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Chicago Draft Room: Best Bears Mock Drafts and they get robbed of the comp picks! · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Long was Jacob at 5th day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am already 10 people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome into Chicago Draft Room, 2026 on the clock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now it's some USA basketball, but let's talk a little bears football here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd Chicago Draft Room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's up, Jacob, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was saying before we hit record here for those of you listening to the video I feel I feel underdressed because you know you've got the suit coat and everything going and you know here I have I just kind of you know
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[SPEAKER_00]: rolled out of bed and here I am, but I'm excited to talk bears and talk draft tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There we go, whenever people are watching it, it's all relative times relative who cares.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we got to get my man Jacob some help here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob had fun day who tweeted that he's dreaming about the bears already missing in this draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a three last night, the bears drafted a kicker from Duke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd never heard of before in the third round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need the draft to get your ASAP.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, this is just sad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a bad one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember and vividly too, it was like, I mean, obviously, you know, it was a guy I never heard of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember vividly tweeting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Ryan polls, loves reaching for special teamers or whatever like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which you make a case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like after a third round pick on a Duke kicker, I didn't know about, but yeah, I'm just excited for the draft to get here, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I
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[SPEAKER_01]: That I think that was that dream was a wake up call like I need to find a like a hobby or something like I need something else to No, I thought like the moral of the tweet and the moral of the dream is to never draft a kicker upon her, especially in the third or in the fourth round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, catch my drift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not going to work out, even if they are a Tory Taylor, you know, when I was saying, maybe go any year three, but at this point, a fourth drop pick on a punner is a disaster or a waste of the pick, and I also want to mention for those of you listening or watching that you guys at with Chicago Sports Tracks, Chicago Sports Podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get your chance, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also make sure to check out Jacob's great work at Windy City Gradiron.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His latest 20-26 bears draft notebook, Ricky Potential options at number 25.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's great stuff in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Check out Windy City Gradiron.com and of course the Second City Gradiron YouTube and podcast channels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I figured out
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had an epiphany last night as I was on my flight from Dallas to Indianapolis about who the bear should take it 25.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've made it my mind about that and and we'll get to that coming up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to that coming up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I wanted to start today's show talking about the comp pick situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't really talked about that yet, but it's obviously been a huge story around the bears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the bears are not getting right now comp picks for their
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so basically, the gist of this is that, you know, based on some of the Rooney rule teams that develop minority candidates at the General Manager position, when they lose those players, when they lose those administrators, execs, they're supposed to get complex for it, one, perhaps two, over multiple years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the bears have so far been turned down multiple times by the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The NFL Jacob doesn't want to set this precedent because in cutting him, because Matt Ryan was named sort of the head of football operations, the president of football operations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're they don't want to set the precedent, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: here that Matt, you know, that you can hire a GM as a GM, I'm not really sure what the president is, that they're trying to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It almost feels like the president's, that they are setting in, you can hire anybody to be your GM and then just give them a secondary title and then you don't give up cotton or then the other team doesn't get a copyx is kind of the president that's being set.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you make of this situation because feels like the bear should at least have one more third round pick this year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'm with you a hundred percent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's it's setting a precedent, but not in a good way, it just it doesn't make sense to me, we're actively now, both in cunning, you know, Ian Cunningham is saying like I'm going to be running the show Matt Ryan saying, all right, you know, Ian's the pride literally the primary football decision maker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matt Ryan has literally said that, cutting him has said the same thing, the Falcons don't lose anything, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Coppix art like you're losing anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's, it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just I don't understand the logic behind it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's pretty abundantly clear that cutting hands running the show and Ryan is in like an overseer sort of role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like obviously, you know, he's going to be influential in making decision, but he's not the primary decision maker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's made it clear cutting hands made it clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody at this point has an understanding that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cunningham is the guy who has the most say in the organization but for whatever reason the NFL aren't giving the bear's copics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there's sometimes where rulings that the league make, where it's like, I don't know if I agree with that but that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This just does not make sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any capacity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, you know, it sounds like they're still trying to appeal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for those, you know, for that conflict, at least this year, but I don't know, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a baffling situation and you're 100% right, where it sets a bad precedent where you can hire anybody as GM and the other team is not going to get compact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's entirely in totally over rules what the Rooney rules supposed to be doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because I mean, you know, you have right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, you know, for better or worse, you have an incentive to develop, you know, develop these, you know, minority candidates and potential general managers who had coaches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not going to get those picks, then, you know, the unfortunate nature of it is, it could be tougher for them to, you know, break into those kind of situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Jewish, yeah, it's just a bad situation, all the way around, and I think that's one
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[SPEAKER_01]: George Bacazki basically said that the league's hesitation to award the bears' comp picks and they should based on the letter of the law and the situation get a comp pick this year and next year for losing coming hands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said quote the league has to think big picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the consequences of us ruling in a particular way in this particular case and how would that be applied to the other 30 teams of the future?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a narrow inquiry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think we'd like it in order to maybe be a little bit more boisterous about how ridiculous this is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, I don't know what because everything I've read is about the league is going to set a precedence, but it sounds like in not wanting to set one precedence, they're setting a horrible precedence the other way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which again, as we've just kind of be leegered here is essentially, you know, it creates the loopholes where teams can deliberately name someone other than their actual GM hire as the primary football executive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For what I don't know, but again, bear shouldn't have an extra pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like with with Dan Snyder gone now, McCaskey may be the worst owner in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he would know what he's arguing against at this point from President's standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rather, he'd be a little more opinionated and now it's spoken about how ridiculous this is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bears, McCaskey Warren and Poles are going to meet with the league for a direct meeting with Roger Gdell, I guess, plead their case and we'll see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in every step of the way, the bears have enrolled against the situation, and it's a grieges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's nuts and it's interesting because every single time that I run, you know, a mock draft or, you know, like a mock draft simulation or anything like that, I'm like, man, it would really be nice if the bears had that extra third round pick because they have, you know, they have a couple needs that need to be addressed and there's the lot of good value this year, especially in that third round kind of area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not holding out any hope that it's going to turn out in the bear's favor, honestly, but I mean, stranger things have happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm in like what you mentioned earlier about, like sometimes the NFL has a rolling and you're like, okay, I don't know that I like it, but I see the rationale here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This one doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no rhyme or reason to rationale that makes any sense for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I mean, it's a important pick in an important draft of the bear,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, on on on defense and maybe the funniest thing about this is that the Falcons officially hired Jeff Scott as their assistant G.M.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they have an assistant G.M.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Assistant to the assistant, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the assistant to the assistant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about so he's basically doing, doing truth at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100% which is yeah, it's frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, one of the things I also want to do today was
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[SPEAKER_01]: talk through some of the draft experts that we like, some of the mock drafts that have basically been most accurate over the years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many mock drafts, there's so many draft experts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, it's good to get a good sense of the lay of the land in terms of everybody, but I thought it'd be good to talk through some of our favorite Jacob and I know one guy that both you and I know, well, I think is the best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is not from my perspective, not necessarily from a mock draft in terms of accuracy, I'll
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for me, for my money, Dane Brugler from the athletic is the absolute best in terms of the evaluations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, you know, you and I were just texting last night about, where's the beast?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Normally this time of year, the beast has been released by Dane Brugler.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every year releases like a Bible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you will, the beast is what he calls it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's deep dive valuations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he knows about these players' families.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, the anecdotes that he pulls are just insane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he goes to come out this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're hoping to get Brugler on a future show, but he was the first guy I wanted to bring up for my money in terms of evaluations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a few better than Dane Brugler when it comes to the NFL draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100% I mean I have a you know a ton of respect and I know you do as well for all the work that he puts in and all the research that he does and not just in terms of like how in depth he goes for each prospect but how many prospects he has information on I think yes
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[SPEAKER_00]: Simply nuts and every time I watch the beast, I'm like, okay, you know, I like to think I put in, you know, more work than most and then I go to the beast and I'm like, he's got hundreds of hundreds of guys that I've never even heard of before in there and it's it's incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how he does it, but yeah, I'm excited for the beast to come out whenever it does end up a end up dropping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be a point in viewing for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure, and hopefully we can get Dane on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So who are some of the ones, Jacob, that you like, who are some of the, you know, the draft experts, the box drafts, you like to look at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They maybe you put a little bit more weight into, because I think, you know, it's, especially with the bears, we've obviously talked to talk about this when you go back to some of our past podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's about five, six, seven guys that have been mocked to the bears at 25.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I felt like getting a good sense of like the most accurate mock, mock drafters would be a good good idea in today's show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like take us through who you like, who you pay attention to, who you focus on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, I look at especially as the draft gets closer, a lot of people with
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[SPEAKER_00]: League related insights where I mean, you know, these guys are great evaluators, but also to a lot of the marks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, this is what I'm hearing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what it's trending towards and, you know, that can be someone like Daniel Jeremiah from, you know, NFL network, I know Matt Miller from ESPN has some guys as well, where, you know, he he'll hear something and.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, you'll see that appear as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are a couple guys where at least from a, you know, from an intel perspective, I think their mock drafts are, you know, incredibly interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that from it, if you're looking like evaluation perspective, I mean, you know, both those guys fit the bill as well, you know, you're looking at any of the NFL network guys, Eric at home, Bucky Brooks, you know, guys like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cheap plug, but PFSN, I know Ian Cummings does a ton of really good work as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know being able to work with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know how dedicated he is and the depth of what if the information that he has on the prospects that he watches is really impressive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, those are a couple of guys as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're also talking, it's, you know, unfortunate with, you know, the PFF layoffs, because I think the guys at NFL Stock Exchange do a really good job as well, of break-in-down prospects and having, you know, opinions in that regard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, those are just a couple of guys where it's like, you know, if they're saying something, I pay attention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's interesting
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were heard of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jason Boris, like Boris, like B-O-R-I-S, like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a dude's name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's from the Times News in late in Pennsylvania.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is the most accurate NFL mock draft analyst over the last five years, basically in terms of his first round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The craziest part is he only does one mock and he releases it the day of the draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess that makes you more accurate because you're, you know, accumulating a bunch of information over the course of time and then, you know, and then that helps you make it for decisions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just found an interesting because I've never heard of them, never heard of a public HB rights for and the only drops one mock and it's the day of the first round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, that's nuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of you have the one that score pretty high.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It Brendan Donahue from Shark Football Analyst, Jared Smola from Drap, Sharks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, Charlie Campbell from Walter Football is a guy that also consistently ranks pretty high in terms of accuracy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I love the guys that are ranked pretty high and Campbell is certainly one of them Pete Trigger is a guy that you mentioned from NFL like I think now with the SPN who does a really good job of getting good information He's got good contacts from the action network, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: The past Russia cashiest howl is who Charlie Campbell is the bear's taking a 25 right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just I wanted to take a look at some of the most accurate via the metrics mock drafters over the last five drafts and Campbell's one of them and he's got cashiest howl one of the bears is 25.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I know that historically Charlie Campbell has been very strong as far as the relative to other mock drafts and the accuracy in that regard, how will I limit would surprise me a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that especially from a schematic perspective, I think that his, you know, I mean, he's a little undersized, but it's really the lack of length, the short arms that really,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think kind of, I don't want to say disqualify him from consideration for the bears, but when you look at the defense events that Dennis Allen has drafted, you know, or that Dennis Allen teams have drafted rather, it's typically a much different phenotype than what you're looking at with howl and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Howls, you know, an impressive athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, you know, explosive offline, a skirmitch is flexible as hands are quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a deep arsenal as a past rusher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like when he can bring as a situational past rusher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he'd be a good addition to the bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think from a schematic perspective, I don't know if he fits what they're gonna need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, he's somebody where I've never really strongly considered him as an option there at 25.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, but I,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, if it happens, you know, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So be it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it showed it would show that there's a little bit more flexibility instead of, oh, we're married to this specific type of defense event, which I'd be interested in, but I mean, again, I just don't think that it matches up with some of the guys that we've seen in that Allen defense in years past.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the other one I wanted to talk about today was Bruce Feldbedt for the athletic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's one of the best covering college football?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He released a mock draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, you know, again, you're kind of gauging some of these guys and the information they're getting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know Bruce Feldman's getting good information, you know Bruce, if you pay attention to his work has the freaks list that he released every year for college football players kind of documenting the most freakish athletes at the college football level and so he just got great insights into these players and where they could go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he has the beat mocked the bears with a key message or 25 and he writes,
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[SPEAKER_01]: which this actually surprised me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually has a manual McNeil war and off the board at 19 to Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Feldman writes, if McNeil war and we're still in the board, Chicago would have loved to scoop up the big safety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Mezador fills a big need to the auto and native who began his college girl West Virginia was the other edge guy on Miami's D line that gave quarterback's nightmare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And and the quote he got was because bane such a beast people tend to overlook what a monster this guy is that's from an ACC at coach He's really violent with his hands and he really bent to and he's got a really good motor He won't stay blocked and he just keeps coming and quote that's from Bruce Feldman's mock that has the bear's taking A key message or 25 and amazingly or interestingly, I guess based on our last conversation He has Feldman has the bills taking cash is how old 26
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so yeah, I mean in Bruce Feldman's another guy too, we're you know every time the the freaks list comes out in the summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, all right, that's appointment viewing and right if there are any guys there who are draft eligible that I hadn't watched to that point, I'm like, all right, I need to add them to my watch list because pretty consistently, you're going to see a lot of future and a fellow who's in that regard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, measured or I would be
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[SPEAKER_00]: very very happy with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he ends up falling to 25, uh, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, then I can go on and on about Mesodore, and I'm sure we will later on in the show, but I have a, you know, if he's there at 25, I think that's a pro-ready player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a guy who's going to contribute right out of the gate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people have concerns about the age, but I think if you're looking for an immediate upgrade at defense event, I think Mesodore's 100% fitting that bill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and earlier I mentioned that I last night had this like a piphany or not, you know, not maybe that's too strong, but I figured who I want the bears to take and I've settled on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've talked a lot about Peter Woods and I wouldn't be upset with him, but Mezzodor is my guy 25.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this is not one to overthink and, you know, given the age thing, I think there's a pretty good chance he's going to be available at 25.
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And as we've discussed, and I'll continue to say, like the age thing, I think is actually a perfect for the bears.
21:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think the age actually works for the bears because you're getting, as you just said, and as we talked about here on this podcast, that you're getting a guy that is ready to go and ready to produce.
22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So the age to me is the major positive, as opposed to maybe some of these other guys that are gonna have to develop it, or gonna have to get their size to a certain point.
22:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And their body growth, I think,
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, being the age of some current NFL players that have, you know, already on second contracts, he's NFL body, right?
22:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And like the last thing I'll say of a measured order in terms of not overthinking it is.
22:28
[SPEAKER_01]: all this dude does is produce, you know, I watched him with my cover time big 12 radio with West Virginia and he was on, you know, some some decent defenses, but like just he was a game record for West Virginia.
22:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he goes to Miami, he does the same thing and it's like, again, don't overthink it.
22:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Like sometimes a straight line is the best way to get there and like the dude just puts up sack numbers, he gets the quarterback and they're like at some point that tells you something about his upside.
22:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and whenever, you know, I'm with you 100% whenever I watch measured or I'm instantly impressed with his ability to get to the quarterback with his ability to disrupt plays and, you know, yeah, I think that playing alongside Bane helps put it at the same time, you know, you end up in Chicago, I mean, or wherever you end up getting drafted, I mean, measured or it's probably going to be outside of the top 10 wherever it ends up being.
23:21
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have,
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[SPEAKER_00]: at least one other talented edge rusher alongside you.
23:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're probably going to get a decent amount of one on one on opportunities, especially as a rookie, you're not getting double team nonstop.
23:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that boats that boats well for Mezzador.
23:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's one thing I'm not too worried about with him because I see how deep his arsenal is, how many ways he can beat you with, you know, finesse with pure speed with power, the abilities of, you know,
23:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a blocker's head on and run through their face.
23:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It does a really diverse, and I love the power he plays with.
23:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the quickness, the spatial awareness against the run and having the knowing when and how to sack and shed blocks and free yourself up to make plays in the run game.
24:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, again, you're looking at a polished player.
24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know we've said it.
24:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: as it was an instant contributor, everyone's going to, you know, the tractors are going to point to the age and be like, oh, well, you know, he's old, whatever, for a prospect and it's like, yeah, but at 25, you're not getting a flawless prospect, right?
24:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, I think that's something, so many people are overthinking.
24:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, well, what about this for this guy?
24:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you can do that for anybody that the bears would take is 25.
24:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not getting a
24:43
[SPEAKER_00]: measured or though, I think has probably the best tape in the bunch.
24:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know, in my, I would mention my, you know, latest at Winnie City Grider and again, cheap plug.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I had woods at number one as far as like ranking potential options in that tier of unlikely to fall.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Mezzodor's number two for me, so he's somebody where I'd be absolutely ecstatic.
25:06
[SPEAKER_00]: If he's there at 25 and he's the selection, I'd be like, all right, now we're in business.
25:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I have concerns about how good this defense of line is going to be and if there are going to be any upgrades.
25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: As compared from last year to this year, if you bring a mezzodor, my concerns are going to be instantly cut down by a good
25:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, do you think for the bears' current needs?
25:33
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a better player they could get in that spot.
25:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I mean, I don't know.
25:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, man, I like Woods a lot.
25:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even then, I'm like, it's more of like one A, one B for me, honestly, with those two.
25:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what are the biggest differences in your eyes between Woods and the Messador?
25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think Woods being younger definitely helps.
26:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I think honestly, that's probably just the big, tiebreaker in this case where Woods is 21, Mezzador is gonna be 25.
26:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a four-year difference.
26:12
[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty significant.
26:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that at least this year, Mezzador's tape at Edge was slightly better than Woods in 2025 the defensive tackle.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I also look at what Woods did in 2024.
26:25
[SPEAKER_00]: He was incredible that year.
26:27
[SPEAKER_00]: 20, he's still good in 2025.
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
26:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, there's a reason he's probably not going to be a top 10 pick.
26:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, the reason why, but yeah, I'd say, I'd say the youth probably is still really good tape with woods.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that combination plays a little bit into his, you know, advantage.
26:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, still, like I said, it's probably one A one B if measured or is there he's the pick.
26:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be ecstatic with it.
26:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the other one, Brendan Donahue from Sharpe, Clipball Analysis Ward, Sharpe.
26:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He's another one of those, you know, most accurate, according to measure, you know, those who measure that stuff, Donahue currently has the bears taking Zion young and other name we've talked about.
27:10
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the bucket ears trading up to 21, to draft the key
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was interesting too that Bruce Feldman mentions Emmanuel McNeil-War, and that's a name we've also associated with the bears potentially in the first round, but that he said the bears be interested that he didn't have him available in at 25 in that spot.
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was kind of interesting.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and then he does have Peter Woods available at 25.
27:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So Donahue currently has the bears taking, he has the bears currently taking Zion Young with
27:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a situation, again, I wouldn't hate because I do like Zion young a lot.
27:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, I mean, we talk earlier about, you know, the phenotype and eddrasher.
28:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I think young fits that much better than a Catholic hashis, howl for example, where Zion has the size, he has the length, he has the build, he has the play strength to the ability to set the edge in the run game and the ability to work off of blocks.
28:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you have quick defensive tackles who can get pressure,
28:20
[SPEAKER_00]: then they can just run right into the young's lap, and he has the strength, the ability to set the edge well.
28:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's quicker than a lot of people getting credit for.
28:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't necessarily say he's bendy, but I think he has a good first step off the line of scrimmage, which is really impressive to me.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and then just the fact that he got consistently better year-over-year like i think you know he started off in Michigan state had some solid you know flashes but then went to Missouri for twenty twenty four had a solid year twenty twenty five was the best one yet i think he's got you know he's another guy where he's got a deep arsenal
28:58
[SPEAKER_00]: in a lot of different ways he can use his hands to shed blocks.
29:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I think compared to a guy like Mesodore, I think Mesodore, you know, the pad levels a little bit better and I think the, you know, the flexibility is a little bit better, which is why I have Mesodore higher, but young, you still solid athlete in his own right, he has the power, he's got good hand, usage, uh,
29:20
[SPEAKER_00]: he's another guy I'd be I perfectly find with him as the pick like I'm not jumping up and down maybe I am a little bit being just and I you know he's a guy that's going to be pretty excited about
29:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I mean, and you wrote about this in, you know, your latest for Winnie City Gridiron, I would encourage people to go check out, you know, all of the draft stuff you do, but certainly your latest, where, you know, the bear's keep saying about BPA best player available, and I think that's the right approach, but they're not taking a tight end to a quarterback.
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not gonna.
29:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the most likely I'm gonna take it off at the player even if that is the best player.
29:57
[SPEAKER_01]: They're bored available So I think to your point like any defensive player is probably going to make any make us all happy Now there are I think there are certain names that we'd like over others probably five names, but yeah
30:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say for the bears, BPA, probably only in second round or later, it may be not even there.
30:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, load up on the defense.
30:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think get as many lottery tickets as you can on the defensive side of the football, to put yourself in position to have a improved defense this year.
30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was, you know, it was a big weakness last year.
30:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they got buy on that turnover ability, but the consistency, the down by down, it just, it wasn't there.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I think it's really tough to project, oh, well, they're going to have a ton of turnovers again next year.
30:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, even if they brought back, guys, like, biored in nation
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just, that's a statistic, that's a sustainable.
30:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you look at like there's three stats they look at that say these things tend to even out year over year.
31:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're really good in these categories one year you tend to even out the next year and those are injury luck, close game luck and turnovers three three factors and look we're looking at the bears last year they want a lot of close games.
31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about some of the luck they had in some of those games to win them.
31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to say that
31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson wasn't an ex-factor in what he said in those games, but man, they got some big time luck in what he said in those games.
31:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, Raiders game, some of these games were wild in terms of the end.
31:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've been mentioning the Packers game, so, and then to your point, like turn over piece.
31:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there are certain areas of turnovers that you can generate turnovers that are translatable year over year, you know, peanut telmen we think of famously for his ability to create turnovers, but those are few and far between for the most part, most turnovers are a product of luck and that tends to even out year over year to your point.
32:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, absolutely.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, it's interesting you bring up those factors too, because like, you know, the bears, they did have a decent amount of luck down the stretch.
32:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and I think part of it was, you know, the clutch play of, you know, guys on both sides of all, especially on offense.
32:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that luck played into that factor too.
32:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, you know, two things that went in the bears favor this past season,
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: granted the injury luck wasn't very good for Chicago.
32:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was something they overcame and it's like, okay, you look at that, especially at corner, like if they're going to be healthier, if you're going to have Jalen Johnson for more than, you know, however, like five games, you're going to have Kyler Gordon hopefully for more than like three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was one thing in particular.
32:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I think should really help the defense.
32:55
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you're looking to build something sustainable here.
32:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's going to involve drafting really well on the defense inside of the ball.
33:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You have your offensive talents for sure.
33:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have a core.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on that side of the ball to work with that in order to get their young, they're talented and feel good about their development going forward.
33:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But on defense it's just I don't think that that's necessary going through you know, that's something that they're going to need to address and they're going to need to be able to fix and make that more sustainable as opposed for 2026 and beyond.
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33:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm already taken and if you're listed in the podcast, you're confused while I might be very loud where I am.
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because I've had to follow four at Lucaswell Stadium where we're about 20 minutes away from Illinois taking the practice court and I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just as I'm sure there are a ton of Illinois fans listening to this that are fair spans as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for a day before practice, this, this, the other side that I'm looking at right now across where I'm sitting is almost entirely full in the little effects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I read B.S.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Seekyke that 48% of the tickets have been sold to Illinois fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: make sense champagne to two hours from here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chicago is three, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm makes a ton of sad.
34:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just crazy to see like for a practice it's about to start how crowded it is.
34:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You know it's a football stadium and obviously fast but a football stadium's always odd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was sitting in the media section probably at like the 20 yard line I would think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I probably on the field right out of the 20-yard line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's sort of situated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it shows you how small a basketball court is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't football in a football stadium.
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35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you check out, did you see ESPN Mike Sando?
35:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He had some of these
35:27
[SPEAKER_01]: just gets kind of their, their thoughts, their takes on how the, the off season has gone.
35:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And one NFL GM, this is the one I wanted to highlight on the DJ more trade.
35:39
[SPEAKER_01]: This is maybe the biggest highlight of the piece that Santa put together.
35:42
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, quote, DJ more was going to get cut and they gave up a second Rob picked to get them.
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: One other exact said, they give up a
35:57
[SPEAKER_01]: When the bears get fleeced, nobody brings it up.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: But when the bears do the fleece, it feels like a big deal.
36:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I mean, we're the, we're the anonymous exact with Chase Claypool, or the Chase Claypool trade happened.
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, literally.
36:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's good though to be on the other side of it.
36:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose, right, right, and I think it was interesting too when that came out where it's like, oh, there were a lot of bear's fans who were adamantly against the bear's trading DJ more.
36:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And like I understood why, I mean, I wasn't in that camp.
36:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I lean towards trading him.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think once everybody saw that the hall they got was, okay, DJ in a fifth for a second round pick, I mean, I think it's like, oh, well, yeah, no, that makes sense.
36:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you do that, you know, it was it became an instant like, yeah, it's bittersweet to lose a guy that you enjoy watching, but for that price, I mean, come on like you can't turn that down.
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, do you think, like, you think it's the bear's what have got them, you think that's right, you think that's accurate?
37:10
[SPEAKER_01]: The bear's where to cut, you get more if they couldn't find a trade partner?
37:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about that necessarily.
37:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think they definitely would have tried to, you know, I think they would have been able to find different takers for a trade.
37:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they wouldn't have, let's say I'm trying to think of the best way to put this.
37:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they would have been able to trade them regardless, but I don't think that, although I don't think too many other teams would have met that price for sure.
37:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know necessarily they would have cut them out right.
37:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they couldn't find any good takers at all, then they might have tried to keep them.
37:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, I get the general sentiment where it's like, here's a guy whose
38:01
[SPEAKER_00]: coming off of a down year, it's numbers have been trending downwards each of the last two seasons.
38:09
[SPEAKER_00]: His effort came into question multiple times over the course of the season and he's also on a very expensive contract.
38:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, granted the bears are eating some of that, but it's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: enough to the point where it's like, oh, that's a total steal.
38:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's $19 million that he's more is going to be making him buffalo, not including the dead cap that the bears are going to be paying him.
38:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But the $19 million for a guy is still, you know, it's like, I don't know, for a guy who's on the decline seemingly, that's a pretty steep and then you factor in the second round pick on top of that.
38:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I, I don't know what buffalo was doing.
38:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, and, you know, that's essentially what that, you know, anonymous exec said, the thing I'll say is like, like, these things don't occur in a vacuum, you know, Buffalo is just offering a second round pick and nobody else is offering anything.
39:04
[SPEAKER_01]: They're had to be a market for DJ board for Buffalo to trade a second round pick, you know,
39:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just don't buy that they were going to cut them and that they just offered up a second route pick, right?
39:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Like these GMs, they all let many of them or friends, they talk, you know, I know that there are sometimes some smoke screens that are put up, but like you're not trying to get a second route pick.
39:26
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, unless you think that there's, you know, that there's other takers, maybe at the third round or fourth round, you know, area.
39:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't buy that they are the only team in on DJ Moore.
39:38
[SPEAKER_01]: More still has a lot of valuable years left.
39:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we got caught in a situation with the bears where they've obviously developed behind him.
39:46
[SPEAKER_01]: They drafted.
39:46
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to get those guys more run.
39:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, again, with coach, we talked about this before them, the precision in route running.
39:53
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a thing.
39:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, in a situation with that he's used to with Joe Brady in Buffalo, you know, that makes more sense than the situation with Ben Johnson in Chicago in terms of what he expects, you know, his receivers be able to do and what he needs them to do.
40:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, and I'm excited for DJ.
40:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I think at the end of the day, it's an opportunity for him to get a higher target share to work with Josh Allen to work with a, you know, another contending team.
40:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It should be pretty exciting, honestly.
40:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see how it plays out.
40:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm with you though.
40:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that if the bills Gave we're willing to give up that much their had to have been a bidding war for him because it doesn't make sense to be like Yeah, you know what we're going to start with the second and a fifth or whatever and then we're all you know Bit just bid against yourself at that point That price definitely indicates that the remoteable people involved
40:50
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, hey, I'm not complaining at the end of the day.
40:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bear's got really good value.
40:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll, you know, we'll see what they end up doing with that pic, but I'm definitely not complaining about how it all turned out.
41:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, shout to my son, Asher is 10 years old, the huge bear's fan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's watching this from our house to Dallas, shout out Asher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's up, buddy?
41:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shout out Asher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also shout out to AJ Johnson, who asks the question on our YouTube channel, second city grid, our YouTube wonder if they'd be interested in either folk who the Jeremy Garrett coached his freshman year or low move, talking about Caleb low move, if they got a small trade down in the first 27 or 32.
41:30
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked a little bit about Keldrick Falk, I think last
41:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess first touch on the fault thing of a connection with Garrett, uh, and then, and only on Lomo.
41:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's an interesting point on Jeremy Garrett where, you know, you have a bears defensive line coach with experience directly working with one of the top defensive line prospects in this class.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it checks out, you know, naturally I think you have that connection.
42:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, folk, I mean, especially as a sophomore was very productive with seven sacks in 2024 for Auburn, 11 tackles for a loss.
42:13
[SPEAKER_00]: The numbers definitely dropped off in 2025, but I think that you have a toolsy defensive linemen who, like we keep talking about the size, the length, the power, fault fits all those to a team and he's got that really good size adjusted quickness.
42:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't think he's very wrong, and I think the down by down consistency isn't there, but from a physical perspective his upside is tremendous and I do think he's going to be a good run defender pretty quickly.
42:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a matter of if he can diversify his plan enough to get become a better pass rusher.
42:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: fall.
42:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's always, you know, going into this is like, oh, he'll be a top, excuse me, a top 15 pick.
42:57
[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't the case.
42:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that doesn't seem like it's going to be the case after the 2021 five that he had, but the upside's on dinner with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think that naturally makes sense.
43:09
[SPEAKER_00]: The position, the physical aspect and the tie to care it, should be beneficial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should make him enticing to the bears of 25.
43:18
[SPEAKER_00]: If they take him, I don't know, I don't even know if I'll still be going to be there at 25.
43:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so I think someone might take a shot on him earlier, and then specifically to Lomo.
43:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I don't really want to know where do you have Falk, what do you have Falk in your rankings?
43:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so right now, I have Falk at number 30 overall on my board.
43:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So like a slight reach.
43:46
[SPEAKER_00]: but it means it's decent enough value.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great find by AJ on the connection with Garrett who was the D-line coach at Auburn for Falks, freshman year when he was all SEC freshman, and you know, one of the top players on a really good defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was only an Auburn for one year Garrett before he went and left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was part of a few freezes first half at Auburn in 24.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and left to what's the Jaguar's 23 and the left to go to the Jaguars in 24.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, goodbye by AJ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're going to say about Caleb Lomo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so low moves an incredible athlete along the offensive line.
44:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, you know, he dominated the combine and that wasn't necessarily surprising.
44:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, watching him at Utah, you see the movement skills, the foot speed, and his kick slide, the redirectability and pass protection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How coordinated he is blocking on the move in the run game.
44:41
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got good instincts, uses his hands well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe not the strongest guy.
44:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's, you know, listed six, six, three, 13.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they're definitely, you know, he's got good size, but I think that they're more, you know, powerful, uh, displacers, so to speak, in this class where,
45:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you you have him as a downblocker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have him as a reach blocker that combination of size and speed is going to, you know, wash guys out, but if you have someone he's facing head on, he's not going to be as consistent driving defenders off the line of skirmish and, you know, shorter arms for tackle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think he's going to stick at tackle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting over 33 inch arms as, you know, meeting the criteria's helpful of that regard, but.
45:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's just I'd be fine with low move at 25 for sure or you know if they trade back a little bit
45:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I, again, like we said, I really want them to go defense personally just because that's such a big need.
45:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can get behind, you can get my, with a stop-gap tackle while Tupilo gets healthy.
45:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
45:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm not a doctor.
45:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, you know, repeatedly over and over, I don't know what long-term's gonna look like with Aussie Tupilo, I'm hopeful that you'll be able to bounce back and I saw enough from him as a rookie to be encouraged about him as a potential long-term starting option
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they take a guy like Lomu at 25 and you know, they determine, all right, Ozzy is probably not going to get back to normal or, you know, not going to bounce back to what he, you know, to what he was before, then yeah, sure, I think Lomu would be good value.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he'd be a good scheme fit with, you know, that zone had become a rug game.
46:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a part of me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I take that though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be fine.
46:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, I think I'd be pretty disappointed for theirs.
46:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Do not go defense.
46:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there'd have to be a certain grouping of players off the board for me to not second guess and off that's a pick.
46:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think like, I'm so pretty comfortable and maybe this is, you know, this is about, this is the wrong, I shouldn't feel comfortable, but I feel pretty comfortable what they've done to put themselves a position even without true pillow to survive at left tackle and maybe even thrive, right?
47:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they,
47:04
[SPEAKER_01]: they've done enough there where you feel good like it.
47:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because I felt a lot worse about left tackle going to last year.
47:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Just based on what you're kind of a bunch of rookies and I'd read the free agents and a guy that really hasn't stayed healthy.
47:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it feels like they've just got, I don't know, better, they're in better position for that.
47:23
[SPEAKER_01]: The word where I would be,
47:27
[SPEAKER_01]: disappointed if they took a left tackle or you know if they if they try to replace their left tackle position in the first round of draft and maybe that will tell us how they feel about what they've done and what they brought in you know the guy from the Browns who was a high draft pick that maybe you know they can get him right they obviously brought racks and back like they've the offended that's they're like they've got they've got some options there that I feel pretty good about a lot better than I felt this time last year maybe that's maybe that's my
47:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
47:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my thinking was, you bring, yeah, again, you bring back cracks and Jones, you bring, you know, you bring in metric wills, you have to be abandoned at to work with.
48:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, all right, you have enough options to where I feel like one of them can step in and be, you know, a serviceable starting left tackle.
48:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the bears disagree and and I do think that if you're going to take a tackle, it should be round one in this class, because you're not going to real, I mean, with where the bears pick and with how this draft is lined up, you're not going to find good value at tackle in the second round.
48:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just like right like.
48:33
[SPEAKER_00]: All the top guys are either going to go in round one or within the first couple picks and round two like Maxi and Atroir or your Blake Miller on it, you know, either one of those two guys if they don't make it into round one, they'll be round two same with Caden Proctor if he doesn't go round one he'll be early round two like none of those guys have a chance of making it to 57 or 60 so if you're you are going to get a tackle and you're going to use an early pick I'd rather you just do it in round one instead of
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know reaching on a guy in round two and then round three I mean you can maybe get good value but again you're looking at guys where I don't know it's like purely tools guys someone who's incredibly raw like I don't know I say a world out of Oregon Demetrius crown over out of Texas A&M and someone like that where the tools are there but they're not you know not all that great uh
49:27
[SPEAKER_01]: The little I basketball team is big.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's way out of the four.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where all the cheer is.
49:30
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
49:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, just on Lomu, as somebody again, the covers the big 12.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My show daily seven to 10 a.m.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although we did not have a show today, because we were traveling on to Indy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Big 12 today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm tuned into Big 12 studios.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The two best offensive linemen in the big 12 this last year were Caleb Lomu and Spencer Fanna.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're both at Utah, that was the best, you know, best offensive line to it.
49:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and those guys were the best all year, like their best preseason, their best all year, a great running game, like the quarterback, David Depp here, was helped out by the fact that the line was so good.
50:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, I think if you're going to go line, you know, 25s to do it, and if low moves there, I, you know, again, I'd rather go defense, but he's the best option.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think potentially more than I hit the, the, the Kid Ferris O state at that spot.
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