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The DiCecco Daily: Examining Eagles Best Offseason Additions · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Everyone?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome into another episode of the check O'DII Andrew de Checko,
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  Speaker 2: Eagles beat reporter for insidethebirds dot Com. Today's podcast will
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  Speaker 2: be what I believe to be the eagles best offseason editions.
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  Speaker 2: But first, some housekeeping items. I get asked this seemingly
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  Speaker 2: every offseason, and I do appreciate it, but I'm always
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  Speaker 2: asked about dark horses. To keep an eye on in
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  Speaker 2: OTA's mandatory mini camp and training camp. I outline three players,
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  Speaker 2: two on defense, one on offense that I talked about
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  Speaker 2: on this podcast. I wrote about it on Inside the
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  Speaker 2: Birds dot com, So please go and check out those
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  Speaker 2: stories on Inside the Birds dot com. You can grab
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  Speaker 2: that podcast in the archives, and if you haven't already,
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  Speaker 2: be sure to check out the podcast that I did
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  Speaker 2: where I interviewed Javon Gopi who not only who are
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  Speaker 2: Bernard which was the central focus of the podcast. Joshua Wayrou,
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  Speaker 2: who the Eagles signed as an undrafted free agent, another
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  Speaker 2: ipp player from Kenya, offered some really interesting insight there.
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  Speaker 2: But he also trains Jonathan Grenard and he had some
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  Speaker 2: really intriguing things to say about Jonathan Garnard that should
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  Speaker 2: excite you if you're an Eagles fan listening, which I
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  Speaker 2: presume you are. But let's get to the offseason editions
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  Speaker 2: that I think were the Eagles best, and we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: start with the aforementioned Jonathan Gernard. Now, the Eagles had
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  Speaker 2: a really, really strong Day two because not only did
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  Speaker 2: they select tight end Eli Stours out of Vanderbilt with
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  Speaker 2: pick number fifty four, but shortly thereafter they execute a
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  Speaker 2: trade with the Minnesota Vikings to get Jonathan Garnard. They
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  Speaker 2: add the seventh round pick, which was made in mind
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  Speaker 2: to draft U R. Bernard to accumulate an extra pick
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  Speaker 2: to have that flexibility. But John Jan think Gernard I
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  Speaker 2: believe is one of the more underrated pass rushers in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. He has been for a number of years.
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  Speaker 2: Thirty eight career sacks, seventy seven games gives you a
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  Speaker 2: different type of skill set relative to jaywhen Phillips, who
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  Speaker 2: he's replacing, and he gives Eagles the top of the
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  Speaker 2: rotation pass rusher. Now, one of the biggest needs this
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  Speaker 2: offseason going into it, at least in my estimation, was
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  Speaker 2: pass rusher because you have Jay look Hunt, you have
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  Speaker 2: Nolan Smith and both players on their own are solid
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  Speaker 2: pass rushers that are sort of arrow up guys, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily view either player as a front line,
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  Speaker 2: top of the rotation pass rusher. But they go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and they get one in Jonathan Gernard, And what I
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  Speaker 2: like about him is that, yes, he's turning twenty nine
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  Speaker 2: years old in May, but he has a lot of
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  Speaker 2: football left, a lot of quality football left. And if
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  Speaker 2: you go back and listen to what Yvon Gopi had
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  Speaker 2: to say about Jonathan Gernard, that should have you really
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  Speaker 2: really intrigued with what he's going to provide in Philadelphia. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I think in Vic Fango's system, it's a good fit
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  Speaker 2: because not only.
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  Speaker 1: Do you need if you're the Eagles, to.
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  Speaker 2: Address the edge rusher position, but you also have to
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  Speaker 2: identify a player who's going to be a good fit.
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  Speaker 2: And I think with Johnathan Gernard body type, short area quickness,
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  Speaker 2: movement ability, he can drop in the coverage if you
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  Speaker 2: need him to. But he's going to take a lot
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  Speaker 2: of attention away from jay loox Hunt and Nolan Smith
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  Speaker 2: and allowed them to do what they did best when
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  Speaker 2: they acquired Jalen Phillips, and that is to go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and get after the quarterback without that extra attention. And
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  Speaker 2: so I look at what Johnathan Grenard can provide, and
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  Speaker 2: he is coming off a season in which he had
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  Speaker 2: the left shoulder injury limited him to twelve games, had
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  Speaker 2: three sacks. But if you look beyond those numbers, he
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  Speaker 2: was still impactful for the Vikings. But a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years ago he combined for if you're looking at the
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four seasons, he had
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  Speaker 2: twenty four and a half sacks, which.
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  Speaker 1: Was a bulk of his career production.
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  Speaker 2: But in Philadelphia, I think you're gonna find that Vic
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  Speaker 2: Vangio will will scheme around the strengths of his players,
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  Speaker 2: which he has done over his time in Philadelphia, and
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  Speaker 2: they needed a top of.
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  Speaker 1: The rotation pass rusher. I can't emphasize that enough.
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  Speaker 2: Grenard gives them that, and then it allows every other
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  Speaker 2: player in the rotation to slot in in which they're
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  Speaker 2: more ideally suited. So I've talked a lot about Grenard.
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  Speaker 2: It's a trade and a move that really is sort
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  Speaker 2: of under the radar a little bit because it happened
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  Speaker 2: on draft weekend. But if you zoom out a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: and you look at the production that he's had throughout
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  Speaker 2: his career, you don't have to squint to see the
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  Speaker 2: impact or envision that in Philadelphia. So I think that
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  Speaker 2: that is, without question the Eagles best. Now there's another
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  Speaker 2: one that I really liked and I still do like,
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  Speaker 2: and that is the Reek Woan.
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  Speaker 1: Edition, because he's sort of a.
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  Speaker 2: Mystery in the sense that he had his best year
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  Speaker 2: as a rookie and then he was inc instant during
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  Speaker 2: his time with the Seahawks, split some time there with
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  Speaker 2: Josh Joe, former Eagles corner, and so it's fair to
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  Speaker 2: wonder what version of Rik Wohan are the Eagles getting. Well,
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  Speaker 2: they're getting a twenty seven year old corner who is
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  Speaker 2: six foot four, two hundred plus pounds, moves really well,
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  Speaker 2: blistering speed, all the athleticism that you could possibly want.
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  Speaker 2: And he has a lot to gain personally signing a
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  Speaker 2: one year deal in Philadelphia because when he goes back
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  Speaker 2: to the table next offseason, whether he puts together a
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  Speaker 2: tremendous season in Philadelphia or whatever the case may be,
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  Speaker 2: he stands to benefit financially if he is able to
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  Speaker 2: have a good season. So availability's going to be key
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  Speaker 2: but also consistency. He's going to see a lot of
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  Speaker 2: passes thrown his way, but I think you like the
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  Speaker 2: length that he provides. It's really unique for a corner.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember seeing a corner with those type of dimensions.
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  Speaker 2: And playing opposite Quinna Mitchell and Cooper Degen, I think
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  Speaker 2: is going to be to fit him tremendously and tapping
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  Speaker 2: into the player that he was in his first season
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  Speaker 2: in Seattle. He knows that he needs to rein it
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  Speaker 2: in when it comes to demonstrating emotion and just have
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  Speaker 2: being a more aware and heads the type of player.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't have those concerns with them, but it's
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  Speaker 2: just about being consistent and what we've learned from Vic Vangil.
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  Speaker 2: If you are a player that is spotty when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to, you know, game by game consistency, you're not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily gonna jie with him, and if he can't trust
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  Speaker 2: you to put you on the field, it can lead
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  Speaker 2: to a turbulent tenure in Philadelphia. We're way too early
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  Speaker 2: for that, but it is important to highlight that that
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  Speaker 2: is the player largely that Riek Wollen has been during
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  Speaker 2: his time with Seattle. But you're bringing him into Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 2: where there's a much more sound structure I would imagine
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  Speaker 2: from a defensive back coach perspective with Joe Casper and
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  Speaker 2: you have Mike Pello Green know, so there's some new
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  Speaker 2: voices some younger coaches that I think from a relatability
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  Speaker 2: standpoint are really going to get their point across and
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  Speaker 2: be able to relate to those players. And I'm really
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  Speaker 2: curious to see where Rik Wollen sets in. But it's
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  Speaker 2: so important because the Eagles battled last season with inefficient
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  Speaker 2: play opposite Quinya Mitchell and Cooper dejen Whether that was
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  Speaker 2: a Dori Jackson who I thought was fine once he
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  Speaker 2: settled in, but Kieley Ringo clearly wasn't the answer there
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  Speaker 2: at corner. The Eagles tried him there and they've given
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  Speaker 2: him opportunities over the past few years, and he hasn't
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  Speaker 2: exactly taken the baton and run with it. So I
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  Speaker 2: think you have an idea of who kiey Ringo is.
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  Speaker 2: But that's why it's so important to bring someone in
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  Speaker 2: with this kind of profile in Rike Wohen and just
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  Speaker 2: trust that the player is going to be motivated, and
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  Speaker 2: trust that the developmental aspect of the Eagles and their
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff is going to get the most out of them.
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  Speaker 2: So I really like that addition because you're not exactly
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  Speaker 2: bringing him in to an organization that doesn't have that
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  Speaker 2: track record that just sort of collects free agents with
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  Speaker 2: the big names and you never really hear from them
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  Speaker 2: or they kind of fall on their face. They're bringing
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  Speaker 2: him into a lot of stability here in Philadelphia. The
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  Speaker 2: next player I want to talk about is one that
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  Speaker 2: I think is going to prove to be the eagles
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  Speaker 2: most underrated free agent addition, and that is cornerback Jonathan Jones.
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  Speaker 2: He's entering his eleventh season thirty two years old, so
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  Speaker 2: he's not someone that I view as a long term
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  Speaker 2: answer here. But he's played in one hundred and forty
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  Speaker 2: four games, started seventy eight, most of them with the
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  Speaker 2: New England Patriots, was with the Washington Commanders last season,
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  Speaker 2: played in twelve games. But I think what's most appealing
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  Speaker 2: about the Jonathan Jones edition is that he gives you
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  Speaker 2: an option off the bench that you feel comfortable with,
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  Speaker 2: because if you take him out of the equation, then
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  Speaker 2: you're relying on the Keeley Ringos, Jacoryan Bennett's and Mac
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  Speaker 2: McWilliams of the world to if anything happen weapons to
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  Speaker 2: the top three corners, they need to step Any of
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  Speaker 2: those guys would have to step in, and we've seen
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  Speaker 2: enough to cause some hesitation, apprehension, and reservations as to
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  Speaker 2: how they are going to fill in. But with Jonathan Jones,
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  Speaker 2: it's almost like Isaiah Rodgers, where you have someone who
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  Speaker 2: can play either cornerback spot. And I think to take
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  Speaker 2: this a step further, with Jonathan Jones, he can play nickel,
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  Speaker 2: he can play safety if you need him to.
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  Speaker 1: So he gives you versatility.
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  Speaker 2: And proven experience at multiple positions. So if he does
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  Speaker 2: need to step in for a game or two or three,
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  Speaker 2: you feel a lot more comfortable where you would be
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  Speaker 2: with him than maybe a Kilei Ringo or Jacoryan Bennett.
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  Speaker 2: And I can't say enough about the experience that he's
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  Speaker 2: coming in with. He's played in many big games in
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  Speaker 2: his career, and I think in Philadelphia will prove to
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  Speaker 2: be a really good fit and give that veteran presence
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  Speaker 2: in the room because it's a really young room. Aside
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  Speaker 2: from someone like Adriek Woman who is twenty seven years old.
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  Speaker 1: He's been in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: But he gives you that that stabilizing presence that's seen
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  Speaker 2: a lot, and I think that, you know, while the
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  Speaker 2: other players can learn from him, he can learn from
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  Speaker 2: them as well.
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  Speaker 1: It should help that he that he's played in different schemes.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know this is going to be so
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  Speaker 2: much of an acclamation process for him, but for me,
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  Speaker 2: I look at it, and he gives you a he's
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  Speaker 2: a proven entity. And without that, because the cornerback depth
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  Speaker 2: isn't exactly as strong as you might expect, you can't
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  Speaker 2: you can't sign all pros everywhere, and you can't have
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  Speaker 2: that kind of depth across the board. But you could
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  Speaker 2: do a far a lot worse. You can do a
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  Speaker 2: whole lot worse than a Jonathan Jones. So I think
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  Speaker 2: if you really look at their offseason additions and you
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  Speaker 2: try to see how these pieces fit into the overall equation,
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  Speaker 2: it's not hard to see the value there in a
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones. And then as far as retentions go, I
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  Speaker 2: think the Eagles' best retention you could say Dallas Goddard,
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  Speaker 2: and you could certainly say Braden Man as well. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna argue with you, but I think it's Fred
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  Speaker 2: Johnson because he comes back again for a one year deal.
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  Speaker 2: But you saw how important of a piece that he
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  Speaker 2: was to the roster when he had to step in
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  Speaker 2: and start nine games in the absence of Lane Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: Without Fred Johnson, you would be relying on Markel Bell,
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  Speaker 2: a rookie third round pick who's gonna take a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of time at least in my view, to acclimate.
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  Speaker 1: To the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: He needs to develop his play strength, he needs to
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  Speaker 2: master the technique, and that falls on Markel and offensive
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  Speaker 2: line coach Chris Cooper. But I still think he's a
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  Speaker 2: year away. You have two holdovers, and Miles Hinton and
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  Speaker 2: Cameron Williams, but I'm not sure that you would feel
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  Speaker 2: overly comfortable plugging either one of those guys in the
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  Speaker 2: lineup if injuries arise to either Jordan Malatta or Lane Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: But what Fred Johnson gives you is a player who
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  Speaker 2: started over twenty games in this league. I'm sure free
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: agency didn't pan out the way that he envisioned. He
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  Speaker 2: sought out a starting role, just like he did last offseason.
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  Speaker 2: There weren't any suitors, seemingly because he was on the
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  Speaker 2: market for a while and instead he returns to Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 2: a place where he's seen the most success in his career.
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  Speaker 1: He gives the Eagles a dependable swing tackle on game day.
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  Speaker 1: You know how he will fare if he needs to
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  Speaker 1: start some games.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously that won't be ideal, But it's not exactly like
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  Speaker 2: you're plugging in someone with no experience, where you have
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  Speaker 2: no idea if the offense will even be able to
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  Speaker 2: operate with a young player like that, as they're sort
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  Speaker 2: of learning on the job.
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  Speaker 3: All right, everybody, just a quick break to remind you
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  Speaker 2: But Fred Johnson, especially relative to what the Eagles are
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  Speaker 2: paying him, another savvy move, and you have to give
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  Speaker 2: credit to Fred Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: For all things being equal.
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  Speaker 2: You don't necessarily go to another team that you're not
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  Speaker 2: familiar with and just sort of banking on the fact
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  Speaker 2: that maybe they'll see enough in you to give you
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  Speaker 2: a starting spot. You go back to Philadelphia where you
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  Speaker 2: have had that success. You are familiar with the culture
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  Speaker 2: in the locker room, and you've done a lot of winning,
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  Speaker 2: and from the Eagles standpoint, you have a veteran tackle
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  Speaker 2: who I view among the best backup tackles in football.
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  Speaker 2: I think that there's probably a couple teams that he
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  Speaker 2: could start for and they're able to find a way
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  Speaker 2: to keep him in the building for at least another season.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of where my mind is. They've done
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  Speaker 2: some other thing that I really like this offseason. I'm
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  Speaker 2: excluding the draft picks. I'm solely talking about their offseason
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  Speaker 2: additions in free agency, and because of that, those are
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  Speaker 2: the ones that I sort of was poeing from, and
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  Speaker 2: I believe that those are the ones that really jump
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  Speaker 2: out to me because you can see the vision, you
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  Speaker 2: can see how they'll fit, and on the surface, I
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  Speaker 2: think that all of those moves were very sound, especially
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  Speaker 2: the Jonathan Gernard one, because you will soon see why
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  Speaker 2: you hear so many out there, including myself, that are
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  Speaker 2: bullish on Grenard. I think he's a better pass rusher
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  Speaker 2: than Jalen Phillips. Does he leave a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: to be desired when it comes to run defense, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: because Jalen Phillips is a bigger player, he was longer,
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  Speaker 2: and he gives you a little bit more in that capacity,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: but purely looking at it through the lens of pass
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: rush prowess.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Gernard offers that in spades.
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  Speaker 2: So with that, that is my episode here for to
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• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I'm Andrew de Checko and I'll catch you all on
• 18:01
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