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Ep. 825: Snowflake Man and the Cadaver Otter | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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Speaker 1: Smell us now, Lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
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Speaker 2: That's also eleven am for our friends in moab Utah
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Speaker 2: on Thursday, January twenty second, when we're live from Meat
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Speaker 2: Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today
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Speaker 2: by Jannis and Seth. On today's show, we'll interview Sue
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Speaker 2: Richardson about the historical figure Wilson Snowflake Bentley. Then we'll
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Speaker 2: review some items for gear Talk, followed by a batch
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Speaker 2: of top threes, and finally we'll interview Michael Hadsel about
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Speaker 2: the world's one and only search and rescue otter. First, Seth, Yanni,
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Speaker 2: what have you boys been up to?
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Speaker 1: Cold? January? Uh? Cold? Cold this weekend? This is like
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Speaker 1: the first weeks cold feels notable.
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Speaker 2: Have you seen the forecast for like east of US,
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Speaker 2: Northern Minnesota, negative seventy wind chill.
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Speaker 3: Well northern Montana, like up on the high Line, Malta.
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Speaker 3: They're they're getting real cold stuff.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's getting real winter.
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Speaker 3: Besides US, Pennsylvania's getting real cold stuff, a lot of snow.
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Speaker 1: Right now, we've boy's been up to I went and
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Speaker 1: did a little.
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Speaker 3: My wife and I went out to eastern Montana last weekend,
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Speaker 3: did a little looking around for things, fossils and whatnot.
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Speaker 1: You're the only one who was rock counting in January.
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Speaker 3: Well, I used getting old, but uh, you know it's
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Speaker 3: been warm and there's everything's not covered up in snow.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a perfect Did you find found
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Speaker 3: some back lights?
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Speaker 1: How big? Show me? Uh?
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Speaker 3: I found one that was probably four or five inches long. Good,
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Speaker 3: And then we found like three of those and then found,
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Speaker 3: uh the part of a bison vertebrae that has the
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Speaker 3: thing sticking up real high on them.
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Speaker 2: Oh, like the on their back. Yeah, way cool. That
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Speaker 2: showed me how big that was.
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Speaker 1: That was probably six seven inches tall. And then.
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Speaker 3: We found I just I can't like confirm how authentic
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Speaker 3: this is, but we found some carvings in Sandstone. That
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Speaker 3: one was in June twenty fifth, nineteen eleven, Frenchy the Trapper.
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Speaker 2: Oh and you're suspicious that may not have been in
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Speaker 2: nineteen eleven from Frenchy the Trap.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you just can't tell, you know, like I want to,
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Speaker 3: it totally could be. I believe it's hard it's hard
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Speaker 3: to tell. And then we found another carving that, you know,
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Speaker 3: like the famous Western artist Charlie Russell, like the.
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Speaker 1: Cmrs named after.
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Speaker 3: We found a cm carved in sandstone that looks very
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Speaker 3: similar to his signature.
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Speaker 1: That's way cool.
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Speaker 3: So Kelsey's a big fan of Oh yeah, a huge fan. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: we have his work, prince of his work hanging in
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Speaker 3: our house. Huh. But yeah, I can't, like I said,
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Speaker 3: can't confirm if it's really authentic stuff.
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Speaker 1: But are you gonna are you gonna bring these findings
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Speaker 1: to someone else's attention that could maybe authenticate them? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we know a guy that's part of like
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Speaker 3: the the Charlie Russell Historic Society thing or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be something?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be cool. It'd be super cool. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's what I've been doing.
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Speaker 1: Johnny Lyon, Man, you like the winter? Love it? You don't?
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Speaker 2: I mean, if I were ranking the four seasons, it's
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Speaker 2: an easy fourth place for me, no question about it.
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Speaker 1: I've never thought about ranking the seasons like you above four.
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Speaker 1: I would not live in a place it doesn't have
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Speaker 1: four seasons, I agree, but I don't know, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's one of those like Steve things of God's pointing
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Speaker 1: a gun at your head and you have to pick
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Speaker 1: you know, the great like they're all great. Sure, running
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Speaker 1: is great in the winter. Running is great in the
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Speaker 1: summer too, but for different reasons.
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Speaker 2: Right, Fall number one, Summer number two, Spring number three,
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Speaker 2: Winter number four?
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Speaker 1: Easy you go now? Oh geez uh? Fall one two,
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Speaker 1: Spring three, Winter for summer? Wow, what an upset? So
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Speaker 1: you love winter? You freak a lot of good things
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Speaker 1: to do in the winter. Okay, tell me what you've
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Speaker 1: been doing then, Well, yeah, we haven't been doing the
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Speaker 1: normal winter activities because of our lack of snow here.
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Speaker 1: But ming has not been trying to catch lions, uh,
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Speaker 1: not doing real good at that. I have not caught
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Speaker 1: a single one yet. Been getting not really messed up
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Speaker 1: by the lack of snow so much, but I've had
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Speaker 1: a lot of One time we had too much snow
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Speaker 1: happened while we were on a fresh track that we
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Speaker 1: knew was a fresh track from the day before. I
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Speaker 1: might have already talked about this, but this track literally
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Speaker 1: filled in. That was like the only snowstorm that we've
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Speaker 1: had this winter, and I just happened to be on
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Speaker 1: a track that day. But I've had a bunch where
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Speaker 1: they've gone into private. It's just a thing with Montana, man,
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Speaker 1: there's like a even though we have a lot of public,
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Speaker 1: there's just always some private around. And then you know
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Speaker 1: those cats take a left instead of it right, and
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Speaker 1: they're going towards private. Nothing you can do about it.
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Speaker 2: Sure, and you can get access to that private and
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Speaker 2: you know, especially if you're within an hour of Bozeman here,
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Speaker 2: like that private could be very skinny. And then he's
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Speaker 2: already three private parcels away.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it doesn't make sense to call somebody
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Speaker 1: to access forty acres or even a couple hundred acres. Now,
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Speaker 1: if it's like thousands, it makes sense. And I've been
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Speaker 1: I've been calling them. But we did catch our first
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Speaker 1: Bobcat ever solo two weekends ago, which was a you know,
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Speaker 1: it's a real proud moment for me as a houndowner,
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Speaker 1: do mag.
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Speaker 2: It's know, the difference when he's like on a track
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Speaker 2: like this is a Bobcat, this is.
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Speaker 1: A you don't think so no, I don't know. There's
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Speaker 1: no way that I could I would know. But what
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Speaker 1: was cool about it is that he'd already tracked one
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Speaker 1: for a while, and he's so poor at catching bobcats.
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Speaker 1: A lot of times, if I know it's a bobcat
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Speaker 1: track and it's early in the day, I'll kind of
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Speaker 1: let him do it, but I'm gonna sort of start
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Speaker 1: like keep meandering the way I'm gonna I'm going because
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Speaker 1: I want to see if we can find a lion track, right,
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Speaker 1: And the reason being I've talked about this before too,
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Speaker 1: but just to explain to everybody, lions have small lungs.
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Speaker 1: They cannot outrun a hound, so when they get pressured
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Speaker 1: by dogs, they immediately go up in a tree or
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Speaker 1: they bay up or whatever. Sometimes there might be a
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Speaker 1: quarter mile, you know, a little bit of a sprint
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Speaker 1: or something, but they don't have the endurance to do
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Speaker 1: things like bobcats do, which have much bigger lungs. And
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Speaker 1: I guess that it's just because a bobcat is prey
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Speaker 1: to more animals than a lion is. Lion just sits
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Speaker 1: on to higher up the hierarchy. You know. The only
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Speaker 1: thing that really chases the line around might be a
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Speaker 1: giant bear or a wolf, and they're probably not really
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Speaker 1: chasing them so much is they're just running them off
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Speaker 1: of kiels and whatever. A bobcat though he's you know,
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Speaker 1: pack of coylots can take them out, you know, who
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Speaker 1: knows what else, so they can stay ahead of hounds.
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Speaker 1: And if they have a jump, then they start to
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Speaker 1: do figure eights, backtrack, go up trees, jump from one
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Speaker 1: tree to another tree, come down the other tree, and
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Speaker 1: do different things. So they're just harder to get close
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Speaker 1: to to put the pressure on, because again you got
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Speaker 1: to put the pressure on and make them go up
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Speaker 1: into a tree. Well, while they're doing these loops of stuff,
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Speaker 1: like if you're in the zone, there's a chance you
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Speaker 1: can see a bobcat, right And it's never happened to me.
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Speaker 1: But Jennifer was with me, why my wife, and we're
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Speaker 1: staying there and Mingus has been on the track now
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Speaker 1: for I don't know half an hour, and I could
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Speaker 1: hear it in his voice that something had changed, like
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Speaker 1: there was a little more intensity to it. The barking
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Speaker 1: was becoming more rapid. I'm like, man, he might have
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Speaker 1: jumped him, you know, like there he might be onto something.
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Speaker 1: And I said to Jennifer, wouldn't it be cool like
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Speaker 1: if we just like saw bobcat come sneaking through here?
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Speaker 1: You know, while Mingus is on his track, and two
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Speaker 1: minutes later, five minutes later, I look up the hill
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Speaker 1: and here comes a bobcat, not worried whatsoever that he's
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Speaker 1: got one hundred pound pound somewhere one hundred yards behind him.
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Speaker 1: He's just slinking through the woods, not looking over his shoulder.
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Speaker 1: How far away was Mingus? You think one hundred plus
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Speaker 1: one hundred to one hundred and fifty yards and uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: this bobcat comes down the hill, comes by Jennifer for
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Speaker 1: and I at ten yards. I should have gave this
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Speaker 1: video to Philly, could have shared it and it was cool.
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Speaker 1: I got my camera out fast enough and got you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe three four seconds I've been walking through. Did you
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Speaker 1: hear him coming or you just saw him? No, just
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Speaker 1: happened to look up the hill and saw him, and
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Speaker 1: they just flowed across the earth. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Just silent and deadly, you know, not butt deadly, but
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Speaker 1: silent and deadly. Unfortunately, Jennifer's like digging in her backpack
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Speaker 1: when I look over at her, so I'm like trying
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Speaker 1: to make noise, but not too much noise, because she was,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen feet away from me and luckily
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Speaker 1: she heard me, looked up and saw it too. We're
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Speaker 1: both sort of so astounded at the what we had
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Speaker 1: just seen. We're just sitting there in awe, being like,
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Speaker 1: whoa man like keep believe that?
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Speaker 4: You know?
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Speaker 1: That was so rad And it takes me a couple
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Speaker 1: of minutes and I'm like, oh shit, I better call
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Speaker 1: Mingus over here. That's a hot track right there. There
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Speaker 1: hasn't been a hotter track ever. And Mingus calms call
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Speaker 1: him over and it still took him probably fifteen twenty
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Speaker 1: minutes to put enough pressure on him to get him
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Speaker 1: into a tree. Like again, I wasn't thinking we were
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Speaker 1: going to catch it. So we continued down the hill,
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Speaker 1: went to the creek bottom, took off our packs, started
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Speaker 1: snacking and by the time We've gotten a couple of
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Speaker 1: bites and I'm like, oh, he's barking treed. So we
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Speaker 1: packed up and walked up there, and sure enough he
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Speaker 1: had him.
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Speaker 2: Good did he see the bobcat in the tree? Oh yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: he knows, Oh yeah good.
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Speaker 1: He did not want to leave the tree because I
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Speaker 1: didn't have my uh wish Steve was here so he
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Speaker 1: could make more fun of me about this. But in Montana,
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Speaker 1: probably a lot of places. You got to buy a
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Speaker 1: fur bear license before the season starts if you want
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Speaker 1: to kill a bobcat. I had not done that this year,
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Speaker 1: just slip my mind. So they're safe. And so yeah,
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Speaker 1: we had to walk away from one in the tree.
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Speaker 1: But honestly, it's like, I don't know, I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: think how to put it, But if it's one or
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Speaker 1: the other, I'd rather just have my dog catching bobcats
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Speaker 1: and looking at him and walking away like that's waycore
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Speaker 1: than to say I like, I'd rather have three the
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Speaker 1: Mingus had caught on his own and taking pictures of
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Speaker 1: it than one he had caught and I got to
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Speaker 1: kill it. Yeah, good for Mingus. Yeah, more more Mingus
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Speaker 1: stories to come. So luckily we have. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: only the end of January. We still have February, March,
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Speaker 1: half of April to keep hunting lions and cats.
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Speaker 2: The winter pervert lovers like you, honest, a lot of
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Speaker 2: winter to go. Speaking of winter, let's go to our
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Speaker 2: first guest of the day. Joining us on the line
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Speaker 2: now is Sue Richardson, the VP of the Jericho Historical Society.
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Speaker 2: Sue is here to talk to us about her great
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Speaker 2: great uncle, Wilson Snowflake Bentley.
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Speaker 1: Sue, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 5: Thanks, it's puny to be here.
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Speaker 2: First thing, Sue, please explain who your great great uncle
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Speaker 2: was and how he got the nickname Snowflake.
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Speaker 5: Well, if you grew up on the snowflakes are like,
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Speaker 5: it's because of Wilson Bentley. He was the first person
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Speaker 5: to ever photograph an individual snow crystal. He went on
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Speaker 5: to do photograph more than five thousand of him over
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Speaker 5: the next forty six years, and he not only photographed them,
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Speaker 5: but he studied. Each photograph had a corresponding entry in
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Speaker 5: his journal with which documented temperature, humidity, what part of
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Speaker 5: the storm it came from. All of this weather data,
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Speaker 5: and from that he developed many many theories on how
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Speaker 5: these crystals form and what factors impact how they change
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Speaker 5: and grow. And in fact, most of what scientists today
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Speaker 5: know about snow came from his research in the late
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Speaker 5: eighteen and early nineteen hundreds. So the nickname was actually
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Speaker 5: given to him by a reporter from the Boston Globe.
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Speaker 5: We did a story on him in the early nineteen
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Speaker 5: hundreds and gave him the handle the Snowflake Man, which
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Speaker 5: kind of Morphed into Snowflake Bentley.
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Speaker 2: His images are beautiful, filled with so much detail that
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Speaker 2: it's shocking that he pulled this off with technology from
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Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds. Tell us about the setup that he
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Speaker 2: used to capture these pictures which we're looking at right now.
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Speaker 2: You can see these on our YouTube channel.
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Speaker 5: He had a Bellows camera and he replaced the lens
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Speaker 5: with a microscope, figured out a way to attach it,
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Speaker 5: and that's how he got the magnification. And of course
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Speaker 5: those cameras used glass negatives, so they were very it
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Speaker 5: was very stable.
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Speaker 6: For the tipe.
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Speaker 5: For the timeframe, photography was pretty much in its infancy,
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Speaker 5: only twenty twenty five years that photographs have been real
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Speaker 5: easily taken if you will. But he was a brilliant man.
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Speaker 5: He was seventeen years old when he started this process
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Speaker 5: when his mother bought him that camera and microscope for
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Speaker 5: his they and it took three years of trial and
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Speaker 5: error to figure out how to put it together, how
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Speaker 5: to make it all work. He had to experiment with
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Speaker 5: different stops to get the to control the amount of
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Speaker 5: light coming in, and he worked in an unheated woodshed
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Speaker 5: at the back of the house because it needed to
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Speaker 5: be cold so the snow crystals wouldn't melt while he
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Speaker 5: did the process.
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Speaker 1: How can I ask how did he capture the snowflakes.
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Speaker 5: He had wooden tray they made with wire handles. He
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Speaker 5: would step out of this woodshed into the storm, test
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Speaker 5: the falling snow on this tray. Then he would step
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Speaker 5: back into the woodshed, out of the wind and grab
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Speaker 5: a magnifying glass to do a quick scan to see
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Speaker 5: if there was anything worthy of photographing, and if they was,
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Speaker 5: he made a He initially used a straw from the
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Speaker 5: old room as a tool to touch it to the
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Speaker 5: center of this little snow crystal and transfer it to
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Speaker 5: the microscope slide. In later years he created a stylus
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Speaker 5: of wood with a sharp point on a larger end
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Speaker 5: so it was easier to manipulate that. He would transfer
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Speaker 5: to the microscope slide and put it under his microscope,
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Speaker 5: his observation microscope, to make sure it was again worthy
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Speaker 5: of photographing, and then he would He had this weird
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Speaker 5: process because the the slide had to be vertical in
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Speaker 5: the stage on the microscope slash lens, so he used
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Speaker 5: a turkey feather because they saw that would press the
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Speaker 5: cold snow crystal to the cold glass, slide it into
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Speaker 5: the stage on the microscope, go to the back of
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Speaker 5: the camera. Go the black cloth over his head. You
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Speaker 5: know you've seen it in the old movies. That's legit,
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Speaker 5: how those work, and bring it to the focus and.
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Speaker 6: Take a picture.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool, Snowflake. Was you and said that had
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Speaker 2: never been done before. And I imagine that this elicited
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Speaker 2: some strong feelings from those around him. What did his
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Speaker 2: friends and family think of his work?
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Speaker 5: They thought he was crazy. These people are practical formon
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Speaker 5: farmers and messing with snow. To them, they just could
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Speaker 5: not fathom any particular, any purpose, any sense in doing this.
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Speaker 5: And it doesn't add there no production from me, dairy cow's.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't make your crafts go any better. They just
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Speaker 5: thought it waste of time and pure foolishness. Later years,
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Speaker 5: they did come to appreciate it. After he became basically
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Speaker 5: known all over the world, they did come to.
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Speaker 6: Appreciate it, But they initially thought he was.
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Speaker 1: Nuts. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: What about the scientific community, what did they think of
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Speaker 2: his work?
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Speaker 5: Well, for the first dozen years or so that he
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Speaker 5: was photographing these, he didn't write about it or talk
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Speaker 5: about his own. But he studied these and he started
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Speaker 5: developing all these theories, and when he was finally published
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Speaker 5: in eighteen ninety eight in a scientific magazine. He then
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Speaker 5: worked prolifically over the next decade, and he was ignored
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Speaker 5: by the scientific community for a decade. I think there
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Speaker 5: was probably some arrogance there, you know, what does sometimes
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Speaker 5: a farmer know that we don't know. And also he
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Speaker 5: was very eloquent in his style of writing, and of
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Speaker 5: course scientific writing is supposed to be purely objective, just factual,
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Speaker 5: and he would go off in these flowery pros because
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Speaker 5: he was so enamored with the beauty he's on and
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Speaker 5: he couldn't help himself. So they ignored him until he couldn't.
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Speaker 5: But in the meantime, colleges and universities from around the
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Speaker 5: world were buying copies of his negatives and his prints
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Speaker 5: for teaching purposes. And he touched five cents apiece for
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Speaker 5: duplicate which is exactly what it cost him to make
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Speaker 5: a duplicate negative. And when he died in nineteen thirty one,
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Speaker 5: he was still charging five cents apiece. He never raised
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Speaker 5: his price. He spent more money than.
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Speaker 2: He ever made Besides the five thousand snowflakes, what else
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Speaker 2: did Snowflake Bentley take pictures of?
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Speaker 5: Well, he took he had another camera that he took
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Speaker 5: pictures of clouds and snow rollers and different weather phenomena.
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Speaker 5: In addition to family members and just life on the farm.
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Speaker 5: He also photographed frost on window panes and on plants,
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Speaker 5: and do on plants and spiderwebs and insects. Just he
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Speaker 5: was fascinated with it, with pretty much everything in the
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Speaker 5: natural world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, SOE please tell folks how they can experience Snowflake
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Speaker 2: Bentley's work in person and online.
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Speaker 5: Here in Jericho, Vermont, in a historic building called the
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Speaker 5: Old Red Mail, which is an eighteen hundred s gistmill,
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Speaker 5: we house the Snuffy Exhibit, which is his cameras, his microscopes,
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Speaker 5: all of the equipment that you worked with, some of
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Speaker 5: these original photographs and negatives. It's a neat exhibit. We
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Speaker 5: literally have people that come from all over the world
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Speaker 5: to see this exhibit and actually see the equivalently work with.
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Speaker 5: There's a children's book that was published in nineteen ninety
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Speaker 5: eight that's still in print, the Wiman Caldecot Award. So
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Speaker 5: we get teachers from all over the world because it's
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Speaker 5: published in multiple languages, so it's really it's a fascinating exhibit. Definitely,
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Speaker 5: if you're anywhere in this part of the country, it's
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Speaker 5: definitely worth the time to come by.
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Speaker 6: And see it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for joining us to and thanks for
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Speaker 2: continuing the legacy of your great great uncle Snowflake Bentley.
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Speaker 6: You're welcome. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Sue, Thanks Sue.
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Speaker 2: I'm fixing to order me one of those pictures of snowflakes,
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Speaker 2: Snowflake and.
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Speaker 1: Hang that up at home. Oh yeah, I love that
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Speaker 1: they're from the eighteen hundreds. Yeah, that'd be a great
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Speaker 1: little print to have hang on the wall. Yeah all right.
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Speaker 1: Our next segment is gear Talk.
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Speaker 6: Talk about gear.
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Speaker 4: But I know how fun Who has his name is
20:04
Speaker 4: Johannis to tell less, it makes me wonder Fan Feet
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Speaker 4: still wants to talk up about gear.
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Speaker 1: Because he doesn't have a choice.
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Speaker 2: How much funny when he spends it's Yanny talking gear again.
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Speaker 1: Yanny talking gear again. Great tune. What are you reviewing
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Speaker 1: for us today with gear talking? Well, Spencer, I brought
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Speaker 1: in my new favorite.
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Speaker 2: Backpack okay, loaded up with gear too. That thing must
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Speaker 2: be what thirty pounds.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say somewhere around there. Did you pick it up? No? Yeah,
20:43
Speaker 1: it doesn't have any water in it right now. So
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Speaker 1: it gets about two pounds heavier when I go out.
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Speaker 1: And the reason being is because my pistol and my
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Speaker 1: rifle are in here, and uh, you know, guns just
20:56
Speaker 1: they add a lot of weight. But if I continue
20:59
Speaker 1: to not sheot bobcats out of trees and I don't
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Speaker 1: need to carry yeah either of those. Just walk around
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Speaker 1: with your camera. Get all right? Tell us about this backpack. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: initial Assent. I found out about him. I think it
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Speaker 1: was right about a year ago. I was at the
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Speaker 1: Western Hunt Expo and my buddy Duke Wastony from First
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Speaker 1: Light came by our booth or we were maybe at
21:21
Speaker 1: the First Light booth, and he's like, hey, you need
21:23
Speaker 1: to go check come check out these Initial Ascent packs.
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Speaker 1: And so I went over and I saw it. I'm like, yeah,
21:28
Speaker 1: whatever looks like a pack.
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Speaker 2: Duke is the guy that the First Light guys talk
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Speaker 2: about as though he's a god in the mountains. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: like Duke is the badass mountain hunter. Yeah crew, yeah, okay,
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Speaker 2: And he told you to check out. He told me
21:42
Speaker 2: to check it out. So, yeah, when Duke tells me
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Speaker 2: to check something out, I usually pay attention. They had it, man,
21:48
Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact numbers, but they had the
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Speaker 2: pack itself loaded with like eighty pounds, and I put
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Speaker 2: it on. I'm like, all right, yeah, it feels all right,
21:57
Speaker 2: feels heavy, and they're like, okay, now we're gonna add on.
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Speaker 2: I forget what it was sixty more or something. They
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Speaker 2: basically hung these.
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Speaker 1: Sand filled dry bags off of these hooks right here
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Speaker 1: on each side, and then they're like, now, go walk
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Speaker 1: around for ten minutes and come back. And after that
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Speaker 1: little tour, it was enough to be like, Okay, I
22:17
Speaker 1: definitely need to try one of these. A lot of
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Speaker 1: packs carry weight. I feel like decently, well, does this
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Speaker 1: one excel at it? You know, better than the other
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Speaker 1: ones I've been using. Maybe it's one percent better. I
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Speaker 1: don't know, Like I know I can carry weight with it.
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Speaker 1: It's like when you have a one hundred pounds on
22:37
Speaker 1: your back. It all starts to hurt after a while,
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Speaker 1: no matter how good the pack is. What I really like, though,
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Speaker 1: is because ninety five percent of the time when I'm
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Speaker 1: wearing this pack, it doesn't have one hundred pounds of
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Speaker 1: meat in it. Instead it's got thirty pounds of gear
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Speaker 1: in it, or maybe even just twenty and I'm sneaking
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Speaker 1: through the woods trying to put an arrow through an
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Speaker 1: elk or whatever it might be. And so how it
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Speaker 1: rides in those cases, in those scenarios is probably more
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Speaker 1: important me than how well it carries the weight, right.
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Speaker 1: It's one of the things that stands out for this
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Speaker 1: pack for me is that when it's on my back,
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Speaker 1: there's I have to really try to get my elbows
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Speaker 1: or my tricep to touch the pack behind me, and
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Speaker 1: so it's not like it's a big bulk thing sticking
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Speaker 1: out my sides. It's very slim profile and looking at it,
23:23
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily look like that when when you see it,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, wearing it like I can draw my brooke
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Speaker 1: bow freely, it's just not in my way whatsoever. I'm
23:32
Speaker 1: a fan of simple packs too, And as you can
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Speaker 1: see here, it's basically got the one main compartment. The
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Speaker 1: main compartment has I think another two zippers inside of it,
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Speaker 1: and then it's got these one outside compartment. Very tidy,
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Speaker 1: very yeah, super super tidy. I'm not a fan of
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Speaker 1: the packs with you know, fifty pockets and fifty zippers.
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Speaker 1: It just adds weight and complicates things that I don't
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Speaker 1: need it. So yeah, the frame, uh, carbon fiber frame,
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Speaker 1: and who else does that? Uh people have stays that
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Speaker 1: are carbon fiber. I don't know anybody else that has
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Speaker 1: a full frame like this. Yeah, that seems pretty unique.
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Speaker 1: Catches your eye right away. Yeah, for sure.
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Speaker 3: The top part of the frame here is that like
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Speaker 3: a can you like hook your your you're right rightfless
24:22
Speaker 3: thing on that. Oh yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, definitely very
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Speaker 3: easy to take the bag off and and put it
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Speaker 3: back on if you're going to take it off, just
24:33
Speaker 3: to care if you don't want to carry the bag
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Speaker 3: itself while you're packing meat. It's got a load shelf
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Speaker 3: in there. So yeah, just simple.
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Speaker 1: I like simple things at work, and this pack definitely
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Speaker 1: does that. So I put a few pictures up the
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Speaker 1: pills shown now where I think I've packed at least
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Speaker 1: a half dozen animals in it. That was my bull
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Speaker 1: elk there. The picture prior was my Idaho mule deer
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Speaker 1: from this fall. And there's a care that was a
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Speaker 1: short pack job right there. It wouldn't like it really
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Speaker 1: tested the pack out, but anyways, been putting it through
25:07
Speaker 1: the faces and uh yeah, I'm pumped on it.
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Speaker 2: So is that gonna be the backpack for the fall
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six as well?
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Speaker 1: Okay, you're convinced, sweet, I'm gonna go next for gear talk.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about my favorite gloves that I
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Speaker 2: have ever owned. They are the first Light Cody gloves ever.
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Speaker 1: Ever, I don't I.
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Speaker 2: Can't think of a pair I've liked more than these.
25:32
Speaker 2: Maybe my first pair of glomets. I had a pair
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Speaker 2: of glomets from Cabella's back when I was in high school,
25:39
Speaker 2: and I really loved those for ice fishing specifically. Do
25:41
Speaker 2: you know what a glomit is? That's like the flip
25:43
Speaker 2: over May two? You still got the ash? Sure, So
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Speaker 2: I loved those at the time. Now they wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: as practical for me, but for ice fishing specifically anyway,
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Speaker 2: the Cody gloves from First Light. I love these things.
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Speaker 2: They are soft but durable. Uh they're they're insulated, but
25:58
Speaker 2: you can still like use your fingers when you're wearing them.
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Speaker 2: I've had these, I think for two falls. They're the
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Speaker 2: gloves that I use the most for hunting and fishing
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Speaker 2: and snowblowing, and you would think I just got these yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Like they do not show much sign of wear at all,
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Speaker 2: and I'm not doing anything to take care of them.
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Speaker 2: I'm not like oiling them or something like that, or
26:17
Speaker 2: making sure that they don't get blood on them or water.
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Speaker 2: I think they are really special gloves, and they are
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Speaker 2: first lights. They say they are their ranch inspired hunting glove.
26:28
Speaker 2: I use these pretty much all fall when I was
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Speaker 2: deer hunting in Illinois, when I'm deer hunting in Montana,
26:32
Speaker 2: when I'm deer hunting in Nebraska. And in Nebraska, I
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Speaker 2: have a rancher there that I have deer hunting permission from.
26:40
Speaker 2: He's a cattle rancher. He also farms. I asked him
26:42
Speaker 2: one time, he says, are you considered.
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Speaker 1: A farmer or a rancher?
26:47
Speaker 2: And he says, well, I farm so that I can ranch,
26:49
Speaker 2: so you know, beef are his passion. Anyway, I gave
26:53
Speaker 2: him a pair of these gloves that he's now used
26:55
Speaker 2: for two calving seasons. Calving season for much of the
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Speaker 2: North is happening right now, like January to March. He
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Speaker 2: texted me the other day. He said I love these gloves.
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Speaker 2: You gave me best winter gloves I've ever had for caving.
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Speaker 2: So if that's not an endorsement, yeah, I don't know
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Speaker 2: what is. That's great the first like Cody gloves, I bet.
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Speaker 1: His look a little bit more warm in yours. He's
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Speaker 1: doing real work. He's got extra fluid. By the way
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Speaker 1: that yours look, you're actually not doing that much work
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Speaker 1: out there, I think. So I love that glove too.
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Speaker 1: I have burned through the very first pair I have
27:28
Speaker 1: finally now has quite a few holes in the fingers.
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Speaker 1: But that's I don't know, three four seasons, and I
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Speaker 1: wear them almost every single day, especially cat hunting, you know,
27:38
Speaker 1: snow cat gloves, yeah, snowmobiling. If I get that warm
27:43
Speaker 1: where I can't wear them because they're too warm, I
27:45
Speaker 1: just stick them out of pockets and go gloveless. But
27:48
Speaker 1: you need something that's you know, protecting you from the elements,
27:52
Speaker 1: but keeping keeping your warm. Not too hot. Mine will
27:57
Speaker 1: if it's been wet kind of snowy conditions, they'll start
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Speaker 1: to wet out, and so I do nick wax them periodically,
28:05
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, maybe three four times a winter,
28:08
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, just when they're wet, I squirt you know,
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Speaker 1: a couple of tablespoons of that stuff on there and
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Speaker 1: just rub it all in and then stick them on
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Speaker 1: a couple of times of an antler in the house.
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Speaker 1: Let them drive for a day or two and they're
28:21
Speaker 1: ready to rip again. But yeah, I'm a big fan
28:23
Speaker 1: of that kind of glove where I'm skiing too.
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Speaker 2: Oh, there you go first, like Cody glove. There's seventy dollars.
28:30
Speaker 2: I'm looking right now. We have small through excel available
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Speaker 2: in both colors.
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Speaker 1: Seth, what do you got for gear talk today? I
28:37
Speaker 1: got a little homemade piece of gear.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a and it does not look homemade.
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Speaker 2: It does all come it's like you bought it like this,
28:45
Speaker 2: which is a compliment.
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Speaker 3: It's a mobile power station like you know, like Jackery
28:51
Speaker 3: or Blue Eddy or Goal zero makes.
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Speaker 1: But those things are so expensive. What is the average
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Speaker 1: price for something like that? Oh? Look it up, quick, spencer. Okay,
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Speaker 1: give me tell me what brand I should be looking up?
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Speaker 1: Look at uh Jackery. And this is no shade on
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Speaker 1: these companies.
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Speaker 3: You keep telling us about this, But anyway, this is
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Speaker 3: so what I what I did here is I took
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Speaker 3: just the yetty.
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Speaker 1: What are these things called, like load out boss go
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Speaker 1: box box.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I went on Amazon and bought a one
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Speaker 3: hundred amp hour lithium battery that was like one hundred
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Speaker 3: and sixty bucks, and I put it in this box
29:32
Speaker 3: and then hooked up two cigarette outlets and then this
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Speaker 3: one is two USB's and a USB C for charging.
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Speaker 3: And it's all kept in this little box. Nice and neat, waterproof,
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Speaker 3: very nice and neat. And I use this thing to
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Speaker 3: run my Dometic refrigerator. I used it to run my
29:55
Speaker 3: diesel heater and the lights in the back of my
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Speaker 3: pickup truck bed. And yeah, I use it literally all
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Speaker 3: all season long. Every time I go on trip. This
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Speaker 3: thing comes with me if I'm truck camping. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's just like a cheap alternative to the mobile power
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Speaker 3: stations that you see online that are very expensive. And
30:17
Speaker 3: all together, I think this box and you don't have
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Speaker 3: to buy a yetti box. I just happen to have
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Speaker 3: this one.
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Speaker 1: It fits it real nice.
30:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, it fits it perfectly. I think this thing's like
30:27
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five bucks. Batteries one sixty and
30:32
Speaker 3: then you know another probably thirty or forty bucks for
30:35
Speaker 3: all the the outlets here, so you know, very cheap
30:40
Speaker 3: compared to the alternatives.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at a Jackery base model right now.
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Speaker 2: It's on sale for eight hundred listed originally at fifteen hundred.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And if you look at that catch it probably doesn't
30:52
Speaker 3: have one hundred damp hour Liian battery in it.
30:55
Speaker 1: No, what does that mean? How many? Like can you
30:58
Speaker 1: go for a full weekend and not charge this thing
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Speaker 1: and do all?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
31:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet he could go for a month.
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Speaker 3: I went, I went a full week run running a refrigerator.
31:08
Speaker 3: I go a full week with the refrigerator for sure.
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Speaker 3: On this and charging phones, charging phones and stuff too. Wow,
31:15
Speaker 3: it's a great little tool. And I bet you'll use
31:17
Speaker 3: that then like three sixty five.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
31:20
Speaker 3: And and like you know, eventually the batteries do go
31:25
Speaker 3: bad in those things, and this one, I just go
31:26
Speaker 3: on Amazon, buy another battery and pop it in there.
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Speaker 1: M hm. Keep on trucking.
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Speaker 2: You got a nice little spot in the back of
31:32
Speaker 2: your pickup where that gets tending down yep.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And then it's nice because I can just like pick
31:38
Speaker 3: it up and take it wherever I need it to
31:39
Speaker 3: take it into the office.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, check it out. Very good piece of gear.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil,
31:51
Speaker 2: what's the chat I have to say?
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Speaker 4: Yes, first shout out here. It's from Catherine Berglan. Mama, Hey,
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Speaker 4: I was wondering if you could wish my beautiful mountain
32:01
Speaker 4: girl Isabella happy birthday. She'll be eight tomorrow and she
32:04
Speaker 4: loves me eater happy.
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Speaker 1: Should we sing? Is going to sing for you? Yes?
32:09
Speaker 1: Go ahead, take it away so I'll sing with it.
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Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Isabella, Happy birthday, mountain girl Isabella turning eight tomorrow.
32:17
Speaker 4: Another question for Yannis another the first one. Is there
32:20
Speaker 4: already a thought of a meat Eater roast tournament, either
32:23
Speaker 4: a one v one playoff bracket style or some sort
32:26
Speaker 4: of competition format where there's an elimination thing happening.
32:31
Speaker 1: There has been thought of a playoff bracket style cooking competition.
32:38
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I think we should do before
32:40
Speaker 2: that is have Yanni compete.
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Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
32:43
Speaker 1: I feel like you and Steve or something.
32:45
Speaker 2: There you go, you versus Steve. I get host, I'll
32:47
Speaker 2: volunteer to host, or whoever you want to host can host.
32:50
Speaker 2: But we should put Yanni on the spot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, and then that would be a good idea.
32:55
Speaker 1: What else you got?
32:56
Speaker 4: Phil Melody asks for some tips on keeping toes and
32:59
Speaker 4: fingers warm during below freezing ice fit ice fishing trips.
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Speaker 4: She has terrible circulation, she says.
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Speaker 1: Hot hands.
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Speaker 2: Yep, every every person who lives north of the Mason
33:10
Speaker 2: Dixon can use hot hands and it will genuinely keep
33:13
Speaker 2: you warmer.
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Speaker 1: What do you guys got.
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Speaker 3: I went to a bunny boot this year m hm,
33:18
Speaker 3: and it's been phenomenal.
33:20
Speaker 1: Oh, they're amazing. Yeah. If you don't know what a
33:22
Speaker 1: bunny boot is, it's a it's like an air filled,
33:27
Speaker 1: old school military all rubber boot. If you're if you ever.
33:31
Speaker 3: Are always white, No, no, there's black ones that are
33:35
Speaker 3: they call Mickey Mouse boot.
33:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:37
Speaker 3: But the Alaska Gear Company is like they're really like
33:42
Speaker 3: doing a remake of the original bunny boot.
33:45
Speaker 1: They're all like military surplus.
33:47
Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, this company, Alaska Gear Company is making
33:50
Speaker 3: bunny boots now and they make like a lighter version
33:54
Speaker 3: and like a heavy version that are rated to you know,
33:57
Speaker 3: minus seventy or something crazy. But keep you warm. Oh yeah, yeah,
34:02
Speaker 3: very warm. Yeah, And I struggle with my feet getting cold.
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Speaker 1: I think the other thing you can do too is
34:08
Speaker 1: skiers have had heated footbeds forever and they're amazing. I
34:14
Speaker 1: don't use them. I don't need them that bad, but
34:17
Speaker 1: I don't know. For a couple of hundred bucks, you
34:19
Speaker 1: can get battery operated, you know, heated insoles, and you're
34:23
Speaker 1: not gonna have cold feet or cold toes going that way.
34:26
Speaker 1: If you don't want to go that route, I think
34:27
Speaker 1: having boots that are a little bit bigger than smaller
34:31
Speaker 1: is going to always help to keep a nice air
34:34
Speaker 1: layer in there because that's what's actually doing the insulating
34:38
Speaker 1: and keeping it dry in there. So once you get
34:41
Speaker 1: sweaty at all, you're getting cold, like, take the time undressed,
34:45
Speaker 1: put on some fresh dry socks, get them back in there,
34:49
Speaker 1: and you'll be definitely toastier though than you were beforehand.
34:52
Speaker 2: Another like reasonably cheap piece of gear that I love
34:55
Speaker 2: for cold weather is a hand muff, especially for ice fishing.
34:58
Speaker 2: If you don't want to be rocking your biggest gloves
35:02
Speaker 2: and you want to be using your fingers hand muff
35:05
Speaker 2: you can find a real good one for pretty cheap,
35:07
Speaker 2: or you can spend a lot of money on one
35:09
Speaker 2: It's something that like, once it's below forty and I'm
35:12
Speaker 2: doing something active outside, I like having a hand muff.
35:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can load those full hand warmers too.
35:16
Speaker 2: You can you load it full of cell phone snacks, handwarmers,
35:22
Speaker 2: all kinds of things.
35:23
Speaker 1: Good luck ice fishing.
35:24
Speaker 4: Melody Kale Flynn is in the market for a new
35:28
Speaker 4: spotting scope, debating between compact or full size which you prefer.
35:31
Speaker 4: And have you ever had a compact out hunting and
35:33
Speaker 4: then wished you had a full size or vice versa?
35:36
Speaker 1: Be honest what you got for Kale, I always go
35:40
Speaker 1: full size because the reason I'm packing the spotting scope
35:43
Speaker 1: is not to just see if it's an animal or
35:48
Speaker 1: if it's a deer versus an elk. It's gonna be
35:51
Speaker 1: to see details like how big the elk is or
35:55
Speaker 1: the deer, or you're looking so far out that you're
35:57
Speaker 1: gonna need something big to tell a different between elker deer. Yeah,
36:01
Speaker 1: the compact ones. I've just always felt like if I
36:04
Speaker 1: put my binoculars on a on a stable platform, I'm
36:08
Speaker 1: getting the same performance and gain the same result doing
36:12
Speaker 1: it that way. Yeah, So yes, And I have been
36:16
Speaker 1: out there with small spotters and every time, I'm like, oh,
36:21
Speaker 1: I should have brought the big one because right now
36:23
Speaker 1: we could actually tell what's going on over there, Seth,
36:26
Speaker 1: What do you got for Kale? Yeah, I would say,
36:30
Speaker 1: I guess it.
36:31
Speaker 3: Also, he doesn't say where he's what he's hunting for,
36:34
Speaker 3: where he's at right, No, I don't think so No,
36:36
Speaker 3: so pipe in Kale if you just kind of what
36:40
Speaker 3: you're hunting for where. But I would always go full
36:44
Speaker 3: size because you can you can use kind of full
36:47
Speaker 3: size for everything. Yeah, that covers all the bases. A
36:51
Speaker 3: compact is not gonna you're not gonna want to go
36:54
Speaker 3: coops dear hunting with a compact.
36:56
Speaker 2: But my endorsement for full size is that I have
37:00
Speaker 2: It's like obviously annoying to carry around because they're so
37:03
Speaker 2: big and heavy. But if I'm trying to like get
37:06
Speaker 2: the details on a mule deer bucks antlers, I have
37:09
Speaker 2: to now get like half a mile closer or something.
37:11
Speaker 2: If I don't have a full size, I would have
37:13
Speaker 2: saved myself that half mile of hiking and moving around
37:18
Speaker 2: if I just would have had the full size with me.
37:19
Speaker 2: So it's like bigger and more annoying to hump around,
37:23
Speaker 2: but it might save you some like hiking in the
37:26
Speaker 2: end as well.
37:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, Phil, let's do a few more. Yeah.
37:30
Speaker 4: Sure, we got multiple people Seth asking for more specifics
37:34
Speaker 4: on your build. Oh just someone was even like you
37:38
Speaker 4: should make a social video kind of exactly.
37:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do plan on doing that at some point. Cool.
37:44
Speaker 4: And then another one, mostly for Seth, I would say,
37:46
Speaker 4: is the Great Adventures of Mitten Men. He asks for
37:50
Speaker 4: just kind of like getting started in beaver trapping for
37:53
Speaker 4: someone that doesn't have people to learn from, and.
37:55
Speaker 2: It looks like he's in the Great Lakes first step
37:57
Speaker 2: based on that photo.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess if you don't have anyone to mentor,
38:03
Speaker 3: you just go on YouTube and you know, try and
38:06
Speaker 3: find as much info there to like get you started.
38:09
Speaker 3: But then other than that, just just get some get
38:12
Speaker 3: some traps that are legal in your state and go
38:16
Speaker 3: look for some beaver sign and and and set them out.
38:19
Speaker 3: Like it's kind of the best way to learn without
38:22
Speaker 3: a mentor is just by doing it and sometimes doing
38:25
Speaker 3: the wrong things. You know, there you go, makes you
38:28
Speaker 3: learn a lot faster. But yeah, a lot of a
38:32
Speaker 3: lot of resources on YouTube about beaver trapping.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to YouTube, the learning curve has never been smaller.
38:38
Speaker 1: I know it comes to uh stuff like this. Let's
38:40
Speaker 1: do one more phil before we move on.
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Speaker 4: Sure, this'sn't got a lot of chatter in the chat,
38:44
Speaker 4: but will ask for go to's of American classical literature
38:49
Speaker 4: to read with your kids.
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing outdoor themed stuff.
38:54
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass on this because I'm gonna cover
38:56
Speaker 2: it in our next segment, but set you're.
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Speaker 1: Gonna cover it for reading with the kids.
39:01
Speaker 2: For top threes, I've got some book recommendations. I don't
39:03
Speaker 2: need to spend another minute beyond what I'm going to
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Speaker 2: talking about books on this podcast, So go for it it.
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Speaker 1: What can you recommend? I'm trying to think that top man,
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Speaker 1: we read all the classics, which which were uh where
39:19
Speaker 1: the red Fern grows? Uh, summer a Monkey's What about Hatchett?
39:24
Speaker 1: Had Hatchett? Yeah, Hatchett's a great one. Yeah, gosh, what else?
39:32
Speaker 1: It's been a while now, seth soon to be father,
39:35
Speaker 1: what are you going to be reading? Well? Hatchett was
39:37
Speaker 1: the first thing that came to mind.
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Speaker 3: There's a book called My Side of the Mountain and
39:44
Speaker 3: if you guys ever heard of that. It's like this
39:46
Speaker 3: kid kind of leaves town and goes up in the
39:48
Speaker 3: mountains and lives in a hollowed out tree.
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Speaker 1: A couple of people in the chat where suggests that's
39:53
Speaker 1: a good one. It's cool.
39:55
Speaker 3: It's kind of like tells the story of a young
39:57
Speaker 3: young boys like adventurous and.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool. Great book, Tom, Sawren, huck Finn. There
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Speaker 1: you go. We'll have some more book recommendations for you
40:08
Speaker 1: in a second.
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Speaker 4: And Spencer, actually, can I suggest we call an audible
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Speaker 4: and switch segment Since it looks like our next guest
40:14
Speaker 4: has his guests with you right now.
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Speaker 1: We're going to do that.
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Speaker 2: Joining us on the line next is Michael Headsel, the
40:21
Speaker 2: founder of Peace River Canine Search and Rescue. He's here
40:25
Speaker 2: to talk to us about Splash, the world's one and
40:28
Speaker 2: only search and rescue otter. Michael, welcome to the show.
40:32
Speaker 6: Hey, thanks for having me on. I appreciate that.
40:34
Speaker 2: Uh, and you can see and here Splash is with
40:38
Speaker 2: us right now.
40:39
Speaker 1: Please tell us about Splash. How old is he? Where
40:41
Speaker 1: did he come from? What kind of otter is he?
40:44
Speaker 6: Splash is a two year old Asian small plod otter
40:50
Speaker 6: Worldwide Wildlife Zoo out of Phoenix, Arizona, and so he
40:57
Speaker 6: was donated to the program and we put him to work.
41:00
Speaker 6: So he's all trained up and out in the field
41:01
Speaker 6: right now working what we call is proofing here right
41:05
Speaker 6: now working cases in the field.
41:08
Speaker 1: And those noises we're hearing. Is he happy? Is he annoyed?
41:11
Speaker 1: Is he is he snugly? What is splash his current mood?
41:15
Speaker 1: He is?
41:15
Speaker 6: I think he's horny. I think that's what. Oh wow,
41:19
Speaker 6: I think he's problem. But he's actually, uh, just giving
41:28
Speaker 6: me a lot of a lot of sass.
41:30
Speaker 2: At the moment, a lot of sass. What's specific What
41:34
Speaker 2: specifically is Splash trained to do?
41:37
Speaker 6: We use Splash.
41:38
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him down real quick, just like I said.
41:48
Speaker 6: He's enough. He's gonna go pick on Dutch for a while.
41:51
Speaker 6: That's my dog.
41:52
Speaker 1: What is Splash trained to do?
41:54
Speaker 6: Splash is a what we call it recovery honor. He
41:57
Speaker 6: is trained to locate human remains underwater. So that's what
42:01
Speaker 6: he does. We use it for cold casework. His original
42:05
Speaker 6: concept is a lot of our cases, murder cases and
42:09
Speaker 6: stuff in where the victims been disposed of in water
42:13
Speaker 6: in water environment, and water is very harsh on human
42:16
Speaker 6: remains and the bodies go away fairly quickly the tissue
42:20
Speaker 6: does and the bones sink down into the buck and
42:23
Speaker 6: that muff can be a foot two feet three feet deep.
42:25
Speaker 6: And once the bones get down in there, the dive
42:28
Speaker 6: teams and myself being a forensic diver, we won't ever
42:31
Speaker 6: find them because of just no way to tell where
42:34
Speaker 6: they are. The cadaver dogs working from the boat can
42:39
Speaker 6: alert and say, yeah, the odor from the bones are
42:41
Speaker 6: coming up, it's there, but we get down to the bottom,
42:45
Speaker 6: we can't find it. So what Splash's job original concept was,
42:49
Speaker 6: is to deploy from the boat, go down, find the
42:53
Speaker 6: area down in the muck where the bones have settled in,
42:57
Speaker 6: and then identify that area, tell us about it, and
43:01
Speaker 6: then we put a grid over the top of it,
43:03
Speaker 6: and then we go in there with trials and we
43:04
Speaker 6: start working our way down through until we finally get
43:07
Speaker 6: the bones and make the recovery. That's what his original
43:11
Speaker 6: purpose was. It's expanded now because I've got other agencies,
43:16
Speaker 6: law enforcement agencies like fish and wildlife extuff they call
43:19
Speaker 6: them and we have a fisherman that's falling off the
43:22
Speaker 6: boat and they can't find him. He's drowned. Their dive
43:26
Speaker 6: teams not having anyone finding him bo calumn, he sent
43:28
Speaker 6: Splash out and splash it goes and makes the recovery.
43:31
Speaker 6: So his mission's kind of morphed. So he still does
43:38
Speaker 6: a lot of call case work that we do, but
43:40
Speaker 6: his his job kind of changed over it's expanded, and
43:44
Speaker 6: that's good. I mean, no one's ever done this before.
43:46
Speaker 6: We're the only ones ever tried to do anything like this,
43:49
Speaker 6: and so we're learning as we go on. It's as
43:57
Speaker 6: need is needed, we can go out and change the
43:59
Speaker 6: mission around whatever is required.
44:01
Speaker 1: So, Michael, I got a question, how does he notify you?
44:04
Speaker 1: How does he communicate with you that he's found something
44:07
Speaker 1: or hasn't found it.
44:09
Speaker 6: Well, if he hasn't found anything, he's not going to
44:12
Speaker 6: come back. He's on what's called a refined and refined
44:16
Speaker 6: and search work means that he finds what it is
44:18
Speaker 6: that we're looking for the target, comes back and tells
44:20
Speaker 6: me about it and then takes me back to it afterwards.
44:22
Speaker 6: High splash and see you're down. Okay, So if we
44:29
Speaker 6: launch him from the boat, he goes out, he'll swim
44:33
Speaker 6: around the surface, he finds the odor in the surface,
44:35
Speaker 6: just like the dogs don't do, and then he'll zoom down,
44:38
Speaker 6: and he goes down. We live in him about thirty
44:40
Speaker 6: feet of water. We don't want him get any deeper
44:41
Speaker 6: than that. And then he will come back up and
44:46
Speaker 6: start squeaking and making a lot of noise and letting
44:49
Speaker 6: us know that he's found something. And at that point
44:52
Speaker 6: we tie a line onto him. Because he's free. At
44:54
Speaker 6: that point, we don't have anything on him, just as harness,
44:57
Speaker 6: and we cook a line on him. He goes back
45:00
Speaker 6: down to where the odor is present, lays there. The
45:03
Speaker 6: diver will follow the line down to him, and then
45:06
Speaker 6: he waits for the diver to get there and back.
45:09
Speaker 6: Now he can hold his breath. Uh a minute, We
45:12
Speaker 6: let him five minutes is what we average is. But
45:15
Speaker 6: he's done eight and uh which scared the hell out
45:19
Speaker 6: of me. But it was bread longer if he needs
45:22
Speaker 6: to and uh so the and that's and he just
45:26
Speaker 6: waits for the diver to get there, and then he
45:27
Speaker 6: comes back. Once he's the diver's on scene, we release
45:31
Speaker 6: him from the line and then comes back up to
45:33
Speaker 6: the boat and gets his fish. He's we feed him.
45:35
Speaker 6: His reward is salmon. He likes farm raised salmon. That's
45:39
Speaker 6: his thing. And so he uh gets his salmon for
45:45
Speaker 6: his reward. He goes back in his crate and then
45:46
Speaker 6: his job's done for the day.
45:48
Speaker 1: And when he's not working, is he just cruising around
45:50
Speaker 1: your house?
45:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, that's the house. Uh. He was out earlier
45:54
Speaker 6: when we were talking. He's out swimming in the kiddie
45:57
Speaker 6: pool and burning up some calories, and now he's in
46:01
Speaker 6: the house screaming at me. I don't know what he wants.
46:03
Speaker 6: He's been fed, so I'm not sure what he's after.
46:05
Speaker 6: He may want to go play or something. I haven't
46:07
Speaker 6: done a lot of work. He worked last week for
46:10
Speaker 6: we're working for Georgia Buro Investigation GBI last week and
46:14
Speaker 6: then this week he's kind of not had a lot
46:17
Speaker 6: to do, so I think he's it's kind of like
46:21
Speaker 6: we're kind of ignoring him. But I've had other stuff
46:23
Speaker 6: we would training. This is our training season for the
46:26
Speaker 6: canines because it's cool right now in Florida, so we
46:29
Speaker 6: put a lot of time into getting the dogs tuned
46:31
Speaker 6: up and the horses. We have a horse team as well,
46:34
Speaker 6: and so Splash is kind of getting pushed off a
46:37
Speaker 6: little bit and he's not getting his training as much.
46:39
Speaker 6: So I think he's a little irritated that he's not
46:42
Speaker 6: getting attention.
46:44
Speaker 1: What has the training process been like with Splash? Is
46:47
Speaker 1: it just like training a dog?
46:50
Speaker 6: Very similar in a lot of ways. The biggest problem
46:52
Speaker 6: with the otter is that he's not a dog. Dogs
46:56
Speaker 6: are brought up to work with humans through breeding programs,
46:59
Speaker 6: you know, in genetics and and so the dog that
47:02
Speaker 6: you buy now is very packaged to work with humans
47:06
Speaker 6: and to do a specific job. Otters are wild creatures.
47:11
Speaker 6: And this is even though this guy came from a
47:13
Speaker 6: zoom he is. He's very much a wild animal. They
47:16
Speaker 6: have a different set of priorities. And so the biggest
47:20
Speaker 6: thing I have to do is find out what motivates them,
47:22
Speaker 6: what reward system? Will he worked for? And can I
47:25
Speaker 6: get the trust from him to work for me? And
47:27
Speaker 6: will we work with humans? And so that's the big
47:30
Speaker 6: deal that we had to work on with him, and
47:32
Speaker 6: we did. We found out he's actually about the fifth
47:36
Speaker 6: otter that we've trained up for this work, and we
47:39
Speaker 6: had American River otters before that, which are much bigger.
47:42
Speaker 6: They're very bidy, they're very aggressive. Yeah, you got to
47:47
Speaker 6: wear thick gloves when you work with them because they
47:49
Speaker 6: can take your finger off in a heartbeat if they
47:51
Speaker 6: want to, and so you got to be careful with them.
47:54
Speaker 6: I've got a lot of scars, and they're stoic. They're
47:58
Speaker 6: not as animated. So one of the reasons that we
48:01
Speaker 6: went to Asian otters is that they're much more animated.
48:05
Speaker 6: They're very chatty, they're very vocal. When they get excited,
48:08
Speaker 6: they let you know about it, where the river otter
48:11
Speaker 6: doesn't do that so as much. They're a little bit
48:15
Speaker 6: like that. But I had one that was named Squeakers.
48:17
Speaker 6: She was very animated. She was really good and did
48:22
Speaker 6: a great job. But the boy ones like Hondo and
48:25
Speaker 6: then excuse me, Splash and go back there and pick
48:27
Speaker 6: them up.
48:29
Speaker 3: Mike, I have a question for you, how long? Like
48:31
Speaker 3: how many years will you get out of splash? Like?
48:33
Speaker 1: How many years will you be able to work with them?
48:36
Speaker 6: They say from talking to the zoo people that the
48:40
Speaker 6: lifespan of a captive odor can be fifteen to twenty years.
48:44
Speaker 6: Oh wow, So his grandmother is sixteen currently. And the
48:49
Speaker 6: honest longest otter that I know, oldest otter that I
48:53
Speaker 6: know of in captivity was at the Miami Zoo was
48:56
Speaker 6: twenty six years old and she just passed away recently,
49:00
Speaker 6: so we're hoping to get ten years. He's not. He
49:03
Speaker 6: is in a wonderful environment. He gets the best food,
49:05
Speaker 6: best medical care, lives in the house, sleeps with me
49:08
Speaker 6: at night, you know, down the bed, over the blanket,
49:11
Speaker 6: you know, it's where he likes to be at night.
49:13
Speaker 6: And then so he gets exercise and stimulation, and you know,
49:19
Speaker 6: he's got a job. So he's got a pretty good
49:21
Speaker 6: life here. But he works in a lot of different environments,
49:25
Speaker 6: meaning a lot of different water environments, and sometimes the
49:28
Speaker 6: waters are not as best as we'd like him to be,
49:30
Speaker 6: and so he that could probably cause a problem for
49:34
Speaker 6: him down the road, we think, We don't know. We
49:36
Speaker 6: had another honor Squeakers who had loaned out to another
49:39
Speaker 6: law enforcement agency that was using her over in Europe,
49:43
Speaker 6: and she got into some bad water and passed away
49:46
Speaker 6: about a month ago. So she gets sick. So's it's
49:49
Speaker 6: one of those things that we're finding out about as
49:52
Speaker 6: we as we work with them. Otters are very susceptible
49:55
Speaker 6: to human diseases, so they get sick. It flews, colds.
50:00
Speaker 6: They picked them up from people and then COVID wiped
50:03
Speaker 6: out a bunch of otters when when COVID came. I
50:06
Speaker 6: think we lost like a quarter of the otter population
50:09
Speaker 6: in the United States from COVID when it hit back
50:12
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty. So I have to be really careful
50:16
Speaker 6: with him, making sure that he doesn't get handled by
50:18
Speaker 6: people they're sick, you know, so he doesn't pick up
50:22
Speaker 6: if you think he's He's been really good so far.
50:24
Speaker 6: We's got a little frostbite from last week. We were
50:26
Speaker 6: working in Virginia when that storm hit and it got
50:29
Speaker 6: down to seven degrees and he loves the cold, but
50:32
Speaker 6: he was walking on some concrete. I think his foot
50:35
Speaker 6: was sticking to the concrete and got a little frost
50:36
Speaker 6: by on his foot. So he's been even nursing that
50:39
Speaker 6: back up.
50:44
Speaker 2: Michael, can you tell us about some of the successful
50:46
Speaker 2: missions that Splash has been on so far.
50:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got one evidence recovery so far and one
50:55
Speaker 6: recent drowning and then three that our human remains really
51:01
Speaker 6: and the evidence one was really kind of lucky. It
51:03
Speaker 6: was the first time out. We were working for a
51:05
Speaker 6: long course and agency out in the South, the Mississippi area,
51:09
Speaker 6: and they wanted to check this lake area, which we did,
51:14
Speaker 6: and we had done it with the dogs and Damon,
51:17
Speaker 6: who was my cana at the time. She had been
51:20
Speaker 6: alerting like crazy that there was cadaverr in this lake
51:23
Speaker 6: and we couldn't locate it. And so doctor, the doctor
51:28
Speaker 6: I was with, he was a forensic anthropologist, as watch
51:30
Speaker 6: you throw a splash, and I said, well, he's all
51:32
Speaker 6: the six months old, he's only had two months of training,
51:35
Speaker 6: and he said, well, go ahead and throw them in
51:36
Speaker 6: where the hell we're here a month as we'll do it,
51:38
Speaker 6: you know. So we put him in and he identified
51:41
Speaker 6: an area down at the bottom that he was really
51:43
Speaker 6: interested in. So we dug it up and found a
51:46
Speaker 6: brick in there, you know, a clay one of those
51:50
Speaker 6: clay red bricks at Schem in the area for construction,
51:53
Speaker 6: and we brought it up and as soon as you
51:55
Speaker 6: brought it up that the dector says, I want that,
51:57
Speaker 6: and we gave it to her and she packed it up,
51:59
Speaker 6: took it in, matched it up to the big event,
52:02
Speaker 6: and the X ray from that killed the guy that
52:04
Speaker 6: picked it, and turned out there was still DNA on
52:08
Speaker 6: the brick because the clay and the clay soil had
52:10
Speaker 6: held it all together. So they were still able to
52:12
Speaker 6: get some DNA off of the brick and match it up.
52:15
Speaker 6: So that case, even the suspect had passed away at
52:19
Speaker 6: this point because it was twenty two years old case
52:22
Speaker 6: and there was nobody to charge in the case. But
52:26
Speaker 6: the case was finally cleared, which made the sheriff very
52:28
Speaker 6: happy because he was one of the original detectives on
52:30
Speaker 6: the case, so he was happy to get that off
52:34
Speaker 6: and that got him started. After that, things just started
52:38
Speaker 6: happening very quick. So we weren't originally intending on him
52:42
Speaker 6: using him for what we call law enforcement searches. We
52:45
Speaker 6: use it for private work. Most of that was for
52:49
Speaker 6: a lot of the universities like University of Tennessee, of
52:52
Speaker 6: Florida State, University West Virginia. These places they get calls
52:58
Speaker 6: out to do private cop work that they do using
53:01
Speaker 6: their sciences what they call fast team stuff, forensic applied
53:04
Speaker 6: science work, and so Splash is going to be working
53:07
Speaker 6: in that category. But then once law enforcement realized they
53:11
Speaker 6: had him available, we get calls from the Department of Justice,
53:14
Speaker 6: you d O, J, FBI, S, D L, E, G
53:17
Speaker 6: B I, T B I, all these groups sell these
53:20
Speaker 6: three letter you know, alphabet groups calls up and say hey,
53:23
Speaker 6: can you bring splash out for help. So we've been
53:25
Speaker 6: really busy and having on the road consistently with him
53:29
Speaker 6: since since he got discovered in this last year. So
53:33
Speaker 6: he's up to uh, he's got the one evidence recovery.
53:38
Speaker 6: He's got four body recovery so far, and so it's
53:41
Speaker 6: total of five recoveries maybe six or waiting to hear
53:43
Speaker 6: on this other one that happened recently. So he's he's
53:47
Speaker 6: on his way. So this is a satellite program. We
53:50
Speaker 6: don't know when we started it it was kind of
53:52
Speaker 6: work or not. It appears to be working at this point.
53:54
Speaker 6: We do have some challenges, a few issues with him
53:57
Speaker 6: the begin of trying to resolve and we're working on it.
54:00
Speaker 6: But this is only territory here, so we're blazing blazing
54:05
Speaker 6: away here.
54:06
Speaker 2: He's the world's only cadaver or otter. What gave you
54:09
Speaker 2: the idea to employ him? And do you think that
54:11
Speaker 2: this is something you'll try again in the future.
54:14
Speaker 6: Well, I had I had seen otters used in the Orient.
54:19
Speaker 6: They use it for hunting and hunting fish and hunting
54:22
Speaker 6: and lambs and oysters and all kinds of stuff. They
54:24
Speaker 6: train him up in the Orient to do this kind
54:27
Speaker 6: of work. And I was flying home from Los Angeles
54:30
Speaker 6: after working on a cold case, and I was reading
54:33
Speaker 6: like a Smithsonian type art magazine that I think about
54:36
Speaker 6: otters and how they use scenting abilities underwater to help
54:39
Speaker 6: locate prey and food and things underwater. Splash's now you
54:44
Speaker 6: want to be hill or what's your deal? He may
54:48
Speaker 6: be younger, I might have to be.
54:50
Speaker 1: He's a noisy bugger, Yeah.
54:52
Speaker 6: He is today. He's chatting today, so he's got uh
54:57
Speaker 6: that they use him for hunting. And I thought, and
54:59
Speaker 6: the you could do scent work out that well, I've
55:01
Speaker 6: been training sent dogs. I'm going in my forty six
55:04
Speaker 6: year doing this kind of stuff. And I said, maybe
55:07
Speaker 6: we could train an honor because I dive all the time.
55:09
Speaker 6: There's nothing more frustrating than diving on a case and
55:13
Speaker 6: knowing that your victim is somewhere in this lake or
55:15
Speaker 6: wherever you're at, river, wherever you're at, and you've got
55:17
Speaker 6: visibility that's this bad light. I can't see my hands
55:20
Speaker 6: in front of my face, and we're using guide ropes
55:23
Speaker 6: and we're down there. It's all tactile, running along, trying
55:26
Speaker 6: to feel our way around down there, trying to find something,
55:28
Speaker 6: can't find it, and you got to enw try for
55:31
Speaker 6: a day, maybe two days at it, can't get anywhere
55:33
Speaker 6: near it, can't figure out what's going on, and you
55:36
Speaker 6: have to walk away from the case. And it's one
55:37
Speaker 6: of the most frustrating things that we do, knowing that
55:40
Speaker 6: this family is trying to get resolution and we can't
55:42
Speaker 6: get there because we just don't have the technology to
55:45
Speaker 6: do it. And hopefully with Splash that we would be
55:50
Speaker 6: able to figure out if you can do this odor,
55:53
Speaker 6: if you can do that, maybe we can resolve more
55:57
Speaker 6: of these cases. And that's that was my thing. I
55:59
Speaker 6: came back from the and I started doing some research
56:01
Speaker 6: on it. And we've had an aquarium that far from
56:04
Speaker 6: me up here in Sarasota that I thought I would
56:07
Speaker 6: go up and talk to their people about it, and
56:09
Speaker 6: they said yeah, And I said, can we drive some
56:10
Speaker 6: and do some guests to work with them? And they secure,
56:13
Speaker 6: and so we went in and we started doing some
56:14
Speaker 6: testing and found out that they were very good at
56:16
Speaker 6: odor work on land and in the water. But since
56:20
Speaker 6: we've been working with them, we found out that it's
56:22
Speaker 6: not just odor work and how they find things. They're
56:25
Speaker 6: very related to Their first cousin to a wolverine, but
56:29
Speaker 6: also a platypus, and platypuses have electromagnetic sensors they use.
56:34
Speaker 6: They sense magnetic fields, is how they find stuff under water.
56:37
Speaker 6: And we found out that the whisker array on the
56:40
Speaker 6: front of these otters, which is massive, is high and lead,
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Speaker 6: and so it gives them the ability to the tech
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Speaker 6: magnum fields with their whiskers. And we found out that
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Speaker 6: they hunt the same way that the platypus does in
56:55
Speaker 6: using their whiskers to find what they're looking for. So
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Speaker 6: they basically learn the magnetic signature of what a human
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Speaker 6: being is. And they're down there with their whiskers plombing
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Speaker 6: along there until they run into that same resonance frequency
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Speaker 6: and they're like, boot pay, it's right here. And then
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Speaker 6: you'll see him pump these bubbles out and they start
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Speaker 6: spitting bubbles out like crazy, and they taste some of them.
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Speaker 6: They step back in and they taste them, and they
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Speaker 6: taste it has the error confirmation because they have lands
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Speaker 6: in their mouth that transfers this into a set response,
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Speaker 6: and so they say, oh, that's what I'm looking for,
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Speaker 6: and then they confirm it that way, and that's how
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Speaker 6: they do it. So there's a two prong thing. They
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Speaker 6: use magnetic field and they use this the bubble scent
57:39
Speaker 6: technique in order. It's pretty amazing. We got a lot
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Speaker 6: of video of it working and trying to because I
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Speaker 6: used to see him find stuff in the videos, but
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Speaker 6: he wasn't blowing bubbles, and I kept looking at that,
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Speaker 6: going how this is working? If he's scent working, he
57:55
Speaker 6: can't pull the set through his nose because he drowned. Okay,
57:57
Speaker 6: you can't do that. So their mammals like we are,
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Speaker 6: they can't do that, So how is he I see
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Speaker 6: the bubble technique working. We figured out the bubble part
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Speaker 6: and then but then he would find stuff with his
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Speaker 6: head and put it on there, and then all of
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Speaker 6: a sudden he would start blowing bubbles at it afterwards,
58:14
Speaker 6: and I'm thinking, okay, what drew him to that to
58:17
Speaker 6: want to put the bubbles on it? And then we
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Speaker 6: realize that they're working the dnamic those does, so we thought, okay,
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Speaker 6: all right, so now we kind of figured out how
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Speaker 6: this is working. And it's amazing. I mean, they're really
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Speaker 6: very accurate. So he he's good at his job. He's
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Speaker 6: learned it and seems to really like it, and he's
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Speaker 6: gotten to where he's part of the family now, part
58:39
Speaker 6: of the pack. When I put this blue shirt on,
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Speaker 6: which is my search shirt, and I'm going out working,
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Speaker 6: and he's right at the back door with the dogs saying,
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Speaker 6: all right, where are we going? So, you know, we
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Speaker 6: load up and he jumps up in the front of
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Speaker 6: the van and gets in his crate and the dog's
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Speaker 6: getting their crates in the back of the van and
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Speaker 6: then we're off and run. So's he's become part of
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Speaker 6: the pack, so to speak. Although out don't have packs,
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Speaker 6: they have what they call props, they're not called so
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Speaker 6: he's very much a part of all that. What are
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Speaker 6: you doing?
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Speaker 1: Incredible stuff, Michael.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us and thanks for having this
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Speaker 2: nonprofit and training Splash to do the work that you do.
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Speaker 6: You're welcome. Thanks for having us on so it is fun.
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Speaker 1: No, thanks, Michael, Michael, cool stuff. That's all. I could
59:25
Speaker 1: see a little Disney movie being made about Splash finding
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Speaker 1: dead bodies.
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Speaker 4: We have a lot of people in the chat torn
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Speaker 4: on whether to be pro or anti honor going between
59:35
Speaker 4: the women who were attacks.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was an American river otter. This one
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Speaker 2: was as Michael said, they're not they're not as fun.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think he was.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't he talking about would he say a sea otter
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Speaker 2: two or no? Was he just talking about river otters?
59:49
Speaker 2: I think just biting his fingers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this one was some some Asian Fellah. That'll
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Speaker 2: be fun for our audio audience.
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Speaker 1: Maybe not. They might get sick of that squa.
1:00:01
Speaker 2: But you should go watch it too because you just
1:00:02
Speaker 2: see the otter running around in the background the whole time.
1:00:04
Speaker 2: I think one time you went in the pantry and
1:00:07
Speaker 2: then someone closed the door and he had it.
1:00:08
Speaker 1: Come scurrying out of there.
1:00:11
Speaker 2: We are now going to do our top threes.
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Speaker 7: Such talent, that's a word for it.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a heck of a note there, Phil.
1:00:37
Speaker 2: All right, this week we've all brought our own top
1:00:40
Speaker 2: three list seth start us off. What are you ranking today?
1:00:43
Speaker 1: I'm going top three Turkey hunts? Okay? Ever, well, yeah,
1:00:49
Speaker 1: yeah that.
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Speaker 3: I can that I one had in my phone and
1:00:52
Speaker 3: two that I can recollect your Yeah. Ever, so this one,
1:00:57
Speaker 3: this was last year, triple Yeah, this was all all
1:01:01
Speaker 3: in one morning night before we put these birds to bed,
1:01:07
Speaker 3: and the forecast was calling.
1:01:09
Speaker 1: For like a nice calm morning.
1:01:10
Speaker 3: Uh, get up the next morning and the wind is
1:01:13
Speaker 3: just cranking and if you know anything about turkey hunting,
1:01:16
Speaker 3: it's not great. You know, very windy mornings aren't great
1:01:19
Speaker 3: for hearing gobbles. So we kind of get down in
1:01:22
Speaker 3: the area where these birds were. We couldn't the night before.
1:01:24
Speaker 3: We couldn't exactly like locate the tree that they were in,
1:01:27
Speaker 3: but we kind of had a general area where they were,
1:01:29
Speaker 3: so we get down there, get down there in the morning,
1:01:32
Speaker 3: can't hear them, so we just kind of start sneaking
1:01:36
Speaker 3: into where we think they are and I eventually see
1:01:38
Speaker 3: one like I just glassed it up. So we moved
1:01:42
Speaker 3: into where we thought the birds could hear us, start calling,
1:01:46
Speaker 3: do that for a while nothing. Then we get up
1:01:49
Speaker 3: and move a little closer and I called again and
1:01:52
Speaker 3: struck them up. They're just like they're pretty close, but
1:01:55
Speaker 3: there was there. They're about forty fifty yards from us,
1:01:59
Speaker 3: but there was like a ravine and turkeys don't like
1:02:03
Speaker 3: crossing that kind of stuff, no, and we didn't really
1:02:07
Speaker 3: have any other play, so we sat down and started calling,
1:02:11
Speaker 3: and eventually those birds went down in that ravine and
1:02:14
Speaker 3: came up the other side, and there was five of
1:02:15
Speaker 3: them all together, abs, all gobblers, Yeah, all long beards,
1:02:20
Speaker 3: pretty country.
1:02:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. We ended up getting three out of that pack.
1:02:24
Speaker 2: How far apart were the shots? Did you guys have
1:02:27
Speaker 2: a double and then later you get a single or
1:02:29
Speaker 2: what it was?
1:02:30
Speaker 1: Kelsey shot first and then I shot two after that?
1:02:34
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's great.
1:02:36
Speaker 2: So just three trigger polls, three trigger poles. Yeah, and
1:02:38
Speaker 2: Seth has his little otter with him there.
1:02:41
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's why she's always with it. She's been
1:02:43
Speaker 3: on multiple turkey hunts.
1:02:44
Speaker 1: What's her role during a turkey hunt?
1:02:45
Speaker 3: Well, so she's she's a very smart dog and and
1:02:49
Speaker 3: she knows now like once, like once I start calling
1:02:52
Speaker 3: and she hears Turkey's goblin.
1:02:54
Speaker 1: It's funny.
1:02:55
Speaker 3: She starts shaking like real, real bad, and she just
1:02:58
Speaker 3: like lays lays down on the ground and hunkers down,
1:03:01
Speaker 3: doesn't really move, like a lab waiting for a cupping duck.
1:03:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:03:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then as soon as you pull the trigger,
1:03:07
Speaker 3: she's up and like looking for whatever whatever dead.
1:03:11
Speaker 1: What does she weigh?
1:03:13
Speaker 3: I think she's like fourteen to sixteen, Yeah, like a
1:03:17
Speaker 3: small gobbler, less than those gobblers.
1:03:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:03:20
Speaker 3: And then this morning we end up, So we took
1:03:22
Speaker 3: those birds back to the truck, got them all cleaned up,
1:03:24
Speaker 3: and then ended up going about ten minutes down the
1:03:28
Speaker 3: road to another spot and struck up like a late
1:03:31
Speaker 3: morning bird and Kelsey killed that one. So we killed
1:03:33
Speaker 3: four in one day.
1:03:35
Speaker 2: Pretty Merriam snow white fans, all right, sess got another.
1:03:38
Speaker 3: People, This is the opposite end of the country. Down
1:03:41
Speaker 3: in Florida. Last year, Kelsey and I went down there
1:03:45
Speaker 3: and got our first ossiolis.
1:03:48
Speaker 1: This was a buddy's place.
1:03:49
Speaker 3: He invited us down to go hunt his his little.
1:03:53
Speaker 1: Hunting club that he's a part of.
1:03:55
Speaker 3: And this this hunt's actually, i think on the First
1:03:58
Speaker 3: Light YouTube chain, and it's called the Art of Turkey's
1:04:01
Speaker 3: kind of the story of Kelsey and her artwork and
1:04:05
Speaker 3: us turkey hunting.
1:04:06
Speaker 1: Together and stuff, So you can go watch it if
1:04:08
Speaker 1: you want.
1:04:09
Speaker 3: But this one was, you know, your typical Osciola turkey hunting.
1:04:14
Speaker 3: They gobbled a bunch in the morning on the tree
1:04:18
Speaker 3: and flew down, shut up, And we got these guys midday,
1:04:23
Speaker 3: just sitting kind of calling every once in a while
1:04:25
Speaker 3: and just sitting in the spot where we knew they
1:04:26
Speaker 3: were traveling through. And those two gobblers came in and
1:04:31
Speaker 3: we doubled up and yeah, that was that was our
1:04:34
Speaker 3: first osciolas. And and man, it's like osciolas are cool
1:04:40
Speaker 3: because of like for me at least the country you're in,
1:04:42
Speaker 3: it's just like super cool to hunt turkeys down and stuff.
1:04:44
Speaker 3: They're just not like your typical you know, Eastern or
1:04:49
Speaker 3: merriams where they're just like coming in gobbling and hammering.
1:04:53
Speaker 2: We swat mosquitos that whole hunt. Oh yeah, that looks
1:04:55
Speaker 2: like the state bird would be a mosquito there.
1:04:59
Speaker 1: And then the next one another triple. This was another morning.
1:05:03
Speaker 3: So the bird i'm holding there killed that one right
1:05:07
Speaker 3: off the roost. Was was trying to get Kelsey a bird,
1:05:11
Speaker 3: and that that one ended up skirting around her and
1:05:13
Speaker 3: came into me.
1:05:13
Speaker 1: So I shot that one.
1:05:15
Speaker 3: And then about mid morning we struck up those two
1:05:19
Speaker 3: birds that she's holding there and called those in and
1:05:25
Speaker 3: she ended up shooting both of those with one shot.
1:05:29
Speaker 1: That's great.
1:05:30
Speaker 3: Purposely, no, no, not purposely, but she had two tags.
1:05:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, it worked out nice. There's some open country there, yeah,
1:05:40
Speaker 1: difficult turkey hunting country. That's just where you.
1:05:43
Speaker 3: Well, that's just where we took the picture. It was
1:05:45
Speaker 3: it wasn't that open where we killed them.
1:05:47
Speaker 1: How many turkey is you gonna kill this year? This
1:05:49
Speaker 1: year's gonna look a lot different with the baby coming
1:05:52
Speaker 1: in March. Uh still like five or six. We'll see,
1:05:57
Speaker 1: we'll see how much. So much time I get. But well, no,
1:06:01
Speaker 1: you just got to take the baby and Kelsey with you.
1:06:03
Speaker 1: Oh that's the plan. Yep, we's that easy. They're well, yeah,
1:06:07
Speaker 1: when they're that little, they're easy because they're they don't
1:06:10
Speaker 1: require much. They're not moving, you don't have to walk.
1:06:14
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get in trouble unless you put them
1:06:17
Speaker 1: in trouble. Easy. Yeah, I'm telling you some good advice
1:06:21
Speaker 1: I got man from a doctor. Early on, they're like, man,
1:06:25
Speaker 1: before they start actually being able to grab and walk,
1:06:28
Speaker 1: take a turkey, take advantage of it and go do
1:06:30
Speaker 1: things because you won't have that time later, because when
1:06:34
Speaker 1: they're two, it's not like you could have them out
1:06:36
Speaker 1: on a turkey hunt. Yeah, I mean, let's say, unless
1:06:40
Speaker 1: you can just plan it like they're falling asleep right
1:06:42
Speaker 1: when they're gonna come off the roost or something. All right,
1:06:46
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go next.
1:06:47
Speaker 2: I'm ranking the top three books that I read in
1:06:50
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. I read forty books last year, most
1:06:53
Speaker 2: of them about the outdoors or history, or in some
1:06:56
Speaker 2: cases both, And so here are my three favorites. Number
1:07:00
Speaker 2: three in the Heart of the Three in the Heart
1:07:02
Speaker 2: of In the Heart of the Sea by Nathaniel Philbrick.
1:07:06
Speaker 2: This was written in the year two thousand. It's about
1:07:09
Speaker 2: a routine whaling voyage that's flipped on its head when
1:07:12
Speaker 2: a sperm whale attacks and destroys the two hundred and
1:07:16
Speaker 2: forty ton Essex ship. This happened in eighteen twenty. It's
1:07:20
Speaker 2: actually the inspiration for Moby Dick. The book explains the
1:07:25
Speaker 2: whaling industry and its global impact and its impact on
1:07:28
Speaker 2: New England at that time, and how it just changed
1:07:30
Speaker 2: the economy and the culture. And then it also tells
1:07:33
Speaker 2: the story of the twenty men who were aboard the
1:07:35
Speaker 2: ship that day. They spend months floating across the open ocean,
1:07:39
Speaker 2: just getting destroyed by the sun and saltwater. And here's
1:07:43
Speaker 2: the spoiler, there is some cannibalism in the book. One
1:07:47
Speaker 2: of the most shocking things about this story, though, is
1:07:49
Speaker 2: just how young the crew is. Most of the men
1:07:51
Speaker 2: are in their twenties. Six of them were actually teenagers,
1:07:55
Speaker 2: with the youngest crew member being fourteen, So it just
1:07:58
Speaker 2: makes like this whole awful advance venture really hard to fathom.
1:08:02
Speaker 2: That is in the heart of the Sea. I loved
1:08:04
Speaker 2: this book. That was my third favorite book that I
1:08:06
Speaker 2: read last year. Number two, The Art Thief by Michael Finkel,
1:08:11
Speaker 2: and this was written in twenty twenty three. This is
1:08:15
Speaker 2: about Stephen Breitweiser. He's a twenty something year old from
1:08:19
Speaker 2: France who steals two billion dollars worth of paintings and
1:08:23
Speaker 2: artifacts in the nineteen nineties. He does it over the
1:08:26
Speaker 2: span of six years. He lifts two hundred and thirty
1:08:29
Speaker 2: nine items from one hundred and seventy two museums in Europe.
1:08:33
Speaker 2: Some of the things that he thiefs include a medieval crossbow,
1:08:36
Speaker 2: ancient pottery, ivory statues, an antique pistol, Napoleon snuffbox, a
1:08:42
Speaker 2: Rembrandt painting. And you're probably thinking he does all this
1:08:45
Speaker 2: with elaborate heists that resemble Ocean's eleven, But it's actually
1:08:48
Speaker 2: nothing like that, and I won't spoil how he does it.
1:08:51
Speaker 1: You'll just have to read the book for those details.
1:08:54
Speaker 2: This is a super fun read if you're into true
1:08:55
Speaker 2: crime or artifacts or museums, and the author of the
1:08:59
Speaker 2: book actually interviews the man, so you get all the
1:09:02
Speaker 2: details just as they happened. And there's a really tragic
1:09:05
Speaker 2: ending for this stuff that he stole, and it's a
1:09:08
Speaker 2: surprise ending for the actual thief himself that the author
1:09:12
Speaker 2: tells you about when he meets this man.
1:09:15
Speaker 6: All right.
1:09:15
Speaker 2: The number one book that I read last year was
1:09:18
Speaker 2: Endurance by Alfred Lansing, and that was written in nineteen
1:09:23
Speaker 2: fifty nine. This is about Sir Ernest Shackleton's attempt to
1:09:27
Speaker 2: reach the South Pole in nineteen fourteen. He has a
1:09:31
Speaker 2: twenty eight man crew aboard the Endurance ship and it
1:09:33
Speaker 2: gets crushed by ice. They then spend two years stranded
1:09:37
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the globe. They're fighting the cold
1:09:40
Speaker 2: and snow and starvation and depression and the ocean and
1:09:44
Speaker 2: leopard seals and each other. It's a really incredible story,
1:09:48
Speaker 2: and it's so fantastical that you'd think that this is fiction.
1:09:52
Speaker 2: But what makes Endurance extra special is that it was
1:09:54
Speaker 2: written in the nineteen fifties and the author, Elfred Lancing,
1:09:58
Speaker 2: got to interview a bunch of the peop who were
1:10:00
Speaker 2: on the expedition, so you're getting first hand details from
1:10:03
Speaker 2: the men who experienced this. The storytelling is just as
1:10:06
Speaker 2: good as the story itself. That was my favorite book
1:10:09
Speaker 2: I read last year. Endurance by Alfred Lansing, and then
1:10:13
Speaker 2: I've got three honorable mentions here. Other books that I
1:10:17
Speaker 2: really loved. Killers of the Flower Moon that was written
1:10:19
Speaker 2: by David Grant in twenty seventeen. It's a historical account
1:10:22
Speaker 2: of how Oklahoma's Osage tribe became the most wealthy and
1:10:26
Speaker 2: the most hunted people in the world. The story is
1:10:29
Speaker 2: probably well understood by people who live in that area,
1:10:33
Speaker 2: but I had never heard of this, and it's just
1:10:35
Speaker 2: like a really fascinating bit of American history that more
1:10:37
Speaker 2: folks should learn about. I have not seen the movie yet,
1:10:40
Speaker 2: but I hope it's as good as the book itself.
1:10:43
Speaker 2: Killers of the Flower Moon and then God's Country by
1:10:46
Speaker 2: Percival Everett. This was written in nineteen ninety four. This
1:10:49
Speaker 2: was the best fiction that I read last year. It's
1:10:52
Speaker 2: a clever spoof on the Western genre. The book follows
1:10:55
Speaker 2: a drunk gambler, Kurt, and the best tracker in the West, Bubba.
1:11:00
Speaker 2: They go on a big misadventure. It's got a lot
1:11:02
Speaker 2: of colorful dialogue, ridiculous characters, dark humor, and it's a
1:11:05
Speaker 2: really quick read, just two hundred pages long. God's Country
1:11:09
Speaker 2: Personal Ever and then Squanto by Andrew Lippman twenty twenty four.
1:11:12
Speaker 2: This is the best account of how Squanto traveled from
1:11:15
Speaker 2: North America to Europe and then back to North America,
1:11:18
Speaker 2: and then he changed the history of both continents. The
1:11:21
Speaker 2: story of Squanto has been very disneyfied. I feel like
1:11:24
Speaker 2: in this book does a great job of giving the
1:11:27
Speaker 2: truest possible Squanto account. And this would be an extra
1:11:30
Speaker 2: fun read if you're from the New England area, specifically Massachusetts,
1:11:34
Speaker 2: because it talks a lot about that part of the world,
1:11:37
Speaker 2: you know, before written history really existed it Squanto. Those
1:11:42
Speaker 2: were my six favorite books that I read last year.
1:11:45
Speaker 1: Cool. Have you guys seen Killers of the Flowers? I haven't. No,
1:11:48
Speaker 1: I saw it yet, Phil give me a review. Did
1:11:50
Speaker 1: you love it? I loved it.
1:11:52
Speaker 4: I know people complained about it being too long, that
1:11:55
Speaker 4: it didn't feel long at all to me. I thought
1:11:58
Speaker 4: it managed different times very well. There was some really
1:12:01
Speaker 4: striking imagery in it that I had never seen before
1:12:04
Speaker 4: in a movie.
1:12:05
Speaker 2: So you also loved Leo's most recent movie, right, One
1:12:07
Speaker 2: Battle after Another?
1:12:08
Speaker 1: You say it was the best thing you've seen? What
1:12:10
Speaker 1: this year? It's my favorite movie I've seen this year? Yeah, yeah,
1:12:13
Speaker 1: I thought it was twenty twenty six.
1:12:15
Speaker 4: No, well, I mean twenty twenty twenty. I said this
1:12:17
Speaker 4: year twenty twenty five. Okay, I'm talking movies in terms
1:12:21
Speaker 4: of this year, just because there's a lot of Oscar
1:12:23
Speaker 4: talk happening.
1:12:24
Speaker 1: The nominations are really.
1:12:25
Speaker 4: Morning, so it just makes me think this year.
1:12:27
Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, big Leo fan, all right, Yanni, what's
1:12:31
Speaker 2: your top three?
1:12:32
Speaker 1: We're gonna watch that. But these days we have to
1:12:34
Speaker 1: do like a uh, there's some kind of website where
1:12:37
Speaker 1: you can check to see exactly what the rating means,
1:12:41
Speaker 1: and then like if you're a twelve year old, which
1:12:43
Speaker 1: movie can watch it? The One Battle after Another? And
1:12:47
Speaker 1: it turns out that it's not for twelve year olds,
1:12:50
Speaker 1: And so I might be a little bit like, get
1:12:52
Speaker 1: to watch it? What age is it for?
1:12:55
Speaker 3: Oh?
1:12:55
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, but just like reading like what's
1:12:58
Speaker 1: actually in there and you know the things that happened
1:13:02
Speaker 1: that yes, it's not for a twelve year old. Honest,
1:13:05
Speaker 1: your top line? Top three I chose to tell you
1:13:08
Speaker 1: about my top three filmed hunts for twenty twenty six.
1:13:11
Speaker 1: And it's hard to pick these like favorite hunts for
1:13:14
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, because I get to go on a
1:13:17
Speaker 1: lot of them. If I could just have it my way,
1:13:20
Speaker 1: I would just go on hunts with my kids and
1:13:23
Speaker 1: my gal, not do any hunts with Spencer Seth Brand
1:13:28
Speaker 1: or anybody else. But for work, I'm gonna go to
1:13:32
Speaker 1: a an Alaskan bear hunt with the Newcombs, both Bear
1:13:37
Speaker 1: and Clay and myself Drew, Prince of Wales Island bear tags,
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna go up there and test the theory
1:13:47
Speaker 1: if hunting those bears with a wets in a wet
1:13:50
Speaker 1: suit is the way to get close. So all three
1:13:54
Speaker 1: of us are just the theory. Well yeah, because they
1:13:56
Speaker 1: did it last year and in a couple of stocks,
1:13:58
Speaker 1: Clay gets to like ten yards and kills a bear
1:14:01
Speaker 1: or maybe it's two years ago now, and you know,
1:14:04
Speaker 1: after that happened, they're like, wow, that works, like everybody
1:14:09
Speaker 1: should do this, and so now we're gonna go and
1:14:11
Speaker 1: test to see if that's truly the case. Sweet, Yeah,
1:14:15
Speaker 1: it should be fun. I've got a wyoming elk on
1:14:18
Speaker 1: with my dad. He's got enough points to draw wyoming
1:14:21
Speaker 1: elk twenty seven or eight. It's a good general attack.
1:14:26
Speaker 1: But we've got a through a friend of mine. We've
1:14:28
Speaker 1: got a sweet ranch so we can get in on.
1:14:31
Speaker 1: It's very much an old guy hunt. You know. We're
1:14:36
Speaker 1: gonna go during archery season. There you can use a crossbow,
1:14:40
Speaker 1: so my dad has graduated to crossbow use and yeah,
1:14:44
Speaker 1: sounds like he's been doing getting in shape for that hunt.
1:14:47
Speaker 1: So that'll be it'll be fun. I don't know how
1:14:50
Speaker 1: many elk hunts, you know he's got left in him.
1:14:53
Speaker 1: It's coming up on mid seventies. Chopping mountains is not
1:14:59
Speaker 1: in his future, you know, he's in his crossbow prime. Though,
1:15:01
Speaker 1: crossbow prime, we'll see as long as he can see
1:15:04
Speaker 1: down the scope, you know, and take good aim. And
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Speaker 1: then Kansas deer hunt with mister Brent Reeves. Uh Yeah,
1:15:13
Speaker 1: super fun human that I've gotten to hang with a
1:15:17
Speaker 1: little bit, and I'm excited to hang with him more
1:15:19
Speaker 1: and get to know him some more. But he's also
1:15:21
Speaker 1: got a friend who runs an outfit in Kansas who
1:15:25
Speaker 1: said that we can come and hunt his outfit like
1:15:27
Speaker 1: an outfitter. Yeah, Okay, Yeah, we're gonna go hunt his spot.
1:15:31
Speaker 1: Sounds like this guy's quite the character too. I'm not
1:15:33
Speaker 1: gonna spoil that because he's gonna be a big part
1:15:36
Speaker 1: of the episode. But Brent and I are going to
1:15:39
Speaker 1: sell film the whole thing, So we're sort of gonna
1:15:42
Speaker 1: film each other sell film. We're not gonna have videographers there,
1:15:47
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be a whot something different
1:15:49
Speaker 1: that we've never done that. What season you go that way?
1:15:55
Speaker 1: Like archery? Okay, yeah, like primer out you going. I
1:15:58
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll go primer or not. We're gonna.
1:16:00
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm gonna let the outfitter, you know, point
1:16:03
Speaker 1: us in the right direction. As long as that lines
1:16:05
Speaker 1: up with with schedules, sure we'll do that.
1:16:08
Speaker 2: So Kansas has some unique seasons if you have like
1:16:10
Speaker 2: the October muzzleoader, I think, and then they write rifle
1:16:15
Speaker 2: season in December and.
1:16:17
Speaker 1: That October muzzle. A lot of people like that for
1:16:21
Speaker 1: especially for finding big box. It sounds like it's fun
1:16:23
Speaker 1: spot and stock. But you know, Brent and I both
1:16:27
Speaker 1: like hunting with the bow and so we're gonna, yeah,
1:16:31
Speaker 1: go do that. So Top three hunts. I'm looking forward
1:16:34
Speaker 1: to good stuff filming. Not jealous at all, Phil, your
1:16:38
Speaker 1: top three? What do you got? Goodness? Okay.
1:16:40
Speaker 4: On a previous episode, on a previous episode, I went
1:16:46
Speaker 4: over my top three video game characters that I would
1:16:48
Speaker 4: like to eat consume. So this this time, I decided
1:16:52
Speaker 4: to go with nineties cartoon characters that I would.
1:16:55
Speaker 1: Like to eat. Wow.
1:16:56
Speaker 4: Uh So, first up, we've got we've got cat dog.
1:17:00
Speaker 4: You know, I don't I don't know if cats or
1:17:03
Speaker 4: dogs taste very good. I've had Mountain Lion before. It
1:17:05
Speaker 4: was it was, it was all right, but you know,
1:17:07
Speaker 4: I just it's it's an abomination.
1:17:09
Speaker 1: And I want an off of the planet. Yeah.
1:17:11
Speaker 4: Also, it's you know, long backstrap is kind of lean.
1:17:15
Speaker 4: I don't know that might be, I might not not
1:17:17
Speaker 4: not be a great thing, but I'm honestly, I'm just
1:17:19
Speaker 4: curious that things like Yeah, so anyway, it could go
1:17:23
Speaker 4: either way. Next up, we've got mister Crabs from SpongeBob.
1:17:27
Speaker 4: I've always been a crab crab over lobster guy. It's
1:17:30
Speaker 4: the Pacific Northwest in me. I think Bikini Bottom is
1:17:34
Speaker 4: technically I think it can't canonically. It's like in the
1:17:38
Speaker 4: Marshall Islands, like between Hawaii and like Malaysia, somewhere around there.
1:17:45
Speaker 4: I don't know what kind of crabs would be there,
1:17:46
Speaker 4: but I'd like to imagine that he's like a like
1:17:48
Speaker 4: a like a human sized dungeon ess that I could
1:17:50
Speaker 4: just dig into.
1:17:51
Speaker 1: And that's what I choose to believe. He's got some
1:17:53
Speaker 1: real meaty claws.
1:17:53
Speaker 4: Though, definitely, I think I think that would be tasty.
1:17:56
Speaker 4: Number one, we've got Crumb from ah Real Monsters. Again,
1:18:00
Speaker 4: this could go either way for those for the audio
1:18:03
Speaker 4: listeners who haven't seen a real monsters, Crumb is just
1:18:05
Speaker 4: kind of like a big blob of flesh who has
1:18:07
Speaker 4: arms for ie stocks and holds eyeballs in his hands.
1:18:10
Speaker 4: Got some hairy armpits and really disturbing looking feet. Basically
1:18:15
Speaker 4: no leg, It's all just kind of cankle and foot.
1:18:19
Speaker 4: But you know it, look, I bet he tastes incredible
1:18:22
Speaker 4: kind of humanoid, little humanoid.
1:18:24
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna look past that.
1:18:26
Speaker 4: And also could be a scrotum that could have been
1:18:33
Speaker 4: the artistic inspiration. Yeahs, you're not wrong, and I'm just
1:18:38
Speaker 4: gonna move past that. They do yeah, yeah, and that
1:18:43
Speaker 4: under honorable mentions, we have Repti from Rugrats, who's a
1:18:46
Speaker 4: fictional dinosaur in a fictional cartoon, So I don't know
1:18:48
Speaker 4: if that really counts. We've got the angry beavers, and
1:18:51
Speaker 4: then from season four, episode eleven of Doug. This isn't
1:18:54
Speaker 4: a character, but they just make a really cool look
1:18:56
Speaker 4: in Lasagna. That's the episode where Judy has a date
1:19:01
Speaker 4: with her art school boyfriend and she wants her family
1:19:03
Speaker 4: to be cool, so she makes them pretend to be
1:19:05
Speaker 4: different people. And there's a bomb of fake bomb in
1:19:08
Speaker 4: the lasagna that Doug pretends to deactivate but by diving
1:19:12
Speaker 4: into the lasagna is Reptar?
1:19:15
Speaker 1: Is he the mascot for a chocolate bar? Or is
1:19:17
Speaker 1: that wrong? No? I don't think so. They might have.
1:19:20
Speaker 4: They might have made like a tie in candy after
1:19:21
Speaker 4: the cartoon. Okay, now he's his own thing. Yeah, he's
1:19:24
Speaker 4: just kind of his own cartoon character within the show.
1:19:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:19:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like the Mickey Mouse of that universe lost.
1:19:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, all those cartoons. I just I don't even know
1:19:35
Speaker 1: what's going on anymore. Are you following along? Yeah? You were?
1:19:39
Speaker 2: Okay, here is where we're at, Yanni. That's the end
1:19:41
Speaker 2: of this week's show. Okay, So we're gonna get lunch
1:19:44
Speaker 2: style feedback from the chat Phil.
1:19:46
Speaker 1: What do you got for?
1:19:47
Speaker 4: Oh, I haven't been reading it for a while, but
1:19:49
Speaker 4: we've got someone and I've I've heard this feedback before.
1:19:53
Speaker 4: Some people said they people who read the book didn't
1:19:55
Speaker 4: like The Killers of the Flower Moon movie annoptation because
1:19:58
Speaker 4: the book doesn't really reveal what's going on. It's more
1:20:01
Speaker 4: of like a mystery. I don't know, if you can
1:20:03
Speaker 4: speak to the Spencer. It's kind of like a mystery
1:20:05
Speaker 4: till the end, whereas the movie lays it all out
1:20:06
Speaker 4: in the beginning and you just kind of like live
1:20:08
Speaker 4: in the horror and the rot that's like kind of
1:20:10
Speaker 4: consuming this community.
1:20:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, you certainly are not told off the bat in
1:20:14
Speaker 2: the book as to what is happening. So if the
1:20:16
Speaker 2: movie does reveal the whole plot at the beginning.
1:20:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be it. It basically does. Yeah, just
1:20:23
Speaker 1: do you have both have the movie and the book. Yeah.
1:20:25
Speaker 4: This is an update from Christy Holmes, who was part
1:20:27
Speaker 4: of the thirty six women who went smelting and asked
1:20:31
Speaker 4: for good luck from us on the show. They had
1:20:33
Speaker 4: a wicked good time and the smelts were running and
1:20:36
Speaker 4: they're inviting us next winter, Christy, that sounds like a
1:20:38
Speaker 4: last So glad you had a good time, Christy.
1:20:41
Speaker 2: I think last year joined us for one minute fishing
1:20:44
Speaker 2: while she was smelting, so she had a baby on
1:20:47
Speaker 2: a hip and did not catch any smelt that day.
1:20:50
Speaker 2: So maybe we need to bring Christy back again to
1:20:52
Speaker 2: see if she can redeem herself for a five hundred
1:20:54
Speaker 2: dollars donation.
1:20:56
Speaker 4: Young Troe says, Yanni and Phil, which one of you
1:20:58
Speaker 4: two could grow a better musclesh to compete with Seth
1:21:01
Speaker 4: and Spencer. I've never seen Yanni with facial hair, but
1:21:03
Speaker 4: I can almost guarantee that he could grow a better
1:21:06
Speaker 4: mustache than I could.
1:21:09
Speaker 1: I would have said the same about you you Phil. Well,
1:21:11
Speaker 1: maybe we should make this happen next week. I'll well
1:21:13
Speaker 1: can put up a picture, because there's one time where
1:21:16
Speaker 1: I grew some facial hair. It was COVID. It took
1:21:18
Speaker 1: me the entire pandemic to come up with a beard
1:21:21
Speaker 1: and a mustache and it still look like shit. So
1:21:25
Speaker 1: you gave up. You're not not going to bring that back. No, no, no.
1:21:30
Speaker 4: Any recommendations from CSC broncos fan on red dot sites
1:21:35
Speaker 4: for a Turkey shotgun. Do you guys use red dots?
1:21:39
Speaker 4: I don't use red dot.
1:21:41
Speaker 1: No I do. I use to sig. I believe it's
1:21:44
Speaker 1: the Romeo Excel now nice and low. Whatever you get,
1:21:49
Speaker 1: make sure it's low profile because there's nothing worse and
1:21:52
Speaker 1: having a site that makes you have to get your
1:21:54
Speaker 1: cheek up off your shotgun. So yeah, get the mount
1:21:59
Speaker 1: to be low profile, the and the red do itself
1:22:03
Speaker 1: to be low profile. Two more, phil No.
1:22:06
Speaker 4: I don't even know if we have two more, or
1:22:08
Speaker 4: at least ones that I have.
1:22:10
Speaker 1: Uh we cat. There was a geared Talk question about
1:22:14
Speaker 1: the about if you guys have seen anything less? Instead
1:22:17
Speaker 1: of doing a wall tent, he was gonna save some
1:22:20
Speaker 1: money and just like double up on ice shelters. Anything
1:22:24
Speaker 1: about that seth.
1:22:25
Speaker 2: I feel like that's become very popular in the last
1:22:28
Speaker 2: like five years. Guys will take their like their Eskimo
1:22:33
Speaker 2: would be a classic example. Insulated ice shack and front
1:22:36
Speaker 2: Country Camp out of that.
1:22:37
Speaker 3: Well, there are a lot of those, A lot of
1:22:39
Speaker 3: those companies that are making ice shelters like that are building
1:22:42
Speaker 3: them for ice camping, and I'd imagine if you camp
1:22:46
Speaker 3: on the ice with them, you can camp on hard ground.
1:22:49
Speaker 3: So Yeah, they're they're they're just putting in features that
1:22:52
Speaker 3: are sure more conducive to like camping.
1:22:56
Speaker 1: Buddies that have done it.
1:22:57
Speaker 2: I've slept in a few of them, and most of
1:22:59
Speaker 2: them don't have flo so they'll take and they lay
1:23:01
Speaker 2: down like the sort of matt that you would put
1:23:04
Speaker 2: in a workout room.
1:23:06
Speaker 1: Yep, just a floor. Get it together.
1:23:11
Speaker 2: That seems like a pretty important thing to have with
1:23:13
Speaker 2: you and not very expensive to make happen either. Yeah,
1:23:16
Speaker 2: it seems seems like it's become quite popular.
1:23:19
Speaker 1: Floors are for babies. Yeah. The only thing I would
1:23:23
Speaker 1: say about going to have a baby sit. The only
1:23:25
Speaker 1: thing I would say about that is that the the
1:23:28
Speaker 1: wallton I think is going to outlast like the ice
1:23:31
Speaker 1: fishing pop ups. Sure, I feel like those have a
1:23:34
Speaker 1: little bit of a disposable feel to them.
1:23:38
Speaker 2: But maybe you're you're just like solo hunting, so you
1:23:41
Speaker 2: don't need a whole wall tent set up. And maybe
1:23:44
Speaker 2: you only got three hundred dollars instead of fifteen hundred.
1:23:48
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, but I'm just saying, yeah that if you yeah,
1:23:52
Speaker 1: if you only spend three hundred, it's not gonna last year,
1:23:55
Speaker 1: Like your.
1:23:55
Speaker 2: Kids may not inherit it. No, is this the gear
1:23:58
Speaker 2: talk thing you wanted.
1:23:59
Speaker 4: To cover, Johnny, that's the thing he was talking about, saying, Yeah,
1:24:03
Speaker 4: I've just had it on there.
1:24:04
Speaker 1: We'll do one more shout out.
1:24:05
Speaker 4: I don't really know the specifics because this question came
1:24:08
Speaker 4: in or statement came in an hour ago, and I
1:24:10
Speaker 4: don't know if he can provide more details. But he
1:24:12
Speaker 4: just he said he's this is from Actually Tea. He
1:24:15
Speaker 4: says he's here in South Carolina. He just formed a
1:24:16
Speaker 4: state branch of end of the National Deer Association, consolidating
1:24:20
Speaker 4: local chapters into one statewide branch. Maybe send a shout
1:24:22
Speaker 4: out to spread awareness. I don't know if it has
1:24:24
Speaker 4: a name or anything, but South Carolina people.
1:24:28
Speaker 2: South Carolina Branch of the National Deer Association. Uh, maybe
1:24:32
Speaker 2: they could receive some trivia funds in the future from
1:24:35
Speaker 2: a winner like Giannis or Seth. You keep that in
1:24:38
Speaker 2: mind for Actually Tea. All right, that's the end of
1:24:40
Speaker 2: this week's episode. We'll see you guys bank here the
1:24:42
Speaker 2: same time and place next week.
1:24:43
Speaker 1: By now,