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Why Glen Rogers Confessed To The Murder Of Nicole Brown Simpson · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: We treat history like a final printed photograph, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, right, yeah, like it's permanent exactly.
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  Speaker 1: You look at it, you see who is in the frame,
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  you see what happened, and you just accept it as
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  this permanent record of reality. But sometimes you find out
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  that what you were looking at isn't a photograph at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's more like a digital file.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, digital file. And someone sitting in a prison cell
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  like thousands of miles away has been quietly messing with
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  the photoshop layers. They're air brushing themselves into the background,
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  manipulating the shadows, and altering the image so convincingly that
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  people actually start to believe the fake version over the original. Okay,
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  let's unpack this, let's do it. Today, we are looking
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  at the collision of two completely, i mean totally different worlds.
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  On one side, we have the defining cultural and legal
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  earthquake of the nineteen.
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  Speaker 2: Nineties, the June nineteen ninety four murders, right the.
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  Speaker 1: Brutal murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, the
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  whole Trial of the Century, and the nineteen ninety five
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  acquittal of OJ Simpson. And then on the exact opposite
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  side of the universe, we have this transient carnival worker.
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  Speaker 2: A guy named Glenn Edward Rodgers.
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  Speaker 1: Glenn Edward Rodgers, Yeah, a man who would eventually become
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  a convicted serial killer known to law enforcement as the
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  Cross Country Killer. And I mean these two narratives had absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing to do with each other until they did.
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  Speaker 1: Right until Rogers, while literally sitting on death row, decided
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  to photoshop himself into the frame and claim that he
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  was the actual Bretwood killer.
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  Speaker 2: Now, to set our parameters clearly for you today, we
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  are not here to act as an appellate court.
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: The sources we're working from and we have a massive
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  stack of them for this deep dive. They treat the
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  legal acquittal in the nineteen ninety five criminal trial as
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  well as the liability established in the civil trial as
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  cemented historical facts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are not like dusting for fingerprints here exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We're not relitigating blood evidence from nineteen ninety four. Instead,
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  our mission is entirely psychological. We are going to dissect
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  the machinery of a mass of audacious.
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  Speaker 1: Lie because it is a massive line.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's huge. We want to understand the mechanics of
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  why a man already facing execution would spend years orchestrating
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  this elaborate campaign to insert himself into the most scrutinized
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  unsolved controversy in American criminal history.
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  Speaker 1: And the sources we're pulling from are incredibly revealing. I mean,
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  we're digging into official court records, statements from the Los
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  Angeles District Attorney's office, expert criminal profiling, and the massive
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  media apparatus that kept this story alive.
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  Speaker 2: The documentaries right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, specifically the twenty twelve Investigation Discovery documentary called My
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  Brother the Serial Killer and a viral twenty twenty three
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  YouTube video that totally resurrected these claims for a completely
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  new generation of people.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is that when you strip away the sensationalism,
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  this ceases to be a true crime story. It becomes
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  this deeply disturbing masterclass in human manipulation. It is a
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  study in how media contamination functions within a prison environment,
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  and it exposes the terrifying calculating lengths a condemned person
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  will go to just to secure a final gasp of relevance.
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  Speaker 1: So let's look at how this bombshell claim actually made
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  its way into the public bloodstream because the delivery mechanism
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  itself is highly suspicious, very suspicious. Yeah. I mean, if
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  a condemned man decides to clear his conscience, the standard
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  procedures pretty straightforward. Right, you have your attorney contacted district attorney.
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  Speaker 2: You sit down with homicide detectives.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, you go on the record, and you provide a formal,
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  legally binding confession. But Glenn Rogers completely bypassed all of that.
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  Speaker 2: He never offered a formal statement to the LAPD never.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, he leaked the narrative piece meal. It was this fragmented,
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  you know, breadcrumb trail of a story that was filtered
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  through his own family members and this criminal profiler named
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  Anthony Meoli.
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  Speaker 2: And the choice of that specific delivery mechanism tells us
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  volumes about his ultimate objective. How so, Well, when an
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  inmate gives a formal recorded confession to law enforcement, they
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  trigger a rigorous adversarial legal process.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the cops are going to interrogate.
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  Speaker 2: You, exactly, the police are going to immediately try to
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  poke holes in it. But when an inmate leaks a
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  sensational story to a documentarian or profiler, they trigger a
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  media circus. Ah, yeah, and in a media circus, the
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  burden of proof is significantly lower and the immediate reward
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  which his attention is guaranteed.
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  Speaker 1: And the narrative he fed to me Oli was like
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  incredibly cinematic. The claim was that OJ Simpson explicitly hired
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  Rogers to break into Nicole's Brentwood condominium, right, and the
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  supposed motive was to steal a pair of diamond earrings
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  valued at around twenty thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a very specific detail to throw in there, very.
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  Speaker 1: Specific, and Rogers made sure to include this highly charged,
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  unforgettable quote. He alleged that during the planning of this burglary,
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  Simpson told him, quote, you may have to kill the bitch.
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  Speaker 2: It is a line engineered for maximum shock value.
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  Speaker 1: It totally is.
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  Speaker 2: It's designed perfectly for a documentary trailer, and Rogers layered
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  it with an abundance of granular details to create an
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  illusion of authenticity.
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  Speaker 1: Right like the key.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, He described the precise location of a hidden spare
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  key outside the condo. He detailed the completely unexpected arrival
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  of Ron Goldman. He even constructed a scenario where Simpson
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  was waiting nearby in a parked car, and then after
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  the horrific violence, supposedly walked through the bloody scene to
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  inspect the bodies.
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  Speaker 1: He went so far as to draw a picture of
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  the murder weapon for Meoli on a piece of paper. Yeah,
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  like he sketched it out. Wow. He also claimed that
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  he painted symbolic makeshift hedgephones marked Ron and Nicole at
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  the scene. I mean, it is a massive, scrawling narrative,
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  But what really stands out in the documentation is that
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  his family essentially acted as his pr firm.
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  Speaker 2: They absolutely did.
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  Speaker 1: His brother, Clay Rodgers stared directly into the camera during
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  that twenty twelve documentary and stated, with absolute, unflinching conviction,
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  he said, I'm absolutely certain that my brother killed Nicole
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  Simpson and Ron.
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  Speaker 2: Goldman and his sister Sue gave extensive television interviews backing
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  this all up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they even introduced this bizarre, macabre prop into
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  the mythology. They claimed Rogers stole a gold angel pin
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  directly off Nicole's body right right, meld it back to Ohio,
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  and that their mother, Edna, actually wore that stolen pin
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  to one of Roger's criminal trial.
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  Speaker 2: Just so elaborate, I am struggling.
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  Speaker 1: To buy into the neatness of this entire setup though
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  it feels like a very dark, incredibly twisted version of
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  Forrest Gump.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you have a transient guy who works at carnivals,
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  and he just magically drifts into the epicenter of the
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  most monumental celebrity scandal of the decade.
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  Speaker 2: Right like he just happens to be there, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: A guy who paints houses and steals cars suddenly gets
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  tapped to run a covert, high stakes assassination errand for
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  the absolute upper echelon of Brentwood, California.
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  Speaker 2: The sociological gap there is massive.
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  Speaker 1: That's insane. How does that connection even begin to formulate?
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  Speaker 2: Well? To determine if your Forest Gump skepticism holds up
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  and the criminal profiler shared that exact same skepticism by
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  the way, oh they did. Yeah, we have to temporarily
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  set the confession aside. We have to look at the historical,
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  verified data regarding who Glen Edward Rogers actually was.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's do that.
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  Speaker 2: We need to examine his pathology, his documented criminal history,
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  and how his brain was wired to commit violence.
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  Speaker 1: Right let's lay out the verified timeline of the man
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  the media later dubbed the Casanova killer Cremakilar. He was
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  born in July nineteen sixty two in Hamilton, Ohio. He
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  was the youngest of seven children.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: His father worked at a local paper mill, but the
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  psychological epicenter of that household was his mother, Edna, And
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  the abuse documented in the sources is beyond severe.
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  Speaker 2: The psychological literature on serial violent offenders points to profound
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  childhood trauma as a catalyst, right, and Rogers's childhood is
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  just a harrowing example of that mechanism at work. We
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  were looking at a child who was physically restrained by
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  his mother starting at the age of three.
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  Speaker 1: Three years old.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, she subjected him to near drownings in the family bathtub.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: In one particularly horrific instance, he was abandoned in a
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  room and actually forced to lick paint off the walls
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  simply to survive.
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  Speaker 1: That is just I mean, that's not just abuse, that's torture.
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  Speaker 2: It is domestic torture, and it was compounded by severe
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  sexual abuse he suffered later during stints and juvenile detention.
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  Right by the time he was thirteen years old. The
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  psychological weight was so crushing that he attempted suicide.
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  Speaker 1: That is a factory for creating a deeply shattered, highly
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  dangerous human being. Absolutely, and the sources show him spiraling rapidly.
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  By his teenage years. He's consuming massive amounts of alcohol,
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  he is addicted to cocaine, and he is pulling burglaries
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  alongside his brother Clay. He actually tends to assimilate into
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  normal society, like he gets married at eighteen, he has children.
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  But you can't just put a lid on that level
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  structural psychological damage.
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  Speaker 2: H Oh, you really can.
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  Speaker 1: The relationship ends in violence. By the early nineteen nineties,
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  he is living entirely off the grid, drifting across the
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  United States, and.
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  Speaker 2: That transient lifestyle is where his verified modus operanda, his
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  MOO truly solidifies. Okay, Understanding the specific machinery of his
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  violence is critical to dismantling his Brentwood claims. Because of
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  his horrific upbringing, Roger's pathology was deeply specific. Well. He
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  was generally considered charismatic and conventionally attractive, and he weaponized
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  that charm in very specific environments, mainly bars and taverns.
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  He was picking people up exactly. His victims were almost
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  exclusively vulnerable women, often single mothers in their thirties, whom
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  he could easily isolate, and.
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  Speaker 1: The sources highlight a chilling physical detail about his victims
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  m He repeatedly targeted women with reddish hair.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a textbook example of psychodynamic re enactment.
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  Speaker 1: Can you explain that?
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  Speaker 2: Sure? When a brain is subjected to relentless, inescapable trauma
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  from a primary caregiver, the suppressed rage doesn't just evaporate,
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  It seeks an outlet. Rogers was subconsciously targeting the physical
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  manifestation of his abuser, his mother, Edna, who had reddish hair.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, so he was hunting his mother basically.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially, yes, he would charm these women, lure them to
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  a secondary, isolated location like an apartment or a motel room,
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  and then the suppressed rage would just detonate. He primarily
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  strangled or stabbed his victims, and in a horrifying echo
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  of his own childhood trauma, he would frequently leave their
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  bodies in bathtubs.
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  Speaker 1: Going back to the near drownings.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly afterward, his post defense behavior was entirely opportunistic. He
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  would steal their cash, take their vehicles, and flee across
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  state lines.
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  Speaker 1: We have concrete, adjudicated cases that match this exact forensic signature.
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  Speaker 2: We do.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety five in Tampa, Florida, he murdered Tina
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  Marie Cribs. He met her in a bar, stabbed her,
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  left her body in a bath too, stole her Forde Festiva,
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  and engage police in a high speed chase. Earlier that
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  same year, in Los Angeles, he murdered Sandra Gallagher. He
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  met her at a bar, strangled her, and then burned
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  her body inside her own truck. Carib authorities also strongly
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  suspected him in the nineteen ninety three slaying of his
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  elderly former roommate in Ohio, Mark Peters, along with several
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  other brutal, opportunistic killings across the southern United States.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, his pattern was very established, right.
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  Speaker 1: But here's where it gets really interesting. Let me pause
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  you there, because the discrepancy between the crimes you just
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  outlined and the Bretwood murders is massive.
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  Speaker 2: It's huge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you are describing a bar predator, a guy who
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  uses alcohol and charm to isolate vulnerable women, explodes in
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  a fit of disorganized rage, steals their car to fund
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  his escape and runs. Wait, couldn't the promise of a
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  massive payout like twenty thousand dollars for a pair of
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  diamond earings be enough to make a barroom predator temporarily
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  change his tactics and attempt a highly organized, targeted burglary.
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  I mean, serial killers evolve, don't they They do.
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  Speaker 2: Serial killers can't evolve in their sophistication, but they rarely
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  abandon their core psychological signatures. Okay, especially not for a
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  purely financial motive when their primary driver is deep seated rage.
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  When you analyze the forensic realities of the Bundee Drive
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  crime scene, it is an entirely different species of violence.
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  Different well, Brentwood involved a prolonged, highly physical, savage knife
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  struggle against two fit, younger individuals in an open outdoor space.
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  Speaker 1: Right very public.
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  Speaker 2: Rogers's verified murders involved isolating a single victim behind closed doors. Furthermore,
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  at the Brentwood scene, there was no sexual assault, and crucially,
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  there was no vehicle theft or opportunistic robbery, which was
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  his whole thing exactly. That was Rogers's signature method of
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  funding his transient lifestyle. He always took the car. The
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  behavioral profile simply do not align. However, while the forensic
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  m was a complete mismatch, the environmental context of Los
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  Angeles in nineteen ninety four provided Rogers with a tiny,
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  incredibly potent sliver of plausibility.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're listening to this and thinking why
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  would anyone believe a guy whose criminal history looks absolutely
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  nothing like the Brentwood murders, you really have to remember
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  what it felt like to live in America during that time.
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  Speaker 2: The atmosphere was intense.
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  Speaker 1: The cultural atmosphere following the nineteen ninety five acquittal was volatile.
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  I mean, the legal system delivered a not guilty verdict,
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  but the public was left reeling. People were deeply and
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  bitterly divided. Yeah, that had created a massive, agonizing void
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  of closure and conspiracy theorists thrive in a.
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  Speaker 2: Vacuum, they really do.
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  Speaker 1: People were obsessively dissecting rumors of an unidentified second set
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  of footprints. They were fixated on sightings of a mysterious
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  white Ford Bronco in the area, and there were endless
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  swirling whispers about a hypothetical second killer.
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  Speaker 2: And when a society experiences a massive cultural trauma and
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  the official resolution feels inadequate or unsatisfying, human psychology demands
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  an alternative narrative.
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  Speaker 1: We need a story that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: We crave a story that resolves the cognitive dissonance. Glenn Rogers,
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  sitting in his cell years later, recognized that societal hunger.
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  Speaker 1: He saw the void.
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  Speaker 2: He realized that his own actual timeline contains surface level
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  coincidences that could be weaponized to feed that hunger.
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  Speaker 1: Let's look at those coincidences, because they are the raw
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  materials he used to build the lie. Rogers genuinely was
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  living in southern California in nineteen ninety four. He was
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  and the aftermath of the devastating northro Ach earthquake. He
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  was out there working transient construction and painting jobs. And
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  one of the foundational claims of his narrative is that
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  a painting contract allegedly placed him on the Simpson property. Furthermore,
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  the vehicle Rogers was documented as driving during that specific
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  period was a white pickup truck.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if we connect this to the bigger picture, what
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  we are observing here is a phenomenon known in investigative
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  psychology as confession contamination.
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  Speaker 1: Confession contamination.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, prison environments are heavily saturated with media. Inmates have
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  endless access to television, newspapers, and true crime broadcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Right, they watch TV all day.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, An isolated inmate absorbs massive quantities of publicly available
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  information about a high profile case, the timelines, the rumored evidence,
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  the geographic details. Over time, they consciously or subconsciously weave
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  those public facts into their own narrative, regurgitating them to
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  authorities or documentarians as if they possess exclusive insider knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: It makes me think of how a psychic performs a
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  cold reading on a vulnerable audience.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a perfect analogy, right.
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  Speaker 1: The psychic stands on stage and throws out highly generalized
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  statements like I am seeing the letter M I am
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  sensing someone with a connection to water.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just vague enough.
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  Speaker 1: They throw out these broad, ambiguous details, and the audience,
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  because they so desperately want to believe in the illusion,
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  does all the heavy cognitive lifting. The audience connects the
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  dots themselves exactly. Basically executed a massive cold reading on
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  the American public. He threw out the reality of his
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  white truck and a vague Brentwood painting job, and he
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  let the documentarians, the media, and a public desperate for
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  a tidy alternative just fill in the blanks.
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  Speaker 2: That is exactly how the machinery of the life functioned.
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  He draped the heavily publicized facts of the Simpson case
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  over the mundane realities of his own life in nineteen
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  ninety four.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But a.
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  Speaker 2: Compelling narrative and a few surface coincidences eventually have to
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  withstand the rigorous, unforgiving light of forensic science. They do
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  to separate the cold reading from reality, investigators have to
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  look at the hard physical evidence, and when the authorities
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  applied forensic pressure to Glenn Rodgers' claims, the entire structure
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  collapsed immediately.
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  Speaker 1: Let's look at how the authorities actually reacted to this,
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  because they did not mince words at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: The LAPD both when the documentary aired in twenty twelve
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  and in the years following, categorically refused to reopen the
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  investigation base on Rodgers' claims.
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  Speaker 2: They shut it down completely.
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  Speaker 1: Their official stance was unequivocal. They stated they already knew
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  who killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, and they
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  had zero reason to believe Rogers was ever involved. Fred Goldman,
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  Ron's father, was publicly outraged, calling the claims completely irresponsible
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  and reminding the public that a mountain of physical evidence
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  pointed to one specific individual.
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  Speaker 2: And the prosecutor who actually put Rogers away in California
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  for the Sandra Gallagher Motor Assistant District Attorney Pat Dixon
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  went on the record to explicitly state that the Brentwood
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  crimes simply didn't fit Rogers's established pattern.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't fit at all.
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  Speaker 2: And when you look for the hard data, the DNA,
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  the fingerprints, the phone wreckerds, establishing any kind of communication
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  between Rogers and OJ Simpson or Nicole Brown Simpson, the
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  result is an absolute void nothing. There is zero credible
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  physical link.
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  Speaker 1: And I am looking at the logistical details he provided
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  to the profiler, Anthony me Oli, and they actually contradict
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  the established facts that the cause.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they really do.
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  Speaker 1: Rogers claimed that Ron Goldman arrived at the condo and
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  interrupted a burglary in progress, but the timeline and the
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  physical evidence heavily suggest Goldman was simply dropping off a
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  pair of eyeglasses that had been left at a restaurant, right.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a botch tyst exactly.
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  Speaker 1: What about the physical evidence Rogers supposedly provided the drawing
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  of the murder weapon.
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  Speaker 2: That drawing holds absolutely no evidentiary weight. Why not, given
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  the phenomenon of confession contamination we just talked about, he
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  could have easily sketched that knife based on the endless
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  wal to wall television coverage of the trial that saturated
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  every prison in America.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, of course he probably saw it on the news
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  one hundred times exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And the gold Angel pin, the macabre prop his family pushed,
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  remains entirely unbeverified. It is pure hearsay, really no proof
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  at all none. No independent law enforcement agency has ever
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  been able to confirm that the pin worn by Edna
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  Rodgers originated from Nicole Brown Simpson.
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  Speaker 1: And we really have to look at the credibility of
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  the messenger here too. When Rogers was finally apprehended by
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  authorities in Kentucky in nineteen ninety five, he sat down
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  with homicide detectives and brazenly bragged that he was responsible
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  for the murders of roughly seventy women across the country.
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  Seventy victims seventy, But then, almost as quickly as he
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  said it, he completely recanted the confession. He claimed it
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  was all just a joke to mess with the police,
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  and insisted he was entirely innocent of all charges. He
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  had a demonstrated, documented history of wildly inflating his body
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  count purely for the shock value.
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  Speaker 2: But the ultimate irony of using the justice system as
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  your own personal stage is that eventually the psychological motives
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  become incredibly transparent. Right if his forensic mo is a mismatch,
• 19:45
  if the physical evidence is entirely non existent, if his
• 19:49
  logistical timeline contradicts the known facts, and if he has
• 19:52
  a documented history of lying to authority, well, I say
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  it at all exactly. We are left with the most
• 19:56
  important question of this entire deep dive. Why why would
• 20:01
  a condemned man construct this incredibly specific, highly elaborate, meticulously
• 20:07
  marketed lie about this exact case.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Well, the psychological literature in the sources breaks this down
• 20:12
  into five distinct, overlapping motivations. Wow, this isn't just about
• 20:16
  a guy wanting to be famous.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: No, It's way deeper than that.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: It is a complex web of survival tactics, ego and
• 20:22
  financial manipulation. Yeah, let's start with the foundation ego and grandiosity,
• 20:27
  which ties directly back to his horrific childhood trauma.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: When an individual is subjected to the kind of profound
• 20:33
  powerlessness that Roger's experienced as a child, you know, being restrained, tortured,
• 20:37
  and sexually abused, the psyche often develops pathological grandiosity as
• 20:42
  a defense mechanism. It is a desperate attempt to reclaim
• 20:45
  the power that was stolen from them. We see this
• 20:48
  pattern repeatedly in the annals of true crime. Serial killers
• 20:51
  are deeply narcissistic. They crave a terrifying legacy. Think of
• 20:54
  Henry Lee Lucas, who famously confessed to hundreds of completely fabricated,
• 20:58
  unsolved murders simply because he loved the attention.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, didn't the cops bring him food?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Exactly? He loved that the Texas Rangers were bringing him
• 21:06
  milkshapes and treating him like an oracle.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Rogers wanted that exact same treatment. When his initial brag
• 21:12
  about seventy victims failed to cement his legacy, he needed
• 21:16
  a bigger stage.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Much bigger.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Taking credit for the deaths of an everyday person at
• 21:21
  a bar makes you a low level predator, but claiming
• 21:24
  you are the shadowy hit man who took down the
• 21:26
  ex wife of a global celebrity.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: That changes everything.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Claiming you outsmarted the LAPD, the FBI, and the entire
• 21:33
  American judicial system during the trial of the century, that
• 21:37
  completely rewrites his narrative. It elevates him from an opportunistic
• 21:40
  drifter to a master manipulator.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And the profiler, Anthony Meuli offered a deeply unsettling observation
• 21:48
  regarding this grandiosity.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: What did you say?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Mealy suggested, quote, I believe that Glenn believes he killed them.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: This implies that Rogers repeated the lie so frequently and
• 21:57
  required the ego validation so desperately that the boundary between
• 22:01
  his actual memories and his fabricated narrative completely dissolved. He
• 22:05
  internalized his own delusion.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: But ego isn't just about feeling powerful in a prison environment.
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  It is often tied directly to physical survival. Yes, very practically,
• 22:15
  I'm struggling to see how confessing to a double homicide
• 22:18
  helps you survive. But the sources point to a very
• 22:22
  specific legal mechanism, which is strategic delay. M HM. How
• 22:27
  does claiming a crime in California actually help a guy
• 22:31
  sitting on death row in Florida.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: It is a brilliant, albeit cynical piece of legal gamesmanship.
• 22:37
  At the time these claims were escalating, the State of
• 22:40
  Florida was actively preparing the machinery to execute.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Him, so the clock was ticking Houtly.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Assistant DA Pat Dixon Astutey noted that claiming responsibility for
• 22:50
  the Simpson murders was a highly calculated maneuver to stall
• 22:53
  the lethal injection.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Well, because they have to investigate.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Exactly if the State of California decided to take his
• 22:58
  claim seriously, they would have to she had an investigation.
• 23:01
  They might even have to extradite him across the country
• 23:03
  for hearings. Yea, all of that legal red tape forces
• 23:07
  Florida to issue a stay of execution.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? It reminds me of
• 23:11
  being trapped in a frustrating customer service phone tree. Huh right,
• 23:15
  You know when you call a massive corporation and you
• 23:18
  just want to talk to a human being, So you
• 23:20
  start mashing the zero key and shouting into the receiver
• 23:23
  and pressing every random button.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: You can find, just trying to get a reaction.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: You don't actually care what the buttons do. You're just
• 23:29
  making as much noise as possible to keep the automated
• 23:32
  system from hanging up on you.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: That's a perfect way to describe it.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Rogers was mashing the buttons of the American judicial system.
• 23:40
  He threw out seventy victims, he threw out the Simpson murders,
• 23:43
  he filed appeals citing repressed childhood memories. He was just
• 23:48
  generating relentless legal noise to delay the inevitable hang up.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: And while he was mashing those buttons to delay his execution,
• 23:55
  he was simultaneously pressing buttons that generated revenue and relevance
• 23:59
  for his family.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: All right, the money aspect.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: This brings us to the third and fourth intertwined motivations,
• 24:06
  financial incentives and opportunism. We have to acknowledge the massive
• 24:11
  lucrative economy of true crime.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: It's a huge industry.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: A documentary like My Brother the Serial Killer airs to
• 24:18
  millions of viewers. True crime narratives generate significant revenue, book deals,
• 24:22
  and media speaking fees.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: His brother, Clay, who the sources note had his own
• 24:28
  complex criminal background, and his sister Sue were not passive
• 24:32
  observers in this not at all. They actively marketed the narrative.
• 24:35
  They were the ones narrating the documentaries, pushing the story
• 24:39
  of the stolen angel pin and keeping the media cycle churning.
• 24:43
  By feeding this incredibly salacious, highly marketable lie to his family,
• 24:48
  rogers provided them with financial opportunities and cultural relevance.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: And in return, that media relevance ensured that his family
• 24:54
  maintained constant contact with him. It prevented him from being
• 24:57
  forgotten in an isolation cell. He used the the surface
• 25:00
  coincidences of his life, the opportunism of being a painter
• 25:03
  in la with a white truck, to build a product
• 25:06
  that his family could sell to the public.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Which culminates in the final most profound motivation, yes, psychological control.
• 25:12
  A death row cell is an environment specifically engineered to
• 25:16
  strip a human being of every single ounce of autonomy.
• 25:19
  You do not decide what you eat, you do not
• 25:21
  decide when you sleep, and you do not decide when
• 25:23
  the lights turn off.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: You have zero agency.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Zero physical agency. But if you can manipulate the narrative, exactly.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: If you cannot control your physical body, you attempt to
• 25:33
  control the reality of the outside world, fabricating a starring
• 25:37
  role in the defining cultural event of the nineteen nineties,
• 25:40
  was the only remaining avenue for Glenn Rodgers to exercise power.
• 25:44
  From a concrete cage in Florida, he managed to make
• 25:47
  journalists write articles about him, He made documentarians spend hundreds
• 25:51
  of thousands of dollars investigating him, and he forced the
• 25:54
  District Attorney of Los Angeles to publicly address his lies.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: That is a staggering exertion of psychological control from a
• 26:00
  man who legally had none.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: But the ultimate irony of using the justice system to
• 26:05
  stall your death is that eventually the clock runs out.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: The delay tactics only work for so long.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: The system stopped listening to the noise, the legal appeals
• 26:14
  were exhausted, and the reality of his sentence was carried out.
• 26:18
  Despite the documentaries, despite his family's media blitz, and despite
• 26:23
  the endless online speculation, the state of Florida finally hung
• 26:27
  up the phone yeah. On May fifteen, twenty twenty five,
• 26:30
  at the age of sixty two, Glenn Edward Rogers was
• 26:34
  executed by lethal injection.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And his final moments were a testament to his unrelenting
• 26:38
  commitment to manipulation what happened. The sources note his last
• 26:42
  meal consisted of pizza and chocolate cake, but it was
• 26:45
  his last words that truly encapsulated his pathology.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: What did he say?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Even as the lethal chemicals were being prepared, he refused
• 26:52
  to offer any clarity or closure. His final words were quote,
• 26:56
  I know there's a lot of questions that you need
• 26:57
  answers to. I promise you in the near future of
• 26:59
  the questions will be answered.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: It is the ultimate toxic cliffhanger, perfectly said. He knows
• 27:04
  definitively that there is no sequel, but he is still
• 27:08
  trying to produce a trailer. He offers no admission of guilt,
• 27:12
  no remorse for the women he actually murdered, just a vague,
• 27:15
  cryptic promise of future revelation, designed entirely to keep people
• 27:20
  talking about him after he is dead.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: It is pure unfiltered manipulation right up to his final breath.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: This raises an important question, though, why does the culture
• 27:29
  continue to hold onto the line when the authorities have
• 27:32
  hung up?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Because they do, people still talk about it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Because even after his execution, the echo chamber of the
• 27:38
  Internet refuses to let this narrative die. The sources highlight
• 27:42
  that in twenty twenty three YouTube videos dissecting his confession,
• 27:45
  we're still racking up massive views. Yeah, TikTok. Creators are
• 27:49
  still analyzing the white truck theory. In twenty nineteen, a
• 27:52
  feature film titled The Murder of Nicole Brown Simpson actually
• 27:56
  dramatized Rogers's version of events, further blurring the critical boundary
• 28:00
  between factual history and opportunistic fiction.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I want to talk directly to you, the listener for
• 28:05
  a second. Think about the true crime shows you listen to,
• 28:09
  the documentaries you binge on a Friday night. We all
• 28:12
  inherently love a good mystery.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: We do.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: We are culturally conditioned to desire a twist ending, a
• 28:18
  hidden mastermind, a cinematic resolution. But are we sometimes guilty
• 28:23
  of wanting that movie plot ending so badly that we
• 28:27
  willingly ignore the obvious, factual, often tragic truth standing right
• 28:31
  in front of us.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: That's a great point.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Do we elevate the lies of serial predators simply because
• 28:37
  their lies offer a more entertaining narrative than the brutal
• 28:40
  reality of domestic violence?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: It is a necessary and uncomfortable self reflection for anyone
• 28:45
  who engages with this genre. The tragic reality of the
• 28:48
  Brentwood murders is rooted in an overwhelming mountain of physical
• 28:51
  evidence and a history of domestic abuse, but acknowledging that
• 28:55
  reality is deeply painful, especially when it involves a beloved
• 28:58
  cultural icon. The fantasy of a shadowy cross country hit
• 29:02
  man is perversely easier for some people to digest. But
• 29:05
  when we prioritize the entertainment value of a narrative over
• 29:08
  its factual foundation, we become entirely complicit in the contamination
• 29:13
  of history.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Let's recap the intense journey we've taken today. We started
• 29:17
  by looking at a brutal, nation stopping series of crimes
• 29:21
  in nineteen ninety four that left a massive, agonizing void
• 29:24
  of public closure. Yes, we examined how a deeply traumatized,
• 29:28
  highly manipulative predator named Glenn Rogers recognized that cultural void
• 29:33
  and attempted to exploit it. We dissected the horrific abuse
• 29:37
  of his childhood, the opportunistic reality of his verified mo
• 29:41
  and the absolute lack of forensic evidence connecting him to
• 29:44
  the events in Brentwood.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: And the conclusion drawn by the exhaustive source material is
• 29:49
  unequivocal Glenn Rogers's confession was not an act of a
• 29:52
  guilty conscience seeking redemption, not at all. It was a calculated,
• 29:56
  multifaceted act of psychological warfare. It was born of a
• 29:59
  mind onnumental ego, a strategic legal desire to delay his execution,
• 30:03
  and a pathological need to exert control over a world
• 30:06
  that had permanently locked him away. His claims alter absolutely
• 30:10
  nothing about the established facts of who killed Nicole Brown,
• 30:13
  Simpson and Ron Goldman. However, his incredibly audacious lie reveals
• 30:18
  everything we could ever need to know about the dark,
• 30:21
  calculating psychology of Glenn Rodgers, which.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Leads me with one final thought for you to carry
• 30:25
  with you. We have spent this deep dive observing how
• 30:29
  a single documentary, a handful of YouTube algorithms, and a
• 30:32
  few family interviews can take a blatant, self serving lie
• 30:36
  from a condemned serial killer and keep it actively pumping
• 30:39
  through the cultural bloodstream for well over a decade.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: It's pretty wild.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: It forces you to wonder in our modern true crime ecosystem,
• 30:47
  where attention literally equals money, where clicks, views, and engagement
• 30:51
  drive the narrative. Yeah, are we unintentionally building an infrastructure
• 30:55
  that financially and culturally incentivizes killers to lie from behind bars.
• 31:00
  Are we transforming the justice system and the profound tragedies
• 31:03
  of actual victims into nothing more than a perpetual content
• 31:06
  creation machine.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: It is a profound and unsettling question that we all
• 31:09
  need to consider the very next time a bombshell confession
• 31:12
  starts trending on our feeds.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Because sometimes that concrete foundation of history is actually just quicksand,
• 31:18
  and the people selling us the map are the exact
• 31:21
  same people who laid the trap. Thank you so much
• 31:24
  for joining us on this deep dive. It has been
• 31:26
  a heavy one, but a vital one. Stay curious, stay
• 31:29
  appropriately skeptical, and we will see you next time.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Take care, everyone,