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Taylor Decker is on my All-22 fantasy
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team. Stop. They don't care.
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So the strategic component to this game
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is through the roof.
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Addictions, right? You're forecasting in
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fantasy football into how good is this
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player? This is gonna, it's gonna change
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the industry. Yeah, I moved to the Old
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Town. Let me know
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my goals down. I'll hold it down, Make
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myself proud. Everybody welcome into
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another all 22 daily. Had a great
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game last night, Ray. Did you ever think
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the Vikings were gonna pull it out? No,
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no, not for a second after the second
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turnover that they had after forcing A
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turnover of their own. You knew exactly
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how this game was going to go, and it's
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pretty much exactly how it went. It's
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just, I don't know how Vikings fans do
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it. Eagles win
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34-28 We talked about how the
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Eagles O line had a kind kind of
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difficult week one and they needed to do
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a lot better to give up 13 pressures in
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week 1. Yesterday they gave up only
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three. Jordan Mailata had a career game
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96.9 PFF grade.
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But Minnesota's defense was kind of the
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story early on. They were putting up a
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really good fight. We saw Ivan Pace
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Junior and Daniel Hunter each have a few
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hurries getting to the quarterback,
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making Jalen Hurts uncomfortable. But it
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just really wasn't enough, right? It just
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wasn't enough. Yeah, they they they just
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don't have much talent at all on that
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side of the ball. After someone like
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Daniel Hunter and Ivan Pace has come out
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of nowhere and you hope you can keep it
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up, that's great. But the personnel is
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just not there defensively For the
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Vikings, it's so they just they just wore
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down. It was just a matter of not being
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up to snuff or up to par with their
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opponent, which is the Eagles because
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like you mentioned, I mean Jalen Hertz
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didn't play well. I mean he, he really
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struggled almost the entire night. He
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hit, he had a beautiful pass. DeVonta
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Smith for the touchdown which was
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fantastic, but down to down for the
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rest of the game he was he was
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struggling when when the
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Vikings brought pressure and and he had
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to go off his first read, he he he wasn't
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able to just have that quick trigger and
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then they would kind of mix it up just
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enough where if the Eagles would would
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then pass the ball they would drop 8
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every now and again just enough to keep
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them off balance. And yeah, it. I
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mean it ultimately didn't matter because
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again. They're just man for man, just
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more talented than the Vikings defense,
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and they were able to just run the ball
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pretty much whenever they wanted. So we
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ended up not mattering. But early on it
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was it was a it was a pretty good effort
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from the Vikings defense at first before
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wearing down. I was so impressed with
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Devonta Smith. He's really shown what he
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is like this amazing route runner. He
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only had it three or four catches,
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nothing super impressive. But the
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the play where he missed the DB deep
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downfield, Jalen Hurts really under
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through him. He made a play that was
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essentially a game saving play, right
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like this was a 1 touchdown game if it
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wasn't for Justin Jefferson fumbling
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through the end zone. It might have
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actually been a different ball game. And
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we talked about those turnovers,
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Alexander Madison turning the ball
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over. Justin Jefferson turning the ball
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over. Like I I was very impressed with
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Cousins and Addison and Jefferson, what
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they were able to do. But the turnovers
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just absolutely killed them and Madison's
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grade really reflected it. So if you
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started Madison, you know, running back
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position, not that important, yadda,
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yadda, yadda still hurts having like a 40
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something grade sitting on your starting
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starting lineup, Yeah, you definitely
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wouldn't have gotten that from us. When
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it comes to starting Madison, so yeah,
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that's. There, there. I understand.
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Low value, you know, running back, you
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kind of put it on the back burner. But to
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completely neglect it to where your
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primary guy is, Alexander Mattison
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and and what else? Yeah,
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that's that's a bit much. It's
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kind of malpractice to be honest, cause
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Kirk Cousins deserves a lot better than
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what he got. I mean the offensive line is
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banged up. They're hurt. It is what it is
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there. So I went out, was it Brian
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O'Neill, who also got hurt later on in
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that game too. We already know the
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interior of they're aligned. They were
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missing the starting center. So the
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everything in front of him is just super.
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It's just decimated and he put on a show.
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I was really impressed with Kirk Cousins.
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That might be one of the best games of
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his career and the environment was not
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very good for him to actually put up a
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performance like that and he still balled
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out. So shame that such a great
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performance went went to waste. Such a
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good performance with Jalen Carter, Josh
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Swett, Fletcher Cox and Jordan Davis
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constantly, constantly being in his
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face. He put up a great game and you
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already hear the The Jets rumors.
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Swirling that you know if there's
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anybody that The Jets are going to go
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after, you know that's the guy.
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Didn't you? Was it you a couple weeks ago
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or maybe a few weeks ago now? You said,
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hey, maybe the Vikings should go all in.
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What do they do here?And well, it seems
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to be trending the opposite what we went,
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it was like. It wasn't that I thought
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they should go all in. It was they should
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have gone all in and instead they traded
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away guys like Cedarius Smith, like they
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gave up on some of their older star
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players. But if you're a team now, you
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know, getting Aaron Rodgers out of your
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division and you have an opportunity,
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right? The Lions are still kind of
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unproven. Why? Why are you
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selling?When you have a veteran
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quarterback and and Cousins, you know,
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like you could sit here, people sit here
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all day and just bash, Kirk Cousin said.
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He's not a Super Bowl winning caliber
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player, but the the Vikings aren't really
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giving him that opportunity and I think
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if we put Cousins on this Jets team.
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I don't think it diminishes much lower
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than what they expected to achieve with
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Rogers there.
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Yeah, it could be. I mean, he's cut. He
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would come in mid season and who knows
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what that adjustments like and and how
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that would all play out and how long it
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would take him to actually get back up to
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speaking. I do think a lot of his
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performances now are a result of being
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comfortable in that offense, despite the
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fact that the offense around him is not
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as good as it has been. Right? The skill
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players, yes, on the outside, but at
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running back and especially on that
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offensive line, it's just been super
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banged up. He's still playing well, I
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think in part because he's just out
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there. It's just everything is so quick
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and easy for him from a schematic and
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system standpoint where he might not have
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that same benefit in New York. But on
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the flip side, kind of like you said, the
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personnel in New York right now is in a
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much stronger place than it is in
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Minnesota. They have a great defense over
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there. With The Jets, they have, you
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know, Garrett Wilson. So yeah, you don't
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have Justin Jefferson, but you have
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someone like Garrett Wilson. You have a
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great rushing attack too. And if that
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offensive line is healthy, that's a
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pretty decent offensive line. We'll say
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that and then we'll see how guys like.
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Backed in and Vera Tucker really
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developed, but at the very least it's a
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decent offensive line. I don't know the
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likelihood of this of that actually
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happening. I mean when has that actually
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happened like ever in the NFL A a
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top let's call it Top 14 just to be very
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conservative starting quarterback being
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traded in season to
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to a team after an injury to their
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starter. Maybe it's happened but it
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definitely hasn't been recent if if in
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the last couple of decades, no, yeah for
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sure. And I mean I think on top of that
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like. I don't know if
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the I don't. I have no faith in Nathaniel
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Hackett. Like absolutely zero. And with
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the offensive line being as rough as it
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is, I don't think Cousins is
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like situation on offense would be much
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better, right? Like it doesn't get better
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than Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison
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is looking pretty good. Brian O'Neill is
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a really good player. Christian Darrisaw
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is a really good player. Like, I honestly
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think that offense might be better, but
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it's the complete situation that would
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give him an opportunity to win, right? I
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don't really have much faith in Nathaniel
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Hackett. At all. So, umm, you
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know, I think Cousins is a good player,
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but yeah, we'll see.
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But OK, let's let's leave the Cousins
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rumors aside. We'll move on. And we
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promised a few extra starters for this
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weekend guys that we would start. And
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Ray, why don't you, why don't you kick
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that off? Sure. So
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surprise, surprise. I'm actually going to
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stay with some of The Jets talk we were
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talking about and go with someone on the
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other side of the wall for their
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opponent. I like to Marcus Lawrence this
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week And so yeah, he's over 30
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years old now. Maybe he doesn't have
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that. Name and star power that he's had
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earlier in his career, but we know he's a
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well-rounded veteran with a good profile,
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right? His last six years of just
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run defense grading right, we have 80.681
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point, 983.279 793.2 point
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and then he was 68.2. Last year we saw
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that dip through week one he was 71.8,
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right? But you see here a very
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consistently very good run
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defender and I think.
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You know, going into this Dallas team and
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defense in particular, they invested.
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We've talked about this, how they
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invested in the interior of that
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defensive line. They have Jonathan
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Hankins back for a full offseason and
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then drafted Mozzy Smith, two guys that
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really profiled strongly against the run,
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which was their weakness last year,
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right, which could have contributed to
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some of that dip that we saw in DeMarcus
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Lawrence's game in 2022
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and. We mentioned
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in the previous Daily episode how Drake
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Jackson, one of the reasons we were both
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high on him in week two is because he's
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opposite Nick Bosa and how that helps his
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game. And I think the same applies for
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whoever is opposite Micah Parsons. And we
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saw that in week one with Dorrance
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Armstrong being the opposite edge rusher
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who had like a 90 plus grade for the
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Cowboys in week one had a ton of
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pressures and a couple sacks against the
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Giants. But this week The Jets
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are probably more likely to run the. Off
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for a majority of the game, unlike the
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Giants. Because I think that The Jets
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defense at least keeps the game close
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enough so that The Jets are still
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somewhat in striking distance so they
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don't put too much on Zach Wilson's
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plate. And so if The Jets are running the
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ball, I think that plays more into
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DeMarcus Lawrence's hand to be the
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the beneficiary, if you will, of the edge
10:15
rusher opposite Micah Parsons on the
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other side of that defense. I think that
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plays into his hands and his strengths.
10:21
This week, so I it could
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be any edge rusher across from Micah
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Parsons, but I think the way the game
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script is likely to set up and play out
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in week two, I think DeMarcus Lawrence is
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going to be a big beneficiary of that in
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Week 2. It's a great thing. I mean
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anybody on the Cowboys defense this week
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is likely a good start. Zach Wilson
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didn't look good last week. The offensive
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line looked really bad for The Jets and
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this is this is a defense that
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just made a Giants offense
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with you know Andrew Thomas and other you
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know half decent offensive lineman look
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horrible. So what they what I expect them
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to do to to the joint had a one grade
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sorry I just had to throw that out there
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his pass blocking grade. One, I've never
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seen that before. Yeah. One,
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yeah. So I expect, I expect bad things to
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happen. So I think, yeah, you're spot on
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with that one. I'm going to go in a very
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similar direction and.
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With the Giants, actually. So Dexter
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Lawrence, you have Leonard Williams.
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Those guys are must starts this week. But
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I'm going to go with a guy in a
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situation. So you might be in a situation
11:28
where you desperately need somebody to
11:30
fill in as your, you know, your D lineman
11:33
, 3A guy that you could just plug in
11:34
there that can get a high grade. And I
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think in most weeks that's hard to do
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right? Like it's hard to find that guy
11:41
that you trust to get you enough snaps,
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get you a high enough grade. But the
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Giants are playing the Cardinals this
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week and the Cardinals. We all
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expected it were pretty bad, right? They
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were pretty bad. They were actually
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better than we expected them to be. But
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their center Yelda
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fromhold had a
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646.9 PFF grade
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the center there. So I expect
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some of these defensive interiors on the
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Giants to absolutely feast. And they have
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a guy named Jordan Riley who's
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essentially their third rotation in that
12:13
defensive interior group who only had 17
12:15
snaps last week, but he did a lot with
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them and he had 74.2. PFF
12:20
grade, he had to stop. He had a few extra
12:23
pressures like he looked. He looked
12:24
pretty good, right? I expect them to give
12:26
him more opportunity. Leonard Williams
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isn't a young guy. I think that rotation
12:30
is going to become. If they could get a
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third guy, I think they're going to use
12:33
that rotation more. And I also expect
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like, yes, the Giants looked pitiful last
12:38
week against what I like. I kind of
12:40
talked about what I think is a Super Bowl
12:42
caliber defense in in Dallas.
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But when they go against the Cardinals, I
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think they're going to look like the
12:48
Cowboys did last week against them, like
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it's going to be a different situation,
12:51
and I think they could look really good.
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What I mean by that is I think they could
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get in a place where Jordan Riley ends up
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getting like 30 snaps because it's not
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that competitive of a football game. So
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if that does happen, this is a guy I
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would feel really confident just plugging
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into that defensive interior three spot,
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letting him ride right. You only need 15
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snaps there and if you could get a
13:12
7576 grade from
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from some guy you could pick off free
13:16
agency like that's a pretty good week. So
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something maybe to think about doing.
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Yeah, I think there's a lot of people.
13:24
Doubting the Giants and not that there's
13:26
not reason to doubt the Giants overall,
13:28
right? But I think the one thing to keep
13:30
in mind is this is not the kind of
13:31
situation where like the head coach is
13:34
kind of a dead man walking or is on the
13:36
hot seat heading into the the start of
13:38
the season. And then they have a
13:39
performance like they did against the
13:41
Cowboys week one and you can kind of see
13:43
the team as a whole really start to erode
13:45
and kind of just tune them out and quit
13:47
essentially on the coach. This is not
13:50
that and I think you know dabble and that
13:52
staff there I think they have them ready
13:54
to go and. The Cardinals are the team to
13:56
get right against, so I could see it
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playing out that way too. I think we have
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to kind of tap the brakes a bit on, on on
14:03
just, you know, we've we've reversed the
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bus over the Giants enough already over
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the past week. Exactly. And how many of
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the Cowboys touchdowns were
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defensive or special? Yeah, right,
14:16
exactly. Field goal
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block the pick six.
14:21
There might be another another big six. I
14:23
don't know. It was it was it just seemed
14:24
like every time you kind of turned around
14:26
it was another defensive or special teams
14:28
touchdown. Yeah right. So you're talking
14:30
about their defense giving up maybe maybe
14:32
20 points right. So you know that's
14:35
that's a that's an OK game against what
14:37
is a really good offense too in Dallas.
14:39
So I'm. I'm still very high on
14:42
New York's defense so a couple guys there
14:45
I would definitely invest in. But who do
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you got with your next pick right.
14:49
Yes, I'm kind of going into the depths
14:52
of of mediocrity. That
14:54
sounds mean here. I'm going to go with
14:56
John Kaminsky, the edge rusher for the
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Lions. He's probably someone that's
15:02
likely not on many rosters, or if he is,
15:04
he's very much so on the back end of of
15:07
your rotation at edge. But the Seahawks
15:10
offensive line is just in completely dire
15:12
straits without Charles Cross or Abraham
15:15
Lucas. Most likely this week they did
15:17
just sign Jason Peters who is 41 years
15:20
old, you know, again signed on
15:23
Tuesday. I think it was so signed on
15:25
Tuesday 4 days, five days later he he
15:28
does he have to actually block?An
15:31
NFL edge rusher and like respect to Jason
15:33
Peters because that's pretty much what he
15:35
did last year in a sense. But
15:38
I think this is just one of those things
15:40
where the matchup is so good that if
15:43
you're a functional edge rusher, you
15:45
should have your best day against this
15:48
Seahawks line. And if he doesn't here,
15:50
then at this point you might as well drop
15:52
him. Obviously someone like Aidan
15:53
Hutchinson is going to have a fantastic
15:55
game more than likely given this matchup,
15:58
but we're not here to tell you to start
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guys like. In Hutchinson, you already
16:02
know that, right? We're digging a little
16:03
bit deeper here. And John Kaminsky?
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Respectable, solid, you
16:09
know, if not unassuming player. But
16:12
if there's a day for him to have his best
16:14
day, it's this coming weekend.
16:17
That's a good pick in I was mourning
16:20
our boy Abraham Lucas right, headed to
16:22
IR so really bad blow. And then Charles
16:25
Cross too is is dealing with injuries so
16:28
both of their young offensive tackles are
16:30
out. The Lions defense should
16:33
should have a really good day. So I like
16:36
that pic. I'm I'm actually going to stick
16:38
with the Giants and I'm going to go with
16:39
another player. Unfortunately you're not
16:41
to be able to get this one off of free
16:42
agency but it's Deonte Banks
16:45
who last week had a 67 grade, which
16:48
isn't great by any means, but again, he
16:50
was playing the Cowboys and they had
16:51
their backs against the wall the whole
16:52
game. But this week he's playing the
16:54
Cardinals and he's probably going to
16:56
match up with Michael Wilson or Rondale
16:58
Moore. So the competition is
17:01
significantly, you know, worse than what
17:03
he faced last week. And also like, I, I
17:05
kind of like him against Michael Wilson,
17:07
right? I like him against a bigger bodied
17:09
receiver because Banks plays a really
17:11
physical game of corner. Like he plays
17:13
kind of old school corner. I remember
17:15
when we first talked about him and you
17:17
asked me what I thought of him. It's like
17:18
he reminds me of like a Hall of Famer from
17:20
1994, like some guys that we would
17:23
watch back in the day and like they would
17:25
be super physical, they'd lay some sticks
17:28
every once in a while, but they weren't
17:29
necessarily like the best at corner. Like
17:32
they're not sauce gardener, right. That's
17:33
not how they play football, but they're
17:35
good football players and I think Banks
17:37
is kind of that. So I like him against
17:39
the big body guy like Michael Wilson. I
17:41
think we're going to see some some old
17:43
school football there. But I like the
17:45
matchup also because Michael Wilson and
17:47
Rondell Moore. Both graded out in the 50s
17:49
last week, right? So they're not really
17:51
doing anything. Joshua Dobbs doesn't
17:53
scare anybody, right? He might make some
17:55
mistakes and could leave some balls.
17:58
Hang in there for Deonte Banks to go and
18:00
intercept. So I like that matchup. I like
18:03
a couple of the other, again, the Giants
18:04
defense this week. There's a lot of good
18:06
players that I would start, but Banks is
18:08
a guy that you might have been a little,
18:10
you know, you might be a little scared to
18:11
start guys like that. After last week's
18:13
performance. I wouldn't be. I'd go ahead
18:14
and start Banks. That's
18:17
interesting. I mean, I don't hate the
18:18
pick, but I do like Michael Wilson long
18:20
term. You know, young receiver, talented,
18:24
think has a bit of an injury history,
18:25
which might have caused him to kind of
18:26
drop a bit in the draft process, but.
18:29
Solid player, Talented. Has some
18:31
upside, but. Yeah, I mean, you're not
18:33
going to realize that upside. We 2 with
18:35
Josh Dobbs as your quarterback. So
18:37
totally get it. And I think that's kind
18:39
of the theme here that I'm sensing is
18:41
kind of like a it's a get right game for
18:43
a lot of the guys that we like. And I'm
18:46
going to keep that going with Diane
18:47
Dawkins, the tackle from the Bills. I
18:50
think it's a get right game for him too,
18:52
and the Bills as a whole after that
18:54
performance on Monday night. I think the
18:57
big thing here is that Dawkins likely
18:59
won't be lined up against Mason Crosby
19:02
too often, and so with that in mind,
19:05
he should make easy work, honestly, of
19:08
guys like Jerry Tillery or Tyree Wilson,
19:10
who looks like he still has a long way to
19:12
go coming back from the foot of shoe that
19:14
he had earlier on. And you know being a
19:17
rookie just starting in week two of the
19:19
NFL. So I think the Raiders as a whole
19:22
come back down to earth and that the
19:24
Bills right the ship especially on the
19:26
offensive line up front And so
19:29
Diane Dawkins probably a tackle 2
19:32
for a lot of a lot of guys if you have a
19:34
really strong room maybe a tackle 3 but
19:35
he's likely one your top two tackles and
19:38
I would just I would feel pretty
19:39
comfortable with him this week in this
19:42
matchup I think they get right. Yeah,
19:45
that's a good one, right? That that was
19:46
one of the hardest matchups we'll have
19:47
all year against that Jets defensive
19:49
front. So any anything
19:52
else is essentially a better situation
19:54
save the Cowboys. But yeah,
19:57
that's that's a great pick. I don't
19:59
necessarily have another one. There was a
20:00
couple guys I was thinking about and I
20:02
think I think one of them, you know, if I
20:04
had to choose. I think Derek Carr could
20:07
have a good game this week, right? Like,
20:08
I think his first game looked pretty
20:10
mediocre. He's not a guy that you're
20:12
probably starting at all 22 most weeks,
20:14
but if you needed to start him this week,
20:16
maybe you're like me and you had Aaron
20:17
Rodgers and he went down and now you have
20:20
4 backup quarterbacks that you're
20:22
choosing between. I think Derek Carr is
20:23
the one I would choose this week, right?
20:24
He had his first game, did OK, didn't
20:27
look great, didn't look terrible. But it
20:29
was his first game with a new group, his
20:31
first, you know, live performance against
20:33
a new defense, and it was a pretty tough
20:36
game. But this week he's going against
20:38
Carolina. Who's who's missing? JC Horn.
20:41
They're going to be kind of down
20:44
some players, but besides that, like. I
20:46
think everybody expected the Panthers
20:48
defense to look better this year, right?
20:50
New coaching system. Everybody said, you
20:52
know, this is an underperforming defense.
20:54
They have Brian Burns, JC Horn,
20:56
Derek Brown. Like they have a good group
20:58
of skill players, a couple good
21:00
linebackers and they didn't look better,
21:03
right? They looked if anything the same,
21:04
if not a little bit worse. I'm worried
21:06
about Carolina. I'm. I'm very worried
21:08
about Carolina. I wasn't high on Carolina
21:10
going into this year. I was, I was
21:12
feeling bad for Bryce Young for getting
21:13
sent there and they don't really have any
21:15
draft picks to kind of help. Out in the
21:17
next couple of years. So I think it's
21:19
kind of a rough situation, but getting
21:20
back to the point, I think there's ample
21:23
opportunity again as a get right gain for
21:26
the Saints to come through and have.
21:28
Like a performance where they break away
21:30
where they like Derek Carr won. Last week
21:32
it was a tough game, but they won it.
21:34
They stuck it out. This week they go
21:35
against the Panthers where I think that
21:37
they should show we're a lot better than
21:39
the worst teams in the league, right?
21:41
Maybe we're not a Super Bowl team, but
21:43
we're maybe a playoff caliber team. And I
21:45
think it's kind of like what we were just
21:47
talking about the Giants, right? Like
21:48
everybody's down on the Giants.
21:49
Everybody's talking smack. They played a
21:51
a team that I think is a top five team in
21:53
the league. When they go and play a
21:55
bottom five team in the league, they're
21:56
look like superstars. And I think the
21:57
same is true for a team like the Saints.
21:59
When they go and play one of these bottom
22:00
teams, I think they're gonna look much
22:01
better. That's what I expect to see.
22:04
So if you have Derek Carr, you're out in
22:06
Theron Rogers. Just, you know, give it a
22:09
go. Only listen to that, please. If
22:11
if you had Aaron Rodgers, don't do what I
22:14
do and try to play matchups with your
22:16
quarterbacks in week one and bench Trevor
22:19
Lawrence for Lamar Jackson. Just don't do
22:22
that. So only listen to that if you're
22:24
starting quarterback, got hurt and is
22:27
injured. Otherwise, please stick to
22:30
your guns at quarterback. Learn from my
22:32
mistake, I I let Chris get away with one.
22:36
And I mean I don't I I was feeling
22:37
charitable I guess. So that's a perfect
22:40
transition. So if you're owing one like
22:42
Ray and you're you're ready to call it
22:43
quits on the season, it's time to start
22:45
scouting right. It's never
22:48
too early never too early to talk draft.
22:50
So it's never too early to talk draft.
22:52
So if you haven't yet I'd I'd highly
22:55
suggest you throw on some game film this
22:57
weekend and watch some of the guys that
22:59
are going to go out and perform because
23:01
this is rumored to be one of the best
23:03
draft classes in recent history
23:05
and. I wanted just to talk about some of
23:07
the names first Guys that were, you
23:10
know, we're hearing are just blowing the
23:12
doors off of the competition. Guys. Like
23:14
at quarterback, right? We have Caleb
23:15
Williams, Drake May, J McCarthy,
23:18
Shadora Sanders, Michael Pennix Junior
23:20
and Quinn, yours all talked about as
23:23
being first round draft candidates for
23:25
this upcoming draft. And Ray, I'm not the
23:27
college guy. I've been watching, I've
23:28
been trying to watch and I'm enjoying it
23:30
more. So it might be like an IRL thing,
23:33
like these guys are getting paid, so
23:34
you're going, you're learning more about
23:35
them. They're in the spotlight more. But
23:37
but it is a little more exciting these
23:39
days to watch college football. And you
23:42
know, these 567 quarterbacks are the
23:44
reason why. But since you are the college
23:47
guy, I want to know like which of these
23:48
guys do you think are real kind of
23:51
first round candidates, guys that you
23:52
think actually have what it takes to be
23:54
superstars? Which guys do you think might
23:56
just be pretenders at this point?I I
23:59
think there's three of that of that list
24:01
that you named that are legit, and that's
24:04
one. The obvious one is Caleb Williams.
24:06
Two probably. The other obvious one is
24:07
Drake May. The third name to me
24:10
is Quinn Ewers, and I would have
24:13
said that before if we played this
24:14
episode last week before they beat
24:16
Alabama. I think those
24:18
three alone, just given their arm
24:21
talent and upside that separates them
24:24
from the rest of the draft class for 2024
24:27
at quarterback, I think McCarthy.
24:29
Is just taking him as an example, fine
24:32
NFL quarterback for sure. But I I think a
24:35
lot of his success and it's not
24:37
necessarily his fault but just the style
24:39
of football that they're playing at
24:41
e right now. He's not asked
24:43
to to do too much in the
24:46
sense of putting the team on his back or
24:48
making next level throws to carry an
24:51
offense. So I I think I think there's
24:53
still some room for growth there for
24:55
someone like McCarthy. But I think if I
24:56
had to sort of separate them right now, I
24:59
would say. Caleb Williams at 1, Drake Maye
25:02
at 2:00 and then you have Quinn Ewers at
25:03
three. I think those are your top guys
25:05
for the class right now and then the rest
25:08
kind of sort themselves thereafter. So I
25:11
think that a few people are high on
25:12
Sanders and Penix. So I'm I'm excited
25:14
to watch them throughout this college
25:15
football season and see where kind of the
25:18
consensus ends up. When I watch Sanders
25:20
so far, I saw a lot of inconsistencies
25:22
with his game. I saw some accuracy
25:24
issues. He he doesn't necessarily have
25:27
touch right now. He's more of just this
25:29
like great. Athlete with a booming arm
25:32
but but I want to see the touch on him. I
25:34
want to see him get that kind of under
25:35
control. But yeah. Caleb Williams. Drake
25:37
Maye, Quinn. Ewers. I'm excited about those
25:39
guys. Yours I think is is he's more
25:42
in that second tier to me. I don't I
25:45
don't think he's necessarily in that
25:46
guaranteed first round pick tier but yeah
25:49
we'll we'll keep an eye on it throughout
25:50
the season and I highly suggest everybody
25:52
else do the same. Let's talk about some
25:54
of these skill guys as well right so
25:55
Marvin Harrison Junior Brock Bowers Blake
25:58
Corum. Trey Benson Emeka Egbuka
26:01
Buku, Buka,
26:04
Buka, Buka. He's a he's
26:07
another name that looks good and I want
26:10
to hear what you have to say about these
26:11
guys. Yeah, Marvin Harrison Jr. is
26:14
by far the, in my opinion, the top of the
26:15
class. He's he moves like
26:18
all the other Ohio State receivers that
26:20
have come out recently, like a Garrett
26:21
Wilson, like a like a Chris Olave. He's
26:24
got that same just smoothness to his
26:27
game while still being explosive, except
26:29
he's like 6-4 so. He's just, he's just
26:32
different. He's a thoroughbred. He's top
26:34
of the line for sure. I think thereafter.
26:38
I'm not sure yet who's second, right. I
26:41
think Egbuka might be that second guy to
26:43
be honest. I know we have Wilson from
26:46
Florida State as well, a big body type
26:49
receiver possible like type end
26:52
type body that's
26:55
that's just kind of like that Big 6'5 type
26:57
mold of a player there on the
27:00
outside. But I think
27:02
really you have Marvin Harrison Jr
27:04
then you're kind of letting this season
27:06
sort itself out to see who kind of fills
27:08
in behind him. To round out the rest of
27:11
that receiver group, lots of guys who
27:13
choose from. At running back to I'm
27:15
actually higher and for some reason this
27:18
is a bit of a throwback take and I don't
27:20
know why, but I'm higher on Donovan
27:22
Edwards than I am Blake Corum. I think
27:25
that Edwards profiles better given his
27:27
size and frame and and his
27:30
ability to really stick his foot in the
27:31
ground and get up field and go better
27:34
than someone like Corum, who's got a bit
27:36
of an injury history now. Smaller frame,
27:38
older prospect as well. I
27:41
like Donovan Edwards a lot when you're
27:43
talking about the running backs. And then
27:45
I would have probably Benson behind him
27:47
early on and then maybe Corum somewhere
27:50
thereafter, you know, with the with the
27:52
group of the rest of the running backs.
27:54
So I know he's a popular name after last
27:56
year and everything and gets a lot of the
27:57
pub, but I would not have Corum above
28:00
his running mate, Donovan Edwards or at
28:02
the top of the class as I see it right
28:04
now. What about Brock Bowers, who I, you
28:07
know, I've heard a lot of people say that
28:08
he's a better complete tight end than
28:11
even though Kyle Pitts was right because
28:13
he's more complete. More kind of
28:15
traditional tight end size. Do you think
28:17
that he's, you know, that level of
28:18
athlete?Yeah, yeah, he's, he's
28:21
really good. He's. He's if he
28:24
was 6/6 with the long arms and everything
28:27
like, you know, power forward-looking
28:29
like I think he would get more respect
28:30
than he does. But he is everything you
28:32
want. You can line them up as as sort of
28:35
an HVAC and a flex tight end or you can
28:38
line them up in line. He'll get the job
28:39
done either way and he is just an
28:41
absolute menace after the catch.
28:43
He's strong, he's fast, he's
28:46
quick, he's explosive, He's the
28:49
entire package at tight end. He is.
28:52
He's by far the number one tight end in
28:54
this class. And I think is shouldering a
28:56
huge load for that Georgia offense this
28:59
season. He's going to mask a lot of other
29:01
deficiencies that they have at on that
29:04
side of the ball at Georgia this season
29:06
just because of how good he is. Wow.
29:09
OK. I'm excited to see some of his tape.
29:11
He's the one guy of this group. I really
29:13
haven't watched basically any of his film
29:15
yet. I mean, Marvin Harrison is probably
29:17
the best receiver prospect we've seen in
29:19
a long time. Like a long time. Like
29:21
better than Jamar Chase. I think he's
29:23
that level of good. Umm, going to the
29:26
offensive line. This is one of my
29:28
favorite tackle classes in probably
29:31
since like the Tristan Wharfs draft and
29:32
it might be better Olu Fashanu,
29:35
Joe Alt, Graham Barton, and J.C. Latham. Maybe
29:38
some kind of top that group.
29:41
Fasciano was projected to be the first
29:43
tackle off the board last year, Penn
29:45
State guy. He went back to school because
29:47
he's super young, which just tells me
29:49
that like the roof is, you know, so high
29:52
for him, what he can be. I I haven't
29:54
heard a lot this year about Joe Alt
29:55
compared to last year. People were really
29:57
high on him. I'm still very high on him.
29:59
I watched his tape last year to kind of
30:01
compare him to some of the draft
30:03
prospects from last draft. I will say I
30:05
have three of these tackles already.
30:08
Higher than what we had Paris Johnson at
30:10
this year. So we're talking about 3
30:12
tackles in my book that I think are
30:15
already better than the top tackle in
30:17
last year's draft class. Do you agree
30:19
with that who's who's sorry who's your
30:21
third from that list is it Latham Latham.
30:23
Yeah. Yeah. OK yeah that that's that same
30:25
here. I'm not quite sure yet if I would
30:28
have all three of them above Johnson. I
30:30
think for Shanu for sure and alt I'm
30:33
I'm I'm kind of still iffy on I think
30:36
I think alt Latham and if you were to
30:38
throw a pair of shots and. Into that mix.
30:40
I think they're all kind of still right
30:42
there kind of either where I want to see
30:44
a bit more from the guys in this class
30:46
before saying for sure, I think they're
30:48
trending that way over someone like
30:50
Johnson. But in that same
30:53
sense they get a little bit of the
30:54
benefit of the doubt because even coming
30:55
out after a full a full season of
30:58
tape to evaluate, Johnson was still raw
31:01
and just getting away with it because of
31:02
his tools. And so if I see those
31:05
guys develop and have a bit more of a of
31:07
a of a calming state to their play. And
31:10
a bit more sound technically down to
31:13
down than what we saw from Johnson last
31:15
year. Then they could definitely end up
31:18
above where I would have had Johnson
31:20
graded last year even though Johnson was
31:22
the OT one in the 2023 . classBut
31:25
it's it's for sure very good tackle class
31:28
after a couple years of some not so
31:30
great tackle classes. I think it comes
31:32
back strong this year with with those
31:34
three guys as the headliners. Yeah,
31:36
absolutely. And that was kind of it for
31:38
me with Paris Johnson is there was a lot
31:40
of the raw. Tools there. I didn't see it
31:42
playing and play out. I think Joe Alt and
31:44
Ficano absolutely show me that and it's
31:47
something that elevates them into that
31:48
tier of like what I thought of a Tristan
31:50
Wirfs and and Andrew Thomas a few years
31:52
ago. So again, special group of tackles,
31:55
really special group of quarterbacks and
31:57
skill players too. I don't think the
31:59
skill player group is as deep as like the
32:02
last few years are. It has higher
32:05
end level athletes, but I don't know if
32:07
it has the depth of some of the last few
32:09
years that we've seen which is OK. I you
32:11
know this is an all 22 draft man. This is
32:14
like give me the tackles give me the
32:15
quarterbacks like it's it's good stuff
32:17
and I figured maybe next week we'll go
32:19
into some of the defensive prospects to
32:22
to get into. So let's let's call it a day
32:24
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32:27
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