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Resilient Leadership with Betty Ogiel - Part 2 | Episode #388 · Legacy Living with Dr. Gloria Burgess

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  Hello, and welcome to today's show, Legacy Living, Make Your Life Count.
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  I'm your host, Doctor Gloria Gloria Burgess, international leadership expert and trusted
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  advisor. Welcome to Legacy Living, Make Your Life Count. I'm so delighted
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  that you joined me today. I have a very special guest on our show.
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  Her name is Betty Ogiel and this is the second part of my conversation
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  with her. Now, if you happen to miss part one one, be
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  sure to find it and listen in to learn and be inspired by Betty's journey
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  and her wisdom. Betty is joining us today from her home country, Uganda.
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  She's an amazing author, an inspiring speaker, and most importantly, she
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  is an advocate and I'm going to say, a champion for hope and resilience.
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  I can't wait for Betty to share more of her remarkable journey and story
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  with you today. Let me give you just a tiny preview. A number
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  of years ago, Betty was severely injured in a car accident, an accident
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  that paralyzed her and left her speechless. By God's mercy and grace, she
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  overcame paralysis, speech loss, and speech impairment. Now Betty will share more
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  about her story in my conversation with her. She also shares more about it
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  in her book Against All Odds. I will let you know how to get
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  a copy of her book later on in the show. In addition to writing,
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  Betty hosts a series of monthly forums which she calls Against All Odds Talks.
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  These talks are absolutely and positively purpose driven, and Betty's purpose is to
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  inspire hope and resilience and to transform lives. Betty is the founder of the
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  Betty Ogiel Foundation in Uganda. Her foundation is a charity organization that educates destitute
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  orphaned girls, especially girls from Karamoja, an impoverished region in Uganda. She
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  is also a multiple award winning human resources professional and she's a Maxwell Team certified
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  coach. Today's topic is resilience and leadership, two topics that are near and
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  dear to my heart. And I can't think of a better person, a
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  better leader, a better human being to address this topic than Betty. I
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  met Betty several years ago when I was attending an international Maxwell certification conference in
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  Orlando, Florida. When I met Betty, we just resonated, We just
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  clicked and when I had an opportunity to hear her speak. She spoke so
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  passionately about her life and her purpose. She was absolutely on fire. So
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  I can't wait to host this incredible, amazing and lovely human being, my
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  friend, colleague and mentor, Betty Ogiel. Now, before I bring Betta,
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  I want to take just a minute, just a moment, to connect
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  the dots between today's topic on resilience and leadership and legacy living. And there
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  are many ways that resilience and leadership connect to legacy living, which you will
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  hear more about later. For now, let me say that legacy living is
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  a way of being and a way of living and moving through the world so
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  that we can make the conscious choice to be the difference we want to see
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  in our world. We make the conscious choice right here, right now,
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  not in some distant future. We make that conscious choice day in and day
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  out, three sixty five, twenty four to seven. More about that later.
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  One more thing before I bring Betty on. Just a reminder, this
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  is part two of our conversation and if you missed part one, beh sure
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  to listen to that episode. Now let me introduce you to my friend and
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  colleague and mentor Betty Ogiel. Betty, I love your spirit, and you
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  have a spirit of you have a spirit of resilience. You also have a
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  spirit of love, and I see you as love InMotion. And one of
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  the ways that you live out that compassion and mercy and care and hope and
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  resilience and love is through your foundation, the Betty Ogiel Foundation. And I
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  wonder if you can just tell us a little bit about that and why you
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  started it and where you are now. Okay, thank you. The Betty
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  Ogill Foundation. I touch it it because my vision is not to see any
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  often girls go through what I went through to attain any education, at least
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  not under my watch. So the foundation supports education of the volunerable girls,
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  especially from the important Varish regions of Uganda, that is Karamoja and Chess where
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  I was brown and bread and Karamoja, of course where most of my life
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  predey comments happen. So I made it through education, but I went through
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  immeasonable obscaccles and challenges, and my number one challenge was school fees. I
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  had a dream. I had a dream, but I had an obstacle called
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  no school fees. Mm hmm. Right from the time I was abandoned by
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  my garden. I had no one to phend for me and give me school
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  fees, and yet I had a dream. I cried to go to school.
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  I cried my heart out to the attention of our neighbors who we are
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  also poor, and he could not support me. The only thing they could
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  do say stop crying, you are going to die. Mm hmmm, yes,
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  I and that at that time I did not care. All I wanted
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  was to go to school. And I guess I did not care crying and
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  dying while hoping to go to school. So I the foundation supports girls,
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  especially the needy of fans, and uh we cater for all these scholastic materials
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  and including the field. Most organizations which support education give only school fees.
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  But I'm telling you I was in a dire situation where giving me school fees
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  was not enough. I had no transport money, I had no clothes,
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  I had no books, I had nothing, no accommodation. So now we
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  support the girls in everything. And my my first graduate is Slavia Moding.
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  What is her name? Slavia s y l B. I a Moding So
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  yes, I did not know her, but I met her in high school
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  and she lost her dad and her dream of education was to end there,
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  and I picked interest in letting a complete education. So she is now completing
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  university this semester. I must tell you that we decided to educate her when
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  we did not have any penny for her tuition, just like the way I
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  joined university under private scholars sponsorship. Without a sponsor, I guess my My
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  sponsor was God. Yes, yes, but through persistent modibiliarization of fans.
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  Yes, she is almost completing three years. Of course, not resilience.
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  We would have stopped the way because I tell you last was it early last
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  year? Yes, it was geny worry of years before COVID it. To
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  enable her go back to university, we we we had to two draw and
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  clear our savings account like the money we had served. Yes, yes,
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  and I did that because I am passionate about helping people. Because I'm here
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  because someone helds, sacrificed and helped me. So there's no need of me
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  having money in the bank account while a girl is an often girl having her
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  dream of education being shattered. Then secondly, the strong force was that in
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  my high school I had a friend and I talked about this friend in my
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  book Against All Odds, which people can get in an Amazon. This girl
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  committed suicide because she wanted to continue with the education and she had no sponsor.
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  The person who who had paid for her to a certain level said that
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  was unable to two to continue sponsoring, and she couldn't imagine life without achieving
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  a dream of education. And that is how she committed suicide. And that
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  really hurts me because this was a beautiful girl, she was intelligent. All
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  our dreams are now lying in their grave, and your your mention, your
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  purpose is to not let that happen to other girls. No, no,
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  not under my watch. Yes, not under your watch. And you know,
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  Betty, So we have listeners all over the world, and not everybody
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  really understands what it means to be an orphan girl, an orphan child,
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  an orphan girl in particular in Uganda. So can you tell our listeners what
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  that means and why this is so important for you? Okay? And often
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  child in Uganda, depending on which kind of family they are from, but
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  speaking for many, when you lose your brand winner life, life becomes hard.
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  Yes, uh, you have no shelter, you have no food,
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  you have your dreams are taken away from you, your voice is taken away
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  from you. Anyone can do anything to you. You are at the mercy
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  of uh anyone and everyone, yes, yes, yes so and and to
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  add on to that, being an often girl in a karamoja at that time,
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  mm hmmm, the karamojo did not appreciate the value of educating a girl
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  because a girl was supposed to be married off. The family gets counts and
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  you go and suffer. I did see that happening to most of my friends
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  who dropped out of school, and I never wanted that to happen to me,
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  and now I don't want that to happen to any girl dropping from my
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  personal experience. When my father died, I was too young to understand anything,
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  but stories are told to me that because my mother was an illiterate woman,
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  had not gone to school and seeing the black ball at all, right,
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  and she was a peasant farmer, a housewife. Yes, my dad,
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  on the other hand, was educated. So when he died, my
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  mom was left with the seven children, left to any literate woman who does
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  not know how to speak English, and so we were distributed to our relatives,
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  to our uncles uh and uh. We became slaves to the people who
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  were assigned to But before that, someone saw us suffering with our mother.
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  We had no clothes to put on. We were we're wearing drugs. We
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  were making knickers. Me and my sister, we are making nickers with the
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  leaves, with the rugs. Yes. So a good Summaritan sent for us
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  a bale of used clothes, used clothes, and I picked one dress,
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  and that dress became my everything. I went to my uncle's place within that
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  dress. It was not a new dress, it was a used dress.
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  But it was my Sunday where it was my uniform. It was my Christmas
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  where it was my night dress. It was my everything. And when it
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  got worn out, I cut and I had only a scrut. Yes,
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  And that is the life of an open thank you you are of other people.
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  It sounds like yes, yes, and I didn't mean yeah. I
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  didn't mean to cut you off. So please no, no, yes,
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  And you have no rights, all rights taken away from yes. So when
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  you say that under my watch, this will not happen under my watch,
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  I yes. I really feel the power of that, Betty. And thank
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  you for sharing more with our listeners, because I know that they will feel
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  the power of what you're saying more fully with that deeper understanding of what it
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  means to be an orphan in Uganda, you know. And this is uh,
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  this is twenty twenty one, right, yeah, thank you, thank
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  you, so Betty. I'm curious about this. And lots of people see
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  the thread, but very few people hold on to that thread, that thread
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  that you talked about, that thread of hope. And so I'm wondering if
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  you can just share with our with our listeners, why you need to hang
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  on to that thread and to fight for that thread. You know, challenges,
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  problems are meant to refine us, just like fire purifies gold. So
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  when you let that thread go, you are giving up in the process of
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  purification. You might give up when you were about to come out be released.
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  So the problems are meant to to to to purify us, refine us.
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  And and and uh m hmm. This is saying that a faith that
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  has not been tested cannot be trusted. So we will. We all face
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  trials, we all first tribulations, adversity, But the real thing is never
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  to give up. If you catch yourself almost giving up, do this find
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  a reason for living. Yes, remember your dreams, aspire for something,
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  realize that moment is not permanent. I I always tell people that there is
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  no permanent situation on earth, good or bye. But I have seen people
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  who were born extremely poor, under poverty, treacking circumstances, and they have
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  just because they never gave up. They held only that thread and now they
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  are living equality life. And I have also seen people who big, who
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  were born with the slavers spoons in their mouths, and they they late,
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  they spart there that slavers spoon out and remained within nothing. They failed to
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  hold that slaver spoon. They misused the opportunity. People are like us who
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  were born with the horse and the shavels and it slashers in their mouths.
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  Know that yes you have, you have. You cannot let that slasher go.
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  That your future is in in that hope. So find a reason for
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  living, have a dream, focus on what is happening, not what is
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  not happening, and realize that it is a moment like no other, to
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  to to not give up. Yes, thank you, Betty, Thank you
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  Betty. So you know you are a lot of our story. Yours and
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  mind intersect, and so I don't live in Uganda obviously, but I live
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  in the United States and was born into extreme, extreme poverty. Uh,
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  and so I really identify with what you're saying. And I'm just wondering before
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  we close, if you could just talk a little bit to our listeners.
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  Were you were put in these circumstances and you fought, and you were dedicated,
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  and you held on to the thread and you focused and you found a
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  reason. And so can you talk to our listeners. You know, is
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  this something that you were born with or are these traits that anyone anyone can
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  reach into and develop. I believe resilience is like a muscle. All of
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  us are born with the muscles and and uh, some of us go ahead
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  and develop our muscles, work physical, go on physical work out two develop
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  our muscles into strong. Yes, to strengthen our muscles, and uh,
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  some of us decide not to to two develop our muscles. So everybody has
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  a trait of the resilience. Everybody can be resilient. It just depends on
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  what you decide at the end of the day. Because when things happen to
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  you, whether you are a president or a jobless person in the street,
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  oh oh, a minister, you all have the same decision to make whether
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  to give up, oh there the devil, and keep on keeping on.
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  So silience is the choice you make that you are going to and all this
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  situation in and with a positive mental attitude. Thank you, no matter what,
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  Yes, no matter what, no matter what, be a no matter
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  what person. Yes. Someone asked me the in the office, Betty,
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  you are ever smiling. What do you ever get annoyed? Of course I
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  ever. I get annoyed, I get mad, but I don't. I've
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  gone through a lot in my life that I have mastered how to manage my
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  emotions. And yes, everyone has the resilience scens of residents in them.
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  It is just up to you to activate them. Let me with this story.
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  In twenty seventeen, when I released my book Against All Odds, there
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  is a lady, a CEO who read my book and uh and he requested
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  for a meeting within me. And in that meeting, she was like,
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  Betty, did you go through all these things you have written in the book.
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  Then I said, yes, I went through. How did you manage?
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  I think for me I cannot. I would have given up. Then
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  I say, I told you know, what do you do when life pushes
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  you in a corner, like fight off light mode. What do you do?
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  So some of those circumstances like just pushed me in a corner, I
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  had to fight to get in the fight mode and and that is how I
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  overcame. Then then I told her you can also overcome. You have the
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  ability, you have the seeds. Oh my god. Unfortunately, six months
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  later she got an accident. Mm hmmm, yes, she fail and her
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  uncle twisted and she was on a cratch. She was moving with the support
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  for a long time. Then she called me, Betty, do you know
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  what to me? I said, no, I got an accident, and
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  I remembered what I had told her, and she told me, you remember
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  what you told me that those words kept me going, kept me going.
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  You can also do it. Everyone has seeds over residents. Yes, thank
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  you for sharing that story. Absolutely. Thank you for sharing that story,
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  Betty, And you know, thank you for just breathing life into your own
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  life, into the lives of others, and into the lives of our listeners.
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  You know, stories are so powerful and your story is amazing. So
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  thank you for being here today with me as a guest on my podcast.
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  And I'm going to be sure to share your material, your information, your
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  contact information with our listeners. So thank you, so very very very much,
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  Thank you too, Thank you too, and thank you to you are
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  listeners for being here and listening to me. And we can all develop our
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  resilience muscles. We only need to change our thinking patterns towards residence and know
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  that, yes, what you mind is what you will in mind. If
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  you have a chicken hat, you can not have a lion's share. Don't
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  give up on your dreams. Yes, thank you so inspiring, rock solid
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  gold. Right now, be sure to tune in for part one of my
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  conversation with Betty. In Part one, she shares more about her story and
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  more about why it's so important for her to transform lives through the power of
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  purpose, resilience, and hope. I feel so blessed to know Betty.
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  Clearly, she is a leader's leader. Betty makes a difference in her own
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  life and in the lives of so many others, in her own family and
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  throughout the world, in her work as an author and speaker and as a
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  certified John Maxwell coach, and as the founder and leader of the Bettyogiel Foundation.
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  As I mentioned earlier, her purpose is to inspire, hope and transform
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  lives. Now you know why. To learn more about Betty's work, you
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  can go to this website. It's the Bettyogiel dot com website and that's Betty
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  b E T T y O g i E l dot com. Okay,
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  that's www dot Bettyogiel dot com. To learn more about Betty's inspiring story and
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  to buy her book Against All Odds, be sure to go to this website.
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  That's www. Against All Odds dot life l i f E Www.
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  Against All Odds dot Life l I f E. Now, if you're just
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  joining us, I'm doctor Gloria and this is Legacy Living. Make your life
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  count. We've just heard from my very special guest, Betty Ogiel, author,
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  inspiring speaker, and JMT coach. Be sure to tune in for part
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  one of my conversation with Betty and be inspired and transformed as she shares all
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  about her amazing journey through difficult obstacles, through trying circumstances, and her triumph
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  over adversity Against All Odds. Now, if you want to make your life
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  count, if you want to be the change you seek, be sure to
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  Before I close today's show, I want to give a shout out to all
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  the women, men, and our young people and children all around the world,
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  because you know what, we are the ones. We are the ones
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  we have been waiting for. What do I mean by that? What I
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  mean is don't wait. Don't wait for somebody else to step up and speak
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  up and make things happen, because guess what, they might not They might
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  not step up. In fact, they might not even know you're there waiting
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  for them to do something for you. But you can be the one.
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  In fact, can I just tell you some you are the one. You
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  the days in your life count. That's what legacy living is all about.
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  Have a fantastic day and remember, make the days in your life count.
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  Gloria Burgess. I hope you'll join me again next time. Until then,
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