forgot to give hokum a slap because it did
- 1:07:23Speaker 2: qualify as a fright mare certified slap.
- 1:07:25Speaker 3: So I'll do it because I also gave that movie
- 1:07:28Speaker 3: a five.
- 1:07:28Speaker 2: So there you go. That is a all around or
- 1:07:31Speaker 2: a certified slap. This one, I guess technically if you
- 1:07:35Speaker 2: combine our scores into an aggregate, it would be a
- 1:07:37Speaker 2: four out of five. So I guess it's an honorary
- 1:07:39Speaker 2: slap for, uh, for, I guess that's the first honorary
- 1:07:43Speaker 2: one we've done for, uh, for this movie, because you know,
- 1:07:45Speaker 2: if you average out a three and a half and
- 1:07:46Speaker 2: a four and a half boom, right in the middle
- 1:07:48Speaker 2: math is crazy. Um, if you enjoy, sorry, Derek, where
- 1:07:52Speaker 2: can everybody find you on social media that I know
- 1:07:54Speaker 2: you forgot that I'm going to make you try to
- 1:07:55Speaker 2: remember on the spot right now?
- 1:07:57Speaker 3: No, what are you talking about? I'm HFKs movie house
- 1:08:00Speaker 3: on Tik TOK. I am on, uh, Instagram as HFK. 48.
- 1:08:10Speaker 3: Why can't I just keep my names? Uh, I'm on
- 1:08:13Speaker 3: letterboxd as D D.
- 1:08:18Speaker 2: And actually, it might be DF. I think it might be.
- 1:08:22Speaker 3: You're right. I think it might just be DF. Well,
- 1:08:24Speaker 3: that I mean, my letterbox came around long before. And
- 1:08:29Speaker 3: I'm actually posting on Facebook, but I haven't been using Facebook.
- 1:08:34Speaker 3: I've just been using Instagram to cross post to both.
- 1:08:38Speaker 2: It says you rated superstition three lying son of a bitch.
- 1:08:42Speaker 3: What? No, I gave it a three and a half.
- 1:08:44Speaker 2: I'm looking at a three right now.
- 1:08:46Speaker 3: Oh, well remind me to change that. Cause I even
- 1:08:48Speaker 3: remember saying it to my wife that it was a
- 1:08:51Speaker 3: three and a half.
- 1:08:52Speaker 2: Uh, so your, so your actual handle to search for
- 1:08:57Speaker 2: is horror film kid 48 on letterbox, but the name
- 1:09:00Speaker 2: is going to show up as df dat fucker.
- 1:09:04Speaker 3: That fucker yeah that fucking guy i think i tried
- 1:09:08Speaker 3: to change that and it just didn't work old man
- 1:09:11Speaker 3: yeah one of those old man ferreira That's me.
- 1:09:15Speaker 2: Old man Proctor. So if you enjoy the show, guys,
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- 1:09:38Speaker 2: the Dead Eye Millennial Film Club, and one week rental
- 1:09:41Speaker 2: as well. I don't know. I'm like stroking my beard
- 1:09:43Speaker 2: like I'm thinking really hard right now, and I'm just
- 1:09:46Speaker 2: reading shit. Next week, Corey and I are going to
- 1:09:49Speaker 2: be doing The Covenant from 2006 as our wild card pick.
- 1:09:53Speaker 2: This was a request from Corey, and the last time
- 1:09:56Speaker 2: he requested a movie was Darkness Falls, which by all
- 1:09:59Speaker 2: accounts is not a great movie, but it is a
- 1:10:01Speaker 2: fun fucking time, and I expect nothing less from The Covenant.
- 1:10:05Speaker 2: It is streaming on Tubi if you want to check
- 1:10:06Speaker 2: it out. And that'll be our bonus episode for this month.
- 1:10:11Speaker 2: I don't know if I've mentioned it already, but next
- 1:10:13Speaker 2: month we are doing cosmic horror slash Lovecraftian horror. It's
- 1:10:16Speaker 2: going to be a lot of fun. So until next week, guys,
- 1:10:19Speaker 2: stay tuned and stay spooky. Thank you for listening.
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