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Always | Full Movie Review / Ep. 97 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Tehbak Here rambles where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas. Accept today.
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  Today we are not going to be reviewing AK drama.
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  We are going to be reviewing a little bit of Korean cinema, a
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  little nugget that I like to call always from 2011.
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  And for this episode, I don't have just one guest.
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  I don't have just two guests. I have 4 guests with me today.
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  I have the certified Nunez, all four of them, Jesse, Natalia,
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  Amanda and Sky. Would you guys like to introduce
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  yourselves really fast? Certainly or the certified
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  Nunes. We've been podcasting about K
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  dramas and Asian dramas for a really long time.
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  I'm Natalia. I live in Canada.
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  And yeah, oh, wait. So before this we were told that
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  we should take something we either, well, we've just been
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  watching or something that we recommend.
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  And since mostly what I've just been watching are vertical
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  dramas, and I cannot in good conscience recommend those to
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  any anybody on this earth, I have also been watching the
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  Japanese drama 10 Things to Do Before 40.
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  And it is chef's kiss delightful.
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  It is so sweet and lovely and I love it.
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  It's wonderful. Beautiful old man.
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  Yeah, we at its best. I'm.
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  I'm so excited for. Keep watching it here.
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  It's good. Very nice.
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  Perfect. Hi, I'm Jesse.
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  I am on socials at wine and AK drama.
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  There's not much to talk about me, but I will say for my what
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  I've been watching my my current watch is a little weird right
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  now and you'll know why on a future episode.
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  My like I've been watching Kamen Rider Dano.
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  So Japanese man. I'm Amanda.
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  I'm also Canadian with with Natalia.
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  Yeah. And I have been watching The
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  Winning Try, which is Korean sports drama.
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  Then anybody who knows me knows that's kind of my jam.
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  Is it rugby right? It is, it's rugby, Rugby sevens,
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  They don't really say that, but it's rugby sevens 'cause there's
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  only seven people on the team so.
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  On a scale of 1 to 10, how big are their thighs?
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  This would directly impact if I watch.
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  This show not very like if if you watch the the rugby on
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  Netflix, there's a rugby like Korean rugby series right now
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  that's like a reality series about rugby teams.
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  The thighs on that much larger large.
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  Very large, but the actor thighs of not actual rugby, yeah, no.
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  Not I mean, it's not bad, it's just.
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  That's troublesome for me because.
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  Well, I don't know. I don't know.
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  I gotta be honest, there's not like the first two episodes in,
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  not a lot of rugby's been played.
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  So like, yeah, it's, it's a lot more.
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  It's more like a high. School sports.
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  It's more like a high school drama about the teachers and all
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  the like politics that's going on between these different teams
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  trying to like, get the most money and stuff.
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  So they're OK. Yeah.
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  So we haven't. Seen there might be lots of
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  matches in the future. Though exactly.
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  Hopefully so. OK.
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  Well, I'm Sky. I am in America with Jesse.
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  As far as what I what I was watching last night was, why
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  didn't I tell you a million times?
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  I am pretty much bitching that if I didn't have to sleep, I
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  would have still been watching that.
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  Oh. Perfect.
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  It is thematic in case you delete.
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  Yeah, you will see why. Yeah, you'll see.
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  You'll fire coming. Episode.
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  You'll figure it out. For anyone who also listens to
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  us, I think by the time this comes out, you'll have already
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  found out why. OK, thank you so much for
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  enjoying yourself. Making it so cryptic.
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  Yeah, for those who have already listened to last year's spooky
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  season episode, Jesse and Natalia so graciously came on
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  and reviewed the host with me. That was a lot of fun.
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  But this time around, we have all four certified nunas here to
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  talk about a little melodrama. A small little romance
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  melodrama. I have crazy eyes right now, but
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  we'll we'll get into it. If this is your first time
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  All right, so non spoiler section for always begins with
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  the IMDb synopsis which reads. Chang Tolman is a former boxer
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  who finds work as a parking space attendant.
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  His life turns upside down when he meets Tong Hua, a blind girl,
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  and they begin to fall in love. That's that's pretty much it.
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  That's. That's it.
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  That's all most most of the basic stuff there, yeah.
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  Yeah, A to B to C released October 6th, 2011, and it
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  premiered at the Pusan International Film Festival that
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  year. Wide release was October 20th,
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  that same month, which I thought was very quick.
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  But it's within Korea, so they didn't have to sell it, I guess
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  maybe it's one hour and 48 minutes long.
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  God bless. And it is directed by Song
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  Illinois Gong. He's directed other things like
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  Spider Forest, Flower Island, Forest of Time.
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  Sorry. Thanks.
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  Dance of Time. Yeah.
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  Have you guys heard of this director, this auteur who has
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  basically gone underground and has not done another film since
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  the early twenty 10s? The only other one that I'd
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  heard of of his I to be. To be fair, I watch more dramas
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  than I do movies just in general, but the only one I was
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  Forest of Time I had heard of but otherwise like not super
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  familiar with his A work. Yeah, same, same.
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  I thought that was a little like, oh, I thought he would
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  have done something else by now, but he hasn't.
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  He also Co wrote this movie alongside ROH Hongjin and
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  Yuyonga and Angie son. The only screenwriter who has an
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  actual career like besides this movie and some of the earlier
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  works from them is Yuyonga who has done a shit ton of movies
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  including Miracle in cell number seven, My Paparotti, Steal my
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  Heart, Royal Taylor, My Annoying Brother because I Love you on
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  your Wedding Day, Kim Deyoung born 1982 our season dog days,
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  most recently in 2024. She also has a robust TV career.
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  She wrote Bella me entertainer encounter, also 39.
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  Divorce attorney Shin and Waiting for Kyong Do, which is
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  coming out this year, 20. 20 bangers, a lot of bangers coming
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  out of her, like yeah. Yeah, right.
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  Pretty great. Queen, we see you.
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  I see you, I see you, you're doing something, you're cooking.
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  So this movie stars Hoji sub as told me.
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  Isn't it all your? Giggles I'm also like turning
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  beet red. And Han Hyoju hit plays his Co
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  star Tong Hua, the blind girl. These are two heavy hitters in
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  the holly world. What is your experience with
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  Hoji Saban, Han Hyoju? I guess we have to start.
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  With start with. The wizard.
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  So I, I just think he's neat, you know?
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  Really just like reduce it down to that.
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  I just really, I just mom, I just like him like I don't, I
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  have nothing. I can't say anything.
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  I just, he was like 1 of like the first Korean actors when I
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  started watching dramas and I was like, yes.
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  I get it. I get it completely.
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  I just think he's wonderful and the I think the first drama I
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  watched him in was Ghost, which I really, really, really, really
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  liked. And that was very early on.
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  And I just even even when he's in a show that's like not that
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  great, he's still great in it. I agree, he's never like the
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  problem. No, you're not.
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  You're not like even like OK, 'cause.
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  Like listen. The Master Son is a real
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  classic, but it is not like a great show.
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  But he's just so audacious in it that you're just like, like.
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  Him saying get lost, he's like, no, seared in my brain, Yeah.
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  So, you know, it's I just like him.
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  I. Understand I can't.
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  Just I don't need to. I don't need to judge him by
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  myself. To these people, no.
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  Yeah, how how does everybody else feel about Toji Saab?
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  I I like him. I'm not like a super fan, but
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  like I'm also not I'm not a fan, you know, it's it's fine.
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  I think Terius. Is like.
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  My favorite of his dramas 'cause he's so cute and the kids are so
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  cute in it. It's just a lot of fun.
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  I learned what the plot of My Secretarius was just last year
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  and I was like oh shit I think I missed a banger.
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  Because yeah, you might have I. Saw like the promo and stuff,
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  which it made it look really kind of serious and I was like,
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  I don't know, that's not what I wanted.
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  And then OK, double double shout out because Caitlin from no
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  sleeper dramas was like no, no, no, it's this and explain the
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  plot. And I was like oh shit, this
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  sounds like I would totally love it.
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  So I yeah, it's a lot of fun and I like we definitely most of us
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  were watching it when it was airing too.
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  It was just like a lot of time it's just because it has a
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  little bit of the serious spy stuff, but then the row in the
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  kids and the kids just like make it.
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  And then like the goofy mother of a group plus one stay at home
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  dad. Delightful, Just delightful.
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  You should. Definitely pick it up.
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  Yeah, you should. You should, yeah.
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  Yeah, I will let you guys know. I'll be like it's day one I'm
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  starting. Like, hey guys, I I started
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  watching it. You right, You right.
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  Yeah, I think the first, my first with him was Master Son.
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  And like Natalia said, like he just, he sells it, it's fine,
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  you know, like even though you walk away from it and you're
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  like. It's a hung sister.
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  In the moment, you're enjoying it.
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  It's a good time. Yeah, it was scarier than I
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  thought it was going to be, like at the very beginning.
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  So I started watching it late at night in the dark and I went no,
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  okay, I'll watch this tomorrow during the daylight.
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  I and then I really I don't love a fat suit, but I really enjoyed
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  Omo Venus like I love the found family there, you know, like
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  we're living with the the guys. It's it's a good time, like it's
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  a good time. Sunghoon Henry.
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  Like it's it's. Fun.
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  Right. So, and then yeah, Terry's I,
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  which I just realized when I was looking at this, I never watched
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  the end. Like I'm, I think I'm like 3 or
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  4 episodes from the end and I, I think I lost whatever the
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  streaming service was that it was on.
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  And then I kept thinking I'd go back to it or.
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  Something. I think it dropped off of 1 like
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  it was on something and then it left that platform and I hadn't
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  got around to finishing it yet. And then it popped back up
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  somewhere else and it was like, oh, I need to finish that and I
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  just never did. So I should go back and rewatch
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  it. It was good.
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  So everyone's pretty much covered the ones that I've seen.
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  I do want to give a shout out to Alienoid.
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  Yes. Oh yeah.
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  He was. Fun in that.
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  Movie like as far as so anyway, I really liked him in that, but
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  the first one I saw him in was Master's Son.
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  The second one that I like really, really enjoyed him in a
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  lot was Oh my Venus. I did have fun with that one
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  because I like Jim Crudd. That's kind of my thing.
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  And the Terrius was cute. It was darn cute.
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  I would love to see him in more. I have not pressed play on Mercy
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  for None but get me on the right mood day.
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  I just haven't. Had the time this.
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  You haven't had the time. Time yet, but.
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  And I was tempted by doctor lawyer.
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  I just, I really had not have time for doctor lawyer.
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  That's a whole different. Level of time.
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  That would, Yeah. You know what's really funny?
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  I'm just like reminding about this very early on in me
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  following Sky on social media, Like this is before we started
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  the podcast. Like one of the first things
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  that I remember, she gave me a list of dramas to watch and Oh,
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  My Venus was one of those. It's a story.
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  I was like so long ago. I was, I was really enjoying
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  that one at the time like that. Would be so cute and like I was
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  like I don't know about this. I don't really like the pat suit
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  or I like discussions and she's like it felt like a non might be
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  OK it. Was like a non mean spirited.
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  I hate a fat suit. OK, Yeah, yeah, I.
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  Agree. Best possible fat suit situation
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  you could have. For a for sure, it was done with
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  the best of intentions, with a lot of heart.
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  Yeah, and I don't remember his character 'cause he was the
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  trainer. I don't remember him ever being
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  kind of like he was never, you know, weird or anything like.
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  That it was like the best case scenario and I was like, you
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  know what? If they're gonna do it like this
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  is the way that they should do it.
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  I was like never felt. Like he was like pushing on her
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  to lose weight. He was pushing on her to get
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  healthy, yes. And to get like, fit.
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  Like I want you to exercise with me.
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  Well, essentially since since the character I did like a near
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  death experience essentially. And he's like, OK, we're not
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  going to do that. So let's let's let's not.
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  Yeah. So I freaking adore Sochi sub
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  and I basically said as much because we on the Tabakvi just
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  covered I'm sorry, I love you, which is, you know, a 20 year
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  old drama that he made him, made him famous.
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  It's one of like his breakout roles that one and something
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  happened in Bali, those two melodramas that came out in the
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  very same year. So I don't know what the hell he
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  was smoking, but I consider him like the Melodramas King.
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  He is so, so good at playing this kind of character and with
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  the sad eye. The most beaten puppy situation
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  it's. So good I eat it right the fuck
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  up. And I've loved Soji sub for a
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  very long time. I was gifted A2 year calendar of
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  Soji sub and so and I have like evidence of this.
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  I still have this photo of the calendar and and I used that
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  chip for two years like on ironically fucking love that
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  calendar and it was a sad day when I had to throw it away
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  because the years were up. But Soji sub, I'm like, he's
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  like my number one, like OPA for many years now.
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  And the fact that I think a lot of people are discovering him
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  with mercy for none is kind of like simultaneously great but
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  also like a gut punch because he's been that guy for the
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  longest time. That that would be like
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  discovering that someone like I just.
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  I saw this new actor, Keanu Reeves from.
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  It's exactly be like girl, yeah, girl, you're.
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  So close. It's like, I'm happy you're
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  here, but like. Happy for you.
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  Yeah, honestly, that's how it feels with Sodisa Love right
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  now. He has been famous for a long
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  time, but also he's kind of a recluse.
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  He's a little bit reclusive and he, when he's not working, like
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  you don't hear from him at all, which is fantastic.
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  That's how it should be. I don't want to hear from you
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  unless you have something to follow.
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  Like literally like family and his and his minion collection.
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  Like that's all he needs. Like it's fine.
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  Him and his SPF like it is what it is.
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  Hein Heuju on the other hand, I love her too.
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  Love her so much. What do you guys have to say
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  about honey or Jew? I mean, she's in one of my
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  favorite dramas of all time, Happiness.
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  Jessie and I share a favorite drama, which is happiness and
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  yeah, it's. She's so good in it and she's so
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  good in every role that I've ever seen her in.
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  And I haven't seen her in a like a super mount, but like every
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  time I see her, I'm like, it's like I almost forget who she is
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  because she's so good at just adapting to a different
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  character. And then I'm like, oh, wait,
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  that's, you know, her. Like, what are you doing here?
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  Yeah, real. Bangers after bangers.
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  Yeah, I want to offer like the trilogy of hers of Happiness
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  Moving and Blood free. Yes, because just.
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  That's a great lineup for her. Like the crazy, like the
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  craziness kept going. It was just like, oh, you're
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  just picking. Up in the.
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  All winners. Yeah, she was like doubling down
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  such different characters in each one, Like just.
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  She also doesn't age like what is she doing?
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  No, I don't like she just constantly says the same age and
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  I'm like like what? What?
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  Yeah, I think she's 37 now. Like late 30s now. 3838, yeah.
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  Natalia and eight, but yeah, yeah, no, she's she's
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  incredible. She's incredible.
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  And every time I see that she's in something, I'm like, oh, I'm
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  about to have a good time. Yeah, Speaking of good time,
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  good times may or may not have been had we watched always This
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  movie, as I said at the top, it's a melodrama, it's a
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  tearjerker. It's 2011, it's of a time, and I
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  would love to know what you guys thought about always.
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  Had you seen it before? Was this a rewatch?
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  Please share with the. Clouds, I wanted to ask first,
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  like is, is it, is it a rewatch for you?
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  OK, so I'll go first. I'll start this up.
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  So this is a rewatch for me. I had seen it, I don't know, 10
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  years ago maybe one time and it completely wrecked me.
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  I was like Oh my God, this is so sad.
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  I was in a puddle of tears sobbing.
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  It was fantastic. Since then, if someone's like I
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  want to watch a sad movie or you recommend me AK movie, I'm like,
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  watch yourself, bring a box of tissues.
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  Always, always from 2011, watch that movie.
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  And great thing that it's actually really accessible in
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  the States. It's on Amazon Prime and it's
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  been on Amazon Prime for a really long time.
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  So it's very accessible, more accessible than other Korean
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  cinema. It's also on Toby, so it's.
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  It's a Toby, which I love. Toby A+ plus.
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  Toby like every time I get like, I'm like, oh man, like they
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  pulled this thing. I'm like, I should just say, and
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  it's like 9 times out of 10, it's like it's on Tubi.
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  It's on Tubi, Yeah, don't worry about.
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  It I love Tubi like it's so great.
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  They are hustling so hard. It's fantastic.
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  There's so many things on Tubi. If you have not checked out
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  Tubi, highly recommend going and checking out that platform.
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  Not sponsored, not sponsored, sponsored Tubi.
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  Anyways, this movie on the rewatch.
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  I was like, Yep, it's still really sad.
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  I didn't cry this time because I obviously knew it was coming but
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  I was like oh this is so so cheesy and cliche.
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  I fucking love it. Like I was still like, this is
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  so great, what is there not to love?
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  I love their performances. I loved the coincidence that
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  happened. Like the reveal of like the
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  intertwining of them in the past and their love story is just so
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  sweet. Yeah sorry Sumi.
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  Yeah I looked up letterbox reviews when I went to log it.
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  I. Saw.
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  Oh, no, there's really gonna be no.
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  Listen, they're not my drama list, so.
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  I logs up to my drama list comment section.
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  For those who don't know, Letterbox is like a social media
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  platform for movie lovers but I use it as a documentation system
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  to. I watch this on this day, I
• 20:54
  rewatched this on this day, yada yada.
• 20:56
  And I, I review things myself. The name of the game for
• 21:00
  letterbox reviews. The wittier the better, the
• 21:03
  funnier the better. And these reviews were killing
• 21:08
  me because they were pointing out the things that I already
• 21:12
  knew. This is a three star review.
• 21:15
  I only have two reviews saved by the way.
• 21:16
  I'm not going to sit here and read like 50 letterbox reviews
• 21:18
  but this one says 3 stars. I mean, the first half is very
• 21:23
  cute and perfectly fine for a sweet romantic K drama, but
• 21:26
  unfortunately the second-half gets too melodramatic and
• 21:30
  convenient. What does convenient mean in
• 21:34
  those comments? I love your face.
• 21:38
  I'll come, I'll finish the the thought that this person's had
• 21:41
  this person said, I mean, let me just say that yes, I have a
• 21:44
  personal problem with stories that are too cheesy and
• 21:47
  melodramatic. But this one, oh boy, it gets to
• 21:49
  a whole new level of dramatic. And I was like, yeah, man,
• 21:54
  that's the fucking. Point of the whole thing you're.
• 21:56
  Like, OK, that's the, that's the genre.
• 21:59
  Literally the genre. Yeah.
• 22:03
  But but also what is convenient, I still want to know like what
• 22:05
  they mean? Like what's Cadian?
• 22:07
  I guess they thought that the very the intertwining that I
• 22:12
  mentioned, which is the spoiler to say what exactly what it is,
• 22:15
  but the way that they are connected in the past, they
• 22:18
  thought it was convenient that they I guess were even.
• 22:21
  Connected almost like every single one of these types.
• 22:24
  Of every K drama. Ever like.
• 22:28
  It's like, listen, we're talking Korean.
• 22:30
  Like we're I'm amazed they didn't know each other as kids.
• 22:33
  Like what? Are we convenient?
• 22:36
  Come on now, I was like, you should be happy that they
• 22:38
  weren't more conveniently typed together.
• 22:42
  Right. So this other person says it, no
• 22:46
  stars, they just put a review. So I was like OK, be be fresh,
• 22:50
  be more fresh than that. They said the first half was
• 22:53
  extremely good. The development of Hanyoju and
• 22:57
  Soji sub's characters was handled very well.
• 22:59
  It was heartwarming. But once they passed that
• 23:02
  period, it became kind of dull and predictable people.
• 23:07
  Don't like the sad? I listen.
• 23:09
  Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
• 23:11
  I need to start out. I'm going to compliment sandwich
• 23:14
  thing that everyone's entitled to their opinion, but sometimes
• 23:18
  people have opinions about things not realizing that.
• 23:22
  Like that's the point. That's the point that that.
• 23:26
  When you're watching a movie like this, like some like
• 23:29
  surprise twists, that's that's a thriller thing.
• 23:32
  This ain't no thriller it. Felt so like Nolan bro trying to
• 23:37
  watch a very typical but beautiful melodramatic Korean
• 23:44
  story and they're like why is it so?
• 23:48
  Formulated I wanted it a wrong. I wasn't this.
• 23:50
  Essentially hearing. What?
• 23:53
  I went to film school and when I tell you that's like every dude
• 23:57
  in film school. Oh, yeah.
• 23:59
  Well, I didn't really understand what?
• 24:00
  This was new. What thing new.
• 24:02
  This was bringing to the like, shut up.
• 24:04
  Like, dude, shut up, dude. No, I'm kidding.
• 24:07
  You're allowed to have your own opinion.
• 24:08
  You don't have to like. This movie, you are allowed to
• 24:10
  have your own opinion. You're not.
• 24:11
  You don't have to like the same movies as everybody else.
• 24:13
  But The thing is, I tend to say if I dislike a movie but I see
• 24:18
  it for what it is, I'm like, I can see what they were going
• 24:21
  for. It's not for me, not for me.
• 24:24
  Right. They didn't say that.
• 24:26
  They're like it's predictable and I'm like, OK, but that's the
• 24:31
  thing that's I signed up for that.
• 24:33
  Like I 100% signed up for that. I.
• 24:36
  My thought the whole time I was rewatching it 'cause it was a
• 24:39
  rewatch for me but I just kept thinking it reminds me of that
• 24:44
  70s movie love story. Like it's got that same soft
• 24:48
  vibe and that love and the, you know, like it just it has that
• 24:55
  same and it makes sense because love story was like everybody
• 24:59
  loved love story. Like it has so many remakes and
• 25:02
  like it's been retold and always is the same way, right?
• 25:05
  Like people love this story and because there's something about
• 25:09
  the story that people just love and it touches people.
• 25:13
  It's simple and. Easy.
• 25:17
  It was also complicated to me. Yeah.
• 25:20
  Yeah, it's just, it's a straightforward, here you go.
• 25:23
  Yeah, it was also a rewatch for me.
• 25:25
  And I was like, okay, like I'm like, I feel like I remember
• 25:28
  every single scene in this and I was like, but you know, I
• 25:30
  probably don't. I probably don't.
• 25:32
  And then I was rewatching. I was like, no, I do, I do.
• 25:35
  I don't know what I saw my. Entire film, like I remembered
• 25:40
  this entire film, but it was still it was very nice.
• 25:42
  And also we had, we have like a Patreon movie night that we do
• 25:46
  on our podcast and we had watched the Japanese remake and
• 25:50
  we hadn't realized, right, it was a remake until we were like
• 25:55
  a few and then we were like, wait.
• 25:57
  A minute. Yeah, so.
• 26:00
  When? You do these Patreon movie
• 26:02
  watches like if it's your birthday month, you get to pick.
• 26:05
  So I picked it and I purely picked it because I like the two
• 26:08
  leads in Japanese movie like and I knew it wasn't a whore.
• 26:12
  And so I was like being really nice to people and not giving
• 26:15
  them a horror movie, right, that they have to sit and watch for
• 26:18
  me. And I was like, it's fine
• 26:19
  because pots are both here if you.
• 26:21
  Haven't listened to the host review with Natalia and Jesse on
• 26:24
  it. Jesse can like raw Dog 100 plus
• 26:28
  horror movies. Yeah, easily.
• 26:31
  Yeah, she did that last year. Yeah.
• 26:32
  So anyway, that's contact. So that's.
• 26:35
  Being nice. And I remember very clearly,
• 26:39
  like, we started watching and Amanda going, wait a minute.
• 26:43
  Familiar. Which I mean, now that I've
• 26:49
  like, officially watched the Korean version, it kind of feels
• 26:52
  like I've already watched it because they're pretty much the
• 26:54
  same. They're very close.
• 26:55
  They're almost. They're not quite shown for
• 26:58
  shot, but they're. Pretty much shot yeah yeah yeah
• 27:01
  yeah it's they're kind of like I re watched it but it was just
• 27:05
  with different. Actors they're.
• 27:07
  Not identical twins, but they're certainly fraternal.
• 27:09
  You know what I mean? Like.
• 27:12
  Sky. So I think it was a re watch for
• 27:15
  me, but now that we're like reviewing all of the tapes of
• 27:18
  this I. Reviewing game tape.
• 27:21
  Like life has been. Crazy the past, but I I I don't.
• 27:25
  Know, I honestly do not know if I've 'cause I mean it felt super
• 27:30
  familiar when I was watching it this time.
• 27:33
  It could have been the Japanese version.
• 27:35
  Yeah, it could have been. I don't know if I'm remembering
• 27:37
  the Japanese version or if I am remembering.
• 27:40
  It, I couldn't, I remember having watched it before at all,
• 27:43
  but my drama list told me that I had watched it.
• 27:46
  So I was like, OK. And then once I started
• 27:49
  watching, I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:51
  But like, beforehand, I could not have told you.
• 27:54
  I was like, apparently I've watched it and I have no idea
• 27:57
  what it's about. And as soon as it started up, it
• 27:59
  was like, okay. Like see I do.
• 28:03
  My drama list tells me I didn't have not watched it, but I am
• 28:08
  also pretty bad about adding the movies.
• 28:10
  Yeah. I'm terrible on.
• 28:12
  Movies because I feel like I I will say this, if I watched the
• 28:15
  Korean one, it was a long time ago, like at just sketch brain.
• 28:19
  So, but as far as once we got going, I'm like, oh, parking
• 28:23
  attendant, oh boxer, oh blank. Like I was like.
• 28:25
  This is all. All the connections are
• 28:27
  reformatted. Yes, but but was I was?
• 28:30
  Was I overriding Soji sub on the Japanese 1?
• 28:33
  I don't know. I mean, they style him they
• 28:37
  smell, you say? It's literally again so.
• 28:40
  The hair. The same hair, same like outfit
• 28:43
  so I have to. Watch the paper shit, it's Oh my
• 28:47
  God. It's it's.
• 28:49
  It's just imagine like. It's basically this in a
• 28:52
  slightly different font like. They're very close.
• 28:55
  Like it's like essentially it's like if Japanese is your like
• 28:59
  native tongue, you'll watch that over the Korean one The but like
• 29:04
  there's no real big like. There's no new information
• 29:07
  going. I got you there.
• 29:08
  Same tone you. Know we're doing the same stuff.
• 29:12
  But you all liked it. Yeah, yeah, OK.
• 29:17
  This era in filmmaking K dramas. They wanted to answer a question
• 29:26
  and the question was based on like would you still love me if
• 29:33
  I was blind? Would you still love me if
• 29:36
  whatever XYZ? They're really doing the would
• 29:38
  you still love me if I was a Worm bit but like in like before
• 29:42
  it. Was a worm.
• 29:43
  Was a thing. They tried that rinse and repeat
• 29:46
  for so many different plots and K dramas and movies and I'm
• 29:50
  sorry, it works a lot of the time.
• 29:53
  A lot of the time. It's cliches are cliches for a
• 29:58
  reason, you know what I mean? Like tropes exist because you
• 30:01
  enjoy them. Like.
• 30:05
  And also, sorry, I grew up watching Rocky marathons every
• 30:09
  4th of July, every Memorial Day and Soji sub's character
• 30:14
  straight up Rocky. Rocky Balboa, Yeah.
• 30:16
  Yeah. He down to the turtle, down to
• 30:19
  the turtle. I was like, Oh my God, there's
• 30:21
  even a turtle. I forgot about the turtle.
• 30:24
  This guy I straight up Yeah. Rocky Balboa Facts, Emily.
• 30:29
  I was kind of laughing because I was like rewatching it while I
• 30:31
  was lying in bed because I I watch everything on my tablet
• 30:33
  lying in bed while my husband does like intellectual pursuits
• 30:36
  near me because like, that's our like thing.
• 30:38
  Wait, wait. What do you mean you're not
• 30:41
  doing an intellectual pursuit by watching always?
• 30:43
  Well, well, so I. Whatever percentage of vertical
• 30:48
  dramas I mean, it depends. On If you're like dramas are
• 30:53
  really right. I know, I know.
• 30:55
  Don't be putting me on blast here.
• 30:57
  No, as a lie. I put myself on blast, but I I
• 30:59
  turned to my turned to my husband and I was like honey in
• 31:04
  the nice. I'm about to say something, but
• 31:06
  I mean it in the nicest possible way.
• 31:11
  Soji sub really looks like a dude who got punched in the face
• 31:14
  a lot in this. Like he looked like they really
• 31:16
  tasked him well because he has the energy of a guy who got
• 31:19
  punched in the face a lot. Yeah, like he's and I do.
• 31:21
  It and like, and that's not just in this, like in almost
• 31:24
  everything he makes, he has the energy of a guy.
• 31:26
  Like a world. Probably gotten probably gotten
• 31:29
  punched in the face a bit like and and not in like a oh, he's
• 31:33
  beaten up and ugly. I mean, just like there's like a
• 31:35
  certain energy to him. I'm like, he's kind of perfect
• 31:40
  for this particular iteration of like, you know, man punching out
• 31:46
  of his league with a lady situation.
• 31:48
  I. Think he even says, because she
• 31:50
  asked him at one point, are you handsome?
• 31:53
  And he says I look manly. And I was like, yes, yes, that's
• 31:58
  it. Listen, I to answer his
• 32:01
  question, my personal opinion, yeah.
• 32:03
  But like, I think it's a subjective, objective thing, you
• 32:08
  know, like. I mean, he hot too, like he
• 32:11
  should have said. Yes, I'm handsome, but yeah,
• 32:13
  he's got a very masculine looking appeal about him.
• 32:18
  Aesthetic. And again, sue me, it works.
• 32:21
  For me, no. I don't.
• 32:24
  Listen. We ain't going to sue you not.
• 32:26
  At. All I may be more equal
• 32:29
  opportunity for that sort of thing, but like, yeah, he's got,
• 32:33
  he's got the sauce, you know? I know, and you see him.
• 32:35
  Directors knew what they were doing.
• 32:37
  They've got like training montages in this they.
• 32:39
  Got they got him doing the pull ups like they do on, you know,
• 32:42
  like, Oh my Venus. Like they're like, OK, OK, yeah,
• 32:46
  yeah, yeah, yeah. Slow zoom in on his back
• 32:48
  muscles, like OK, we see you. Yeah.
• 32:50
  What am I going to do? Fast forward this?
• 32:52
  Yeah, no. Like, OK, we get it.
• 32:56
  I get it. Sochi stuff apparently took
• 33:00
  boxing lessons to prepare for for this role.
• 33:04
  And I was like, I bet this is something that I wanted to bring
• 33:08
  up. This is maybe steering us in a
• 33:10
  more controversial direction. But because of the type of
• 33:14
  content that I put out this year, IE the K drama hot takes,
• 33:19
  episodes that were fueled by a viral TikTok that I did, look.
• 33:24
  What do you think of the age gap?
• 33:26
  I don't give a shit about age gaps.
• 33:27
  This movie has Soji sub who was 34 or 33 ish when he made this
• 33:33
  movie and Hanyoju was 24. Yeah, they're both 10 year, 10
• 33:37
  year age gap that's. Honestly, like they don't look
• 33:42
  that far apart. That's what they don't.
• 33:44
  That's what I'm saying with her. She just looks like it's she
• 33:48
  just looks like the same all around.
• 33:51
  So she doesn't look like baby faced in it like to me and to.
• 33:55
  Be honest, I thought it was weird that she kept like her
• 33:58
  sort of nickname for him or whatever was juicy.
• 34:01
  And I was like, he looks like he's like maybe four years older
• 34:05
  than you. Maybe.
• 34:06
  Yeah, it didn't look like a fan. And.
• 34:09
  I just by the end even I was just like, you know, you
• 34:12
  continuing to call him like old man kind of makes it seem like
• 34:16
  there is a weirder age gap thing going on.
• 34:19
  Here right within the. Movie, right?
• 34:21
  Like it's pretty normal. So like, let's just settle down,
• 34:27
  you know? It's pretty funny.
• 34:28
  The Japanese movie The Female is like older than say, I don't
• 34:33
  remember by how much, but it's probably like 6 or 7 years,
• 34:36
  yeah. Who what I was it like age cap
• 34:40
  like OK, people are always going on.
• 34:42
  People are always going on like oh ten year age gap like their
• 34:45
  own parents don't have a 10 year age gap when most of them do
• 34:48
  like get the. Circumstances of it, like
• 34:51
  obviously, like she's 25, so like that's not a thing and it's
• 34:55
  like not really a thing in the movie too.
• 34:57
  Like so it doesn't matter like if we're like in a power
• 35:01
  imbalance or like it was. So when she's he's like known
• 35:05
  for all of her life when she was younger too, a grooming
• 35:08
  situation, then we can talk. But this really wasn't that.
• 35:12
  Well, yeah. And to me, they're two world
• 35:15
  weary characters. They've both been through it
• 35:18
  already before they even met. And so they kind of meet each
• 35:21
  other in that space of we've been through it, so now let's
• 35:24
  kind of have a good moment in life together.
• 35:26
  And so to me that doesn't. I didn't.
• 35:28
  They both feel fully grown. Yeah, when you meet them, right.
• 35:33
  Even though she is sort of bubbly and I guess you could
• 35:37
  perceive her as younger because of some of the like way she
• 35:41
  behaves, she never comes across like she's like this.
• 35:45
  Like they never focus on that, you know, like sometimes they
• 35:48
  would focus on him being like, I don't get her because there's a
• 35:52
  10 year age gap kind of thing. But that's not how it comes
• 35:55
  across it comes. Across, yeah, I think it's more
• 35:57
  of a like a different. Person a little brighter, and
• 36:00
  he's a little. Sad.
• 36:01
  Yeah, he's. Got a shit life right right
• 36:08
  comes across yeah yeah, like although I'm every time I age,
• 36:13
  cap discourse gets me every time.
• 36:15
  Because me every time. Because I thought I was, you
• 36:19
  know, validly bitching about age gaps when it when it mattered,
• 36:23
  right? When I'm like, that's a 20 year
• 36:25
  age gap. That's like a really big gap.
• 36:27
  Like, that's crazy. But now people are bitching
• 36:30
  about four years. Yeah.
• 36:33
  And I'm like what the fuck? I saw someone call something a
• 36:36
  nuna romance when she was like 3 years older than him and I'm
• 36:39
  like dad. No.
• 36:40
  No, no, no, not at all. That is not I like.
• 36:43
  Unless it's a joke tongue in. Cheek.
• 36:45
  Yeah, unless you're kidding. Yeah, Yeah, I realize that.
• 36:48
  I'm like the bad person to ask because Full disclosure my
• 36:52
  parents had a 30 year age gap between them in a not no.
• 36:57
  They met when my mom was in her 30s so it wasn't like a weird
• 37:00
  thing like. Not expecting it to be like
• 37:04
  anyway, so my dad in prison, one of those.
• 37:08
  Things where you're like, my grandma was a hostage, like, no,
• 37:11
  it wasn't. I took the best case scenario of
• 37:16
  the 30 years. Yeah, your parents.
• 37:18
  It was all, it was all above the Lord.
• 37:21
  Okay, but so I'm just like I'm like you're upset about like 6
• 37:26
  years. Call me when you're done college
• 37:30
  kid. Like get out of here it.
• 37:31
  Gets so. Infuriating.
• 37:33
  I think the only thing I don't like about age gaps is it's so
• 37:38
  much male is always the like older and then the females.
• 37:42
  And that's the only thing that's like kind of like annoying about
• 37:46
  it is that it's like always so okay that the meant could be
• 37:49
  like the oldest and then not. And then when it becomes like a
• 37:53
  noona romance, people get weird about but like.
• 37:57
  No. It still doesn't matter to me
• 37:59
  like, especially if like the circumstances are like fine,
• 38:03
  right? And the reality is, like, I feel
• 38:06
  like sometimes they're interposing age gap discussions
• 38:09
  for when we're actually talking about underage concerns.
• 38:11
  Yeah. That's like different.
• 38:14
  If that's what we're actually discussing.
• 38:15
  That's what we should discuss as long as they met as adults, as
• 38:20
  the romance is happening as adults or they were both, you
• 38:24
  know, children and it's like a two year age gap or whatever,
• 38:26
  which is not a thing. Right.
• 38:29
  But like, it's only a big deal. Like if if this was a movie
• 38:33
  about him being, you know, 25 and her being 15.
• 38:37
  Yeah. OK.
• 38:38
  That's a. Problem.
• 38:40
  That's a. Problem.
• 38:41
  That's a, that's a horror movie. I mean, that's a crime thriller
• 38:49
  at that point. But when we're acting like 24
• 38:53
  and 35 is the same thing, we're making the other thing that is
• 38:58
  actually a problem seem like less of a problem because we're
• 39:02
  comparing it to a thing that's not a problem at all.
• 39:04
  So like. Changing gears, I found a
• 39:10
  interview that Tojisa did back in the day, back in 2011 for the
• 39:16
  release of this film, and it was with 10 Asia.
• 39:21
  It was with 10 Asia. And some of these questions are
• 39:25
  a little bit like I basically translated the page, which was
• 39:29
  entirely in Korean into English. And I'm like, God, this was a
• 39:34
  harsh, not a harsh interview. But I'm like, oh, they're asking
• 39:36
  legit questions. So it asks.
• 39:39
  Isn't having good chemistry with your scene partner important to
• 39:42
  maintaining such emotions? And I was like, tell me all
• 39:46
  about this Hoji sub because I'm entirely interested in what you
• 39:49
  have to say about the process and what it what it feels like
• 39:52
  and chemistry, chemistry readings and stuff like that.
• 39:55
  So he says. I had only met Hanyuju once in
• 39:58
  the past, at an award ceremony, and I expected her to be a
• 40:00
  cheerful and bubbly person. But it turned out she was
• 40:04
  actually the complete opposite. She was serious and had a lot of
• 40:07
  thoughts regarding acting, was the type that puts in a lot of
• 40:10
  stress on herself. But that helped me a lot.
• 40:13
  It would have been hard to focus on my emotions if she was
• 40:16
  playful and all over the place, but seeing her think a lot about
• 40:18
  her character helped me a lot too.
• 40:20
  Oh. It's really.
• 40:21
  Nice. I was like, wow, look at that.
• 40:24
  He like, he's like turn around. I'm going to actually turn this
• 40:26
  question around and just complicate, you know?
• 40:29
  Compliment how to do it. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:31
  Yeah, like good energy. Good energy, the interviewer
• 40:35
  goes on to ask, but it must have been difficult to be seen
• 40:38
  partners with someone who's playing a visually impaired
• 40:40
  person. I was like, I have actually,
• 40:42
  I've seen a lot of media where like someone's acting opposite
• 40:46
  someone who's pretending to be blind, and I have never seen
• 40:49
  someone ask this question. So I was like, yeah, OK, what's
• 40:52
  he going to say? He says actors deliver their
• 40:54
  emotions through their eyes, but she wouldn't look at me.
• 40:57
  So this was very frustrating. At first.
• 40:59
  I couldn't focus and kept wondering how I'm supposed to
• 41:02
  act. But I got used to it, the
• 41:04
  situation in a week. It felt comfortable after really
• 41:07
  starting to feel that this person really can't see me.
• 41:10
  Acting is such a strange thing. And I was like, yeah, it is
• 41:13
  fucking strange. Yeah, it really is.
• 41:15
  Yeah. They go on to ask.
• 41:17
  Set aside the earnest romance within the movie, The story
• 41:21
  itself was not very refreshing. So what's the reason you went
• 41:26
  for this movie? And I was like, Oh my God.
• 41:30
  But this interviewer sounded for a ton but like.
• 41:32
  What they're saying, I like. I ran off like the political
• 41:35
  beat to be like, all right, we're taking you off of like
• 41:38
  interviewing like failed politicians and sending you to
• 41:41
  go talk to Soji some about his romance.
• 41:43
  I was literally like looking around for the camera because
• 41:46
  this question went for the jugular and it kind of Harkins
• 41:51
  back to some of the letterbox reviews that I read.
• 41:54
  So I was like, Oh my God. I mind you, this was critically
• 41:58
  well received. Like the movie was a success.
• 42:02
  So. So Joseph says, I wanted to do a
• 42:05
  love story like this. I thought that it would be nice
• 42:07
  for people who watch this movie to think of their past and the
• 42:10
  excitement they felt over their first love or crush.
• 42:14
  And they then they ask, and did you think that you'd do well at
• 42:18
  delivering such emotions? And I'm like.
• 42:20
  What are they doing? Clearly did, because.
• 42:24
  Like he accepted the job. They're like, yeah, assess your
• 42:29
  own acting is what they're asking him to do.
• 42:32
  And he goes, I didn't, I'm not the type that thinks I'm good at
• 42:36
  this, so I'll show people this. I'm the type that has to rack it
• 42:39
  out by tormenting himself. I'm very sure of what sort of
• 42:43
  acting I'm bad at, but not sure of what sort of acting I'm good
• 42:47
  at, nor am I sure of what sort of act I'm confident at doing.
• 42:50
  And I was like, Oh my God. Question feels like a gotcha to
• 42:55
  try to make him seem like like. Humble.
• 42:59
  Bragging or something. And he's like, I'm not going to
• 43:01
  do it. You're not going to get me this
• 43:03
  time. Like what was this journalist's
• 43:05
  problem? I don't know.
• 43:08
  It should have been like a softball interview.
• 43:09
  You're just trying to promote a romance film.
• 43:11
  Like calm down dude. I literally could not believe
• 43:15
  like a few of these questions, especially the one saying, yeah,
• 43:18
  this story is like really recycled.
• 43:21
  Why did you choose to do this? It's.
• 43:24
  Just. Like, I sometimes wonder when
• 43:26
  you see a review of an older film that says this plot line is
• 43:30
  so recycled, you're like, is it though?
• 43:33
  Or. Like, is it?
• 43:35
  But didn't start here, right? Like, you know, like when I saw
• 43:39
  Casablanca, I was like, Oh my God, this is so cliche.
• 43:42
  And I was like, no, it became cliche.
• 43:47
  I know every single line because every single line was that good
• 43:52
  that it got forwarded into every other form of media.
• 43:59
  And I'm like, this has been remade.
• 44:00
  This story has been retold. It's not recycled.
• 44:03
  It was the recycled thing like. So I can't there's more to that
• 44:09
  interview, but those were some of the questions that I was
• 44:11
  like, I need to tell, I need to tell the newness about these.
• 44:15
  Questions. No, that's a literal insane
• 44:17
  series of questions to ask for like a movie promo interview.
• 44:21
  Like, jeez. If they would, they wouldn't get
• 44:24
  away with asking those types of questions like K Nets would go
• 44:27
  out. No, and that's The thing is that
• 44:29
  the promo today really doesn't include this kind of like
• 44:33
  probing or difficult inward reflection.
• 44:38
  Why shouldn't? Because it's like a marketing
• 44:41
  thing. Like we're not doing
• 44:42
  investigative journalism on like.
• 44:44
  I was like is. This a very.
• 44:46
  Is this a Vanity Fair piece that I don't know about or like?
• 44:50
  Right. What is this?
• 44:51
  I thought he was promoting that. Movie like this Expo say about.
• 44:54
  The. Expo, so she said, promotes
• 44:56
  film. We get to the bottom of it.
• 44:58
  Well, like if he had said, oh, I think I'm a horrible actor, that
• 45:02
  would've been the headline. You know what I'm saying?
• 45:04
  Like they it felt like they were fishing.
• 45:06
  Thinks he's terrible like. Yeah, it was.
• 45:09
  It was interesting, very interesting.
• 45:11
  And that was from a a Korean outlet anyway, So you mentioned
• 45:16
  the Japanese remake. This has been remade several
• 45:19
  times, a Hindi production from India, a Turkish movie, The
• 45:24
  Japanese remake and then a Filipino remake which came out
• 45:28
  during the pandy September 2022. So this is a very popular story
• 45:35
  that everyone it's like how. They keep, it's like how they
• 45:37
  keep remaking boys over flowers and then everyone's just, yeah,
• 45:41
  it's so terrible. Let's watch the next two
• 45:43
  minutes. It's done watching.
• 45:45
  Clearly the people be enjoying it so as much as these people
• 45:48
  on, you know, review sites and whatever go on about, oh, it's
• 45:51
  so cliche entire y'all keep tuning in.
• 45:53
  Yeah, keep watching. Keep enjoying, you know there's.
• 45:56
  Still an audience. OK, we've come to the part where
• 45:59
  I'm going to ask you guys how many soldier bottles you would
• 46:02
  give always. And I feel like this might be
• 46:06
  very revealing because we're we all seem to like it, but you
• 46:10
  never know what the scoring, how many soldier bottles.
• 46:14
  OK so on my drama list I went in to check and I had rated it 9
• 46:20
  out of 10, which is very high for me.
• 46:22
  Which means I really friggin enjoy this.
• 46:24
  How much of this is like the Sochi sub privilege?
• 46:27
  Who knows. So I guess if we're doing it out
• 46:29
  of five, that's going to be a 4.5 for Mol Natalia.
• 46:32
  Hey 4.5 school. I liked it.
• 46:35
  I liked. It.
• 46:36
  No. Jesse.
• 46:39
  I was thinking about this and I I like it.
• 46:42
  I would give it like more like a 3.5, mostly because maybe we'll
• 46:47
  talk about in spoiler section. Yes.
• 46:50
  But like, I generally liked it. I didn't hate watching it.
• 46:54
  Like I'm the type of person if I do not like the what I'm
• 46:56
  watching, I'm gonna turn it off and never come back to it.
• 46:59
  So Yep. Yeah, I'd probably say like an
• 47:03
  8, Like it's, that's fine. Good.
• 47:06
  Yeah. Like an 8 out of 10 or sorry,
• 47:09
  like a 8 out of 10. I I was looking at my, my, my
• 47:13
  drama list. I was looking at my drama list.
• 47:15
  And then so it was like, so. Yeah.
• 47:18
  So like probably a four, maybe even a four and a half.
• 47:21
  Like I, I really enjoyed it. There were a few things that.
• 47:25
  Yeah. There's kind of like a few later
• 47:27
  things that I'm like. Yeah, like that.
• 47:30
  It could have been way up here and instead it was just like, it
• 47:35
  was quite good. It was very enjoyable to me.
• 47:37
  So all right, this guy. I'm not good at rating things so
• 47:42
  I will like often it's pass or fail for me is really how this
• 47:45
  goes. So for me it is probably A5 out
• 47:48
  of five because I didn't have any problems with anything like
• 47:52
  I was if someone asked me, were you impressed by this?
• 47:56
  I'm not sure I was impressed. I had a good time.
• 47:57
  It served exactly what I believe the story is serving.
• 48:01
  So like I didn't, I didn't feel like anything was left open or
• 48:06
  so I felt very I was very, very satisfied by it.
• 48:08
  So therefore, 'cause I feel like a four would be under doing it
• 48:12
  for me. So I'll give it a 5 because I
• 48:14
  think it's, I think it delivers. Like fully it doesn't for me.
• 48:18
  It does exactly what it promises to do, and it also gives you a
• 48:22
  turtle and a dog like. Wow to love.
• 48:25
  Fuzzy dog, man there isn't that put it over.
• 48:28
  God shout out to Easy Easy the golden.
• 48:31
  Easy, the golden Retriever. I think I would give it a 4 1/2
• 48:37
  if I'm being mean, But like, catch me at like 2:00 AM
• 48:42
  watching this movie. That's a 5 out of five soju
• 48:44
  bottle movie, you know? Yeah.
• 48:46
  Yeah, it's. True.
• 48:47
  It hits the spot, and I'm not saying it's like McDonald's hit
• 48:51
  the spot, but it is a form of like fast food.
• 48:55
  I don't give a fuck. It's really good.
• 48:57
  It's really good. It delivers exactly what you
• 49:01
  want. Yes.
• 49:02
  If you're like, I'm going to press play about like on a
• 49:04
  melodrama romance about a guy down on his luck and a blind
• 49:09
  woman. Yeah, it's exactly what you're
• 49:11
  expecting from this. They're not like we're going to
• 49:13
  really change up the no. They're like we're going to.
• 49:16
  Deliver exactly what we promised you to deliver.
• 49:19
  Yep, Yep. Yeah.
• 49:21
  So with that being said, we're going to talk about what exactly
• 49:25
  happened in this movie, because we've really danced around it
• 49:28
  this whole time. Pointer.
• 49:29
  Section. To the spoiler section right
• 49:33
  after this. The greatest trick?
• 49:36
  Houston, we have a problem. I am the father.
• 49:39
  I see dead people. The devil ever pulled.
• 49:42
  Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
• 49:45
  Was convincing the world. You can't handle the truth.
• 49:49
  He didn't exist, No. What's in the box?
• 49:55
  All right, we're on the other side of spoilers.
• 49:56
  We are going to talk a little more about the exact plot of
• 50:01
  Always and maybe what were the niggly bits, the picky nits for
• 50:08
  Always. Jesse, why don't you start us
• 50:11
  off and say why you downrated the movie?
• 50:15
  Well, one of the big things about this movie is that you
• 50:18
  find out that there is a surgery that she can do to fix her
• 50:24
  eyesight. And while I don't think this
• 50:27
  movie does it maliciously, they still contribute to the really
• 50:31
  kind of tired trope of disabled person gets better and becomes
• 50:36
  not disabled. Yeah.
• 50:38
  Like, and then they're just like, fine afterwards, that sort
• 50:41
  of thing. And so that's like kind of
• 50:43
  really where like a lot of my, like, not, not the greatest.
• 50:48
  I don't think it's doing it viciously, though.
• 50:51
  Like it's just not like it's not like they're being terrible
• 50:54
  about it, but I just like it makes me feel weird when you see
• 50:58
  that happen in a drama because it's like, why can't she's
• 51:02
  perfectly fine disabled as well? Yeah, she needed a $30,000
• 51:08
  surgery to save her eyesight or she would go blind within a
• 51:11
  month. And I was like, OK, OK, let's
• 51:13
  settle down. Like within a month, it was like
• 51:16
  they had a hard deadline on when she could do the surgery and
• 51:20
  they needed the money to buy a cornea from the United States.
• 51:24
  I was like, OK, that was that was annoying.
• 51:28
  Yeah, and I mean like it. I guess it isn't as bad.
• 51:31
  It could be because of the circumstances of her accident,
• 51:34
  because it was like. A car wasn't like she was born.
• 51:38
  Yeah, it wasn't like a slow act. It was an impact in it being
• 51:42
  very relatively new as well. So like, yeah, if she wasn't
• 51:46
  fully like had been disabled that much, but it's still, it's
• 51:50
  kind of like we could have had them, you know, she'd still be
• 51:54
  that way and it'd be perfectly fine.
• 51:56
  Right, I agree. I agree, they didn't need to
• 51:58
  save her eyesight imminently. It's almost like they actually
• 52:02
  just like traded the disabilities because he ends up
• 52:06
  disabled at the end of. Correct.
• 52:07
  I mean, that's part of the melodrama.
• 52:09
  Like he's bought at the end of. The movie like she's now fine
• 52:15
  but but he can't. Cost of him.
• 52:17
  Anymore without physical, without walking aids, but I'm
• 52:20
  like, all right, So like it's not like they said disability
• 52:24
  cured. It was just sort of like it just
• 52:26
  kind of transferred a little. Yeah.
• 52:28
  And they do like make it like it's very apparent that both the
• 52:32
  characters like the the characters the way they are no
• 52:36
  matter what. So there is that, yes.
• 52:39
  Yes, 100% And maybe there's a touch of like he needs to pay
• 52:44
  for the sin of causing the accident inadvertently and
• 52:49
  there's a fate swapping thing that happens between them and
• 52:53
  Ignon and all the this like really sad destiny that they
• 52:57
  have to fall in love with each other.
• 52:59
  But like he killed her parents. So like all of this stuff like.
• 53:02
  Technically he he did it. That's the thing he technically
• 53:05
  he didn't, but he felt guilty for.
• 53:09
  Setting a chain of it was. It was a series of events beyond
• 53:13
  his real control at this point. Like yes and.
• 53:17
  She felt guilty for killing her parents too, which also not your
• 53:20
  fault. Like if I saw a man fire
• 53:24
  dropping out of the window, I would look at that too.
• 53:27
  He would. Have gone the same exact way for
• 53:28
  me. That just feels like they you
• 53:30
  like everything happening in that sequence of events.
• 53:33
  It's just like the universe wanted these two people dead and
• 53:36
  no matter what anyone did, it was happening because those are
• 53:40
  very unlikely series of events that.
• 53:42
  Went just so odd when they played the whole thing in
• 53:45
  sequence. I was like yeah what the fuck.
• 53:47
  Even like that was weird. That's.
• 53:49
  Like, really bizarre. And for anyone who's like
• 53:53
  listening to this, who was never planning on watching the movie,
• 53:56
  he was like a debt collector. And just like Rocky.
• 54:00
  Yeah, and so he's trying to collect debts from this guy.
• 54:03
  And then the guy's like, I instead of this, I'm going to
• 54:08
  tell you live your life right and set myself a flame and.
• 54:11
  Jump out of a window. And jump out of a window, which
• 54:15
  the visual of me jumping out of a window will startle a truck
• 54:20
  driver like fair. Enough.
• 54:23
  Who will then veer into a car of a family going and then I'm
• 54:27
  like, this is there's no way Who's also like, what the hell?
• 54:31
  Who was that fireball falling from this hotel?
• 54:34
  And it's like, these are a series of very unlikely
• 54:37
  occurrences that you can like, listen, should he have been a
• 54:40
  debt collector? Probably no.
• 54:42
  But at the end of that, he is not responsible for that man
• 54:45
  setting himself on fire and jumping out a window like.
• 54:48
  It's not like he collected that's how he.
• 54:50
  Collected. It's not like he licked the
• 54:52
  flame, you know, like. When he.
• 54:54
  Tries to say. That turns around and that guy's
• 54:57
  in the window frame. Don't make gasoline on himself.
• 55:01
  I'm like, I mean, what do you even do?
• 55:04
  Like. Yeah, you can't do anything.
• 55:06
  Can you touch him? Oh yeah, and.
• 55:09
  Then also the guy technically framed Sochi sub for attacked
• 55:13
  murder. He.
• 55:15
  Was like a whole so like he doesn't goes to jail and he's
• 55:19
  like, I tried to save this dude. Like did I listen?
• 55:22
  Did I beat him up? Yes, OK.
• 55:24
  Yeah, there was a shaking, but I didn't set him in a fire and
• 55:28
  throw him out the window. I could not try to keep it that
• 55:30
  by himself. Yeah.
• 55:33
  It's so wild. So that's like the end of the.
• 55:35
  Movie that when that's like and. For anyone being like, oh, this
• 55:39
  movie is so cliche. It's like, oh, you predicted
• 55:41
  that you predicted. Wow, incredible work.
• 55:47
  You must be a genius. I mean, I guess the
• 55:51
  predictability thing is that maybe he had something, some
• 55:54
  crazy backward thing to do with her accident that made her blind
• 56:01
  and killed her parents. Which is what makes it movie
• 56:05
  worthy to tell. Because if you take that away,
• 56:08
  why are we talking? About Why do we care?
• 56:11
  Like. It's just like we're just like
• 56:12
  this is just a slice of life about about a guy in a blind
• 56:16
  girl dating, which would be very.
• 56:17
  Cute but like. I would.
• 56:19
  Enjoy that wedding, but that's not the job writing.
• 56:22
  I couldn't have said it better myself.
• 56:24
  Like why are we even watching that?
• 56:26
  Because that's the whole thing of the third act is like he has
• 56:30
  to do something because he feels like he killed her parents and
• 56:35
  made her blind. Like he's somehow to blame.
• 56:39
  And yeah. I mean, did he pull a noble
• 56:42
  idiocy? He sure did.
• 56:43
  A. 100%. But it's also so up.
• 56:47
  He's really good. At.
• 56:49
  So, so he's, he's really, it's in his contract.
• 56:52
  You know. I want to this is what I have to
• 56:55
  have. Sacrifice myself for no friggin
• 56:57
  reason. I want to pretend that cell
• 57:00
  phones do not. Do not exist.
• 57:01
  Oh my God. Oh.
• 57:03
  My my favorite thing is that he goes to do this illegal fight in
• 57:07
  Thailand and the whole thing is like this whole mysterious
• 57:11
  process for getting over there. They're like burn all of your
• 57:14
  docks. There can be nothing, No traces
• 57:18
  of you left here in Korea. Why?
• 57:20
  I'm like, yeah, like. Yeah, could have just been like,
• 57:23
  oh, just going back to Thailand. People go on vacation in
• 57:26
  Thailand. Like all the time like.
• 57:29
  Yeah. You could just get on a plane
• 57:31
  you can like, it's not hard to get a visa to really like land.
• 57:36
  They have a booming tourism industry.
• 57:38
  That's like a big part of their economy.
• 57:40
  Legit baffled by the whole thing and then he does it.
• 57:42
  There's like a whole inferno outside the house, dumpster
• 57:45
  fire, literally of him burning all evidence of himself.
• 57:49
  I was like, OK, Edward. It was very Edward column of
• 57:52
  him. Like, I'm leaving her with
• 57:55
  nothing. It's just the skin of a killer,
• 57:59
  so calm down. Buddy, calm down.
• 58:01
  I think for me, that's the part that took it down a bit for me
• 58:05
  because I mean, if you watch any kinds of sports movies and
• 58:10
  sports stuff, they could have had the exact same plot line
• 58:14
  without making that this right. It could have been we're going
• 58:19
  to pay you to lose the fight, right?
• 58:21
  Like to take a dive or we're going to, which is a super
• 58:25
  common trope, especially in boxing movies and dramas and
• 58:29
  stuff. It just felt like they took it
• 58:32
  up to a notch where it did not need to go for the story.
• 58:36
  It didn't add anything to the story.
• 58:39
  It just like. And even if the point was the
• 58:42
  smuggle, it's crazy, like they needed a smuggle bag, whatever.
• 58:48
  It's like we didn't have to be doing all that.
• 58:51
  Yeah, yeah. I think everybody's just like.
• 58:55
  You could have just sent him to Thailand on like a fake vacation
• 58:59
  and then him bring back, you know, like the little tchotchke
• 59:02
  or whatever that's like smuggling.
• 59:04
  Like we didn't have to be. We didn't have to send him.
• 59:06
  There was just too. Many steps going on.
• 59:09
  Right, it was. Like several of them.
• 59:12
  And it still had the exact same movie and the exact same story.
• 59:16
  You know, like conceptually anyway.
• 59:18
  It's like living living through a time where we see how stupid
• 59:22
  the average villainy is in real life.
• 59:24
  I'm like, this villainy is too complicated.
• 59:27
  It's. Very.
• 59:27
  Complicated. I will say this, it is the most
• 59:31
  complicated part of the movie. Yeah, yeah, because he had to
• 59:34
  win the fight against some like crazy guy out of.
• 59:38
  Time. Completely out of his weight
• 59:41
  class, by the way. And that guy had like 30 lbs on
• 59:44
  him. No easy.
• 59:46
  And then the guy is overtly like, you see a guy like getting
• 59:51
  dragged out of the Octagon in the hallway.
• 59:54
  Very. Dramatic.
• 59:55
  And I'm like, what is this? Like they're already talking
• 59:59
  this guy up and saying like everybody he fights dies, he
• 1:00:02
  kills everybody, he's a killer and then he wins the fight and
• 1:00:06
  only then. And he can get a literal diamond
• 1:00:11
  that's inside a snow globe. And it's like, this is so
• 1:00:14
  complicated. For what reason?
• 1:00:16
  I was like, okay, talk to me about the snow globe, talk to me
• 1:00:19
  about the diamond. Like what is up with that?
• 1:00:24
  Like I have a lot of questions. And the immediate question after
• 1:00:27
  that is he's going to get jumped.
• 1:00:29
  He's like, yeah, he will get jumped.
• 1:00:31
  He's marked, of course he is. Like otherwise why would they be
• 1:00:35
  like, no, you got to come in on the private port.
• 1:00:37
  Like we got to smuggle, Why are you smuggling?
• 1:00:38
  He's a citizen. You can just fly.
• 1:00:41
  In Why the hell would you go through the trouble of giving
• 1:00:44
  him another identity, another passport?
• 1:00:46
  He's masquerading as somebody else, memorize your name and
• 1:00:49
  address and all this stuff. They tell him to do this stuff
• 1:00:51
  and then they smuggle his ass out of Thailand.
• 1:00:54
  I was like, what was, What was all that?
• 1:00:56
  It's like, OK, I get that he needed another identity because
• 1:00:58
  he was an ex-con and you can't like go to other countries as an
• 1:01:02
  ex-con, whatever, OK. But you can still just get
• 1:01:05
  someone a new identity and just take the plane, fly out of the
• 1:01:09
  plane. Like dude.
• 1:01:11
  You don't need to be doing all this.
• 1:01:12
  Especially when you like you have this tchotchke like
• 1:01:14
  souvenir like clearly like. I feel like the props person was
• 1:01:20
  not actually told the full context.
• 1:01:23
  Of like they were like, OK, so a dime and they're like, yeah, but
• 1:01:27
  like. An obscene like to be like, Oh
• 1:01:30
  yeah, they're smuggling this boxer smuggling a diamond.
• 1:01:32
  It's like, oh, obviously I would make it look like a souvenir.
• 1:01:35
  That's the smartest way. And it's like, and in in this
• 1:01:37
  prop person defense, that was the smartest way to do this.
• 1:01:41
  Then it was just like he could have just had it in a bag.
• 1:01:44
  They're just gonna smuggle his entire body as well.
• 1:01:47
  It's a large. It's a large.
• 1:01:49
  Teddy bear at this point. OK, same thing.
• 1:01:51
  It could. Have been literally.
• 1:01:53
  You're gonna put it on like a charm, like, like.
• 1:01:55
  You're gonna just put it on a gaudy chain necklace?
• 1:01:58
  Like the fact. That it was in a snow globe and
• 1:02:02
  then he gets hit by a car and goes flying through the air and
• 1:02:04
  you don't see a big splash of water because it doesn't smash.
• 1:02:08
  Survives when he lands on it. That is for some.
• 1:02:12
  Really hardiest snow globe. I feel so smashed from like a 2
• 1:02:16
  foot drop like this is the hardest I've.
• 1:02:18
  Looked at a snow globe wrong and it just starts leaking.
• 1:02:21
  So got hit by a quick dude. They really be doing the most.
• 1:02:26
  Here, it was so great. I loved it.
• 1:02:29
  But drama, yeah, we could poke holes in this thing all day.
• 1:02:33
  But I guess let's go back to the beginning, because the beginning
• 1:02:38
  is I guess we're the most of the love story is and the their meet
• 1:02:42
  cute is is really nice as well. She mistakes them for the old
• 1:02:46
  man that used to work at the parking attendant or in the
• 1:02:49
  parking garage because she used to watch K dramas with the old
• 1:02:52
  man all night. And I'm like.
• 1:02:53
  Incredible. Incredible.
• 1:02:55
  Like just so cute. Yeah, adorable.
• 1:02:57
  But she's blind, obviously. And his name is Jean Marcellino.
• 1:03:05
  I completely forgot about that. Yeah, I was like, who?
• 1:03:08
  The baptismal name, Yeah, this is baptismal name because I was
• 1:03:12
  raised by nuns. Yeah, Catholic orphanage.
• 1:03:15
  So it's like, of course they gave him like a friggin Italian
• 1:03:18
  name or not. Man, I just love that she was
• 1:03:21
  like, oh, you're a foreigner. And he was like, Nah, man, I'm
• 1:03:23
  Korean. She's like your name.
• 1:03:26
  Is. Jean Marcelino.
• 1:03:28
  He's. Like, just Catholic.
• 1:03:30
  Just kidding. Yeah, I love, I love when he's
• 1:03:33
  sort of like complaining to the Nanobright and she's like, it's
• 1:03:36
  a beautiful name. It sounds like like an actor.
• 1:03:38
  She's. Like he's like, yeah, but like,
• 1:03:41
  it's kind of stupid. But also I'm Korean, it's like.
• 1:03:46
  Gonna, you know, like anything. I could have been named
• 1:03:51
  anything. Yeah, God, the times when
• 1:03:54
  they're sitting in there and watching the whatever drama it
• 1:03:58
  is. I love that she is a flirt.
• 1:04:03
  I love that she's a flirt because she initially asks if
• 1:04:07
  the people on screen are wearing shoes.
• 1:04:09
  But the way that the Korean language works, he was like,
• 1:04:11
  yeah, of course I'm wearing shoes.
• 1:04:13
  And she's like, no, no, no. Talk to me about the shoes that
• 1:04:16
  the character on screen is wearing.
• 1:04:17
  Describe them to me. And obviously, this is bringing
• 1:04:21
  her so much joy to know what's going on on screen.
• 1:04:24
  Like, tell me what they're doing.
• 1:04:25
  Tell me what her hair looks like and all this stuff.
• 1:04:28
  Another knight rolls around and she asks him if the male lead in
• 1:04:33
  the drama they're watching is handsome.
• 1:04:35
  He goes, of course he's an actor.
• 1:04:37
  She goes, no, no, no, you, I'm talking about you.
• 1:04:41
  And I was like, she's. So smooth.
• 1:04:44
  Like she does, she does all the work at the beginning, right?
• 1:04:49
  I am going to get this man. I know nothing about him.
• 1:04:53
  All I know is he's very poor. I made me sounds cute.
• 1:04:56
  That sounds. A.
• 1:04:58
  Nice with the concert tickets was so.
• 1:05:00
  Smooth. But she's like, oh, this is the
• 1:05:03
  thank you for carrying me up all those stairs.
• 1:05:06
  And he's like, oh, there's two and I don't have any friends.
• 1:05:09
  And she's like, that's too bad, you'll have to take me.
• 1:05:12
  And you're like, oh Dang, smooth I was.
• 1:05:17
  Like he can't get out of that one.
• 1:05:20
  Not too good. She's.
• 1:05:21
  Too good and. She shows up with that cute
• 1:05:23
  little terrible perm. Love it.
• 1:05:25
  So cute and the hairdressers are begging her like please don't
• 1:05:30
  get the drama cut, don't get the drama haircut that that female
• 1:05:34
  lead has or whatever. It's like we're going to give
• 1:05:36
  you the Parisian perm. Ain't no one in Paris had that
• 1:05:39
  perm. Oh my gosh, ain't no one in
• 1:05:41
  Paris been ragging that perm. It was.
• 1:05:44
  It was. Adorable.
• 1:05:45
  It was adorable, though. She.
• 1:05:46
  Was cute. It was.
• 1:05:47
  Cute. She looked cute, but thank God
• 1:05:50
  it wasn't like for the rest of the movie.
• 1:05:51
  That thing was there. He reveals that he was in prison
• 1:05:55
  for four years and three months after he quit boxing, he beat
• 1:05:59
  people up to collect their debts.
• 1:06:01
  And I was like, OK, Rocky, tell me more.
• 1:06:05
  How did you guys? I almost, the one time I almost
• 1:06:07
  cried was when he insulted her on the date because she had just
• 1:06:13
  finished saying I came here with my dad.
• 1:06:15
  This is very special to come back to this BBQ spot and she
• 1:06:20
  wanted to know more about him. She's asking like, oh, like what
• 1:06:22
  did you do in the past? What were you like?
• 1:06:24
  He must have done bad things. He took it sideways.
• 1:06:27
  He took it so sideways, her little jab.
• 1:06:30
  And he was like, well, I can see what you ate for breakfast
• 1:06:33
  because it's all over your shirt.
• 1:06:35
  Just basically insulting the fact that she's blind.
• 1:06:39
  Listen, sometimes people, they say mean things when they don't
• 1:06:41
  actually mean them because they're hurting on the inside.
• 1:06:44
  And I think that's his character in a nutshell.
• 1:06:47
  But that is forgivable. Yes, yes.
• 1:06:50
  But like, he does make it up to her in many, many ways going.
• 1:06:54
  Forward. He does.
• 1:06:55
  He does. He's.
• 1:06:57
  Also just not good with relationships.
• 1:06:59
  Yeah, he's not. He doesn't know how to talk to
• 1:07:00
  anyone. Yes.
• 1:07:02
  Yeah. He was in prison for four years
• 1:07:04
  or three months. Yeah, specifically for.
• 1:07:07
  He's a boxer. Attempted murder that he did not
• 1:07:10
  attempt to murder anyone. I would hope that they didn't
• 1:07:14
  book him for attempted murder, but.
• 1:07:15
  That guy probably assault, but yeah.
• 1:07:18
  Yeah, but that guy literally was like anyway, live a good life
• 1:07:22
  Deuces and was a flaming ball when he fell from the window.
• 1:07:27
  And he's still hanging out at the convent.
• 1:07:29
  That's the thing, really. Is like he's alive.
• 1:07:32
  Like in any way whatever. So it seems like the guy, I
• 1:07:35
  forgave him, yeah. It seemed like he was.
• 1:07:38
  He was like, OK, maybe it maybe I was a little too harsh setting
• 1:07:41
  myself on fire and setting you up for the fall.
• 1:07:42
  I feel like that was on me. Like we both made mistakes.
• 1:07:45
  We both, we both went a little too far.
• 1:07:50
  Like, listen, we can just move on.
• 1:07:51
  From I lost my head a little bit.
• 1:07:53
  We all went a little crazy. That night don't worry about it.
• 1:07:57
  I will say, going back to him insulting her for being blind,
• 1:08:00
  if this was a currently airing cave drama I feel like the
• 1:08:04
  discourse around that would sink the battleship.
• 1:08:11
  Yeah, because these days people don't really have, this is very
• 1:08:15
  unfortunate because they don't have patience for seeing
• 1:08:18
  characters make mistakes anymore.
• 1:08:20
  And immediately they want to just cancel everyone.
• 1:08:23
  And it's just like people do shitty things and you, you
• 1:08:27
  yourself, person out there who's like, oh, I can't believe that
• 1:08:30
  they would do this. It's like, you've also done
• 1:08:31
  shitty things. So maybe like let the deemed
• 1:08:34
  themselves a? Little doing it just to do it.
• 1:08:36
  He he felt like he was being attacked and so he attacked
• 1:08:39
  back. Yeah.
• 1:08:41
  It was in and it was almost. Immediately afterwards, a Paul
• 1:08:45
  like, yeah, is realizes that he crossed a line and goes and
• 1:08:50
  talks to her, you know, and they work it out.
• 1:08:53
  So it's not like, it's not one of those things where it's like,
• 1:08:56
  he says it and he stands by it and he wallows in his like
• 1:09:01
  crappiness, which we also see in a, a lot of Korean media and,
• 1:09:06
  and we're are supposed to forgive like, and, and people
• 1:09:10
  don't complain about. So it's, yeah, it, it seems like
• 1:09:14
  we, there's a, a, a thing where it's like, oh, we're going to
• 1:09:18
  cancel this character for one tiny thing, but we're not going
• 1:09:21
  to cancel this person for the myriad of terrible things.
• 1:09:25
  And you're like, OK, I'm lost, like.
• 1:09:29
  If if it was a red flag type thing, an indicator of some
• 1:09:32
  huge, like personality, like some deep thing that he was
• 1:09:35
  going to keep bringing up. And but that's that's obviously
• 1:09:38
  not what happened between them. They weren't using that as an
• 1:09:41
  indicator of like, oh, he's always going to go after some
• 1:09:43
  aspect of her blindness or whatever.
• 1:09:46
  If it was a drama and you have 20 episodes to fill, if he's a
• 1:09:49
  trash character, that would probably come back again and it
• 1:09:52
  would be, yeah, a problem and worth talking about.
• 1:09:54
  But. But then he's felt bad enough
• 1:09:57
  about it that he spent the rest of the movie just absolutely
• 1:10:00
  doing the most. Dedicate his entire life to her.
• 1:10:06
  OK, that's. Yeah.
• 1:10:07
  All right. OK.
• 1:10:08
  Yeah, she almost gets raped. There's a rape attempt in like
• 1:10:15
  the first third or so of this movie.
• 1:10:18
  Her boss, who was being really pervy with her, a lot of sexual
• 1:10:22
  harassment happening in the workplace.
• 1:10:23
  She's like this telemarketer, I think.
• 1:10:28
  Yeah, she's basically like call center and the guy is just, you
• 1:10:32
  can see it from a mile away. You're like, something's going
• 1:10:35
  to happen here. But when he shows up at her
• 1:10:37
  house, I was like, oh, right. This was like really violating
• 1:10:43
  because he just shows up. She's fucking blind.
• 1:10:46
  She cannot see that he's in the corner and only hears him after
• 1:10:51
  she's opened the door. I was like, Oh my God.
• 1:10:53
  Like this is like worst case scenario, he just invites
• 1:10:56
  himself inside. There's like nothing that she
• 1:10:59
  can do. She's so helpless in this
• 1:11:02
  situation. And it was really hard to watch
• 1:11:04
  this on on rewatch. But of course, you know, he
• 1:11:08
  comes to her rescue so shows up just the right time and kicks
• 1:11:13
  this man's ass like breaks his arm and it's like a really
• 1:11:17
  violent beat down deserved. What do you guys think of this?
• 1:11:22
  I. I think it's really interesting
• 1:11:24
  because I think it highlights more than like in the terms of
• 1:11:26
  the story, yeah, but it highlights an actual societal
• 1:11:31
  problem faced by people with disabilities who this happens to
• 1:11:36
  often, like more often than I think people realize, because
• 1:11:39
  they're very easy to take advantage of and very easy to
• 1:11:42
  discount. So I think it was actually very
• 1:11:44
  interesting to show it because most people don't have Sochi sub
• 1:11:48
  to bust in. That's.
• 1:11:52
  True. Yeah.
• 1:11:52
  And I think we all, we all know what would have happened if she
• 1:11:56
  had been raped, if she had gone to the police, right?
• 1:11:59
  They would have been like, well, you can't ID your right.
• 1:12:02
  Like we know they probably wouldn't do anything even if she
• 1:12:05
  could ID him. But that's going to be the
• 1:12:07
  excuse they used to not even bother looking into it.
• 1:12:10
  Because we can't ruin this man's life based on the fact that you
• 1:12:16
  think you recognized his voice, right?
• 1:12:20
  And that would have been a totally different story with the
• 1:12:22
  Soji sub character just going and murdering the guy and then
• 1:12:24
  it that would. Yeah, I mean, you know, like it
• 1:12:26
  would have been a very different plot possible then.
• 1:12:30
  Then we become a crime thriller then.
• 1:12:32
  We. Become, you know, like midnight
• 1:12:35
  starring Soji sub. Like that's a different energy.
• 1:12:39
  I think it also is supposed to also showing Soji sub what
• 1:12:43
  stakes she has in that they're so much higher, especially when
• 1:12:48
  you kind of tack on when she gets upset with him because
• 1:12:51
  she's like, I'm going to lose my job because it really is.
• 1:12:54
  She has a very few options for a job.
• 1:12:58
  So she can like be on her own and be her own person.
• 1:13:02
  And so it's just like this very compounded thing of like how
• 1:13:05
  much this one thing about her, like really affects her, not
• 1:13:10
  just because she can't see what's out in front of her, but
• 1:13:13
  like she has all these things that could really kind of
• 1:13:16
  destroy her. And that he, having not been
• 1:13:19
  with anybody who is disabled that way, doesn't understand.
• 1:13:24
  Yeah. Yeah, I love when he asks her
• 1:13:27
  why do you put up with the sexual harassment?
• 1:13:30
  Why do you put up with the harassment?
• 1:13:32
  And she says it's because I need to survive.
• 1:13:35
  And I was like, that is very, very powerful of a statement for
• 1:13:40
  her to make and for her to obviously, like you said, get
• 1:13:42
  upset with him because her job is at stake.
• 1:13:45
  This man has more power over her than he anticipated, right, than
• 1:13:51
  soldiers have anticipated. When he came in and started like
• 1:13:54
  swinging the job that she has, she quits it, which I thought
• 1:14:00
  was very interesting. I didn't remember her quitting
• 1:14:02
  her job. So on the rewatch when she says
• 1:14:05
  I quit and she's basically like Take Me Out for the weekend, I
• 1:14:11
  was like, this is interesting. What it the movie doesn't go
• 1:14:15
  into this. If this was AK drama it would
• 1:14:17
  what the hell is she doing? Like how is she supporting
• 1:14:20
  herself? Yeah, I think it was it was sort
• 1:14:22
  of to show that she in a way that her character now trusts
• 1:14:26
  his character cuz he said like I'll, I'll take.
• 1:14:28
  Care of yes. He was like, I'll do it, I'll
• 1:14:30
  take care of you. Yeah, this was like which is
• 1:14:33
  start with her official relationship.
• 1:14:35
  Yeah, right. So it's her way of saying.
• 1:14:37
  I trust you. You're gonna have to take care
• 1:14:40
  of me. Yeah.
• 1:14:41
  All right, Marcelino, let's do this.
• 1:14:43
  Yeah. Marcelino.
• 1:14:46
  He gets her a golden retriever puppy to keep her company and be
• 1:14:50
  her seeing eye dog in the future.
• 1:14:53
  I yeah, couldn't handle it. It was so cute.
• 1:14:59
  Just had a dog into anything. I know.
• 1:15:01
  Yeah, here the little golden retriever puppy like just added.
• 1:15:06
  So cute, so much the story to everything.
• 1:15:10
  It added nothing in everything. Nothing in everything, but I
• 1:15:16
  think it's when he like disable proofed her house, you know, no
• 1:15:20
  more door cells, rounded the table edges, optimized the
• 1:15:24
  furniture layout. And then he installed a window
• 1:15:27
  in her bedroom so she can get sunlight because the one thing
• 1:15:29
  she can see is light, light or the absence of light.
• 1:15:33
  I was like, I might start crying because it was such a a moment
• 1:15:40
  of him understanding her, her struggles, how she needs to live
• 1:15:44
  and how she needs to thrive. Yeah, and also I kind of knowing
• 1:15:49
  that the screenwriter was the screen screenwriter as my
• 1:15:52
  annoying brother and that had the exact like they had a very
• 1:15:55
  similar seen in that one. Because that's also for anyone
• 1:15:59
  who doesn't know also about a brother take a half brother
• 1:16:02
  taking care of his blind recently de blinded younger
• 1:16:06
  brother. And they had the same sort of
• 1:16:07
  like construction zone and. It's also like really symbolic
• 1:16:13
  of where they're both at at that point in the relationship too,
• 1:16:17
  right? Like he is, everything's getting
• 1:16:19
  brighter. Everything in my life, like her
• 1:16:22
  whole apartment looks nicer and brighter and cleaner.
• 1:16:26
  And so does he and so does his life.
• 1:16:29
  And so does like, it's just sort of like a, oh, this is our
• 1:16:32
  turning point. We're we're choosing not to live
• 1:16:36
  in the dark anymore. We're choosing to choose
• 1:16:39
  happiness and light whatever together.
• 1:16:43
  Yes, because even though she is such a bubbly personality and
• 1:16:47
  she it's taking her, her relatively recent blindness very
• 1:16:52
  well, the way that she lives in her apartment is in darkness.
• 1:16:57
  And even when she's sitting there singing to herself by
• 1:17:01
  herself at the beginning of the movie, the apartment is kind of
• 1:17:05
  like a little bit in shambles. Like there's a flood happening
• 1:17:07
  and she doesn't even realize it. So there was room for
• 1:17:11
  improvement definitely in her life.
• 1:17:12
  And then obviously in his life, he was stupid, depressed, and
• 1:17:18
  all he had was the turtle, which, you know, fine, if you
• 1:17:21
  have, if you have a pet, love it for you.
• 1:17:22
  But he needed somebody, right? They both needed each other in
• 1:17:28
  different ways. And they brought, like you said,
• 1:17:32
  Amanda, like so much light into each other's lives.
• 1:17:35
  It was a beautiful little montage of them falling in love
• 1:17:39
  and getting together and living together.
• 1:17:42
  The exchange of the pebbles thing by the river.
• 1:17:45
  I was like, all right, fine. Like let's give each other
• 1:17:46
  rocks. Hey, isn't that just what giving
• 1:17:50
  someone a diamond ring is? Same.
• 1:17:52
  Thing in a sense. In a sense, yeah.
• 1:17:54
  Yeah. The first kiss between them was
• 1:17:56
  51 minutes into the movie. I was like, I got to pause this.
• 1:18:01
  This is 51. Slow burn.
• 1:18:03
  A little bit of slow burn. Yeah.
• 1:18:04
  You know, we'd love to see it and.
• 1:18:07
  You know, it was so tender, like everything between them is just
• 1:18:10
  so tender. And then we get the reveal.
• 1:18:13
  The dramatic, crazy circumstance reveal we were.
• 1:18:19
  Talking about earlier oh, here's a nitpick that I have OK,
• 1:18:23
  because they have all like I said before, there's some
• 1:18:25
  training montages of him getting back into boxing actually not
• 1:18:29
  boxing mixed martial arts. So he wants to be like a
• 1:18:32
  reformed boxer, get into MMA now because that's the friendly
• 1:18:35
  thing that's going to pay the bills.
• 1:18:37
  And at one point his Mickey tells him we spent all of this
• 1:18:42
  effort trying to legitimize ourselves and trying to get into
• 1:18:45
  the league. And then he goes and does this
• 1:18:48
  illegal fight in Thailand. So I was like, OK, why go
• 1:18:52
  through the rigmarole of all of this if.
• 1:18:56
  They wasn't going to give them money as fast.
• 1:18:59
  Yeah, the money wasn't going to come immediately.
• 1:19:01
  The 30 grand was hanging over his head, but it was just like,
• 1:19:06
  okay, his dreams don't matter, his effort doesn't matter.
• 1:19:10
  Like he just basically got into fighting shape so that he could
• 1:19:14
  get shanked on the way back. This shows, you know, that shows
• 1:19:19
  the unpredictability and pointlessness.
• 1:19:22
  It's a very nihilistic situation.
• 1:19:24
  That is true. That is true.
• 1:19:25
  Nothing. Matters working.
• 1:19:27
  Nothing matters. Also, I thought it was a nice
• 1:19:29
  touch that in the night that she gets in the accident with her
• 1:19:34
  parents, they get hit by the white truck of doom.
• 1:19:37
  I was like, oh, the white. I know you.
• 1:19:39
  The white truck. Yeah.
• 1:19:42
  An old friend. Friend.
• 1:19:43
  You know Kim Juan, Hey, just everywhere.
• 1:19:47
  Raccoon your back. Listen, did anyone else almost
• 1:19:53
  throw their phone across a room when the two year time jump
• 1:19:56
  happened? Because for some reason didn't
• 1:20:01
  expect a two year time jump and I'd already seen the movie.
• 1:20:04
  So two years goes by. She is now doing like selling
• 1:20:09
  her custom pottery. She claims that she's married.
• 1:20:14
  And she is a part time like medical masseuse on the side,
• 1:20:20
  like a licensed massage therapist that goes to the
• 1:20:23
  hospital and does like a deed every so often.
• 1:20:26
  And he is in the inpatient facility that she is doing
• 1:20:33
  massages at this afternoon, non verbal with a horrific facial
• 1:20:38
  scar from I don't know what exactly I guess the fall onto.
• 1:20:42
  The I guess the road, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:44
  From the car hitting. Him wasn't.
• 1:20:46
  After they sat him, they roughed up his face a bit.
• 1:20:50
  I completely forgot that he hit got hit by the car.
• 1:20:53
  So I was like, he got stabbed. Why does he have a face scar and
• 1:20:56
  his leg is all messed up? What if we and there was like,
• 1:20:59
  Oh yeah, there was a car he got hit by a car.
• 1:21:02
  I. Really.
• 1:21:03
  I really tried to make sure the job was done and still failed.
• 1:21:07
  So I was like but Rd. rash two years later it looks like that I
• 1:21:13
  just. Again, Yeah, like it looks like
• 1:21:15
  he got burned. And I was like, yeah, remember
• 1:21:18
  him getting. Burned and you missed the the
• 1:21:20
  after scene where they're like OK now set him on fire.
• 1:21:24
  Maybe I cut that out. They're like this.
• 1:21:26
  Is too much. They're like, we can only have
• 1:21:28
  one person burning in this movie.
• 1:21:30
  We can't have two. Yeah, it felt like something was
• 1:21:33
  missing. Like, I miss AB because the
• 1:21:34
  facial scar was kind of like, like too much.
• 1:21:37
  But anyway, she doesn't recognize him.
• 1:21:39
  OK, This is the melodrama of it. She doesn't recognize him
• 1:21:42
  because now she can see, right? She's got her eyesight back and
• 1:21:46
  she's giving him a massage and something does flash across her.
• 1:21:51
  Face. Yeah, there's a brief moment, a
• 1:21:53
  brief. She's like.
• 1:21:54
  I know this back, I've massaged this back before.
• 1:21:58
  I don't know. Again, I don't know how, but
• 1:22:01
  it's the the kismet of it all and he's clenching that fucking
• 1:22:07
  Pebble like his life depends on it because it's been 2 years
• 1:22:11
  he's transferred facilities he's gone through.
• 1:22:14
  But he still has the the rock. He still has that rock.
• 1:22:19
  He's Arthur. Fisting around that rock
• 1:22:20
  wouldn't. Believe I was like, not the
• 1:22:24
  rock, Easy the dog. We would not have a happy ending
• 1:22:29
  without Easy the Golden because easy new clutch.
• 1:22:33
  And the turtle. And the turtle.
• 1:22:35
  And the turtle. The turtle.
• 1:22:36
  The animals are really bringing it this.
• 1:22:39
  Yes, see, we love, we love a good animal sidekick being like
• 1:22:43
  the real dimensional thing. I don't know what his diagnosis
• 1:22:49
  was. I don't know what he was
• 1:22:50
  suffering from. I don't know if he couldn't walk
• 1:22:52
  before. And because her presence
• 1:22:55
  invigorated him, he was like, I'm going to relearn to walk.
• 1:22:58
  After two years, it happened. And he walked out of that
• 1:23:02
  hospital on one crutch, not 2. They gave him one.
• 1:23:06
  OK. They're like, you can only
• 1:23:09
  afford half. I was like OK just give him a
• 1:23:12
  peg leg at this point because why?
• 1:23:14
  This is painful to watch him use the one crutch, but one crutch
• 1:23:19
  makes it to this pottery shop that's selling her pieces.
• 1:23:24
  He buys some night Jasmine, which again, that was the plant
• 1:23:27
  that was in the the parking lot attendant booth that she was
• 1:23:31
  like, you got to feed the night Jasmine once a week or whatever.
• 1:23:34
  Anyway, he buys some night Jasmine in a piece of pottery
• 1:23:37
  that she made, and he takes. He literally robs back.
• 1:23:41
  He steals. His turtle back, he steals his.
• 1:23:43
  Turtle back. It's like that's her turtle now
• 1:23:47
  dude, like. It gets too weird.
• 1:23:49
  Leave. Her some terrific.
• 1:23:51
  Take care of it. Come on.
• 1:23:54
  My forfeited the turtle. Yeah, she's been taking care of
• 1:23:56
  this turtle. Like I feel like in a court of
• 1:23:59
  law that would be considered her turtle.
• 1:24:01
  It would be and matter of fact, she took the turtle to the shop
• 1:24:04
  because she was like, hey, the turtle's not feeling so good, I
• 1:24:06
  need to take it to the vet. Yeah, he's not going to take it.
• 1:24:09
  Kidnapped. Kidnapped and then released into
• 1:24:12
  the wildest sick turtle. That turtle.
• 1:24:14
  Is going. To die.
• 1:24:16
  Dead did not survive. That is a pet shop turtle and
• 1:24:22
  you just released it into the wild.
• 1:24:25
  Listen, when he grabbed the turtle with his bare hands, I
• 1:24:27
  was like, no, those have salmonella.
• 1:24:29
  Oh my God, you just got. Yeah.
• 1:24:31
  Salmonella is the least of this big problem.
• 1:24:38
  He makes it all the way to like that river that they had visited
• 1:24:41
  before and he releases the turtle, but she goes back to the
• 1:24:47
  shop. She forgot something and the dog
• 1:24:49
  is going nuts because they ran into him on the street and the
• 1:24:54
  dog knows the dog recognizes him and once they're back in the
• 1:24:59
  shop and she's like, he bought night Jasmine, he took my
• 1:25:02
  turtle. All bets are off.
• 1:25:04
  Lassie. Where's?
• 1:25:05
  Timmy in the Whale. Timmy in the whale Lassie I
• 1:25:08
  need. To find this man we love a good
• 1:25:12
  dog sidekick like. I forgot how dramatic it was
• 1:25:16
  when she runs out of the shop and tries to run to find him and
• 1:25:20
  she is wailing in the. Streets.
• 1:25:23
  She's so sad. Yeah.
• 1:25:25
  She's so depressed. I forgot.
• 1:25:28
  I I always love those scenes in movies you do because I love
• 1:25:32
  those scenes in movies because I'm like someone would stop and
• 1:25:36
  make. Sure, this woman I.
• 1:25:37
  Would be. Like or at least be like how?
• 1:25:39
  Can I help you? Yeah, she's.
• 1:25:41
  Clutching, scaring me, a Stonewall and screaming.
• 1:25:44
  Culturally, like the way they express grief is a little bit
• 1:25:47
  louder than a lot of that's. True.
• 1:25:49
  A lot like on the street, you might see that sometimes if
• 1:25:53
  someone is going through a moment of grief, yeah, it still
• 1:25:56
  will be Starling and you still would maybe check on on that
• 1:25:58
  person. And it's sort of like, I'm not
• 1:25:59
  disagreeing. All I was going to say was it
• 1:26:02
  might seem super over the top if you're just if you haven't seen
• 1:26:07
  any of the K dramas where it's common in funeral settings and
• 1:26:10
  stuff or when someone is notified of a death and that
• 1:26:13
  there is wailing like it is very common.
• 1:26:16
  Correct. And I think it's a really big
• 1:26:19
  thing emotionally, right? Like she, she probably has even
• 1:26:23
  convinced herself that he's dead.
• 1:26:25
  If he hasn't come back to her, maybe it's because he's dead,
• 1:26:28
  you know, and, and to have this, not only is he alive, he
• 1:26:33
  remembers, he remembers me, he remembers night Jasmine, he he's
• 1:26:37
  there. And it's just probably she's
• 1:26:40
  been holding it all back for so long that now it's broken,
• 1:26:44
  right? And.
• 1:26:45
  It's just also need that coming out, that desperation to be
• 1:26:48
  larger than the amount of people that are on the street as well.
• 1:26:52
  It's like a a common film technique as well.
• 1:26:55
  Just to be like this is how serious this is.
• 1:26:57
  There's swarms of people around and yet she is the loudest and
• 1:27:02
  she is the most present. This is like how much of an
• 1:27:06
  issue finding him is. I almost expected when she fell
• 1:27:11
  sobbing on the wall that like, you know, we had seen him
• 1:27:15
  walking down the stairs or whatever.
• 1:27:17
  I thought maybe he was gonna hear that and come back because
• 1:27:22
  the the sound of her cries was going to be so heartbreaking to
• 1:27:25
  him or something, but sadly, no. Then we get the very pretty.
• 1:27:30
  Dramatic ass murder of a turtle. Unintentional.
• 1:27:36
  Listen, he's unintentionally causing death, lover.
• 1:27:39
  He picks up the salmonella turtle, doesn't know that the
• 1:27:41
  turtle stick, and sticks it in the river.
• 1:27:44
  And it swims away very happily, and that's how we know.
• 1:27:50
  Yes, it's like, oh. Deuces that turtle.
• 1:27:52
  That turtle went on to live a fulfilling turtle life.
• 1:27:55
  It's still there, man. In my head, that's.
• 1:27:57
  Fine. Yeah.
• 1:27:58
  We know that it's visitors, you know, like we won't.
• 1:28:01
  Let it gets what's her face from marrying my husband that's.
• 1:28:04
  Right, that turtle it went to. Japan and and started and.
• 1:28:09
  Had a fulfilling life. Fulfilling life and a Sato
• 1:28:13
  Tacaroo's turtle. Yeah, I see.
• 1:28:15
  We all had a good time. We all had a good time.
• 1:28:16
  It's fine. He just.
• 1:28:18
  I was looking for a new family. It was like I'm tired of this
• 1:28:23
  dog and the sad. Woman literally so boring.
• 1:28:29
  Oh man. But we do.
• 1:28:31
  We get a reunion by the river and she has placed what looks
• 1:28:36
  like the rustiest set of dusk and chairs.
• 1:28:40
  I thought it was a sculpture. Is it a sculpture?
• 1:28:42
  Sculpture that makes way more. Sense like I thought it was a
• 1:28:45
  bronze like sculptures. Cuz yeah, like an art.
• 1:28:47
  Piece. I thought it was an art piece.
• 1:28:48
  An art. Installation way more sense than
• 1:28:50
  just She stuck some chairs out there and they've.
• 1:28:53
  Rusted. I thought it was like.
• 1:28:55
  I thought it was an art piece like.
• 1:28:57
  I thought it was very interesting that the table had
• 1:28:59
  Braille like built into it so that.
• 1:29:01
  Makes a lot of art piece she. Was a sculpture major, I think,
• 1:29:05
  is what she said. That's what she studied in
• 1:29:07
  school, so it stands to reason that, yeah, she might have
• 1:29:12
  sculpted this entire thing. That was one of the other things
• 1:29:16
  that I found a little bit weird about the whole situation,
• 1:29:19
  because I absolutely believe that it would be difficult as a
• 1:29:24
  blind person to continue on with your art in a different way.
• 1:29:28
  But sculpting is sort of the easiest of the art forms that
• 1:29:33
  you you could imagine a blind person continuing this blind.
• 1:29:38
  Like it would be a lot easier than painting or something.
• 1:29:42
  Assumed it was more of like she was still in her interest like,
• 1:29:46
  well, grief and like, also just like she's just finding a way to
• 1:29:50
  live and just like living without like, yeah, normal like
• 1:29:54
  living like money now that you don't have parents that are
• 1:29:56
  gonna help you and that's. Definitely.
• 1:29:59
  Living on your own. I just thought, I mean sort of
• 1:30:01
  harkening back to what Jesse had talked about with the did she
• 1:30:05
  need to not be blind anymore? For sure she could have like
• 1:30:09
  definitely he could have helped support her and it he.
• 1:30:12
  Even had said so right like before he knew that that was a
• 1:30:17
  an option. He was like no, we'll get you
• 1:30:19
  back into your pottery and we'll open a little shop.
• 1:30:22
  He figured she could do it blind, so.
• 1:30:25
  You know. I wonder if the table was like
• 1:30:28
  another scene? There's like more significance,
• 1:30:31
  like maybe. Maybe got cut or something.
• 1:30:33
  For yeah, like it was a table that they found and it was like,
• 1:30:36
  how cool was it that it had Braille or like.
• 1:30:39
  I I always thought they bought it specifically into it whether
• 1:30:42
  it was. A yeah.
• 1:30:43
  Or like they did it together maybe?
• 1:30:45
  It's. I feel like rounded corners.
• 1:30:47
  Oh wait, rounded corners. Did I miss something in the
• 1:30:50
  movie? I assumed it was the Braille
• 1:30:53
  lines that were on her notebook. Yeah, I did.
• 1:30:55
  Romeo and Juliet, Yeah. That's what I as well, yeah.
• 1:30:59
  I just like assumed it was something that like they they
• 1:31:02
  shared that table like a lot like they sat at that river.
• 1:31:06
  And they never had. A lot that we just didn't.
• 1:31:08
  See cause 'cause. Mostly they just sat on a log.
• 1:31:10
  You think it would be like, yeah, this log would have been
• 1:31:12
  the Yeah, yeah, for sure. The miss the see and here here
• 1:31:18
  people are saying this movie is so predictable.
• 1:31:20
  Here we are talking. About mystery you.
• 1:31:23
  Know the mystery of the table and chairs like the enduring
• 1:31:26
  mystery of always like. What's up with this table?
• 1:31:28
  What's? Up with the table and chairs.
• 1:31:30
  If you have a theory or you have answers for us, please let us
• 1:31:34
  know about the table and chairs. But she says her famous line.
• 1:31:38
  I told you I would see your face only.
• 1:31:42
  Why did you let me see only my face?
• 1:31:45
  Because that was something she said before her surgery.
• 1:31:47
  I want to see your face 23 hours out of the day and then one hour
• 1:31:51
  to to look at my face. Yeah, well then, confident
• 1:31:55
  Queen, she knows. She knows, you know.
• 1:31:58
  Yep, she was a confident queen. But I love that moment and the
• 1:32:02
  reunion is is really sweet. But how do you, how do you feel
• 1:32:07
  about it? How do you feel about the
• 1:32:08
  ending? And I did see a couple of
• 1:32:11
  letterbox reviews that were like, we only got 2 seconds of
• 1:32:14
  them together at the end, like the typical, yeah.
• 1:32:18
  You think, my dudes, you got like 40 minutes of them at the
• 1:32:23
  beginning. So that was the.
• 1:32:26
  Story. I don't they're going to change
• 1:32:30
  much like the way that they hang out with each other.
• 1:32:33
  I think they're going to go back to what they were doing, like,
• 1:32:36
  yeah. Like I think it might have been
• 1:32:38
  nice to have, you know, like how some movies will have just like
• 1:32:42
  end credits scenes that sort of run alongside of the credits,
• 1:32:47
  like the scenes of them walking the dog or, you know, like some
• 1:32:51
  of that kind of it would just be nice to have.
• 1:32:55
  But I felt like it it completed. They told me the story it needed
• 1:32:59
  to tell. They found their way back to
• 1:33:01
  each other and see like. I mean, I thought it was nice
• 1:33:05
  they even got a conversation because I I would have been
• 1:33:08
  totally fine with the closure of seeing her make, you know,
• 1:33:11
  finally getting there. And it cuts like I yeah, I.
• 1:33:14
  Would have I mean. Them, them seeing each other's
• 1:33:16
  eyes and. Then like I'm like there's.
• 1:33:18
  You know, far away and that's it.
• 1:33:20
  I I'm, I'm. I was watching it thinking of
• 1:33:23
  the lake house where it's basically they just walk up to
• 1:33:25
  each other and then it's done and you're like.
• 1:33:27
  Yeah, see. What's the rest?
• 1:33:29
  Of the movie I like. It I come, I come.
• 1:33:31
  From Lake House history. Like, I'm totally fine with
• 1:33:33
  like, oh, we got it. OK.
• 1:33:35
  We see each other. Yeah.
• 1:33:36
  We just feel like we don't need it because we already know what
• 1:33:39
  the it's going to be like. We now know that they like saw
• 1:33:42
  each other, so they've like connected and we now know what
• 1:33:45
  their relationship's gonna be. We don't.
• 1:33:47
  Think they're hugging. Like it's not like it's not like
• 1:33:50
  they're just standing staring at each other at the no, they have
• 1:33:53
  a conversation, they hug. Yep, they got a conversation.
• 1:33:55
  What else? Clearly they're going to be
• 1:33:57
  together going forward. Like, yeah.
• 1:34:00
  Clearly, she's not married. Yeah, like that.
• 1:34:02
  Yeah. She was just telling people she
• 1:34:04
  was married. Clearly the pottery guy that
• 1:34:07
  Yeah, no more chances acting. I thought that it applied like
• 1:34:11
  she still considered herself like.
• 1:34:14
  Right married to him. I thought, yeah, and I thought
• 1:34:16
  she was just like kind of doing. That's how I always tell the
• 1:34:18
  whole thing. Like, oh, I'm not don't want to
• 1:34:21
  like even try. Like, yeah, I'm not going to
• 1:34:23
  make it complicated just to be like, I'm not interested
• 1:34:25
  telling. The nice guy.
• 1:34:27
  Listen, I am not there, but I'm also not telling you my whole
• 1:34:30
  story. Yeah.
• 1:34:31
  It's it's in that like I'm not interested, but you're not going
• 1:34:33
  to like question me on it. You know, it's not going to be
• 1:34:36
  like you're going to still pursue me.
• 1:34:38
  Not that like I feel that, but. It's Jim who so like.
• 1:34:41
  It is. I mean girl.
• 1:34:44
  I mean, if she. Needed a secondary person that
• 1:34:47
  was pretty fine. That you should get like a fake
• 1:34:49
  wedding ring so that you won't be hassled as much.
• 1:34:53
  And it's like, it's sad but true 'cause you know, dude, but like
• 1:34:58
  just, you know, if you're traveling alone, just get like a
• 1:35:00
  fake wedding ring and like, you'll be hassled less.
• 1:35:04
  You'll be hassled less. All this to say, we seem to be
• 1:35:08
  all on the same page. We love the ending.
• 1:35:10
  We didn't need more. I don't know.
• 1:35:12
  It was satisfying. It gave you everything it was
• 1:35:14
  going to. I feel like I hit a nerve
• 1:35:16
  though, like talking about people were complaining about
• 1:35:19
  hey we only got like 2 seconds of them being together.
• 1:35:23
  It's not a drama. You you can pick apart this
• 1:35:26
  movie and want it to have more stuff in it and you would have a
• 1:35:29
  drama, but it is a movie, so we can only show so much of what
• 1:35:34
  happens. I mean, I will say the fight was
• 1:35:37
  kind of long. Could have had more time to
• 1:35:39
  maybe do something else fun like build the table.
• 1:35:41
  Like we could have seen what the.
• 1:35:43
  Table was really doing. Yeah, the mystery of the table
• 1:35:45
  couldn't. Say but I.
• 1:35:47
  Know it wasn't and that's. Just that's just it.
• 1:35:50
  I feel like what it's a lot of this stuff was kind of show
• 1:35:53
  don't tell like, and you just have to accept it and roll with
• 1:35:56
  it. Yeah.
• 1:35:56
  And it's a movie, just. It doesn't need it too, like we
• 1:35:59
  don't need to overcomplicate it like things can be complicated
• 1:36:02
  at this level. This is an hour and 48 minutes,
• 1:36:05
  people like what the hell else do you want?
• 1:36:08
  Listen, it is what it is and it told exactly the story that it
• 1:36:12
  needed and it didn't add too much extra because it was like
• 1:36:15
  we're an under 2 hour movie. OK, we're getting you in and
• 1:36:18
  out, let's go. Like, you know, here's the
• 1:36:20
  story. That's fine.
• 1:36:20
  OK, bye. You're just like exactly.
• 1:36:23
  And clearly it has satisfied many, many people for many, many
• 1:36:28
  years at this point. Like they're still making
• 1:36:31
  remakes of it. People are still watching it
• 1:36:33
  like it's. Yeah, it's resonating.
• 1:36:37
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:38
  It's a it's a really like classic setup delivery.
• 1:36:42
  It hits all the beats. It doesn't really feel dated
• 1:36:45
  like no. That's true, actually, yeah.
• 1:36:48
  It it kind of avoided any big aspects that would affect the
• 1:36:51
  plot. There really wasn't anything
• 1:36:52
  that's like, oh Nope. They didn't even ever pop out
• 1:36:56
  their cell phones or anything in it, but it was.
• 1:36:59
  Like so minor. That you but it, it wasn't like
• 1:37:01
  in a way where you were like, Oh my God, look at that little
• 1:37:04
  Nokia Pro brick they have or whatever, right.
• 1:37:07
  Like OK, that's always fun when they in. 2011 I had a
• 1:37:12
  smartphone. Yeah, I was 20, OK.
• 1:37:15
  That's true. It's not.
• 1:37:17
  I mean. That would have been the year I
• 1:37:19
  graduated my first degree and I had I had, I had a smartphone
• 1:37:23
  that had one of those little like the slider, the little.
• 1:37:27
  Slider keyboard. So did I.
• 1:37:28
  I love those. Those are so good.
• 1:37:31
  Too. That was peak design I.
• 1:37:33
  Mean it's gonna be like, when was the first iPhone?
• 1:37:36
  Like it's gonna be around there. It's around there with that
• 1:37:38
  iPhone, yeah, but yeah. I definitely had a little, but
• 1:37:42
  even that like would still, you know, like it would. 2000.
• 1:37:47
  Seven if they spent a lot of time on their phones, it would
• 1:37:50
  feel weird, right? Like it adds to the dating of
• 1:37:54
  things these days, but. Well, we have come to the end of
• 1:38:00
  always, so we are going to wrap it up.
• 1:38:04
  Do you guys have any final thoughts about the movie or the
• 1:38:06
  experience or? Go watch.
• 1:38:09
  Yeah, go watch. It's incredibly easy to find.
• 1:38:11
  It's on Vicki. It's on TV.
• 1:38:13
  It's on. It's everywhere.
• 1:38:14
  It's everywhere. It's everywhere.
• 1:38:16
  It's blessed. To watch it.
• 1:38:18
  It's like it's harder to not find it to find.
• 1:38:23
  It just keep the genre in mind when you're going into.
• 1:38:25
  It it is mellow. Remember, it was from 2011 and
• 1:38:29
  it is a very simple romance mellow.
• 1:38:32
  It's not trying to remake the wheel here.
• 1:38:36
  Nope, It's trying to deliver exactly what it has promised.
• 1:38:40
  Yeah, by the like. If you look at the poster, you
• 1:38:42
  know what you're about to watch. Yeah.
• 1:38:45
  You know what I mean? Like I don't just be prepared
• 1:38:48
  what masterpiece people were expecting, but.
• 1:38:51
  As it is, I think this is like a low key masterpiece.
• 1:38:55
  Like what? Sort of like, you know, film bro
• 1:38:57
  masterpiece. Yeah.
• 1:38:58
  What sort of convoluted art film were they expecting?
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  Like, I don't know, I don't know, but it's never promised to
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  be that so. Anyway, I want to thank you guys
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  so much for taking the time out of your day and watching or re
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  watching this movie for me and talking, you know, intelligent
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  really about it for a while. I want to thank you guys for
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  coming on the show. Where can we find you online?
• 1:39:24
  Whale We have a website, certifiednunas.com where you can
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  listen to all of our episodes. And we're also pretty much
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  everywhere podcasts can be found.
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  And we also we do a video podcast.
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  So we're on YouTube for like the nine people on YouTube.
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  Who love the video? Podcast and also we're on blue
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  sky and Instagram. It's always at certified Nunas
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  one word and yeah, I think that's that's pretty much it.
• 1:39:49
  Nice. So please, please follow
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  certified Nunas and pay close attention to their feeds and
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  everything they're doing. I love listening to you guys,
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  which is it's it's such an like fulfilling, honorable moments
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  like have all of you guys on the show.
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  So this was wonderful. This was so much fun.
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  Hope we can do it again. And that's it.
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  That's our show. I'm Jessica and this has been
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  the Tibaki Rambles podcast. Music.