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EPISODE 147 - 'Vicky meets The Kinky Bros' · The Padded Cell Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hi everybody, you are in the right place.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is the Patter Sell podcast, and it is episode 147.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm giving you a a different intro because this episode is different.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's another Curators of Chaos special.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: And this time I am meeting two brothers, Griff and Jason.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: They are based in Houston in the US.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: And um they are Kinky.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: They're brothers.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: And they have a podcast called The Kinky Bros.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's a new podcast.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's been seven episodes in season one, and season two has just started and uh I've listened to episode one really, really, really great.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: And from the get-go, I loved their podcast, I loved their personalities, I loved their honesty, their integrity.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm not going to talk too much more about the actual pod because I want them to tell you about it.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: But uh I personally really enjoyed it.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: And as you all know, I don't do interviews very often.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: I only interview people that I am genuinely interested in meeting myself.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm really, really looking forward to meeting both of them.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: Looking forward to them telling you about their podcast and a little bit about their journey.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: But for those who are kinky and just want a podcast that is honest, that says it out how it is, that has an interesting dynamic.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: The brothers are very candid about their kink on the podcast.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: And for me at first, I was I was a little bit shocked, not in a negative way, but how candid they actually were.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: But then once I got into it, I almost forgot that they were brothers.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: They bring it up quite a lot, but they normalize their relationship, the way it's evolved now.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I really, I really love that about them.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: They're keeping it real.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not gonna go on any much longer.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they're gonna be jumping online in about 15 minutes, and uh I'll leave the rest of the chatting to them.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: They can tell you everything else you're curious to know about.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna leave you there, and we'll see you on the other side.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: My brother told me that I have to translate for him, maybe because of the accent.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: So my girlfriend's English, she's from London.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I've got a little bit more experience with the accent than he does.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll try not to use slang.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'll follow along.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll follow along.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be all right.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: If I use a slang word, I'll try and follow it up with an explanation of what the fuck I'm talking about.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right then, should we just crack on?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds good.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds good.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you very much for reaching out to us, by the way.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: This is really awesome.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: We were we were pretty excited.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: Guys, do you know what?
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: I've really, really enjoyed your pod.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: I really, really have.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a big podcast fan anyway.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: But when um I found you by accident, um, I was like, oh great kinky guys, they look alike.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, they are actually brothers.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's called the Kinky Bros, isn't it?
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: Your podcast.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: So um, because what I don't want people to say is like kinky brothers, because that'll get confused.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: They won't find you.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: So it's B R O S.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_02: B R O S, yeah, kinky bros.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: If I remember right, somebody had the kinky brothers already.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: So we had to we had to go with kinky bros.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think you're done.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what?
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: Kinky bros is is cool.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's kitschy.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: For us middle-aged people, it make it makes us sound cool.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: We get people that think that we're like bros, you know, like the term bros, like we're buddies, so you know, we're bros, and then they realize that we're like blood relatives, like brothers, and they're even more shocked at that.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of a fun yeah, isn't it?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Spin on all that.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, okay, I've listened to all your episodes, really, really looking forward to your um your second season coming out tomorrow.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: And and I noticed that um you're gonna be talking about edging.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna go into that later, but it's really strange because I am literally editing 146, the Pad the Cell podcast today.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: I've been doing it, and I cover edging.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, yay!
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, it's funny that um you know we're both covering that, but I'm sure we're gonna be covering different angles.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm like?
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: I've got loads of tangents.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, speaking of tangents, let's get back on there.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: So um I've listened to all your episodes, really, really, really enjoyed them so far.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but the main things that I want to go over today is you are brothers and you're both kinky.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: And on your podcast, you cover how you discovered each other.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I found it quite interesting how you discovered each other, the phone call that you had.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I won't go on on any more.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: I want to hand over to you.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: Whichever one of you wants to talk, fire away.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: Just tell me a little bit about how you found each other as kinksters.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, honestly, it was actually thanks to a uh British lady and her uh TV show on Netflix uh called How to Build a Sex Room.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so we both just happened to watch the show separately.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, I think it was uh Jason had called me uh in the middle of us watching the show and uh kind of jokingly said, like, hey, we're watching this show just to get a rise out of him and see what he would say.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, Oh my god, we love the show.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then the conversation just evolves from there.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: The the text message thread that came out of that was pretty funny.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: I can imagine, I can imagine.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: So uh so it was over text initially.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: So would you like to improvise the face that you pulled when you read the text for the first time?
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think my face would be initially like looking down and then a raised eyebrow, then a dropped jaw, and then fuck me.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: So I can tell you when that exact moment was, and that was the first time I saw him in gear when he sent a picture that had gear.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: That was my reaction.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, you look amazing in your gear as well, and I love that you put yourself out there in your gear.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, yes, I love wearing it, I'll wear it anytime I can.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, um, we've we've found out how you discovered each other as kinksters, and I think it's obviously it was quite late on.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, your mind is saying, I think I've already said once that we're all middle-aged, we're all a similar age.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and um you you found out about each other's lifestyles quite late on.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to talk a little bit about um how long you've been on the scene individually, um, and you know, how how your journey was up until that point and if it's changed since you've both found out about each other?
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, good question.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I I think for me, I kind of dabbled in the swinging side of things um back when I was married.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: So this is long before my current relationship.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: But that was my experience to kind of lifestyle, if you will, um was kind of through the swinging community.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um and that had been off and on for a while.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Griff didn't know anything about that at the time.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then when we discovered the TV show together, um, that's really when I kind of came to really get more into things.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that was around the time that he was diving into things a lot further than I was.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: So um, you know, for me, I got into anal play, and as a straight guy, you know, who do I ask for that but my gay brother?
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: So um it naturally.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I had a great resource in that.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so that's really how things came about was I was able to ask him questions about things that I was going through as I explored that area of myself.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's really I think how, you know, yeah, the TV show kind of opened that up.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I think asking those kind of questions and and realizing that I was comfortable enough to ask those kind of questions out of him um really kind of helped progress that conversation a lot faster than otherwise.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: So if I remember rightly, you were actually on the scene for quite a long time, weren't you, before you you found out.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: So you you, Jace, you were on the swing and scene.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh am I right thing a couple of decades?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so I would say dabbled in it.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like I never really identified as that.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like we went to some house parties, we had some friends that were swingers.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um so light dip of the toes into it to explore it.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I don't know that I would say like full on.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then the fetish journey, where did that come into the whole thing along the way?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: How many years have you been on the fetish scene?
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: So very recently, that has become a thing for me.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, as my brother and I have, you know, had these discussions, um, invited to some of his parties.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: He lives in a different town than I do.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: We're about five hours away from each other.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: So um I've been to a couple of his house parties before, and that's really kind of helped open my eyes and and just discussions with his friends, um, in realizing that, oh, hey, like some of this sounds really fun.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'd really like to explore some of this.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I love the gear, I love the dress part of it.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I think that's probably my biggest fascination with this.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: And and I can go to his house at his party and and dress up and and be in the crowd, you know, be in the group, right?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: So an accepted member of the group.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's kind of where it's so I would say I'm beginning in my journey.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still trying to figure out things.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but he's much farther along than I am when it comes to the king stuff.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: He's the honorary straight member of the family here.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: So it's really exciting for you, then, really, isn't it?
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: You're at the start of this journey.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: Your your brother's also on board.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: You've got this podcast going.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Gosh, it's really exciting times.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, who've been on the scene a long time.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: When I meet new kingsters, I'm always really excited for you because I know what's coming.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's so good.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: So let's go over to Griff because you have been on the scene a little while.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: So tell me a little bit about your journey.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so mine's probably been about 10 years now that I really got into it.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's uh it started with the gear for me.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it started more on the fetish and and the clothing side of it.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I when I discovered rubber and and just fell headfirst quite literally into uh into all of this, uh, I went really slow for a while.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was by myself.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: I I didn't know there was this whole thing of a community out there uh for the longest time.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then I got on Instagram and discovered that that there was this vast world of other people like me and started making all these connections on Instagram.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: But it was it was more of a uh of a digital thing for the longest time.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it really wasn't until I moved uh to my current city in in 2021 that I met the group that I am friends with here and just really kind of blossomed into uh my own scene and my own exploration.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um so that part of it has really only been about you know four or five years uh into it.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it's just been it's been incredible.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: I there are people who I met when I first moved here who I am still in touch with and and they've seen this you know growth arc of my kink journey and and my exploration uh over the last four or five years.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and it's just it's it's something I'm very proud of.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it's and it's I'm I'm so excited to be able to share uh not only my journey, but our journey of discovery with each other uh you know through this whole thing.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: So you're both quite late then, really.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Find and um find and kink.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: Better late than never.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, absolutely, absolutely.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Have you got any regrets that you didn't find it earlier, or are you happy that you're at this stage in your life?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: We talk about this a lot.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Do you?
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, go on.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me, tell me.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: If only we knew then what we knew now.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, you can't put an old head on young shoulders, and sometimes some of things that we we come across in kink and some of the conversations we have, they need maturity, they need life experience to understand what how we feel, and to have adult conversations with kinksters and you know, the the important conversations that come from that and the interesting conversations.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm sure I know loads of young people on the scene and they enjoy it in their own way.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I don't know, uh coming into as an older person, there's just an appreciation, isn't there, for our fellow man and our individual journeys.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we've got a little bit more time to to uh nurture our and our fellow man on along our journey and get excited for them.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: Young people, it's more about their journey, isn't it?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: It is, it really is.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the older that we get, the the less fucks we give.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, oh god, yeah.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we just you know, we we just don't care anymore or care what other people think.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that is there's so much freedom uh in that discovery as you get older.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that was a big part of it for me.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know that I was mature enough, you know, 10-15 years ago to really like understand um kind of the headspace part to myself, you know, when it comes to that.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I I think you know, me discovering this at an older age, uh, you know, middle age.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um and funny enough, I actually just celebrated a birthday um that was a milestone birthday.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: So the same age as one of your um co-hosts um who just celebrated his birthday.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: So um, so happy birthday to him.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think I wished him happy birthday on on one of the social social channels.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I don't know, you know, I look around and I see people mostly my age or mostly our age, right, that are involved in this.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's because it does take a level of maturity that that you don't get until you, you know, grow up a little bit.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: And to your point, Jason and I are both in you know committed relationships.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: I have a husband, he's got a longtime girlfriend, and I don't think we would have been able to have the conversations we've had over the last four or five years with our spouses that we should have been having, you know, 10 years ago, um, had we not been, you know, uh on the journey that we've been on.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know is it do you think it's something to do with as you get older, you might lose friends and family along the way, and you realise that life is just too short.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: And um, why should we be hiding um you know what we love, what is passionate to us?
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, like you said quite before, you know, we throw our fucks to the wind as we get older, as we lose these friends, and like you know, they didn't have the luxury of of making 50, and so I have, I'm gonna make the most of it, and people don't like what I'm doing, I don't really care.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we all just get to that point, don't we?
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, it is, yeah.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, right, partners.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, when your partners found out that you were both into kink, what was their reaction?
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I we were all kind of sitting, I think Jason was sitting with his girlfriend at the same time.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, when when we were having this conversation, because I do remember looking over to my husband saying, I'm talking to my brother about this show, and he's like, You.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but my husband, my husband still gets a little weirded out the fact that we that that Jason and I can have these conversations, but he's as pro as does my girlfriend.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, wow.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: I can just imagine.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um if I remember rightly, uh, when you had that conversation, it was about an hour.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: You were talking from about an hour, I think you said on the podcast.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, are you all in the room at the same time?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Was it just a video?
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: It was a video call or just a phone call.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: It was a video.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think there was a video call.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: There was a phone call, there was a lot of text messages.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because it was a phone call.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: I can imagine the background going, oh my god.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I think our partners still still get that, like, ew, you're talking about that with your brother, you know, reaction sometimes, especially now with with the podcast and some of the topics that we've covered.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I know I get that at home sometimes.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um we were both on and we both were plugged at the same time and we mentioned that fact.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: And when my girlfriend heard that recording, she's like, ew.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: So, what sort of reactions do you get from uh other people around you uh when they realize that you're related?
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously, I know that you do socialize the same circles, but you know, if you maybe go to events where not everybody knows that you're related, what what reaction do you get?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much curiosity in my circle about Jason and where is he?
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Is he here?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I went to uh the International Mr.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Leat uh Leather contest at the end of May uh in Chicago here in the States, and uh the pod was uh had been out for like three or four weeks at that point.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and I got so many questions.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Where's your brother?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is he here?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: What's he doing?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because he's the straight anomaly, you know, like in my world, he's the straight anomaly.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, it's just not you know, our the the gay and straight kink world are very separate, uh at least where I am.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh so there was a lot of curiosity about him, and then in instantly it's the oh, I could never have this conversation with my sibling.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I think I think that's the novelty of this whole thing is that we can.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: So how about you, Jay?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, what's a reaction around you?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: So, like in my vanilla life, this isn't a thing, right?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like I've got a group, I've got a group of friends.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, uh one of my really longtime friends, she was on, we just did a recording with her on Friday.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: She's a hot wife and and in the swinging scene.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: So we thought it'd be fun to like bring that topic into the podcast.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but outside of her and my girlfriend, there's there's really not that I I don't really have that bleed over yet.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I expect as I get out more and involved in the community type thing and you know, start visiting venues and and things like that, like that will expand.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: But most of my friends in this space are my brother's friends because that's where I've been exposed to it and that's where my comfort level is.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: So um, so you know, I I can't say that like my vanilla life that's it really exists there, but uh because of my brother and because of his friends and the you know the family they call themselves in in Houston, like I've got that outlet and I've got that community there um within his his group.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, let's put aside the fact that you're related for the moment.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you know, I've run a venue for years, and uh what you've what you've discovered in each other, really.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you've discovered your kink journeys, but especially you, Jace.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: You've also you've also found this other sort of family and friendship circle, haven't you?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Through Griff's friends.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I think if I remember rightly, Griff, you said on the podcast, you know, um your friends seem to like him more than they like you now.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's very true.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, how nice is that?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're you're on this journey, but you've also you're picking up new friends uh along the way.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's really great, isn't it?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when you you find something new, whether it's a new hobby or whatever.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: But with uh with Kingsters, we are like one big family because um we've got to stick together, haven't we?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: And we've got this this this common love and this passion, and uh with that does bring amazing friendships.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: It really, really does.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: So the the first the first event that I attended at my brother's house um that I dressed in, um it was it felt like I was on a podcast because I was sitting in like a semicircle and I was kind of in the middle, and there was like a a horseshoe of people around me just firing off questions.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like they couldn't believe that I was there, they couldn't believe that I was dressed, they couldn't believe you know that a straight guy would admit to liking anal play and that I had you know cock rings, and they were just asking a million questions.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I felt like I was on a panel discussion with like just me, and questions were just being fired, but it was after that, um, where everybody just accepted me, right?
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like everybody at that point, I got all the friend requests on the socials, and everybody was fine with me going.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, I know the first event, like the fact that I was the straight guy was a question.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like, would I, you know, was everybody comfortable with me even being there?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, um, and boy, has that changed quite a bit now.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: He even got into a vaccu.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: What'd you think?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: And liked it.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so that was the first time in in that sort of encapsulation ever.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: And now I want to try a vac bed because that would be a whole lot of fun.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I liked the vac cube.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that was I was one of the first ones to line up for that thing.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: That was that was fun.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um the vac bed is slightly different, obviously.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're lying down, but um the vac cube.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that that's quite a big jump for your first time encapsulation.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: So um obviously that's that's rubber encapsulation.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you've not spoken, I don't think, uh, about enjoying rubber yourself.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Is this something that you are trying out?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: So I would love to try it, and I wish my brother and I were the same size because I would have a hell of a closet selection if we could fit in the same clothes.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: I don't share.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: But that's really like why I haven't yet.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: I just haven't had the opportunity to try anything yet.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, some leather stuff I've got.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: I've got, you know, some leather harnesses.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, one of Griff's friends gifted me my first real pair of lit leather pants.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I'm pretty excited about those, although they don't match my harness, and I have to get a new harness.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, of course, yeah.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, things like that.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: So um I do like leather.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like I come from a motorcycle background.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: I have a full leather racing suit that I wore for track purposes.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and when Pillion came out, the movie, I tried to make it to Houston where I could wear that suit and really throw his group of friends for a loop, but I wasn't able to make it.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: But I do have a full leather track suit.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um like I said, it wasn't designed to be in the kinkspace, but I have one.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: So when in doubt, right?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously, uh, you know how addictive rubber is by Griff's huge collection of rubber.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: And you got um another piece of rubber today.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: I I say was it today?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Recently you got another piece of rubber.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Dickie, you're calling me out, yeah.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Totally am, mate.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: Totally am.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I and there's another one in the Coming in the next couple of weeks.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I shop a lot at Libidex, uh, which is a UK-based uh firm.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you guys have all the cool companies there, by the way.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Very jealous.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they do a 50% off deal.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so I always get snockered by this 50% off deal, especially when they're doing the rapid service, and all it's all it's a whole thing.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yes, I I just got a new one yesterday, and then another one's coming in a week or two.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: It you know what?
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's just something amazing about LASAC when you put it on, how it feels on your skin, and even when you get a little bit hot and your skin goes a little bit cold, and you go, it's just all these different sensations that you get with the rubber, the sweatiness as you're trying to put it on for a start, you know.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like then the the initial when you see yourself in the mirror, it's like all shined.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then after you when we're in a little while, you heat up, like I've just said, and you get a bit sweaty, and then when you take it off, the smell.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: What was it?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh what is it that you told me it amplifies the the latex amplifies um I forget what words you use sensation.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it magnifies every sensation, at least it does for me.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of the things it does for me, and that's one of the things that I love about it.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it just you know, every little touch or or nook, or like even if like a little bubble starts moving up my shoulder, like I'm like, oh like it just yeah, it just feels good.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: Have you had this?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds really disgusting.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, um, have you ever had like sweat roll like like down into your clavicle and you can feel it pooling on the inside?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Daily something.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's gross, but it's also a bit like it feels good.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Drank really, isn't it?
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, so I I do I do love rubber.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: So, Jace, if you uh go in a vac bed, you'll be able to experience if you don't get your first rubber suit beforehand.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, actually, you might have had it in the cube.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Did people touch you while you're in the cube or did it just leave you there because of your first time?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so the first time everybody just kind of left me there.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, I think they were scared because I was the straight guy and they didn't know what they could touch.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: So it was it was more of that.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I think I had some like hands on my back or you know, on my shoulders or whatever.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it wasn't anything like sexual.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I think everybody was like, they don't really know what to do with me, right?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like who, you know, so that was kind of my first one.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: If you go in the vac bed, then um obviously you're lying down, you're nice and relaxed.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: The rubber's obviously really, very close to your skin.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: If somebody, if you can maybe like negotiate beforehand, to just touch you in certain areas and just experience how heightened that touch is uh on different parts of your body.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: You're getting me all hot and bothered just talking about it.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Even like a little uh a little vibrator or something like that, just moving that around uh you know while you're in the back bed.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: That yes, yeah, absolutely brilliant.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm quite evil, I quite like to tickle people when they're in the back bed as well, and they can't get out.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the whole back the frame is doing roaming round as the person's trying to escape my tickles.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much fun to be had in a back bed, so much fun.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: It is, it is.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about your podcast uh a little bit.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, I've just said before, season two is about to come out.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: So, to go over season one, I I felt it was very much about getting to know you guys, um, getting to know about your journey so far, how you communicate what you enjoy with each other, how other people receive that.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: You've talked a little bit about your individual kinks as well, which has been really, really interesting.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, we can talk about some of that, but I do want to encourage people to go and listen to the podcast.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's so it's too good for us to just talk about all the detail here.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: I want people to hear you talk on your podcast.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's so good.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you very much.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Guys, there's so many shit podcasts out there.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what?
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's some great ones as well, but where BTSM Kink is concerned.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh lots of people, you know, have done really great podcasts, but when one comes out, and it's just like because you're family, you've got this chemistry between you both, you know each other so so well, and you've got this shared passion, it's just a great pod.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: So uh I'm I am gonna pick it up.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: So, season two, then everyone just heard about what was what's in store for season one, all the goodies if they haven't heard it already.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: So, season two, what what have we uh got to expect?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, we're diving a little deeper into specific kinks and kind of going like kink by kink by kink.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so the first episode that that's coming out is all about edging, which is something we discovered in season one that we were both very much into.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I was like, that was the like one conversation that I was so excited to really have uh with Jason and and dive in uh on you know the similarities or differences, like do we do it differently?
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, all of those kinds of things.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: So we get into all of that.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we do a whole show about rubber, uh, so that uh Jason can learn about that.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um he does uh you know, I grill him about uh one of his favorite things, which is uh pegging, um, and uh and all of that.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so I mean we're we're going deep uh into into a lot of stuff.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Going deep.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: Unintended.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: So you know, we we felt like the first season we kind of had to paint the picture.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, we didn't realize that that it was a thing, right?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: For us to be brothers and to be talking about this, like the the fact that there was an audience for this was shocking to us both.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we felt like we needed to paint the picture kind of of who we are and what our relationship was like, and then you know, from a family atmosphere and you know, partners and things like that, to really just set the tone and set the background for everything.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then kind of season two, um, you know, on the books anyway, is diving deeper into our pleasure centers and figuring out, you know, comparing notes and talking about the different things that we really are into.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we're trying to incorporate guests towards the second half of the season, um, uh, you know, for some different topics that, you know, we know very, you know, not much about.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we feel like kind of opening it up to um more general topics and and things where we can have some guests um up here and things like that.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: We'll hopefully go well for season two.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: We'll find out.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, are you excited?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh scared out of our minds, I think.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Are you surprised that you got to the point of what we're actually doing a season two?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: People like us.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: I it was it was very surprising.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, when we we kind of started season one, we were like, we don't know how many we're gonna do, and so we kind of you know, it kind of ran its course through uh through seven.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um and we're like, okay, we're gonna stop.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: We were taking a vacation, he was having a big birthday.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so we kind of took a break and and then people just kept messaging and saying, what's next?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: What's next?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: What's next?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh so as soon as we got back from vacation, we kicked back up again and and and started going.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: And the the thing that I love about what we're doing is that it's not just about the kinker the fetish itself, it's it's about the community around it as well, and the the deeper meaning about a lot of this stuff for for not only us, but for the people around us and um and the education side of it too.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: We were you know, we're not experts by any uh stretch of the imagination, and and so we're we're learning as we go as well, and just trying to bring people along for the ride.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think also, you know, you're you're going to attract different audiences.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: You call out things from different perspectives, obviously, sexualities and your partners, and oh, you got different perspectives, but with this this common love, if you like.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: So you're gonna have a quite a broad audience, I think.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of people are gonna be able to connect and and relate to you as well.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I certainly did.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: I listen to podcasts all the time, and um I really related to you guys.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't just what you were saying, it was how you were saying it was with integrity, and you didn't try to be experts, you know, you were very honest about that, and therefore, what I felt was I now want to follow you on your journey.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm invested now, and I think other people are gonna be invested as well.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm really, I'm really excited to see you know what happened with season two.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I really am.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: And like I say, big, big podcast fan, and and uh I I want you to do well because um that means so much coming from you.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like hearing feedback like that um is really exciting to us.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: And the the amount of feedback that we had from season one, especially after the first couple episodes dropped, um, we were not ready for that at all.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the Instagram messages, and it's funny, I was on your Instagram page today and I saw um that there was a couple that had discovered, I guess they met each other in a coffee shop or something and they ended up getting engaged because they both realized that they listened to your show.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I saw you reading that, you know, and your reaction to that, um, you know, crying, you know, like shedding a tear because like it made you really happy.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's how we felt as we started to get the same feedback, you know, straight guys reaching out that were underwear guys that were like, oh my God, I can't believe like there's somebody else, you know, that's into thongs the way that I am.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, people that like wish that they could have, you know, um, like gay guys that had reached out were like, God, I wish I could have this conversation with you know, my straight brother.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, those type of things.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like those those conversations really hit home for us.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of when we knew, like, well, maybe we are onto something here, and you know, like maybe this, maybe this does reach an audience that that we didn't know existed.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: So absolutely.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: I do wonder as well if you're gonna start opening up conversations, you know, between families, maybe, you know, maybe not just about kink, just about about anything really.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, people are quite um, they're not they're not quick to share the inner thoughts nowadays.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: We're all we try and keep them to ourselves, we just you know carry on, and uh we don't talk about our our desires, our wants, and what makes us tick often with our family.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: We might do with a friend, but those who we've grown up with, maybe not, and why not?
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so you're breaking the mold a little bit, really, aren't you?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: You're not just having conversations, adult conversations, you're having very intimate conversations, and but you're doing it in a way that I found it wasn't seedy, it wasn't like sensationalised, it wasn't like you know, or tongue-in-cheek.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: It was just you know, two guys who've who've got um who are both into kink, having sensible conversations, and you and you happen to be brothers.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think because you're brothers as well, you're um you can relate to each other a little bit more.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, the other thing I wanted to say, well I loved what I loved was that you were learning things about each other still, not just about your kink journey, but other things as well while you were talking on the pod.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think, oh gosh, I think it was uh Griff when uh I don't know when you met your partner or when your partner found out you're into rubber, and then and you were talking um to each other about that conversation.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: And Jay She said, I never knew this.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: He hadn't told me this before.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, you know, you're four or five decades into your brotherly relationship and you're still discovering things about each other, that's amazing.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I think when other people hear that, they're gonna be like, I want this too.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, might you might start out on these conversations with the people, and I think that that would be really great if that alone is what this thing does.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: You've done a really good thing, haven't you?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Really, really great.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: We hope so.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: We we hope so.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: Starting a sibling revolution of sorts, and it's funny, you know, one of the things that we've realized is that relationships are relationships, whether it's it's a gay relationship or a straight relationship, we all go through the exact same things, and communication is a huge issue, whichever side of that fence you sit on.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and even me personally, like I am a terrible communicator with my girlfriend.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: And because of this show, so much of that has come out.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like we've had some of the best discussions that we've ever had in the last couple of weeks because we sat down, we listened to our own podcast together, um, and paused and talked about the different things and you know what I felt and what she thought.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, I can only hope that others are having that, you know, that we've inspired others to do the same thing because it's been an interesting journey.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it's helped me a lot personally just open up.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: So, but just even the two of us, I think our relationship has grown immensely too in the last year, couple of years that we've had this conversation, but certainly within the last year that we've been doing the the last four months that we've been doing the podcast.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I we've learned so much about each other, like we've talked uh more now than we ever have before, and we've always been pretty close.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but man, it's just a whole different relationship now with with him.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: I have to play dumb with my mom now because she'll call and be like, Have you talked to your brother?
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Nope.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: We just recorded for two hours last night, but nope, we didn't talk.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't talked to him in a few days, mom.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's quite a gift, really, that you've got now between you both.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, that you've um you've opened up these conversations and you you feel closer to each other.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's really, really, really nice.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, uh, what your parents may find out at some point when you start putting yourselves out there, have you thought about the conversations you might have with your folks?
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: I like I can't speak for Griff on this, but even if they were to find out, I don't think they would care.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think that they would probably laugh at the idea.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know that they would sit down and listen to it by any means.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: I hope not.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I hope not.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I I don't know that it would buy like I don't think that they would be surprised.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: How's that?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, I don't think there would be a surprise there.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: And for our dad is especially, I don't think there would be a surprise there.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, there's probably some of this that we've inherited from him in some form or fashion.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think mom mom would have a lot of questions, but uh but probably would be too afraid to ask them.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so uh I think it would just kind of there'd be a discovery and then that would be it.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: And um yeah, they don't need to know everything, you know, they just they just need to know the basics.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: They don't need and they probably don't want to know, really, you know.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: And if they go ahead and listen to your podcast on their head be yes, you can give them a warning, you know.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: You really I don't I really don't think you want to listen to it, but if you if you do, then we've warned you you're gonna learn some stuff you might really not want to hear.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: I I think that they would be happy because we found something that we can do together, yeah, yeah.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and spend quality time together and you know, and continue our brotherly relationship.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think that is what would make them happy.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, I don't think the content they would care too much about, but I think that they would be really happy for us that we do have this together and and it's something that we share as far as that goes.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: So you talked before about some of the feedback that you've had from your listeners, and you've had lots of positive feedback.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: Have you had any negative feedback?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: I just brought this up to him the other day because honestly, no.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I keep waiting for that other shoe to drop.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's coming, I know they're out there.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know the conservative side of whatever world you live in is gonna find this at some point and be like, gross.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but so far, knock on wood, it like we haven't had that yet.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: I I think that I think the the hardest thing that we've had to try to overcome is people think that we sound alike.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: So we've had to try and force ourselves to be like, and Griff, what do you think about this?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and he's like, blah blah blah blah blah blah.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that's been weird for us, um, especially considering we don't feel like we sound anything alike.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but but we had like that, was probably the worst of the uh, you know, neg like and I don't even want to call it negativity, it was more just constructive criticism at that point.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: But we we're waiting for it.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: We know it's coming, you know, especially as this thing grows, it's bound to happen.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we'll cross that bridge when we get there, but we're expecting it.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: If you decide to go on video, at some point you might get some negativity five your way.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um we we've had it.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they've they're leaving us alone now.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think they've just moved on to the next new pod.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: Another shiny new object.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but when our videos first went out there, oh gosh, I got no end, no end of abuse, and my co-hosts as well.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, that was a small percentage of the amazing comments that we got.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, I think if you're gonna put yourself out there as kingsters, and you know, especially with your dynamic and some of the conversations that you're having, and you know, as you put your reels out there as well, people really get to know the depth of some of the conversations that you have.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: You probably will have some judgments, you and you've got to expect that, haven't you?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, I'm sure you've had these conversations, maybe between yourselves, and and you're ready for them, and you're grown men, and like we said at the very beginning, fuck it.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: You don't give any fucks anymore, do you?
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, but you do have to have hard, you know, thick skin when you're putting yourself out there.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, if if the um only negative comment you've had so far is about the fact that you sound similar, you're doing a a good thing, really, there, aren't you?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, negative comments, the worst of it so far, yeah.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're definitely expecting it, and we know it'll happen at some point, but um you know, like with anything else, you're gonna have you know some people that don't like it, and you're gonna have a lot of people that do.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: So on one of your episodes, you talked about uh obviously the fact that you're related and you didn't know of anybody else um that attend events or whatever who are all so related.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um obviously, you know, you're not like totally new on your journey, but newish.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um but maybe over the years, as you attend events more and meet other kinksters, you will absolutely come across other family members.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I ran a club for 15 years with Jim, my partner, and uh over the years, especially on the kink scene, we did see uh relations, and sometimes it wasn't planned, and they were like, Oh, you know, that's my brother or my mom or whatever.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: They'd have a kind of here, yeah, yeah.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: And uh they'd have a conversation, work it out, and they'd still attend.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: But then on the kink side, we did have family members that would what would attend events together, they'd have an understanding, uh, a conversation before about what the boundaries were, where they could be in the building, and all that kind of thing.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and uh and it worked.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: We've had mums and daughters uh on the kink scene, uh, they're both quite similar as well, and what they were into, um, and they did attend events together, they just chose to um to to scene on different floors of the building.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we've also, do you know what has been lovely?
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: We had uh a mum and dad that used to come in quite regular, and uh they brought um their their daughter along, uh trans daughter, and they brought her to our venue because they knew that she would feel safe, that she'd be seen, she'd feel uh accepted.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so they brought their daughter to our club on a kink night, not so she could go away and you know be beaten or beat somebody, but just to be in an environment where to be accepted, where other people would accept her, without question, and I was just so humbled by that, and so you've along your journey you are gonna find other people who are related.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm sorry to say you are not that unique.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: We hoped for that, honestly.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: We hoped for that, yeah.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we hope that we're not alone.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: You are unique in the fact that you are putting yourselves out there, yeah.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's quite a brave thing to do, I think, you know.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I I I doff I doff my cap.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I need I just need to go back to your rubber griff, because something that you said on your part is that you wear rubber whenever you can.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: When you first found out that you were into rubber, like your every opportunity you put rubber on, which I loved and I totally get that.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: But also, I think if I remember rightly, you said that you'd like you put your suit on, and sometimes you'd have rubber underneath your outer clothes when you're just walking around.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: Is that I love going stealth, I love it.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: I absolutely love it.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Stealth rubber, I love it.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: He told me one, he told me recently that that uh we were at my parents' house one time and he was wearing rubber underneath his clothes, and I was like, I had a full suit on.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, total to stealth, and I had no idea.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, wow, good.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: Could nobody smell you?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because, like, you know, it's there's a there's a smell to rubber.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: I there is a scent, yeah.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: But I I don't know.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody said anything, so yeah, it's that's one of my favorite things to do.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: I love going.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm starting to be a little bit more bold now, especially you know, here in my own community, uh, and wear, you know, wear it out.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'll wear kind of what I have on today with just some shorts on uh over it.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and you know, people will are curious about it.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I get a lot of is that leather?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's it's rubber latex, you know, whatever.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, people want to touch it, they want to, you know, see what it feels like, uh, that kind of thing.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it's I was actually just having this conversation with somebody earlier today.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: We put some of that that sexualness of this uh gear on ourselves.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: The rest of the world is not necessarily doing that to them, it's just clothes.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we're the ones walking around, you know, sexualizing it sometimes.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so sometimes you just want to wear it to wear it because it looks cool.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, I'll I'll wear rubber jeans out to uh dinner with my husband, and and it's just it's just part of my outfit, you know.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's not a big deal.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they don't they don't have to know that I'm leaking underneath it.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, they don't need to know that.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: So going back to to um the you wearing rubber under your clothes, do you not like get like really hot and uncomfortable?
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: Is that or is that part of it that you're starting to feel like a bit hot under the rubber?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is about wearing the rubber under your clothes, it's just the fact that it's stealth or what, I don't know, cotelink.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: It it does feel very warm, like it does get very warm very quickly.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, we live in a very warm climate area, um, and it's you know, a hundred plus.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I don't know what that translates to in Celsius, but uh fucking hot fucking hot.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't do it when it's this warm, you know, like so.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking, you know, more like fall, winter, spring uh type things.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but uh but yeah, it's it and in the winter it's perfect because it it's that perfect you know little sense of warmth.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I I liken it to a warm hug.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's exactly what it feels like.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: So anytime I'm going stealth in the winter, it it feels Amazing.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: You have rubber underneath, and you just put a little hoodie or or jumper on top of it and and some sweatpants or jeans.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: And oh it uh I will spend all day in that.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go to the museum, I'll do whatever.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can just see them talking about it.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just glad that I can only see from the waist up right now.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I'll stand, I'll stand up.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: So um, okay, Jace, going back to what you're saying before about you've got guys contacting you, straight men who are uh into similar things.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it must be quite humbling the fact that you know you've put yourself out.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's quite brave as well to say some of the things that you've said.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's quite brave.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it must be quite humbling to have guys coming to you singing thank you for that.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm like you.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, what what sorts of messages have you been getting?
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: How's it made you feel?
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: So it's extremely humbling.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: And and I'll you know, kind of share like uh a story.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_02: So when I first went down this path and started learning about you know the things that I'm into with you know anal play and pegging and butt plugs and and cockerings and things like that, like I needed help trying to figure that out.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I've always been, you know, whether it's my career or whatever, like pay it forward.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: So as I learned something, I've always been big on wanting to, you know, pay that forward, you know, the the the lessons that I've learned and the information that I've gathered.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, for me it's really exciting when people do reach out and they're like, hey, you know, my wife and I have talked about doing this, you know, how did you bring it up?
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Or, you know, what kind of toys are you using?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and being able to share that knowledge that took me a long time to to get and understand in trial and error.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: And if I can help somebody, you know, have that conversation or find that toy or try something for the first time, like that's you know, the fact that they trust me enough to bring that conversation up to me is amazing.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um and something that I don't take lightly.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: I I try not to blow people off in messages.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, oftentimes it turns into, hey, you know, do you want your dick sucked?
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, those those those I turn off really quick.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: But but, you know, for those that are really sincere and that have questions, you know, especially around the underwear, um, I I'm 100% happy to answer them.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: And and and it's an honor to me to, you know, to give those answers and uh, you know, somebody values my opinion when it comes to that stuff.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_02: So um yeah, I'm happy to do it, and it means a lot.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a lot of fun.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: We had a straight guy that was messaging us and and shared about his he and his wife, and he was telling us a story about their whole journey, and he shared pictures of them at the beach, and like like it truly is a community, and I think it's been one of the coolest things to see.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's just people are craving this kind of uh connection, and it's it's so cool.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they really, really are.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so where do you see yourself going?
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Where because if you think back like 10 years, you probably didn't see yourself in this position, but now that you are and it's going well and you're enjoying it, where do you see this going?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: Or are you just gonna just go for the ride and see where it all ends?
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't think we saw it going to where it's at right now.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I feel like this has far exceeded any of our expectations um up to this point.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, season two, I think, is a a big test for us to see, you know, if we can continue the momentum.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, we hope to get you know listener input on topics and questions and you know feedback and things like that.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: But I, you know, I don't know.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, is this something that we could do for a living?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like I think that's probably a pipe dream.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, obviously, you know, like you're doing it, so you know, it's possible.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, do we think like that could happen?
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's a very, very long shot, but in between whatever it is, um, we're gonna have a good time doing it.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're having a ball.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: I will say it is tough having two full-time jobs, basically, you know, like the real job and then the pod job, uh, doing all the editing and the social and all of that stuff.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of work.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a lot of work.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: Mad respect for those that do it.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: I did uh uh for two and two and a bit years a full-time job and doing this, and I loved it.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I think you know what you've said about the the community and the feedback that you guess, it just spurs you on when it gets it gets a bit difficult at times.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, thankfully I am at the point now where I can just do this, and it's brilliant, but you know, um because I'm that kind of person, I'm always up in my own anti, you know, pushing myself.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: So any free time that I might have had only having one job now of filled it, you know, with other podcast stuff, but it's a passion and it's your passion now too.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's really, really, really great to see.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: Really grace.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: So before we leave you, because we've been talking for 50 minutes, bloody hell.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I love it.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much more I could ask.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so before I leave you, is there anything that uh you want to share?
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because this is your opportunity to talk about your your pause and everything, or is there anything that you want to ask me or any parsing words at all?
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I will say that one of the things that we're trying this season is uh asking for your kinky confessions and uh and and sharing them with us so that we can uh hopefully share them with the world.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, like that's uh that's one of the the new things that we're gonna be trying out this season is hopefully sharing other people's stories and not just ours.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, so that's uh that's one of the the the big things that we're trying out.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um outside of that, just thank you so much for this.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: This has just been uh incredible.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's it I can't put it into words what this feels like.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, do you know what?
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you deserve it, and uh you follow my pod so you know that I don't do interviews very often.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: I only do interviews with people that I generally just want to have a conversation with that I think I'm going to relate to, have a bit of a laugh.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, 50 minutes has just gone by like that.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: So no, I really wanted to do this.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to meet you both and uh and put you out there because you deserve it.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: You really, really do.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I will be tuning in tomorrow for um episode one of season two.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this actually will be going out um in a few weeks' time in August, we're recording ahead.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I will be putting that on my socials if it's okay with you, that I've spoken to you um and give a little build-up for when it's gonna be released and stuff.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I didn't want to do it too much beforehand in case something happened, you know, and we didn't manage to do the interview.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: But now that we have, I'm gonna push, push, push it out there.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna tell everybody about you.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that you're at this stage in your life and you've discovered a new passion, not just kink, but podcasting as well.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because podcasting's a lot of fun, isn't it?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's a blast.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: We've we've had a good time learning learning the ropes and you know the technologies.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know, video for us is still a question like what do we want to do?
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_02: How far do we want to go with video?
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um and to echo what Griff said, thank you very much.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: When you reached out to us, we were both like whoa, we were kind of like starstruck, yeah.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if you could have seen the the conversation that we had after you reached out to us, like uh thank you enough for for giving us a platform.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: Now we gotta get over to the UK and actually like meet you in person.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yay! Absolutely.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: I was actually supposed to be coming to Houston uh earlier on the year.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: I was supposed to be.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was supposed to be uh joining a cruise uh at Houston, but uh sorry, in Texas, but um I didn't make it, I wasn't well, unfortunately.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: So we might have to rebook it.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta reschedule that.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we just we that's what that's exactly what we just did.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: We just did a cruise out of Galveston.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, did you?
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: That was a vacation that we took, yeah, a month ago today.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: Where did you go?
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let's see, we went from uh Galveston to uh it was Costa Maya, uh Rowatan, Honduras, and uh Cozumel, Mexico.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: So that I think is that the East Caribbean route, I think.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, nice, nice.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, don't get me onto cruise and bloody hell to be another 50 minutes.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: That was my first cruise ever, and it was amazing.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like I will I cannot wait to go back.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: Got all these firsts.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, right.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm gonna leave you there.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so, so much for doing this.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: I really, really appreciate it.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's been lovely actually chatting to you on a one-to-one, haven't listened to you uh for those seven episodes and watching you online and everything.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: I wish you the very, very best of luck.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: I really, really do.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm right behind you and I'll push you all away.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: And obviously, you know, if you want to ask me anything or wherever, you know where I am.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, don't be a stranger.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_00: We're friends now, whether you like it or not.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: Love you.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_00: No problem at all.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, guys.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: Bye, Vicky.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, wasn't that bloody great?
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: What a lovely pair of guys they were.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_00: Really, really enjoyed talking to them.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: And um, it's obvious from that interview that the way they come across on their own podcast is is them.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's no pretense, they're just being themselves.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: That really, really came across, and I love their relationship.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you can obviously they can tell their brothers the way they banter between each other.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I love how there's no real like shock value to what they say in front of each other.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um I love the bit where Griff was saying about leaking insiders latex, and um it was only after the interview, and I was giggling to myself, he's like he said that in front of his brother and like the whole world.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's just so great, isn't it?
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope you enjoyed it anyway.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you enjoyed meeting them and also listen to something a little bit different.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh if you are kinky and you like podcasts, then I mean I think you are because you're here, then I do encourage you to go over and listen to them.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: And uh season two goes in a slightly different direction.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: So uh if you enjoy season one, you're definitely gonna enjoy season two.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's um it's progressed already.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh I'm excited to see where this podcast goes.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna say ta-ra.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much for joining all three of us for this special episode, and we'll see you next time on episode 148.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: And there we have it! Another day made better by listening to the creators of chaos.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for dropping by, and if you enjoyed the show, we'd really appreciate you.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: If you're gonna love the Pantastel podcast with your friends, don't forget to give us a follow on our socials, maybe leave us some five-star reviews, and feel free to send us an email to magic at the patestelpodcast.co.uk, or even instruct us on Facebook because we love the channel studio.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know where I'm going next, but I'm coming on.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: Catch you soon.