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The Black Thread of the Nephilim | Lee Brainard · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Gary Steerman and this is Prophecy Watchers very
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Speaker 2: special guest today. His name is Lee Brainer. You're going
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Speaker 2: to enjoy hearing what he has to say. Lee, Welcome
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Speaker 2: to Prophecy Watchers. Gary.
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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to be on board with the prophecy
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Speaker 1: Watchers team again today and to be visiting with you.
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Speaker 1: And we have a lot of stuff to talk about,
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Speaker 1: oh we do.
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Speaker 2: Particularly in today's environment, there's such confusion about the Bible,
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Speaker 2: about the history of mankind, about man's spiritual destiny. It's
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Speaker 2: all in a kind of a state of confusion right now.
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Speaker 2: And I must say, in reading your books, you are
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Speaker 2: one of the people who helps clear it up. And
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Speaker 2: thanks a lot for what you do.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's been my pleasure to be a servant to
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Speaker 1: the people of God and the servant of the Lord.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's no better job on the planet be
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Speaker 1: a servant in the household of God than a king
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Speaker 1: and a castle.
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Speaker 2: Ay man, Now, I'm going to turn to Genesis three
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Speaker 2: fifteen to get the conversation started, and there is God
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Speaker 2: speaking to the serpent, very famous passage of Scripture. I
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Speaker 2: suppose if you know just very little about the Bible,
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Speaker 2: you've heard this one and God says, I'll put enemy
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Speaker 2: between thee and the woman, between thy seed and her seed.
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Speaker 2: And there's a lot more to it, and you have
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Speaker 2: definitely added to our understanding. And let's just start right there,
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Speaker 2: and let's talk about where we are in this old
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Speaker 2: world and why all the terrible things happen the way
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Speaker 2: they do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, to me, it's interesting. Let's just take the
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Speaker 1: flood for a benchmark and move from Genesis three point
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Speaker 1: fifteen to the flood and then go forwards. Okay, when
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Speaker 1: your average Christian discussion comes up on the flood, they
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Speaker 1: struggle with some things. They wonder why would God destroy
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Speaker 1: the whole of mankind and save just eight people. They
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Speaker 1: have a hard time entering into the evil of mankind,
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Speaker 1: the unbelief of mankind, the iniquity of mankind. And this
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Speaker 1: is where this is this layer here, just the human
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Speaker 1: layer of sin, the human layer of unbelief, is where
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Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the church stops with the message
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Speaker 1: of God in the Bible. And you and some others
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Speaker 1: of your generation brought out that, hey, if you don't
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Speaker 1: understand Genesis three point fifteen. In the seed war, you're
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Speaker 1: missing this important backstory that adds breadth and depth to
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Speaker 1: the message of God. So there's certain difficulties in the
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Speaker 1: Bible that now make sense. And one of the difficulties
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Speaker 1: I think that this message reconciles is when we come
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Speaker 1: to the time of the flood. God wasn't merely dealing
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Speaker 1: with man's sin in the planet. He was dealing with
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Speaker 1: angel jelick sin. He was dealing with the Nephilim or
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Speaker 1: the giants or whatever term people want.
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Speaker 2: To call them.
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Speaker 1: The whole world was defiled with human DNA that had
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Speaker 1: been tampered with and defiled with angelic DNA. And if
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Speaker 1: the Lord let this problem continue to go, we'd face
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Speaker 1: two problems. One, there wouldn't be people that could be
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Speaker 1: saved because they're all half angel And the second thing
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Speaker 1: is you'd have the Messianic line defiled. Now you can't
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Speaker 1: have the Redeemer born in undefiled bloodline. And so once
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Speaker 1: we see this Genesis three point fifteen thread, the serpent line,
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Speaker 1: the serpent seed going through mankind, and then the Messianic
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Speaker 1: line starting later and going through mankind, these two things
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Speaker 1: run parallel through human history. And now all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: God's dealings with the Amorites make sense. He's dealing with
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Speaker 1: the Nephelin problem, dealing with planet Earth. That the flood
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Speaker 1: makes sense. He's dealing with angelic sin as well as
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Speaker 1: human sin. Now, you don't have to understand the backstory
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Speaker 1: to be a faithful believer in to be saved. But
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Speaker 1: if you understand that backstory, you have a much broader
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Speaker 1: and deeper understanding of the Bible.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's very interesting, and I just want
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Speaker 2: to add this. In Matthew and Luke, you have two
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Speaker 2: genealogies that the books both open with genealogies that go
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Speaker 2: all the way back to the Garden of Eden and
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Speaker 2: come up all the way to Mary and Joseph. And
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Speaker 2: you wonder, well, why does the Bible so assiduously put
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Speaker 2: those genealogies in there? And the answer, really, I think
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Speaker 2: adds a lot to what you're saying, because you need
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Speaker 2: to know about the birth of Jesus and the fact
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Speaker 2: that it was a perfect birth. That's right. And so
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Speaker 2: I'll handle back to you because you have written so
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Speaker 2: much about this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I find it fascinating that man's history of
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Speaker 1: redemption that God has given to mankind revolves around a
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Speaker 1: single person. He's not a prophet merely, he's not a
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Speaker 1: famous man merely, he's not a wealthy man. It's the
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Speaker 1: Lord Jesus Christ, God manifest in human flesh. To me,
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Speaker 1: this is my favorite passage in the Bible. Is great
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Speaker 1: as the mystery of godliness. God was manifest in flesh,
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Speaker 1: human flesh. And so we in the garden right with
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Speaker 1: the fall, we have the promise of the seed of
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Speaker 1: the Woman, the first Messianic promise in the Bible. And
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Speaker 1: then we have the picture of blood redemption when Adam
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Speaker 1: and Eve are clothed with the lamb skins. And this
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Speaker 1: theme is developed all the way through the Old Testament,
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Speaker 1: through the through so the Torah, it's developed through the prophets,
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Speaker 1: it's developed in the historical books, comes into the New Testament,
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Speaker 1: explodes with light when all the Messianic promises are fulfilled
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Speaker 1: with the birth of Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 2: Now that's a glorious picture. Yes, Now the dark side
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Speaker 2: you have elucidated greatly. You've done a lot to explain
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Speaker 2: something that people need to know about. And I have
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Speaker 2: a phrase written down here from one of your presentations,
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Speaker 2: the Black Thread of the Nephelene. Yes, you use that
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Speaker 2: more or less as a title, but it's more than
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Speaker 2: a title.
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Speaker 1: It's definitely a picture because in the Bible, if you're
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Speaker 1: a serious student of the Bible, you can see the
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Speaker 1: red thread of redemption go from the Garden account, tracing
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Speaker 1: the Messianic development to Jesus Christ's first coming and then
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Speaker 1: his second coming and his glorious establishment of his redemption
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Speaker 1: in his kingdom at the second Coming. But we have
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Speaker 1: a parallel thread in the Bible. That's that black thread
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Speaker 1: of the nepheline that starts in Genesis three point fifteen.
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Speaker 1: It goes through Genesis chapter six, It goes through the
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Speaker 1: time of the Mosaic, in time of Moses and Joshua,
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Speaker 1: in the time of the Canaanites and the nephilm that
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Speaker 1: were in their midst, and then it comes all the
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Speaker 1: way to the end of the age, when, as our
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Speaker 1: dear friend Alim Marzuli likes to say, when we go up,
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Speaker 1: they show up. And so you've got this black thread
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Speaker 1: of the Nephelin problem running right through mankind's history unbroken
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Speaker 1: from the introduction of the Garden until that line is
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Speaker 1: crushed at the Second Coming.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's really important to remember this that
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Speaker 2: at the creation of Man, Satan stepped in and he
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Speaker 2: did not like this. He was opposed to it, and
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Speaker 2: devised a system of interjecting a seed that was not
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Speaker 2: human seed into the into the earthly uh societies.
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Speaker 1: All over the world.
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Speaker 2: You have the quote unquote mythologies that's right about the
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Speaker 2: descent of various creatures to planet Earth, and their job
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Speaker 2: was to absolutely muddle, make a mess of the whole
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Speaker 2: global situation. I assume it's because Satan thinks he can
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Speaker 2: can gain it back under it and put it under
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Speaker 2: his control once again.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, he's he's living in a vain day dream. He's
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Speaker 1: living in a in a fantasy world where he's got
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Speaker 1: maybe not high odds, but he's got reasonable odds where
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Speaker 1: he can defeat the Lord eventually on one point. All
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Speaker 1: he has to do is defeat him on one point,
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Speaker 1: and he shipwrecked the entire program of redemption, shipwrecks God's
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Speaker 1: plans for Man. Now, you'd mentioned earlier about the incarnation,
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Speaker 1: and I want to touch on this again for a moment,
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Speaker 1: because there's a parallel between the incarnation of the Antichrist
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Speaker 1: and the incarnation of the True Messiah. So we know
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Speaker 1: that Jesus is God manifest in human flesh without an
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Speaker 1: actual human relationship. The Holy Spirit of God just hovered
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Speaker 1: over Mary and we had a miraculous conception. But now
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Speaker 1: we have this conception is basically aped or fated with
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Speaker 1: the Antichrist, because when the Antichrist is in the world,
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Speaker 1: and I would not be one bit surprised if he's
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Speaker 1: actually already here on planet Earth waiting for the final
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Speaker 1: revelation of the mystery of iniquity when God removes the restrainer,
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Speaker 1: but his incarnation is Satan cohabiting with a woman from
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Speaker 1: the Serpent seed line, which is being on Earth unbroken
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Speaker 1: through the Illuminati circles from the time of Genesis six
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Speaker 1: all the way to the present day.
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Speaker 2: Now you mentioned Genesis six, and for those who may
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Speaker 2: not be familiar, Genesis six is a big marker in
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Speaker 2: the Bible because it opens with this dramatic arrival of
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Speaker 2: the false Ones, the ones who came to corrupt mankind,
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Speaker 2: and then it works its way into the great flood
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Speaker 2: of no One. I think a lot of people don't
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Speaker 2: really understand why that flood took place. It has everything
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Speaker 2: to do with this false seed has been injected into humanity.
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Speaker 1: Right absolutely. You know, we read in Genesis chapter six.
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Speaker 1: I believe it's verse nine, isn't it, where where we
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Speaker 1: have Noah was perfect in his generation.
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Speaker 2: That's very very tilling. Yes it is.
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Speaker 1: And so the word perfect here is not the word
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Speaker 1: that's typically used for moral perfection. It's the word that's
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Speaker 1: used for a perfect sacrifice with the animals without spot
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Speaker 1: or blemish. And then we have the word generations. It's plural,
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Speaker 1: it's not in the singular. So it's looking at his
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Speaker 1: lineage prior to himself and then following himself, he was
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Speaker 1: able to be used of God to bring forth the
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Speaker 1: Messianic line untainted with the serpent seed. And really, when
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Speaker 1: we look at the flood, if we don't see that
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Speaker 1: there was a tampering and a tainting of the human DNA,
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Speaker 1: and we don't see that that was a problem, we're
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Speaker 1: going to have a difficult time comprehending why God was
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Speaker 1: faced what he presents to us as an obligation to
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Speaker 1: wipe out the entirety of humanity except for Noah, his wife,
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Speaker 1: and his three sons and their wives.
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Speaker 2: Now, on that note, it has become very popular these
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Speaker 2: days to do thirty minutes one hour and a half.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's some long television programs out there on
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Speaker 2: the flood, except not from the biblical point of view.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about a megalithic and pre megalithic catastrophes of
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Speaker 2: some sort, and they are chronicled in Oriental countries, in
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Speaker 2: what became the European countries, Greco Roma. They all have
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Speaker 2: their their histories of the megalithic world and the time
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Speaker 2: when super beings came and lived among men's. So we're
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Speaker 2: not talking about something here that wasn't recognized by non believers.
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Speaker 2: Unbelievers wrote great stories about them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating to me that you have a number
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Speaker 1: of evangelicals that can say, oh, yeah, you're right. There's
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Speaker 1: dragon tales all around the world, So the Bibles talk
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Speaker 1: about dragons. We can embrace that there's flood stories all
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Speaker 1: around the world, harmonizes with the Bible. But when we
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Speaker 1: come to the Nephelim, it's like the blinders are on.
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Speaker 1: But the fact is, ancient history has just as much
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Speaker 1: material on the gods, little g gods coming down from
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Speaker 1: above and being here on earth as the kings, as
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Speaker 1: the rulers, as the leaders in scientific innovation and creating
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Speaker 1: the hybrids. And so if we're going to embrace history
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Speaker 1: in general when it talks about the flood and the
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Speaker 1: dragons and things of that nature, why not embrace it
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Speaker 1: when it talks about the Nephelim.
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Speaker 2: And the Greeks wrote about all of this. They talked
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Speaker 2: about the great cities that were built, that were destroyed
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Speaker 2: in what they call the Great Flood of Ducalion. And
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Speaker 2: that's in Greek literature. I mean, everybody reads right past
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Speaker 2: that and it's just mythology. No, it's a historical recollection
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Speaker 2: by Greek historians. They all remember that a long time
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Speaker 2: ago there was a flood. They don't know why there
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Speaker 2: was a flood. And but the thing that really intrigues
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Speaker 2: me is that we do. We know it in detail,
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Speaker 2: we understand why God had it. I suppose unfold in
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Speaker 2: along the storyline that we read in the Bible, there
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Speaker 2: was a real reason for everything that he did. Yes,
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Speaker 2: that's exactly right, and you do a lot talking about that.
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Speaker 2: By the way, I can't leave this phrase, the black
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Speaker 2: thread of the Nephelene, and that black thread, by the way,
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Speaker 2: is a historical thread.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, It's recorded in the Bible. Yes, and the thread goes.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting when we take this subject up when
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Speaker 1: we come to Daniel chapter two Versus forty three and
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Speaker 1: forty four, and it talks about the fact that as
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Speaker 1: the iron doesn't mingle with the clay, so they it's
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Speaker 1: referring to the Kings, don't mingle with the seed of men.
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Speaker 2: So this is a seed of men. I just have
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Speaker 2: to put the emphasis on that.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so that this is coming back to the concept
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Speaker 1: that there's a line of beings on this planet that
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Speaker 1: are just purely one hundred percent human being. It's the
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Speaker 1: seed of men. And then we have another line that's
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Speaker 1: mingled with the angelic and the human and these people
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Speaker 1: they state to themselves, they mingle amongst themselves, they don't
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Speaker 1: mingle with mankind. Now they'll have business relations with them,
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Speaker 1: they'll rule over them, abuse them, they'll exploit them. But
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Speaker 1: they maintain the purity of that line all the way
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Speaker 1: to the end of the Age, into the Ten Kings
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Speaker 1: and to the Antichrist.
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Speaker 2: And here we have the setting for the story. And
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Speaker 2: I use that word I can't think too loosely, it's
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Speaker 2: not a story, it's reality. It's history, the history of
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Speaker 2: what exactly is redemption and why did Jesus come and
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Speaker 2: what did he come to do? And everything that Jesus
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Speaker 2: came to do and did is based upon this story
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Speaker 2: we're talking about about the black thread of the nephilem,
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Speaker 2: the corruption of the human genome, and the need for redemption.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely that mankind, we definitely have a problem where we
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Speaker 1: need to be redeemed from the fall. We need to
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Speaker 1: be redeemed from our unbelief, We need to be deemed
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Speaker 1: from our manifestations of sin in a hundred directions. But
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Speaker 1: mankind also has a much deeper problem, which is this
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Speaker 1: tampering of the DNA with the fallen angels. And if
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Speaker 1: you redeem man from the first problem merely a sin
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Speaker 1: and unbelief, you haven't fully redeemed mankind because you'll have
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Speaker 1: a segment of human beings that still have that problem.
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Speaker 1: That problem has to be removed from mankind, and when
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Speaker 1: the Lord comes and brings his judgment at the second Coming,
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Speaker 1: we read in Isaiah chapter twenty four. I think it's
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Speaker 1: verses twenty one and twenty two that at the end
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Speaker 1: of the age, there's going to be the ten Kings,
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Speaker 1: and the ten the Kings are going to be gathered
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Speaker 1: with the Angelic realm, cast all into the Abyss, and
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Speaker 1: then they're going to be there for a season, and
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Speaker 1: then they're going to be visited together and be released
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Speaker 1: let out. We know, if we know the full breadth
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Speaker 1: of the scripture's message, that this being visited and released again.
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Speaker 1: This is talking about the Antichrist being let loose after
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Speaker 1: the thousand years, and not the Antichrist the Devil. Pardon me,
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Speaker 1: because the Antichrist is already in the Lake of Fire
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Speaker 1: along with the False Prophet. So what's interesting about this
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Speaker 1: is we have human kings here on Earth that are
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Speaker 1: associated with the Angelic realm on high and they are
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Speaker 1: put into the Abyss and then revisited and let loose.
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Speaker 2: This tells us.
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Speaker 1: That those ten Kings, at the end of this age,
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Speaker 1: they're not fully and only human being, just like the
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Speaker 1: Antichrist and False Prophet are going to be of the
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Speaker 1: Nephelim line, part angel, part human. They're going to be Nephelim.
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Speaker 1: So the ten Kings are going to be in this
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Speaker 1: Nephilim line and they're going to be dealt with by
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Speaker 1: being cast into the abyss and preserved for the thousand
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Speaker 1: years and then let loose again.
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Speaker 2: So the whole story of sin and rem that we
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Speaker 2: all hear about, you know, starting with Sunday School. That
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Speaker 2: whole story is the story of a corrupted genome and
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Speaker 2: the fact that there's no hope, and then the great
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Speaker 2: hope arrives, you know, the Son of God, the Lord
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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, and he arrives to redeem a corrupted humanity
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Speaker 2: in the way that only he could do it. And
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Speaker 2: I think people understand about Jesus and Jesus coming, and
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Speaker 2: they've heard it, even if they don't believe it. They've
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Speaker 2: heard about Jesus, yes, but they don't have the foggiest
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Speaker 2: idea of just why he came and why he had
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Speaker 2: to come in the way he did. And that's what
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Speaker 2: you're talking about, Yes, And this is why we're reading
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Speaker 2: the Book of Hebrews. That he didn't take on himself
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Speaker 2: the substance of the angels. He took on himself, the
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Speaker 2: substance of man. He took on himself, the substance of Adam. Yes,
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Speaker 2: not here to redeem the angels. What I find fascinating
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Speaker 2: is that the angels are still moral beings, but they're
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Speaker 2: wired very differently than mankind. The angels were wired in
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Speaker 2: such a way that it was easier to stay right
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Speaker 2: than to fall. Two thirds of them stayed right and
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Speaker 2: one third fell. This is why there's no redemption for
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Speaker 2: the angels. And now with mankind. What's interesting here is
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Speaker 2: we were wired in such a way that it was
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Speaker 2: impossible for us not the fall, and we have zero
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Speaker 2: hope apart from Jesus Christ and his redemption. We have
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Speaker 2: zero hope apart from the glorious message of the glorious
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Speaker 2: gospel of eternal life in Jesus Christ, merely for believing
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Speaker 2: in Jesus as the only way, the only truth, the
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Speaker 2: only life, the blood atonement for sin. And what a
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Speaker 2: blessing this is. Now, when God comes and he cleans
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Speaker 2: this world up at the Second Coming, he's not only
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Speaker 2: going to come to bring the redemption he paid for,
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Speaker 2: he's also going to remove that entire angelic element this
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Speaker 2: defiled this world, the fallen angels, the demons, and the
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Speaker 2: Nephelimic realm, and they're going to be removed from planet Earth.
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Speaker 2: And then we get to go into the glorious millennium brother,
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Speaker 2: when there is no ungodliness on planet Earth, except if
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Speaker 2: anyone has it in their own little heart. It's dealt
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Speaker 2: with with a lot of mind. We have been born again, absolutely,
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Speaker 2: and I think we need this kind of camp there
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Speaker 2: for a few minutes about being born again. People hear
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Speaker 2: about that from the time their little kids, some of
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Speaker 2: them they go to Sunday school and they hear people
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Speaker 2: say you must be born again. And it's woven through
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Speaker 2: every gospel presentation you can imagine. But to understand it
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Speaker 2: at the level that you you're addressing is something else entirely.
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Speaker 2: Why must you be born again because of the seed war?
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Speaker 2: And you detail that greatly in your presentations and in
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Speaker 2: your books, and I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. To me, it's so fascinating that a human
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Speaker 1: being can hear the truth about God, the incarnation of
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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, his death and the Cross, and that God
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Speaker 1: is here to redeem mankind and simply for believing on Jesus,
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Speaker 1: we receive the Holy Spirit. God takes his Holy Spirit,
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Speaker 1: puts it in the individual's heart, seals him for the
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Speaker 1: day of redemption. You're a purchase product, your salvation cannot
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Speaker 1: be lost. You can lose reward, but you cannot lose salvation.
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Speaker 1: And we also have the glorious promise then of going
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Speaker 1: into a world in the future, the eternal state, where
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Speaker 1: the world is not defiled by the Nephelin problem or
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Speaker 1: the fallen angels.
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Speaker 2: And it all started way back there in the garden,
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Speaker 2: and Satan came alongside the woman and said, you know,
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Speaker 2: I've got something better, and she listened to him. And
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Speaker 2: we all think of that as kind of like a
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Speaker 2: childish story that can't be actually true, ken it It
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Speaker 2: just sounds too simplistic. The truth is, there is a
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Speaker 2: great deal of complex history, very complex history behind Satan's
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Speaker 2: presentation in the garden and what it led to.
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Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, you know there's a Jewish tradition, and maybe
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Speaker 1: you've heard this that when the angels found out that
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Speaker 1: God had plans for puny mankind to bless him and
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Speaker 1: elevate him in the resurrection so that they would be
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Speaker 1: above the angels that you you had one third of
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Speaker 1: the angels were filled with rage and jealousy and anger.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we know smoke in the heart puts fire
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Speaker 1: in the heart, puts smoke in the head. You can't
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Speaker 1: think straight right, and so the angels got mad and
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Speaker 1: came down here and tried to destroy God's program with man.
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Speaker 1: Now we don't know for sure that this is exactly
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Speaker 1: how it happened, but what it represents is the efforts
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Speaker 1: of man who realize there's a pre existing problem, and
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Speaker 1: that when we don't have creation at six o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning of man and the angels are created at
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Speaker 1: six oh two, and then the problem happens at six
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Speaker 1: h four before coffee break, it just doesn't work that way.
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Speaker 1: There was a pre existing problem. Now men have some
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Speaker 1: discussions on what that problem was pre existing and how
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Speaker 1: to explain it, but you can't run away from the
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Speaker 1: fact that is a pre existing problem.
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Speaker 2: Now, people today are accustomed to the term UFO, and
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Speaker 2: people you know, I mean for the last sixty seventy years,
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Speaker 2: actually going way back to eighteen ninety eight. I've studied
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Speaker 2: about the history of UFOs and it's fascinating the way
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Speaker 2: they began to show up in the atmosphere, and we
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Speaker 2: condense their appearances down to a common term flying saucers
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Speaker 2: some UFOs. Now it's UAPs, and people say, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: those are people coming from Alpha Centauri. They're traveling all
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Speaker 2: the way to Earth and they're here to help us,
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Speaker 2: and they are a superior group of people and they
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Speaker 2: have come to help mankind. And so every time a
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Speaker 2: UFO flies over, you have a good feeling in your
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Speaker 2: heart because here they are those who have come to
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Speaker 2: help us from on high space travelers. And we live in,
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Speaker 2: by the way, in the society that has locked itself
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Speaker 2: into what's called science fiction stories written about some superior
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Speaker 2: beings interacting with man, and it always turns out that
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Speaker 2: man profits from this interaction. Good story always has kind
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Speaker 2: of a happy end of Captain Kirk and the boys,
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Speaker 2: you know on the USS Enterprise, and it all comes
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Speaker 2: out good in the end. To me, that is satanic propaganda.
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Speaker 1: It absolutely is. We see the same thing in the
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Speaker 1: Hollywood movies, you know, in the end they have the
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Speaker 1: apocalyptic movies, and there's some bad dude or some bad
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Speaker 1: dudes that are coming down here to devastate Earth, and
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Speaker 1: then the good guys show up and help mankind get delivered.
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Speaker 1: This has flip the script, hasn't it. It's preparing the
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Speaker 1: world to believe that God is the bad guy and
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Speaker 1: the Antichrist is the good guy.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, the Bible speaks of an era
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Speaker 2: in which people believe.
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Speaker 1: That absolutely, so I'm just so thankful the Lord Is
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Speaker 1: has illuminated your mind, illuminated my mind, given the believers
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Speaker 1: the understanding of what's really going on in this world,
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Speaker 1: and that we're not going to be susceptible to these
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Speaker 1: the propaganda, to the lies and too the silly stories
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Speaker 1: that if you someday, folks, let's just assume that you're
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Speaker 1: not born again, you're just listening to this, you're thinking
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Speaker 1: about this stuff. If someday in the near future, every
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Speaker 1: born again Christian on the planet vanishes, you can bank
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Speaker 1: on it. The UFOs did not come and take them.
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Speaker 1: They went up to be with the Lord Jesus. And
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Speaker 1: when whoever's telling you that this was space aliens from
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Speaker 1: another planet, do not listen to anything they say. Go
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Speaker 1: get yourself a copy of the Bible, a literal translation
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Speaker 1: in particular, if you can find it and start reading it,
27:53
Speaker 1: read the New Testament through a few times. Then go
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Speaker 1: to the Old Testament and read through it, and you
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Speaker 1: will find the truth in the written word of God.
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Speaker 2: You know, I almost hate to bring this next topic up,
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Speaker 2: but I have to hear your reaction to it, and
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Speaker 2: that is that we read about the first fall of
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Speaker 2: the Angel's Book of Enoch. They come down upon Mount Hermon,
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Speaker 2: and they do a lot of things, but the one
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Speaker 2: thing they do that's really interesting to me is they
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Speaker 2: bring technology to man. Yes, the methods of working iron
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Speaker 2: and metals and paints and building projects that the man
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Speaker 2: just didn't know how to do before the fallen ones
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Speaker 2: came to live, and so they were addressed by the
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Speaker 2: people of those ears as saviors. The fallen angels were
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Speaker 2: and by the way, in a lot of the world,
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Speaker 2: those fallen angels are still worshiped as gods absolutely who
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Speaker 2: came to benefit man, which is, you know, just nothing
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Speaker 2: but satanic propaganda. However, and here's what I wanted to
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Speaker 2: talk to you about. I think that since the UFO
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Speaker 2: occurrences UFO, I'm using that term loosely. The UFOs began
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Speaker 2: to appear a few decades ago. We all hear stories
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Speaker 2: about major corporations getting holds of parts and pieces of
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Speaker 2: crash UFOs and reverse engineering and coming up with a
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Speaker 2: high technology. And I'm thinking, of myself, that's exactly what
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Speaker 2: the Book of Enoch and the Bible say that the
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Speaker 2: fallen ones bring technology to man. So this is part
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Speaker 2: two that we're living right now.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, the ancient history, whether Greek history, are in mythology,
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Speaker 1: are Roman history mythology, Sumerian, Babylonian, it's all the same.
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Speaker 1: They have the tales of the gods coming down to man.
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Speaker 1: They were the god kings. They gave man technology, they
29:58
Speaker 1: gave man science, taught man the art of war, they
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Speaker 1: taught man the art of economic exploitation, they taught them
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Speaker 1: empire building. I mean, you start tracing this back, it
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Speaker 1: goes all the way back to Babel, it goes all
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Speaker 1: the way back to Nimrod, and then you can take
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Speaker 1: it farther back than that. And this ought to leave
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Speaker 1: the Bible believing Christian with some element of distrust for
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Speaker 1: the good intentions of the mighty powers in the world
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Speaker 1: who try to dominate us and direct us politically, economically,
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Speaker 1: and scientifically. Now we're not saying there's anything wrong at
30:39
Speaker 1: all with human government as an institution. We're not saying
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Speaker 1: there's anything wrong at all with science as an institution.
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Speaker 1: But all of these are easily regularly and consistently abused
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Speaker 1: and exploited by the underworld by the angelic realm, the
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Speaker 1: nephelimic realm, and the demonic realm to exploit mankind and
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Speaker 1: lead him out of the paths of God's blessing and
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Speaker 1: into the paths that are in the direction of the
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Speaker 1: coming anti Christ kingdom.
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Speaker 2: And so the corruption of man's genome. The Bible speaks
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Speaker 2: of Seed back in the days just after the Garden
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Speaker 2: of Eden. This, at least Satan's plan was to remodel
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Speaker 2: humanity in such a way that he could be controlled,
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Speaker 2: I suppose, and live in the way that Satan decreed,
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Speaker 2: which would be all good for him. In other words,
31:38
Speaker 2: he wants to control the world, and better to do
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Speaker 2: it than to corrupt the beings that are on planet
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Speaker 2: Earth and then have them worship you instead of their creator.
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Speaker 2: So this was all a giant Satanic plot from the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and they've had several runs at it. They've failed
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Speaker 1: every time, and we're going to see another run at
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Speaker 1: it again in the last Days. The Antichrist, if we
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Speaker 1: understand who he really is, as we mentioned earlier, is
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Speaker 1: going to be the incarnation of a cohabitation between Satan
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Speaker 1: himself and a woman from the Nephelimic line, the seed
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Speaker 1: of the Serpent line. Absolutely, and this is going to
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Speaker 1: lead the world to worship as God someone who's not eternal, infinite, omnipotent,
32:29
Speaker 1: omniscient God. It's going to be a person who's half
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Speaker 1: human and half angel, or maybe even more angel and
32:39
Speaker 1: less human. But this is going to be a problem.
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Speaker 1: This is the created beings worshiping created beings for economic
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Speaker 1: privileges down here on earth, for political privileges, down here
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Speaker 1: on earth, for the pleasures of sin for a season,
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Speaker 1: completely overthrowing God's purpose for man kind, which is to enjoy,
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Speaker 1: worship and serve God himself.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're called the principalities and powers, rulers of
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Speaker 2: darkness in heavenly places. It takes me back to when
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Speaker 2: I was a child and I and my brothers and
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Speaker 2: sisters used to say to our parents, are angels real?
33:25
Speaker 2: And my father would say, oh, yes, they're real. Well,
33:29
Speaker 2: why can't we see them? Well, they don't make themselves known,
33:33
Speaker 2: but they're there. Well, how do we know they're there? Well,
33:36
Speaker 2: because the Bible tells us that they're there. Well what
33:38
Speaker 2: are they doing? And this would begin. Of course, children
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Speaker 2: can't understand things like that. But I remember children asking
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Speaker 2: about the presence of it. Are the angels still here?
33:49
Speaker 2: The fact is, this is the very topic we're talking
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Speaker 2: about right now, because the angel there is still warfare
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Speaker 2: going on, absolutely in a dimension we can't really see
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Speaker 2: all that well. And there is a good faction and
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Speaker 2: there is an evil faction, and we're right in the
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Speaker 2: middle of a war. And on that platform, what a thought.
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Speaker 2: We have the Lord Jesus Christ who can save us
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Speaker 2: and take us to be with him, pull us out
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Speaker 2: of this war zone, if you will. And as you're talking,
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Speaker 2: that's what I was thinking about.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Well, what's interesting is if people once understand the
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Speaker 1: tribulation how bad it's going to be, they're not going
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Speaker 1: to be looking for some form of eschatology teaching that
34:39
Speaker 1: keeps them in the tribulation. They're going to be desperately
34:42
Speaker 1: looking for something to get them out.
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Speaker 2: Of the tribulation yet right, absolutely, But the fact is.
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Speaker 1: The tribulation is going to feature the greatest demonstration of
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Speaker 1: supernatural power in the history of mankind. You're going to
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Speaker 1: have the deepest, blackest, darkest saint lies and deception that's
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Speaker 1: ever been presented on Earth, with the greatest display of
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Speaker 1: Satanic miracles ever displayed on earth, and at the same
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Speaker 1: time it's going to be counteracted by the greatest display
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Speaker 1: of divine miracles wrought through the Two Witnesses, wrought through
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Speaker 1: the baptized in the Holy Spirit Jewish believers. And it's
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Speaker 1: going to be going on at the same time, so
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Speaker 1: that all the miracles of the Apostles and the Pentecostal miracles,
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Speaker 1: with Jesus miracles, and with the miracles of the Old
35:32
Speaker 1: Testament going on. It's going to be a mighty battle.
35:35
Speaker 1: And this battle is going to be going after the
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Speaker 1: hearts of men. Will they follow the blackness and evil
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Speaker 1: of the Antichrist or will they follow the blessings and
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Speaker 1: the light in the truth of the True Christ. And folks,
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Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about this time. Sometimes people
35:49
Speaker 1: worry about, well, what if someone accidentally takes the mark
35:52
Speaker 1: of the beast. The mark of the beast is no
35:55
Speaker 1: one is ever going to accidentally take the mark of
35:57
Speaker 1: the beast. That will be a public intentional owning of
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Speaker 1: the Antichrist in rejection of Jesus and Nazareth.
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Speaker 2: And during that terrible period known as the Great Tribulation,
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Speaker 2: I think everything all the rules that we now operate
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Speaker 2: by in shall we say, polite society will be gone.
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Speaker 2: That's right. It's going to be chaos under the dictatorship
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Speaker 2: of one man who is divinely empowered and who presents
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Speaker 2: himself as God. And in that situation, and by the way,
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to be there, and neither is Lee,
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Speaker 2: because we're going to be born aloft by the Lord
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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ in the rapture of the Church. I just
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Speaker 2: want to say that once.
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Speaker 1: And for all.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of there's a lot of controversy about
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Speaker 2: that concept. Today.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to be watching the tribulation on big
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Speaker 1: screen TV. Well, we're drinking our heaven Bucks coffee, but
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Speaker 1: we will also be in prayer for those that are
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Speaker 1: down here on earth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the degree to which we'll be able to
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Speaker 2: view what's going on, I don't know. Personally. I want
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Speaker 2: to see how the Lord actually solves the problem, so
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Speaker 2: on the biggest screen television that you're talking about. But
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Speaker 2: what we're really talking about here is a big picture
37:27
Speaker 2: creation of man, Adam and Eve. Why did God create
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Speaker 2: Adam and Eve? For what purpose?
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Speaker 1: So that he would have beings who would worship, serve,
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Speaker 1: and appreciate Him for all of eternity. It's all about God.
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Speaker 2: And to that end, they were created and Satan, who
37:50
Speaker 2: apparently wielded some power and authority that was able to
37:56
Speaker 2: come into their setting and corrupt it and prepare the
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Speaker 2: for beings who were His beings. We call them fallen angels,
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Speaker 2: and the whole Old Testament is the story of how
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Speaker 2: these false fallen angels integrated their own lies into the
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Speaker 2: human both the human genome and the human history.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, and so this is really a good place
38:23
Speaker 1: to kind of wrap this up, coming right back to
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Speaker 1: where we started. That we have this problem with the
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Speaker 1: Nephelim line introduced in Genesis three point fifteen in its theory,
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Speaker 1: introduced in reality in Genesis chapter six, appears again after
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Speaker 1: the flood in the times of Moses and Joshua as
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Speaker 1: an explosive, destructive problem, and the Lord is brought to
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Speaker 1: his wits end, so to speak, to deal with this,
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Speaker 1: and he has to wait until the iniquity of the
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Speaker 1: Amrites is full. He lets Israel come into land Canaan,
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Speaker 1: and then they are required to slay everyone in the
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Speaker 1: land of Canaan. And some of these fled. This is
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Speaker 1: a story for another day, but make a great podcast
39:12
Speaker 1: sometime about where the Nephelin went when they fled the
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Speaker 1: land of Canaan. We read in some of the ancient
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Speaker 1: Jewish literature that they went west across the Great Ocean.
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Speaker 1: They ended up in South America and North America. That's
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Speaker 1: all the megalithic culture that you see there. But God
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Speaker 1: had to deal with this problem, and he did deal
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Speaker 1: with it, and it's going to have a future incursion.
39:33
Speaker 1: In fact, in some ways it's already here, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: It is indeed, and in fact those giants where the
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Speaker 2: Bible says there were giants in the Earth in those
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Speaker 2: days and also after that, that's exactly right now we
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Speaker 2: live in the after that, yeah, portion of that history,
39:52
Speaker 2: and the giants, the spirits, shall we say, of the
39:58
Speaker 2: giants still own planet Earth, and they still corrupt humanity,
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Speaker 2: and they still have a power of sorts, and that
40:08
Speaker 2: we don't fully understand all of the levels of the
40:11
Speaker 2: fallen angel power, but we do know that they are present.
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Speaker 2: The Bible speaks volumes about what they try to do,
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Speaker 2: how they try to corrupt human society. But we have
40:23
Speaker 2: to remember going back and by the way, you've written
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Speaker 2: about this so well, it's all about the seed. You
40:30
Speaker 2: and I have both done presentations on that. Yeah, and
40:34
Speaker 2: we believe that if you understand that, you understand salvation
40:42
Speaker 2: in its completion to the utmost.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, if you miss the backstory, you're missing the setting
40:51
Speaker 1: in which the entire redemption of mankind took place.
40:54
Speaker 2: Yes, and it is well to use a phrase that's
40:59
Speaker 2: already been this is the greatest story ever told. Yes,
41:02
Speaker 2: that's exactly right, Lee. I really appreciate what you're doing,
41:07
Speaker 2: and have your books again mention I want you to
41:13
Speaker 2: mention the fact that you've got a couple of books
41:15
Speaker 2: that are worth reading. Shall I say yes?
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Speaker 1: So the two books that have been selling the best
41:21
Speaker 1: are my books on the rapture. So I have ten
41:24
Speaker 1: potent proofs for a pre tribulation rapture, which many have
41:28
Speaker 1: told me that is such a helpful book. It's helped
41:31
Speaker 1: them become convinced of the pre tribulation rapture when they
41:35
Speaker 1: were on the fence. I've had people tell me that
41:37
Speaker 1: they were post trip or pre wrap until they read
41:39
Speaker 1: the book and they said, wow, there's some really some
41:42
Speaker 1: solid arguments for pre trib My second book is a
41:46
Speaker 1: recent pre trib findings and early Church Fathers. We often
41:51
Speaker 1: face this accusation, Oh, nobody taught the rapture prior to
41:54
Speaker 1: Jan Darby in eighteen thirty, and no early church father
41:57
Speaker 1: taught a pre trib rapture. And I bring out some
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Speaker 1: indisputable pre tribulation rapture passages from the Didikey, from Ironas,
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Speaker 1: from Ephriem the Syrian, and from Eusebius. A lot of
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Speaker 1: people didn't even know that Eusebius was pre trib until
42:14
Speaker 1: I discovered rapture passages in his untranslated Greek writings that
42:18
Speaker 1: had never been translated into English. And I also have
42:22
Speaker 1: my favorite book is actually The New Heavens and the
42:25
Speaker 1: New Earth. To me, that's an absolutely fascinating subject. Does
42:30
Speaker 1: the New Heavens and the New Earth come after the
42:32
Speaker 1: thousand years or before the thousand years? Is the New
42:35
Speaker 1: Heavens and the New Earth a refurbishment of the current
42:38
Speaker 1: Earth and heavens, or is it and the annihilation and
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Speaker 1: a second recreation? Well, if you want to hear my
42:45
Speaker 1: take on this, go ahead and buy my book.
42:49
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'd recommend that his books are
42:51
Speaker 2: very well written and they're not like over your head there,
42:55
Speaker 2: they'll kind of pull you along. I think good writing
42:58
Speaker 2: has to be one of its elements, has to be
43:03
Speaker 2: the element of drama, kind of pulling you into what's
43:07
Speaker 2: being said so that you won't get bored. And you
43:10
Speaker 2: have that ability to write in a way that pulls
43:13
Speaker 2: you along page after page. And I appreciate what you've
43:17
Speaker 2: done well.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, and I've greatly appreciated your ministry over
43:22
Speaker 1: the years. You've been a tremendous blessing to a couple
43:25
Speaker 1: generations of believers who love the Lord Jesus and are
43:29
Speaker 1: looking forwards to his coming.
43:30
Speaker 2: Amen. May the Lord bless you and your work. We
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Speaker 2: bring it. I'm Gary Steerman. You have a great day
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Speaker 2: in the Lord