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- 0:04Jen Oliver: Welcome to the So that's Why podcast where we unpack the
- 0:07science behind everyday questions.
- 0:10I'm Jen.
- 0:11Chris Smith: I'm Chris.
- 0:11Matt Edmundson: And I'm Matt.
- 0:13Jen Oliver: So today we're tackling something that virtually everyone
- 0:17who exercises has experienced.
- 0:19Why do we get sore muscles after exercising that familiar ache
- 0:24that settles in a day or two after a challenging workout?
- 0:27What's actually going on?
- 0:29Matt Edmundson: That special feeling where getting off the sofa
- 0:32becomes like a strategic operation.
- 0:36You all know what I mean?
- 0:37Where you genuinely consider whether the journey to the bathroom is really
- 0:42worth it because your legs have gone and put in a formal complaint.
- 0:46Jen Oliver: Exactly.
- 0:48And here's what's interesting.
- 0:49For decades, we've all been told it's lactic acid feel the burn.
- 0:53That's the lactic acid building up.
- 0:55But actually the science tells a completely different story.
- 0:59Chris Smith: It certainly does, and this lactic acid explanation
- 1:02has been comprehensively disproven.
- 1:04So lactic acid actually clears from your bloodstream within 30
- 1:07to 60 minutes after exercise.
- 1:09That timeline alone makes this theory impossible because muscle soreness
- 1:13typically doesn't begin until 12, even 24 hours post-exercise, sometimes longer.
- 1:19Matt Edmundson: And it's mad, isn't it?
- 1:20How widespread that lactic acid myth still is.
- 1:24You hear it?
- 1:25I hear it in the gym all the time.
- 1:26Jen Oliver: Yeah, and it's completely the wrong culprit.
- 1:29The real cause is microscopic damage to muscle fibers and the
- 1:33surrounding connective tissue.
- 1:35It's called delayed onset muscle soreness or doms for short, and it triggers an
- 1:40inflammatory response that peaks about 72 to 48 hours after you exercise.
- 1:45Chris Smith: That's right and that's why it's called the delayed onset
- 1:48because you feel fine immediately after your workout even the next day.
- 1:51I mean, I remember many times playing football on a Saturday, feeling fine on
- 1:55the Sunday or okay on the Sunday, but then walking like John Wayne by Monday morning.
- 2:00Matt Edmundson: Yeah, I get that.
- 2:01I get that.
- 2:01I mean, I've had workouts where I've walked out the
- 2:04gym feeling like a champion.
- 2:07Then sort of woke up the next day moving, like I'd aged
- 2:10literally 40 years overnight.
- 2:12Um, you're right though.
- 2:13Sometimes it's the day after, isn't it?
- 2:15That this sort of all kicks in.
- 2:17Jen Oliver: So if it's not lactic acid, what's actually
- 2:20happening at the cellular level?
- 2:22Chris Smith: So when you exercise, particularly during movements where
- 2:26your muscles lengthen under load, things like lowering weights or
- 2:30running downhill, you create tiny tears in individual muscle fibers.
- 2:34Now tears sound bad.
- 2:35Mm-hmm.
- 2:36But this is completely normal and nothing to worry about.
- 2:39Jen Oliver: And then the body launches are complex inflammatory cascades,
- 2:43and the damaged tissue releases chemical signals that trigger an
- 2:46immune response, bringing inflammatory cells and fluids to the affected area.
- 2:51Chris Smith: Yeah, exactly.
- 2:52And this inflammation causes swelling within the muscle tissue
- 2:56and activates your pain receptors.
- 2:58It's not damaging a harmful sense.
- 3:00It's your body's repair mechanism kicking into gear.
- 3:03Matt Edmundson: So the soreness then is actually a repair job in progress.
- 3:06Like my body's got builders in.
- 3:09And they're making just an awful lot of noise.
- 3:12Chris Smith: Yeah, it's a good way of, uh, thinking about it.
- 3:14So the inflammatory response, um, releases specific hormones called
- 3:19prostaglandins and leukotrienes that contribute to pain and swelling.
- 3:23And this whole process takes time to develop, which is why soreness
- 3:27peaks one to three days after exercise rather than straight away.
- 3:31Jen Oliver: And some researchers also propose that dos involves damage to the
- 3:35deep fascia, which is the connective tissue that wraps around your muscle.
- 3:39And that tissue's densely populated with pain sensitive nerve endings, which
- 3:43might explain why even gentle pressure on sore muscles can be so uncomfortable.
- 3:49Matt Edmundson: Oh, yes.
- 3:50Oh yes, I know exactly what you mean.
- 3:53And it's not just the muscles themselves, is it?
- 3:55The whole neighborhood seems to be affected by it.
- 3:58Yeah.
- 3:59Chris Smith: Yeah, very true.
- 4:00And research shows that even a 2% drop in performance can result from
- 4:04that process, and studies found that Dons can reduce strength.
- 4:08By 20% temporarily, which is significant if you're trying
- 4:12to maintain a training program.
- 4:13Jen Oliver: And the type of muscle contraction makes a huge difference too.
- 4:16So eccentric contractions where muscles actively lengthen under load
- 4:21are the most potent triggers, and that explains why running downhill causes
- 4:25more soreness than running uphill.
- 4:27Even though running uphill feels harder at the time.
- 4:30Matt Edmundson: Yeah.
- 4:30Why would you wanna run up anyway?
- 4:32Jen Oliver: You might not get a choice.
- 4:35Matt Edmundson: Why would you just wanna run?
- 4:37Um, but it does make sense, isn't it?
- 4:38I, I mean, I, after I've had gym sessions, I've had that you sort
- 4:42of finish thinking it was fine, especially when the lifts sort of felt.
- 4:47You know, controlled, but then two days later, I can barely get out of my chair
- 4:53and it's like, it's this slow lowering under load that catches you out, not the
- 4:57parts that feel toughest at the time.
- 5:00Chris Smith: That's exactly right.
- 5:01And it's because the force distribution across muscle fibers
- 5:04becomes uneven, and that creates disruption to the muscle fibers.
- 5:08Which means more repair work needed and therefore more soreness.
- 5:11Jen Oliver: And the variation between individuals is significant to research
- 5:15shows that after the same workout, some people experience severe soreness
- 5:19while others feel relatively fine.
- 5:22And there's a genetic component to how efficiently your body
- 5:25manages the inflammatory response.
- 5:27Matt Edmundson: So when I'm hobbling around then and my friend who did exactly
- 5:30the same workout, we've all got them, uh, is bouncing around like nothing happened.
- 5:35That's not me being weak.
- 5:37That's biology.
- 5:38Chris Smith: Yeah, precisely right.
- 5:39And um, studies on over a thousand athletes found enormous variation in
- 5:44sauna responses to identical exercise.
- 5:46So your individual inflammatory response, your muscle fiber
- 5:50composition, your training history.
- 5:53All of these things affect how sore you get.
- 5:55Jen Oliver: And age plays a role too because older adults may experience
- 5:59soreness differently 'cause their inflammatory response and
- 6:01recovery capacity change over time.
- 6:04But interestingly, fit individuals of any age typically return to
- 6:08normal faster, around 40 to 60% quicker than less conditioned people.
- 6:14Matt Edmundson: Okay, so fitness doesn't stop me getting sore.
- 6:17It just helps me bounce back faster, is what we're saying.
- 6:20Jen Oliver: Exactly right.
- 6:21Which brings us to one of the biggest myths in fitness.
- 6:24The idea that soreness means you've had an effective workout, and this
- 6:28needs ing because it's so widespread.
- 6:31Chris Smith: You're right, and it is completely false.
- 6:33So research conclusively demonstrates that doms, this delayed onset
- 6:38muscle soreness is neither necessary nor sufficient for muscle growth.
- 6:43You could build significant muscle without experiencing much soreness at all.
- 6:46Matt Edmundson: So does that mean the no pain, no gain thing is nonsense?
- 6:50Jen Oliver: Well, muscle growth occurs through mechanical tension and
- 6:54metabolic stress, not through damage.
- 6:57Some muscle groups like shoulders rarely experience significant
- 7:00soreness, yet they still grow perfectly when they're trained properly.
- 7:05Chris Smith: Yep, that's right.
- 7:06So the no pain, no gain thing does still count because your body
- 7:09adapts to exercise through something called the repeated bout effect.
- 7:12That means you'll experience progressively less soreness for the
- 7:16same workout, even as your strength and muscle mass continues to increase.
- 7:20So the pain has turned into gain in that sense.
- 7:24Matt Edmundson: So getting less sore over time is actually a sign.
- 7:26Your body is a. Adapting and improving.
- 7:28Right,
- 7:29Chris Smith: exactly.
- 7:30But back to that, no pain, no gain.
- 7:32Constantly chasing maximum soreness can actually be counterproductive.
- 7:35It increases injury risk, it creates excessive fatigue, and
- 7:39it might even slow your progress.
- 7:41Jen Oliver: So what about the common advice that you
- 7:42shouldn't exercise when you sore?
- 7:44There's a lot of conflicting information out there.
- 7:47Chris Smith: There is, and, and I'd say so for mild to moderate soreness,
- 7:50uh, light activity can actually help.
- 7:53It's called active recovery, and it works by increasing blood flow to
- 7:56damage tissues, delivering oxygen and nutrients while removing waste products.
- 8:01Matt Edmundson: So gentle movement then is better than lying on a sofa.
- 8:06Well, if it was me, I'd lie on the social feel sorry for myself.
- 8:09I know, I know.
- 8:09But So this gentle movement, this active recovery is, is better than that.
- 8:13Chris Smith: Yeah, the sofa does sound quite appealing though,
- 8:15to be fair, but no, yeah.
- 8:16In, in most cases, yes.
- 8:17So walking, light, cycling, uh, swimming, anything, lowden low intensity and
- 8:24research has found that active recovery at 30 to 60% of your maximum heart
- 8:28rate is more effective for com than complete rest for reducing soreness.
- 8:33Jen Oliver: And the key distinctions between productive training and harmful
- 8:37overexertion training through severe soreness that compromises your form.
- 8:41Or prevents proper movement.
- 8:43I mean, that's when you risk injury, but modified training, reduced
- 8:46intensity for all, where in different muscle groups can help you maintain
- 8:50consistency while recovering.
- 8:52Chris Smith: That's right.
- 8:53And if we looked at the other side of it, so red flags, these things would include.
- 8:58Such as a sharp pain rather than a dull, aching pain.
- 9:02Localized to a specific point.
- 9:04Visible swelling or bruising or soreness that persists beyond a week.
- 9:08They're symptoms that warrant caution and might need medical attention.
- 9:12Matt Edmundson: So what about things then like um, uh, ice baths, the super popular,
- 9:16my preference, massage, stretching.
- 9:18I like stretch.
- 9:19Is any of that working?
- 9:20Jen Oliver: So analysis of about 120 studies identified which treatments
- 9:25actually have evidence behind them.
- 9:28Active recovery ranks highly up there as does you'd be pleased to hear massage
- 9:32therapy, um, because that increases blood flow and that may stimulate endorphin
- 9:37release so you feel a bit better.
- 9:39Chris Smith: Yeah.
- 9:40And another one is cold water immersion, and that shows effectiveness too
- 9:43at around 10 to 15 degrees Celsius for a few minutes after exercise.
- 9:48And contrast therapy, which is alternating hot and cold, also demonstrates benefits,
- 9:52although both sound fairly horrific to me.
- 9:55I've gotta say that.
- 9:56Matt Edmundson: I love the sauna.
- 9:58Uh, what about stretching though?
- 9:59Um, that's not major list.
- 10:01Uh, so I want to know, because I've spent years doing hams
- 10:04streak stretches, uh, hams streak, hamstring stretches after leg day.
- 10:08Jen Oliver: Actually, this is where the research gets surprising.
- 10:10Multiple reviews found that stretching.
- 10:13Whether before, after, or both produces only minimal
- 10:17reductions in muscle soreness.
- 10:19Matt Edmundson: Wow.
- 10:19Jen Oliver: And we're talking effects that they're too small
- 10:22to be clinically meaningful.
- 10:24Matt Edmundson: So all that post-workout stretch stretching them wasn't, wasn't
- 10:28preventing or helping my soreness.
- 10:30Chris Smith: No, not significantly.
- 10:32And, uh, there was one systemic review that found stretch and reduced
- 10:35soreness by less than two millimeters on a 100 millimeter pain scale.
- 10:39So, as, as Jen said, effectively undetectable.
- 10:43But stretching does have other, other benefits.
- 10:45It improves your flexibility, your range of motion.
- 10:48But preventing this doms is not one of them.
- 10:51The time might be better invested in proper nutrition and sleep.
- 10:54Jen Oliver: Sleep is genuinely powerful for your recovery.
- 10:57During deep sleep, your body releases growth hormones, which stimulates the
- 11:01tissue repair and muscle regeneration.
- 11:03Sleep, also modulates the inflammatory response, releasing
- 11:07anti-inflammatory compounds that can help reduce that muscle pain.
- 11:10And you should really aim for seven to nine hours a night
- 11:14to optimize your recovery.
- 11:16Matt Edmundson: So what you're saying, Jen, is uh, don't stay up late scrolling
- 11:20through your phone because that's gonna make your muscle recovery.
- 11:23Well, much slower.
- 11:24Jen Oliver: Essentially, yes, sleep deprivation can increase pain sensitivity
- 11:29and impair the re whole repair process.
- 11:32Chris Smith: And, uh, protein intake matters too.
- 11:34So we need amino acids to repair damaged muscle fibers and amino acids are the
- 11:40building blocks of protein, which is why each meal should ideally contain
- 11:4420 to 40 grams of protein to optimally stimulate muscle growth and repair.
- 11:49Jen Oliver: And foods with anti-inflammatory properties can help too.
- 11:51Things like berries, food riches in Omega-3 nuts and olive oil.
- 11:56And of course, staying well hydrated is equally important as dehydration
- 12:01can intensify that muscle soreness.
- 12:05Matt Edmundson: So lo and behold, what you're saying is the fundamentals matter.
- 12:09More perhaps than the fancy recovery gadgets that are available
- 12:12Chris Smith: far more, although I know you love your gadgets.
- 12:15But, uh, yeah, adequate sleep, proper nutrition, gradual progression in your
- 12:19training and active recovery when needed.
- 12:21They're the things that will work much better than, um, these
- 12:25expensive pieces of equipment
- 12:26Jen Oliver: and gradual progressions.
- 12:28Probably the most effective prevention strategy slowly increase in exercise
- 12:32intensity, duration, or load.
- 12:34It gives you muscles time to adapt without overwhelming them.
- 12:38Chris Smith: That's it.
- 12:39And experts typically recommend increasing training volume
- 12:42by no more than 10% per week.
- 12:44So that allows for progressive adaptation without triggering
- 12:48this excessive soreness.
- 12:50Matt Edmundson: You know what?
- 12:50I think plenty of people, including myself, if I'm honest,
- 12:55have made the mistake of doing too much too soon after a break.
- 12:59Like you go on holiday, you come back, start exercising, thinking
- 13:02like you should just kick off, you know where you left off.
- 13:06Which you, I've always found a recipe for total soreness.
- 13:10Jen Oliver: Absolutely.
- 13:11But understanding why you get sore can help you be patient with the process
- 13:15rather than pushing through unnecessarily.
- 13:18Chris Smith: Yeah, and it's, it's worth remembering that some soreness
- 13:20is completely normal when you're challenging your body with new
- 13:23activities or increased intensity.
- 13:25It's not a sign of failure or weakness.
- 13:29Matt Edmundson: Okay.
- 13:29So why do we get so muscles after exercising?
- 13:34Chris Smith: It's because exercise, particularly intense movements where
- 13:37muscles lengthen under load, it create microscopic tears in muscles fibers.
- 13:42Your body responds with an inflammatory cascade that repairs the damage, and
- 13:47that process causes a characteristic dull aching sensation we call delayed
- 13:52onset muscle soreness or Doms.
- 13:54Jen Oliver: The soreness peaks one to three days after exercise.
- 13:57'cause the inflammatory response takes time to fully develop.
- 14:00And crucially, this isn't caused by lactic acid, which
- 14:03actually clears within an hour.
- 14:05It's a repair process that's completely normal.
- 14:09And healthy.
- 14:10Matt Edmundson: So the post-workout ache isn't punishment.
- 14:14I must remember this.
- 14:15It's my body's maintenance crew showing up for work.
- 14:18Bit inconvenient time-wise, but it's doing important stuff.
- 14:22Jen Oliver: Exactly.
- 14:24And so now you know that chasing maximum soreness isn't the goal.
- 14:28That light movement can help, and that the fundamentals of sleep, nutrition, they
- 14:34matter more than most recovery trends.
- 14:37So that's it for this week.
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- 14:48Thanks for geeking out with us, but for now, that's it from me.
- 14:52Matt Edmundson: That's it from me.
- 14:53Chris Smith: And that's it from me.
- 14:54Jen Oliver: Bye for now.