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The Kenny Report | 30 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The loss of jobs to AI begins with one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty jobs going in the high tech sector. Banning
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  Speaker 2: kids from YouTube, the government ropes the video streaming platform
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  Speaker 2: into its social media ban.
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  Speaker 1: Deception exposed.
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  Speaker 2: Finally, one major media player makes an admission over that
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  Speaker 2: photo I've shown you was used to create a false
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  Speaker 2: impression about Gaza. Also, the political debate about whether the
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  Speaker 2: coalition should scrap the net zero by twenty fifty target.
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  Speaker 2: And in the Wednesday wrangle with the Nika de Giorgio
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  Speaker 2: and Justin Smith will talk Trump, sharks and sexism. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: let me show you some live pictures from Japan.
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  Speaker 1: In the wake of that eight point eight earthquake on
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  Speaker 1: the Richter scale off Russia.
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  Speaker 2: Alerts of course for tsunamis across the Pacific. These pictures
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  Speaker 2: live from Japan. There are alerts still going in Hawaii
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  Speaker 2: as well. We will take you to live pictures if
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  Speaker 2: there is anything unfolding when it comes to that tsunami situation.
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  Speaker 1: Over the next hour.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get started with the rest of the program. Some
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  Speaker 2: grem news today that could well be a portent of
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  Speaker 2: more to come as one hundred and fifty jobs disappear
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  Speaker 2: in the tech industries, jobs to be replaced by artificial intelligence.
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  Speaker 2: The jobs are to be cut from Atlasian, the Sydney
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  Speaker 2: based global software success story that's made billionaires of its
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  Speaker 2: local founders. One of them, CEO, Mike cannon Brooks, broke
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  Speaker 2: the news to his staff today in a pre recorded
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  Speaker 2: video message. As The Australian reported, canon Brooks appeared in
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  Speaker 2: a hoodie from his home office, springing the news one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty staff that they would be laid off
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  Speaker 2: and replaced in large measure with artificial intelligence. Yet the
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  Speaker 2: AI related job losses are in customer services, with canon
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  Speaker 2: Brooks saying customer complaints in future would likely be handled
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  Speaker 2: largely through.
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  Speaker 1: AI the job cuts.
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  Speaker 2: The job cuts come at a troubled time for a Lassian,
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  Speaker 2: when its market capitalization has fallen by billions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: as its co founders have gone their separate ways and
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  Speaker 2: the company has suffered a series of embarrassing revelations. Yet
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  Speaker 2: the other co founder, Mike Farquhar, has been talking up
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  Speaker 2: the job and investment opportunities for Australia from AI and
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  Speaker 2: the related data centers. I think there's a great opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for us to go out to governments in the region
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  Speaker 2: and attract their investment to build data centers in Australia. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he reckons Australia could become a regional hub, although we'll
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  Speaker 2: need a lot more power, reliable power to do that.
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  Speaker 2: So with today's job loss is reportedly coming as a
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  Speaker 2: shock to Adlasian's staff, it's worth looking back at an
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  Speaker 2: earlier comment from Canon Brooks about his biggest mistake in
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  Speaker 2: his early days as a CEO.
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  Speaker 3: It's probably learning to fire people quickly enough. Actually, if
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  Speaker 3: I had to have one big mistake, the only times
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  Speaker 3: we've made huge egregious areas is where we've let someone
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  Speaker 3: who was a good person in the wrong job stay
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  Speaker 3: around for too long just because we're gutless.
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  Speaker 2: I guess he's not so gutless now. The AI revolution
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  Speaker 2: is bound to cost many jobs in coming years. The
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  Speaker 2: big question is how many others it might create. The
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  Speaker 2: alb and easy La Labor government is going to include
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  Speaker 2: YouTube now in the list of social media platforms that
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  Speaker 2: must ban access for kids under sixteen years of age, So,
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  Speaker 2: just like TikTok, snapchat, Reddit x or the former Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: Instagram and Facebook. YouTube will only be able to keep
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  Speaker 2: and open accounts for people aged sixteen years and older
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  Speaker 2: from December this year. No one seems to know how
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  Speaker 2: this is going to work, what identity checks or age
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  Speaker 2: verification might be required, and YouTube and others could take
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  Speaker 2: legal action to challenge the laws.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, there are sort of four reasonable steps that platforms
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  Speaker 4: have to take. They have to deactivate existing accounts that
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  Speaker 4: they know, They need to make sure that no new
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  Speaker 4: accounts activated. They need to take reasonable steps to make
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  Speaker 4: sure that any workarounds or mitigations because kids, god bless them,
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  Speaker 4: are going to find a way around this, and maybe
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  Speaker 4: they're all going to swarm on LinkedIn. We don't know
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  Speaker 4: like these are meant to be working rules, and they
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  Speaker 4: also need to sort of correct any errors as they
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  Speaker 4: arise because these are not set and forget rules is
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  Speaker 4: a set of support rules. They are world leading. But
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  Speaker 4: this is manifestly too important for us not to have
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  Speaker 4: a crap.
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  Speaker 2: And the Prime Minister doesn't have much sympathy for the
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  Speaker 2: tech giants and the difficulties they might face.
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  Speaker 5: I know where you go, how you talk to, what
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  Speaker 5: you're interested in, You know they do keep that information
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  Speaker 5: and during the election campaign, if they could identify for
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  Speaker 5: political parties in order to encourage us to invest on
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  Speaker 5: their platforms on an issue like childcare, identifying women between
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  Speaker 5: a particular age in a particular seat, in a particular
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  Speaker 5: demographic with particular postcodes, then they can help out here too.
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  Speaker 5: They can use the capacity which we know that they.
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  Speaker 2: Have a bit of an insight into targeted campaigning there
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  Speaker 2: as well. Well, we'll soon see how all this works out,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, but YouTube might be a step too far
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  Speaker 2: rather than a form of social media. It's a massive
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  Speaker 2: platform now for television viewing, and increasingly so kids use
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  Speaker 2: it for education and information, watching documentaries and interviews and lectures,
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  Speaker 2: as well as of course for entertainment and sport. They'll
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  Speaker 2: still be able to use YouTube, though not open accounts,
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  Speaker 2: and with so much exposure to pornography and violence and
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  Speaker 2: of course mental health harm exacerbated by social media, the
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  Speaker 2: government believes it's onto a winner.
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  Speaker 4: As parents, we are really trying our best when it
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  Speaker 4: comes to the Internet, but it is like trying to
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  Speaker 4: teach your kids to swim in the open ocean with
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  Speaker 4: the rips and the sharks. Compared to at the local
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  Speaker 4: council pool. We can't control the ocean, but we can
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  Speaker 4: police the sharks, and that's why I will not be
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  Speaker 4: intimidated by legal threats when this is a genuine fight
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  Speaker 4: for the well being of Australian kids.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have more on real sharks, you know, the ones
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  Speaker 2: in the ocean later in the program, and I also
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  Speaker 2: have more on this social media band with tech expert
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  Speaker 2: Trevor Long. Farmers in Melbourne took to Parliament House today
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  Speaker 2: for a protest demanding the right to keep renewable energy
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  Speaker 2: projects like in farms and associated transmission lines off their properties.
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  Speaker 2: But some Palestinian or pro Palestinian protesters, the more regular
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  Speaker 2: protesters seen at Spring Street, well, they didn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: appreciate the competition.
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  Speaker 3: You do not have.
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  Speaker 1: Base. Why was he so bloke?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: The pro Palestinian and anti Israel protesters, as we've seen
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  Speaker 2: again and again, are pretty aggressive and when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the plan to shut down the world famous Sydney
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  Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge for their next protest.
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  Speaker 1: They seem unable to take no for an answer.
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  Speaker 6: I'm asking the organizers to work with New South Wales
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  Speaker 6: police on an alternative route.
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  Speaker 7: But for the organizers it was the Harbor Bridge or nothing.
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  Speaker 6: We are protesting an unprecedented event that requires unprecedented action,
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  Speaker 6: which means marching on the Harbor Bridge.
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  Speaker 7: And they're thinking big, kicking off at one pm Sunday,
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  Speaker 7: crossing from south to north, ending at the US Consulate
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  Speaker 7: in North Sydney.
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  Speaker 8: There's going to be massive numbers out and that is
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  Speaker 8: a reality that Chris Mens needs to come to grips with.
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  Speaker 8: All the evidence is that when the police or the
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  Speaker 8: premier tried to ban our protests, they multiply in size
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  Speaker 8: by about tans because people are outraged.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: As one wag suggested, maybe they should apply to hold
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  Speaker 2: their march through the Harbor Tunnel instead. It caused much
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  Speaker 2: less trouble and it would be much more in keeping
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  Speaker 2: with the tactics we've seen in Gaza. Now, the protest
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  Speaker 2: spokesman you just saw, Josh Lees, is a committed socialist revolutionary,
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  Speaker 2: as I reminded you last night, and it was good
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  Speaker 2: to see the Sydney Morning Herald picking up on this
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  Speaker 2: today as well. This bloke is a professional protester and
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  Speaker 2: while he wears a Palacenian scarf over his ginger hair.
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  Speaker 2: He has no clear association with the cause or the community.
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  Speaker 2: He is a hard left activist who's been part of
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  Speaker 2: radical protests about border protection, the Iraq War, occupy Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter, even protested for harder COVID lockdowns can
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  Speaker 2: you believe? And he's railed against capitalism the works. This
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  Speaker 2: bloke has the rampaging mind of a teenage renegade who
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  Speaker 2: never grew up, but it's trapped in the body of
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  Speaker 2: a forty three year old professional protester. Some like minded
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  Speaker 2: types tried to cause a stir in Federal Parliament today the.
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  Speaker 5: Member floor question, we're strengthy medicare. We are submanding quality,
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  Speaker 5: bulk built healthcare.
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  Speaker 1: At its heart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the anti Israel activism continues, even though the propaganda
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  Speaker 2: and deceptions used against Israel are exposed.
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  Speaker 1: One leading media organization has.
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  Speaker 2: At least attempted to correct the record over that image
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  Speaker 2: that I've highlighted here on Monday night and again last night,
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  Speaker 2: The harrowing image that has been used around the world
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  Speaker 2: by newspapers, television stations and online organizations to try to
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  Speaker 2: prove a starvation crisis in Gaza that Israel denies. The
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  Speaker 2: picture was run by nine Media newspapers here in Australia
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  Speaker 2: and prominently also by the ABC.
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  Speaker 9: A lot of people will have seen it. This young boy,
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  Speaker 9: there are various images of him. It has been very powerful.
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  Speaker 9: It clearly has stirred a lot of global reaction. I
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  Speaker 9: mean how these sort of images made you feel personally.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's not just that image, but many of them
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  Speaker 5: just break your heart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it all fed into the political debates cited
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  Speaker 2: by our own PM as you just saw and others,
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  Speaker 2: no doubt fueling some of the public diplomacy directed at Israel.
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  Speaker 2: But The New York Times, which had run the picture prominently,
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  Speaker 2: has now issued a clarification, not quite an apology, and
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  Speaker 2: it's added an editor's note to its coverage saying this
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  Speaker 2: article has been updated to include information about Muhammad Zakari
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  Speaker 2: al Matuk, a child in Gaza suffering from severe malnutrition.
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  Speaker 2: After publication of the article, the Times learned from his
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  Speaker 2: doctor that Muhammad also had pre existing health problems.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's something I guess.
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  Speaker 2: But as I've shown you previously, wider shots show that
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  Speaker 2: this poor young boy suffering cerebral palsy and other conditions,
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  Speaker 2: is accompanied by his mother and older brother who are
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  Speaker 2: obviously not suffering from starvation. Yet the facts don't seem
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  Speaker 2: to matter much as the international pylon against Israel continues,
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  Speaker 2: even though.
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  Speaker 1: It's clear that mountains of AID.
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  Speaker 2: Have been moved into Gaza and that Hamas has commandeered
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  Speaker 2: much of it, profited from it, and deliberately shot at
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  Speaker 2: Palestinians and tact AID workers to try to shut down
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  Speaker 2: AID centers it doesn't control. All this was laid out
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  Speaker 2: in plane terms last night by former federal labor minister,
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  Speaker 2: former Army colonel, and former military lawyer based in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East, Mike Kelly.
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  Speaker 10: The bottom line is that the Hamas organization, because it
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  Speaker 10: had its line of revenue choked off from Iran and
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  Speaker 10: from Qatar, adopted its approach of its new business model
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  Speaker 10: of looting and stealing food supplies to glean revenue from
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  Speaker 10: the black market to reward its terrorist operators with the
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  Speaker 10: food and money from that operation. Israel was desperately trying
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  Speaker 10: to choke off that business model by establishing a new
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  Speaker 10: humanitarian relief distribution cysts them, and of course Hamas responded
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  Speaker 10: by terrorizing anybody who tried to take advantage of that.
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  Speaker 10: There's plenty of footage around that will demonstrate that they're
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  Speaker 10: the ones who have been shooting their own people, stripping
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  Speaker 10: them naked, stealing their food whenever they attempt to use
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  Speaker 10: these distribution points.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kelly is an expert, but so many on the
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  Speaker 2: political left think they know better. And incredibly, the UK
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Kir Starmer is holding out the promise of
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  Speaker 2: a sovereign state.
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  Speaker 1: There's some kind of reward for.
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  Speaker 2: Hamas's terrorist atrocities and deliberate triggering of war.
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  Speaker 11: So today, as part of this process towards peace, I
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  Speaker 11: can confirm the UK will recognize the State of Palestine
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  Speaker 11: by the United Nations General Assembly in September unless the
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  Speaker 11: Israeli government takes substantive steps to end the appalling situation
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  Speaker 11: in Gaza, agree to cease fire and commit to a
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  Speaker 11: long term sustainable peace, reviving the prospect of a two
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  Speaker 11: state solution, and this includes allowing the UN to restart
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  Speaker 11: the supply of aid and making clear that there'll be
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  Speaker 11: no annexations in the West Bank. Meanwhile, our message to
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  Speaker 11: the terrace of Hamas is unchanged and unequivocal. They must
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  Speaker 11: immediately release all of the hostages, sign up to a ceasefire,
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  Speaker 11: disarm and accept that they will play no part in
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  Speaker 11: the government of Gaza. And we'll make an assessment in
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  Speaker 11: September on how f other parties have met these steps.
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  Speaker 2: But there's already a cease fire on the table agreed
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  Speaker 2: by Israel.
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  Speaker 1: It's Hamas that refuses to accept it.
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  Speaker 2: Hamas still holds fifty hostages, nineteen or twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Of them still alive, held for twenty.
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  Speaker 2: One months now. The others are dead, held as bargaining chips.
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  Speaker 2: This is what you're dealing with, not only a terrorist
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  Speaker 2: group that will slaughter babies, women and children, torture and
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  Speaker 2: rape women, and take hostages, all war crimes, but they
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  Speaker 2: also hold the dead bodies of their hostages so they
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  Speaker 2: can trade them too. And Starmer and others suggest a
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian state will assuage the Islamists extremist intent of groups
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  Speaker 2: like Hummas, who openly state their aim is to wipe
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  Speaker 2: Israel off the face of the earth.
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  Speaker 1: What delusion.
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  Speaker 2: And Anthony Albanezi buys into this same nonsense.
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  Speaker 5: In immediate sense, we continue to call for a ceasefire,
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  Speaker 5: we continue to call for hostages to be released. We
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  Speaker 5: continue to say that Hamas can have no role in
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  Speaker 5: a future Palestinian state, and we continue to call for
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  Speaker 5: aid to be allowed to the people of Gas.
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  Speaker 2: And how does he suggest the world ensures Humas has
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  Speaker 2: no role in a Palestinian state unless Israel defeats Humas.
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  Speaker 2: If the war stops now Hummas remains in control of Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: This is Albanezi's plan, along with Starma and Macron and others,
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  Speaker 2: leave Humas in control of Gaza, but demand that Humas
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  Speaker 2: has no role.
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  Speaker 1: How does that work?
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  Speaker 2: This stuff is as intellectually challenged as it is morally repugnant,
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  Speaker 2: Yet one labor MP wants his own government to go
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  Speaker 2: even further quicker.
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  Speaker 12: With a good standing that we have, joining with friends
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  Speaker 12: like the French and the United Kingdom, we can build
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  Speaker 12: critical momentum that importantly can be put to bear on
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  Speaker 12: net and Yahoo government to stop a manufactured humanitarian crisis
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  Speaker 12: by them the starvation of innocent civilians, to bring that
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  Speaker 12: about an end to that, but also to be able
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  Speaker 12: to establish two states in that part of the world
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  Speaker 12: that will be the key to long term stability there
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  Speaker 12: and will also be important to protect future life.
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  Speaker 2: Why doesn't ed Husick focus on Hummas? Why does he
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  Speaker 2: blame Israel for what's happened in Gaza. When it's Hummus
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  Speaker 2: who triggered the war and continues to prolong it. How
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  Speaker 2: can he possibly suggest Hummas is rewarded while it still
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  Speaker 2: holds hostages. Why doesn't he call out Hummus as Mike
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  Speaker 2: Kelly does, for terrorizing its own people and disrupting aid deliveries.
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  Speaker 2: We've asked ed Husick for an interview without success. But
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  Speaker 2: this talk of a Palestinian state is not only silly,
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  Speaker 2: it is sickening when Hummas still holds twenty living hostages
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  Speaker 2: and thirty dead hostages, and it continues this war deliberately
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  Speaker 2: sabotaging its own people in order to turn global heat
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  Speaker 2: on Israel. A Palestinian state is not a pathway to
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  Speaker 2: peace and security. Peace and security must be the pathway
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  Speaker 2: to establishing a state.
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  Speaker 1: That is obvious.
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  Speaker 2: The Palestinians were given Gaza twenty years ago and look
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  Speaker 2: what they did with it. Hummas needs to be defeated, dismantled, destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: It needs to surrender and disappear. It's unrealistic for anyone
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  Speaker 2: to suggest there can be any other way to end
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  Speaker 2: this war, and whenever other options are proffered, they only
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  Speaker 2: encourage hamas and extend the conflict. Let's go to Pauline Hanson,
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  Speaker 2: the leader of One Nation. She joins us live as
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  Speaker 2: ever from Canbra good to talk to you again, Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: What do you make of this with Anthony Albernezi effectively
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  Speaker 2: supporting a Palestinian state. It's just that timing is the
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  Speaker 2: issue for him and ed Husick go faster to join
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  Speaker 2: the problems now.
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  Speaker 6: I think ed Husick is going back to is Muslim leanings.
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  Speaker 6: And the whole fact is, once you've worn a Muslim,
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  Speaker 6: you are a Muslim. You cannot turn your back on it.
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  Speaker 6: And they were always put Muslims. Chris, everything that you've said,
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  Speaker 6: I've totally agreed, and I heard your whole intro into it,
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  Speaker 6: and I totally agree with everything that you say. Although
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  Speaker 6: it's a very complex issue and I'm only a senator
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  Speaker 6: in the Queensland Parliament for Queensland Senate for Australia. My
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  Speaker 6: view on this, I do not believe in giving Palestine
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  Speaker 6: the state solution, single state solution or the two state solution.
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  Speaker 6: Israel was aggrieved here and we knew that what happened
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  Speaker 6: on October the seventh, nearly two years ago people will murder.
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  Speaker 6: Twelve hundred people murdered and the way they wanted to
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  Speaker 6: destroy Israel. Since then, they've come out and said in
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  Speaker 6: their own mounts, we will keep going until we destroy them.
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  Speaker 6: You don't give this recognition to the people a United
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  Speaker 6: Nations General Assembly to give them this credit. They are
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  Speaker 6: not good global citizens and for these country leader for
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  Speaker 6: the country leaders around the world is wrong to do that.
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  Speaker 6: They have shown that they even murder their own kids,
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  Speaker 6: their own people. They are actually taking food out of
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  Speaker 6: their mouths. Israel has delivered sixty six thousand truckloads of food.
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  Speaker 6: They've actually put one point three million tons of food
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  Speaker 6: across This is the people that have been aggrieved with
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  Speaker 6: what they've done to them, and yet they're sending food
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  Speaker 6: across their borders because that is the airspace to land it.
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  Speaker 6: And it's taken time because they have to make sure
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  Speaker 6: that no munitions or ammunition or you know anything guns
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  Speaker 6: are not going across the borders to them to take
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  Speaker 6: up the fight against Israel again, So how can you
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  Speaker 6: keep having to go with Israel? What they're trying to do.
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  Speaker 6: Her mask has never done to me. This is something
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  Speaker 6: like Afghanistan I went over to Afghanistan during the that
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  Speaker 6: was over there, and the whole fact is I saw
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  Speaker 6: where the country was then women were getting into the military,
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  Speaker 6: into teaching, and into the police. Once we pulled out
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: of it, the Taliban came back, the country went back
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: to the way it was. Her must needs to be destroyed.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: You cannot any alternative. They must hand back the hostages,
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: whether they're dead or alive. Her must must be gone.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: There must be a democratic election by the people. They
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: must follow those rules before I'd believe in a tuestate solution.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: It is the only way forward, and the rest is pretense.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. I want to bring it
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: back to domestic politics and you'll push to scrap the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: net zero by twenty fifty target. You put that motion
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to Parliament, but the youngest senator, a new labor senator
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: from South Australia, took issue with you.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Hesue is Charlotte Walker.
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: Are you kidding?
• 21:53
  Speaker 14: The motion put forward by Senator Hands into scrap net
• 21:56
  Speaker 14: zero indicates a severe lack of knowledge and a complete
• 22:00
  Speaker 14: regard for the future of our generation, the future of
• 22:03
  Speaker 14: our country. Without a net zero target, there will be
• 22:08
  Speaker 14: no Australian farmers, businesses or industries to support us.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Have you got a chance to meet to Charlotte and
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: perhaps a chat to her about how on earth Australia's
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and the zero target has got to change the climate?
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: No, I haven't there close. You know this is a
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: closed book. I mean, so this young person that comes
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: from Floria Parliament, after my thirty years experience on the
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: Flora Parliament that I've spoken to actually, you know scientists
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: and Ian plymen, different ones and read books on this
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: that I actually have a broad knowledge about climate change.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: I'm not denying climate change, but to tell me that's
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: coming from the three percent of human missions is absolutely ridiculous.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: These kids have been brainwashed in the educational system and
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: the universities end up in the Flora Parliament. Don't know
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: what the hell they're talking about. No, sooner out of
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: this brainwashing system, out of the nappiest what the hell
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: would she know about it? You know, I could be wrong,
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: and I'm not going to put down a lot of
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: the young ones. A lot of the young ones believe
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: in what I'm saying, but they've been brainwashed. There's no
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: critical thinking in our educational system. And maybe in a
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: further down twenty fifty, when the world hasn't come to
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: an end, when the oceans aren't rising and they're not
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: flooding the sea lines here, or these these islands are
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: still surviving. It's just been a scam, Chris, and I'll
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: stand my ground of that until we get rid of
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: this net zero that's been pushed on people. The cost
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: of living is destroying them more so than what the
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: climate change. With three percent emissions or around one percent
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: emission out of one hundred percent global emissions. And when
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: they start pulling in China and India and the United States,
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: who have fifty percent of emissions, then you know, I
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: might start listening to what they have to say. I'm
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: not interested in what she has to say.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Twenty one year olds in the Senate, Hey, there we go,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: and we're going to just very quickly. Is it right
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: to include YouTube on the social media band?
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: No, definitely not. It's overreached by the government telling parents
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: what their kids can watch. Get rid of pornagor feet
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: first off the offit and they're doing more damage in
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: the educational system, teaching them that they can be a
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: boy or whatever they choose they want to be. You
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: can have a penis or a vagina, But if the
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: boys can have a vagina, then please tell them how
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: they intend to have babies.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Here's a bit to fix there. Yeah, thanks, sir, Pauline appreciates.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen there live from Canberra. Now, I talked about
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: this social media van at the top of the program
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: in the federal government, including YouTube in those laws that's
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: come into effect in December. So let me bring in
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: tech expert Trevor Long. He's the editor of e FtM.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: He joined us live from Sydney. Good to talk to
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: you again, Trevor. Bottom line here is I'll come to
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: YouTube in a moment. The first up in general, with
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: these social media platforms, do we have any clarity on
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: how these organizations are going.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: To keep kids off their systems?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Because the government's laws just put all the owners on them,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: don't they.
• 25:02
  Speaker 13: That's right, Chris could be with you. The government has
• 25:04
  Speaker 13: just said you have to do it. They're assuming that
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: tech companies are so good and so smart that they
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: can make it happen.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
• 25:11
  Speaker 13: They're relying on age assurance trials, which is essentially using
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: face identification and things like that to determine someone's age,
• 25:18
  Speaker 13: and the companies behind those trials say it works, it's great,
• 25:21
  Speaker 13: but actually their margin of error is up to eighteen months,
• 25:24
  Speaker 13: which means that a sixteen and a half year old
• 25:26
  Speaker 13: could be detected as a fifteen year old and a
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: fourteen year old could be detected as a sixteen year old.
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: So how on earth they are going to determine who's
• 25:33
  Speaker 13: sixteen and who's fifteen. I don't know how a sixteen
• 25:36
  Speaker 13: year old on their birthday is going to get social media,
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: because that's what they're going to want. I don't know,
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: and essentially what I think will happen. I think they'll
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: just open the floodgates. I think TikTok and Meta will
• 25:47
  Speaker 13: probably just allow anyone to watch their content without an account,
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: because these rules don't stop anyone from watching YouTube or
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: watching TikTok. They simply stop those platforms from allowing under
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: sixteens to hold an account. So we don't know, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 13: it's four months away and I just don't see how
• 26:05
  Speaker 13: it happens.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: By December tenth.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's going to be chaos and there'll
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: be eyes on it from around the world to see
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: how that chaos unfolds, and because there'll be older kids
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: or even parents who might use their face identification to
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: help kids open up accounts and all the rest of it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And that's why I want to get your thoughts on
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: YouTube as well, because YouTube is not a social media platform.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: YouTube is like a television viewing platform, increasingly so. There's
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: some stats today they're showing about something close to thirteen
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: percent of all television viewing in the United States at
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the moment is on YouTube. And of course kids use
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: YouTube to watch documentaries and to find interviews or clips
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: for school projects, and they surely can't keep kids off
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the problem.
• 26:51
  Speaker 13: We're not asking kids to be off it, we're just
• 26:53
  Speaker 13: saying you can't have an account. Chris, it's a very
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: strange policy when you think that. Look, I admit I
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: don't think we shoul have this legislation at all. I
• 27:01
  Speaker 13: don't think it's going to achieve the things that are
• 27:04
  Speaker 13: set out to be achieved. But I think that if
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: you're going to ban TikTok and Instagram, you do have
• 27:09
  Speaker 13: to ban YouTube, because Chris, you and I watch a
• 27:13
  Speaker 13: very different YouTube to what twelve and thirteen year olds watch.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: They watch a version of YouTube called YouTube.
• 27:18
  Speaker 13: Shorts, and I challenge anyone of my age or older
• 27:22
  Speaker 13: to open up the YouTube app and have a look
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: at YouTube shorts and just flick through it. It's just
• 27:26
  Speaker 13: like flicking through TikTok. It's inane content. It's of no
• 27:30
  Speaker 13: educational value, and that's what we if we're going to
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: stop kids, that's what we've got to stop kids watching.
• 27:35
  Speaker 13: But parents, teachers, and kids are like can watch anything
• 27:40
  Speaker 13: on YouTube and share links to it, they just can't
• 27:42
  Speaker 13: have an account, Chris after this legislation comes in. So
• 27:46
  Speaker 13: I actually think the government's done the right thing by
• 27:49
  Speaker 13: including YouTube. I just don't think it's going to achieve
• 27:52
  Speaker 13: any of the goals set out.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating analysis. Trevor, thanks so much for joining us.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Trevor long there from the FtM.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: He's the editor of him. I think he's right, but
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: we will see.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I think everybody agrees with the aim we want to
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: protect kids from the worst aspects of social media. But
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of responsibility on kids and parents in
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: particular and teachers and the like, and we can't outsource
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: this to the government and it may not work anyway.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: We shall see. Now we've got to go to a break.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're talking again about these protesters
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: vowing to go ahead with their march across the Harbor Bridge,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian anti Israel activists.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So I'll catch up with Alex Rivkin after this break.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: In Victoria police have arrested a second man in connection
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: with the ars and attack against Melbourne's Adas Israel Synagogue
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: back in December. Joint counter terror Police arrested the twenty
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: one year old this morning. Police believe he is one
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: of the three people who broke into the synagogue and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: set it alight. Here's the Federal Police speaking earlier.
• 28:58
  Speaker 15: The gravity of this crime has not been lessened by time,
• 29:01
  Speaker 15: and I can confirm the Joint Caniterrism team continues to
• 29:05
  Speaker 15: investigate the arson attack as a politically motivated attack.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in Alex Rivchin from the Executive Council of
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Australian Jury.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Alex. This is welcome
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: news that there's been another arrest.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: All those concerning revelations about overseas connections and the like.
• 29:23
  Speaker 16: Look, of course, it's a positive development and we thank
• 29:25
  Speaker 16: the police for their titlest work and bring this individual
• 29:29
  Speaker 16: hopefully to justice. This is obviously a step on the
• 29:31
  Speaker 16: path towards that, but you know, it's a deeply concerning story,
• 29:35
  Speaker 16: the fact that you've had a series of five bombings,
• 29:38
  Speaker 16: layer upon layer of criminal enterprise involved. There's talk about
• 29:42
  Speaker 16: foreign coordination. We don't quite know exactly what that means,
• 29:44
  Speaker 16: whether it's criminals abroad or foreign power coordinating these attacks
• 29:48
  Speaker 16: to a current Austraine soil. So really, you know, we
• 29:51
  Speaker 16: repeat our calls we've said from the beginning, we need
• 29:54
  Speaker 16: to bring as many people to justice as quickly as possible.
• 29:57
  Speaker 16: We need to unravel the entirely of this enterprise, particularly
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: get to those at the very top of this chain
• 30:02
  Speaker 16: who are ordering lower downs foot soldiers to carry out
• 30:05
  Speaker 16: these horrific crimes.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Now, tell me what your thoughts are about these plans
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: for a pro Palestinian anti Israel protest across the Harbor Bridge.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: The government has rejected the cause, of course, but these
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: protests say they're going ahead with it this Sunday, regardless
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: in scenes that could create chaos.
• 30:26
  Speaker 16: The premiere has been strong on this and the police
• 30:29
  Speaker 16: also in saying that this categorically won't happen. But we
• 30:33
  Speaker 16: know the sort of element we're dealing with here, and
• 30:35
  Speaker 16: they're trying to pass this off about you know, being
• 30:37
  Speaker 16: about humanity, being about peace. But I think the austrain
• 30:40
  Speaker 16: public will see right through that the organizer of this
• 30:43
  Speaker 16: rally are the same people who organized the rally as
• 30:46
  Speaker 16: October seven will still unfolding effectively to celebrate those atrocities.
• 30:50
  Speaker 16: These are people who for twenty two months have not
• 30:53
  Speaker 16: once chanted about peace and humanity and a two state solution.
• 30:56
  Speaker 16: Their version of peace and justice means the destruction of
• 30:59
  Speaker 16: Israel holds. So of course they have a right to protest,
• 31:03
  Speaker 16: as obnoxious and noxious as these people are, but there's
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: no riot inherently to shut down the Harbor Bridge on
• 31:09
  Speaker 16: a weekend and to stop tens of thousands of decent
• 31:12
  Speaker 16: Australians from getting to their weekend sports, visiting friends and family,
• 31:16
  Speaker 16: and enjoying our city. So we hope that the law's enforced.
• 31:19
  Speaker 16: We hope there's no classes of confrontations. But ultimately we're
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: a nation of laws and they need to be enforced
• 31:24
  Speaker 16: in this case.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: As I said at the top of the program, perhaps
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the protests should go through the Sydney Harbor Tunnel instead.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: They might just guess some sense of what it's like
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: for hostages kept in the tunnels underneath Gaza. I want
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: to show you these pictures that have the key picture
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: really that's been shown right around the world, as including
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: on the front page of the New York Times, who
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: has now issued a clarification.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: We've been on about this for days.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: It's been clear people have exposed that the boy, young
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Muhammad in this picture was suffering cerebral palsy and all
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: sorts of other conditions, while obviously his mother and his
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: older brother are not starving. For this to be used
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: as proof of starvation in Gaza was deceptive. There's been
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: some concession to that today from the New York Times,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: but surely the ABC, the Sydney Morning Herald and media
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: around the world need to make that same correction because
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: this has created a completely false narrative that's gone on
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: for days.
• 32:19
  Speaker 16: Look, they should correct it, but as we've seen throughout
• 32:22
  Speaker 16: this war, news outlets often so quick to report something
• 32:26
  Speaker 16: and rather sluggish in actually clarifying or apologizing or attracting,
• 32:30
  Speaker 16: and when they do, it's inevitably tucked away and buried somewhere.
• 32:33
  Speaker 16: We saw that with the attack. By as long as
• 32:35
  Speaker 16: she had in the early months of the war, which
• 32:37
  Speaker 16: hit a Palestine in the hospital, which was particulably blamed
• 32:40
  Speaker 16: on Israel. We saw recently a un official saying that
• 32:44
  Speaker 16: within forty eight hours some fourteen thousand babies are going
• 32:47
  Speaker 16: to die, which turned out to be nonsense as well.
• 32:49
  Speaker 16: But they report this quickly because it's sensation when it
• 32:51
  Speaker 16: feeds into a particular narrative, and we've seen people like
• 32:55
  Speaker 16: Bob Carr pick up this propaganda and this disinformation essentially
• 33:00
  Speaker 16: and press home the point with even more outrageous claims
• 33:03
  Speaker 16: about comparisons to the Warsaw ghetto and comparisons to the
• 33:06
  Speaker 16: starvation of Ukrainian peasants by Stalin in the nineteen thirties.
• 33:10
  Speaker 16: So this has enormous legs and it's part of a
• 33:12
  Speaker 16: border disinformation campaign. But at the same time we should
• 33:16
  Speaker 16: detracting the actual suffering that is happening in Gaza. It's
• 33:18
  Speaker 16: without question. But once we have these sorts of hyperbolic
• 33:22
  Speaker 16: claims and disinformation, it makes it harder to actually deal
• 33:25
  Speaker 16: with a problem in a rational, coherent sense. It needs
• 33:28
  Speaker 16: a solution, but sensationalism and false reporting like that gets
• 33:31
  Speaker 16: us further away from finding that solution.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we all said, Alex, thanks for joining us again.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Alex Ridgen there with the Executive Council of Australian Jury,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: were gore to get to a break. On the other side,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: we're going to get back to this political debate about
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: net zero and whether the Coalition could actually do itself
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: harm by scrapping that target.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Tom Switzer joins me.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Next esteemed political commentator, historian and editor at Large of
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the Australian, Paul Kelly, has issued a warning about net zero.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Writing in Today's Australian, Kelly says rejecting net zero would
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: condemn the Liberals to electoral oblivion, claiming the response to
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five defeat is to run harder against
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: climate action is unforgivable, folly and tactical madness. Kelly rights
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Labour would add climate denial to medicare as its failsafe
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: mechanisms to ensure the Coalition stayed in opposition in perpetuity,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: and Kelly points out Labour would get plenty of support
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: from the full progressive orchestra, with Teals, Greens, the.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Women's vote, the youth vote, the unions.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: The corporates, the finance sector, the NGOs, the education lobby,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: and the full progressive media all slipping into their moralistic
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: outrage mode. This is a tough political issue for the coalition,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: all right, and for the country. But is Kelly right?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Let me bring in Tom Switzer from the Center for
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Independent Studies. Good to talk to you, Tom. What's your
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: view this morning?
• 35:04
  Speaker 17: Well, Paul Kelly is undoubtedly our nation's most experienced and
• 35:09
  Speaker 17: distinguished commentator, and he has been for the past half century,
• 35:13
  Speaker 17: going back to the Whitler Mirror. But even Paul sometimes
• 35:17
  Speaker 17: makes imperfect calls. I mean, this net zero fracas Chris
• 35:21
  Speaker 17: reminds me a lot of the debate over the ETS
• 35:25
  Speaker 17: in two thousand and nine and the media mantra back then,
• 35:30
  Speaker 17: Laurie Oaks, Michelle Garrattin, Lenora Taylor, Laura Tingle, and yes,
• 35:34
  Speaker 17: Paul Kelly. Their argument was that liberal opposition to the ETS,
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: Ken Rudd's ETS would lead to electoral annihilation Paul's words,
• 35:45
  Speaker 17: and that's what he said in two thousand and nine.
• 35:48
  Speaker 17: And then by December two thousand and nine, Tony Abbott
• 35:53
  Speaker 17: knocked off your old boss, Chris malcol Right and Tony
• 35:59
  Speaker 17: Abbott became the le and he subjected the government to
• 36:02
  Speaker 17: a lot of scrutiny, right imploded, and he ultimately ended
• 36:06
  Speaker 17: the signature legislation of the emissions trading scheme. So the
• 36:09
  Speaker 17: lesson here is that if you subject government policy to
• 36:12
  Speaker 17: real scrutiny and raise the issue of the costs, and remember,
• 36:17
  Speaker 17: decarbonizing the economy is not a cost free exercise, then
• 36:20
  Speaker 17: I think there is political evidence to be paid. Now,
• 36:22
  Speaker 17: it is true in those metropolitan electroans electorates, it is difficult.
• 36:27
  Speaker 17: I don't think the Coalition wants to reject renewables completely,
• 36:32
  Speaker 17: but at the same time it's all about the pace
• 36:34
  Speaker 17: of change, not to its importance of reducing our carbon footprint.
• 36:39
  Speaker 17: So I think ultimately it makes sense to question the
• 36:42
  Speaker 17: conventional wisdom in Canberra.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Look, you're absolutely right.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: And of course, as you say, yeah, Chief of Staff
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: to Malcolm Turnbull in that year of Living Dangerously of
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine to a had inside running on
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: all of this. I know those arguments. I wear the
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: battle scars. But there was very much of view that
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: if you oppose the harb and pollution reduction scheme that
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Rudd called it, that you would consign yourself to opposition,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: but instead Rud back down.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: The Rudd and Wong.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Pulled their ets and Tony Abbott went on to really
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: win the twenty ten election but claim it properly in
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. So the point here is it's not an
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: either or, is it. You can't just say scrap net
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: zero twenty fifty and do nothing. The coalition would need
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: to say, are they going to do something to give
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: us affordable, reliable electricity and have a longer term a
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: more viable plan to look after the environment and reduce emissions?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Surely?
• 37:37
  Speaker 17: Well, I mean, meanwhile, what's happened here is that the
• 37:40
  Speaker 17: government will significantly miss its eighty two percent renewables target
• 37:45
  Speaker 17: by twenty thirty. And that's from Ross Garanno, who is
• 37:49
  Speaker 17: the godfather of climate change and an enthusiast for renewable energy.
• 37:55
  Speaker 17: And we shouldn't be surprised. Again, as I said to
• 37:58
  Speaker 17: you last week, look around the world. Latest Statistical review
• 38:02
  Speaker 17: of World energy records that last year, at twenty twenty
• 38:06
  Speaker 17: twenty four, the world burned more coal, coal, gas and
• 38:11
  Speaker 17: oil the fossil fuels than in any previous year and
• 38:15
  Speaker 17: more than eighty percent more than eighty percent of the
• 38:18
  Speaker 17: world's energy demand is still met by fossil fuels. You know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 17: wind and solar account for five to ten percent. If
• 38:26
  Speaker 17: that so, put the Australian debate in a global context
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  Speaker 17: and you'll realize that scrutiny of the government's net zero
• 38:34
  Speaker 17: policy is bound to pay pal and economic policy givedens.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's right.
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  Speaker 2: If you put the right policy out there, then the
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: events and the facts are going to bolster your argument
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: over time.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: You've got to make it well.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I do think the Coalition of run any arguments well
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: over the past few years, except perhaps their opposition to
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: the Voice as the exception that.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Proves the rule.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: But my argument is I would say that the coal
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the right of center should really be all about what works,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: what's pragmatic and what works, rather than getting bogged down
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: in any ideology, whereas the left are on this ideological
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: crusade save the planet.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: So the point here.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Is that current technology cannot deliver net zero and is
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: bound to create a lot of energy cost and upheaval
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: in the process. So what the Coalition needs to do
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: is outline that fact, the fact that we're running into trouble,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: and put up a practical measure that is an alternative.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Now nuclear is part of that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: And as you say, renewables are here, they're not going
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: to go away, but you need to keep them as
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: a reasonable share of the energy grid and then use
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: other technologies like gas and nuclear.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: To make sure we've got sufficient and reliable supplies.
• 39:49
  Speaker 17: But also hold the advocates of net zero energy to
• 39:52
  Speaker 17: account and their load star here is Germany and the
• 39:55
  Speaker 17: European Union. Germany has invested so many hundreds of billions
• 39:59
  Speaker 17: of Europe in its green energy transition over many years,
• 40:05
  Speaker 17: and no one can really name the precise amount of
• 40:08
  Speaker 17: how much they've put into the energy transition. Yet the
• 40:11
  Speaker 17: share of wind and solar power in Germany's energy mix
• 40:17
  Speaker 17: is declining dramatically, and there's no surprises why. It's because
• 40:21
  Speaker 17: the months when they don't do well with wind and solar,
• 40:24
  Speaker 17: those months are usually win free onshore and offshore. So
• 40:28
  Speaker 17: if the Coalition highlighted what's happening around even the enthusiastic
• 40:33
  Speaker 17: countries for net zero and find out and point out
• 40:36
  Speaker 17: that they're having problems, then it shouldn't be too difficult
• 40:39
  Speaker 17: to point out the risks and consequences of net zero
• 40:42
  Speaker 17: here in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Chris, Yeah, you're right.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Apart from Germany, you can look at Spain, you can
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: look at California.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: There are plenty of examples. Chickens are coming home to
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: roof roost. Thanks for joining us, Tom, I appreciate it.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I love it when you remind everybody I work for Temple.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: We do it every week. Tom Switzer there from the
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Center for Independent Startup. He's coming up. We're going to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: have the Wednesday Wrangle.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: On the other side of this break, Danika to Georgia
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: and Justin Justin Smith join me. We're going to talk Trump, sharks,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: and a little bit of sexism too.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Let's get into the Wednesday wrangkle with Donika.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: To Georgio on the set here with me host of
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Donika of course, also filling in for Sharry at the moment.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: At eight o'clock and in Melbourne, we're joined by Justin Smith,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: back from another stint of the ABC pumping out anti
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Israel propaganda and climate.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Change of armism.
• 41:32
  Speaker 18: Come back to the real world, mate, he's up, Mate, speak.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Lovely to see you. Look.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I want to get thoughts from both of you about
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: this pro Palestinian protesters and their aims to sort of
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: take over the Sydney Harbor Bridge on Sunday. Do you
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: think this is a smart move by the protesters?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: What are you expecting to unfold? Justin I don't.
• 42:00
  Speaker 18: I don't know if it is a smart move because
• 42:02
  Speaker 18: it's going to take a lot of people off. And
• 42:03
  Speaker 18: as you know, I love a protest and I think
• 42:05
  Speaker 18: it's important, and you've got to get noisy, you've got
• 42:09
  Speaker 18: to make people hear you've been upsetting people or breaking
• 42:12
  Speaker 18: any laws or any kind of violence or any kind
• 42:16
  Speaker 18: of bigotry. Just surely anyone take mad I'm not saying
• 42:20
  Speaker 18: that's what they're going to do on the weekend, but
• 42:21
  Speaker 18: surely everything that we've seen like that doesn't work. The
• 42:25
  Speaker 18: protest actually just doesn't work. So I think the entire country,
• 42:31
  Speaker 18: everyone protesting at the moment, needs to rejig the way
• 42:34
  Speaker 18: they do it because they're working well.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: The pro Palestinian protest a Nika have been ugly.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: They're anti Israel.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: They chart things like from the river to the Sea,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: and death to the IDF and death to Zionus and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: where's the Jews and whatever. It would be a terrible
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: thing for this country if they take over the Sydney
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: But I'm worried it's going to happen.
• 42:54
  Speaker 18: I'm worried it's.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Going to happen too.
• 42:55
  Speaker 19: And don't forget last time when what about National Landmarks
• 42:59
  Speaker 19: was hijacked on the steps of the Sydney Opera House,
• 43:01
  Speaker 19: where gas the Jews or where are the Jews? Suddenly
• 43:04
  Speaker 19: became a point of contention. It went worldwide those pictures
• 43:07
  Speaker 19: and were an utter embarrassment. But here we go again,
• 43:09
  Speaker 19: though they could apparently be washed out by a big
• 43:11
  Speaker 19: cold front that's going to hit on Sunday. But look,
• 43:14
  Speaker 19: I think we've given these people a lot of opportunity.
• 43:17
  Speaker 19: Yesterday police said that they have dealt with this particular
• 43:19
  Speaker 19: group one hundred times. For goodness sake, the amount of
• 43:23
  Speaker 19: resources that are being thrown at these pro Palestine protests,
• 43:26
  Speaker 19: but also blocking off the main artery.
• 43:28
  Speaker 18: So you can protest, no but justice. You can't protest
• 43:32
  Speaker 18: unless you agree with you. You can't protest Sydney Harbour Bridge.
• 43:36
  Speaker 19: This is the Sydney Harbour Bridge. This is the main
• 43:38
  Speaker 19: artery to get from A to B.
• 43:40
  Speaker 18: What is how many times they've got to how many
• 43:43
  Speaker 18: times they protest? Had got to do with it. What
• 43:45
  Speaker 18: have they protested a hundred times? What does that mean?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: One hundred and one?
• 43:49
  Speaker 18: You can't protest anymore? One hundred and two?
• 43:51
  Speaker 19: I mean, Justine Sydney harbour Bridge here, Well, how does
• 43:54
  Speaker 19: it work for you then when emergency services can't go
• 43:57
  Speaker 19: over the harbor Bridge to get to emergencies.
• 44:00
  Speaker 18: Now that's been blocked off. Pushed me into something I
• 44:02
  Speaker 18: didn't say. Question. You are saying that because they protested
• 44:06
  Speaker 18: a hundred times before. You were talking about them protesting
• 44:10
  Speaker 18: a hundred times before and that being a problem. So
• 44:13
  Speaker 18: what's the number on protest that you can do?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: We are a demonist.
• 44:17
  Speaker 19: Let's talk about what we're talking about.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Enough on this.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I think once they start talking to death to dur
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: and where's the Jews, they shouldn't be allowed.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: To protest again.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: And I think they should have their march in the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: tunnel so for at least half an hour they'll get
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: some sense of what it's like to be in a
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: tunnel under Gaza rather than spreading hate on the Harbor Bridge.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Let me go to sexism. It's raised its head again
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: in a rather ridiculous way. Have a look at this
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Federal Liberal MP in Parliament he's been accused of sexism
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: for these comments.
• 44:48
  Speaker 20: Men tend to be more drawn to vocations and involve
• 44:51
  Speaker 20: mass physical exertion, like construction and trades, whereas women in
• 44:55
  Speaker 20: the main tend to be drawn to careers that involve
• 44:58
  Speaker 20: women and care and other people. Vocations like hairdressers, nursing,
• 45:04
  Speaker 20: social workers and the like will always be more female dominated. Now,
• 45:08
  Speaker 20: we need to ensure those who aren't wide this way
• 45:11
  Speaker 20: from the opposite sex have the same opportunity as everyone else.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: So, Janikia, is he being sexist?
• 45:18
  Speaker 19: I don't know why people are so offended by this.
• 45:19
  Speaker 19: We're going to stop being offended by everything. No, of
• 45:22
  Speaker 19: course he's not being sexist. What he is actually saying
• 45:25
  Speaker 19: is fat. We've got women in this country. Actually, looked
• 45:27
  Speaker 19: up some stats. Women seventy two percent of the teaching
• 45:31
  Speaker 19: workforce are women because women tend to go for those
• 45:33
  Speaker 19: sorts of caring roles. You look at construction workers, that
• 45:36
  Speaker 19: is about a million men as opposed to one hundred
• 45:39
  Speaker 19: and fifty six thousand women. It's a fact, Chris.
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: We've got to stop being.
• 45:43
  Speaker 19: So oh, can't you know offended by that?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I'll grow up.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Seriously, it is kind of funny Jessin, because the lefties
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: can always say we've got to boost the wages of
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: nurses because they're mainly women, and we need to get
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: rid of the gender pay gap. So they're allowed to
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: say that a sec that is feminized, but he's not
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: allowed to mention any of these gender divisions.
• 46:05
  Speaker 18: Well, you know what I've read Terry Brown's sorry, Terry
• 46:10
  Speaker 18: Young's comments. I've read it maybe three times and I've
• 46:13
  Speaker 18: watched it maybe four times, and I haven't got a
• 46:16
  Speaker 18: clue what he's talking about. I mean, I know the
• 46:18
  Speaker 18: point he's making about males and females, but how does
• 46:21
  Speaker 18: that fall into quotas. I might be being obtuse, and
• 46:25
  Speaker 18: I'm sorry, maybe my head has been blunted by my
• 46:28
  Speaker 18: time off from this segment, but I haven't got a
• 46:31
  Speaker 18: clue what he's talking about. I really don't know. You'll
• 46:34
  Speaker 18: have to You'll have to ask me another question, because
• 46:37
  Speaker 18: I really don't know what he's driving at. Does he
• 46:40
  Speaker 18: want to see an end to quotas and end to
• 46:41
  Speaker 18: targets or does he want more women in the workforce
• 46:44
  Speaker 18: or fuel? I mean, I actually just don't get it. Yeah,
• 46:47
  Speaker 18: I don't know what he's talking about.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Either funny that he was hauled up for sexism when
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: from that bit of his comments, I couldn't see.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Any I want to go.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I want to go to an ad that involves was
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: an actress. I've not heard of her, but you probably have.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: The name is Sidney Sweeney, and apparently she's quite attractive.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Apparently that's a selling point for these genes. But this
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: ad has created term all have a look.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: But if you said that you want to buy the gens,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to stop you. But as the we're clear,
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: this is not me telling you to buy American egal chance.
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: Sidney's Tweeney has very keen You see what I.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Did there right.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Justin Sidney Sweeney has great genes. Apparently that's racist because
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: she's white.
• 47:39
  Speaker 18: Yeah, this whole segment should be just things Justin doesn't get.
• 47:43
  Speaker 18: I actually don't understand. I really don't understand what.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 18: I mean, it's a pretty lame ad. To be frank,
• 47:50
  Speaker 18: I think it's pretty lame. But I don't get that either.
• 47:54
  Speaker 18: I really don't see what the problem is with it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 18: It's a hell of a stretch, isn't it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: It is a e a stretch. I mean the play
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: on words, she's got good genes.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I mean they're going to have to race out an
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: ad now if they want to bow to the critics,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: they have to race out another ad with an actress
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: or actor with a different ethnic background so they can
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: say they've got good genes too.
• 48:15
  Speaker 19: This is what it is, right, this is the problem.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 48:17
  Speaker 19: Firstly, what I'll say is number one rule of marketing
• 48:19
  Speaker 19: sex cells. Okay, now you've got a very attractive woman,
• 48:22
  Speaker 19: and I think half of the criticism level towards Sydney
• 48:25
  Speaker 19: Sweeney is because of the fact that she is very attracted.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I find it very attractive. I don't see what the
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: deal is.
• 48:30
  Speaker 19: I think she's a pretty woman.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: You don't think she is. I think she's an attracted
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I think Sidney Sweeny's got bad geens.
• 48:37
  Speaker 19: You can't say you must be the only man that
• 48:39
  Speaker 19: would ever think that, Chris, that's going to go.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that a lovely young lady.
• 48:44
  Speaker 19: But I think sex cells and I think people are
• 48:46
  Speaker 19: jealous because she is a young attractive woman. And it's
• 48:49
  Speaker 19: also this reverse racism. But if it was a person
• 48:51
  Speaker 19: of color, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. But again,
• 48:54
  Speaker 19: it's the left. This always gets peddled by the left,
• 48:56
  Speaker 19: this reverse racism. It needs to be a person of color,
• 48:59
  Speaker 19: it can't be white.
• 49:00
  Speaker 18: What's left about that? I don't understand what do you
• 49:02
  Speaker 18: mean left? What's left about.
• 49:04
  Speaker 19: Because the criticism has come from the left. The lefties
• 49:09
  Speaker 19: are all saying, oh, she's white, that's why.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Well, we were hoping, we were hoping you would say it,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: justin so we could have the.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Argument living up to the title wrangle. But we're right
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: out of time.
• 49:20
  Speaker 18: Now that's left.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Thanks for wrangling with us, Justin Smith and Deneka to
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Giorgio Deanika will be back at eight o'clock filling in
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: for Sharry. I told you we're going to talk about sharks.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: That is shark Nett's a lot of controversy. I say
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: leave them in because we want to look after people. Also,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump I mentioned apparently seventy percent of Australians really
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: don't like Donald Trump. I think we kind of all
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: knew that, but latest figures show that. Thanks for joining me.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I'll be back tomorrow night at five o'clock. This cold
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: notwithstanding