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- Lucas: When Satya Nadella took over as CEO of Microsoft in February 2014, the conventional wisdom in Seattle and on Wall Street was that he needed to break up the company or spin off the consumer businesses. Windows was losing share, mobile was a disaster, and Microsoft had missed the internet, search, and social. Luna: And instead of a product pivot or a big restructuring, he started with culture. That felt unexpected at the time. Lucas: Completely. Nadella himself has said that the first thing he did was read a book. Specifically, he read 'Mindset' by psychologist Carol Dweck, which introduced him to the distinction between a fixed mindset — believing your abilities are static — and a growth mindset, where challenges are opportunities to learn. Luna: He made that the central metaphor for the company. 'Learn-it-all' versus 'know-it-all.' Lucas: Exactly. And that wasn't just a slogan. Within weeks, he mandated growth-mindset training for the entire senior leadership team. By the end of 2014, it was rolled out to all 128,000 employees. That's a massive bet on soft infrastructure. Luna: But it also addressed a real problem. Under Steve Ballmer, Microsoft had become famous for internal competition — the stack-ranking system where managers were forced to grade employees on a curve and fire the bottom 10 percent every year. Lucas: Right. That system, called 'stack ranking' internally, was designed to foster meritocracy but ended up creating a culture of internal politics and information hoarding. Employees would hide their best work from colleagues to get a better ranking. Nadella killed that system in his first year. Luna: In place of stack ranking, he introduced a team-based performance review that emphasised collaboration and learning. And he tied bonuses to company-wide success, not just individual metrics. Lucas: Which sounds simple, but it was a radical shift. One senior engineer I spoke with said the change felt like the air pressure in the building had been adjusted. Suddenly, it was okay to admit you didn't know something without fear of being ranked down for it. Luna: And that had real downstream effects. The teams working on Azure, which is now Microsoft's biggest business, started sharing code and best practices across groups that had previously been siloed. Lucas: So the cultural change wasn't just a feel-good exercise. It directly enabled the technical and strategic execution. Within two years of Nadella's arrival, Microsoft had committed to building Azure as a first-class cloud platform, and the engineering organisation was aligned behind that vision in a way it hadn't been for Windows Phone or Bing. Luna: That's the interesting thing about culture — it can be a leverage point for strategy. If you get the culture right, the strategy becomes easier to execute. Lucas: And Nadella understood that from the beginning. He said publicly that culture isn't built by memos or PowerPoint decks. It's built by the stories leaders tell and the questions they ask. One of his favourite questions in meetings is: 'What's the insight you got from a failure this week?' Luna: That's a specific, repeatable ritual. It normalises vulnerability and learning at the same time. Lucas: And it's a stark contrast to Ballmer's era, where admitting failure could get you a bad review. There's a famous story from the early days of Bing. A team had spent six months on a feature that users hated. Under Ballmer, the lead engineer might have been fired. Under Nadella, the same engineer presented what they learned from the failure at a company-wide meeting and was applauded. Luna: Before we go deeper on the results — and they are impressive, Microsoft's market cap went from around $300 billion in 2014 to over $2 trillion today — I want to touch on something. This episode is made possible by listeners who support the show. If these conversations have helped you think differently about leadership, a handful of listeners chip in monthly through buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo, and that's literally what funds making many of these episodes. It keeps the show ad-free and independent. Lucas: That support is what lets us spend time on deep dives like this one. So thank you to those who do. Now, one of the most visible outcomes of the culture change is that Microsoft has become a magnet for top AI talent. The company's research lab, Microsoft Research, was already world-class, but the collaborative culture post-Nadella has made it easier to retain people like Peter Lee and the team behind the Azure AI infrastructure. Luna: That cultural shift also helped Microsoft win the partnership with OpenAI. When Sam Altman was looking for a cloud provider that would let OpenAI experiment aggressively, Nadella's Microsoft — with its growth-mindset and emphasis on learning — was more willing to take a bet on a risky, unproven technology than a more conservative company like Google. Lucas: That's a great point. The culture of 'learn-it-all' made it acceptable to invest in something that might not pay off for years. And it paid off spectacularly. Microsoft's $13 billion investment in OpenAI is now a core part of its competitive advantage. Luna: But let's be honest — culture change at that scale is not without costs. Some of the top performers who thrived under the old competitive system felt alienated. A few left for Amazon or Google. Nadella has acknowledged that the transition wasn't smooth for everyone. Lucas: And there's a tension there. The stack-ranking system, for all its flaws, did produce a high-achieving, aggressive workforce. By softening that, Microsoft may have lost some of its edge in certain areas. The company's consumer hardware business, like the Surface line, has had mixed results. And Windows has gone from a profit centre to a relatively stable but low-growth unit. Luna: So the cultural transformation wasn't a silver bullet. It was a necessary condition for the cloud and AI pivot, but it didn't solve all of Microsoft's problems. Lucas: Right. And that's an important lesson for any leader trying to replicate this: culture change is foundational, but it has to be paired with clear strategic priorities and the right talent. Nadella didn't just change the culture and hope for the best. He also made hard decisions, like writing off the Nokia acquisition and cutting thousands of jobs in the phone division. Luna: Those job cuts were controversial, but they signaled a willingness to let go of the past. And the culture change made it easier for remaining employees to accept that pivot — because they understood the company was moving towards learning and growth, not just cost-cutting. Lucas: Exactly. The layoffs were framed as part of the strategy shift, not as a failure of individuals. That's a subtle but powerful difference in communication. Luna: I want to go back to something you said earlier about Nadella's first 100 days. He didn't just read a book. He also changed the way the executive team met. Instead of long PowerPoint presentations, he insisted on conversation. He asked questions. He encouraged debate. Lucas: That's right. He banned PowerPoint in some meetings and replaced it with shared Word documents that everyone read before the meeting. That forced people to come prepared with thoughtful ideas rather than bullet points. Luna: And he made a point of sitting with different teams every week — not just the senior leaders, but engineers, salespeople, and customer support. He wanted to hear the ground truth. Lucas: All of these are concrete behaviors that any leader can adopt. It's not about being a visionary. It's about being present and curious. Nadella's approach is almost anti-charismatic in a way. He's not a Steve Jobs-style showman. He's a listener. Luna: And that has shaped the culture. Microsoft today is more collaborative, more humble, and more willing to partner with competitors. The company now contributes heavily to open-source software, whereas under Ballmer, open source was called 'a cancer.' Lucas: That's the most dramatic shift of all. Under Nadella, Microsoft has become a top contributor to Linux, has released Visual Studio Code as open source, and has built its business model around subscriptions and cloud services rather than licensing proprietary software. Luna: That shift in business model required a cultural shift in how developers thought about value creation. And it worked. Microsoft's cloud revenue now exceeds its total revenue from a decade ago. Lucas: So the episode leaves us with a clear lesson: culture is not the soft stuff. It's the hard stuff that enables everything else. Nadella spent his first year not on a product roadmap but on a mindset transformation. And it paid off in ways that a product roadmap alone never could. Luna: For leaders listening, the question becomes: what's the one cultural change in your organisation that would unlock the most value? And are you willing to start with yourself? Lucas: That's the challenge. Nadella started by reading a book about his own mindset. That's a pretty low bar for any leader to clear.