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Wander The World: Travel through Sri Lanka with our listener Cindy Illing · Wander the World with Pippa Hudson

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  Speaker 1: You're with Kate talk this sperbaton on lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's time to do some armchair travel as we
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  Speaker 2: wander the world together. And today we are wondering quite
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  Speaker 2: far away from home as we share a listener's adventure
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  Speaker 2: in Sri Lanka. Cindy Ellen contacted me a while ago
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  Speaker 2: to share some stories and photos of her incredible experience
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  Speaker 2: cycling more than five hundred kilometers through the so called
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  Speaker 2: Emerald Isle. Did you know that that term is used
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  Speaker 2: for Sri Lanka as well as Ireland. I learned something
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  Speaker 2: new in this engagement with Cindy, and that was the
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  Speaker 2: first piece of information that is one of many that
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  Speaker 2: is going to whet my appetite to go and visit
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  Speaker 2: this part of the world. Now, Cindy is joining us
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  Speaker 2: via zoom this afternoon to talk to us about the experience,
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  Speaker 2: some of the highlights, and to share some insights that
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  Speaker 2: might perhaps be useful to future travelers who choose to
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  Speaker 2: visit this destination. Cindy, it's great to have you joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for your time this afternoon. Hi, tell us
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about yourself before we talk about this trip.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a interinesta.
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  Speaker 4: I enjoy exercising outdoor kind of person and enjoy traveling
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  Speaker 4: to different destinations.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, run of them all.
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  Speaker 2: Places, which explains the quite awfu beaten track nature of
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  Speaker 2: this particular trip, Cindy, which we'll get to in a moment. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so you have traveled quite a bit before. Had Sri
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  Speaker 2: Lanka ever been on your travel bucket list? I know
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  Speaker 2: it was a family wedding that sort of prompted this trip.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't something you'd been thinking of doing anyway?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I think Sri Lanka has always had like an
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  Speaker 4: exotic sort of feel to it and this was a
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  Speaker 4: great opportunity to go and explore it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So you get the invitation to come to a
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  Speaker 2: wedding and you decide we're going to do that, but
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  Speaker 2: we're first going to explore some of the country and
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  Speaker 2: make our way to that wedding in quite a different
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  Speaker 2: kind of way. What sort of when was the Cindy.
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  Speaker 2: What sort of time of year was it that this
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  Speaker 2: trip took place?
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  Speaker 4: So it was earlier this year and we decided to
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  Speaker 4: try cycling. Both myself and my husband are keen cyclists,
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  Speaker 4: and the idea of sort of hopping in and out
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  Speaker 4: of spending a lot of time in a car visiting
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  Speaker 4: different places just really didn't appeal.
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  Speaker 3: However, the idea.
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  Speaker 4: Of sort of the journey part of it, not so
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  Speaker 4: much the focus of the destination, but actually getting there
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  Speaker 4: and going slowly and just observing the countryside was very appealing.
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  Speaker 4: And Sri Lanka are doing a lot to promote cycling
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  Speaker 4: in that country. So yeah, I disappeared down a rabbit
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  Speaker 4: hole of finding out more about cycling in Sri Lanka
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  Speaker 4: and it was definitely a possibility, and yeah, that opened
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  Speaker 4: up our trip for us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, now let's talk about getting there before we talk
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  Speaker 2: about the highlights of the trip itself. Firstly, I know
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  Speaker 2: it's about a nine hour flight. Did you fly direct?
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  Speaker 2: How did you physically get to Sri Lanka?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was in a no direct flights to
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  Speaker 4: from South Africa tissue makers, so it is like a
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  Speaker 4: bit of a hop, skip and a jump and there
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  Speaker 4: are lay over so it is I mean, it is
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  Speaker 4: a long flight. I can't remember the exact details, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's not a direct flight.
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  Speaker 2: So a bit of a distance. You need to be
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  Speaker 2: prepared for breaks in between. Did you take bicycles with
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  Speaker 2: you or did you go, knowing that because they're on
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  Speaker 2: this push to promote cycling, you would be able to rent, rental,
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  Speaker 2: buy them there what did you do in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the actual bicycles that you rode?
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  Speaker 4: And we decided to take our own bikes just pick
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  Speaker 4: from a point of view that were comfortable with them.
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  Speaker 4: They you know, they've made to fit us and we
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  Speaker 4: used to riding them.
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  Speaker 3: And also just kind of looking at the photographs of.
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  Speaker 4: The rentals, the ones that I did see, they did
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  Speaker 4: look that great, and I thort of rather deal with
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  Speaker 4: the bike that, you know, than an unknown and then
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what the maintenance or backup supporters, whereas
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  Speaker 4: at least here you can get your bike service beforehand
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  Speaker 4: and you know, hard works. And so that was a
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  Speaker 4: russianal for that. And it's literally a case of putting
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  Speaker 4: your bike in a cardboard box and hoping that it
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  Speaker 4: gets to the den.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, every the optimist in that story, Cindy, but the yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so the bikes get there, you get there, and you
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  Speaker 2: then set off on a bike packing holiday. And as
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  Speaker 2: you said, this was not your run of the mill
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  Speaker 2: tick off a list of the top tourist attractions and
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  Speaker 2: stay here in hotels or some of the beach drinking
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  Speaker 2: cocktails in amongst all of that, you guys set out
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  Speaker 2: on a route that took you over five hundred and
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  Speaker 2: thirty kilometers in nine days, including some race days in between,
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  Speaker 2: to be fair, but that really took you sometimes into
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  Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere and very much off the beaten track.
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  Speaker 2: Sidney give us a sense of where you traveled, the
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  Speaker 2: kind of terrain you moved through, and just a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more of a sense of of what your bicycle
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  Speaker 2: trip looked like.
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  Speaker 4: So we decided to travel down the sort of the
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  Speaker 4: central spine of Sri Lanka. The main reason being is
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  Speaker 4: that during March, the areas are incredibly hot. I mean
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  Speaker 4: it's hot and it's humid that it's you know, high
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  Speaker 4: thirties and very high humidities, whereas so the interior is
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  Speaker 4: slightly elevated, it's mountainous and it's cooler, and that was
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  Speaker 4: the rationale for that. And it's pretty, it's it's scenic,
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  Speaker 4: but it's also very hilly, so there's a fair amount
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  Speaker 4: of climbing involved, but you know, very uphill, there's a
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  Speaker 4: lovely descent. So you've got to look at positives on
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  Speaker 4: that side, and so we started. So you land at Columba,
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  Speaker 4: which is the capital, and we decided to disorganize a
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  Speaker 4: transfer to the center to a place called Cigarea, just
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  Speaker 4: because cycling out of Columbo it's a really big, busy,
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  Speaker 4: noisy city with lots lots of traffic. And yeah, we
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  Speaker 4: just decided to start in the middle of in the
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  Speaker 4: country and and just.
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  Speaker 3: You know, your drive there. So that's what we did.
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  Speaker 4: And then you over a series of a couple of days,
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  Speaker 4: well curse a week, we literally cycled down the center
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  Speaker 4: of Sri Lanka, through the highlands and then down down
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  Speaker 4: to the coast to a place called the Weela.
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  Speaker 2: Now your starting points Sigaia, I know, home to and
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  Speaker 2: I saw your photographs of an incredible rock fortress and
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  Speaker 2: beautiful water gardens. It is one of the sort of
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  Speaker 2: tourists the hotspots of Sri Lanka. Did you make a
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  Speaker 2: point of tracing a route that would take you past
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  Speaker 2: some of the sort of the major sites or did
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  Speaker 2: you try and deliberately avoid them?
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  Speaker 3: No, and there were some.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we're not a typical like we have to
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  Speaker 4: go and see all the sites. But Siguria was the
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  Speaker 4: one place that we did want to go and see.
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  Speaker 4: And it really is an impressive rock fortress.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's this amazing granite dome and that sort of.
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  Speaker 4: Rises out of these flat floodplains and they're.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful gardens all around it.
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  Speaker 4: And just the engineering and the fact that people.
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  Speaker 3: Lived up on this rock fortress, it's mind blowing.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, they've dug or they've tizzled little canals
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  Speaker 4: in the little ditches in the actual rock harvest the
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  Speaker 4: rain water and that goes into massive storage reservoirs and
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  Speaker 4: they have these sort of underground conjurits linking up the
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  Speaker 4: water ponds and things.
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  Speaker 3: So and I mean, this is a good century results.
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  Speaker 4: It's really spectacular and the layout is yeah, it's really
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  Speaker 4: beautiful and yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I can really recommend it.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, so that was definitely that That's why we
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  Speaker 4: wanted to start there, and it was kind of in
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  Speaker 4: the middle of the country and on our route and
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  Speaker 4: the right track.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say for anybody coming into this
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  Speaker 2: conversation midway, our guest joining us by a zoom is
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  Speaker 2: Cindy Illing, who is one of our listeners who recently
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  Speaker 2: completed Are fairly recently in March. This year, completed the
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  Speaker 2: cycling trip through Sri Lanka, making their way towards a
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  Speaker 2: family wedding, but doing so in quite a different way
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  Speaker 2: on a bicycle through a very beautiful, elevated mountainous area
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  Speaker 2: of Sri Lanka, sort of off the major tourist pathway,
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  Speaker 2: but doing it their way, savoring the journey as much
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  Speaker 2: as the destination, and doing it on bicycle. Listeners starting
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  Speaker 2: to ask quite a number of questions around your trip, Cindy,
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  Speaker 2: including the first one saying did you feel safe the
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  Speaker 2: whole way through? Is security something you need to be
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  Speaker 2: mindful of in Sri Lanka?
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  Speaker 4: We felt totally safe for a very good at tourism
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  Speaker 4: at moments, so yeah, good, ye mind.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's great. And then Kim enjoying the conversation. Thanks Kim,
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  Speaker 2: she'd like to know what is communication like around Sri Lanka?
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  Speaker 1: What about internet access?
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  Speaker 2: Now, it sounds like you were going into parts of
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  Speaker 2: the country that probably going to be the least connected
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  Speaker 2: of all, but any comment, you were briefly in the
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  Speaker 2: capital Colombo and other areas, what was connectivity like?
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  Speaker 3: Connectivity is actually great.
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  Speaker 4: So we when we landed, we just got local and
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  Speaker 4: some cards I'd read up beforehand that people have tried
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  Speaker 4: sums and they were the coverage wasn't great, Whereas if
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  Speaker 4: you actually got a local some card and did a
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  Speaker 4: some swap, you got and then there's fantastic coverage and
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  Speaker 4: DAFT is really cheap.
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  Speaker 3: So that's good.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it is quite slow, but I mean it's
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  Speaker 4: enough for WhatsApps and you know, sending photographs and things
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  Speaker 4: and you know. Yeah, but I mean it's great. There's
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  Speaker 4: coverage just about everywhere. Okay, it's even in the emergency places.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take back my incorrect assumptions.
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  Speaker 1: Then thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Let's also talk a little bit about the food. Because
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  Speaker 2: I hear the words stri Lanka. I'm sure a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people the first thing they think of is cricket.
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  Speaker 2: The first thing I think of is curry, because some
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  Speaker 2: of the nicest curries I've ever eaten have been stree
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  Speaker 2: Lunkan curries. Tell us a little bit about what you ate.
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  Speaker 2: I know you are quite adventurous in terms of wanting
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  Speaker 2: to eat local and stay local.
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  Speaker 1: I share the culinary aspect of your trip with us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the food was amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, at one stage we were having carry for breakfast,
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  Speaker 4: lunch and suffer. Right, it's so good that you want
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  Speaker 4: to eat breakfast, you know, you want to eat it
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  Speaker 4: all day long. So yeah, and the fresh produce is amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's just so we pretty much many ate
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  Speaker 4: vegetarian because we stayed in local abnb's and we ate
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  Speaker 4: at local cafes along little shops almost like stalls actually,
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  Speaker 4: and yeah, so most of the food enough, it was
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  Speaker 4: pretty much vegetarian.
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  Speaker 3: So it was you know, lots of lots of.
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  Speaker 4: Curries and fresh fruit, fresh fruit, fresh squeeze juices.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was delicious.
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  Speaker 4: And obviously on a hot day you do want to
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  Speaker 4: have that coke and you can always find the ice
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  Speaker 4: called coke even in the middle of nowhere anywhere in
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  Speaker 4: the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So, and whereas like on the curses, obviously when
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  Speaker 4: we were at the wedding then we have it was
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  Speaker 4: its more up market areas, so there's a lot more
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  Speaker 4: you having your fish prawn carries and fish carries and
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  Speaker 4: things like that. But Inland when the food was it
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  Speaker 4: was very simple, yeah, but delicious.
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  Speaker 2: Nonetheless, I just want to say a few people asking
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  Speaker 2: for information on hotels et cetera, that this wasn't that
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  Speaker 2: kind of trip. And I'm not going to put Cindy
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  Speaker 2: on the spot by asking her to speak on an
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  Speaker 2: area that she's not familiar with. But Cindy, in general,
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  Speaker 2: you've just mentioned the coastal area, the more developed areas,
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  Speaker 2: more up market, the way you traveled, eating local, staying local.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously you didn't have transport costs once you were on
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  Speaker 2: your bicycles. But in terms of affordability and and and
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  Speaker 2: pricing of things, do you want to chat to us
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about would you have would you describe
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  Speaker 2: us as a cost effective destination?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, well, it depends where you want to say it.
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  Speaker 4: So we we we did homestairs. So you just go
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  Speaker 4: to Airbnb and you find local homestairs and accommodation.
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  Speaker 3: It's very reasonable, very comfortable, and.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, you know, you look at reviews and stuff like,
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  Speaker 4: actually you choose, you know, where you want to go.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, but I mean that's simple. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it's nothing fancy on the curse. There are a lot
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  Speaker 4: of you know, expensive results where they charge everything in
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  Speaker 4: US dollars and you have your luxurious accommodation, you know,
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  Speaker 4: but but we stayed in very simple accommodation shared bathrooms
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  Speaker 4: things like that. Okay. I mean aving's clean, food, delicious,
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  Speaker 4: and that's kind of it suited our needs perfectly, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean that's wherever you are in the world.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's obviously different strokes for different folks, and some
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  Speaker 2: are going to want the upmarket, luxurious version and some
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  Speaker 2: are going to want the simpler version. Were you paying
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  Speaker 2: in rupees most of the way, that's the local currency, right, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean another accommodation. I was at book through Airbnb, so
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  Speaker 4: that was all up front. I was a bit worried
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  Speaker 4: about I pre booked all the accommodation because I was
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  Speaker 4: a bit worried about cell phone coverage and not being.
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  Speaker 3: Able to find accommodation late in the day.
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  Speaker 4: So I pretty much pre booked all that and that
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  Speaker 4: was just paid in rands and the locals.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just pay in rupees. And I can't even
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  Speaker 3: remember what things cost, but I mean your rands. It
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  Speaker 3: was pretty much.
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  Speaker 4: It was very reasonable and nothing was successive, okay, so.
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  Speaker 2: Your rounds will stretch a little bit. That's pleasant to hear.
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  Speaker 1: For a change.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody asking about well if you stay local, if you
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  Speaker 2: stay local, yeah, yeah, your your rands.
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  Speaker 4: Will go a long way if you stay local and
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  Speaker 4: buy local. But the minute you go into like in
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  Speaker 4: the coastal areas where there a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 4: Barign tourists there where, and their currencies are much stronger,
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  Speaker 4: the prices are a lot higher there. You're right, you
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  Speaker 4: feel you feel your rands.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say again, if anybody listening has
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  Speaker 2: also been to Sri Lanka and maybe you did it
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  Speaker 2: a completely different way or saw a completely different part
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  Speaker 2: of the country.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you were only.
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  Speaker 2: Interested in visiting one cricket stadium after the next, or
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  Speaker 2: going surfing at the beaches, that's absolutely fine. If you'd
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  Speaker 2: like to share with us, we'd love to hear a
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  Speaker 2: voice note on seven two five six seven one five
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  Speaker 2: six seven. In fact, I believe one has just come
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  Speaker 2: in from a listener who's also traveled there previously and
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  Speaker 2: wanted to share her highlights with us.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 5: Can I just say that the food in Sri Lanka
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  Speaker 5: is fabulous. I'm pescatarian and I have never ever had
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  Speaker 5: so much food. And what else was good about it
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  Speaker 5: in terms of food?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Beer.
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  Speaker 5: Lion is one of their local beers who kicks a punch.
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  Speaker 5: I've been to Sri Lanka three times. It's lovely. I
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  Speaker 5: love that country so much. As the first time I went,
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  Speaker 5: I stayed near Siguria Rock and the name of my
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  Speaker 5: hotel was Alia Resort and something something hotel and resort
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  Speaker 5: something something beautiful, beautiful, beautiful place. Another place I also
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  Speaker 5: visited on another trip was Nigombo, which is by the
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  Speaker 5: by the coast, by the beach. Oh, guys, Sri Lanka,
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  Speaker 5: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Danny, Danny. I love that message. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you so much for the feedback. And what better recommendation
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  Speaker 2: can you have than somebody who went back not once,
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  Speaker 2: but twice, but three times.
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  Speaker 1: Cindy, would you go back?
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like you is there are parts of
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  Speaker 2: the country you'd like to go back and see see
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  Speaker 2: that you missed on this trip.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about going back yet. I think there
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  Speaker 3: are other places.
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  Speaker 4: That I would like to explore on bicycle. I mean
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  Speaker 4: we did it quite yeah, in depth, so I thank god.
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  Speaker 4: There are the world's big place and there are lots
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  Speaker 4: of new places to discover. But I mean it is
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  Speaker 4: a great destination. I can highly recommend it.
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  Speaker 2: So before we let you go, just one or two
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  Speaker 2: practical questions, Cindy in terms of visas, am I right
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  Speaker 2: in thinking that it's an online electronic visa process that's
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  Speaker 2: fairly simple.
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  Speaker 1: There are no terrible visits.
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  Speaker 2: To VFS or TLC or any of those noteble that
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  Speaker 2: you have to deal with.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's one of those few places where as a
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  Speaker 4: South African it's actually quite a straightforward process and you
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  Speaker 4: don't have that drama associated and you do you do,
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  Speaker 4: just need to check that you.
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  Speaker 3: On the right website.
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  Speaker 4: There are a couple of dodgy Sri Lankan web you know,
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  Speaker 4: posing as official websites and then you end up paying
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  Speaker 4: a few dollars extra, So just double check that you're
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  Speaker 4: actually on the right website. But okay, yeah, you literally
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  Speaker 4: apply for it the week before you leave and it
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  Speaker 4: texts like twenty four hours or something to get so
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  Speaker 4: it's fairly straightforward.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much for that. And then also
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  Speaker 2: just a note to be mindful of seasonality. There is
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  Speaker 2: a very wet season in Sri Lanka. When they talk
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  Speaker 2: about a dry season and a wet season, the wet
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  Speaker 2: season is very very wet indeed, and that is October
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  Speaker 2: to January, so the best times to visit, I'm told,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: are December to March. So you were lucky with the
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: timing of the wedding that you got the end of
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: that absolute.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Sweet spots, and now we're they're good for you.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's all relative. I mean,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: it rains a lot in Sri Lanka.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: So I think it's it just there's sometimes in the
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: year it rains less some other times, and they've also
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: they're also different areas have got different seasons, So yeah,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: you I think you need to work out where you
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: want to go and then just check whether it's a
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: dry away season. But I mean it's hot, so in
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: some ways the rain is actually quite a welcome relief
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: from the stifling heat. So you know, it didn't the
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: weather didn't really affect us. I mean we you just
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: ride in the rain and because it's so hot, it
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: doesn't really bother you. But I would imagine if you're
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: on a beach holiday in the rainy seasons, probably not
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: a good idea.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Sidy.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: You've done such a wonderful job of sharing your own
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: adventure and painting the mental picture for all of us.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I want to thank you so much for joining us
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: on wonder the World today to share your story, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I hope you've got not just lots of photographs, but
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: lots of wonderful memories to hold on to the feeling
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: that this trip clearly evoked for you.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing it with us.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: It's a pleasure, really great with us.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Cindy Illing, one of our listeners sharing with as her
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: tour cycling adventure off Sri Lanka in March of this year.
• 18:06
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• 18:09
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• 18:11
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