Latest / The Inspired Stories Podcast / Solving America's Nursing Crisis: Shane Brown discusses NurseIO's AI-Powered Revolution
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- 0:04Welcome to another edition of the Inspired Stories podcast
- 0:08where leaders share their experiences so we can learn from
- 0:11their successes and be inspired by how they've overcome
- 0:14adversity. My name is Anthony Kotaspodi and
- 0:17today's guest is Shane Brown, the chief executive officer of
- 0:21Nurse IO. They are an app based technology
- 0:24platform that connects healthcare professionals with
- 0:28facilities seeking per diem staff.
- 0:31With a strong focus on freedom and flexibility, They empower
- 0:35nurses, Cnas, and other care providers to quickly locate
- 0:39shifts, pick convenient schedules, and earn income on
- 0:43their terms. Shane has extensive experience
- 0:47in medical device commercialization, having held
- 0:50leadership roles at Abbott Laboratories and Saint Jude
- 0:53Medical. Over the years, he has steered
- 0:56multiple organizations through mergers and acquisitions and
- 0:59help drive rapid revenue growth, even contributing to the IP OS
- 1:04of leading medical device companies.
- 1:07Known as a servant leader, Shane is passionate about creating
- 1:11innovative staffing solutions that empower healthcare workers
- 1:15and ensure patient care is never compromised.
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- 1:49benefits.com. All right, back to our guest
- 1:51today, the CEO of Nurse IO, Shane Brown.
- 1:55Thanks for making the time to Share your story today.
- 1:57Yeah. Glad to be here, Anthony.
- 1:59So Shane, before we talk about Nurse IO, how that came to be,
- 2:03how your opportunity to join the team came about, I want to
- 2:06understand a bit about your track record in medical device
- 2:11companies. You've had several notable
- 2:14roles, sales, business development, executive
- 2:17leadership at a number of medical device companies,
- 2:20including some that would go on to be acquired or go public.
- 2:25Is there a particular lesson from some of those high stakes
- 2:29moments of building these companies to significant scale
- 2:34that continues to influence how you operate in Business Today?
- 2:39Yeah, good question. I think the coming off the
- 2:42college campus I, it was, you know, a time when software was
- 2:47a, a big thing and and people were jumping into software,
- 2:50people were jumping into kind of business to business sales, all
- 2:53sorts of different things. What initially attracted me to
- 2:56healthcare broadly and medical device more narrowly was that
- 3:01hopefully you could do a little bit of good along the way.
- 3:04It wasn't just going to be a paycheck.
- 3:06And I think that Compass has served me well over the years.
- 3:10Like the medical device industry, the healthcare
- 3:12industry, the healthcare IT industry, digital health
- 3:16industry, They're all really bare knuckle fighting
- 3:20industries. There's a lot of good
- 3:21competitors. There's amazing technologies.
- 3:24But that kind of North Star has helped me stay focused on just
- 3:28trying to provide some good, whether that's a innovative
- 3:32device or an interesting algorithm or something that's
- 3:35going to help your neighbor or my mother or, you know, our
- 3:39children to, to be able to run a little bit better or to breathe
- 3:43a little bit better or to have less burden from a, from a
- 3:46cancerous tumor. All that stuff has has driven
- 3:49me. So even as I, you know,
- 3:51thankfully worked my way up the quote UN quote ladder, I knew
- 3:54somebody in the organization was tableside or bedside with a
- 3:59patient. And that's always meant a lot to
- 4:01me. So with a lot of flights over
- 4:05the years, with a lot of frustration and exhilaration and
- 4:09exhaustion and everything else, it's always made me feel pretty
- 4:14good when I fall asleep, that I'm part of something a lot
- 4:18bigger than myself. That's really cool.
- 4:21Obviously, all of us, we want to do well in our jobs.
- 4:23There's incentives, especially in the roles that you've had to
- 4:27grow the company to make money. Sometimes you're just hitting
- 4:30your head against the wall and it's got to feel really good
- 4:32when you know that, hey, there's a bigger picture here of helping
- 4:36people, saving lives, making them healthier, right?
- 4:40There is, there is and and I a mentor of mine was, was pretty
- 4:44profound with advice last year kind of mid last year, kind of
- 4:50spring last year. I left a chapter of a of a
- 4:54company that was doing really and continues to do really,
- 4:57really strong innovative work for patients that are suffering
- 5:00from brain tumors for, for various reasons.
- 5:04The company was getting pretty complicated.
- 5:06The venture capital board was, you know, very involved,
- 5:10etcetera, etcetera. But I, I ended up leaving that
- 5:13company and, and the advice that I was given, which was, was
- 5:18really, really, really perceptive, was put together
- 5:21your four or five non negotiables in order for your
- 5:25next role. And, and at the time I thought
- 5:27it was, you know, kind of a little bit of a like a hokey,
- 5:30you know, every Wall Street Journal article will tell you to
- 5:32do the same thing. Harvard Business reviews will
- 5:35tell you do the same thing. Anybody in your neighborhood
- 5:37will tell you to do the same thing.
- 5:38Like really think, you know, be deliberate about your next step.
- 5:42But I actually was after, you know, I put my skepticism aside.
- 5:46I actually, I think I have the card right here somewhere.
- 5:49But I, I sat and for an afternoon, I thought about it, I
- 5:53prayed about it, I thought about it some more.
- 5:56I, you know, walk through, I, I force ranked one through 5 of
- 6:01what I wanted in the next role that I was going to jump into,
- 6:05knowing that I dedicated a lot of myself to the roles that I'm
- 6:08in. And financial compensation was
- 6:12#5 and. Interesting.
- 6:15It was, it was the scope of the responsibility that it's a
- 6:18really fulfilling and needed solution.
- 6:21That it was, you know, people that I wanted to work with and
- 6:24for and, you know, in the same sandbox, so to speak.
- 6:30And that we were providing something real and, and location
- 6:33was important at this stage of life with, with three kids that
- 6:35I, I didn't want to be gone 45 weeks out of the year anymore.
- 6:40I wanted to actually live where I slept on the weekends and I
- 6:44wanted to be part of the day-to-day family.
- 6:46So all these worlds came together and, and compensation
- 6:50was #5 to that. And that doesn't mean that I'm a
- 6:53St. and that doesn't mean I don't like, you know, to, to
- 6:56vacation well with my family and to live well and all those
- 6:58things. But in terms of the opportunity
- 7:02that I wanted to jump into and how I want to spend the rest of
- 7:04my life, compensation's part of the puzzle.
- 7:07It it's definitely not my driving force.
- 7:09Interesting. OK, so how did the door open up
- 7:12for this opportunity at Nurse IO?
- 7:14That's a, that's a good story too.
- 7:16So I, I've, I've had a friend up here in North Scottsdale for a
- 7:19while, just a, a nice man that we kind of knew similar circles,
- 7:24you know, kind of church circles, so to speak.
- 7:27And, and he and I would have coffee once or twice a year for
- 7:30several years. And he started talking about
- 7:34this company nurse IO. And this was several months ago,
- 7:38it was just more than a year ago.
- 7:39And, and he was talking about this company and he's the board
- 7:43chair of this company and, and he's on, you know, kind of the
- 7:46autumn of his career and more board seats than, than
- 7:49operational roles. And he started talking about it.
- 7:52And because he was talking like I, I obviously paid attention
- 7:56and I thought about it and everything else.
- 7:58He never offered me the job. He, you know, was just talking
- 8:01about how cool the opportunity will be when the company's ready
- 8:05to bring in a healthcare CEO. And, and so we kept on, you
- 8:09know, every couple months we get together for coffee and just
- 8:11talk about everything under the sun, including nurse IO.
- 8:15So this got into kind of Thanksgiving time frame last
- 8:18year, late November, early December.
- 8:21And he said, hey, this company's gone through the Med tech
- 8:24accelerator from the Mayo Clinic and, and Arizona State
- 8:28University. And they now are absolutely
- 8:31recommending because of the growth trajectory, because of
- 8:34the need to raise some money, because of a launch into the big
- 8:38hospital markets across the country, that they need a
- 8:40healthcare CEO. And the founders are willing to
- 8:43step back in a humble way and bring in a true healthcare CEO.
- 8:48And so then I started thinking about this.
- 8:50I was like, OK, I can you know in that they're.
- 8:53Getting serious? You could tell like.
- 8:55You could tell that it was no longer, it wasn't the board
- 8:57chair just frivolously kind of looking around the marketplace
- 9:02and still trying to sell internally.
- 9:03Why all these things were important.
- 9:06It was the validation from a legit accelerator of people that
- 9:10know how to launch small companies and scale.
- 9:13It was a board chair who has 50 years of experience in
- 9:15healthcare. It was a meeting with the the
- 9:19two founders who are both real people.
- 9:22They are best friends from from rural New Mexico and high school
- 9:26that had made their way to the Phoenix area independently.
- 9:28And we just were really entrepreneurial and they, they
- 9:32found this distressed asset that in, in nurse staffing that was
- 9:37kind of brick and mortar calling around and saying, hey, we have
- 9:414 nurses in our lobby, do you need a nurse today in your
- 9:44facility? And, and they were savvy enough
- 9:47to fund the company by themselves.
- 9:50They didn't take in any outside capital, truly bootstrap to
- 9:53several $1,000,000 of revenue. They brought in a fantastic CTO
- 9:59who digitized everything, who was very forward thinking about
- 10:02an app, about AI, about development and AI, about, you
- 10:07know, credentialing, all sorts of different things.
- 10:10And this company got to a really good place during COVID because
- 10:13everybody was looking for staff to go to a nursing home or a
- 10:17detox center or whatever else. So Long story short, when you
- 10:20combined, it was a Phoenix area company based in Scottsdale and
- 10:25close to my home. It was AI and forward thinking
- 10:29is going to be a great learning experience for me.
- 10:31It was people that I wanted to work with and wanted to work for
- 10:36both by the board chairman and the two founders who, you know,
- 10:39control the board. All these things came together
- 10:41and it went back to my North star of how can we help that
- 10:46patient on the table with a really good clinician.
- 10:48And I could just, but for now at least, forget about the widget
- 10:52that was going to help that clinician help the patient and
- 10:55just try to consume myself with getting the right clinicians at
- 10:59the bedside to help that patient on the table.
- 11:02This just checked all your boxes, right place, right time.
- 11:06The four things that came before that number 5 compensation on
- 11:10that that list of non negotiables.
- 11:13And so OK, so tell us, we kind of touched on it in the intro,
- 11:18but I wanna hear like in more detail from you.
- 11:21What is Nurse IO doing that's different from sort of more
- 11:24traditional medical staffing firms?
- 11:27So nurse, the traditional nurse IO business has been a double
- 11:31sided marketplace. So if you picture a healthcare
- 11:35facility, there's enormous nursing shortages all over the
- 11:39country, almost every single facility you can think of, from
- 11:42a assisted living center to a nursing home to a hospital to a
- 11:46surgery center. Give us an idea, how many
- 11:49openings are we talking about at any given time?
- 11:51Depending on the data source, between 500,000 and 1,000,000
- 11:54openings in the United States today.
- 11:57Today not like, oh like there's 10,000 this week and 10,000 next
- 12:01week. Like in in this given moment,
- 12:03you're somewhere between half a million and a million openings.
- 12:05There it's an enormous, it's one of the biggest problems in the
- 12:09healthcare today. You have a lot of and for a lot
- 12:13of some of them are systemic, some of them are COVID related.
- 12:16So systemic. Our population is getting older,
- 12:19right and unfortunately more unhealthy.
- 12:22And then when you talk about detox and behavioral health,
- 12:26mental health has never been, you know, where it is today.
- 12:30It keeps on growing. People struggling with addiction
- 12:34has never been higher and it continues to grow.
- 12:36Clinicians are getting older and they are retiring.
- 12:40A lot of people, up to 15% of nurses exited the full time
- 12:45workforce during COVID because it was not fulfilling work or
- 12:49they didn't they didn't agree with, you know, the, the
- 12:52vaccination mandates or they, you know, just wanted to do
- 12:57something else with their life. They like they everybody, a lot
- 13:00of people, all of us. I certainly did got
- 13:01introspective with what do I want my career to look like?
- 13:04I've had a chance to get off the road for a couple months or, you
- 13:08know, a year or whatever. Now what is the next chapter?
- 13:11Hold. So a lot of clinicians retired.
- 13:14The need has never been bigger, and it continues to get more.
- 13:17There's not enough nursing schools that, you know, so
- 13:20systemically there's not enough supply of nurses coming in.
- 13:24And a lot of people just wanted more control and empowerment of
- 13:27their career. They don't want to ask somebody
- 13:29for paid time off. They want to be able to just
- 13:32say, hey, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm leap.
- 13:33Phoenix is really hot in the summer, right?
- 13:35So somebody may just make the decision, I'm going to leave for
- 13:39three months and I'm going to travel all over the national
- 13:41parks or the baseball stadiums in the United States or
- 13:44whatever. And then I want to work more in,
- 13:47in, you know, September to Christmas time to make up for
- 13:51the months that I was gone. And people want that control.
- 13:53My, your parents are aging or you, you want to coach your
- 13:57son's baseball team or your daughter's soccer team or
- 14:00whatever. People want more control and
- 14:03they want more empowerment. And that's what I think we do
- 14:06really well. Say more about that.
- 14:08How are you giving them more control and more empowerment?
- 14:11Are they just sort of picking like, hey, I want to work once,
- 14:14get like one shift today and I don't know, I'll figure out
- 14:17tomorrow when tomorrow comes. Yeah.
- 14:20So you can you picture somebody opening up an app and it's not
- 14:23Uber Eats and it's not Lyft or Waymo.
- 14:27There's there instead of picking, you know, a pasta that
- 14:30they want delivered or a cheese steak that they want delivered
- 14:33or that they want to go, you know, to a friend's house and,
- 14:36and not worry about parking. So they're going to take an
- 14:38Uber. We're putting everything in
- 14:40people's hands. So a facility will post a shift
- 14:43on our app and, and that shift will have a pictures of the
- 14:48facility. It will enter exact rates that
- 14:51people will get paid once they fulfill the shift.
- 14:54It will. You know, some places are, hey,
- 14:56if you work a whole day on Saturday, we are going to offer
- 14:59you a shift lunch or free parking or free bus fare or
- 15:02whatever. So people are seeing exactly
- 15:05what it is. They're saying, OK, this is at a
- 15:08detox center and I'm going to work there 2 hour or six hours
- 15:12on Saturday and four hours on Sunday morning.
- 15:15And this is rated well by other clinicians.
- 15:18It's a place that that helps get, you know, people up to
- 15:22speed that are clinicians. It's welcoming, it's accepting.
- 15:25It's. There's like reviews like you
- 15:27would see like on an Uber or something.
- 15:29OK, so we have two way reviews and so people are open with open
- 15:33eyes are able to say wow, that facility, that's number one,
- 15:37it's 15 miles from my house. I only want to go 5 miles within
- 15:41a range from my house or it's assisted living and I only
- 15:46really want to do hospital work from here on out.
- 15:49And so they're, they're getting a tremendous amount of details
- 15:52and, and you can kind of trial run things too, right?
- 15:55So if you're, you've been in a hospital, rigid hospital
- 15:57environment your whole career and you want to take a step back
- 16:00or you want to moonlight and make a little bit extra money
- 16:02because life is obviously expensive.
- 16:04Now you could say, you know what, I've been in hospitals my
- 16:06whole career. I want to try a shift or two or
- 16:09three weekends in behavioral health or detox or school
- 16:14nursing or whatever. And so it's, it's letting people
- 16:17chart their own path via our app rather than just going and
- 16:22working for, you know, hospital Y in their community and, and
- 16:27being subject to all the good, bad and other things that go
- 16:29with one job for 40 or 50 hours over 25 years.
- 16:34Is it cumbersome then for them to get paid?
- 16:37Like are they having to, you know, wait for a check to come
- 16:40from that hospital or that detox center or how do you guys sort
- 16:43of facilitate that? Yeah, we were.
- 16:46We were the first in the marketplace.
- 16:47And I think it's because we listen really well.
- 16:49You know, I think a lot of companies can design interesting
- 16:52technology and can market themselves really well.
- 16:55I think we do a really good job of listening.
- 16:57And so if you put yourself in the shoes of a single dad or a
- 17:01single mom or you know, somebody who's trying to make a little
- 17:05bit of money to pay some bills, we decided to go to same day pay
- 17:11in a very transparent way. And so if I finish my shift at
- 17:14the hospital or the surgery center or the the nursing home
- 17:18at 6:00 PM by 8:00 PM, I'm going to get paid by our app and then
- 17:25we go and collect from the facility.
- 17:27So you're. Floating that money to to your
- 17:30worker, your employee, your contractor.
- 17:33We are. We are.
- 17:34Before you're getting paid by by your customer.
- 17:38Because we know how important that is, you know, ACNA or a
- 17:41nursing assistant, they, they, they want to know not just what
- 17:46they're getting paid. They want to know exactly when
- 17:48they're going to get paid. And a couple weeks in the future
- 17:51doesn't feel real good when you're trying to bring groceries
- 17:53home or you're trying to figure out, you know, the family budget
- 17:56for the next week or day or whatever.
- 17:59So that was really important to us and we're able to do that.
- 18:03It's not necessarily the best thing for our business because
- 18:06to your point, we have to float and and if we pay that same day,
- 18:10we don't invoice until the following Monday and we may not
- 18:13collect for 15 days or 30 days or ever from somebody.
- 18:17But we think it's that important to do to be a good partner for
- 18:22these nurses. So they come back to our app
- 18:24rather than somebody else's marketplace and say I work for
- 18:27nurse IO and Nurse IO empowers me to pick up shifts all over my
- 18:31neighborhood and I'm going to get paid that same day.
- 18:33You eliminate those headaches for the nurses having to try to
- 18:37collect or waiting on a more traditional paycheck, you know,
- 18:41might be a week or two from now. And you guys take on that risk
- 18:44and that hassle because you really want to take care of the
- 18:46nurses, those frontline. Workers we're, we're in effect
- 18:49our own payday loan service without charging, you know, 15%
- 18:56or some predatory rate like we're, we're doing it because
- 18:59it's the right thing to do. That's great.
- 19:02And types of facilities, I heard you mentioned detox hospitals,
- 19:07was there assisted care? So like senior living what?
- 19:10What other kinds of facilities are your client base?
- 19:13Yeah. Our, our traditional business
- 19:15has been behavioral health centers, detox centers,
- 19:19rehabilitation centers, like physical rehab centers where,
- 19:23where people have to learn how to walk again or learn how to,
- 19:27you know, use their hands again after a stroke or after a, a
- 19:30spinal, you know, fusion or whatever.
- 19:33Skilled assistant, skilled assistant living nursing homes,
- 19:39kind of, we call it post acute and sub acute.
- 19:42That's been the bread and butter of the company.
- 19:45And we're like on the eve on the verge of jumping into to the
- 19:50hospital market with some really good indicators that we will be
- 19:53very well received in big hospital systems across the
- 19:56country. Also, ambulatory surgery centers
- 20:00are doing a lot of procedures and they, you know, if they miss
- 20:04a couple staff members on a day, they can't do as many
- 20:07procedures. And so the revenue suffers
- 20:09greatly. So it's, it's, it's basically
- 20:12anywhere nurses are, nursing assistants are.
- 20:15And and then within that, everything that we can do to
- 20:17make sure a facility is well staffed.
- 20:20Talk to me about the company's growth, like how many markets
- 20:24are you guys in? Let's just start there.
- 20:26How many markets are you in right now, Shane?
- 20:29We're technically 90% of our businesses in Arizona.
- 20:34We have toe in the water in three other States and we know
- 20:39because of both demographics and the need of hospitals.
- 20:42So you combine those two for the need and then the we also know
- 20:46the regulatory burden of different states.
- 20:49So if you want to go to California, it's an enormous
- 20:51demographic, but the regulatory environment is so high that
- 20:56doesn't make sense for a really small company that wants to grow
- 20:59to jump into that market next. We know that it's in our future.
- 21:02We know we want to provide great service for those clinicians in
- 21:05those facilities. But we are, we've identified 10
- 21:09more markets that we want to go into in the next 6 to 12 months
- 21:13that are both good demographically that have nurses
- 21:16on nurse iOS app already and will be a, a, a regulatory
- 21:22climate that we can succeed in. OK.
- 21:25So say that number again, 10 markets in the next 6 to 12
- 21:28months. Yeah, sounds like a pretty big
- 21:30lift. I mean, one market alone, you've
- 21:33got the regulatory hurdles, you've got to find, you know, a
- 21:37stable of nurses, you've got to have the client relationships
- 21:41there. You have to have sort of that
- 21:42supply demand balance to keep everybody happy.
- 21:46How do you sort of think about going into a new market?
- 21:49Yeah, we try to stay as focused and as intelligent as we can.
- 21:54Meaning the ambitious side of me and probably the, the, the me
- 21:59from 15 years ago would just say, OK, we know we have product
- 22:02market fit in this market. Now it's time to conquer the
- 22:04world. Let's go big, let's go broad,
- 22:07let's go deep. Let's let's boil the ocean.
- 22:09Let's go, let's go, let's go. The the reality is we have less
- 22:13than 10 full time employees. So we cast a, a shadow in the
- 22:17marketplace that's much bigger than our actual company.
- 22:19That's part being bootstrapped to, you know, for several years
- 22:23and no outside investors or no outside debt.
- 22:27But we also do things very efficiently, meaning we onboard
- 22:31clinicians very quickly. We credential clinicians very
- 22:36appropriately and and very responsibly, but also quickly.
- 22:40We know before we go into a marketplace, we know those
- 22:43facilities. We know the proximity to
- 22:47clinicians that want to work in the in the gig economy that want
- 22:51to pick up shifts. So we have a lot of intelligence
- 22:53that is not like, you know, my first sales job, I would fly
- 22:59into, you know, Albuquerque, NM, and I would open up a Yellow
- 23:01Pages and I would look through, you know, where the surgeons
- 23:04offices were and then I'd go visit those surgeon offices.
- 23:07We now have so much Intel at our hands that whether it's a
- 23:11digital presence or a outreach from me or outreach from our
- 23:15sales and marketing team or our founders, we know where the
- 23:19needs should be from pattern recognition.
- 23:21And then our AI tools help us to stay really focused.
- 23:25I'd like to hear more about what you're using AI for because you
- 23:29mentioned about being able to onboard and credential very
- 23:32quickly. Is that one of the places that
- 23:35it comes into play? It's one of them.
- 23:36It's what so on a, so just to separate the two things on the
- 23:40development side of our algorithm of our software, of
- 23:43our, you know, product offering, more than 90% of our development
- 23:49is happening with AI. It's called cursor AI is is what
- 23:53we use and that helps us to in real time again, listen to the
- 23:58marketplace and in real time we can put in, we can hear about
- 24:01something with a clinician or a facility, let's say Monday at
- 24:05noon, we can initiate those changes within our dev software,
- 24:10our AI dev software and that can hit the marketplace that night.
- 24:15Our app would be totally different or a software can be
- 24:17totally changed by that. Whether that's hey, we need to
- 24:21alert people in hours rather than minutes, whether that is
- 24:24the rating system, you know, we want to make it easier for
- 24:27people to leave reviews, whether that is hey, blue is more, you
- 24:31know, eye-catching than red, whatever that is.
- 24:34We can listen quickly and then implement just almost just as
- 24:38fast and then credentialing and onboarding that you're talking
- 24:41about. We think we have a distinct
- 24:44competitive advantage. We don't have a team of 25
- 24:47people checking TB tests and CPR certification and license.
- 24:52Typical at other firms. It's not the, the big, the big
- 24:56onboarding teams are typical at other firms.
- 24:58I I'm not going to give away necessarily the secret sauce of
- 25:01how we do that, but we know that the way we do it is even more
- 25:06thorough and way faster. Oh come on, pull back the
- 25:11curtain of little bit Shane now. We, we have very good AI tools
- 25:17that we've developed that are proprietary for us that help us
- 25:21scan people's credentials. And then we're able to stand by
- 25:25those credentials that they're accurate, they're not
- 25:27fraudulent. That and, and, and a lot of
- 25:30people, if a lot of people are taking, you know, a month to
- 25:33onboard credentials, we can do that in in a fraction of the
- 25:37time. Mike, a few days, a couple
- 25:41hours. Most of the time we're within 24
- 25:44hours. Wow, that's impressive.
- 25:47I have to think that that's a bit like, not only is it sort of
- 25:50saving you that labor cost of having somebody, you know, like
- 25:54manually set aside to, you know, review that, but it also gets
- 25:58your providers, your clinicians into the position to be placed
- 26:04at a client's site much more quickly.
- 26:06It's going to keep them happy, right?
- 26:08They come to your site, they don't want to wait a month
- 26:10before you know they're they're ready to work today.
- 26:12Right, right. And especially if you go back to
- 26:15that example of somebody who wants to get paid pretty
- 26:18quickly, whether they're moonlighting their life's more
- 26:20expensive or there's, you know, an unforeseen expense that comes
- 26:25into their household budget, whatever else.
- 26:27If you don't want to wait by the phone and then apply a bunch of
- 26:30places, you want to get to work as fast as you can after you
- 26:33decide you want to get to work. And because if you get to work
- 26:37and then you work for somebody like us, then you're going to
- 26:40get paid right away. And that that's different than
- 26:43hoping and praying for an opportunity weeks from now they
- 26:46can get to going, you know, the next day if they decide to do
- 26:49so. So you mentioned 10 different
- 26:52markets that you got your eye on.
- 26:54Are you ready to mention any of them yet?
- 26:57No, I'd I'd prefer not to. That's fair.
- 27:01OK, so wow, all kinds of places we could go with this.
- 27:05Let's talk about your mission. Freedom is our culture.
- 27:10What's the meaning behind that statement?
- 27:12And say a little bit more about how it guides your approach to
- 27:18empowering both your clients or the healthcare facilities as
- 27:22well as the nursing professionals.
- 27:25So there was a study I'll, I'll start on the facility side.
- 27:29So many facilities were left short handed during the COVID
- 27:33spikes in 2020 and 2021 and 2022 that they had to sign up a lot
- 27:38of what are called travel nurses or locums or longer term
- 27:42contract people. And, and that's a good Band-Aid,
- 27:45right? You know, you have somebody who
- 27:48is in Ohio and they pick up a contract in Alaska or California
- 27:51and they just go out there for six months and they work.
- 27:53So on the surface that that makes a lot of sense.
- 27:56In reality, those programs are drastically more expensive than
- 28:00full time staff, like 50% more in a lot of ways.
- 28:04And so you and I are working on the same shift.
- 28:07I'm a full time employee, You're a traveller.
- 28:10You and I are doing the same job for the same time frame and
- 28:13you're getting paid 50% more than I am.
- 28:15It's bad for morale. It's destroyed a lot of the
- 28:19budgets and hospitals, almost over 40% of hospitals are
- 28:22underwater in terms of profitability.
- 28:25And most of that is because of Labor spend.
- 28:27And most of that is because of the spikes of, you know, the the
- 28:31stop gaps that had to be put in, you know, as the the working
- 28:35field was changing. So that that facility in that
- 28:39example or those facilities, they now have the freedom of
- 28:42saying, hey, maybe we don't need to renew the contract for that
- 28:45really expensive resource that's doing the same job as everybody
- 28:48else. But maybe if we have in our back
- 28:50pocket a per diem app solution like we have, then if somebody
- 28:56goes out on on PTO or maternity leave, or, you know, is it calls
- 29:01in sick or has a sick child that they can't come in for their
- 29:04shift. We can press the easy button on
- 29:07the nurse IO app and get that shift filled with somebody who's
- 29:11aligned with our cost structure and our budget and is just as
- 29:14professional and has the same licenses and has the same
- 29:17education as somebody that we're paying 50% more.
- 29:20So that gives the staffing people, the chief operating
- 29:23officer or the chief nursing officer or the, you know, HR
- 29:28representative, that gives them freedom to do what's right for
- 29:31that ward in that facility, for that shift and all on the
- 29:36clinician side of things or the healthcare professional side of
- 29:38things. I now have the freedom to work
- 29:41where I want to, when I want to. It doesn't, it's not more
- 29:45complicated than that for us. We know people can say I'm open
- 29:49to 100 mile radius, I'm open to a 2 mile radius.
- 29:53I would prefer to stay towards a detox center or an assisted
- 29:58living center rather than, you know, something totally
- 30:01different from that. And oh, by the way, I've been
- 30:05rated very highly from this facility and I know that they
- 30:09like me. And so I'm going to put that as
- 30:11one of my favorites. So the second that that, you
- 30:13know, a facility puts a shift out to the marketplace, I'm
- 30:17going to get notified by that. So whether I'm at my full time
- 30:20job or I'm, you know, working outside in the yard, I'm going
- 30:23to get a notification that, you know, Saint Mary's Hospital 2
- 30:27miles away in the ICU need someone and I love working
- 30:32there. So that's the freedom I have to
- 30:34pick the place to pick the rate and and to be prioritized as
- 30:38somebody that you know has been rated very well from that
- 30:40facility. Shane, when you guys go into a
- 30:44new healthcare facility, you want to bring them on as a new
- 30:48client. What's the biggest piece of
- 30:50pushback that you typically get and how do you answer that?
- 30:55The bigger the facility is or the bigger the organization is,
- 30:58the more stakeholders there are. And, and as we all do, it's
- 31:01human nature. We all have our pet projects and
- 31:04we all take a thin slice of information.
- 31:06So if we're approaching somebody, they could be like,
- 31:09hey, we have a staffing agency, we have a contract through our
- 31:11GPO or we have, you know, we've been using this, you know, brick
- 31:16and mortar staffing company across town for 35 years.
- 31:20When they truly understand what we're doing on the per diem
- 31:24side, let alone compared to the other per diem providers, even
- 31:29just take because like right now you could say our competition is
- 31:35solutions that are similar to what we do, not as good, not as
- 31:37fast, not as as foolproof, not as easy.
- 31:41But there's still a lot of brick and mortar staffing companies
- 31:44that have people that they're paying every day, whether
- 31:47they're working or not and they're paying benefits and
- 31:49they're doing a lot of different things.
- 31:52Our advantage is the analytic because of AI, the analytics
- 31:56that we can pull from things, the rating systems the same day
- 32:00pay, the transparency of of our rates compared to the clinicians
- 32:04rates. All of these things help
- 32:06everybody be really transparent and free to, to do what they
- 32:10need to do. And it differentiates us
- 32:12frankly. You know, there's theoretically
- 32:14a lot of people can jump up and fill a gap in staffing, whether
- 32:18that's full time or traveller, long term contract or per diem.
- 32:22We just think that we do it the right way and we do it very
- 32:26quickly. What unique challenges Shane
- 32:29have you guys encountered while fusing healthcare specifically
- 32:33with this technology to complex fields?
- 32:37Has your team overcome that? I think launching and evolving
- 32:41the product. Yeah, I think the biggest, the
- 32:43biggest hurdle and it's and it's, it's a good problem to
- 32:46have. The biggest hurdle we have is
- 32:49the need to stay focused with limited resources.
- 32:52Meaning every time I'm in a conversation at a dinner party
- 32:56or sidelines of a soccer game or, you know, talking to a
- 32:59potential investor, everybody has an idea about how we could
- 33:03have a marketplace for, you know, jugglers in the in the
- 33:06circus or, you know, lion tamers or bull riders or whatever else.
- 33:11There's there's no shortage of ideas and, and probably a lot of
- 33:14them would be lucrative, not necessarily the circus one, but
- 33:17a lot of the ones that people approach us with would be
- 33:20lucrative for us. We're a lot more consumed with
- 33:23healthcare and in the areas where we can generally make a
- 33:27difference and land there and expand and do better and better
- 33:32there. And then if there are things in
- 33:34two or three or five years that makes sense, we can certainly
- 33:37get into that, whether if even if that's including physicians
- 33:40or you know, all sorts of different other healthcare
- 33:43providers that are not nurses. We are comfortable and confident
- 33:47that our technology, our team and our algorithm will transfer
- 33:50very well to other markets. But our number one opportunity
- 33:55is always to be even more focused and even more deliberate
- 33:59and disciplined about what we need to accomplish today,
- 34:02tomorrow and over the next 30, sixty, 90 days.
- 34:05Let's explore this for a moment, Shane, because I'm kind of
- 34:07curious about this. You're already, you know, you
- 34:10have relationships with a lot of these facilities that, you know,
- 34:13they need the nurses and you're providing those and a lot of
- 34:16them, as you just mentioned, you know, they need physicians too.
- 34:20Like how do you sort of think about that?
- 34:23Because you know, with the entrepreneurial brain that guys
- 34:25like us have, you want to go after those opportunities,
- 34:29right? That's kind of feels like low
- 34:31hanging fruit. At the same time, you've been
- 34:34through this enough to know the value in being hyper focused,
- 34:38especially, you know, at the young stage that you guys are
- 34:41at. So kind of walk us through like
- 34:43how you wrap your head around balancing those two things.
- 34:46Well, I think the complexity of different marketplaces is
- 34:50something to keep in mind. So I don't know if if a brain
- 34:55surgeon for or a neurosurgeon would be applicable to something
- 34:58like this, but there are a lot of physicians that moonlight by
- 35:01themselves. I have a one of my best friends
- 35:05from high school who's an ER doc and, and if he wants to pick up
- 35:10another shift, it's not the most professional process.
- 35:13You know, there's, there's a Facebook page for Chicagoland
- 35:18emergency room doctors. They're almost openly
- 35:21negotiating. These are, you know, highly
- 35:23educated, professional, credentialed physicians.
- 35:28And they're basically, basically negotiating in front of their
- 35:31neighbors. And so we know that all these
- 35:34things, there's a need, but with a small team with limited
- 35:38resources for now, it's very important that we're focused.
- 35:42And, and the reason why it's important is not just resource
- 35:45allocation and, and proving its credibility.
- 35:49You know, I, I personally wouldn't want somebody to
- 35:52approach me if I was the president of a hospital or CEO
- 35:54of a hospital or nursing director.
- 35:56I wouldn't want somebody to approach me and say, hey, you
- 36:00know, behind door number one, I can offer you this whole team of
- 36:04people behind door number two. And oh, by the way, I have
- 36:07parking lot attendance and I have housekeeping and I have,
- 36:11you know, people that are going to work on weekends to to help
- 36:15traffic in and out. And I got.
- 36:16Jugglers and jesters and yeah. We got it all.
- 36:20But you know, I wouldn't want to be approached that way.
- 36:22I'd like to know somebody is passionate about what I'm
- 36:25passionate about. So if I'm a chief nursing
- 36:27officer, I don't want to talk about an ER doc.
- 36:29I want to talk about getting the 2nd shift tomorrow filled.
- 36:34It makes a lot of sense. They want to see that you're
- 36:36focused. It's certainly helpful for you
- 36:37guys at this young stage. And you see a lot more value in
- 36:42going into new geographical markets, first really
- 36:45establishing yourself, establishing the brand name and
- 36:49then you can look 2345 years down the road at maybe adding on
- 36:54some of those other positions if it makes sense.
- 36:56That's the fun part. The fun part is we have a very
- 36:59big challenge and puzzle to crack now, but there are a lot
- 37:03of puzzles that are waiting to be solved.
- 37:05And, and I think the, the speed and the team and the
- 37:08technological, you know, progress that we've made, I
- 37:12think we're going to be able to help a lot of different puzzles.
- 37:15Shane, what's a serious challenge that you've had to
- 37:18overcome in your business or personal life?
- 37:21What it was it? How'd you get through it?
- 37:22What did you learn? Yeah, you know, this is pretty
- 37:26pretty near. And dear is I've always tried to
- 37:30be as transparent as possible and have very genuine and real
- 37:35relationships. And, and that served me well for
- 37:39a long time. You know, I certainly wasn't
- 37:40somebody who was running into the office, quote, UN quote, on
- 37:43Monday and telling everybody about my weekend.
- 37:46But I, I, I, I, I genuinely value people and I want to be
- 37:52valued by people. I've been in a couple scenarios,
- 37:56including, you know, fairly recently, not with Nursaio, but
- 38:00previous to Nursaio where everything was from a board
- 38:04perspective, everything was a spreadsheet rather than the, the
- 38:09depth of somebody's character or the intangibles of leadership
- 38:14that, you know, don't show up on a balance sheet, but are
- 38:19trending in the right direction, meaning a venture capital
- 38:23community. And I've worked with a lot of
- 38:25really good venture capital investors I really have that are
- 38:28genuinely vested in the company financially.
- 38:31They care, they want to make introductions, they want to help
- 38:35to pressure test strategies and all sorts other stuff.
- 38:37But there's also, you know, that 10% of venture capital investors
- 38:41that even though they've never worked in a company, they're
- 38:45there, They have a great MBA, they have great analytical
- 38:48skills, they're brilliant people.
- 38:50They think they know everything about operating a company.
- 38:53And, and they're, they're in a tough position too, right?
- 38:56Like they're, they have to report back to their, their,
- 38:58their investors and their GPS and their limited partners and
- 39:01everything else. But the board interactions that
- 39:04I thrive under and the venture capital relationships that I
- 39:08truly treasure to this day over several different stops are
- 39:12those that trust the operators. And yeah, you know, there's, if
- 39:17you put it together and you get buy in for a strategy,
- 39:20Healthcare is not the fastest moving business.
- 39:23It's really not, you know, you're having to change
- 39:25consensus of all the neurosurgeons in the country or
- 39:29the FDA or, you know, CMS for payment for, for a device.
- 39:35All these things take time. And so it's you can't default
- 39:39to, hey, you told us on last Wednesday that you were
- 39:42incorporating a new go to market strategy.
- 39:45It's now Friday afternoon. How come we haven't seen any
- 39:47uptick yet? Things take time and you have to
- 39:50really know the business fairly well.
- 39:52You have to be secure in your knowledge and you have to be
- 39:55very trusting of operators. That doesn't mean you should sit
- 39:57on your hands and let the operating team do whatever they
- 40:00want. You have a vested interest.
- 40:02It's very important for you and your reputation and your fund
- 40:05that you're doing things properly.
- 40:07But if you're relying on a low trust environment and you know,
- 40:13almost micromanagement, you're never going to capitalize on the
- 40:16true potential of an organization that genuinely
- 40:19believes in the leader in in place.
- 40:21So I went through that in the last couple years and like I'd
- 40:25LED off with I'm a genuine people and I like genuine
- 40:29relationships and, and I was put in a position where there were
- 40:35things going on behind the scenes, you know, potentially
- 40:38from a board level that we're not appreciating the blood,
- 40:41sweat and tears that I was doing day-to-day.
- 40:44And I just wish that there was more candor, there was more
- 40:47transparency. There's more honor to the
- 40:50agreements that were set forth when I was joining the company.
- 40:54But those are things I don't blame anybody.
- 40:56It's, it's not the way I would have conducted things, but they
- 40:59have to do what's best for their investment.
- 41:02It's just some of the stylistic things that I wish were handled
- 41:06a little bit differently. Knowing that there's some
- 41:08presidents or CEO's that no matter what you say to them,
- 41:13it's not going to impact them any way, shape or form.
- 41:16They have a big ego potentially or really, really, really thick
- 41:20skin. I think the people in this day
- 41:23and age, especially, they respond to people that are real
- 41:26people that are in a in a, in a chair that's, you know,
- 41:29perceived as higher up on the food chain, meaning, you know,
- 41:33ultimately an investor has every right to remove an executive,
- 41:38But I think that that sets organizations back.
- 41:41And so, but I had to go through, I was a casualty of that.
- 41:43I ended up leaving on my own terms, but I was a casualty of
- 41:47that. And and that hurt in a big way.
- 41:49It didn't change who I thought I was as a person or anything
- 41:52existential, but it was wow. I just spent so many years
- 41:58dedicating every free moment and oz of thought and emotion to
- 42:04this venture that you, you, you can't marry yourself to a
- 42:07company, right? You marry yourself to a spouse.
- 42:10You marry yourself to raising children or dogs or whatever
- 42:14else that are, you know, you're blessed with, but you can't put
- 42:18yourself worth or your confidence in the hands of
- 42:22anybody in a corporate realm because it is what it is.
- 42:25It's it's people that are hopefully doing what they think
- 42:27is best but don't exactly understand the entire picture.
- 42:32It sounds like you sent you found yourself in an environment
- 42:35where the culture of the leadership did not align with
- 42:39you and your values. And like, good on you for, you
- 42:44know, taking a step back from that.
- 42:46And I applaud sort of that mindset of, you know, you can't
- 42:50allow allow that to sort of define your value, your worth,
- 42:53who you are. But let's be honest, Shane,
- 42:56that's easier said than done, right?
- 42:58Like you would put so much of your blood, sweat and tears into
- 43:02that. That's a tough transition to
- 43:04make where it's like, man, I have been busting my rear end
- 43:07here and I'm not getting appreciated.
- 43:09And now I'm in a position where I've just got to step away from
- 43:13this. Like, did you really not have
- 43:16sort of that existential crisis even to some degree?
- 43:20No, you know, I'm, I'm fortunate enough that I was born with a
- 43:24lot of confidence and, and my parents will attest to that.
- 43:26So will my older siblings because I was always heckling
- 43:29them, but I was born with a lot of confidence.
- 43:32I've accomplished a lot and I I feel good about what I've
- 43:35accomplished and I've amazing amount of of belief in my faith
- 43:41and in my, you know, family and closest relationships that.
- 43:45So I think the foundation is, you know, was really set.
- 43:48Some of it I was born with some of it I was blessed with some of
- 43:50it has just built over time and so truly no existential threat,
- 43:55but it definitely punches you in the gut a little bit of wow,
- 44:01that's how it went down. You know, wow, you know that
- 44:04that person. There's this adage that you see
- 44:06a lot on social media now of like having somebody in the room
- 44:10when you're not in the room that thinks as highly of you as you
- 44:15know, when they're sitting in front of you type stuff.
- 44:16I'm, I'm butchering the, the meme, but in effect, finding out
- 44:21afterwards. The people in the room, there
- 44:23are some that were very supportive and there were some
- 44:25that were very supportive when I was sitting in front of them for
- 44:28lunch or dinner or a meeting, but that were the exact opposite
- 44:31behind closed doors. That's the part where if you're
- 44:35serious about relationships and you want to be a genuine person
- 44:37and you want to be, you know, trusting, those are the things
- 44:40that make you scratch your head like, wait a minute, it's.
- 44:43Hard to understand that lack of authenticity when that's not the
- 44:46way that you're wired. Right, exactly so so it what it
- 44:50did is back to the priority list of the five things for the next
- 44:54venture. And as I say, it opened up you
- 44:56you just to to sort of re evaluate things.
- 44:58It it re evaluated my priorities, probably 10 years
- 45:01ago it would have been title compensation, you know, really
- 45:06flashy technology. Now, those things are #5 you
- 45:11know, the, the location, the people, the board, the founders,
- 45:15all those things are very, very important to me.
- 45:17And I'm thankful now for that last experience because I
- 45:20wouldn't have been able to distill down to my true north
- 45:24now without some of those hiccups or punches in the guts
- 45:28or whatever else in that last chapter.
- 45:30I wouldn't be what I'm doing today.
- 45:32I wouldn't. Understand what it is that you
- 45:34wouldn't have had Sort of that compare contrast to say like
- 45:38that is something I do not care for.
- 45:40That is not me, unless that had been sort of thrust upon you.
- 45:44Exactly. And I've been, I was asked to
- 45:46join a board myself for the first time.
- 45:49In terms of a corporate board, I've been on nonprofit boards
- 45:51and other things, but corporately it's given me a
- 45:55whole different perspective on asking questions and empowering
- 45:59an operating leader rather than second guessing, gossiping,
- 46:05poking, you know, micromanaging. It's like, hey, you've probably
- 46:08already thought about this, but if you haven't, maybe, you know,
- 46:13could we talk about XY and Z? That's a lot different than you
- 46:16really need to do this. It's like, yeah, we did that six
- 46:18months ago and it didn't work. You know, there's you have to
- 46:21give people some trust and some benefit of the doubt.
- 46:24Shane, how would you describe your superpower?
- 46:29Oh, I don't know if I have a superpower.
- 46:32I, I think, I think I'm, I've been fortunate enough to be
- 46:36surrounded by really strong mentors to, to be raised in a
- 46:41really phenomenal family, to, to have a wife that has been
- 46:46really, really good for me, to have a faith that drives
- 46:49everything that I do. I don't personally have a
- 46:52superpower, but I, I'm very appreciative of the people that
- 46:57have, you know, helped to form me along the way, whether that
- 47:01was a sports coach or a teacher or my parents or my older
- 47:05siblings or, you know, somebody in the community that took an
- 47:08interest into my smile and what I was trying to do and, and help
- 47:12to corral me into a different way.
- 47:13So my superpower is probably appreciation.
- 47:16Like I, I genuinely appreciate people that go out of the way to
- 47:20make an introduction for me or I know on the side that they are
- 47:24in that room, the proverbial backroom, and they're saying,
- 47:27yeah, I met with him yesterday. He's he's he's what he says he
- 47:31is rather than, Oh yeah, you're great, you're great.
- 47:34And then get the dagger ready behind the scenes.
- 47:37I love that answer, your superpowers appreciation, but
- 47:40let me push a little bit because you've had a lot of success.
- 47:43You know, you've alluded to that.
- 47:45We've talked, you know, we've touched just on a handful of
- 47:47things that you've done. You know, are you a good
- 47:50salesman? Are you good at sort of seeing
- 47:52the chess board in a different way than other people are?
- 47:55Are you good at sort of identifying talent and spotting,
- 47:58oh, that person should be here kind of a thing.
- 48:00Like, let's set a humility aside a little bit.
- 48:05That's that's. I can tell it's a little
- 48:08uncomfortable for you. It's uncomfortable.
- 48:10I don't like interviewing. I'm not talking about like a
- 48:13podcast interview. I don't like interviewing for a
- 48:15job because then I have to talk about myself.
- 48:17So I think that I and then this, this isn't self depreciating.
- 48:24I think I'm pretty simple minded, meaning I've been
- 48:27involved in all these really complicated fields,
- 48:29electrophysiology, like you're talking to a physician that's
- 48:32looking that has a catheter in somebody's heart and they're,
- 48:35they're putting energy to interrupt a, a bad arrhythmia.
- 48:39They're looking at a 64 lead EKG and they're able in real time
- 48:44with a heat source in their hands in somebody's heart to
- 48:47say, oh, in lead 13 in the third segment.
- 48:52I know if I ablate where that's coming from, I'm going to help
- 48:54this person get out of atrial fibrillation or SVT, that that's
- 48:59really complicated. I don't think I could do that no
- 49:02matter how much education I had. It's just a processing speed
- 49:05that's very, very fast. But what I'm able to do is to
- 49:08build trust quickly and to distill really complicated
- 49:11things into very simple distilled messages, meaning like
- 49:16I could when I was in that role in electrophysiology.
- 49:19I could travel the world and talk to any electrophysiologist
- 49:22that I wanted to. It wasn't to go toe to toe on
- 49:26the 13th lead and the 4th segment of that of that patient,
- 49:30but it was to ask the right questions to build trust to, you
- 49:33know, you know, plant a couple seeds for them to think about
- 49:37that ultimately helped the organization refine the product
- 49:40road map or to pick up business or whatever.
- 49:42But I think I'm pretty good at communicating and I'm pretty
- 49:45good at distilling complicated things into into more distilled
- 49:49messages. And, and I think the
- 49:51relationships have served me well.
- 49:53Yeah, I think that personally, professionally, a a appetite for
- 49:57relationship, but also, you know, being able to build trust
- 50:01quickly has benefited me in all realms of my life.
- 50:04I'd tell you what, I've had the pleasure of working with some
- 50:07folks that, excuse me, are, are really good at sort of taking
- 50:11complicated topics and being able to break them down into,
- 50:16you know, bullet points that are distilled and like easy to wrap
- 50:20your head around. And it just, it's, it's one
- 50:23thing to sort of like just talk about it on the surface here.
- 50:26But when you sort of see it in play, it's such an easier way to
- 50:30get folks on board with the mission and moving forward.
- 50:33Whether it's your team members, whether you're trying to
- 50:36present, you know, a new idea to your clients, whether you're
- 50:39trying to get, you know, providers on board.
- 50:42When you can think of that language that makes this complex
- 50:45idea really easy to distill down and digest it, it's pretty
- 50:49powerful. They say the average American is
- 50:53bombarded with over 5000 promotional messages a day.
- 50:58And that could be everything, right?
- 50:59That could be on TikTok, that could be on a billboard, that
- 51:02could be in the midst, you know, a commercial in the midst of a
- 51:05podcast. It could be a lot of different
- 51:06things. So try to Fast forward to that
- 51:09of a really talented clinician who has a full docket of
- 51:14surgeries on that day or patients on that day or budgets
- 51:18to pour through on that day. They're getting bombarded like
- 51:21everybody else in the country is getting bombarded.
- 51:23And they also have a really complicated, important,
- 51:26beneficial or, you know, vital job to do.
- 51:29So I think the old adage with marketing you, you, I'm sure you
- 51:33know these same things as like 7 different ways to seven
- 51:37different times to, for a message to resonate with
- 51:40somebody. I think it's even more
- 51:41appropriate now that that making things easy for people to
- 51:45digest. If they want to dive deeper,
- 51:47then be prepared to dive as deep as anybody wants to to peel that
- 51:50onion. But in the meantime, make it
- 51:52very basic. You know, like people reach out
- 51:56blindly on LinkedIn now, like non-stop.
- 51:59And it's like, I don't need a manufacturing solution.
- 52:01I'm not manufacturing anything. I don't need a workforce
- 52:05solution for 18 countries. I'm in one state of 1 country.
- 52:09You know, it's like if people just did a little bit of
- 52:11homework, it would it would go a lot better because otherwise
- 52:16you're just doing blind outreaches and hoping that if
- 52:18you have a broad net, it's going to yield something back to you.
- 52:21How about spending more time and making a very narrow approach
- 52:25plan and knowing a little bit about somebody you're reaching
- 52:27out to. So people are actually not gun
- 52:30shy about going into LinkedIn to go to their mailbox because they
- 52:33know it's going to be 750 people in 24 hours that have nothing to
- 52:37do with the business that you're running.
- 52:39I think that that we sort of shifted the message there a
- 52:42little bit, but I think it's a really powerful one for, you
- 52:44know, folks to absorb, you know, especially folks who are in kind
- 52:47of the sales and marketing side of things because I hear this a
- 52:49lot from people. They're like, yeah, I'm tired of
- 52:52getting bombarded with the things that hit my inbox all the
- 52:55time. Are you need to need merchant
- 52:58cash advances? No, never have never been in the
- 53:01position for that. Like do do a little homework.
- 53:05And so, you know, and I think there is sort of this mentality
- 53:08out there that, hey, let's just take a shotgun to the wall.
- 53:11I'm going to hit 999 people that are not a fit for this, but
- 53:16maybe I'll get one. And if you were to take the time
- 53:20to do a little bit of research, get to know somebody a little
- 53:23bit before you reach out, you've got a much more tailored
- 53:26message, you can offer something of true value to them.
- 53:29I, I think there's a lot of wisdom in that.
- 53:31So I'm I'm glad we sort of took that little tangent there.
- 53:34Are you trying to politely say that I went off off slope?
- 53:39I think it's great. I mean, that's the beauty of
- 53:41these conversations. We're not locked into a specific
- 53:45structure. It's just I, I, I told you
- 53:47before we went live, like I'm going to ask some questions and
- 53:50I don't know where it's going to go.
- 53:51So you and I'll just roll with it.
- 53:54So I think that was great. Yep, thank.
- 53:57You one thing I'm curious to hear you know somebody who's had
- 53:59the kind of success that you've had, Shane, are there particular
- 54:02things that help to keep you on schedule, on target, centered,
- 54:09help you start your day different habits, routines that
- 54:14are are really instructive and helpful for you?
- 54:17Yeah, I think up until a couple years ago, I was one of those
- 54:20obnoxious people who didn't need to sleep very much.
- 54:23Like I'd literally be, you know, the last person had a function
- 54:27in the then the first person in the gym the next morning with
- 54:30like four or five hours in between.
- 54:33I, I think the routines are important to me and I'm, I'm
- 54:36not, you know, as young as I was several years ago that it's very
- 54:40important for me first thing in the morning.
- 54:42And it's still really early. It's, it's 4:30, it's five, it's
- 54:465:30. But it's still of some sort of
- 54:50reflection, whether that's a formal Bible study or a, or a
- 54:54just a quiet time to reflect a little bit and to pray or to
- 54:59just be quiet and silent and, and have peace.
- 55:02That's kind of why I've told my family forever.
- 55:05Like, why do you get up so early?
- 55:06It's because that's time that I don't have to feel guilty about
- 55:09anything. Like I'm not taking away from
- 55:11the family. Everybody else is asleep.
- 55:13I'm not taking away from my job. I'm not taking away from an
- 55:16organization that I'm working for.
- 55:18I'm taking, you know, if, if you look at debits and credits, I'm,
- 55:23I'm debiting out of my own, you know, bank to wake up at 4:30
- 55:27where a lot of people are waking up at 6:30, meaning like I can
- 55:31do whatever I want with that time.
- 55:32And, and so that's, I didn't start out as a, as a, you know,
- 55:36out of college as a like a real early bird, you know, wake up
- 55:40with a Roosters type of person. But I definitely am now.
- 55:43And because it allows me that devotional time, that Bible
- 55:46study, that prayer time, that quiet time.
- 55:48And then most days of the week, whether it's 5 or 6, sometimes 7
- 55:53is some form of exercise, whether that is a good lift or a
- 55:58good hike or, you know, kind of a, a run, walk or a quick jog,
- 56:02whatever that is. That helps me a tremendous
- 56:05amount. And then now, like even when I
- 56:08was that obnoxious person that, you know, got 4 hours of sleep a
- 56:11night, I never drank coffee like I had never had a couple years
- 56:15ago. I was like, hey, I like coffee
- 56:17ice cream. I like the smell of it.
- 56:18I'm tired of going to coffee meetings and having hot
- 56:20chocolate like a little kid or having a, having a bottle of
- 56:24water for the 10th time in the day that I really enjoy coffee.
- 56:27Now my wife makes a great French press and we have a couple
- 56:30minutes after I come home from the gym before I jump into my
- 56:34schedule where we have coffee together and it's a nice French
- 56:37press and we're sitting outside in Arizona.
- 56:39And, you know, it's, it's a nice way for us to, to be connected
- 56:42as well. So those routines back to answer
- 56:44your question directly, routines help me to stay, you know, very
- 56:50grounded. I noticed like when we go on
- 56:53vacation or we were at a family reunion last week, I almost can
- 56:57sense myself getting a wave. Like obviously you're not able
- 57:01to do all those things if you're running around with the family,
- 57:04you know, on vacation or with your in laws or whatever else
- 57:07and you're trying to do a lot of different things in the course
- 57:09of a day. But I can, I can feel the
- 57:11difference in myself. I can feel myself getting
- 57:13impatient. I can feel myself not thinking
- 57:15as clearly. I can feel myself, you know, not
- 57:18the best version of myself when I'm grounded in my routines and
- 57:22my foundations, especially in the morning, I'm good to go.
- 57:25I'm good to go. That's Shane Brown time you get
- 57:27up, you you have time for exercising personal reflection
- 57:31the the prayer it sounds like then you sort of ease your way
- 57:35into like social interaction. The coffee with your wife sounds
- 57:38like a a nice way to to kind of ease into that.
- 57:40That's beautiful. Just one more question for you,
- 57:44Shane. But before I ask you, I want to
- 57:45do 2 things. First of all, everyone
- 57:47listening, I want to ask you to pause just for a second.
- 57:50Go to your favorite podcast app, hit that follow button.
- 57:54I want you to continue to get more great interviews like we've
- 57:56had today with Shane Brown from Nurse IO.
- 57:59Shane, I also want to let people know the best way to either get
- 58:03in touch with you directly to follow your story or that of
- 58:07Nurse IO. What would that be?
- 58:09Yeah, Shane at nurseio.com is my e-mail address.
- 58:14I don't hide behind it. I I actually love hearing from
- 58:17people. And take a moment and just
- 58:20tailor your message to him, whatever it is.
- 58:22Sorry. Don't just say, hey, we want to
- 58:25sell you, you know, 50 acres in London.
- 58:27Like I that's not the business I'm in.
- 58:29So don't send me that e-mail. But LinkedIn, I think is no
- 58:34matter I was critical of the, the bombardment of the inbox,
- 58:38but I think the companies that care and the the people that
- 58:41have been experienced in different realms, it's still a
- 58:44really good forum for idea sharing and everything else on
- 58:49Twitter slash X, there's a nurse IO follow there.
- 58:53You know, there's, there's Facebook pages, but I think the
- 58:55best way is probably LinkedIn or to e-mail me directly or to be
- 58:59on X. That's great.
- 59:01Whether you're a facility or a clinician or you're just really
- 59:04interested on where staffing is going in the future, I'd love to
- 59:08love to be in touch. And we'll try to include links
- 59:12to all those things you just mentioned in the show notes for
- 59:14folks. So last question for you, Shane,
- 59:16you and I reconnect a year from now and you're really excited.
- 59:19You are celebrating some big thing.
- 59:21What's that big thing you're celebrating a year from now?
- 59:24Yeah, I think, I think the the launch into the 10 more markets
- 59:28is going to be fun. We're going to learn a lot.
- 59:31Hopefully we do more beneficial execution than distracting
- 59:36beneficial. But either way we'll learn a
- 59:37lot. The launch of our brand new
- 59:39software program is going to be more details to follow, but it
- 59:44is it's going to take the industry by store.
- 59:48What are we talking about here? What?
- 59:49What can you say at this point? Well, we're talking about it.
- 59:52A company that was built on an app that now will have a
- 59:56comprehensive suite on staff optimization tools.
- 1:00:00So we will no longer be a 1 trick pony.
- 1:00:02We will now be in a place to help people schedule, to help
- 1:00:06people credential, to help people to analyze their spend,
- 1:00:10to find, you know, the best and the brightest.
- 1:00:13All of those things are going to be in our new suite.
- 1:00:15And we're about to sign an agreement in the next couple
- 1:00:17weeks that is goes from a soft launch of our new software to
- 1:00:22prime time in in a few weeks time.
- 1:00:25So. When is this out right now?
- 1:00:27You said soft. No, the soft launch hasn't
- 1:00:30happened yet. Off launch is is happening, but
- 1:00:32just kind of really tight circle just to make sure that we we
- 1:00:36think it's as good as we are and the reviews are better than
- 1:00:39imagined. And so we're going from a very
- 1:00:41competitive marketplace because there's several companies that
- 1:00:45do what we do in terms of matchmaking and connecting
- 1:00:48clinicians with with healthcare facilities to truly helping
- 1:00:52hospitals and assisted living and all these facilities to
- 1:00:56staff better, to manage their spend, to appreciate their
- 1:01:00employees better, to genuinely help out in a lot bigger way.
- 1:01:04And oh, by the way, the app is still a tool, but it will be a
- 1:01:09part of a suite of tools rather than just one tool.
- 1:01:12My goodness, I feel like we buried the lead here, Shane,
- 1:01:15like that. That sounds pretty amazing.
- 1:01:17We're going to have to have you back on when that's been out in
- 1:01:20the market and we can talk about that a little bit more because
- 1:01:22that sounds. Good.
- 1:01:23Yeah, yeah. Excited about that.
- 1:01:25Well, Shane, Shane Brown from Nurse, I want to be the first to
- 1:01:28thank you for sharing both your time and your story with us
- 1:01:30today. I really appreciate it.
- 1:01:32Hey, I had fun Anthony, I appreciate the forum and it was
- 1:01:35really nice getting to know you. Folks, that's a wrap on another
- 1:01:38episode of the Inspired Stories podcast.
- 1:01:40Thanks for learning with us today.