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Bo Naylor testifying in Clase/Ortiz rigging case, Murphy apologizes to Cashman, Freddy Peralta's value · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 3: next week, the awards get announced, right? We know that.
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  Speaker 2: hall of fame class, um, announced on November 16th.
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  Speaker 2: Or no, they usually announce it or that's the 27 ballot.
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  Speaker 2: meetings that won't happen. Um, AJ, this is interesting. The
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  Speaker 2: insight on how much of a frenzy this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be in the next few weeks. And then we
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  Speaker 2: have the owners meetings in New York in mid-November, the
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  Speaker 2: more weight. Usually we don't really cover that, but I
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  Speaker 2: think we're going to cover that a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: than we usually do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, these are big dates coming up. whether you're
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  Speaker 4: into the award shows, whether you're into seeing GMs and
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  Speaker 4: what they're all going to sit in a room and
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  Speaker 4: talk about trades they're going to execute. And then the
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  Speaker 4: owners meetings are going to sit there and say, well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm giving you $ 100 million. You're not spending it correctly,
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  Speaker 4: so let's blame the players. Yeah, that's kind of the
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  Speaker 4: dates that are going to happen. The Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 4: ballot will be cool to see who's on there. I
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  Speaker 4: think we have a pretty good idea who's on there,
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  Speaker 4: who's going to make it. Um, first, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if there's any first timers that have a chance. I
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  Speaker 4: haven't really dug into it. And then, um, after that,
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  Speaker 4: it's all going to be about who gets tendered and
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  Speaker 4: who can sign before December 1st, December 1st is the
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  Speaker 4: key date and we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There's a tender deadline on the 20th too. Speaking of tenders,
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  Speaker 3: which is, which is huge.
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  Speaker 6: You're tender, but I would say I want to be
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  Speaker 6: in on the owner's meeting. I want to know what
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  Speaker 6: it's like. I want to know what it's like to
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  Speaker 6: be in the room with guys, uh, 30 groups of
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  Speaker 6: people that I want to hear what they have to say.
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  Speaker 1: I do. I want to hear.
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  Speaker 6: So if there's an invite, you guys, you can extend
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  Speaker 6: an invite out to me. I will show up if
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  Speaker 6: you invite me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. If you have a billion dollars, you have a chance. Otherwise, no.
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  Speaker 2: There's an interesting layer to that owner's meeting with the
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  Speaker 2: Angels too. We'll get to that later on. Let's hit
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  Speaker 2: free agency. Today we discuss the Freddie Peralta market. Now,
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  Speaker 2: some of the publications that cover the sport have put
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  Speaker 2: out projections. Tim Britton is thinking three years, 84 million
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  Speaker 2: bucks for Freddie. Kylie McDaniel came out with his report
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  Speaker 2: the other day, or his projections, not a report. Four years,
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  Speaker 2: $ 96 million. So a little bit more for Freddie on
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  Speaker 2: that one. Remember, not eligible for a qualifying offer. That's
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  Speaker 2: why you didn't get one. You're not eligible if you
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  Speaker 2: get traded during the season. That's what happened with Freddie.
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  Speaker 2: That's a blessing for Freddie AJ, because it usually just
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  Speaker 2: knocks some money off. And some teams even knock off
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  Speaker 2: that list. If they're obsessed with their draft pick over
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  Speaker 2: the particular player, right? It doesn't necessarily affect the guy.
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  Speaker 2: Usually that's five, seven year plus kind of contract, but
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  Speaker 2: Freddie's looking most likely at three or four. According to
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  Speaker 2: these projections, I saw a couple other projections that had
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  Speaker 2: them hitting the low to mid hundreds, like between a
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  Speaker 2: hundred and 125. So, Thoughts, first of all, on Freddie's value,
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  Speaker 2: and then we can come up with some teams and
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  Speaker 2: some free agent comps, too.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Freddie's value was immensely improved once he went to
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  Speaker 4: the Rays. Whatever the Mets did to him wasn't good.
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  Speaker 4: Freddie's value was immensely improved, and then the way he
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  Speaker 4: pitched in the postseason, he was really good in the postseason,
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  Speaker 4: so teams are going to look at it. And the
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  Speaker 4: one thing about Freddie Peralta that he does is he
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  Speaker 4: makes his starts. He always makes his starts. Whether they're
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  Speaker 4: good or bad, he makes all his starts. And I
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  Speaker 4: know he's turning 31, but I think he could find
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  Speaker 4: a five-year deal. I think he can find a team
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  Speaker 4: that will give him a five-year deal. I really do.
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  Speaker 4: I know it's three and four years that most people
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  Speaker 4: are going with, but I really believe there will be
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  Speaker 4: a team out there that will say, ah, he hasn't
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  Speaker 4: turned 31 yet. He won't turn 31 until the next season.
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  Speaker 4: We can figure out a way to keep him going
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  Speaker 4: for five years, and I think he'll figure out a
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  Speaker 4: way to get five years. Now, what that number will be, 5-120, 5-110, 5-125,
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  Speaker 4: Whatever it is, but Freddie's valuable in the clubhouse. Freddie
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  Speaker 4: takes the ball every time, good or bad, and his
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  Speaker 4: numbers vastly improved once he got around someone that could
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  Speaker 4: figure out how to make him pitch well. So I
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  Speaker 4: think Freddie should get a five-year deal somewhere. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know where that's going to be, but he should get one.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 6: The three- and four-year projections, I wasn't 100%. It just
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  Speaker 6: felt low to me because of the fact that he
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  Speaker 6: makes his starts. There's plenty of guys that, you would say, okay,
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  Speaker 6: they're kind of just average pitchers, but they make their
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  Speaker 6: starts for the previous five seasons before free agency, and
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  Speaker 6: they go ahead and they get a nice, very lucrative contract.
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  Speaker 6: Freddie's an above average pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: I get it.
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  Speaker 6: He had a down year. New York Mets fans would
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  Speaker 6: be like, no chance. I would never want to see
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  Speaker 6: this guy on the mound again. I understand that, but
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  Speaker 6: he didn't just turn it around for three games in Tampa.
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  Speaker 6: He turned it around for 10 plus straight quality starts.
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  Speaker 6: So his strikeouts are down. That's why I don't think
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  Speaker 6: he's going to be $ 150 million pitcher, but I think
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  Speaker 6: he's over a hundred and I agree with AJ. It'll be,
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  Speaker 6: it'll be five years unless the team wants to just
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  Speaker 6: make it four, but throw until 36 for a durable pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that that long in this day and age.
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  Speaker 2: Do you guys believe in the changes based on the
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  Speaker 2: prior track record? Do you look at the Met situation
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  Speaker 2: as a blip? and just say whatever. Yeah, you both agree?
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  Speaker 4: Because we saw him do it for extended starts, and
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  Speaker 4: someone said something to him, and maybe he's learned from now,
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  Speaker 4: and he doesn't go back to what he was doing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was all about extension, getting down the mound,
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  Speaker 4: all those things that Freddie was so great at and
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  Speaker 4: he was known for before he went to the Mets.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know what the Mets told him, but
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  Speaker 4: whatever it was, it went right. And when he went
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  Speaker 4: to the Rays, they were like, hey, go back to
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  Speaker 4: being what you did. And what he did was be
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  Speaker 4: a really good pitcher.
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  Speaker 3: E.K.
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  Speaker 6: I couldn't say anything else. I don't know what it was.
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  Speaker 6: Whatever it was with the Mets, it is on Freddie.
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  Speaker 6: It's not on the Mets saying, like, there aren't coaches
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  Speaker 6: who are like, well, if you don't do this. Like,
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  Speaker 6: Freddie was going to be one of the guys. He
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  Speaker 6: was going to be the guy in their rotation.
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  Speaker 1: I get it.
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  Speaker 6: McLean was, you know, the lead guy in their rotation.
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  Speaker 6: But Freddie was a nice 1A. in that rotation. And
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  Speaker 6: so it's not like they're coming in and saying, you
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  Speaker 6: got to change everything, whatever it was, Freddie's part of that.
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  Speaker 6: And Freddie was also part of the change in Tampa.
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  Speaker 6: So I, I completely agree. I don't think I, I,
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  Speaker 6: I am leery sometimes of people who rebuild their value
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  Speaker 6: and then they go to free agency and they expect
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  Speaker 6: a certain amount. I don't think that's the case with Freddie.
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  Speaker 6: Look at his track record. A lot of consistent years
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  Speaker 6: of consistent amount of starts.
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  Speaker 2: Would you guys rather have him or Michael King for
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  Speaker 2: the next three or four years? You've got to sign
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  Speaker 2: a contract with one of these guys. They're the same age.
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  Speaker 3: Let's call it three, just so we don't even worry
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  Speaker 3: too much about the long, long term. Three years.
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  Speaker 2: You can have each of them for three years, call it.
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  Speaker 2: We'll even give them a little more on their AAB.
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  Speaker 2: Three years, 90. It's almost split in here because we've
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  Speaker 2: got Britain at 384.
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  Speaker 3: Kylie at 496. Let's say he gets a higher AAV.
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  Speaker 3: Three years, 90. Oh, look at that.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty comp board with King and Peralta on their regular
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  Speaker 2: season stats now. Remember, both of them pitched really well
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  Speaker 2: in the postseason. I know Freddie had the one blip
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  Speaker 2: in the World Series, and King was great with less
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  Speaker 2: innings to work with. AJ, I'm giving you three years,
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  Speaker 2: 90 million bucks for your team that needs a starter.
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  Speaker 3: Which one do you want?
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  Speaker 4: Freddie Peralta. Because he's going to give me 30 starts
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  Speaker 4: a year. Because he's going to give me 30 starts
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  Speaker 4: a year.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 4: Michael King is really good when he's out there, but
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  Speaker 4: he's not out there enough for me. He was this year,
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  Speaker 4: but in years past, he hasn't been out there enough.
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  Speaker 4: I'm taking Freddy Peralta. I'm taking my 30 starts, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying Freddy will figure it out. Plus, he has
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  Speaker 4: a track record of doing really well in different markets
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  Speaker 4: other than New York. Obviously, Milwaukee, Tampa, he's done well in.
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  Speaker 4: He's pitched in the relief. He's pitched in big games.
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  Speaker 4: He's pitched in the World Series. He's pitched in playoff games.
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  Speaker 4: Not that Michael King hasn't. I just feel like Freddie
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  Speaker 4: Peralta has an ability. And again, I don't know Michael
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  Speaker 4: King that well, and I know Freddie a little bit
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  Speaker 4: from the time he's on here. Everything we've heard about
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  Speaker 4: Freddie is he's unbelievable in the clubhouse. Not that Michael
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  Speaker 4: King isn't, but Freddie Peralta's value also is off the field.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we heard about him having a meeting with
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  Speaker 4: Soto and Lindor. He set it up in the Mets.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it didn't work out. They still weren't very good,
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  Speaker 4: but At least Freddie tried, right? We heard about how
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  Speaker 4: much everyone loved him in Milwaukee. We heard about guys
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  Speaker 4: in Tampa loving him. So for me, I think Michael
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  Speaker 4: King is really good. But if I'm going for a guy,
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  Speaker 4: I want the guy who gives me the starts all
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  Speaker 4: the time.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you presented this to Scott and I, two
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  Speaker 6: guys that I saw at the genesis of their career,
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  Speaker 6: Freddie P's first year in 18. Michael King, I caught
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  Speaker 6: almost all of his starts in AAA.
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  Speaker 1: One of the most... prepared guys.
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  Speaker 6: I've heard it's the exact same way when he's in
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  Speaker 6: the big leagues. Freddie P, very well prepared, understands what
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  Speaker 6: he has to do or needs to do. And they're
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  Speaker 6: both incredible clubhouse guys. Like both guys that you're getting
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  Speaker 6: three years of not only just their quality pitching, but
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  Speaker 6: the fact that you have a leader in the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 6: You have a leader in, not necessarily in the clubhouse,
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  Speaker 6: but a leader in the pitching staff. Somebody that's like
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  Speaker 6: young guys can watch and grow from, which is why
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  Speaker 6: I loved, excuse me, why I loved Freddie P going
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  Speaker 6: over to New York, you know, with the younger pitchers
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  Speaker 6: that they had on that staff.
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  Speaker 1: I have to lean towards Freddie P.
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  Speaker 6: And I have to lean towards Freddie P because of
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  Speaker 6: what AJ said, the health. And also the fact that
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  Speaker 6: Michael King, while he stayed healthy this year, has been
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  Speaker 6: a strikeout guy. And I know Freddie's strikeouts have been
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  Speaker 6: down also this year. But Michael King's drop in strikeouts
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  Speaker 6: to keep his longevity and health this year may have
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  Speaker 6: been a little bit of a give and take. So
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  Speaker 6: I'm splitting hairs. I don't think either team is getting...
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  Speaker 6: A bad player, but I'm taking Freddie P.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean by dropping Ks? And I'll list this.
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  Speaker 2: The K rate did drop, but the velocity was actually
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  Speaker 2: up a tick. Yes, the ground balls were up. So
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  Speaker 2: you're saying just a little more going after the contact
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  Speaker 2: to get the outs. Do you think that was an
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  Speaker 2: implied strategy versus him just not actually striking out as
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  Speaker 2: many batters? He was down to 21% in 2026. A
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  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, he was at 28% in his
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  Speaker 2: first full year as a starter.
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  Speaker 6: Because you have an injury, yes, the velocity might come back,
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  Speaker 6: but is the stuff still there? Again, I'm splitting hairs.
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  Speaker 6: That punch out takes a little bit extra. Maybe he's
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  Speaker 6: just getting young. Maybe he's just getting smarter with his
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  Speaker 6: old age. The fact that he gets an opportunity to
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  Speaker 6: go deeper into games.
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  Speaker 1: He had more innings. He made all his starts.
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  Speaker 6: The best way to do that is to not have
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  Speaker 6: as stressful innings and have, you know, Always go for
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  Speaker 6: the strikeout, which is going to cause your pitch count
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  Speaker 6: to go up and not be able to make as
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  Speaker 6: deep a run into each start. But also, you know,
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  Speaker 6: maybe he felt like that was wearing on him a
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  Speaker 6: little bit. I think there is also a world where
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  Speaker 6: you're getting a year younger Freddie P than Michael King.
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  Speaker 6: Michael King will be 32 come into this next season.
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  Speaker 6: Freddie P will be 31. They're almost exactly a year apart.
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  Speaker 3: Clean sweep. So here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, I have one playoff game I need to win.
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  Speaker 2: I'm giving King the edge. It's very slight, though.
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  Speaker 1: That's a different question.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying the answer, though, is the same
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  Speaker 2: as you guys. I think when it comes to the
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  Speaker 2: full season, the durability, all of that, Freddie is an
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  Speaker 2: easy win on that one. And I know some might
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  Speaker 2: look at the mileage. That used to be a game like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this guy doesn't have much mileage on his arm. Remember
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Samarja?
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh, look.
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  Speaker 3: He's a starter now. He doesn't have much mileage.
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  Speaker 2: But if you have an injury past, that is the
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  Speaker 2: number one indicator of injury future. And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: King's going to be hurt, but the percentage chance that
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be hurt is higher than Freddie.
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  Speaker 3: That's just what it looks like. So I'm with you guys.
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  Speaker 3: I'll go Freddie on that one too. And yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: do think that the projections are going to get beaten here.
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  Speaker 3: I even said 390. I think that we're going to
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  Speaker 3: get to the hundreds or at least one of these guys,
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  Speaker 3: if not both. And here's why.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the way that we cap off this segment. AJ,
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to teams that are fit, I think
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  Speaker 2: any team that's involved in Scooble or even thinking that
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  Speaker 2: Scooble is interesting, but they can't pay at the 300,
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  Speaker 2: 400 level goes to the next rung and tier. And
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  Speaker 2: it includes King and Peralta. So in that case, I
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  Speaker 2: think you're going to have five to 10 teams interested
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  Speaker 2: at this level. And these are guys that can start
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  Speaker 2: a playoff game for you in game one or two.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, when you combine all of that, I
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  Speaker 2: think they're, my guess is they're probably going to have
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of three-year offers and maybe one team does four,
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  Speaker 2: lowers the AAV a little bit and ends up at
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  Speaker 2: like 4-1-10 or something like that. And it goes to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whoever's second place, third place, fourth place, Cubs, Padres, Mets,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera, whoever doesn't get Scooble.
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  Speaker 4: Every team should be in on these two guys. They're
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  Speaker 4: not so expensive. They're not Derek Scooble. There should be
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  Speaker 4: 30 teams in on these guys. These guys aren't breaking
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  Speaker 4: the bank. They're not the, 400, 300, 400 million dollar guy.
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  Speaker 4: Every team. 29 teams should be in on Freddie Peralta
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  Speaker 4: and Michael King. Sorry. All 30 teams should be in
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  Speaker 4: on these two guys. They're not overpriced and they're not
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  Speaker 4: out of the realm of any team's payroll if they
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  Speaker 4: really want to win.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think there's an amount of money
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  Speaker 6: for either one of them to go there, but Sacramento.
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  Speaker 6: To me, when you're talking about a pitcher under 150 million,
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  Speaker 6: you're talking about a pitcher that you're going to take
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  Speaker 6: into the new stadium with this lineup, I think Sacramento
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  Speaker 6: needs to overpay. I think even to another end of
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  Speaker 6: the spectrum, the Phillies could always use another guy. For
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  Speaker 6: $ 100 million, how are you allotting that money in a
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  Speaker 6: better way than these two? And my last is, let's
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  Speaker 6: say the Cubs do go after Tarek Skubal. Let's say
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  Speaker 6: we have $ 350 million that we're willing to put. We
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  Speaker 6: lose to whoever, the Dodgers or the Mets or whoever
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  Speaker 6: gets Scooble.
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  Speaker 1: Why not get both?
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  Speaker 6: You're going to spend less money. You have an absolute
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  Speaker 6: crater of a hole in the rotation. And now you couple,
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  Speaker 6: if not one, both of these guys with steel and portent. Like,
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  Speaker 6: I just think it would be Very few times do
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  Speaker 6: you have two free agent pitchers go to the same team.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like this could be a chance.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I think Atlanta's a big player for this. First of all,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Sacramento can't happen unless they overpay beyond. Like another year,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: highest A, B. You've got to wait until you're in
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Vegas or guys are just going to say no in
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: my mind. But I like the idea. I think Atlanta's
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: got to get a starter. I think you've got to
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: bring Molly back and then get a starter so that
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: you feel like you're going into the season with guys
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: that can pitch playoff games for you. It's too much
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: of waiting for a group of four to five that
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: have had really long-term injuries at this point.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: The Red Sox brought in a big bopper. His name's
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Shelly Duncan. Never heard of him.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Used to be a big dude in the big leagues
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: hitting some homers for a minute. and then has the
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: famous dad, Dave Duncan, who worked on the Cardinals staff
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: for a long time as their pitching coach, working with
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Tony LaRusso.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Anyway, he was hired to the Red Sox. We don't
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: have the job yet. That's unique.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: What is the role? I guess they just didn't announce
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: it yet, but they want him. Talent acquisition.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. He's on the big league staff. He's
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: a big league something. And listen, Shelly's Shelly's interesting. I've
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: known Shelly for a long time. Him and Brian Anderson,
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: who I played with forever, were really tight. And, you know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: he's always funny. He can get a little crazy sometimes,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: but he's a good guy to have on your side.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: And I think that's what the Red Sox, they're like, hey,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: plus we can poach someone from the Yankees again and
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: put them on our team. OK, let's do it. And
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: good for Shelly. Welcome back to the big leagues, because
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: I know he was a coach for the White Sox
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: there for a couple of years, too. So welcome back
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: to the big leagues, Shelly. Long, long stint in the
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: minor leagues. Yeah, I think it was one year.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: He was with the Jays, too, during that time. He
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: definitely is a domineering presence. But, AJ, wouldn't you want
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: to know what job you have? I guess it's different
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: for different people. Like, well, I just want to be
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: in the big leagues. I don't want to be managing
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: in Scranton anymore, which I get. Some people like the
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: big league life. But wouldn't you want to know what
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: you're doing?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure they told him. They just probably
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: didn't announce it. They probably told him.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: There's no way he went there.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: He knows what he's doing.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Right? There's no way.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Nobody knew what he did with the White Sox when
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: he was in the big leagues. Nobody knew what he did.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: He was just kind of like a guy that was there.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: What is it that you do here?
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: Like I got offered a job. I got offered a
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: job from a team and they said, look, we saved
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: a pension position because they knew I didn't have my
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: 10 years. They said we saved a pension position because
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: but your job is going to be kind of fluid.
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: Like we want you to learn under our bench coach.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: You could be like a third assistant, but we don't
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: have a name for it. A third assistant hitting coach.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, I don't need a name, but like,
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: I think maybe some people need a name.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess you're, you're on the big
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: league stage.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Roving.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Roving. Yeah, but you're not roving.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: You're just, you're with the team. Like, You wouldn't go
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: anywhere else. Roving would be like, I'm going to all
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: the minor league levels.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Roving rolls. Super utility.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Special assistant manager.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: What's up?
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: AJ Ellis has joined the Mets coaching staff under Andy Green,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: who is going to be the main man running the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Mets as the manager. Remember, he was the interim guy,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: and then they picked him up. Ellis served as special
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: assistant baseball ops for the Padres since 19, and these
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: two are good buddies.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: They hope to work together, and.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Now they will. Kevin Acey, who reports on the Padres,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: said Ellis will be missed. So, A.J., they're trying to
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: switch things up, the Mets. I mean, we've talked about
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: this a lot. They're trying to switch things up, but
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: they don't want too much turnover. It's a tricky spot
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: because it's like win or potentially get fired. Or it
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: is win or get fired for the front office here.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I know AJL has had prellers here in San Diego.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: He did a lot around there. Again, I got to
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: follow them against the Brewers and saw how much he
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: was involved. He was on the field. He was in
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: the dugout. He was talking to everybody. So, yeah, he
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: will be missed in San Diego because he did a lot.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: And maybe this is a step to maybe him getting
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: a big league manager's job. I think he's interviewed in
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: the past. But if you're best friends with someone and
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: he gets an opportunity to give you a job and
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: you really like them, you should do it. Although I
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: warn you, Mark Perrin and Robin Ventura were best friends.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: Just careful what you ask for sometimes. That's a whole segment, Scott.
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: That's a whole segment. What was happening there?
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I got to Google that one.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I'd work with my best friend. I think that'd be great.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: But then would you fire your best friend?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the only reason you are friends. Not just
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: going to play.
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: I guess that's not nepotism, but I'm not like, bro,
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: if you're not holding up your, like, I'm not going to, I'll,
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: I'll stand on a grenade for you.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: But like, if you're not holding up your end of
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the bargain.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: But then you'll strip away his healthcare?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: If what?
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: But then you'll strip away his healthcare?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe. Yeah, he'll get big league healthcare. He'll be fine.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Highly regarded, though, was as a player, too. And we'll
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: see what that looks like for the Mets. I mean,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I am fascinated to see what they do. If they
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: don't get Scooble, what does it look like? They might
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: go that route that Kratz talked about. You can't get Freddie,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: but is it Michael King? Plus, I'm forgetting the name
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: of the good pitcher in Japan. Like, do you try
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and rack a few of those versus, yes, versus the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: one big fish? It's more their style.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Depends on what you ask. just some fans yelled at
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: us and we said certain people left. It was good.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: And certain Yankee fans, if you remember when we remember
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: when certain people left and we're like, Oh, because so-and-so left,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: we were, they were able to get A, B, C,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: and D. And they're like, ha, that's not how it works.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: And we're like, okay.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Hey, did you guys see that Pat Murphy went on
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Joel Sherman and John Heyman show? And he explained that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: he called Brian Cashman right away about the comment to
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Jake Bowers being.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Like, you, you're going to be a rich bleeper. And, Remember,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you were on that horse bleep Yankees team playing all
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: for yourself. Just remember, this is the way we used
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: to do it.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: He actually explained to AJ that that was the running
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: bit he had with Jake Bowers all year, and he
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: just used the Yankees since he had played with them,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: or at least this is all that he claims. But
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: that's how he cleared things up.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I don't even know why this is a thing. They're
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: in the heat of the moment. They're celebrating. Say whatever
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: you want. And listen, he was being honest with Jake Bowers.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: And if you know Murph at all, he's very sarcastic
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: and he just makes these dry jokes all the time.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: And you just have to understand that. The problem is
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: that people hear this and are like, oh, he's taking
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: a shot at the Yankees. He was more giving Jake
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Bowers crap. And this is the way Murph goes about
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: congratulating Jake Bowers on an unbelievable year and him about
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: to get paid. So he basically was just saying, hey,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: remember this team when you go get rich. And he
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: was saying, I'm proud of you like a dad. I'm
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: proud of you for getting paid and playing great. Now,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: when you go away, just remember that we used to
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: do it a different way. It wasn't– I didn't know that–
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was very nice that Murph called Brian Cashman.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I didn't think it was necessary, but it was nice.
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: It wasn't like Cashman didn't answer his call. Like, I'm
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: sure Cashman was totally fine with what he said.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And you know what?
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Knowing Cashman a little bit, maybe if he took offense
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: to it, it would be something that they would address.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: Cashman's not a dude that's going to sit there and
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: be like, What they're saying is lies. There's no way
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: we're not athletic. And then within two years, they got
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: a little bit more athletic. They started stealing more bases.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, you know what?
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: In every piece of sarcasm, I guess there's a little
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: bit of truth, but the reality is Murph was just
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: saying what AJ said. Don't forget us little guys when
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: you go and get paid.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And then maybe Cashman was like, how do we play more.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Like you guys? He was definitely... they're entrenched in how
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: they do it. They're a good team too, Scott. They're
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a good team. I know. They're good.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: They're good.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Just how do we get over the hump?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: It's been a minute.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Teach us.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but then they'd say the Yankees had a World
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: Series before them until this year.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Those two teams, though, play very, very– like that's basically
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the opposite ends of the spectrum.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Totally different.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Brewers and Yankees are– Just offensively, not defensively.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Do you guys know that there is a big trial
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: going on right now in Brooklyn? Pitch rigging trial.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: It's Class A.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: It's Ortiz.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: It was talked about a while ago. They haven't played
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: in baseball in a minute at this point. And they've
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: kind of switched things around because originally Luis Ortiz said
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: he was a victim of Emmanuel Class A's scheme. This
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: is the pitch rigging scheme where a lot came out
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: on allegations involving these two pitchers. Class A definitely more
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: so than Ortiz. But now things have changed. They're actually
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: kind of teaming up on their defense strategies. And this
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: is great coverage here from Sam Blum on everything. And actually,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: this just came in. He said Milwaukee Brewers catcher Bo
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Naylor is scheduled to testify today in the USA versus
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Class A Ortiz case. He's a defense witness testifying out
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: of order. And Class A and Ortiz argued on the
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: first day their pitches were part of legitimate game strategy.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: There's a lot to this one.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: We'll bring on Sam Blum at times when we can,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: but we can't get them all the time. So I
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: do want to get, you know, you guys to chime in.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: First off, you guys are both catchers. Bo Naylor's getting
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: called into court in a case that could send former
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: teammates to prison. AJ, would you be like, damn, I
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: wish I wasn't getting this kind of call.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: You don't want to get that call, but you're also
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: going to tell the truth. At any point, when they
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: said it was part of a strategy, Kratz, at any point,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: did you say throw the slider seven feet outside the
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: first pitch you come in?
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: I don't have the Pitchcom system, but I don't think
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: there's one that says yard dart. Throw me one in
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: front of home plate for the first pitch of the at-bat.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: My wife asked me today, she was reading about this,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: and she said, She said, well, what if the guy swings?
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: I said, if you saw the pitches, there's no way
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: a guy would swing at these pitches. They were so
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: far out of the strike zone that nobody could have
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: swung at them. That was the point. And to say
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: that they didn't do this on purpose, listen, I've been
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: around a lot of people and I've seen closers and
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: closers can get wild. But to just have it miraculously
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: happen where they threw pitches that were seven feet outside
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: on the ones that they were bet on, seems pretty
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: like a pretty huge coincidence to me.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Like this is not a, Something where, man, they bet
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: on 30 pitches and it was just this one. They
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: bet on one pitch and it was the one that
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: was eight feet outside. It just seems like a very
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: odd coincidence.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Wait, and there's more. Because again, allegations.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: But when you read these articles, for example, you've got
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: class A going into the clubhouse, texting with a guy,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: then goes out there. And then all of a sudden,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: this is where regulation works, okay? You're regulating betting, which
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: has been going on since the freaking Coliseum days, right?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you're like, wait, you're seeing hundreds
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of thousands, millions of dollars more on one particular pitch
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: than you usually see. Hmm, we should investigate this. That's
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: how this stuff gets caught. These are not the first
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: two guys to ever do stuff like this. This has
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: been going on for decades, centuries, right? Easier to catch
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: it now when you see, hey, ding, ding, ding. Why
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: is everybody betting on Emmanuel Classe's first pitch in a
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: random game in the regular season? Or why is there
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: so much handle, right? So much money on that. And
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: so these two are both now blaming Enoch Pena is
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: the name. It's a gambler that they feel like he
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: exploited them and provided false information to bettors. You also
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: have a part of this where they're saying like, oh,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Class A is rich. Why would he do this for
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: way less money than he gets paid?
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Does that work? We agree on that. We agree on
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that end. I mean, yeah, that's stupid. Why would you
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: do this? Why would you make.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: On some of them, he was making less than $ 12, 000
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: after the cut from whoever it was that he was
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: pushing it through, if you read all of it. And
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: to AJ's point about, like, all closers can get kind
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: of wild, like... If I go in court and they
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: would put me in court, I'd be like, well, history
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: will tell you, yes, closers can get wild. History will
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: tell you, in his four most dominant seasons as a closer,
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: he had 16 walks, 10 walks, 16 walks, 10 walks,
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: and 12 walks in 70-plus innings each year. Like, he's not–
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I thought this was open and shut,
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: and now that they're like– Ortiz was blaming Classe before,
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: and now they're like, no, no, no, I was kidding.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: Now this is the guy, Enoch Pena. This is who
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: we're blaming. I'm intrigued again. I thought it was open
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: and shut.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, 161 bets placed at Class A's home, 30 bets
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: placed at Progressive Field, right? It's like you've got a
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: guy that's placing this and then shaving some money off
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing. What were those bets placed at Class
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: A's home, okay? So this is what we don't know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: and again, these are all allegations. Maybe Class A and
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Ortiz had a gambling debt and the way they could
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: get it off was by saying, hey, we don't want
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: to have to send you money, dude. We don't want
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: to have to send you $ 20, 000 that we owe you
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: because that's going to ding on people's radar. How about
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: we do This, and this will be the scheme that
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: we do in class A. Obviously, over three years, did
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: this 18 times. He's being alleged, alleged. This is all alleged.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: But maybe they had a gambling debt. It's like the
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: guys that fix basketball games, right? They bet on other
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: stuff and they lose. And then they say all these basketball,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: you know, all these basketball games you've been heard have
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: been rigged over the years because they lost betting on
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: other stuff. And hey, by the way, I'll throw this
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: game so you can make all that money back and
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: we'll call it even. Maybe that's what happened. And also,
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: this also brings us back to the Pete Rose situation.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: This is why you can't allow Pete Rose back in
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: because if you allow him back in, this will happen
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: more frequently. It can't be legal to bet on games
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: because it questions you. It brings into the integrity of
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: baseball and you can't have the integrity of the game's
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: question because that makes, why do you play the game?
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: If there's 25 other guys on your team and you're
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: the only guy out there that knows I'm going to
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: throw this pitch crappy and And we lose the game
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: because of it, and it's because you're betting that questions
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: the integrity of the game. You can't have that happen.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like I always have to include
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: this for the people that defend Pete Rose with all
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: they can.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, it's legal to bet now.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, not for Emmanuel Classe to be rigging
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: a game, right? So accused of 18 pitches manipulated across
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: a few seasons and quite a bit of money being exchanged.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: By the way, Ortiz's attorneys say the catcher called the pitches.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: route through pitch calm well that doesn't mean he can't
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: throw it not close like great i called a fastball
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: inside and you threw it eight foot outside just because
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: i call it i mean kratz how many times you
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: call a pitch and you're like man i really want
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: this up and in and they throw it down and
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: away and the guy whacks it you're like oh man
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: i well sorry i mean come on that's the weakest
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: i'm sorry that's the weakest thing i've ever heard someone
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: try to defend.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: It That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm intrigued with this.
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: They're like, no, no, no, it was this. Actually, no, no, no, no,
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: it was this. And I've called plenty of pitches that
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: I've gotten yelled at for. Like a pitching coach definitely
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: yelled at me. I'm like, here, you push the buttons.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: You do it if you don't like what happened. I
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: didn't tell him to throw a yard dart. I didn't
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: have $ 12, 000 on the first pitch ball to start off
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: the ninth inning or whenever Luis Ortiz was throwing.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: And the defendants are pleading not guilty and denying all
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: allegations here.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, 161 bets placed at Klaas' home. What was
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: he betting on? Can we get that? What was he
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: betting on? Again, did he win or did he lose?
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Did he win or did he lose? Was he down
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: a bunch of money? Again, and he wanted to get
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: out of it by doing this for someone. Maybe he
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: had Enoch make the bets for him on his phone.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: And they just happened to ping on his IP address.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: And then so Klasse wouldn't get caught. And then he's losing.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: And then Enoch's like, man, you got to pay me
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: this money. And Klasse's going, man, I might be rich,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: but I don't know how I'm going to pay whatever
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: the number is without getting in trouble.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: It seems like a pretty open and shut case, but
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: these are all allegations that we don't know.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: And the whole Bo Naylor thing, the Bo Naylor thing today,
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: until this past college season, my friend's son is a
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: pitcher and he's a freshman and And they called, I'd
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: never heard of a coach, a catcher, call for a
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: slider in the dirt first pitch of an at-bat back-to-back pitches. So, like,
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: I've never called. I've said, hey, you know what, we're
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: going to stay away from this guy. So there's no
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: button on Pitchcom that says throw this ball in front
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: of home plate. This dude's swinging. He's definitely going to swing.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: We might chase away. We might say, you know what,
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: we're not going to go after this guy because we
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: got a base open, but it's not going to be
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: first pitch of the inning. Sorry, that's not why we
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: brought you in. We didn't bring you in for the
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: first pitch to be just absolute yard dart.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: There's a lot.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've read a lot about this case. The
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: cockfighting part of it too.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, we were talking about cockfighting.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, conveniently at the time that you go in and
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: then you do what Kratz is talking about and you
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: freaking dart pitches. And then there's a ton of money
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: spent on those pitches. Again, like maybe there is some
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: card that the defense is going to unveil that says, oh,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: you know what?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I get it now.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: But until then, this is going to be an interesting trial.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are surprised that
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: it's going to trial and they're fighting like this versus
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a plea deal.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: But that is your right. That is your right.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So we'll let this play out and we will document
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: it and we'll talk about it as it goes through.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: And great job by Sam Blum, who will give us
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of the information because you can't record it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Real quick. I also love that Ortiz's attorney is like, ah,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: the guy paying you, he's lying. He gave me bad
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: betting tips. So you lost. I mean, like he's, he's,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: you're lost.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I think he's saying Kenya gave bad betting tips to
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the other people that were placing the bets too on
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the pitch rigging.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: No, Well, then why do they only bet on two
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: pitches that he threw the whole year and both of
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: them happen to be balls and both of them happen
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: to be pitch outs on the first pitch? Like, come on.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, I get that you're trying to get doubt
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: in there, reasonable doubt, but any reasonable person can be like, yeah,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: they probably might have possibly allegedly done this.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I'll finish with this, right?
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: You're sitting there and you're at one of the sports
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: books and your boss comes over like, hey, how'd we.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Do, you know, on this game? Oh.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: We lost 500 Gs on a Class A pitch. We've
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: never lost more than 5K on this before, or whatever
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: It's literally that much. That's how this works.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: They lost 10 to 15 times more on a single
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: pitch in these games than they ever had on any
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: other pitch.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Anyway, sorry.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: I like common sense, and this just doesn't feel like
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: common sense.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm a betting man, so if I'm participating now...
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: That's why it's against the law, right? Because they're rigging
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the system that I'm participating in. That's just how the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: laws work. That's why you regulate it. Hey, is that
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: familiar to anyone? Anyone on this panel familiar with that
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: photo and that bat?
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: I know who that guy is.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: What about the bat?
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: I hadn't seen that bat, but now I have. It's
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: great that it's back in, it's in Cooperstown and put
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: away very nicely for mr blum who had a big
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: home run with that bat the only bat he had
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: in the world series was a home run that won
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: a game so never know minor moves matter.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah it was the hall of fame saying hey jeff
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: blum's here the big 2005 home run bat having a
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: little fun with it so it's kept there right it
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: was there and then he goes to basically give it
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: a little visit and say thank you thank you for
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: the title and my career just good good people um
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: And he's one of the funniest crossovers in the sport
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: because he's been the Astros broadcaster now, even though he
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: burned the Astros, but played for them too.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: AJ hangs around and rubs elbows with some very famous people.
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: I got to go to the Hall of Fame as
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: a kid. I got to go to the Hall of
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: Fame as a minor leaguer. I got to go to
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame as a big leaguer. And then
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: I got to go to the Hall of Fame with
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: a Hall of Famer. We went up there with Rhino,
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: with Ryan Sandberg. And each experience was completely different. I
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: love the Hall of Fame, but it was one of
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: those things that when you get to experience it with
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: some of your stuff in there, I'm sure it's a
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: little bit different of an experience.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Do we know what else is there from 05?
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know. They have a bunch of my stuff.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Big moments or like? They have my– they have a
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: bunch of stuff they've asked me. I gave them my
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: bat from my 2000 hit. It was when they used
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: to have lockers. I don't know if they still– I
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: haven't been there in a couple years.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember this.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Right when you walked in, they had a locker for
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: each team, and my bat was like right in the
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: middle from my 2000 hit. They asked for my scorebook
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: from the Seattle-Detroit, my scorecard that I did the game
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: for the Seattle-Detroit game 5, 15 inning game. So I
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: sent that in to them, which was just a mess.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know why you guys want this, but.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: And they offered us to come do shows once the
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: lockout happens. So I'm in. I love Cooperstown.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: What?
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's going to be a little cold in
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: December and January, but I love Cooperstown. I'm happy to
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: go there. I love checking out all the stuff. I've
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: been there many times, and I love it there. I'm
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: not going unless we can golf. I heard the golf
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: course is a lot of fun.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: In January?
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: December?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: December?
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: The golf course is fun.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Actually, I played the golf course.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: In December? At Otisaga. You can smell the hits.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Hey, the Houston Astros are interviewing the names that we
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: spoke about.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Albert Pujols is there today. Morgan Ensberg does get the call.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: We didn't hear about some of the other Cardinals people yet,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: like Descalso, John Jay, some of the other coaches. around
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: that staff, but Pujols, Ensberg, Ausmus, and Irueta, who I
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: spoke about on yesterday's show, a longtime bench coach. Those
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: are the four names we know about. And Brian McTaggart,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: with a little more context, can you put that back up, please?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: A little more context on Ensberg. He said, former college
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: teammate of Randy Flores, spent the last three seasons managing
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Triple Durham with the Rays. That holds a little bit
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: to me. There are a lot of good things to like.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: That kind of seems like, AJ, if they like the person,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: he's got the perfect storm. He fits the former Astro.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: He's probably friendly with Bagwell and company. He's with the
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Rays organization, clearly doing a good job of guys coming
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: through that triple a system right now and then he's
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: friends with the guy who just took over.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Seems like he checks a lot of boxes doesn't.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: He oh yeah i mean.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: Former astro did he go to driveline with randy forrest
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: i don't know has he been to driveline i don't
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: know the just if he hasn't he should just go
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: there for the next week and then check.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: One day one day certificate.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I think if you're coming from the Razor Brewers right now,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: you're an even hotter topic. Yes, we were joking. You
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: can't use code foul to try and get a discount there.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: But I think you might be able to. They might
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: look at you funny. But I do.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Think these are clubs that already get copied, right? Guardians, Brewers, Razor,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: you talked about this. The emphasis on copying them is
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: going to be higher right now. They just made it
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: to the World Series.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: It's a thing. You want a little bit of the
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: secret sauce.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: You see the Brewers are getting poached now. White Sox
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: just hired one of their guys to be their new
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: director of amateur scouting. So, I mean, this is what
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: happens when you win. Teams start grabbing your people.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: How does the White Sox grab two? Two guys from
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the Brewers now?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: One of the hitting coaches? New assistant hitting coach?
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: Or maybe it was a White Sox guy that went
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: to the Cardinals.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: White Sox guy went to the Cardinals.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: He went to driveline for two years. He worked at
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: driveline for two years.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: They said they don't strike out enough, so they wanted
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: to strike out more as a team.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: That's a little true. Like a team-wide strikeout goal.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Stop it.