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Theo and Joaquin Phoenix Talk About Their Dads(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: You play the broken so well, man. You really just
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  Speaker 1: have a... I mean, you are just like a harp
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  Speaker 1: that is missing some strings, you know? But it's really
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  Speaker 1: beautiful to watch a lot of times.
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  Speaker 2: What is that.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think that... Do you get attracted to
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  Speaker 1: those roles? It seems like you must in some ways. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And sorry to just kind of like pigeonhole you and
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  Speaker 1: your abilities. I know you have a lot of abilities. Um.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I definitely, I don't know why I guess. Um, okay. So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: my dad was, uh, he was, uh, he was a
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  Speaker 2: complicated dude and he, um, there was like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of like, um, I want to say dichotomy, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't even really, I'm not entirely sure if that's, if
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  Speaker 2: that's what I think, but it is like conflict or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And, and, and cause, um, it was really, it was
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  Speaker 2: complex or something like very like, um, sensitive and sweet
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  Speaker 2: and thoughtful about him. And he grew up in a pretty,
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  Speaker 2: pretty tough situation. And, um, you know, was in juvie,
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  Speaker 2: very young and had this very splintered family background. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it was like, they're pretty affected. Yeah. Like you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so you'd call like a shit kicker. And
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  Speaker 2: he was like, so, but he also was like, he
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  Speaker 2: also was like, like a fucking hippie was like, you know, was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, vegan. Like, um, so yeah, So I think
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  Speaker 2: he was so fascinating to me growing up because I
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  Speaker 2: think I saw those things and that existed inside the
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  Speaker 2: same person. Yeah, let's get fucked up and get a
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  Speaker 2: salad on. Exactly. I mean, that's a crazy thing to
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  Speaker 2: even think.
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  Speaker 1: You know and i'm sorry to say that just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit like no it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's great it was it was great and it was
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  Speaker 2: perfect and i needed that moment um so i i
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  Speaker 2: think like that was really again i think maybe i
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  Speaker 2: was i'm not you know i don't know why but
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  Speaker 2: i think i was attracted to those roles maybe as
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  Speaker 2: a way of Whatever. A connection or just something? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just like. Familiarity? Just curiosity. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like he was kind of like the most interesting person
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  Speaker 2: to me. And I probably wanted to like try and
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  Speaker 2: understand him more or something. I don't know. Maybe or
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  Speaker 2: maybe not. I don't really know. I mean, I definitely
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  Speaker 2: in my life have a lot of my dad in me.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Were you surprised that you got so much of it?
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  Speaker 1: I was, and I think I was, like, the last
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  Speaker 1: to know. But it was like, yeah, like that, like that.
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  Speaker 1: And then, like, at some point, I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: think they're saying, like, dad, like, those are not good qualities.
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  Speaker 2: And so... Like sleeping in his car, dad. Like dad, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And so I then became aware of it. But, no,
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  Speaker 2: I think my dad actually... I was aware... from fairly
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  Speaker 2: young that, um, I, I think he's probably the greatest, uh,
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  Speaker 2: influence or I was influenced by his life in my work. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is making sense. Um, I
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  Speaker 2: think I modeled so many characters that I've played after him. Hmm. Um, he's,
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  Speaker 2: he's dead. He's been dead for a while, so I
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  Speaker 2: can talk shit about him. Yeah, so he can't disagree
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  Speaker 2: with you. Yeah, I was like, what are you going
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  Speaker 2: to say? And if he is going to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I just went because I was like, don't make a
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  Speaker 2: joke about it. That's even worse.
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  Speaker 1: No, we weren't sure if he died until you said it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. Don't look it up because
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  Speaker 1: he might not be dead.
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  Speaker 2: We don't. He has a clicking clacking over there. You
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  Speaker 2: channel him right now and it's turned into him. That
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  Speaker 2: would be crazy. Wow, that's kind of interesting. Yeah, I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know what?
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I think I'm like my mom and I never
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  Speaker 1: thought I would be. And I was always even like rebellious.
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  Speaker 2: Against my mother.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, you gotta be. Sometimes I look
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  Speaker 1: in the mirror, I'm like, you gotta be fucking kidding me,
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  Speaker 1: you know? But then at the same time, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: that was probably in my life, that was the connection
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted the most anyway. So it's interesting that
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  Speaker 1: that's what God gave me or that's how it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that like, oh, it's like, this is kind of what
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  Speaker 1: I always wanted the most. And it's oddly- that's part
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  Speaker 1: of the most of what I am, you know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just interesting how sometimes things like that work out. Um,
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  Speaker 1: was your dad a funny guy?
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  Speaker 2: He's very funny. I mean, he was, um, he was
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  Speaker 2: a ham. Oh, he was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like he loved, uh, doing skits for us kids. Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool of him. And like joking around.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's very, um, Yeah, he was.
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  Speaker 1: And what would he do, like death of a salesman
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  Speaker 1: or death of, I don't know what he did for
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  Speaker 1: a job, death of like a.
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  Speaker 2: Employee somewhere?
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  Speaker 1: Or he would just have fun moments?
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  Speaker 2: One of his favorites, which always made us laugh, was
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  Speaker 2: something called The Fly Skit, where he just was literally,
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  Speaker 2: he just was a guy reading a paper on a bench.
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  Speaker 2: And a fly starts buzzing around and he like waves
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  Speaker 2: it away. Then he tries to like hit it with
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  Speaker 2: the newspaper. You know, he like rolls it up and
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  Speaker 2: like hits it. And finally he goes in his bag
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  Speaker 2: and he takes out some bug spray and he goes
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  Speaker 2: to spray it just as it lands on his nose
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  Speaker 2: and he sprays himself in the face and then like
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  Speaker 2: gets all fucked up from the bug spray and falls over.
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  Speaker 2: And like when you're like six years old, that's the
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  Speaker 2: most genius thing you've ever seen. Especially because We didn't
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  Speaker 2: have like TV and shit when I was young. So
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  Speaker 2: that was like high-level entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Your dad was the damn history channel when
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  Speaker 1: you were a kid back in the day. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? That's so funny to think about. I
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  Speaker 1: never thought of my parents were like the channels that
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  Speaker 1: we had. Because we had some channels, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like that. It wasn't like every moment was access. So
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  Speaker 1: really people were looked at as a lot more entertainment. Like,
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  Speaker 1: let me go over. poke this bear and see what
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  Speaker 1: I can get him to do a little bit, you know? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's cool, dude. My dad, oh, it's so funny, dude.
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  Speaker 1: My dad was very old when I was born. He
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  Speaker 1: was like, he was born in 1910 or whatever. And
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  Speaker 1: so he was like, everything was very like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and my brother and I would go to, he ran a,
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  Speaker 1: the World's Fair was in New Orleans when I was
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  Speaker 1: growing up and he ran a, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: he ran, but somehow they let him have the keys
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  Speaker 1: to go in there in the morning. And it was
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  Speaker 1: like a souvenir shop for the World's Fair or postcards,
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: In the French Quarter.
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  Speaker 1: And he'd always pay this guy, this guy who was
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  Speaker 1: a clown, right? He'd be like, go get the kids
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  Speaker 1: a couple of wieners or franks, you know, hot dogs.
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  Speaker 1: So I just remember like one of my early memories
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  Speaker 1: is just being with my brother in this clown that
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  Speaker 1: my dad had given a couple shackles to running us
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  Speaker 1: down the street to get us a couple of fucking
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  Speaker 1: hot dogs and i was like oh it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a fucking interesting road.
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  Speaker 2: So how old were you uh when he moved on when.
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  Speaker 1: He moved on i was 16 and i was it
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  Speaker 1: was weird because i was like embarrassed to my dad
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  Speaker 1: because he was older so i didn't want to introduce
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  Speaker 1: him to people i always had like this weird relationship
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  Speaker 1: but then i think as a kid it was fascinating
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  Speaker 1: to watch this older guy that uh.
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  Speaker 2: That you love so much, but you're also trying to
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  Speaker 2: keep hidden, you know? So how, when you were 16,
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  Speaker 2: I do not, I'm not, I'm going to fail at math.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out, I'm trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: if that's how my son is going to think of me.
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  Speaker 2: I was 45 when he was born. Huh?
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  Speaker 1: I think you're going to be okay. It's going to be,
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  Speaker 1: do not get a cane early though. If you get
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  Speaker 1: a cane early, he'll know. I thought about this. I
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  Speaker 1: was just thinking about yesterday because I've got to knock
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  Speaker 1: somebody up in the next two years because I need
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  Speaker 1: a family.
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  Speaker 2: But if you get a cane early, he's going to know. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So when I had my first son, I was your age.
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  Speaker 2: And it is something that I think about constantly. Because
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  Speaker 2: I just want to be able to be a fun
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  Speaker 2: dad and not be this– So did your dad die suddenly?
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask? Yeah, it's okay, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he got cancer, and I didn't even know about
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  Speaker 1: cancer that much, and he died pretty quick. It was
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  Speaker 1: pretty sad because suddenly he got like, yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: just kind of sad. I mean, it's all sad, but
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  Speaker 1: then it was, you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course it was sad.
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  Speaker 1: One might think we're fucking, you know, everybody was like
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  Speaker 1: getting the champagne out, but he was a ridiculous person.
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  Speaker 2: But my dad couldn't see. He would drive.
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  Speaker 1: He would take us somewhere, but he couldn't see the
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  Speaker 1: lights or anything. So he'd be like, is it red
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  Speaker 1: or green? And suddenly we'd get it wrong, and he'd
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  Speaker 1: fucking just drive out.
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  Speaker 2: It was all baffling. That sounds kind of cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think he would have dug it. I've got to say.
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  Speaker 2: He would have dug it. Wow. You would have dug it.
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  Speaker 2: Did your dad have cancer or no? Yeah, he did.
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  Speaker 2: He did? He did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And here's something else that's fucked up. Okay. My sisters
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  Speaker 2: lost his ashes.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Every couple months, somebody will send out a text
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  Speaker 2: to the thread being like, has anybody found dad's ashes? Oh, dang. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because all he could do is fucking laugh because it's horrible.
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  Speaker 2: It's just horrible.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost really like his last performance. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: such a fucking great. It's a great bit.
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  Speaker 2: You're right. It's his best moment.
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  Speaker 1: Dads as anybody found I love that text too you know.
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  Speaker 2: Just randomly every once in a while because it'll occur
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  Speaker 2: to one of us I'll be like yeah which where
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  Speaker 2: the fuck are dad's asses he sent that out and
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  Speaker 2: still don't know here's the thing I mean I'm blaming
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  Speaker 2: my sisters yeah might have been me I don't know
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  Speaker 2: the thing is is that it's one of those real
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  Speaker 2: like you know sometimes you have a vague memory of
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  Speaker 2: like I know we were in here yeah No idea.
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  Speaker 2: No idea. Like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever walk in the kitchen? You're like, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like that thing. Like, what was I in
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  Speaker 1: here to get? You know, where did, where did I
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  Speaker 1: put those?
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  Speaker 2: You know? Oh man. Thanks for sharing that. That's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad we even got to laugh about your dad
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  Speaker 1: today and my dad. That's cool. I think our, I
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  Speaker 1: think spirits, I think like when you laugh about somebody
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  Speaker 1: from your like life or something like that, I think
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  Speaker 1: they feel that on the other side.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's like a big connection there that we
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  Speaker 2: don't know about.