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What's Eating U?! S3 E5: Why Weight Loss Gets Harder in Midlife, Parasites & Hormones | Natalie Jill · What's Eating U?!

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  Sam: Ooh, we're talking, talking about what's the u.
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  Sam: Talking about what's D U.
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  Sam: Proudly brought to you by Rogers Hood Apothecary.
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  Kim: Hi guys.
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  Kim: Sam and I interviewed the amazing Natalie Jill, which is the episode you're about to watch.
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  Kim: But before you do, I want to share with you how honestly I was blown away by her knowledge about health and fat loss.
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  Kim: She's 55, but you would never guess it because she looks incredible.
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  Kim: Natalie helps women, specifically in their midlife like myself, explore ways to help with fat loss, especially if you've tried everything.
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  Kim: So I asked her to come and share her knowledge with our community.
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  Kim: She said yes.
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  Kim: On October 5th, Natalie will be hosting a free midlife masterclass for all of you to join.
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  Kim: Natalie Jill will show us how to go deeper in our health journeys and our weight loss journey.
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  Kim: If you feel like you've tried everything and your body isn't responding, this masterclass is for you.
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  Kim: I'm super excited because I'm also going to be there live with you guys.
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  Kim: You won't want to miss this.
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  Kim: It's absolutely free.
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  Kim: Click the link below and sign up to reserve your spot and to get more information to have power and knowledge behind your health journey.
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  Sam: What's up, What's Eating You fam?
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  Sam: Welcome back to another episode of What's Eating You.
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  Sam: We are your host Sam and Kim.
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  Sam: And we are serving you all of the health and wellness information and healing knowledge that you are hungry for.
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  Sam: Today we have an epic, super special guest that we cannot wait to introduce to you fitness goddess, podcaster, best-selling author, and health detective Natalie Jill.
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  Sam: She has built a global community of over 3 million people, a podcast with over 500 episodes, all while redefining what it means to age gracefully and thrive in your health, midlife and beyond.
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  Sam: Natalie Jill, welcome to What's Eating You.
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  Sam: I can't wait to talk.
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  Sam: I'm so happy to be here.
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  Sam: We're so excited.
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  Sam: We're so happy to have you.
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  Sam: Yeah.
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  Sam: We would love to dive into your journey.
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  Sam: Honestly.
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  Natalie Jill: When you say guru, because to me, I'm just like everybody else.
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  Natalie Jill: I'm I'm literally just like everybody else.
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  Natalie Jill: The difference is I have a big mouth.
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  Natalie Jill: So as I learn things and I walk-that around here.
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  Natalie Jill: But as I'm walking through things and learning them, I share.
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  Natalie Jill: I mean, I just I think I've been doing that since elementary school when I would get in trouble for talking too much, you know?
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  Natalie Jill: Whatever I'm walking through, I want to share.
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  Natalie Jill: So it's interesting when you say fitness guru, I don't think of myself as that.
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  Natalie Jill: I maybe at one time I appeared that way.
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  Natalie Jill: And that was because I had walked through my own major setbacks almost two decades ago.
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  Natalie Jill: And in that time, it was fitness and nutrition initially that saved and changed me.
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  Natalie Jill: And when that changed me, I brought people along with me.
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  Natalie Jill: And a lot of women found me in that era when I was a brand new mom, when I had lost my way, and that evolved into fitness at the beginning.
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  Sam: That's so beautiful.
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  Sam: And I actually personally relate totally because fitness and nutrition completely changed my life as well.
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  Sam: And I read that that happened in your late 30s.
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  Natalie Jill: Yeah, so I was in my mid-30s when I had my daughter.
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  Natalie Jill: Um, and at that time, this was back in 2007.
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  Natalie Jill: So this is right before the whole economy had changed.
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  Natalie Jill: The housing market had crashed, which what does it have to do with anything?
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  Natalie Jill: But I'm gonna share.
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  Natalie Jill: I had come from a place of being in corporate America.
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  Natalie Jill: I was not doing anything with health or fitness.
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  Natalie Jill: That was not who I was.
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  Natalie Jill: I was a new married, a newly married, now becoming a single mom because I had just had my daughter and I was going through major postpartum depression.
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  Natalie Jill: I had gained a ton of weight, 60 pounds when pregnant.
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  Natalie Jill: I'm only five foot two.
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  Natalie Jill: So that's a lot.
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  Natalie Jill: I remember saying, does the placenta weigh six like 50 pounds?
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  Natalie Jill: Because she was only six pounds.
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  Natalie Jill: I was like, what is this?
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  Natalie Jill: But I had postpartum depression.
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  Natalie Jill: I was getting a divorce, the housing market was crashing.
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  Natalie Jill: I was losing everything I knew.
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  Natalie Jill: I was losing my house.
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  Natalie Jill: And it was the first time in my life I was in massive, massive debt and self-beat up and depression.
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  Natalie Jill: And I spent about four months in just this really dark place.
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  Natalie Jill: And it was Facebook.
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  Natalie Jill: Facebook was brand new around that time.
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  Natalie Jill: I was on Facebook and I had, you know, like my 100 high school friends.
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  Natalie Jill: That was it.
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  Natalie Jill: And I remember chiming in there and saying, I'm in a not amazing place.
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  Natalie Jill: I don't know exactly what I wrote, but I said, I'm gonna start sharing here what I'm doing to turn this around.
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  Natalie Jill: And I'm gonna post here for accountability.
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  Natalie Jill: And that was really what started to change things for me.
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  Natalie Jill: Now, there's a lot more to that story.
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  Natalie Jill: There's of how that happened, how I made a decision, how I started picturing a different vision for myself and really diving into mindset work without even really knowing it was mindset work.
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  Natalie Jill: But it was that sharing on social media, which was still at the time social media.
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  Natalie Jill: It wasn't social marketing world, it was just social media.
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  Natalie Jill: I was sharing that I'm sharing here for accountability.
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  Natalie Jill: And as I was sharing and my body was changing and my life was changing, women started raising their hand and saying, Well, show me what you're doing.
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  Natalie Jill: Show me what you're doing.
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  Natalie Jill: So my very first product was I made a digital recipe book.
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  Natalie Jill: It was like my Blackberry phone.
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  Natalie Jill: I didn't know what the heck I was doing, but I took pictures of my food, I made it into a recipe book, and I remember putting it on social media on Facebook and saying, Okay, well, this is what I'm eating.
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  Natalie Jill: It was like $12.
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  Natalie Jill: And people would send me a PayPal of $12 and I would send them the PDF.
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  Natalie Jill: And that's how it sort of started.
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  Natalie Jill: And that spiraled into, well, how did you do this to lose weight?
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  Natalie Jill: And I wrote something at the time that was called seven-day jump start that's now a best-selling book in stores.
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  Natalie Jill: Wow.
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  Natalie Jill: And it's since had many different versions of it, but it changed my whole life and it changed many other people's lives.
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  Natalie Jill: So that's how the fitness and the nutrition started.
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  Natalie Jill: Yeah.
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  Kim: Now you did like videos too, right?
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  Kim: You got into showing people how to exercise.
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  Natalie Jill: After I showed them how to eat, you know, and as I was learning how to eat, I became a licensed master sports nutritionist.
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  Natalie Jill: I was learning for myself and sharing with others.
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  Natalie Jill: So as that was happening, the next question was then, well, how do you work out?
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  Natalie Jill: So I kept building these things from there.
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  Natalie Jill: And so it was really funny when I was initially recognized as one of these top fitness influencers.
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  Natalie Jill: And I'm thinking, well, I'm just like everybody else.
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  Natalie Jill: The difference was I was just sharing.
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  Natalie Jill: Yeah.
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  Natalie Jill: And I was sharing authentically because I didn't know how else to be.
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  Natalie Jill: I mean, I didn't know how to market, I didn't understand internet marketing.
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  Natalie Jill: Yeah.
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  Natalie Jill: In this world, you were at the forefront of that.
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  Natalie Jill: That's awesome.
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  Natalie Jill: I didn't even know what an ebook was initially.
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  Natalie Jill: I was like one of the first ebooks.
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  Natalie Jill: So so when it was a lot of good timing that met my determination and it changed my life and it started changing women.
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  Natalie Jill: So then back when DVDs were a thing, we were at the end of the era with DVDs, but I made fitness DVDs and quickly ended up on the cover of a bunch of magazines in my early all the way to late 40s.
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  Natalie Jill: So that was kind of the fitness journey, which is I think now I've I wouldn't define that's what I do now, but that is how that journey all started.
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  Sam: I also love when this happened because that is like such a testament to a what is age then?
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  Sam: Yeah and like what do you mean?
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  Sam: Like as you grow grow older, that doesn't mean you get worse.
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  Sam: You can always get better.
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  Sam: And at any point, it's never too late.
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  Sam: I mean, a transformation at that stage in your life and after being a new mom and all of the challenges you went through.
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  Sam: But to be honest, that whole entire scenario just sounds like a recipe for a catalyst to a transformation anyway.
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  Sam: Like your whole life had to burn down so you could rise from the ashes.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to remind myself of that when I have setbacks now because that was the biggest setback I'd ever had.
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  Speaker 1: Like I had, I grew up a very, I don't know what the right word is, but I a very comfortable life.
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  Speaker 1: Like I have, did I have things happen that other kids had?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I had, I wouldn't have a perfect life, but I didn't really understand depression.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't understand financial problems.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't understand any of that.
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  Speaker 1: So that happening to me needed to happen.
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  Speaker 1: It was like a it like knocked me off.
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  Speaker 1: It knocked me into reality.
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  Speaker 1: And it changed who I am and it taught me a lot.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm very grateful for that.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be who I was if it wasn't for that.
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  Speaker 1: Now, since then I've had many setbacks.
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  Speaker 1: Not maybe as ginormous as that one, but I have to always remind myself, okay, you got through one of the toughest things.
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  Speaker 1: I was literally $1.4 million in debt.
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  Speaker 1: Like that sounds like what?
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  Speaker 1: How did that happen?
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: It happened a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 1: It happened because I got caught up in the housing.
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  Speaker 1: I had bought a condo.
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  Speaker 1: I was smart.
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  Speaker 1: I put the 20% down and that appreciated.
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  Speaker 1: I kept like, we were told like invest in houses.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I did a lot of things that were considered smart that ended up not being smart.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: So my credit report literally said I was $1.4 million in debt at one point, and I was turned down on my credit card.
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  Speaker 1: I had my I had my mom co-sign an apartment for me, or at least not a little house, after I was getting a divorce.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot happening that I'm glad I walked through because it it really taught me a lot about resilience.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like now when things come, I'm like just like kind of like bring it, you know, like let's.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't feel it and I get into my woes, but it's okay, you're gonna you're gonna figure this out and get through it.
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  Speaker 1: It puts things into perspective.
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  Kim: What was the moment that was the turning point for you that you realized you need to invest in yourself?
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  Kim: Like you're down to the studs, yeah, and now you realize I need to turn that and invest in myself to pivot yourself to where you're at now.
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  Speaker 1: So I think every problem is actually a personal development problem.
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  Speaker 1: I just really believe that.
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  Speaker 1: Um, and I didn't know that then.
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  Speaker 1: Um, but I tell women all the time now that we have a choice every day.
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  Speaker 1: We can operate from circumstance and problem, or we can operate from solution and possibility.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a choice, literally every day, because at any given moment, I can list a whole bunch of bad circumstances and I can make you feel really sad for me if I wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: And I choose to not focus on those things.
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't, I'm not, I don't, I'm not gonna pay attention to those.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna focus on possibility, solution.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I don't have moments where I don't have that.
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  Speaker 1: I think we all do.
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  Speaker 1: The difference is how fast you shift out of it.
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  Speaker 1: So, what happened to me then is I was fully living in circumstance for a lot of good reasons.
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  Speaker 1: I was overweight, I was a new mom, I had postpartum depression, I was going through a divorce, I was losing my house, I was in debt, I had a gazillion reasons, and I had enrolled everybody around me on why my life sucks.
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  Speaker 1: And everyone's like, you're right, your life sucks, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I that's what I believed.
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  Speaker 1: And I had an intervention with myself, and it was a very specific moment.
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  Speaker 1: I was walking um with my baby and I had my two yellow lab dogs.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the one thing I would get outside and do every day.
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  Speaker 1: And I had the stroller and I'm walking, and I caught a glimpse of myself in these um windows that had like a mirror reflection looking back.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw myself, and I remember having this thought, I was 36, specifically 36.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, maybe they're right.
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  Speaker 1: Like maybe this is what happens.
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  Speaker 1: You get older, you have a baby, things just suck.
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  Speaker 1: Like, maybe that's what I thought.
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  Speaker 1: And something intervened with me.
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  Speaker 1: Like I had this other thought come in for a moment of like, what if there's another possibility?
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  Speaker 1: And it was just like a thought, but then your voice takes over.
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  Speaker 1: That, you know, I call it false, assume, truth takes over.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, you suck.
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  Speaker 1: It just like took over.
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  Speaker 1: So, but I just kept thinking, but what if?
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  Speaker 1: And I remember walking home that day going, but what if?
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  Speaker 1: And every time I would think, what if next question is how, and I kept stopping the how.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know the how, but I noticed that I would have this feeling of hope and excitement and possibility just from that question, what if?
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  Sam: Oh, I love this.
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  Speaker 1: So I got home and I turned on TV, and at the time, Oprah was on.
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  Speaker 1: So, and I loved Oprah.
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  Speaker 1: I turned it on and she's talking about vision and possibility.
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  Speaker 1: And she had a guest there, Lisa Nichols, who later, many years later, became my coach and friend.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, nice.
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  Speaker 1: I know them at this time.
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  Speaker 1: And they're talking and about vision and possibility and vision boards.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, so this is what we still had magazines.
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  Speaker 1: So I pulled out a bunch of magazines.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter was taking a nap, and I literally pulled out pictures of like anything that sparked an interest, like fit girls, the beach, like money, just anything that was like, and I put it on this board and I told myself that every day I was gonna look at this board and I called it a decision board, not a vision board.
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna look at this board and I might everything around me like is going to, I don't know if I can cuss, but going to share my own.
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  Speaker 1: It's like everything's falling apart.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna look at this board and I'm gonna imagine I'm the girl living on that board.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna ask myself, okay, if Natalie, if you're the girl living on that board, the fitness girl, the whatever, what would you need to do right now?
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  Speaker 1: Like, who would you have to be in this moment?
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  Speaker 1: What would you have to decide?
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  Speaker 1: And I kept doing that.
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  Speaker 1: And as wacky as that sounded, I kept doing it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's when I posted on Facebook and that's when I started sharing.
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  Speaker 1: And I would do things crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Like, for example, I was out of shape.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't fit, but I would, I'm the fit girl.
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  Speaker 1: What would I do?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would learn about nutrition.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'd go for a walk.
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  Speaker 1: Well, on the board, I'm living at the beach, so I'm gonna go walk at the beach.
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  Speaker 1: So I would drive to the beach and walk there.
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  Speaker 1: I pretended, I got delusional.
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  Speaker 1: And I tell people, you have to be delusional.
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  Sam: Love it.
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  Speaker 1: I got so crystal clear on my acting as if, and I decided and I knew at such a deep level that if I acted like that future version of me, I would have to become her.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I did.
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  Kim: That's amazing.
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  Kim: And that's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: When women come to me for fat loss now, because I what I do is a little different now, but this first stage is not nutrition or workout.
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  Speaker 1: It's mental.
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  Speaker 1: It is literally this piece.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you, I have got to get you to become a different version of you first, first, not at the people think that they're gonna make all these actions and changes and become this different version.
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  Speaker 1: They have it completely backwards.
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  Speaker 1: You have got to embody and become that person first, and then you start taking actions from that place and you become her.
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  Speaker 1: That part.
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  Kim: We would say you gotta fake it till you make it, and that's how we visualize in order for us to work as medical professionals, we would have to actually step in and act like we already knew what we were doing.
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  Speaker 1: See it till you be it.
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  Sam: Like that.
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  Sam: It just came through.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I remove the word fake only because I we have to totally I'd rather use the word delusional.
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  Speaker 1: Because you know, you know, everyone knows the delusional words is true.
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  Speaker 1: They just believe it.
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  Sam: You have to embody it though, and I totally relate to your story.
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  Sam: It's wild.
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  Sam: We have a lot of parallels.
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  Sam: Um, it happened way younger in my life, but I totally relate, and I think that's so beautiful.
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  Sam: I love that you also called it a decision board.
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  Sam: So many people stop right before the action so they can even think, they can manifest, they can envision, they can think all they want.
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  Sam: Action is the only thing that differentiates you from imagining it and being it.
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  Sam: Yeah, it's what do you do next, and it's what you do.
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  Sam: So the fact you you you called that decision, man.
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  Sam: By the way, I just want to say like so much respect because at that point, that has to be the hardest hole to crawl up out of and not just crawl up out of to survive, but actually rise up and thrive.
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  Sam: Yeah, it's so like admirable.
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  Sam: Um, especially at that age, because at that age, you already have lived so much life behind you that you have a lot of backlog and a lot of baggage and a lot of stuff.
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  Sam: So you were not only in a deficit in all these ways, but what's beautiful though is your spirit was always there and wisdom was able to pour through and you heard it and you took action on it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that.
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  Speaker 1: I will say people have goals a little backwards sometimes too, and this is just my opinion here, but I didn't in that time say, I'm gonna grow a big fat loss business, I'm gonna grow a big following, I'm gonna make I didn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't the goal.
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  Speaker 1: The goal was who do I wanna be?
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  Speaker 1: And that's the difference.
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  Speaker 1: So you first I was me first, like who am I going to be?
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  Speaker 1: And then what's gonna come from that is what creates.
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  Speaker 1: So, and I still do that now with goals.
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  Speaker 1: Like, well, who do I have to be?
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  Speaker 1: So I feel that things always work out with action, but if you create that foundation first, so I love that you brought up action like I did with the deciding.
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  Speaker 1: However, what people still do wrong is they act before building that foundation.
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  Speaker 1: And I noticed, like, even before we hit record on this podcast, you kind of grounded yourself.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what we have to do with everything.
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  Speaker 1: We it's a constant, what's my intention?
• 15:56
  Sam: Or like your Opal app, which I love.
• 15:58
  Sam: I'm gonna download right when we're done.
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  Sam: But just like that, she has an app on her phone that makes her drop in and breathe before she can mindlessly even get to an app to scroll and waste time.
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  Sam: It's such a just a conscious way of living.
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  Sam: It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: So, and I'll I put blocks like that on my life, every which direction.
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  Speaker 1: Like I cannot just do it, like you know how some you can take your cell phone and put it next to somebody and just exchange context.
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  Speaker 1: I can't do that on my phone.
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  Speaker 1: And part of it could be a security reason, but no, I like to I want to think before I'm giving someone my number.
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  Speaker 1: Like everything is teaching myself to be intentional and acting like the future version that I want.
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  Speaker 1: And this has played out so many times in my life because I'm not that same fitness girl.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not the same, I'm not that person I was there.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I I do very different things now and help people in very different ways, but that core still still still stays the same in anything I do with women specifically.
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  Speaker 1: It's how do I get you to see this future version of yourself first?
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  Speaker 1: And then I need to coach you from there because I refuse to coach into victim mentality.
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  Speaker 1: I will not meet somebody in their their broken state.
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  Speaker 1: I can understand and be compassionate, but I put that a service.
• 17:00
  Sam: All of the things you're showing up, but you're like, hey, you have to internally shift before we can do anything, or the change won't even last.
• 17:07
  Kim: It won't be real.
• 17:07
  Kim: It's really hard to not have a victim mentality, especially when you're learning something new.
• 17:12
  Kim: You do go back in and you're like, woe is me a lot when it comes to illness and not understanding.
• 17:17
  Kim: Oh, they didn't tell me, I didn't know.
• 17:20
  Kim: And so I think being able to shift that mindset for people and be more intentional and have a better understanding that like you should invest in you.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: The funny thing is, women love to challenge me on this all the time.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: So, like, I think of like women going through my program right now as we're recording this.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: There's always a couple in there.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: They're gonna, they are so convinced that they're gonna convince me why my stuff is not gonna work for them.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Like, it's not usually I know what I do works.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Like I know what I do, yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna stand for them.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: But there's always like, you'll get like the 2% that will say, Well, give me all the reasons.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: And it always starts with, I don't like to, I don't, I'm not the type of person who can, or I'm not, they have all these like false beliefs about themselves.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: These beliefs about themselves.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: But they will never enroll me in that because I am a sucky coach if I get enrolled into that.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: If I let you convince me that your problems are too big to be have a possibility, then how does that help you?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: It will never help you.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I will not say that.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I I can't stand when doctors give people a percentage.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Like what don't tell them you have a 50% chance of whatever.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Like, because people manifest that then.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: They'll stick that over you.
• 18:26
  Kim: Then they get stuck in it.
• 18:27
  Kim: Correct.
• 18:27
  Kim: And they can't get themselves out because they're really thinking that that's their only way is 50-50.
• 18:33
  Sam: Well, they identify with it.
• 18:34
  Sam: If you don't have a strong sense of self and identity internally, you will identify with these things.
• 18:41
  Sam: What I love about your style of coaching is you are an intentional life coach.
• 18:46
  Sam: So you are about all about intentional living, intentional being, intentional actions, intentional thoughts, intentional.
• 18:54
  Sam: It's all intentional, you know?
• 18:56
  Sam: And so that's really powerful.
• 18:58
  Sam: And again, coming back to your point of like you're you're like, it's hard in life, you know, to fall into that victim thing.
• 19:02
  Sam: And I totally get it.
• 19:03
  Sam: Every now and then my mind will try to revert back.
• 19:06
  Sam: But to me, a huge uh recipe is what am I ingesting?
• 19:11
  Sam: What am I digesting?
• 19:12
  Sam: What am I letting into my eye gates, my ear gates, my mouth?
• 19:15
  Sam: Who am I around?
• 19:16
  Sam: Do I reach out and get a coach like you to be a person of a voice in my life that is constantly only reflecting back to me the best?
• 19:25
  Sam: Or friends, family, people, energy, like it all feeds into it and all plays into it.
• 19:30
  Sam: So a lot of people, do you ever experience with any of your clients someone in life circumstances where like everything around them is supporting that lower self of theirs and you coach them how to like rise up out of that?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: So the first step is seeing it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Like, so it's interesting.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I'll I all the time will encounter conversations around, like what you just said, there's so many negative people, people are, and I'm and I'm always like, well, I that's not been my experience.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: But then I have to really think and realize it's not my experience now because I've curated very carefully who I let in my world.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Like I'm I stand in this belief, this is how I live.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: So I attract people now that believe in this.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: And anyone around me that doesn't do that, they get a less, they get the lessons from me.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: So my husband, for example, my husband is like Mr.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Security.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Like my husband, I call him a risk assessor.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Like, that's literally everything is like the risk of everything and the doomsday problem.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: My husband's a positive person, but he's always telling me like why something's not gonna work or the risk.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And he knows not to tell me that stuff anymore because if he does, he's gonna, I'm gonna Tony Robinson.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm gonna like whatever.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna start.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I just won't accept those things as my truth.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: So, my experience now is I have amazing women in my life.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I have amazing, I attract amazing business partners.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I attract all of that support in.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Because if someone is in my life that is not that, they don't have a lot of time in my life.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Like we move to acquaintance box.
• 20:51
  Sam: Like they're not right.
• 20:52
  Sam: Nobody has time or energy for any of that at all.
• 20:55
  Sam: No toxicity, no drama.
• 20:57
  Sam: No.
• 20:57
  Sam: I also attract all the best in my life too.
• 21:00
  Sam: And that's what I was saying.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: If you we're friends and you call me up and you're having a bad day, I'm not sure.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Totally different than living toxic.
• 21:06
  Kim: Yeah, right now you know that you'll be able to sit and talk with them because you built the foundation with your decision board on how to help build them up.
• 21:13
  Kim: And then it comes to a point where if they're not wanting to continue to build themselves up, then you do your best to navigate that with them.
• 21:21
  Kim: Yes.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: What's interesting is I I had um, I was on another podcast recently, and I just met this woman, really got to know her for the first time.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: We had been friends, like acquaintances over online for a while.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: But I had dinner with her and her husband, and she was she mentioned to me that she doesn't have a lot of people in her world that could talk about some of the things we were talking about.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And I thought about it for a minute.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, like all my friends, we talk about this stuff.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I just, and so I mentioned to I have a text thread of some of my really good girlfriends, and I said, This is so wild.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I had this conversation, and it just made me realize a lot of women, I wonder if they don't have this.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: And we all they all started sharing stories.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And I then realized, wow, we really are.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Living the work when we've attracted those right people.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: So you work, you work on changing yourself first.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: You can't worry about I can't change because all these people.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: You work on changing yourself and then people level up with you and you attract new people in.
• 22:12
  Sam: Man, you know, a huge key to what helps you rise up out of victimhood, out of those lower vibratory thoughts and beliefs about yourself and all of that.
• 22:21
  Sam: Exercise.
• 22:22
  Sam: Girl, it transformed my life.
• 22:25
  Sam: I changed the exercise before the food, actually.
• 22:28
  Sam: That's awesome.
• 22:29
  Sam: And man, it did, it pulled me up out of being asleep.
• 22:34
  Sam: It woke me up.
• 22:35
  Sam: It woke me up in life and it set me on fire.
• 22:38
  Sam: And I just was like, I wouldn't stop.
• 22:41
  Sam: I wouldn't let myself go one day without the first thing in the morning.
• 22:44
  Sam: That's amazing.
• 22:44
  Sam: Doing it because I knew it was a momentum thing.
• 22:47
  Sam: Yeah.
• 22:47
  Sam: And once you get in it and you feel what it feels like to have this strength and endurance from within, the cherries on top is what you look like.
• 22:57
  Sam: That's never the goal for me.
• 22:59
  Sam: It never was.
• 23:00
  Sam: It's always how I feel.
• 23:02
  Sam: Now I'm at a point in my life that I will start to feel physically bad, pain, like discomfort.
• 23:09
  Sam: The mental health part of it.
• 23:11
  Sam: Oh, the mental health is the biggest.
• 23:13
  Sam: I was gonna say that was a huge part of recipe of the beginning of the stage for you.
• 23:18
  Sam: Because if you started moving your body, I know it was waking you up.
• 23:21
  Sam: I know it was shaking the stuff off, shedding off the old.
• 23:24
  Sam: It was you were melting it all away, right?
• 23:27
  Sam: I know it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I love that you said that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Um, yes, and I think it's different for everybody.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: So, like for you, it was exercise.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: For somebody else, it might be the mindset piece.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: For somebody else, it might be looking at their friend group.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: For somebody else, it might be just getting out in nature every day.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: For somebody else, it might be nutrition.
• 23:45
  Kim: There was no physical way I could exercise.
• 23:47
  Kim: I mean, that's really where I was.
• 23:49
  Kim: I needed to add in different wellness pieces so to be able to get to a point where I could physically move my body that way.
• 23:56
  Kim: It was like the first time I remember walking around my property, I could only do four minutes.
• 24:01
  Kim: Yeah, right.
• 24:02
  Kim: And I would drop like a rock by this tree.
• 24:05
  Kim: That was an indication I did a full lap around my acre property.
• 24:09
  Kim: So it was really a mental thing for me.
• 24:11
  Kim: I remember sitting manifesting for like eight hours a day.
• 24:14
  Kim: And then I was able to bring in.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: So what you just said, it's interesting because now that when I worked in when I was attracting women around fitness, so in my late 30s, early 40s, all the way up to 50.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yes to that.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: The workout was such a big component.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I will say now, working with more midlife, I'm gonna be 55 this summer.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be 55.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: The women I work with now, I don't, I tell them they don't even have to do the workouts.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Like literally, I don't even want them starting with workouts because I want it is so important for me to get them in this mind state of who they can now be, like this different version of them.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Then we got to dial in nutrition, then we slowly work in movement, and then we have to do detect what I call detective work, which is like what you do.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Like we got to look at the gut, we got to look at parasites, we got to look at hormones, we got to look at all these different things because 55 is very different than 35.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And so it's a whole new set of rules.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Wow, I'm sure.
• 25:06
  Sam: Yeah.
• 25:06
  Sam: The thing is, is I know I spotlighted exercise because I do want to highlight it to our community because when you do get to a point you can move your body, please do.
• 25:17
  Sam: Yeah, right.
• 25:18
  Sam: Because it changes everything chemically.
• 25:20
  Sam: It's an actual hormonal chemical change within.
• 25:23
  Sam: But because you also do something hard, there's something in there.
• 25:27
  Sam: There's a an invisible reward that inside of yourself, it builds up confidence.
• 25:33
  Sam: It's a deeper level of confidence and belief in self and self-trust and self-like it's like you know you can do hard things.
• 25:41
  Sam: So if you can move your body, please do because it's not the whole picture, but it's a big piece.
• 25:46
  Sam: And they all work together: the mindset, the meditation, the vision boards.
• 25:50
  Sam: At the time that I changed my life with exercise, I plastered hundreds of sticky notes all over my wall.
• 25:56
  Sam: And I didn't believe one of them when I wrote them, not one.
• 25:58
  Sam: Best shape of my life.
• 26:00
  Sam: No, I wasn't.
• 26:00
  Sam: None of the things, but every morning I'd wake up and I'd read them out loud.
• 26:04
  Sam: It was mine.
• 26:05
  Sam: I also did the vision one too with the magazines, but I would read them out loud with conviction and energy.
• 26:10
  Sam: Yeah, and I would give them that power, even though I wasn't any of the things.
• 26:13
  Sam: And within two months, I woke up and read them and I'm like, I am every single one of these.
• 26:19
  Sam: I became it, you know?
• 26:20
  Sam: So it's a big component in peace.
• 26:22
  Sam: Yeah.
• 26:22
  Sam: And I love talking about it because we've actually never had a guest or a topic about fitness before on feeding you.
• 26:29
  Sam: And it's a huge part of my life.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: So I just like No, I love that you shared that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I think movement, we have to move.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: We have to move to get energy out.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: We have to move to thrive.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: We have to move.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: We we should be outside moving too.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: So it's it absolutely is critical.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I guess my only point on that is everyone starts in a different place.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: So wherever you are starting, amazing.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Once we get over the humps, movement is critical.
• 26:53
  Sam: Yeah, it is.
• 26:54
  Sam: It really is.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Especially muscle building as we age, because when you look at longevity and how you're gonna age well, muscle.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Does that affect bone?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, it absolutely affects bone.
• 27:02
  Sam: In what way does it affect bone?
• 27:03
  Sam: And you being now a midlife guru, because we can say that, um, how does it affect uh women, men too?
• 27:10
  Sam: But as we age, how does that come into play?
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna have natural loss just in aging in general, but once you lose hormones, once you lose estrogen, for example, you're gonna have you can have more rapid loss in bone.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: And when we don't have muscle, we also have loss in bone.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: So you need muscle to be pulling to create bone.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So that's really critical.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Also, um, just in general, the more muscle you have, the more calories you burn at rest, the more functionally fit you're going to be when you have muscle, the less aches and pains you're gonna have.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: A lot of times when you have back pain, hip pain, you typically have underdeveloped glutes and leg muscles.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot there.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: The bone loss has gotten highlighted a lot lately, I think, with the with DEXTA scans being more popular and things like that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And is it a real issue?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Bone loss, it can be.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: If you have osteop, if you have the starts of problems, it doesn't mean you're necessarily gonna fracture and die that day.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: That's not what's sure.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, also.
• 28:11
  Sam: I think what's oscillopenia, yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: What's important is to recognize and prevent and then know if you do have the starts, you can reverse it by lifting weights, by adding specific foods, by taking certain supplements, and by doing things that we were taught not to do, which is interesting.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I grew up, I'm a generation Gen X, I grew up in this era of do low impact, which is just like horrible advice.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Like low impact, horrible advice.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: When you're low impact to protect to not have the pain, first of all, why are you having the pain?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: You should know that.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: What's the reason?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Second, without that that impact, that stomping, that you're you're not helping your bones.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: So when you go to an elliptical versus jumping, stomping, walking, running, that's not helping your bones at all.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: So low impact is not your friend.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Either is those big gushy, trendy shoes.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So when you wear those big, thick soled sneakers because they feel comfy or like clouds, you're not helping your bones either.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: So barefoot or flat shoes, stomping movement, and adding muscle, it's gonna all be critical for protecting your bones.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Wow, beautiful.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: The muscle part is so interesting to me.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: You said muscle needs to be pulling.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So the way that muscle, without getting too sure detailed here, but muscles attach ligaments to your bone.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: You need that pulling motion to keep your bones react from friction.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: So stomping, friction, pulling, okay, anything there.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: When you're not doing that, think of like a little kid.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: If we were in a two-level helmet and a kid there's a kid above us, we'd hear stomping.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Like think how kids walk.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: We'd as adults don't do that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: So it's all light footed.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: We've got to actually be doing those types of movements to think of bones.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: So heavy lifting, um, stomping, jumping, all stepping off of things, those are all things that are gonna help impact push and pull.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Push and pull.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Push and pull.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 29:51
  Kim: So the resistance.
• 29:52
  Kim: Yeah.
• 29:52
  Kim: Yes.
• 29:52
  Kim: You want to have resistance.
• 29:53
  Kim: We want progressive overload.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: You want progressive overload, which just means basically you're progressively making it more challenging.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: You're going a little bit heavier.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I, for many, many years, when I had DVDs, would teach body weight because that's what I was teaching.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I've switched that.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Like I still think body weight's a great place to start, but I want to build muscle as I'm aging.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm I'm now really have pivoted more to heavier weights because I want to grow things.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Now, I don't want women to mishear that and say, I've got to go lift as heavy as the influencer I saw on social media.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: You got to start from where you are and build up.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Always progression is critical for bone and muscle.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:30
  Kim: And you work with people to get them to that point.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I don't work one-on-one with people.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I do have, I have programs.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Like I have a progressive overload program for women.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I have a bone density program for women that they can download and do learn and do this themselves.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: But I also have communities.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Like I have my Total Body Thrive community where I teach women the whole series.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: They usually will come to me for fat loss.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: That's the overarching thing.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I need fat loss.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I don't feel good about myself.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: They come in for that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: What they don't realize when they come in for that is you're getting a whole personal development and health detective situation going on.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Because it's never just fat loss.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: You have a holistic approach with a W.
• 31:03
  Sam: Holistic.
• 31:04
  Sam: That's how you approach everyone and everything.
• 31:07
  Sam: I love that.
• 31:08
  Kim: I love the health detective.
• 31:09
  Kim: I love that.
• 31:10
  Kim: Like you have to be your own.
• 31:12
  Kim: Yes.
• 31:13
  Kim: I say advocate, but I like the health detective.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, we are all a unique science experiment of one.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: We are all bioindividual.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: There's not a one size fits all for everything.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Now, I was that person who really believed for many years, if we all eat this specific way and we do, I don't believe that anymore.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: So did I, yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I what I know now to be true after going through so many of my own health setbacks.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: It took me having massive setbacks, by the way, in my 50s to like really get clear about this.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: But we are more than just the nutrition and workout.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: You can't mindset nutrition and work out your way all the way up into your 80s and 90s.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Like there's a little bit more to it than that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: So, and it's not just one thing, I call it one thingitis.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: It's not just your hormones, it's not just your gut, it's not just anything.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: There's no just whatever.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And there's no one pill to fix it all.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 31:58
  Kim: You have to maneuver through it all.
• 31:59
  Kim: You have to know at the time and have guidance.
• 32:02
  Kim: And it's not just parasites, it's not just the chronic illness.
• 32:07
  Kim: It's just things.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: It's in the right order.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: So when women come to me, um, it's we the first space that we're gonna spend time in is who are you who do you want to be?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Like, and I and some women never can get to that.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be real.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And those are the ones that will never like my coaching.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Like if they're if they're not willing to go there, and those are the ones that will say, I'm trying, I've tried everything.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: You haven't tried everything because you're not letting you're not letting me go there with me.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: You gotta go.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I also just hate that word.
• 32:33
  Sam: I think try hangs out with hope, wish, wait, want.
• 32:35
  Sam: Yeah, I think they all are time wasters and they're all just um putting space in between you and the things.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: If I can get you to fully see the future version of you and you can take action, you will become her.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: And I know that with absolute certainty.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Like I don't have a doubt in my mind.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: And that is the biggest roadblock for women first.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: So we get you there first.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Only once we're there do we dive into nutrition.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And I reset everyone on nutrition.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: And my rules are on nutrition are very simple.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: It's unprocessed natural real food, majority of the time.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Uh know what we're eating.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Um and then I obviously I teach portions and categories and all that, but I'm not a fan of calorie counting.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of extreme restriction of any sort.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: And then once we get through that, we go into what I call detective work.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: And detective work is we've got to look at gut, we've got to clean up the gut, as you guys are very aware of.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: That's number one priority because it doesn't matter what we do with your thyroid, your hormones, your if you if you've got leaky gut and parasites and problems there, we're gonna have problems.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I also think it's important to look at oral biome, because those are connected, highly connected.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So there's a whole series of things you walk through.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: So it's never just I'm gonna go to the doctor and get hormones.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Hormones are amazing.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I love hormone replacement.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: But if you don't dial in these other things and become knowledgeable and become your own health detective, you're gonna have a problem.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing that is not glamorous, that's not easy.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: If I want to make a lot of money, I shouldn't tell women I want to you to be a health detective.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: They don't want to be that.
• 33:57
  Kim: They want you to do it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Here's the pill, here's the plan.
• 34:00
  Sam: Yeah, there's dirty work in it.
• 34:01
  Sam: You got to get your hands dirty.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't work if you don't, it keeps you're gonna keep having problems.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: So I guide women through this because it's that important.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And what's so funny is we will become the expert on a reality TV star or the trend, the new trend, or whatever it is, but we're not willing to go there with our bodies.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: You have you can't look away, you can't just think a doctor in a 15-minute appointment is gonna have all the answers for you.
• 34:24
  Kim: Right.
• 34:24
  Kim: And you don't even get 15 minutes anymore, and you don't even know how much lack of prep they had at the beginning.
• 34:30
  Kim: I think that we've been indoctrinated to think that self-care is selfish.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, totally.
• 34:35
  Kim: And that's what people think when they're going to invest in themselves is I'm being selfish.
• 34:41
  Kim: What will people think of me?
• 34:42
  Kim: Well, what will people think of you if you're not healthy and around?
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: What's not hard to do if you'll go there is to visualize something different.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You don't have to make that you.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: It's that's not like I'm not telling you to go back to your childhood and and correct your trauma.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: That's not that would be hard.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I got that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is let's play pretend for a minute.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: And if you could wave a magic wand, if anything was possible, and it's to ask that like 10 times.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, but if it was.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: That's that what if that you started with.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: But what if?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: But what if it's possible?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: What would that look like?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, what if it's not if it's not possible for you?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Would it what would it be possible for your friend?
• 35:18
  Sam: Would it be possible for that stranger?
• 35:19
  Sam: And I bet you they can always see it clear like that when you go, oh yeah, yeah, my friend could totally do that.
• 35:24
  Sam: Oh yeah, my daughter could totally do that.
• 35:25
  Sam: Yeah, especially if you say somebody's kid, like your daughter, they're gonna always because they believe the best in them.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: So we have to start there.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: So it's quite the opposite of going within.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: It's more um, how do I get you to see a different vision?
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Now, a lot of women, it it depends where they're coming from.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: So if if a woman comes from the place of at one time they were healthy and fit, they seem to have an easier time visioning that because they experienced it once.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: If they've never experienced it, that's where it's a little bit harder sometimes because they they they don't even know what that's like.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: So that's a little bit more work, but it's very possible.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: But my question back is how bad do you want it?
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Because if you want it, and this is usually the women saying they're having the hardest time or the ones that said they tried everything.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: You then you haven't tried everything because this is what works.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: You can change your whole life by changing how you see yourself.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: There's a movie that I absolutely love.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: It's a chick-flick movie with Amy Schumer.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've maybe if you haven't seen it, you have to see it.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Um, I feel pretty.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Have you heard of it?
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: But the premise of that movie was I it's like one of my favorite movies because she's in a spin class and you see her going in and she's feeling like frumpy and overweight.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: You can feel all the things she's feeling and self-conscious, and she's feeling this.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: And she bumps her head in the class and she falls, and she wakes up in the locker room and everyone's around her.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: And are you okay?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Are you okay?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: She gets up, she looks in the mirror, and she sees now a supermodel.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: So she doesn't see who she actually is.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: She now sees a supermodel, and she's like, Wow, I'm like looking good.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And her whole life changes.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Everything.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Her whole life changes just because how she sees herself.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And that's my whole point here.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: And it's so true.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: We all know you, everybody listening to this can think of an example of somebody that they think is delusional.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Like, wait, how did they create all this?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Like, have they seen themselves?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I was that person becoming a fitness model in my late 30s.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I had friends like more to they were like, that's embarrassing.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you who in their you're in your late 30s, you're in your 40s.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I was on, I was on my final cover and I was 49 years old.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Wow, girl.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I don't, I never occurred to me it's not possible.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Like, so when you start envisioning a different version for yourself, that's amazing.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I had a friend tell me the other day, and I just did this.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: She said, Let's use AI in a cool way.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: She goes, Go on AI and create a picture of yourself at age 80.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: And start print that picture out and start doing things for her.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: So we both did it.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: She prints out this like old haggard-looking 80-year-old for her.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, mine was like glamo.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, hot, she's wearing heels, she's looking good.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Because I gave my AI instructions.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, I want to look the best.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I want you to make me 80, but I'm like looking, I'm rocking it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like the fittest I've ever been.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Don't give me gray hair.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I don't want gray.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm no not against gray hair for whoever wants it, but for me, I was like, don't give me gray hair.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I still want heels.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I want to look cute.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Make me 80, but I want to look the best possible 80.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Like, why did we make it such a different version there?
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: You know, that's first.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: But it was such a brilliant idea because I can look at that picture now and say, I'm making decisions for her right now.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: So we can absolutely become that person.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: We have to get rigorous about deciding that that's who we are.
• 38:38
  Sam: So beautiful.
• 38:39
  Sam: That's really good.
• 38:40
  Sam: I love that you touched on preventative earlier and people like this, even like thinking of your future self, right?
• 38:46
  Sam: And what you do now for that.
• 38:48
  Sam: And it we do that all the time with parasite cleansing.
• 38:51
  Sam: We're big into preventative maintenance.
• 38:54
  Sam: That's amazing.
• 38:54
  Sam: And so a big part of that is thinking about your future self and setting your future self up for success.
• 39:00
  Sam: You're heading there anyway, you know, you might as well be intentional.
• 39:03
  Sam: Yes.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: But that's the that's the breakthrough for people because I can give you the best nutrition to follow, the best workout, the best, and I believe all that stuff is important, but it's not as important as this piece.
• 39:13
  Kim: What do you feel your biggest pivotal moment since the time that you kind of went viral in your age of the Facebook to where you're at now with your health journey?
• 39:22
  Kim: Especially you said later in your 50s that you've had some health challenges.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: So in my early 50s, I started having midlife creep up on me.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: So meaning I was my hormones were dipping.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I started gaining a little bit of extra.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't look, I did not look overweight to anybody.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Nobody would have thought, but I started, I was, I became less ripped and Adly, like less the eight-pack ab girl and more just walking into midlife.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: And I started having some health challenges.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Like nothing major.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: It kind of trickled in a little bit at a time, like foggy head, tired, hormone dips, feeling puffy is the way I would describe.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I would say puffy, bloated.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I started having a blood sugar dysregulation.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I started having like just sort of these things pile up.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't understand then about toxic load.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what that meant.
• 40:08
  Kim: Will you explain what toxic load means?
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Toxic load means that we're all exposed to toxins every day.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Every single one of us is around mold.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: We're around metal.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: We have maybe you get breast implants, maybe you have a root canal.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's toxins in every way, shape, our cosmetics, our hair, whatever.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: There's a bucket that can overflow with that.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: And if you are overflowing with the toxics, you will start having breakdowns in your body.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Some people, they'll never feel a thing.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: They're they're fine.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: They don't have the when you are a midlife woman.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: A lot of these toxins have piled up over the years.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Glyphosate, all of it, it just piles up.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: No one thing on its own is necessarily tip, but the one thing could be tipping it over.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: So I had a lot of things that I just chalked up to menopause, perimenopause.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I went on hormone replacement.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I started dieting harder.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: You know, I started getting away from a lot of my beliefs.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Like I started going back into that kind of that dark place of maybe I'm wrong.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: You know, like maybe it's not, maybe it's and I didn't really understand the health detective thing at all.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I only knew nutrition workout mindset.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: But I thought, well, I can't mindset myself out of this right now.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I can't eat any stricter.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I can't work out any harder.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I don't have the energy to do it.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: So hormones aren't helping.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: So what's left?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And it sent me down a whole spiral.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: There's so much to it, but it started with gut learning that I had um parasites, that I had a dis gut dysbiosis and cleaning that up.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: And then there was a question from my friend who had helped me with that with something's feeding it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Like, what is feeding?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: You don't just get parasites that thrive, there's something else, which I then learned I had a ruptured breast implant.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I then learned I was in a house with black mold.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: So all these things started like so.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: As I started diving into cleaning these up and ultimately removed my implants.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: You did, which I learned was ruptured.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I explanted.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Good job, proud of you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Everything started kind of going back and I started seeing a light at the end of the tunnel, but it put me on this mission of like, what else?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: What else?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: So I then started getting hyper focused on blood work and everything else.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: And this is what brought me into sort of health detective mode, ultimately removing an old root canal, like just really cleaning things up.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Now, I am certainly not an all-natural girl.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Like I will never be granola Natalie, like I still color my hair.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I there's things I do, but it's about toxic load now.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what's important and like what's the order?
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: And the balance.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: And the balance.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: How are you offsetting it?
• 42:25
  Kim: We say like a 90-10, right?
• 42:27
  Kim: Because we really work hard to keep ourselves at that 90.
• 42:31
  Kim: And it's okay, we want to be 10.
• 42:33
  Kim: I will make 10.
• 42:34
  Kim: Yeah, I will want to be 10.
• 42:36
  Kim: Like I still do the 10% things because I just still want to be able to be so free.
• 42:41
  Kim: That's right.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I part of why I started my podcast, which is called Midlife Conversations, I pivoted to Midlife Conversations, is I was in this detective mode.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, I wanted to learn everything.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: So I just like I did with seven-day jumpstart and years ago on Facebook, I was doing the same thing again.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm learning about gut and hormones.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And so let me just interview.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And that that built a whole new direction of women wanting to learn these things too.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: So how do I do that now?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I would say it is that pretty much 90% rule.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Like 90% of what I do, like I'm aware of the water I drink.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I'm aware of a lot of things.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I still get my nails done.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, I still color my hair.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I still wear makeup.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Not all of it is like 100% natural.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: But I would say what I'm eating, what I'm around, how I'm cleansing, like all those things are really important to me.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I do all kinds of things.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I breathe hydrogen every night.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I do my infrared sauna.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Like there's I have a whole host of things.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I get out in natural sunlight.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I want to be in nature.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Heck, I live technically in Arizona right now, but I'm in California a lot because I need to be around nature and water and outside.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of components to being a detective.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: What works for me wouldn't necessarily work for everybody, but we all have to be that bioindividual health detective.
• 43:53
  Sam: Very intentional now.
• 43:54
  Sam: Yeah, very intentional.
• 43:55
  Sam: Intentional living.
• 43:56
  Kim: We have to do it for ourselves.
• 43:57
  Kim: The self care is not selfish.
• 43:59
  Kim: That's right.
• 43:59
  Kim: Right.
• 44:00
  Kim: It really is something that we need to take pride in because you can't give to others if you're not capable of giving to yourself.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I think it's selfish to not take care of yourself.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I think so too.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: And you know, my my dad was like my most important person in my life.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: He died when he was 49.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So I'm 55.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: He died at 49 of a heart attack.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: And my dad, he didn't drink, he didn't smoke, he had visceral fat.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: He had that pot belly stomach.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And I used to be like, Dad, let come to the gym with me.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Dad, let me teach you how to eat.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Even in my twenties, you know, I was in my early 20s.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: And he was always too busy.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: It was always like, well, work's important.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: You know, everything else is important.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: And he died.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: And to me, I'm like, yes, I miss my dad.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It's awful.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And I think it was a little selfish.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be real.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Like, I I mean, he never got to meet my daughter.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: He's never got to meet any of his grandkids.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: He never got to meet my husband.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: He never got to see me grow up.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: He left my mom.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Like I think it's I think we need to think about that.
• 44:58
  Kim: Yeah.
• 44:58
  Kim: You know, like it's not enough that you want to stick around longer.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: People can come at me all they want.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: My dad would say, tell the truth, you know, like it's true.
• 45:06
  Sam: I think that reframe is actually everything.
• 45:09
  Sam: Yeah.
• 45:09
  Sam: Uh it's selfish to not take care of yourself.
• 45:12
  Sam: I love that.
• 45:12
  Kim: Because I'm seeing it like with my my parents right now.
• 45:15
  Kim: They're at the we're similar age, and I'm seeing them taking care of themselves, and it's so amazing to me.
• 45:22
  Kim: How do you navigate that when you're not healthy and you're not showing up and you're really trying to help yourself while showing them?
• 45:30
  Kim: That's the thing, is we're like literally standing in front of people showing them how they can be.
• 45:37
  Kim: That's their visualization, that's their intention.
• 45:40
  Kim: And so when you're not able to show up for yourself, how can you show up for other people?
• 45:46
  Kim: And I literally do that every day.
• 45:48
  Kim: I think about that.
• 45:48
  Kim: Like I have to show up for myself because I have so many people relying on me to show up, you know?
• 45:54
  Kim: And how can I be the best version of myself and not beat myself up when I'm not the best version of myself?
• 46:01
  Kim: Because it's really hard.
• 46:03
  Kim: And it's really hard when you have like chronic illness.
• 46:06
  Kim: That I didn't even think about this until a couple weeks ago when I was on an Austin podcast, and the girl said she had never had intrusive thoughts a day in her life.
• 46:17
  Kim: She got bit by a tick, and two weeks later she was in the emergency room with intrusive thoughts.
• 46:21
  Kim: And so that's not giving someone an out, but that's giving them an understanding that their behavior could be from something else that they're unaware of, but they need to take a really good look in the mirror in order for them to fully understand that there is something else causing that, but they still need to show up for themselves to understand it.
• 46:41
  Kim: And I think that yeah, I needed to be validated.
• 46:44
  Kim: You needed to be validated, you need to be valid.
• 46:47
  Kim: Like that is what the human experience is is about full validation, right?
• 46:51
  Kim: And if you don't feel that, you're going to feel lost, and that then feeds into viruses, bacteria, mold, and parasites.
• 46:58
  Kim: And so it's really important to show up for yourself.
• 47:02
  Sam: Ooh, this brings me back full circle back to helping women uh change the way they see themselves, and that being your like first step, right?
• 47:11
  Sam: How do you go about it if they are overloaded with toxins and parasites and worms and all these low vibratory things that are making them see themselves lower than what they are?
• 47:21
  Sam: You know?
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: So I always tell women that during weeks, the beginning weeks of working, because my my method is eight weeks to like to really rewire and start thinking differently.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I always tell them I said 80% of you over the first three weeks are gonna have significant changes, which is true.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: You're gonna just those that big shift in your mindset, the big shift in nutrition is gonna change things for you.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: But there's 20% of you that we haven't even touched on the detective work yet.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: And that's your biggest part right there.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Because still, it is true that for many people, those beginning steps are the main things.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: But there's a good 20% that I see at least, and this I'm not saying the whole world, like but it that I see that we've got to uncover the detective piece.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: So we start with gut.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: No, I don't fix their gut for them.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I'm opening their mind up to the education around what could possibly be there so they could be asking the questions.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: So that's when the lot of these breakthroughs start happening because we get into let's look at gut, they're like, oh, yeah, that was the piece, or let's get into thyroid, that was the piece, let's get into hormones.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: So it's it's never just a one and done, but I'm teaching you how to go those layers and ask those questions so you can uncover and fix.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: How did you find out you had parasites?
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: A friend of mine, um, I had a blood sugar dysregulation, which really got my attention.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I am so good with nutrition and workouts.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this doesn't make sense.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I literally went full keto trying to get to the bottom of it.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: My blood sugar was skyrocketing all over the place.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: It would go really high, really low.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I ended up in the hospital, I ended up in a CAT scan.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I was in the hospital for two days.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: They could not figure it out.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: We thought it was something in my pancreas.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: We didn't know what was going on.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: And a friend of mine kept saying, my friend Laura, I call her the gut genie.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: She kept saying, Um, you know, parasites can do that.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And I was like, You're what are you talking about?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I'm so healthy.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing all the things.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: We're in an undeveloped country.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Like, what are you talking about?
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Like I thought she was crazy, but I was desperate.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: So we did, she was like, Well, we're gonna test not guess.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: So I'll prove it to you.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: We did a test.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Guess we did a like a stool tap a test.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: It was GI mapping, and it literally showed up on there that I had parasites.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: So I was like, she was like, Thank God it showed.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: She's because sometimes it doesn't show.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I know that's what we know.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: So I did like, I went through an entire protocol before I knew about it.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't know about your protocol at all.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I went through an entire protocol and instantly was feeling better and different, and she wouldn't let me stop.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: She said, Okay, but what was feeding them?
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: We've got to look at something deeper.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: What was feeding them?
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: And that's what led me.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I then learned I had a ruptured breast implant, a gel implant that was never supposed to rupture.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I had had breast implants for 33 years, five steps.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: So remove that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: And I felt a lot better.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I found out my house had black mold, moved out of the.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: So it was like it was they all live together.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: It was starting to go.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: So now I then I got it.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, and then she gives me the bad news.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Well, just so you know, it's never permanent.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Like you can, you can get ahead of it and you can feel but this is like your life.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: You have to be aware of this.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: So, and I'm grateful for that.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: But that really taught me to listen to my body.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: My husband jokes, he's like, How do you you know more medical stuff than anyone I've ever met?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: It's because I've lived through most of this and I've gotten very good at seeing this with other people.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: So I'll I can't help it now.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I meet somebody, and if I'm hearing what's going on, I I can usually pin down at least the start of things.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a very obvious, like it's this first.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't know yet.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: But I believe this is why it's so important, not just just think one other person's gonna fix you, but other people can help you.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: You have to learn yourself.
• 50:46
  Kim: That's really great.
• 50:47
  Kim: It's you have to do it, you have to show up for yourself.
• 50:50
  Kim: You really do.
• 50:51
  Kim: I'm so proud of you.
• 50:52
  Kim: The same girl navigating this, and it feels like you've navigated it really on your own and just been proactive.
• 51:00
  Kim: Every chance you've gotten to be able to do that.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I have had some amazing resourceful help along the way, but I will say that I orchestrated it.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: So, yes, I give so many people credit, but nobody just found me and gave me information.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: This was me being extra curious and saying, I've got to go deeper, I've got to learn, I've got to understand, how does this connect here?
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: And I'm constantly on it.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I'm constantly thinking, how does one think?
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I had blood work done recently and my MPO was high.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: And right away, okay, what is MPO?
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Means that's orobiome typically.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: That means infection.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I learned I had an infected root canal, I would have never known.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: So it's going, it's constantly being in that aware.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: And you can't, here's the analogy I want to give.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: If we walk by a really dirty body of water, it has trash, it has junk, it has yuck in it, and I throw another piece of trash in there, we don't know what's given at the eyesore.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: We don't know what's made it ugly or toxic because it's so trash anyway.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: But if I walk by a beautiful, crystal, clear, pristine body of water and I put one piece of trash in there, I know exactly what's giving at the eyesore.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: That's what I want for our bodies.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I want us to be such good health detectives that we go out to dinner and we're bloated the next day, we know exactly why.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: We're feeling off at the Airbnb we're renting.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: We know it's that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: That's how I want you to be.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: That's being a true health detective.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: So if you are not at that place where you understand that in your body, then you have things that we have to address.
• 52:20
  Kim: Yes.
• 52:20
  Kim: You want to connect your soul, reconnect your soul with your body so that you have your intuition and your gut and you listen to it.
• 52:28
  Kim: And in order to do that, you have to almost do like a full disconnect to have an understanding.
• 52:33
  Kim: Oh, this is how I go and reconnect all of these things back together.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: So you and I had a very different journey on how we got to that same place, which is interesting.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: And I, but I want to highlight it.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Your journey, from my understanding, you had to go outside of yourself.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Like you just said.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: For me, I had to peel back the layers one at a time and go.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: So we did it, we got to the same place, but we just did it differently.
• 52:53
  Kim: We just had to navigate it with what we had.
• 52:56
  Kim: Like I had all this knowledge, but the knowledge was wrong knowledge for what was really going on in my own body.
• 53:02
  Kim: And I didn't be my own health detective.
• 53:05
  Kim: Yeah.
• 53:05
  Kim: Natalie Jill, the health detective, because we're like the patient advocate over here, but like you gotta be your own health detective.
• 53:13
  Kim: You really do.
• 53:13
  Kim: I love that so much.
• 53:15
  Kim: I'm going to use it because it just helps highlight what you genuinely have to do to have a full understanding.
• 53:22
  Kim: Yeah.
• 53:22
  Kim: I'm so proud of you for X-planting.
• 53:25
  Kim: I'm so proud of you for really digging down deep and finding, even in your later times, even with all that knowledge, sometimes that can throw us off when we start to find other problems.
• 53:35
  Kim: I had a I had an infected root.
• 53:37
  Kim: I have four roots.
• 53:38
  Kim: They missed it for 15 years.
• 53:40
  Kim: So I've had a infected tooth in my face for 15 years.
• 53:45
  Kim: And I had to go through all my tools.
• 53:47
  Kim: Is this Lyme?
• 53:48
  Kim: Is this PTSD?
• 53:50
  Kim: Okay, it's none of those.
• 53:52
  Kim: All my tools that I was using weren't working.
• 53:55
  Kim: Why?
• 53:56
  Kim: And so I really had to go.
• 53:58
  Kim: I saw five dentists before we figured it out.
• 54:00
  Kim: And I sat in front of the dentist with the x-ray and I go, Oh my God, they missed a whole route.
• 54:06
  Kim: And then dentist goes, they really did.
• 54:09
  Sam: And if you weren't naturally a health detective, because see, we've been health detectives this whole time.
• 54:14
  Sam: We just didn't know it.
• 54:15
  Sam: Yeah.
• 54:15
  Sam: But if you weren't, you wouldn't have questioned that.
• 54:19
  Sam: Like that's when where so many people give their power away.
• 54:21
  Sam: Cause it's just like, oh, it's whatever they told me.
• 54:24
  Sam: Oh, they just told me this.
• 54:25
  Sam: So that's just what it is.
• 54:26
  Sam: Yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: And in my experience, most really good functional medicine practitioners or naturopaths, the ones that usually get banned online or whatever, they are help.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: They they went through their own health detective journey.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: And that's how they became so good at this.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: A lot of really well-meaning Western medicine doctors are just doing what they taught were taught.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: They don't know, but they haven't had their own massive setbacks.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: And when they do, they change.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Well, you heal yourself first.
• 54:53
  Kim: Not that I'm a doctor or a practitioner, but I had to go outside of my knowledge that I thought, oh, I know this.
• 54:59
  Kim: I wrote this, I studied this, I wrote national certifications on this.
• 55:03
  Kim: None of them and anything.
• 55:05
  Kim: Yeah.
• 55:05
  Kim: When it came to parasites, mold in lime, none of it meant anything.
• 55:08
  Sam: All powerful people who have a clear message to share with wisdom, they did it themselves first.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I posted uh a couple weeks ago about an oral biome, and I shared, I shared that I had I showed the hole in my mouth and said I had extracted.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: And one of the first things was on an oral biome.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: And I had all kinds of people chiming in, asking questions and interested in this.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: One girl chimes in and she says, Hi, 20 old, 20-year registered uh dental hygienist here, and you should take this down and delete it.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: You're giving this information.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: She like went on a whole rampage of all stuff that is complete ridiculous.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Like very familiar with the trolls, the trolls.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: When that happened, my initial human ego reaction was to basically tell her what an idiot she is.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Like that's what I want to do.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Of course, you know, like you're initially, yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: And then I kind of paused and I'm like, okay, I she's trying to help.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Like she's just trying to add value and help.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: She just doesn't know.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: And my friend Pedrum, who had written the book The Urban Monk, like he's very Zen-like, he chimes in and he writes, um, so many opinions, so little reading.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: That's all he wrote.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Oh snap.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: That's so interesting.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: But I have to like think I'm not gonna try to attack somebody back that that doesn't know.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: People, people genuinely are trying to help.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: They genuinely are trying to say, I know this is what I and then people share what they believe.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: And if you're taught, if she was taught that a root canal is healthier than extracting and putting a ceramic implant, that's what she believes.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to, I don't need, I'm not gonna win something.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: It's not a contest.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: So I think people are on their own individual journeys.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Um, but it is wild how many different opinions people have without really understanding why other people have different opinions.
• 56:45
  Kim: Science, medicine, like they don't always understand what also they think they know, but they just don't.
• 56:50
  Kim: That's right.
• 56:50
  Sam: Hey yeah, man, I've been having to check it lately.
• 56:52
  Sam: Your best friend back on me, man, because you're very biased.
• 56:56
  Sam: I'm like, you are.
• 56:57
  Sam: And I'm like, no.
• 56:58
  Sam: Well, yeah, they're suede.
• 57:00
  Kim: They're totally written by big tech, and so there's this persuasion that they're gonna do.
• 57:05
  Sam: I told it, I said, I know who owns you.
• 57:07
  Sam: Yeah, but man, your work, your work, your journey, your story, your spirit, honestly, your energy, your heart, your mind.
• 57:15
  Sam: Love the way your mind works.
• 57:17
  Sam: Um, but much respect to you and and and the work that you're doing.
• 57:21
  Sam: You're definitely helping not just women, all people, but I love that you're so focused on helping women at such a pivotal time in their lives, midlife, man.
• 57:31
  Sam: That is that's a turning point, you know.
• 57:33
  Sam: That's a moment where you decide like, who am I gonna be?
• 57:36
  Sam: And who is that 80-year-old version of me going to be?
• 57:39
  Sam: And it's the action and the decisions and the vision of my future self that I put in now that's going to produce that outcome.
• 57:45
  Sam: And for you to be such a guiding light for them, I think it's such a beautiful thing.
• 57:48
  Sam: Thank you.
• 57:49
  Sam: Living by example and out here, just yeah, spreading the word.
• 57:52
  Sam: I love that.
• 57:54
  Kim: Tell us where people can find you.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: My podcast is Midlife Conversations.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I'm on social media at Natalie Jill Fitz.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: And my website's Natalie Jill.com.
• 58:03
  Sam: Nice.
• 58:04
  Sam: And all of the um programs and things you offer, is that all on your website?
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Totalbodythrive.com is where I teach you how to be a health detective.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: So that if you if you're like, I want to go deep, that's the way to do it.
• 58:15
  Sam: Amazing.
• 58:15
  Sam: We will make sure to link everything in the description below.
• 58:18
  Sam: Definitely connect with Natalie.
• 58:20
  Sam: What a genuine, beautiful, pure, unique human.
• 58:23
  Sam: So grateful to have you on our podcast.
• 58:25
  Sam: Thank you for speaking so loud and having such a loud, big mouth.
• 58:28
  Sam: We love it your whole life long.
• 58:30
  Sam: It's working in your favor and it's working for so many other people too.
• 58:34
  Sam: So don't ever get quiet, girl.
• 58:35
  Sam: Thank you.
• 58:36
  Sam: Stay loud.
• 58:36
  Sam: Thank you.
• 58:37
  Sam: Thank you all for tuning in to another episode of What's Eating You.
• 58:40
  Sam: This has been such a special one.
• 58:42
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• 58:47
  Sam: You just never know how it can impact a life.
• 58:49
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• 58:51
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• 58:52
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• 58:53
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• 58:56
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• 59:01
  Sam: And until next time, we will see you soon.
• 59:03
  Sam: Bye.