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Random Heathen Ramblings: S2, EP 4 - Music, Mushrooms, Mysticism, & Mythology w/ Ryan Clackner. · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Got a neat kind of impromptu guests lined up for us today,
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  here on today's episode. This, this guest kind of just
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  don't know, like, we don't talk much on a regular basis but we
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  recently just had like a A random conversation over
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  Facebook and said, hey man, do you ever listen to my podcast?
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  You ever think about coming on as a guest?
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  He was like a really don't know, you know, don't really listen to
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  podcasts that much but kind of a neat guy and I'm hoping that
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  between our history together. How we met you know which was
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  through the music scene. Actually some years ago and
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  maybe today in today's podcast that will get to know each other
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  a little bit more. So you know he's definitely a an
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  interesting fella in terms of The mystery surrounding him.
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  Maybe that's just me being me right now because like, we don't
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  talk that much. I don't have a lot of great
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  dealings with him, but I don't know.
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  He just has this kind of like Aura of mystery about him and
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  when you guys see him today, for those that are watching on the,
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  you know, video platforms for this podcast, you'll kind of see
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  what I mean. He's just, he's got this really,
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  you know, awesome wizardly demeanor in this Orange.
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  Stuff about him and I'm hoping that we get to learn a little
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  bit more overall. He's a musician.
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  We're actually going to listen to like a like a demo of a song
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  for one of his many projects. He's got several here in the
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  Middle Tennessee area that I'm aware of at least.
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  He also manages a believe his own label has and has put out a
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  number of songs and albums are EPS.
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  I can't remember all of which we're going to get into talking,
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  you know, about some of that stuff here when he comes on.
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  But before he does I want you guys to listen to this.
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  This is a, this is a track that is currently.
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  It's in like a demo stage, right?
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  But it's I don't know, it's really, really gnarly.
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  And this is just kind of like covers.
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  Just the scratching of the surface level.
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  So you know today we don't know yet what we're going to be
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  getting into, we're going to be talking about some of his music.
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  We're going to be talking about why he's on a heathen podcast.
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  He actually owns a set of rooms that I made years ago.
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  I one of the very first Rune sets that I sold during the
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  Nashville Pagan Pride event which is an annual event.
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  The first year that I was a vendor there and selling some
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  wood Burned crafts at my wife and I made one of the Rune sets
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  that I had for sale there, he purchased and that's kind of
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  the, the way the conversation started with us just the other
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  day. Like you know, we follow his
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  stuff on social media, he follows me but likes the
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  conversation that we had randomly the other day was hey
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  man, you know, I still have your runes and I still work with them
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  and you know, the rooms that I bought from you rather the ones
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  that you may die. I still have them and and
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  whatnot, and it was just a really touching thing to hear,
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  from someone who I don't have regular conversations with, but
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  that still nonetheless felt it, you know, expedient to let me
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  know that the the thing that I, you know, made not necessarily
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  for them but that they, you know, purchased through me is is
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  serving them, well, in his and that they're, they're able to
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  find good use for them. You know, so without further Ado
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  guys, I'm going to introduce his name is Ryan, by the way, Ryan
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  kleckner. And so for any like the Middle,
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  Tennessee folks that are listening and watching some of
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  the bands that have come through, Ryan's mind.
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  You know, his mind child is aware of the project he's been
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  involved in will hopefully be aware of but yeah, this this
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  song that I want to just play with you before we get him on
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  here, this is Attract that he's demoing currently he just shared
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  it a couple of days ago for a band or for a project called
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  existential dread and it's slow kind of droney Doom metal you
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  think of bands like son stuff like that.
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  I think you guys will if you're into that sort of thing.
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  You'll you'll really dig this. But anyway this is that demo
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  idea you share it on social media.
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  So it's It's out here for the for the listening enjoyment of
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  everyone and anyone. So let's take a listen to it
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  real quick, and then welcome in Ryan kleckner to the show today.
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  So here we go. All right, all right.
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  Yes, that was that was a track guys.
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  And gals out here. Listen and watch.
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  And that was a track. Like, I mentioned before, from
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  one of Ryan's projects and existential dread.
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  Now, I've got Ryan kleckner here and like I mentioned to you
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  guys, when you see this, man, when I told you before that, you
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  know, a very wizardly looking gentlemen.
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  Ryan, welcome to the podcast. My man, thanks for joining us.
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  Thank you for having me. Yeah, and So like I said, you
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  know, the guy reminds me and you've probably heard this a lot
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  Ryan. Just like the wizard aspect, you
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  kind of look like Saruman in his prime.
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  You're getting getting some of that gray going on in the beard
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  but you've probably also heard of the this may not be as
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  flattering, but the Rasputin, I've been through.
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  I've been telling people for years, it's a total.
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  I've been saying it for a long time.
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  I've got that dude, I'm armed to the appropriate.
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  You're not, you're not a sex position.
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  Are you or maybe a sex magician? It was he known for something
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  like that in the Romano of Dynasty or whatever?
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  He was like a, he was a weird fellow.
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  He had all kinds of weird things going on angles, for sure.
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  Yeah, but yeah man, thanks for coming on the show today and
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  just talking about whatever, right?
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  We've got some, we got plenty of time to just kind of wrap about
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  things but Um, for those that were, you know, listening and
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  watching today, the music side of things.
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  If it's cool. Like we listen to a brief demo
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  version of something from existential dread now.
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  That is, is that one of your projects or is that something
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  that you're producing? No, it's mine.
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  Okay, and you've gotten a number of them, right?
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  Like you're not you kind of a all kinds of stuff going on at
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  the same time. Multiple He's right.
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  Yeah. Existential was so, so last
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  year, I started a little label called Moonlight Cyprus
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  archetypes Which was sort of I had stunt L as I'm sure you
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  remember and then yeah, kind of turned into primeval and
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  existential dread started back somewhere in there.
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  For five years ago, took me forever to get the album done
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  and I just was kind of at a loss for ideas and So eventually.
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  With, you know, the pandemic and the attendant free time, that
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  came with, it giving me an open door that ended up becoming.
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  Actually the second album that I released on the new label last
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  year. So, what you heard the demo that
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  is It's just a demo of ideas that will eventually get
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  recorded properly for the second album, which I think at this
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  point, it's probably going to have to wait until 2023 anyways,
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  but it's just something that I felt inspired to explore kind of
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  an idea where the first album I feel like in some ways it kind
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  of missed the mark like I was to head my head too.
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  Full of like black metal and shit like Ike.
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  Couldn't like slow down enough to do something that open.
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  And so like what you played in the The Interpreter is all along
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  the idea for existential dread was this way of trying to
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  musically conjure up the Badlands, which is a place that
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  I went to First on tour. And then I had a experience
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  where I went up there alone camping about I think it was
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  four years ago, so and had a pretty mystical, for lack of a
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  better word experience there. It's pretty impossible to be
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  alone in a place like that and not B.
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  Extremely aware of why a place like that would have
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  significance to the native populations that were there.
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  Previously and still are there much more than they are in our
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  part of the world. And and I still am kind of
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  working through it. Like the I want to be up there
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  for that like I had a friend in in the middle of Nebraska who I
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  went and stayed with him, he tattooed my chest and then I
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  went up there and just had this Quest of sorts where I just
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  wandered around alone and let me mad.
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  It was incredible hard to put into words really, and yeah, I
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  actually had something similar to that on a smaller scale, but
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  on a like, we talked about, like mystical experiences.
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  I would say that it was a shamanic journey of sorts,
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  right? Because there was was the
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  incorporation of Elements that help get me there, you know?
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  And if that's the same thing that we're talking about, if
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  we're touching on the same kind of Wavelengths here than I then
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  I know a bit about what you're talking about unless I'm unless
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  I'm like Way Off the Mark here. Well, my friend there initiated
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  me into what I have. Kind of jokingly.
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  I lovingly referred to as the cult of the mushroom.
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  Yep. I had previously not been
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  exposed to a couple of fun guys. We are.
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  Yeah and it definitely you know, in retrospect, I think flavored
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  the experience and it was a very Shamanistic is is definitely a
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  word that I would use I can recall a Time wall.
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  And basically in the middle of that time that I was there
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  again, being aided by Interstellar travel devices of a
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  humble nature that Sit, I had found this.
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  I wouldn't call it a mountain and it wasn't technically one of
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  the you know, sharp escarpments as we, you know, tend to see the
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  Badlands or visualize them, a very Steep Hill.
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  Basically to just like I was in the wilderness section which is
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  like. So if you're familiar with the
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  South Dakota Badlands, there's a Wilderness section and then and
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  it doesn't have a gate and I was just like man I'm just not
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  paying the twenty dollar gate see I'm just going to go in
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  there and that's where they said the bus.
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  Lower and there's no people and I sleep, that's definitely not
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  good, you know, people Buffalo. Sure.
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  Okay. For like five miles going in,
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  you know, I was like yeah, that's that's definitely what
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  I'm doing so I you know, I find this place and I go and I climb
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  up it, I sit there and you know, like true to form and that kind
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  of experience. I felt the uncontrollable urge
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  to To take off at least my shirt that has an in November and
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  we're talking about South Dakota my so it's cold and I had my
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  experience in November and it was in Tennessee but I mean it
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  was on a night where it got down until like the teens and 20s.
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  Yeah, it's like that man. I never felt it.
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  I never felt warmer in my life and it was one of these things
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  where you know out there the sky is bigger so to Oh yeah.
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  And I'm sitting on this cliff and I can tell the way the
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  clouds are moving, but if I look back that there is going to be a
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  definite point in time where there will be no more clouds,
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  and it's just like, of course, that's a Full Moon night, not
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  plant, okay? It just happened.
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  And that's also like the 50th time in my life that that had
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  happened up to that point, which was was already now, four years
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  ago, but anyway, and I'm sitting there and I just know that,
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  like, if I just sit here and just Wait it out that I'll have
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  some kind of like revelatory moment and it will be just me
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  and the open Prairie and the Badlands and the full moon and
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  that's it. Like the world is gone.
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  I knew it. So I just waited and I think
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  actually took like at least an hour you know, and when the moon
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  finally came all the way out It produced some kind of.
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  You know, like some people, I felt like a DMT experience or
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  something, some kind of like third eye thing where I could
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  tell that it was there was psychic movements happening that
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  I was not I wasn't making it happen.
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  Yeah it it Loose into something in there and I can still
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  remember it. Like it happened yesterday,
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  though. I would, I think I would do a
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  pretty shit job of trying to explain it.
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  I can feel it so to speak in my body.
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  Like I can feel the memory, you know, now that this happened
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  this past November. No, no, this is for years ago
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  now the okay. Yeah.
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  So I've been so to take it home existential.
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  Dread is is like forever going to be associated with that in my
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  mind because I had already started it.
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  I had conceived of it, in the Badlands on a, on a stump tail.
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  Tore, should probably six or seven years ago, we actually had
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  to camp in the Badlands we played in Montana, and then the
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  next gig was over in like, Bismarck or something.
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  Just took forever to there was no way we were going to get all
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  the way across. Yeah.
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  So we just stopped and cowboy camped in Medora North Dakota
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  and like we didn't even have tents or anything.
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  We were just literally sleeping on the ground.
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  Like why is that? That was the initial idea for
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  existential. The next time I went back was in
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  South Dakota and since then I haven't been back but I have
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  still been, you know, when you have this kind of Variants.
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  Like it's not just a one and done, like it's kind of you
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  forever. You are changed forever, you are
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  changed forever. It pre-entry programs, the very
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  essence of what you are. And I truly believe that when
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  done correctly, or when done and experience properly your ego
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  dies. Yeah, Lose Yourself.
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  Andre and are reborn in a different way and your life is
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  never the same after that. Very much that sort of thing.
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  And I also think Well in relation to the new existential
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  dread, first of all, I felt like the one that's out now is it
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  just didn't stack up to the vision.
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  So I feel like I don't really give a shit about existential
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  dread in. A lot of ways outside of the
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  fact that it's like my job, some kind of Duty that I have to
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  like, you got to see it through. I have to like make good on what
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  happened right here and the first album while it's really
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  good. I mean I love it and it's like
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  you know it's a child of mine so to speak there.
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  I just know that we're that what you played is much closer to the
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  truth of the idea that I had had all along.
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  And in closer, I would say Energetically, if you want to
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  use that word or psychically and I don't mean psychically as in
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  some new a GSB. Yeah, like the old stuff like
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  old psychologically, in a very, for lack of better sense, pagan
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  meaning, you know, a very palpable and felt thing.
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  So, If you know that, that's where that's going.
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  And I just felt that some kind of random now, that really it
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  really likes. Share it, it speaks so much to
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  test it on people, really? Yeah.
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  No, I mean, I think hearing that explanation and hearing kind of
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  this the inspiration or at least the maybe not the original
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  inspiration but like where it has become due to your
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  Experience, right? Because of it, like, it paints
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  of such a bigger picture after listening to even just a short,
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  you know, less than a minute long.
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  Yeah. Floor above it because I was
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  like, hey guys, you know, if you like bands like son, right?
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  Yeah, it's just like drone, metal, Doom, whatever.
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  Like, but it's more than just music, it's because it's
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  Ambience, its noise, it's vibrations, it's things that we
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  experience when we do things like what you're describing, I
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  went on those shamanic or spiritual Mystic Journeys as it
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  were right, because we become more in tune with the vibrations
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  of the world and the universe around us that you don't feel on
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  a regular basis. Not at least until you've kind
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  of ventured off into those places and done those certain
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  things. And then after that, you're
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  like, maybe not all the time. But like, man, there are still,
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  like you were talking about having those memories for years
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  after the fact. I mean, I'm, you know, just like
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  five months, well, no, not even. Even for November, December jet
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  three months. Yeah, three months after it.
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  I'm still getting those kind of, like, Memories where.
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  I'll, I'll hear a certain thing or I'll look at something.
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  I mean, like I said, I was laying in bed the other day, and
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  my wife has this huge, like four foot long stuffed animal.
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  That's a sloth or it's supposed to be a slot but it's like very
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  adamant. Like, it's very animated
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  looking. So it's got like rainbow colored
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  fur, you know. I mean like it's not like To an
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  actual slot by any means. But I was like laying there and
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  this was like, I don't know, mid-morning or so, like I was
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  awake. I wasn't Lucid.
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  I had not been consuming, any sort of alcohol or anything like
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  that, like I was completely sober and I just remember saying
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  they're laying there. Looking at this stuffed animal
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  who's obviously inanimate. And the fur was moving man.
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  Like I'm telling you like there was like I'm like up its here we
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  go again, it's one of those, one of those.
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  Memories kicking in you know like where did this and it only
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  lasted maybe like a minute or so.
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  But I was fixated on and I couldn't turn it back and
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  there's, you know, the trees look a certain way.
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  The water feels a certain way like different things just
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  become so much more pure, I feel and you catch those nuances of
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  life that exists that we don't always capture in the moment.
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  Yeah, you know, the life itself. Not our minds version of Yeah,
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  like men. Like the perception of it all is
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  is skewed. Without that without resetting,
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  without going back to that pure, the perception can just become I
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  mean, people, some people verbalize it as the perception
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  can become more clear more pure, but I feel like, it's what
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  you're really doing is perceiving.
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  What? I just like to Loosely call in
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  capitals. The other side which is just
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  the, you know. Yeah.
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  Just like an easier way to or sides.
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  Even man. Because I mean, the multi
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  dimensional aspect of existence. I don't know.
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  It's you were talking about your experience in being What was it
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  an actual full moon? If I remember, right?
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  You were saying it was a full moon and you just kind of
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  happened to be there at that moment or okay ours was to at
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  least within a couple of nights of it actually being full and
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  again just that presence her presence.
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  I like to say like her presence was so much but more vibrant and
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  authoritative in a way like she don't mess around man.
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  And I mean like she was just laying and Ami.
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  I remembered sitting there at one point trying to I don't know
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  in my own way level with that energy and it was like sit down
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  boy. You ain't got no business trying
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  to do this right now. Like you got no business like to
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  sit down and absorb it kind of take it and learn.
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  Don't try to match me right now because you're you're not going
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  to be able to and I was like whoa okay Mama like it was it
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  was it was and it's interesting that we're talking about a
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  project of yours that's called existential dread because guess
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  what man? You Or feeling that during those
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  moments at least at some point of the, I mean I was it was
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  there it came in waves but man at some points I was terrified
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  and it was Dreadful but in a way that didn't make me feel like
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  unsafe if that's if that's you know accurate way to put it.
• 27:04
  I think I guess everybody has different experiences but it was
• 27:07
  it was Dreadful in some ways that kind of stuff can get
• 27:12
  pretty intense. Yeah, I And a lot of ways I
• 27:18
  don't know if you're familiar with Terence McKenna or not.
• 27:20
  Oh yeah. I've at varying points.
• 27:26
  Tried to follow his prescribed it was heroic dose well and the
• 27:33
  regularity okay I've done it both ways where it was
• 27:38
  irregular, it was the dose. It was smaller, I've never done
• 27:41
  more, but I've had a few times where It was on the scale dosage
• 27:50
  wise and unexpected people showed up and it got really
• 27:55
  fucking bad. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:58
  Like so there is a time in up in the mountains here where I was
• 28:10
  out there and somebody showed up and I was it got real weird but
• 28:16
  There's been other times. That like so this is actually
• 28:21
  one that I wanted to talk about I was kind of going to bring
• 28:26
  this up anyway but I had this experience.
• 28:34
  To actually that I think are probably specifically relevant
• 28:38
  to you to this podcast and how I've kind of met you and so on
• 28:43
  and so forth. And it was that once still in
• 28:49
  Nashville, I was like, I mean I've been effectively sober for
• 28:54
  like 11 years but I get it, you know, and 12-step and all of
• 28:59
  that. But I have These little windows
• 29:02
  and they're always in the summer, I don't know why I wear
• 29:05
  and developed this 12 month. Long need to partake in
• 29:15
  cannabis, which I normally could give a shit about.
• 29:17
  And I don't typically want anything to do with it, because
• 29:19
  it gives me anxiety and always has, but on one of these little
• 29:26
  Mental voyages that I set myself out on.
• 29:30
  I just also like it was never a mild experience for me.
• 29:33
  I always just wound up having experiences while stoned that
• 29:37
  people would talk about as being more like, Kind of mushroomy for
• 29:44
  lack of a better word and of them, which I wanted to tell you
• 29:48
  about, was that I was sitting in my room, I think, and out of
• 29:53
  nowhere started having this feeling, like I lived.
• 29:56
  Now, in the back of my mind and I was looking at the back of my
• 30:00
  skull forward, and my forehead was a prison bar bars, like a
• 30:05
  cross here, right? And I'm like, looking out from
• 30:08
  the back of my head, kind of up above to though.
• 30:11
  Though like as if there wasn't actually a top on my head, and
• 30:16
  there's this man who looks like, you know, I'm much older version
• 30:19
  of me holding the bars, shaking the bars, trying to get out.
• 30:25
  And he reveals himself to me, to be Odin or vote on or however.
• 30:31
  And he says, you have to let me out.
• 30:35
  And you know I was like well I tell you mr.
• 30:42
  Right? I didn't put you in there.
• 30:47
  I'll let you out who let you in the first place.
• 30:50
  I mean you know I was like man. I've been chewing on that one
• 30:55
  for a while now. So think the perception was
• 31:01
  like, you were looking behind him and he was trying out for he
• 31:04
  was looking at you from your perception of the back of your
• 31:08
  mind. Like how was it?
• 31:09
  Like, I was standing against the wall of the of the room.
• 31:15
  The the skull prison room that we are temporarily in, and and,
• 31:29
  It wasn't long after that, that the Primeval album came out.
• 31:35
  Mmm. And I do feel like existential
• 31:41
  dread, for example, has nothing to do with that kind of energy,
• 31:45
  right? Primeval whether I wanted it to
• 31:48
  or not is like full of it. Yes, and it was not intentional
• 31:58
  but the name for example, if I'm able, well, came to me, my
• 32:04
  parents live in Montana and I was with them shit to 200 three
• 32:13
  years ago now. They live out in Western Montana
• 32:18
  in the middle of nowhere. In a valley between two large
• 32:22
  sets of mountains. And I just like, I had been
• 32:28
  reading the lore quite a bit, you know, about the varying,
• 32:37
  like the Jackson Crawford books and the other books that were
• 32:40
  all over than his versions and all that kind of stuff and just
• 32:44
  exploring at all, any idea of primeval, well, for whatever
• 32:48
  reason came to me, you know, but the myth about him thrown as I
• 32:52
  down in the well and all of that, and yeah.
• 32:56
  My grandfather had a well on his property that was also out in
• 33:01
  the woods and the well had been covered up because apparently in
• 33:07
  back in the old days, somebody killed a woman and threw her
• 33:10
  down there and they never could find the body and it was just
• 33:13
  this like spooky place that I would stick my head into when I
• 33:16
  was a child, you know, he would always tell me, you know, you
• 33:19
  know, you know what you do gets gifts going to reach up there
• 33:23
  and grab don't want to mess with whatever that is down there.
• 33:25
  We We haven't opened that there was just an old sheet of plywood
• 33:29
  across it and he said, we don't move you don't.
• 33:32
  Yeah you probably don't want to do that.
• 33:34
  Yeah. And I've seen movies about stuff
• 33:37
  like that you know read read those old folk tales from
• 33:40
  different areas. It's like I mean the mythology
• 33:44
  or the metaphysical. Well, there is a mythology but
• 33:48
  like The Meta physical significance of the, well, we
• 33:54
  it's lived out even to this day In some Heathen practices and
• 34:00
  some Heathen circles, you know, even amongst us, we have a an in
• 34:07
  our tribe, right? We even have during our sambal
• 34:11
  ritual. We have a representation of the,
• 34:14
  well, that we speak over that we put our drinks and we put our
• 34:18
  words in to solidify luck into and to do things that it's
• 34:24
  because it it Absorbs everything it takes and everything but it
• 34:28
  also doesn't diminish things like it.
• 34:33
  What you put into the well stays there, it doesn't like
• 34:36
  eventually more layers that get added to it.
• 34:39
  Sound like a river that just washes away.
• 34:40
  It's just layer upon layer upon layer.
• 34:44
  Yeah you know so the like that the element is a very I think
• 34:48
  living thing to in within maybe not just romantic either e but
• 34:52
  maybe another you know polytheistic you got caught
• 34:56
  Aaron's Wells. You know things that are used in
• 34:58
  other magical or metaphysical / for those purposes, right?
• 35:04
  That mean those types of things. So there's a, there's a lot of I
• 35:07
  think power to that imagery, you know, having a name to something
• 35:11
  like this, that just kind of catches all of that.
• 35:15
  Like you say, influence from a maybe another past experience,
• 35:19
  like it's really interesting to think about that whole aspect of
• 35:21
  it. Now that you mention it.
• 35:23
  Well, it was interesting too. That the name came to me While I
• 35:26
  was with my parents because that was my mother's father, that was
• 35:30
  on his land. And I was very, very close with
• 35:36
  my grandparents more. I would say, I think than
• 35:40
  probably most kids, I just followed him around everywhere.
• 35:44
  Like I was pretty, I was kind of obsessed with him and he was a
• 35:48
  World War Two vet. He was a marine on Okinawa and
• 35:53
  you know, by the time I was about 10 years old, I He had
• 35:56
  told me all of the war stories that he had been holding on to
• 36:00
  for like a very long time and so my mom she has a sister so it
• 36:08
  was it was him and a bunch of women and I just don't think he
• 36:12
  had anybody to talk to until I came around.
• 36:15
  I'm the older too and you know he just Would just talk very
• 36:22
  freely about old things and always, and old Wars.
• 36:25
  And you know, I mean, he knew A new Civil War veterans.
• 36:31
  You know I mean this is we're going way back here, remembered
• 36:37
  them at least you know. So yeah.
• 36:41
  So he was yes. So he was, you know, born in the
• 36:44
  1930s. So he knew, you know, the older
• 36:48
  among them but the last of the actual living.
• 36:53
  Yeah. Wow.
• 36:57
  And and I just like, kind of understood innately as a child
• 37:04
  that this Was a kind of living transmission if you will of
• 37:13
  stories and ideas. Viewpoints attitudes Etc, that
• 37:21
  came from a previous time very which was largely informed by
• 37:31
  Sammy, dude, you're talking at that point, you're talking the
• 37:33
  beginning, if not predating, the Industrial Revolution, he was
• 37:37
  more connected to that than or at least, equally connected
• 37:43
  mentally, I guess you could psychologically for sure.
• 37:46
  You know, he had modern cars and electricity and all that crap,
• 37:49
  but it was, he also grew up in the depression.
• 37:52
  So we're talking about a very again, in a mythological sense,
• 38:00
  if you will Oh, well, yeah, going all the layers being added
• 38:07
  right. Like, you know, we're not there
• 38:09
  anymore but it doesn't mean that it's not any less important
• 38:12
  because it lays down that Foundation of why there's
• 38:17
  something to build off of, or why there's a layer added on top
• 38:19
  of it. And that's what we talked.
• 38:21
  Like, you may have heard that term or log or that's the it's
• 38:25
  that it's that. Let literal primordial layer
• 38:28
  that that bottom sort of founding I'll spot in the well,
• 38:33
  we're right. You know we we can't help but
• 38:37
  ignore it because it's where we come from.
• 38:39
  It's part of where we're from however far back you want to try
• 38:44
  to go, right? Like it's there it's that
• 38:47
  underlying layer of existence in origin to that, you know, our
• 38:52
  our luck comes from our stories. Good and bad.
• 38:56
  Like it's all down there. It doesn't just go away, right?
• 39:02
  But that get, that's interesting that, you know, your living
• 39:05
  experience at that, you know, with your grandparents and your
• 39:10
  family, where would you say, I mean, or could you recall was
• 39:15
  anything about that that you would today call Pagan, like, as
• 39:19
  we call it as a title, as a name, right?
• 39:21
  Oh, we were pagans or not really, but it just like, has
• 39:25
  connotations or undertones of paganism and some of those kind
• 39:29
  of Legacy maybe inherent thing. Things that it did any of that
• 39:33
  exist for you that you would call it as such now back then.
• 39:37
  I was thinking about that I want out running earlier and I was
• 39:41
  just running around in the woods.
• 39:43
  I have this place, there's a few of them around here.
• 39:45
  So I live in South Knoxville and there's this little place around
• 39:48
  here called the urban Wilderness, and it's this set of
• 39:53
  trails that the city had made to try to woo, all these West Coast
• 39:57
  bicycle Riders out here and try to get them too.
• 40:01
  Unquote. Right?
• 40:02
  Outside the sabre area neighborhood, whatever.
• 40:06
  I like the green way around here, man.
• 40:08
  I don't remember like, Murfreesboro the Stone River,
• 40:10
  Greenway, and all that. Yeah, stuff like that.
• 40:13
  Yeah, all these trails, and whatever.
• 40:17
  All this horseshit out here, all over the place now, but I like
• 40:19
  to go running out there and there's one spot in particular,
• 40:22
  where the pills are pretty. Pretty brutal.
• 40:25
  I call it the sacrificial Hill and it's just like, I'm a
• 40:31
  fucking second. If I said, you know, I was out
• 40:36
  there running around and I was thinking about this and I was
• 40:38
  like, man you know, I've had these ideas before and Emma.
• 40:42
  I mean to be honest, like you know, if I had ever dared to
• 40:47
  call my folks for my grandparents or reading about it
• 40:51
  in my bloodline Pagan that I bet they would, they would be.
• 40:55
  Yeah, right. Go completely nuts.
• 40:58
  But I have noticed and I've always known That my father,
• 41:05
  whose blood is absolutely Germanic.
• 41:10
  That's German. But also Scottish British and
• 41:15
  all that. No all no Nordic, but like
• 41:22
  German and mainland's Romania. The Saxony type, maybe Frisian
• 41:27
  as those in the main lobby. I would say.
• 41:30
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 41:32
  Because include parts of, you know, Eastern, Scotland, Eastern
• 41:35
  England or whatever. Yeah, he died has always been
• 41:42
  like a out Avid Outdoors person. We never to this day talked
• 41:49
  about why, but I can only assume being, you know, but turned 40
• 41:53
  and I know what it means for a man to spend a lot of time alone
• 41:56
  in the woods at this point, you know what I mean?
• 41:58
  Like, there's there's more than just the sport.
• 42:02
  Element. And I mean, I'm talking about
• 42:06
  the guy was gone. Survival camping and fishing in
• 42:13
  Montana, like 20 before I started playing guitar.
• 42:16
  I started playing guitar 25 years ago, this past Christmas.
• 42:19
  So we're talking about a long time that he was doing back.
• 42:24
  Helicopter, backpack drops into remote Alaskan islands, like
• 42:31
  Siri makes like documentaries about this stuff now and he was
• 42:34
  just doing it casually. Just he did a so long, they
• 42:37
  find. I started asking him to guide
• 42:40
  and now, hello Anna. And he's guiding out there.
• 42:43
  So so there's there's his side. And then, on Mom's side.
• 42:53
  They, my grandparents lived in the woods, you couldn't see the
• 42:57
  neighbors houses, and there was definitely a understated
• 43:04
  reverence for nature as a unspoken living entity.
• 43:10
  I can I can recall G saying that it was I can't quote her because
• 43:19
  we're talking about a long time ago now.
• 43:21
  But just that it was That it bothered her that they would
• 43:28
  tear down huge sections of the forest to put in like really
• 43:35
  what we now call like mcmansions and sub developments and all
• 43:38
  that this is when all that that corporate looking Ultra, generic
• 43:45
  pre-planned neighborhood, horseshit that you know, is
• 43:49
  very, very modern. They didn't grow up with that,
• 43:53
  you know what I mean? Like where where they grew up in
• 43:56
  the town that they were from still to this day.
• 44:00
  If you were to drive through at all the houses or 100 years ago,
• 44:03
  they haven't modernized anything.
• 44:04
  It's just, that's just how they live and also Homestead living,
• 44:08
  you know, well, that's subdivisions, they weren't
• 44:10
  homesteaders. But they were, they were like,
• 44:13
  from from, like they were both pure-blooded like she was Slavic
• 44:20
  her and her, my Grandma's Grandma.
• 44:25
  And grandfather came over here as they were Slavs and they
• 44:31
  Slovak. Sorry, there's a lockean and
• 44:37
  then their kids met at the Slovak dance hall and their
• 44:43
  Town. Wow, those kids were pure
• 44:47
  Slovak. That's my great-grandparents.
• 44:50
  So my grandmother was second generation American, but still
• 44:57
  Deeply rooted in those and cooked that way, get off my life
• 45:04
  and my mom grew up eating that kind of food and hearing those
• 45:07
  stories that to whatever extent, I don't really know.
• 45:10
  But and my grandfather's was the same but French, and that's this
• 45:16
  is Mom's side. So I just feel like I would call
• 45:21
  it Pagan, but they had a, I think that would be a stretch
• 45:26
  and Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:27
  But too much, romantic slow. They had a definitively old
• 45:32
  world. Yes.
• 45:34
  Not American sort of attitude towards like they didn't see it
• 45:39
  in any way that I would call as being this.
• 45:45
  Like, this is here for me, and I'm going to just trash it and
• 45:52
  do whatever I want with it. They lived in a wooded place,
• 45:56
  they kept all the woods. They were very like deliberate
• 45:59
  about keeping all the trees and making it so that the place kind
• 46:03
  of in a lot of ways like felt almost like a sanctuary.
• 46:07
  Yeah, it was very calm, very preserving the natural beauty
• 46:11
  and the natural integrity and respect thing.
• 46:15
  Yeah, like, they didn't take very many trees down, like he
• 46:18
  cut the driveway out himself, he paved, and they lived on the
• 46:21
  side of the hill to. So, it was like a pretty serious
• 46:23
  job. Yeah.
• 46:26
  And and, and they, you know, they always had a lot of wild
• 46:31
  animals in the property and never mess with them or anything
• 46:34
  like that including bears and like sometimes.
• 46:36
  Yeah. But Caribou, who knows?
• 46:39
  I mean, it's Montana, right. I mean, know that squatches are
• 46:43
  aware I didn't grow up in Montana.
• 46:45
  I actually grew up in New Jersey.
• 46:47
  Wow. Okay, well, I'm from New York.
• 46:49
  You know, there's some pretty crazy places in Jersey and New
• 46:52
  York to, you know, this is yeah, this was an intruder in New
• 46:55
  Jersey and Van Winkle baby. Lower cat, the Catskills.
• 46:58
  You know what I'm saying? Actually, no.
• 47:02
  I mean also, I'll stomping grounds, dude, Catskills and all
• 47:05
  that. Yeah.
• 47:06
  I was going to touch on that too, because I do feel like the
• 47:10
  northern people have a kind of more what I would.
• 47:14
  Like I said, a more direct route to anything Pagan ish because in
• 47:20
  the South here, the Christianity is is very strong and I and it's
• 47:26
  arguably the last Christian Nation.
• 47:29
  If you will on the planet. Yeah, in 2000, even look at how
• 47:36
  the indigenous people were forced by the Invaders.
• 47:40
  By, you know, the white European Invaders to to change their life
• 47:45
  and forcibly in violently and tragically.
• 47:48
  So like it's a travesty and it's absolutely horrible to talk
• 47:51
  about it and think about it, that was a thing.
• 47:53
  But like when we talk about things that are pagan Rite, or I
• 47:58
  say things that are pagan, I mean, it's old-world stuff and
• 48:00
  it's in it's stuff that exists in so many different cultures
• 48:04
  around the world. But North America, the United
• 48:08
  States being as young as as it is.
• 48:11
  And as we are and being kind of just the Yves of cultures.
• 48:15
  It's such a, I mean, maybe I'm using words that are a bit
• 48:19
  harsh, right? Because it is, it's a Melting
• 48:21
  Pot of cultures. There's immigrants this, that's
• 48:24
  literally what this nation was built on, was a nation of
• 48:27
  immigrants. You know what I'm saying?
• 48:29
  So, you got so many different influences that that are in.
• 48:33
  You know, the, the, the, the Northeast is very heavily
• 48:37
  Germanic, right? There's a lot of Dutch and
• 48:41
  German settlements and stuff over here.
• 48:43
  And you got all kinds of, you know, and it transitions
• 48:46
  different places, different areas.
• 48:47
  There's a lot of Scottish Celtic influence down here in the
• 48:50
  South. You know what I'm saying?
• 48:53
  Just kind of where people ended up at the time, but I think
• 48:57
  maybe like what I was looking at is like, even though it what
• 49:00
  they weren't necessarily paid because my family is not paying
• 49:02
  at all and they effectively excommunicated me from a lot of
• 49:09
  their, their lives because of it, but I grew up in such a way
• 49:13
  that, you know, Our circles were small, we took care of each
• 49:17
  other. We farmed, we husband cattle, we
• 49:20
  had people that raised, you know, chickens and and and and
• 49:24
  all kinds of things that, you know, when you look back on
• 49:26
  like, wow, that's some really old way stuff, you know, but not
• 49:29
  Pagan, but it's what pagans did. It's it's how you had to
• 49:33
  survive, man. Like it's, you didn't have a
• 49:34
  store that you could go to, man. If you wanted something to eat
• 49:37
  you how to grow it, or kill it or hunt for it or fish for it,
• 49:41
  right? Like that was just life.
• 49:43
  And if If you wanted to stay warm, you had to cut wood, you
• 49:46
  know, to heat your to heat your home with and stuff.
• 49:50
  So like a lot of those things that are for maybe a lot of
• 49:54
  people in this time in this day and time seemed a bit.
• 49:57
  So, it's old ways. And like, man, this is just how
• 49:59
  you live. This is how you, how to survive
• 50:01
  it. Take the religion out of it.
• 50:04
  Yeah, you just had to survive, you know, still like that, for
• 50:09
  at least half the human population.
• 50:11
  Anyway, Right anywhere. Right?
• 50:16
  The I didn't I mean it's I mean look because everything she if
• 50:19
  she gets the fan could go back to that and write tomorrow, if
• 50:25
  they turn the power off. Oh, for sure, I mean, I don't
• 50:28
  know if you were here, what was it?
• 50:30
  Like, maybe it was less than a year ago when that, that RV
• 50:35
  explosion downtown in Nashville, I been here.
• 50:39
  But yeah, it took out infrastructure.
• 50:43
  That affected like emergency responders like you couldn't
• 50:47
  dial 911 and call for help for anything.
• 50:49
  And I'm like up. Here we go.
• 50:51
  Here's where it starts. And all it took was one old
• 50:55
  Winnebago from like the 80s to do it and that and, you know,
• 50:59
  nobody even planned it that way. But I'm like, see that's that's
• 51:02
  a message right there. That sends a message and maybe
• 51:04
  that's me being a bit stretching.
• 51:07
  Things with my crazy conspiracy theory mind, which I don't try
• 51:10
  to satisfy too much, but the signs are there And can you not
• 51:15
  like, don't ignore it. Like if that's all it took to
• 51:19
  create that much pandemonium, for that short period of time.
• 51:22
  Like, if you really wanted to plan something, it ain't that
• 51:25
  hard anything where you going to be when it happens?
• 51:30
  How are you going to be able to pick up from where you are right
• 51:33
  now? And and regardless again of the
• 51:34
  religious aspect of it's when you call yourself Christian
• 51:37
  Pagan Muslim, whatever its survival.
• 51:40
  Yeah. That point it goes and it goes
• 51:42
  past. Who you call your God.
• 51:47
  Sure. You know it's like touching back
• 51:50
  on some of those things that we were mentioning earlier about
• 51:52
  our Mystic experiences. Right?
• 51:54
  Our existence our shared existence in the world around us
• 51:57
  man. There was there was things that
• 51:59
  I was experiencing dude. That at that time, the gods
• 52:02
  weren't even a hindsight for me, it was like, I'm Tom.
• 52:06
  I'm dealing with things that are bigger than the gods here,
• 52:09
  primordial thing, right? Things that are older than even
• 52:13
  the gods themselves, right? You know, like the very essence
• 52:16
  is of universe exists like the life at the universe knows like
• 52:20
  the dark, the light the ice, the fire knows Essences of things
• 52:25
  that are have been there and that's why we're here.
• 52:28
  And whatever mythology, whatever, lure, whatever
• 52:32
  creation myth, whatever thing you want to put to it.
• 52:35
  Well, I was gonna tell you to stay on that you know one of the
• 52:41
  one of the And so there's primeval well there's that that
• 52:45
  one has a definitive to me the lyrics really don't even get it
• 52:51
  very much. But to be honest I also can't
• 52:54
  even remember what they are because I there's just so much
• 52:57
  other crap in my head since then.
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  But The other two that I put out started last year, one being
• 53:08
  violent. And the other one is Arcane
• 53:10
  marrow, Arcane marrow. If you can guess by the name is
• 53:15
  also like explicitly Pagan or whatever.
• 53:20
  I mean, I say Pagan, I still use the term Peg.
• 53:23
  I don't really sure. Yeah, it's just for me, I'm not.
• 53:30
  someone like I took the idea of polytheism very literally and
• 53:35
  just kind of feel like I'm not gonna.
• 53:43
  If I feel an Impulse to explore the Greek pantheon, I'm not
• 53:46
  going to deny it just because my dad's blood is German or
• 53:49
  something or whatever. If I want to go to the Badlands
• 53:51
  and learn about the great spirit, thought through the
• 53:54
  perspective of the Lakota people that I'm going to like, I'm
• 53:57
  alive, I'm here, it's America. It's everything you described
• 54:01
  already. So I'm going to grab what I can
• 54:03
  out of it and let my own intuition lead.
• 54:11
  From one thing to the next though, though.
• 54:14
  I will say, I tend to come back to this thing about Odin over
• 54:18
  and over again. And I don't even want to, it's
• 54:21
  just happens. But that actually leads me on a
• 54:25
  side, note to this other thing, I meant to bring up about Carl
• 54:30
  Jung and his home that he started Living in.
• 54:35
  Like, in the I guessed when he was about 40 years old, and he
• 54:38
  had already become fairly famous and successful.
• 54:41
  Restful and all that. And he he bought this house
• 54:44
  built. I think he built it himself
• 54:45
  actually. And I was, you know, somewhat
• 54:47
  remote location out in the Swiss mountains and he was a stone
• 54:52
  Carver. That was like his hobby, you
• 54:54
  know. He was like a really big dude.
• 54:56
  He was like, you know, my size like 62 and maybe taller and was
• 55:01
  pretty muscular and whatever his hobby was Stone carving.
• 55:07
  So he carved Out of the stone that he used.
• 55:14
  As I want to say as the Cornerstone but it could have
• 55:19
  been some other thing somewhere. It was like it was like
• 55:22
  prominently placed. That's all I remember from the
• 55:25
  story Mega in any case, it says what he carved into it, says,
• 55:30
  invoked or not. The god.
• 55:36
  We'll call meaning. Whether you want them to or not,
• 55:42
  he's coming. Yeah, you don't this idea about
• 55:48
  that. I think that pagan people
• 55:53
  polytheistic people, Heathen people.
• 55:58
  About Conjuring, calling invoking.
• 56:01
  I think that's part of it and I think that's an aspect of
• 56:05
  religious practice. That, you know, kind of goes
• 56:10
  into the, like the ritual, ritual category, right?
• 56:14
  And it's something where it's us going out to them, right?
• 56:20
  But there's the other one. There's the other side where
• 56:23
  they just grabbed you by the head and say now is the time
• 56:25
  motherfucker and like, you know, horse shake the rat or shake and
• 56:30
  rattle the bars as it were right.
• 56:33
  Yes. So me and let me out wake up
• 56:36
  something, right? So like with That being said,
• 56:38
  when, when we started, toying around with vile hanging, which
• 56:43
  was really just like me having, you know, anxiety.
• 56:47
  And I can't sit still, and I just like need to do something
• 56:49
  in between the Primeval. Well, albums.
• 56:52
  It was like right after the first one.
• 56:54
  I started writing right after the first primeval well album
• 56:57
  and it came out like a month later.
• 57:00
  I had already written a lot of what we came while he ain't hit
• 57:04
  that time though, there was a whole other set of riffs and it
• 57:07
  was all just going to be the one thing I realized.
• 57:09
  Well I have this one set of riffs there like a third feel
• 57:16
  like traditional is just a shitty stupid word.
• 57:19
  At least as a, how it relates to my music because it's usually
• 57:24
  anything, but but this was the closest thing.
• 57:29
  It wasn't like super crazy super dissonant like it wasn't overly
• 57:35
  experimental put it that way, right?
• 57:37
  It was riffs that A person that was just in a black metal
• 57:40
  because they like black metal. They could just listen to it.
• 57:42
  Like, it's Black mobile, right? They wouldn't have to go.
• 57:45
  What the fuck is this? You know, and like, give it 16
• 57:49
  different words to describe. It's like, it's, it's black
• 57:52
  metal. So That being said I got, you
• 57:58
  know a third of the way into recording the guitar parts to
• 58:03
  that album in a sick man. That's like I just feel like
• 58:07
  it's like this music is like a very pathetic.
• 58:11
  I hadn't even gotten that far. Still writing it.
• 58:13
  I was still I was here in Knoxville.
• 58:16
  I was writing and I had had After the Badlands thing a
• 58:25
  number of other. Similarly induced, similarly,
• 58:29
  ending experiences, mostly here up in the mountains.
• 58:34
  I usually go to a place up in Cocke County.
• 58:38
  I have this Camp there. I just go to all the time.
• 58:40
  You'd love it, actually, man. This is what I was talking about
• 58:43
  being long-winded. I promise you.
• 58:45
  I'm going to get to the point but hey, yeah, I'm enjoying the
• 58:47
  journey. There's this camp that I found
• 58:50
  is that in the middle of nowhere.
• 58:51
  Are right. You got to drive all through the
• 58:54
  mountains unpaved roads to get there, you come up to this big
• 58:59
  hill and you look down and out of a Confluence between two
• 59:03
  mountain Rivers, sits a camp and it forms a circle and it's lined
• 59:09
  with trees in a circle, right? And then when you you have to
• 59:12
  drive across through one of those rivers and you pull up
• 59:15
  into a park then you go walk to the back end of it, you realize
• 59:19
  there's a whole other literal stream.
• 59:21
  His tree growth. All right, first there's a
• 59:24
  circle then there's like an actual growth of oak trees and
• 59:28
  it's natural. It's not planted there, unevenly
• 59:31
  placed. But I mean it's spooky.
• 59:34
  I said that they're tripping balls and realized that the moon
• 59:38
  was going to Full Moon was going to come straight up over it and
• 59:42
  like, right. Like to give me this crap up.
• 59:46
  Yeah. Oh that kind of thing.
• 59:49
  Is what you really animates. Not just by me the well, but
• 59:54
  specifically Arcane marrow. And some of I'll hang.
• 59:59
  And when I was finishing up all the writing, I just really felt
• 1:00:03
  like for Arcane marrow and like each song Almost felt like.
• 1:00:07
  So for example the first song on that album really just for me it
• 1:00:12
  had this warlike energy and feeling that I could only it
• 1:00:20
  felt an alien to me like I had like I said this kind of Odin
• 1:00:25
  experiences before, right? And I kind of felt like I sort
• 1:00:28
  of got to know him a little if you will.
• 1:00:31
  Yeah. But this other was, it was
• 1:00:34
  different and but similarly intense and very violent but a
• 1:00:38
  different kind of thing. And it reminded me almost of the
• 1:00:42
  bhagavad-gita where it was like this very like, Intense.
• 1:00:51
  Glorious religious War sort of feeling.
• 1:00:56
  But for some reason it didn't sound like the music definitely
• 1:01:04
  isn't like inspired by Indian music or anything, but it just
• 1:01:09
  so I could only conclude that it was like this thing where I this
• 1:01:15
  may sound really silly but I just felt like it was Thor.
• 1:01:18
  Looks like channeling that because I personally from the
• 1:01:23
  get-go with all this Polytheistic Pagan, whatever.
• 1:01:29
  Always right from the jump, had this thing about Odin vote on
• 1:01:36
  and the very weird and mysterious nature and dark and
• 1:01:45
  like at times pretty disturbing trickiness that he's mad, he's
• 1:01:52
  absolutely mad and that's one of the key.
• 1:01:54
  Innings for you know in the many the many names that he's known
• 1:01:58
  by. I mean he's a mad man.
• 1:02:00
  He's yeah, there's Madness connected.
• 1:02:03
  Absolutely yeah. That that Ecstasy of Madness.
• 1:02:08
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:10
  I felt like in a lot of ways I had kind of started to put my
• 1:02:16
  clothes in a little bit, with primeval this thing though, with
• 1:02:20
  Arcane marrow is different, it just like had a very, I could
• 1:02:23
  only describe it. To Zach.
• 1:02:25
  The kid that plays plays drums and helps me record, those
• 1:02:28
  albums. He's in primeval.
• 1:02:32
  Well, I was like, man, it's just like it's store.
• 1:02:34
  It's got to be. There's no other way.
• 1:02:36
  It can't be anything else. It's, and in thinking about that
• 1:02:40
  would just make more risk, more imagery, come out of my mind.
• 1:02:43
  And and so that, that could that music that album is like all
• 1:02:49
  just completely it's almost like, Like the mystical shamanic
• 1:03:02
  experience or whatever translated it self for me, in my
• 1:03:08
  own mind into sound. So that it would get expressed.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah, does does he because I didn't really try to like, do
• 1:03:19
  that, I didn't want. I never, I never liked have set
• 1:03:21
  down and said I'm going to start playing Nordic ambient fucking
• 1:03:24
  guitar loops. All right.
• 1:03:25
  It was nothing like I said, we're not a just organically
• 1:03:28
  kind of like and I didn't. So pettway didn't do this in
• 1:03:31
  some kind of like mushroomed, you know, ritual either I'm
• 1:03:35
  talking about just sitting and in my little music room here and
• 1:03:38
  it's just like, just having this like, full-blown experience that
• 1:03:43
  translated into a, you know, yet another 10 but does Arcane
• 1:03:48
  marrow and was it vile hate or vile Haines?
• 1:03:51
  Hey, hey, hey, I'll paint it, is it?
• 1:03:55
  Is there stuff out here? Because I mean when people are
• 1:03:57
  listening and watching this, so whatever they want to, is it
• 1:04:01
  absorbable anywhere? Can they download it?
• 1:04:03
  Can they listen to it? Yes, all that stuff is on the
• 1:04:06
  moon light sobers archetypes band camp and they can also look
• 1:04:10
  for those bands themselves. They're also I have social media
• 1:04:13
  Pages problem too. So yeah, we're definitely going
• 1:04:16
  to link the Moonlight Cypress. Archetypes band camp in the show
• 1:04:21
  notes and in the description. So you know everybody listen and
• 1:04:23
  watching whatever if any of this sounds like something that you
• 1:04:27
  want to, you know sink your teeth into and explore, check
• 1:04:32
  out all of that. Because if it's if it's on that
• 1:04:35
  band camp and then that'll be kind of like your One Stop Shop
• 1:04:38
  for it. Yeah.
• 1:04:39
  But Arcane marrow primeval. Well, yeah, there's a bunch of
• 1:04:45
  them. Yeah, I mean like you're a busy
• 1:04:47
  guy and that's what I was saying before.
• 1:04:48
  Like before he ever came out of like, he's got his hands in so
• 1:04:50
  many different things, and I even think that your, your label
• 1:04:53
  is responsible for stuff, that's not even your own right.
• 1:04:56
  There's, there's what is it? Is it pie, fire?
• 1:05:01
  Yeah, we just released fire. That was the first one that
• 1:05:04
  Devil's Looking Glass. I mean, that's me.
• 1:05:07
  That's you too, right? You probably actually really
• 1:05:09
  like that stuff to. That's like that's another one
• 1:05:13
  that one was there. All on the label right there.
• 1:05:15
  All on the yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  There's actually a song called woden's tog on there.
• 1:05:21
  That was just like I just again set out in the fucking back yard
• 1:05:26
  full moon, you know, having a campfire I believe it was
• 1:05:31
  September of 2020 and I've been what a year huh man?
• 1:05:36
  Yeah. Well, a little topic point of
• 1:05:41
  discussion that I was going to mention.
• 1:05:43
  This is that my girlfriend is really.
• 1:05:45
  And to this somewhat newly developing field called
• 1:05:51
  archetypal astrology, which is a further development on what they
• 1:05:56
  call. Archetypal psychology, which is
• 1:06:01
  a the next Link in the chain. After Young's.
• 1:06:07
  Yeah. Wow.
• 1:06:10
  So yeah. So this dude named James Hillman
• 1:06:14
  created what they call archetypal psychology, which is
• 1:06:19
  deceptively named in a certain sense, because he really kind of
• 1:06:23
  in a lot of ways distanced himself from you and the
• 1:06:26
  archetypes, it's a little bit. He he actually said, stop
• 1:06:31
  calling it that because you need to just call it polytheistic
• 1:06:34
  psychology that from their people.
• 1:06:39
  Took. a lot of that mentality and created what's now Loosely
• 1:06:45
  called archetypal astrology and some of the astrologers had
• 1:06:51
  pointed out that 2020 had the same solar events as If I'm not
• 1:07:01
  mistaken 1776 which, you know, every American would that would
• 1:07:06
  probably three pivotal I would say.
• 1:07:08
  Yeah, right. So yes.
• 1:07:11
  So like every month in 2020 stuff like that was happening
• 1:07:18
  where these songs that were Unintentionally, but, but by the
• 1:07:24
  end of them, kind of being sketched out, very obviously,
• 1:07:27
  having these Heathen connotations.
• 1:07:34
  And, and for me, I just a Vibe, a feeling like a feeling like,
• 1:07:39
  It's not so much like these three rooms or this passage from
• 1:07:47
  the have a mall or whatever. It's produce this effect.
• 1:07:52
  It's more like the sound was creating itself, using a certain
• 1:08:00
  several few tunings on the guitar, the banjo or whatever
• 1:08:03
  stuff that's like kind of common actually like Like in Celtic
• 1:08:08
  music but also an old-time Mountain Music, just like a
• 1:08:17
  music theory, person would call it model and it has a very
• 1:08:22
  specific meaning. There's no It's an interesting
• 1:08:28
  development. I was like, really completely
• 1:08:30
  obsessed or John Coltrane when I was a kid and he was famous for
• 1:08:35
  among other things like what they called modal Jazz.
• 1:08:38
  And so his among many other contributions, one of them was
• 1:08:43
  the observation that falls almost more in line with like
• 1:08:47
  comparative musicology. Which is the music of the world.
• 1:08:54
  Everywhere is based on modal scales.
• 1:08:58
  It's only the only place and time where there's been very
• 1:09:04
  distinct chord progressions. Going from one thing to the next
• 1:09:07
  has come out of Western Europe in harmony, which is a
• 1:09:10
  relatively modern, iteration of music that is sits completely
• 1:09:19
  and totally within In the Christian monastic era starting,
• 1:09:22
  like roughly seven to eight hundred years ago about the end
• 1:09:25
  of the Viking era, when things really changed?
• 1:09:28
  Yeah, in Europe. Now, the significance of that is
• 1:09:33
  the fact that that music all around the world registers, for
• 1:09:37
  whatever reason in people's bodies when they hear it
• 1:09:41
  registers as immediately registers as religious music.
• 1:09:46
  Yep, across the globe. Yeah, that's like in any
• 1:09:49
  culture. Like whether it's in Asia North
• 1:09:53
  or South Asia and African music and South American music.
• 1:09:58
  And from what we know of Native American music here, it's like
• 1:10:04
  this set of scales that really invokes a sense of earth
• 1:10:14
  religion or blood religion or ancient religion or whatever
• 1:10:18
  this and it's a mysterious Thing people really all seem to react
• 1:10:25
  kind of the same way but you know, it's not really very
• 1:10:29
  present and country music but it is an old-time out of Music.
• 1:10:33
  I've also found that it's really common in bands, like probably
• 1:10:37
  going to botch the pronunciation and but one of one of my
• 1:10:41
  favorites, one of the ones that really got me into black metal.
• 1:10:43
  This Blood asked Nord, right? And you're familiar with them.
• 1:10:48
  They have a very droning, a very mode.
• 1:10:50
  Little black metal kind of sound, and I feel like, pulling
• 1:10:55
  all that stuff together, something about all these
• 1:10:58
  different pieces. Finally, clicked for me
• 1:11:03
  personally in 2020 and every fucking one of those full moons,
• 1:11:08
  something like that happened where it was just like this song
• 1:11:12
  with this, like, weird random modal guitar.
• 1:11:14
  Tuning would just like present itself.
• 1:11:17
  I couldn't get out of my head and I go sit down have a fire
• 1:11:20
  outside. There's a man, here comes like,
• 1:11:23
  six verses of all these lyrics about Odin.
• 1:11:27
  I don't fucking write lyrics, man.
• 1:11:28
  I don't care about them. Yeah.
• 1:11:31
  Like, I'm not a country songwriter, dude.
• 1:11:34
  You know, I'm like a guitar player and I got forced into
• 1:11:37
  this because no one else would sing for me and, and I didn't
• 1:11:41
  belong. Bard, man, you're that mountain
• 1:11:43
  Bard. I guess you could say, well,
• 1:11:45
  that's what I'm saying, you know, going back to that
• 1:11:47
  previous Division if you want to call it that, Of Odin saying
• 1:11:51
  that me out. Yeah, dude, I didn't want you in
• 1:11:54
  there for me either, but it's like I did.
• 1:12:00
  I wouldn't have asked for this. Yeah.
• 1:12:03
  If you're doing it man, like you're you're making it work and
• 1:12:06
  your yeah, I guess you're in a way it's like answering a call,
• 1:12:11
  you know, like I didn't I didn't give you my number but I'm going
• 1:12:16
  to answer you because you're calling me and then figure out
• 1:12:18
  what the hell's going on. Like, what's With this.
• 1:12:21
  And I mean, shoot like we could probably literally go on with
• 1:12:27
  this stuff forever about because look at where it started.
• 1:12:32
  I mean, we started talking about just it was the music and then
• 1:12:35
  it was the mushrooms and then it's the mythology.
• 1:12:37
  And now it's back to the music and it's coming.
• 1:12:40
  We could literally go for, I think, hours on something like
• 1:12:43
  this. And if you're willing, I would
• 1:12:44
  love to have you back and explore.
• 1:12:46
  Some of these other intricacies of things because I feel like
• 1:12:49
  this is a very insightful and very interesting to see what
• 1:12:52
  because I love what you're talking about with how the music
• 1:12:55
  touches people, regardless of the culture regardless of the
• 1:12:58
  version and I didn't realize that it was because of the the
• 1:13:03
  the notes or or SARS or the how it was you know just it touches
• 1:13:07
  you in a certain way and it does I mean I mean it's can argue
• 1:13:11
  that there's this classical composer from Canada and I watch
• 1:13:16
  his YouTube videos all the time and it's A lot of what he talks
• 1:13:21
  about his musical psychology and a musical psychologist for first
• 1:13:26
  of all, there's no such thing work on paper but it's the idea
• 1:13:29
  that the composer should have a sense of the psychological
• 1:13:35
  effect that his music is going to have on other people because
• 1:13:38
  if you're writing and you don't know, it's like saying words
• 1:13:42
  that you don't know what order to put them at.
• 1:13:43
  You might know the words but like you may not be a very good
• 1:13:46
  sentence Constructor, right? Right words.
• 1:13:50
  Your grammar is off but, you know, the vocabulary, your your
• 1:13:54
  message is just like unclear, right?
• 1:13:57
  Yeah. Oh, he talks about musical
• 1:14:00
  psychology and it's something that I had been thinking on
• 1:14:03
  already and it's like creating an element of mystery but not
• 1:14:09
  mystery in the like unbelievably cheesy worn-out black metal
• 1:14:14
  trihard bullshit way the like trying to like me this you know,
• 1:14:20
  Entity online and like be mysterious or whatever like
• 1:14:24
  that, shit's pretty tired, but it's more like mystery.
• 1:14:28
  Like, what is mystery? Mystery is like the core of all
• 1:14:33
  of this. Really is the core of religion.
• 1:14:36
  And the, I mean, to the point where they used to call them
• 1:14:39
  mystery, religions, like all their, you know, the again, the
• 1:14:42
  Greeks practiced mystery religions, the Romans practiced
• 1:14:47
  mr. Egyptians like the Colts of this
• 1:14:50
  God or that God or whatever practiced what we now call
• 1:14:54
  mystery religions and it's just my opinion and I I don't think
• 1:15:02
  I'm the only one who thinks this but it's just that the modal
• 1:15:05
  flavor Fast tracks that in the not just the mind, but literally
• 1:15:14
  in the physiology of a person's ears, which I realize that's a
• 1:15:18
  kind of a mouthful and a handful to like chew on, but it's like
• 1:15:21
  people are not used to hearing music, that's constructed that
• 1:15:26
  way anymore. And there's something about it
• 1:15:29
  that resonates in the body itself.
• 1:15:33
  Yeah. Way.
• 1:15:34
  Which is why when people listen to A Love Supreme by John
• 1:15:38
  Coltrane, they always talk about it as being, you know, a
• 1:15:45
  religious experience. Which is exactly what he fucking
• 1:15:48
  meant it to be. He knew exactly what he was
• 1:15:51
  doing with it. Well, I'll even look at you, I
• 1:15:54
  mean, and it may be cliche, but like, I mean, just because I'm
• 1:15:57
  not, I'm not a musical Aficionado by any means, but
• 1:16:01
  when you look at composers, like Beethoven who was deaf, he
• 1:16:04
  couldn't hear anything. But the music that here, Wrote
• 1:16:07
  the vibrations, the feeling how it speaks to the human psyche,
• 1:16:11
  how it speaks to us as sentient beings, right?
• 1:16:16
  It's a construct of vibrations. It's a contract of things that
• 1:16:19
  you may, you may be able to receive not just through your
• 1:16:22
  ear canals, but it may be going through that way, but the
• 1:16:24
  vibrations within their your eardrums like however, the all
• 1:16:27
  that shit works, you know it's resonating deeper than just.
• 1:16:31
  Oh, that sounds nice. Well, I like it goes way deeper
• 1:16:34
  than that. It's interesting with Beto.
• 1:16:37
  To because of him being German. And it, it, it fulfills any
• 1:16:48
  Stereotype of what German music and culture should feel like,
• 1:16:54
  like it's the most like chest-pounding hardcore.
• 1:16:58
  Stout. Yes, they would have had at that
• 1:17:01
  time. That would have like, you know,
• 1:17:03
  if it was metal, man, that it was right.
• 1:17:07
  That was their metal at the time, right?
• 1:17:10
  Right. It's so like true to the
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  stereotypes of their National character.
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  Whereas, You know, Ravel and Debussy, so they're so French.
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  It's so obviously French. And then, you know, and like my
• 1:17:26
  my favorite guy Stravinsky which I think you saw my post that I
• 1:17:32
  made about this, this new band that I started called Sky thala
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  which is yes reference to the, with all original ruin in the
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  imagery of it. Yeah, there's all kinds of nods
• 1:17:44
  to it. Yeah.
• 1:17:45
  Oh that music is is based on On Stravinsky.
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  It's like a took ideas from him and merged it with my own ideas
• 1:17:54
  about black metal and whatever. And, you know, he's of course
• 1:17:59
  Russian and that music has a very distinct National character
• 1:18:05
  to fix along with, you know, their their cultural Tendencies
• 1:18:10
  and so on so forth. But also, you know, that night
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  for example, so like I didn't I didn't just like sit down and
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  think like, what's the Q 2 is fucking way.
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  I can incorporate a rune, into my logo.
• 1:18:23
  I didn't even want to, I was just walking around. and in my
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  backyard about a year ago, And I looked up another big moon
• 1:18:32
  night. All right, like the I'm Tony the
• 1:18:34
  shit just follows me. It sounds like I've looked up
• 1:18:39
  and there was a bunch of chemtrails in the sky and I'm
• 1:18:44
  like, I have the picture, I took a fucking picture with it with
• 1:18:47
  my phone of it because I'm just like, Madness.
• 1:18:50
  Is this is you you all are messing with me again.
• 1:18:55
  And I mean like it distinctly forms the rune Like, you know,
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  yeah, and it was, I don't know, it's like 1:00 or 2:00 in the
• 1:19:03
  morning or something. And I was like, man, this is
• 1:19:06
  this shit. Okay.
• 1:19:09
  Yeah, that old man in that head of yours, just let me out here.
• 1:19:12
  Yeah, I know. And it's like my work is that
• 1:19:17
  it's like so dystopian with the Chemtrails, like, you know,
• 1:19:21
  talking about conspiracy theories or whatever, like
• 1:19:24
  Chemtrails is obviously. You know great father for
• 1:19:29
  conspiracy talk and the what's that man?
• 1:19:32
  What is the chances of that they would have just formed that
• 1:19:35
  shape and you know like it just seemed so ancient.
• 1:19:41
  And so dystopian at the same time that I was just like, okay
• 1:19:46
  well there's a name for that band.
• 1:19:49
  Yeah, I was going to tell you to that.
• 1:19:53
  Another thing that I've noticed is that every Every time that I
• 1:19:57
  feel the urge to go get lost up in the mountains, it's always a
• 1:20:03
  Wednesday. Okay.
• 1:20:06
  Well, I think we know then that the, the Odin wotan hold on,
• 1:20:14
  world knows, I mean, yeah, that, that, that element is is alive
• 1:20:18
  and well, I guess, within for you, because it's for sure and
• 1:20:26
  the fact that You know I mean I think I alluded to it early on
• 1:20:29
  as we wrap things up, like I alluded early on like you got a
• 1:20:33
  room set? Yeah, I had made one of my
• 1:20:37
  probably, I would say, I don't know.
• 1:20:39
  I because I don't keep track of how many I make or whatever, but
• 1:20:42
  I mean that was an event that you came to the Nashville Pagan
• 1:20:46
  pride of N and and and and purchased a rune set that day
• 1:20:51
  and you know, the the the we don't talk a whole lot.
• 1:20:55
  At least, we haven't up to this point in that.
• 1:20:56
  Message that I got from you. The other day.
• 1:20:58
  I was like, man, that was so touching to know that.
• 1:21:01
  Cuz, you know, quite often I make these things and they and
• 1:21:04
  they go to their homes, right? They go to the people who I make
• 1:21:06
  them for and I don't know nothing about him after that.
• 1:21:08
  And that's okay, I don't need to but to know that they are
• 1:21:15
  working with and for you and that you work with them and they
• 1:21:19
  have a living part of your life, like it was, it was touching.
• 1:21:23
  It was it meant a lot to know that and The runes and Odin.
• 1:21:28
  I mean if you know the Lord and the mythology behind, you know,
• 1:21:31
  hanging from yggdrasil and taking up the runes and nine
• 1:21:33
  days and nights on the tree, it's like it's all the pieces
• 1:21:37
  are coming together and it's pretty, it's pretty.
• 1:21:44
  It's really kind of mind-boggling.
• 1:21:50
  They just being the one on the other end of it.
• 1:21:51
  All, you know, I mean you're the guy doing the thing and I'm just
• 1:21:54
  the guy that made the Rune set that you that You fortuitously
• 1:21:57
  Came Upon and picked that day, you know.
• 1:22:00
  So it's all really neat. How the threads have been come
• 1:22:04
  into woven as it were through things.
• 1:22:08
  And so you know, with with that being said, you know, I think
• 1:22:12
  we're at a good spot to The call this one up or call this one at
• 1:22:17
  a stopping point. It's we've covered a lot of
• 1:22:20
  bases and that's what I love about what I can do here with
• 1:22:22
  people is in and have these types of discussions because it
• 1:22:26
  just goes into sometimes manage just goes into such interesting
• 1:22:32
  Realms. You know, these these rabbit
• 1:22:34
  holes, these, these random discussions that just naturally
• 1:22:37
  find themselves about through stuff like this.
• 1:22:40
  It's, it's intriguing and it's fascinating.
• 1:22:43
  And I Enjoy it and I appreciate you know having folks like you
• 1:22:47
  want here to share and talk about it and like I said before
• 1:22:51
  you know we can work something out again to have you back maybe
• 1:22:55
  have some other guests as we had you know we've had up to three
• 1:22:58
  guests on this podcast before I think three or four guests
• 1:23:01
  including myself and you know yeah something like this with
• 1:23:04
  some other like Minds could be really fun.
• 1:23:08
  I think if you're well. So I'm going to leave all of the
• 1:23:13
  moonlight. Cypress archetype bandcamp
• 1:23:17
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• 1:23:21
  are viewing watching listening, you want to check out what Ryan
• 1:23:25
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• 1:23:28
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• 1:23:32
  speaks to for you, definitely. Be sure to check out the the
• 1:23:37
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• 1:23:40
  Is there anything else that people can follow you on any
• 1:23:42
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• 1:23:50
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• 1:23:53
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• 1:24:16
  I'm gonna bid the listeners and the viewers and all my followers
• 1:24:20
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• 1:24:24
  But I'll stick around with you here for just a minute.
• 1:24:27
  Okay. But yeah, everybody that's
• 1:24:30
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• 1:24:31
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• 1:24:34
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