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The Dark Forces that Run the World | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: So so.
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Speaker 2: My name is Jerm. This is Jerm Warfare, the battle
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Speaker 2: of ideas. I've gone blank now. What's her name? She
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Speaker 2: was in E.T. when she was like six years old.
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Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore. Yeah, that's right. That's right, right. You were
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Speaker 2: also like six years.
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Speaker 1: Old when you were in the movies. She's a much
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Speaker 1: bigger actress than I am. She's done a lot more
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Speaker 1: than I have. No, I mean, I wouldn't, how do
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Speaker 1: they say it? you're, you know, she's a dynasty. I was,
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Speaker 1: you know, I was put in, in films as a
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Speaker 1: baby and, you know, I, I wouldn't say I was
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Speaker 1: much of an actor at the time. I was just,
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Speaker 1: it was, you know, frankly, I was intimidated. I was
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Speaker 1: very shy as a kid. So, um, it was just
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Speaker 1: a task of memorizing lines and, you know, basically, you know,
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Speaker 1: saying them on set, I wasn't interested in necessarily being
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Speaker 1: an actor. Uh, at the time I, I enjoyed it
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Speaker 1: more as I got older. I think I, I embraced
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Speaker 1: that role more and I subsequently did, you know, did
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Speaker 1: act in a number of independent films. But yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I was just, you know, it was convenient for my
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Speaker 1: dad to be able to put me in films as,
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Speaker 1: you know, as a child and like The Doors and
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Speaker 1: Wall Street and Natural Born Killers and JFK.
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Speaker 2: It's not like it's putting you into like pop culture movies. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: like E.T. 's kind of pop culture, like JFK isn't. Well,
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Speaker 2: what is pop culture to you? That's a pretty good question.
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Speaker 2: That's a pretty good question. How would you define it?
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Speaker 1: I think pop culture is whatever catches, you know, whatever
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Speaker 1: catches and becomes popular, right?
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Speaker 2: That's the concept of pop culture.
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Speaker 1: So if you're saying pop culture is more like the
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Speaker 1: MTV version, I mean, of reality, I mean, Natural Born
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Speaker 1: Killers was was meant to kind of reflect that pop
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Speaker 1: culture and and was probably had, I think, at one
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Speaker 1: point had the most edits of any film. I think
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Speaker 1: we've probably passed that, you know, in the last decade
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Speaker 1: or so. But at the time in the nineties, you know,
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Speaker 1: Natural Born Killers was edited and constructed almost like, you know,
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Speaker 1: MTV style, many different almost, you know, like an expansive
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Speaker 1: music video, right? Many different formats, animation included. how many
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Speaker 1: million cuts in the film.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's, I don't know about a million, but hundreds of
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Speaker 1: thousands of cuts. I mean, it's a very, it has
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Speaker 1: a real pace to it at the time.
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Speaker 2: It was overwhelming.
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Speaker 1: Um, now you watch it and you're like, I think,
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Speaker 1: you know, with the nature of the modern day action
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Speaker 1: films and CGI films and whatnot, that, um, the paces
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Speaker 1: slowed down compared to where it was in 94 when
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Speaker 1: it came out and it was just like being on
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Speaker 1: a mushroom trip or something.
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Speaker 3: I think any sane person will know that the official
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Speaker 3: story is bunk. The magic bullet is ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: Listen, I mean, the establishment historians and media still embrace it.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to say that if it's because of sanity.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a sanity test. I think
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Speaker 1: it's more just a test of people's refusal to.
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Speaker 1: Know to think critically and to question things that embraced
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Speaker 1: you know whether it's the kennedy assassination or the 9
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Speaker 1: 11 conspiracy narrative of bin laden and his you know
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Speaker 1: 19 hijackers uh or um you know you name it
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Speaker 1: you go through any any story that's becomes becomes the
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Speaker 1: lore right by which government and its society and society functions.
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Speaker 2: Certainly the u.s from where i'm sitting dramatically changed after
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Speaker 2: the assassination of jfk well that was the.
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Speaker 1: Thesis of the film right the film jfk the thesis
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Speaker 1: that there was a coup d'etat that basically shifted us
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Speaker 1: to you know what you could call now the deep
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Speaker 1: state run um you know we used to be called
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Speaker 1: the secret government Um, there's may have been many names
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Speaker 1: for it, right.
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Speaker 2: But this idea of a national security state, right.
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Speaker 1: Which is what formed the CIA in the first place
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Speaker 1: and the national security agency. But this whole, you know,
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Speaker 1: 47 shift in post-war, uh, post world war two, it
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Speaker 1: was like, we never, we never shifted out of, out
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Speaker 1: of war, you know, from the point of, uh, the
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Speaker 1: second world war, we never shifted out of a war
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Speaker 1: of a, of a war society. And we shifted into
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Speaker 1: a national security society. And so that's the basis of
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Speaker 1: government secrecy to this day. Right. And a lot of, um,
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Speaker 1: at the point in the seventies, when there were church
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Speaker 1: committees and others that were starting to investigate, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: secret government actions like assassinations and coups and, um, mind
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Speaker 1: control and things like that. Uh, that's when I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of the national security state shifted into the
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Speaker 1: private sector. So there's this marriage, been a marriage really
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Speaker 1: of the enterprise in the 80s when they were running
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Speaker 1: the war, the Contra War, and they were working on
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Speaker 1: selling arms to Iran to fight, basically surreptitiously arming Iran
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Speaker 1: to fight Iraq, who we were also backing with a
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Speaker 1: lot of support, including chemical weapons and things like this.
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Speaker 1: The point is that a lot of the the government
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Speaker 1: started to work through what's called the military industrial complex
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Speaker 1: of private companies.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: So it was this marriage of the private sector so
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Speaker 1: that you could kind of hide behind these government, you know,
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Speaker 1: these these operate.
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Speaker 2: So you could hide these.
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Speaker 1: Operations kind of the way that Snowden, you know, was
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Speaker 1: working with Booz Allen Hamilton. Right. And it's like he
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Speaker 1: was it's like he was CIA, but he was also
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Speaker 1: Booz Allen Hamilton and NSA like and it was like
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Speaker 1: this kind of this interesting marriage of the private sector
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Speaker 1: with the government so that you could hide a lot
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Speaker 1: of the government operations as private security, private industries really
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Speaker 1: overseeing it.
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Speaker 3: But that's one of the big psychological operations I've found
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Speaker 3: in general discourse. It's this dichotomy between state versus private,
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Speaker 3: and private is better because it's private. But what people
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Speaker 3: forget is economic hitmen like John Perkins, who was on
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Speaker 3: my podcast, he worked for private companies, but he had
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Speaker 3: significant influence over various governments.
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Speaker 1: Well, you think about the nature of the trillions of
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Speaker 1: dollars of debt that the government has accumulated.
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Speaker 2: And, you know, where does that money go?
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Speaker 1: It goes into the private sector, right, to various companies
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Speaker 1: that are, you know, getting those contracts.
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Speaker 2: And, I mean, it was kind of a big deal
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Speaker 2: during the Iraq War.
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Speaker 1: It was like Halliburton, you know, which was tied to
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Speaker 1: Cheney and whatnot, and, like, getting these big government contracts.
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Speaker 1: The private security companies, you know, it was at one
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Speaker 1: point it was, I don't remember if it was more
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Speaker 1: private security people, but it was a huge amount of
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Speaker 1: people mercenary types, you know, that were being hired to fight,
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Speaker 1: you know, to basically to secure, you know, the U.S.
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Speaker 2: Facilities and operations, you know, in places like Iraq.
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, I mean, it's just it's an extension of
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Speaker 1: government power. I mean, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: like government still has the power in the sense that,
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Speaker 1: you know, they they write the laws and they police,
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Speaker 1: you know, they're supposed to be policing it. But obviously,
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Speaker 1: as we see, you know, with the Epstein story and
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Speaker 1: many other cases, it's like.
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Speaker 2: No one ever really, you know, who's above the law.
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Speaker 1: No one ever really goes, goes to prison or is
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Speaker 1: it say like those that are protected, you know, they
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Speaker 1: never really go to prison. Um, they can get away
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Speaker 1: with the crimes. You know, I mentioned the enterprise and
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Speaker 1: the Contra affair. It was like, you know, no one
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Speaker 1: really got punished for, for what was going on with their, uh,
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Speaker 1: their illegal, you know, their illegal support of the Contras
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Speaker 1: and even allowing the cocaine, if not participating in the
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Speaker 1: cocaine traffic that some of the conscious were doing. Um,
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a system where you have the government
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Speaker 1: ultimately as like the backstop that's protecting you. And then,
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Speaker 1: you know, giving you that privilege to then operate as
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Speaker 1: a big private corporation that's multinational. And as I said,
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Speaker 1: you know, making, you know, bidding billions of dollars ultimately
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Speaker 1: from government contracts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when you realize that the private-public partnerships
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Speaker 2: actually or what we're talking about, it changes the way
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Speaker 2: in which you view these things. You look at Elon Musk, right?
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Speaker 2: He comes across as a pretty great guy. But when
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Speaker 2: you see that, you know, SpaceX's biggest client is the U.S. government.
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Speaker 2: Of course. You don't go to space without permission from
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Speaker 2: the government. You don't get to operate, you know, privately. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: obviously an attempt to suppress critical thinking. The CIA weaponized
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Speaker 2: the term conspiracy theorist back in the 1960s already. And
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Speaker 2: they did a pretty good job at that because people
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Speaker 2: are so scared of going slightly off the path. Uh, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I saw it firsthand, you know, as a kid, um,
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Speaker 1: because really my dad was one of the first filmmakers
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Speaker 1: that was accused of being a conspiracy theorist, you know? And, uh,
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Speaker 1: certainly I think probably the most prominent filmmaker to be
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Speaker 1: accused of being a conspiracy theorist. And, um, the way
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Speaker 1: that they went after that film to try to, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, ridicule him, make it feel, you know, just
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Speaker 1: basically treat it like it's a fantasy or something, you know,
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Speaker 1: well-made fantasy. And I think all that is integral to
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Speaker 1: how they keep people in check, right? They keep you
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Speaker 1: in line by making you feel, you know, feel fear of,
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Speaker 1: it's cancel culture. I mean, cancel culture is literally the,
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Speaker 1: you know, the extension of what starts with the pejorative of,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're a conspiracy theorist or you're saying what
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Speaker 1: can't be said or you're, you know, you're thinking what
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Speaker 1: can't be thought, you know, the thought police essentially. It's
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Speaker 1: very Orwellian. And so cancel culture then becomes the extension
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Speaker 1: of it where they don't need to assassinate you nowadays. Rarely,
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Speaker 1: rarely a need to assassinate you. For the most part,
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Speaker 1: it's done through, you know, blacklisting you in different ways. But,
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Speaker 1: you know, from the public perspective from the perspective of
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Speaker 1: uh marketing and and media and whatnot they won't hire
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Speaker 1: you or they're like oh you're you know you're you're
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Speaker 1: you're too dangerous or whatnot um so yeah i saw
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Speaker 1: i saw that in the 90s essentially um and i
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Speaker 1: think it did affect my father's career because he he
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Speaker 1: embraced the role essentially and he started to then do
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Speaker 1: the you know do the interviews that were not supposed
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Speaker 1: to be allowed you know doing a documentary on castro
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Speaker 1: and on Chavez and on Putin.
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Speaker 2: And, um, you know, I think.
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Speaker 1: From the corporate perspective, it was, he became, you know,
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Speaker 1: he became dangerous.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if your dad is a lone ranger.
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Speaker 1: I think that most people in the system kind of
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Speaker 1: understand a system, right. They understand that it's a system and,
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Speaker 1: you know, you basically You know, you don't bite the
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Speaker 1: hand that feeds you.
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Speaker 3: Unless you're Jim Carrey and you mock them directly to
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Speaker 3: their faces.
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Speaker 1: Carrey, I think, you know, he's on more on a
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Speaker 1: spiritual path, it feels, right? He kind of take, he's
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Speaker 1: taken more of the spiritual approach and a bit more
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Speaker 1: of the, you know, the journey into consciousness. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: like in terms of you know, has it hurt his career?
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Speaker 1: I don't really know what his, what happened with him.
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Speaker 1: I think it was more him, his own personal decision
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Speaker 1: to like pursue his, you know, his own awakening that
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Speaker 1: he kind of stepped away from film. But, you know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of it is, you know, it is, it
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Speaker 1: is a market.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: And so, you know, for a certain point in the nineties,
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Speaker 1: Kerry was the most, you know, the biggest star in
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Speaker 1: the world, whatever he was, you know, uh, making like
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Speaker 1: 20 mil of film or something.
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Speaker 2: And just like everyone, you know, you hit your peak.
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Speaker 1: And, and, you know, you may not last in the limelight,
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Speaker 1: you have to figure out how to, you know, reimagine
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Speaker 1: yourself or how to shift or, you know, whatever, you know,
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Speaker 1: you create your own production company, you start producing a
14:06
Speaker 1: lot of actors do that, right, they become producers. Because
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Speaker 1: it's very difficult to sustain as a star for, you know,
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Speaker 1: like Tom Cruise has been able to do, you know,
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Speaker 1: across almost 40 years. That's, you know, that's very rare, right?
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Speaker 1: I guess it is 40 years now. Most stars have
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Speaker 1: a certain peak, you know, limelight, let's call it, right?
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Speaker 1: And then they need to, you know, shift into something
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Speaker 1: else or they, you know, whatever, their interests change. So
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Speaker 1: I don't know that Cary necessarily like mocks the system
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Speaker 1: so much. I think that he's said a few things,
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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't call him like a real rabble rouser
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Speaker 1: when it comes to like, you know, making movies that
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Speaker 1: are provocative.
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Speaker 2: I think that frankly, I would say, you know, it's,
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Speaker 2: it's unfortunate.
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Speaker 1: Most, most people in Hollywood haven't, you know, but then
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Speaker 1: you hear stories like they were going to do a
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Speaker 1: movie about like Oklahoma city bombing, for example, that was
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Speaker 1: going to actually challenge the official narrative. And I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to think, I can't, I can't remember who was going
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Speaker 1: to do it. It was a, it was a big
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Speaker 1: director that was going to do it. And this was
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Speaker 1: like 10 years ago or so. or maybe even, actually
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Speaker 1: maybe even before maybe it had been 2012 when they
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Speaker 1: were going to do it, they were going to make it.
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Speaker 2: And essentially, you know, it just, they couldn't get the
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Speaker 2: financing together. Who knows?
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Speaker 1: I don't know the story of, you know, whether the
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Speaker 1: studio shut it down or what have you. But these
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Speaker 1: are the kind of things that you see where there's
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Speaker 1: like a system that won't allow you to make these
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Speaker 1: films unless you do it independently and you make it
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Speaker 1: as a budget, right? It's very hard to get the
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Speaker 1: financing together for these things that are very controversial, like
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Speaker 1: JFK was. I think my dad could do it because
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Speaker 1: he was at a point where he had just won
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Speaker 1: three Oscars and was kind of at the peak. And
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Speaker 1: he chose then to use his, you know, to use
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Speaker 1: his power as a filmmaker to be able to get
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Speaker 1: a cast to make a movie that was highly controversial.
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Speaker 2: But I would say that was like, you know, really like.
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Speaker 1: It was difficult for him to leverage those kind of
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Speaker 1: films thereafter. And, you know, again, it's just getting the
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Speaker 1: system to actually, like, sneak through the system is hard.
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Speaker 1: You have to have a certain amount of, you know,
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Speaker 1: soft power, right.
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Speaker 2: To do it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I mentioned Jim Carrey, I suppose, because I've
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Speaker 3: set the bar pretty low. You know, you see one
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Speaker 3: comment and you go, oh, there we go, there we go.
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Speaker 3: Because you're so desperate for somebody in Hollywood to, you
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Speaker 3: know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: To say something. Yeah, totally. Everyone's afraid. Everyone's afraid, you know? No,
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Speaker 2: I say everyone's afraid. You know, everyone's afraid.
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Speaker 1: Remember when Randy Quaid came out and was basically saying,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think that, you know, people like Heath
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Speaker 1: Ledger and these others were killed, you know, essentially. He
17:05
Speaker 1: kind of called it like a mafia kind of, you know,
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Speaker 1: hits that were, you know, the people he would say,
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Speaker 1: like the managers, the accountants, the lawyers, the people that
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Speaker 1: were feasting on the wealth of these people. Essentially, he
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Speaker 1: was suggesting that they took Heath and others out. Randy
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Speaker 1: was called a crazy person. I think he's in Canada now.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's back in the States.
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Speaker 1: It's difficult to challenge the system and actually survive that
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Speaker 1: without being canceled.
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Speaker 2: Is it worth it? There's a movie on Apple now
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Speaker 2: about the moon, the Apollo mission. I'm trying to think
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Speaker 2: of the name. It's got Channing Tatum in it. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Fly Me to the Moon. And I watched that and
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Speaker 2: I thought, what? They're kind of making a comment. It
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Speaker 2: was a self-reveal. It was a self-reveal.
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Speaker 1: It was like they revealed that they did fake the footage,
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Speaker 1: but then they decided that... you know, because they're so moral,
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Speaker 1: they decided to proceed with the mission and achieve the mission.
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Speaker 1: So they didn't need to show, they didn't need to
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Speaker 1: broadcast the fake one.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And of course, Woody Harrelson as the, as the, as
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Speaker 3: the clown character, you know, they make him completely bonkers
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Speaker 3: so that it's not really believable.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. He was CIA, right. Or something. He was, he was, uh,
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Speaker 2: he was into, yeah, he was like three letter agency guy. And, uh, Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: It's like a soft closure where you then upend it
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Speaker 1: and you say like, yeah, we shot it, but we
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Speaker 1: didn't show it.
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Speaker 2: But that's the first Apollo movie that I can remember
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Speaker 2: that's actually questioned the official narrative to some degree.
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Speaker 1: The first half was great. I thought the first half
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Speaker 1: of the film was fantastic. It had a great pace.
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Speaker 1: It was discussing exactly some of the problems with the mission.
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Speaker 2: The fact that... that they had all these failures.
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Speaker 1: And including the one that was a disaster where, what
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Speaker 1: was his name? Gus, the great, he was, you know,
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Speaker 1: he was a great pilot and he was going to be,
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Speaker 1: was it Grissom? I think Gus Grissom died in that explosion, right?
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Speaker 2: The fire. Do you remember this? Yeah. Apollo one, I think.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Don't know if it was one, but it was
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Speaker 1: essentially one of the first it was like he was
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Speaker 1: Gus Grissom was going to be the guy to go
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Speaker 1: to space. Basically, he was and he died in a
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Speaker 1: fire that I think they show in the film. But
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of suspicion around that, that it was
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Speaker 1: actually a sabotage because Gus Grissom wasn't going to go
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Speaker 1: along with the Masonic because all these guys were masons
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Speaker 1: that ultimately became the pilots to go there. And so there's,
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Speaker 1: you know, the belief that there was a Masonic conspiracy
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Speaker 1: of silence to basically that these guys went along with
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Speaker 1: the narrative about going and traveling to the moon. And
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Speaker 1: Grissom was not going to go along with that narrative.
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Speaker 1: He was actually saying this, you know, we're not going
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Speaker 1: to make it to the moon in these craft, you know,
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Speaker 1: that there were so many problems and setbacks that they'd
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Speaker 1: been having with the program.
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Speaker 2: And then he was killed in that fire.
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Speaker 1: So again, the first half of the film does present
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Speaker 1: the problems that NASA was facing and why they would
20:21
Speaker 1: have had to shoot a film version, a fake version.
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Speaker 1: But then the film goes sideways into this kind of
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Speaker 1: nostalgia and beauty of, you know, we're going to make
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Speaker 1: it to the moon. You got to believe, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: Bart Sabrell was on my podcast and he said that
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Speaker 3: that fire was deliberate.
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Speaker 1: That's my point. Sabrell is the guy that really goes
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Speaker 1: into some of this. Moon Man is his latest book,
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Speaker 1: I think.
20:52
Speaker 2: It's good.
20:52
Speaker 1: I mean, he presents a lot of evidence that I
20:56
Speaker 1: think has to be, you know, you have to look critically.
21:00
Speaker 1: at the NASA story and how much of the NASA story,
21:03
Speaker 1: you know, as we've seen over the years, like they
21:04
Speaker 1: doctor footage that, you know, gets presented in pictures and
21:07
Speaker 1: things like this. We know that they doctor, right, to
21:11
Speaker 1: pictures that are shown. I think that there's evidence that
21:15
Speaker 1: they doctor to just showing anomalies on the moon, for example, or,
21:18
Speaker 1: you know, other sites, you know, that they want to
21:20
Speaker 1: control essentially the story that gets shown to the American
21:25
Speaker 1: public of what's out there because they would have evidence of,
21:28
Speaker 1: I think of, you know, alien activity or something that's anomalous,
21:32
Speaker 1: the anomalous activity on the moon.
21:34
Speaker 2: Uh, but Sean, we all saw, uh, Nixon talking on
21:37
Speaker 2: the phone to, to Neil Armstrong. Yeah, I know.
21:42
Speaker 1: It's, it's, uh, it's pretty funny, isn't it? It's pretty wild.
21:45
Speaker 2: It's hard enough to get it.
21:46
Speaker 1: It's hard enough connection, you know, uh, across, you know,
21:50
Speaker 1: across the world sometimes, you know, uh, on a, on
21:53
Speaker 1: a call, but across, uh, How many miles of space?
21:56
Speaker 2: Now, you've also spoken on 9-11. Now, actually, as we
22:00
Speaker 2: record this, it's very close to, what, 25 years? 25 years.
22:08
Speaker 2: And still, the official narrative persists. I mean, any normal,
22:13
Speaker 2: sane person by now should be asking questions. Yeah, it's a.
22:22
Speaker 1: Devastating one. 9-11 was very devastating to the psyche. It was,
22:26
Speaker 1: I call it like a mass ritual, right? It was
22:31
Speaker 1: designed to traumatize the American people very much the way
22:34
Speaker 1: that the Kennedy assassination was a trauma for the American
22:38
Speaker 1: people and the American public. And these events, Pearl Harbor
22:43
Speaker 1: before it, it's like these events are, they are generational.
22:48
Speaker 2: Mind control techniques.
22:51
Speaker 1: Because it becomes like this event that forms a narrative,
22:56
Speaker 1: a national narrative around, you know, we will never forget 9-11.
23:01
Speaker 1: We're going to fight the terrorists and remember like all
23:04
Speaker 1: the rhetoric and the days that followed.
23:06
Speaker 2: You know, we're going to fight them everywhere. But it's
23:08
Speaker 2: not just the terrorists. It's not just the terrorists. Sorry
23:10
Speaker 2: for jumping in. But it's those brown people with beards. Well.
23:17
Speaker 1: In this case, yes. You know, I think that, you know,
23:24
Speaker 1: COVID had a similar effect, by the way. I mentioned
23:26
Speaker 1: like the generational thing. It's like there was the, you know, Kennedy,
23:29
Speaker 1: there was 9-11, then there was COVID, which was again like,
23:32
Speaker 1: you know, the invisible enemy, you know, the germ that
23:35
Speaker 1: can be anywhere that you can spread and anyone can
23:38
Speaker 1: have it. Anyone can be a carrier. You know, it's
23:40
Speaker 1: very similar psychological tactics to the fear propagated in 9-11
23:45
Speaker 1: and thereafter. Um, you know, I always felt at the time,
23:50
Speaker 1: even I was 16 at the time and, uh, I
23:54
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily question the events at the right away.
23:58
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't question the narrative right away.
24:01
Speaker 1: I looked at it more like, Hmm, askance in a
24:06
Speaker 1: sense of, I wasn't, I didn't feel like the fear
24:09
Speaker 1: that a lot of people felt because I felt, you know,
24:12
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to scare the American public, a
24:15
Speaker 1: dozen explosions across the country.
24:18
Speaker 2: Would have been much more terrifying.
24:20
Speaker 1: If you're thinking from Bin Laden's perspective or whatever, like
24:26
Speaker 1: an actual terrorist, a dozen bombers on buses and malls,
24:34
Speaker 1: shopping malls, and small incidents of explosions actually would have scared,
24:42
Speaker 1: I think, us as civilians a lot more. At least
24:46
Speaker 1: from my perspective, I guess other people were frightened by it.
24:49
Speaker 1: But to me, it was so calculated and precise in
24:56
Speaker 1: terms of the targeting of these towers coming down, of
25:01
Speaker 1: the Pentagon getting hit, that when I started reading some
25:04
Speaker 1: of the books, I think, what's his name? Ahmed, The
25:09
Speaker 1: War on Freedom. Ahmed's book, The War on Freedom, was
25:11
Speaker 1: the first one I read a couple years after. And
25:15
Speaker 1: I thought, wow, there's a lot of really important points
25:17
Speaker 1: that are hit here that make sense. Because I did
25:20
Speaker 1: always wonder about the ability for the targeting of the Pentagon.
25:24
Speaker 2: A lot of people were like... Come on, there's no
25:27
Speaker 2: plane wreckage. Well, not just that, but like, come on,
25:31
Speaker 2: the Pentagon?
25:31
Speaker 1: Really? These guys hijacked a plane and hit the Pentagon?
25:35
Speaker 1: This is the military head? And then you start realizing
25:37
Speaker 1: that there was no planes scrambled for like, oh, is
25:40
Speaker 1: it like almost an hour? And you're like, come on,
25:42
Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense. This is not how we work. Plus,
25:46
Speaker 1: I had been in Somalia, Somaliland, in the summer before,
25:51
Speaker 1: in 2001. And in July, we got warnings coming in
25:57
Speaker 1: from State Department, basically warning about potential terror attacks. It
26:03
Speaker 1: was like, I think they mentioned bin Laden, but essentially
26:05
Speaker 1: it was like the Al-Qaeda networks were saying, uh, preparing
26:08
Speaker 1: attacks and there was a, you know, concern for citizens,
26:10
Speaker 1: for Americans in places like some islands. So, you know,
26:15
Speaker 1: we had a little bit of a heads up in
26:16
Speaker 1: the sense of, okay, something might be brewing. Um, so yeah,
26:21
Speaker 1: for me, it wasn't, it wasn't difficult to really question
26:25
Speaker 1: the 9 11 narrative. Once I started looking at some
26:27
Speaker 1: of the evidence and over the years thereafter, I mean, obviously,
26:31
Speaker 1: as you know, I've interviewed people on shows like buzzsaw,
26:36
Speaker 1: Jesse Ventura did some good work on his conspiracy theory,
26:39
Speaker 1: but a lot of people that were critical thinkers understood
26:42
Speaker 1: that it didn't make sense about the three towers, especially
26:46
Speaker 1: the third tower coming down all at near free fall speed.
26:50
Speaker 1: You know, you just think about the nature of if you,
26:53
Speaker 1: you know, A, even piloting those planes into the buildings,
26:58
Speaker 1: keeping that speed at that level, when you're only 1,000
27:01
Speaker 1: feet in the air, keeping a plane going that fast,
27:05
Speaker 1: and then being able to penetrate a steel building. Then
27:08
Speaker 1: you look at the Empire State Building got hit right
27:11
Speaker 1: after World War II. The Empire State Building got hit
27:14
Speaker 1: by a bomber, a World War II bomber, and it
27:18
Speaker 1: didn't collapse. That's the Empire State Building. So, you know,
27:23
Speaker 1: you just start to look at the anomalies and just
27:26
Speaker 1: the story doesn't make sense.
27:29
Speaker 2: Did you see that? Was it a CNN interview with
27:31
Speaker 2: Gaddafi where they asked him about 9-11 and he immediately
27:35
Speaker 2: said this was basically an American operation?
27:41
Speaker 1: I mean, the Egyptian president at the time, I think
27:43
Speaker 1: it was, what was his name? Mubarak, was it Mubarak?
27:49
Speaker 2: Anyway, he was.
27:51
Speaker 1: He previously was in the Air Force, right? And he's like,
27:56
Speaker 1: as a pilot, there's no way they pulled off that
27:59
Speaker 1: descent to hit the Pentagon. It's like the angle of descent,
28:04
Speaker 1: like a dive bomber, right? And then hitting the Pentagon
28:07
Speaker 1: at near ground level to keep it at near ground
28:09
Speaker 1: level and the speed, because you wouldn't maintain speed at
28:12
Speaker 1: that level, right? I mean, anyone knows when you're coming
28:14
Speaker 1: in for landing, you have to decrease speed. It's like
28:20
Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to sustain speed at
28:21
Speaker 1: that level.
28:24
Speaker 2: There was an engineer inside Boeing who I believe... remain anonymous.
28:31
Speaker 3: And he said that those planes cannot fly at that
28:35
Speaker 3: speed so low. They'll break apart. The plane is designed
28:40
Speaker 3: to stop that from happening.
28:41
Speaker 2: But have you heard of Judy Wood? I had her
28:44
Speaker 2: on my podcast.
28:45
Speaker 1: Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory episode focused on her. She was
28:49
Speaker 1: one of the main people that he talked with.
28:51
Speaker 2: What do you make of her argument? I think we
28:56
Speaker 2: can't get.
29:00
Speaker 2: You can get lost in the arguments over what it was, right?
29:03
Speaker 1: Whether it was rigged with thermite, advanced energy weapons, whether
29:09
Speaker 1: there were planes or not, whether the planes were CGI,
29:13
Speaker 1: you know, holographic creations.
29:16
Speaker 2: You have to recognize you're looking at a magic act.
29:19
Speaker 1: And unless you're talking to the magician, you know, we
29:22
Speaker 1: can all speculate how the magic act was done, but
29:25
Speaker 1: we have to just acknowledge that it's not the way
29:28
Speaker 1: that they told us it was. And so I don't
29:30
Speaker 1: get too caught up in the how, I just look at, okay,
29:35
Speaker 1: this is interesting, this is evidence, this is evidence, you know,
29:37
Speaker 1: you start to put it together. i'm not in a
29:40
Speaker 1: position to speculate as to exactly how it was done
29:42
Speaker 1: with kennedy you know with jfk it's like.
29:45
Speaker 2: But you do know yeah but you do conclude that
29:48
Speaker 2: the you do you do conclude that the official story
29:51
Speaker 2: just doesn't work It's like forensics.
29:53
Speaker 1: Remember, they didn't even do forensics on the World Trade
29:56
Speaker 1: Center because they shipped the rebel off to China. Do
29:59
Speaker 1: you remember that? There was no forensics. You've got to
30:01
Speaker 1: look at forensics. That's always the point. And if forensics
30:04
Speaker 1: are doctored, as with the JFK assassination, where they take
30:09
Speaker 1: the forensics away from the Texas, from Dallas, and the
30:13
Speaker 1: initial indications that Kennedy was hit from the front and
30:17
Speaker 1: the exit wound was from the back, and then you
30:19
Speaker 1: shift the forensics to Bethesda, where you're under a military
30:25
Speaker 1: team that's overseeing the forensics, the autopsy. So it's like
30:29
Speaker 1: you've manipulated the forensics. And just like a murder, just
30:32
Speaker 1: like a crime, you always have to look at the forensics.
30:35
Speaker 1: That's to me, that's just what any detective has to do,
30:39
Speaker 1: is look at the evidence of the, what we're looking.
30:42
Speaker 2: At, look at the body. And in RFK assassination, the
30:46
Speaker 2: same problem.
30:47
Speaker 1: We did the documentary RFK Legacy, Um, where we, you know,
30:53
Speaker 1: we look at RFK senior and, you know, his role
30:57
Speaker 1: with JFK and how, you know, and how important he
30:59
Speaker 1: was in the JFK presidency and then how he overcame
31:02
Speaker 1: the depression after his brother was killed and suspecting that
31:05
Speaker 1: there was a conspiracy to kill his brother and then
31:08
Speaker 1: runs for president in 68. And then he is shot
31:10
Speaker 1: down and they, they blame it on Sirhan Sirhan, who
31:14
Speaker 1: was clearly under mind control. And, uh, Sirhan was about
31:18
Speaker 1: six feet in front of RFK. But the forensics indicate
31:22
Speaker 1: that RFK was killed because every bullet that hit him,
31:26
Speaker 1: and I think it was four shots that were directed
31:30
Speaker 1: at him, three hit, I think one missed. But they
31:33
Speaker 1: all came from the back. And the kill shot came
31:36
Speaker 1: from about an inch behind the ear. So the forensics
31:42
Speaker 1: don't correlate to the alleged assassin. And this is always
31:47
Speaker 1: the issue to me. It's like the forensics get either
31:50
Speaker 1: doctored They get manipulated. Forensics with the Pentagon, it's like
31:55
Speaker 1: the same issue. You don't see the evidence of the
31:58
Speaker 1: plane in that hit. The Pentagon never releases the footage.
32:06
Speaker 1: All these years later, remember, they came out and they said,
32:08
Speaker 1: we're going to finally show you the footage, and then
32:09
Speaker 1: they show you the explosion, but there's no actual video
32:13
Speaker 1: of a plane hitting the building. I mean, it's like
32:16
Speaker 1: they just... So the forensics get doctored, manipulated... And you
32:22
Speaker 1: can't believe the story then. It's like no good detective
32:25
Speaker 1: is going to believe a story where the forensics don't
32:28
Speaker 1: match to the alleged assassin or the suspect.
32:33
Speaker 3: Even Charlie Cook, I don't know if you've spoken about him,
32:36
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you hunt, but I've got a. 308,
32:40
Speaker 3: which is basically pretty much the same caliber as what
32:43
Speaker 3: was allegedly used. And there's no exit wound. And I
32:46
Speaker 3: can tell you right now that that does leave an
32:49
Speaker 3: exit wound. The story with Charlie Kirk doesn't make sense.
32:55
Speaker 2: No.
32:56
Speaker 1: But see, the weird thing with Charlie Kirk is, I swear,
32:58
Speaker 1: the first time I saw the video when it first happened,
33:01
Speaker 1: I saw blood pouring out of Charlie Kirk.
33:03
Speaker 2: I also saw that, yes. I saw blood pouring out
33:07
Speaker 2: of him.
33:08
Speaker 1: So how can there be no exit wound if we
33:12
Speaker 1: saw that video, unless that was a fake video that
33:14
Speaker 1: was circulating? I mean, it's just like, nowadays, you never
33:17
Speaker 1: know what's real and what's fake with videos.
33:18
Speaker 2: But that was the first video I remember seeing.
33:21
Speaker 1: So... Again, the manipulation of the forensics, you know, people
33:28
Speaker 1: get lost in the weeds on all these other issues.
33:33
Speaker 2: But if you can't know the forensics, you can't know
33:36
Speaker 2: the killer.
33:37
Speaker 3: Almost every one of these major incidents seems to, at
33:42
Speaker 3: some point, point to a very small country in the
33:46
Speaker 3: Middle East.
33:48
Speaker 2: Sure, we know that. I think.
33:52
Speaker 1: There's always, look, you have to look at that nexus
33:57
Speaker 1: of intelligence. Mossad, CIA, MI6, you know, these guys working together,
34:05
Speaker 1: or is Mossad infiltrating certain things? I mean, certainly when
34:09
Speaker 1: it comes to the Islamic world, of course Mossad has
34:11
Speaker 1: infiltrated so much of the Muslim world, and so when
34:15
Speaker 1: you get these Muslim terrorists Yes, you always have to
34:18
Speaker 1: suspect Mossad infiltration.
34:21
Speaker 2: If not, you know, it's likewise on my six. I mean,
34:23
Speaker 2: I go back to what Robin Cook said.
34:25
Speaker 1: You know, Robin Cook was a foreign minister for England
34:28
Speaker 1: at one point, the UK. And, you know, famously, he
34:32
Speaker 1: said Al-Qaeda was a database, which is what actually makes sense.
34:37
Speaker 1: Think about Al-Qaeda means the base. He said it was
34:40
Speaker 1: a database of names of Mujahideen. Because remember what was
34:45
Speaker 1: done in the 80s was a huge operation in Afghanistan,
34:49
Speaker 1: bringing these jihadis, these holy warriors from around the Islamic world,
34:55
Speaker 1: from the Philippines, from North Africa, from the Middle East,
35:00
Speaker 1: all over the world, to fight against the Soviet infidels.
35:08
Speaker 1: And who was managing that? CIA, Saudi intelligence, MI6, And
35:16
Speaker 1: I'm sure the Israelis would have been monitoring this or
35:20
Speaker 1: involved in some capacity, but the point being that that
35:23
Speaker 1: database of fighters, of mujahideen fighters, became al-Qaeda. And these guys, al-Qaeda,
35:33
Speaker 1: show up as our allies in a lot of the conflicts,
35:37
Speaker 1: in most of the conflicts thereafter, whether it was against Libya,
35:41
Speaker 1: It's just coincidence. Exactly. They show up as our allies
35:45
Speaker 1: against Gaddafi in Libya. In fact, Gaddafi is the guy
35:48
Speaker 1: that puts out the Interpol warrant on bin Laden because
35:52
Speaker 1: he's like, these guys are trying to kill me. But
35:55
Speaker 1: he was our enemy, so we were working with these guys.
35:58
Speaker 1: That's why bin Laden had a home in Wimbledon. Was
36:00
Speaker 1: it Wimbledon, I think? Maybe not Wimbledon, but he had
36:02
Speaker 1: a home in England until like 1996. You know, all
36:07
Speaker 1: these guys are, and then they're operating as our allies
36:09
Speaker 1: in Bosnia against the Serbs. You know, all over the world,
36:14
Speaker 1: these Al-Qaeda guys, these, you know, they are basically our mercenaries,
36:19
Speaker 1: you know, that we're using. And, of course, you know,
36:22
Speaker 1: Mossad had infiltrated a lot of these people, and that's why,
36:25
Speaker 1: you know, the whole story on 9-11 becomes, well, Mossad
36:28
Speaker 1: was monitoring the hijackers, and they knew what was going on,
36:34
Speaker 1: but they just didn't tell us.
36:36
Speaker 2: Okay.
36:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we have to then believe that 19 Arabs
36:41
Speaker 1: hijacked the planes, piloted them perfectly, except for that last
36:45
Speaker 1: one that somehow got shot down, but there's very little
36:49
Speaker 1: evidence of what happened to that plane either. And these
36:52
Speaker 1: pilots perfectly hit their targets, and the Mossad was just watching. Meanwhile,
36:57
Speaker 1: we know that they had They had a setup on
37:00
Speaker 1: the 91st floor of one of the towers under their
37:04
Speaker 1: art students that were doing an art project on the
37:06
Speaker 1: 91st floor.
37:07
Speaker 2: So who am I going to look at?
37:08
Speaker 1: Am I going to look at the guys that are
37:09
Speaker 1: on the 91st floor that are working for intelligence at
37:11
Speaker 1: the target? I'm going to look at those guys because
37:13
Speaker 1: they have a much closer location. If you want to
37:16
Speaker 1: make sure that those towers come down, they're in the
37:19
Speaker 1: right position. The hijacker is good luck. You're lucky enough
37:22
Speaker 1: to hit the building in the first place, as we
37:25
Speaker 1: talked about. And then, oh, magically, three towers all collapse
37:30
Speaker 1: at the almost exact same rate of free fall. Wow.
37:34
Speaker 2: That's like hitting three holes in one with two balls. Yeah.
37:40
Speaker 1: So the third tower, you got two balls that hit
37:43
Speaker 1: three holes in one, you know, on two shots, by
37:46
Speaker 1: the way, you know, so these are perfect shots. These
37:48
Speaker 1: are not just, this is like extremely talented people here.
37:52
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, the Pentagon hit. So what
37:56
Speaker 1: am I going to believe? Am I going to believe
37:57
Speaker 1: that the guys that are actually in the towers on
37:59
Speaker 1: the 91st floor might be having more to do with
38:02
Speaker 1: that operation? and then the guys that are caught dancing
38:05
Speaker 1: and celebrating, watching the operation, who are Israeli, that they
38:09
Speaker 1: might have something to say, yeah, I'm gonna suspect them.
38:12
Speaker 2: And then people go, well, the Saudis were involved. Of
38:14
Speaker 2: course the Saudis were involved.
38:16
Speaker 1: But do you really think that Bandar Bush, who was
38:20
Speaker 1: the Saudi prince, who's literally so close to the Bush family,
38:23
Speaker 1: they called him Bandar Bush. Are we really going to
38:25
Speaker 1: believe that this Saudi guy was really trying to take
38:28
Speaker 1: out the towers because he hates America? Or do you
38:31
Speaker 1: think that he's doing this as part of an operation
38:33
Speaker 1: that is actually serving our interest? I'm going to believe
38:38
Speaker 1: that if the Saudis are involved, they're doing it because
38:40
Speaker 1: they're serving our interests. The Saudis are not involved because
38:43
Speaker 1: they hate America and they wanted to see the towers
38:45
Speaker 1: come down.
38:46
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
38:46
Speaker 1: The Saudis have huge military contracts with us. At that time,
38:52
Speaker 1: they were protectors in the Middle East. Remember, the whole
38:54
Speaker 1: reason that we went to war in 1991 against Saddam
38:58
Speaker 1: was to protect Saudi Arabia because Saddam had just taken Kuwait, right?
39:01
Speaker 1: And then our whole pitch was... Our whole pitch was,
39:05
Speaker 1: you know, hey, we know Saddam hates the Saudis. He's
39:07
Speaker 1: going to come for you guys next. So you think
39:09
Speaker 1: the Saudis are going to turn around and be like, yeah,
39:11
Speaker 1: let's bomb the Americans? No, the Saudis have no motivation
39:15
Speaker 1: to bomb us. They have every motivation to continue their massive,
39:20
Speaker 1: you know, contracts with our military, selling oil to us
39:23
Speaker 1: and whatnot. I mean, it's just, it's so wild, this
39:27
Speaker 1: idea that the Saudis, you know, as we know, we're
39:30
Speaker 1: involved with with with the terrorists. We're doing this because
39:34
Speaker 1: they hated America. It's like Bandar Bush was so close
39:37
Speaker 1: to the Bush family, that was his nickname, Bandar Bush.
39:39
Speaker 1: He was Bandar bin Sultan, I believe. So again, it's like, no.
39:43
Speaker 1: Look at who actually benefits from any event, as you know.
39:48
Speaker 3: Do the Masons benefit from any of this? And I'm
39:51
Speaker 3: asking because you were initiated into Freemasonry. But Masonry as
39:56
Speaker 3: a whole, this is a spiritual war, okay? that you're
40:02
Speaker 3: talking about when it gets to a higher level. When
40:06
Speaker 3: we talk about mundane things, I think masons are involved,
40:10
Speaker 3: of course. Masons are historically very involved with politics. A
40:15
Speaker 3: lot of people.
40:18
Speaker 1: Are initiated, whether it's masonry is one aspect, or whether
40:21
Speaker 1: it's the Knights of Malta, or various other orders and sects,
40:27
Speaker 1: the Knights of the Golden Fleece. There's countless of these
40:29
Speaker 1: secret orders. The people involved with them, of course, have,
40:37
Speaker 1: you know, spiritual beliefs, maybe about the, you know, maybe
40:41
Speaker 1: about the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple. Maybe that, you know,
40:44
Speaker 1: they perceive this as like, you know, some kind of,
40:48
Speaker 1: you know, like a battle that will ultimately move us towards,
40:52
Speaker 1: you know, to one world government.
40:54
Speaker 2: Maybe that's, you know, maybe that's their belief. I don't know.
40:56
Speaker 1: I would just say that we, you know, we know
40:58
Speaker 1: masonry has been very influential and powerful. throughout modern history
41:04
Speaker 1: in terms of the politicians and the people that are
41:06
Speaker 1: initiated into it, even kings and queens and whatnot, not queens,
41:12
Speaker 1: I guess, but even kings and dukes and princes are
41:14
Speaker 1: initiated into it. So you look at the people involved
41:17
Speaker 1: and their ability to keep secrets, of course. That's the
41:20
Speaker 1: nature of power. If you can't keep secrets, people like
41:24
Speaker 1: me are very difficult to really belong to these orders
41:27
Speaker 1: because You know, I'm out here trying to seek truth
41:32
Speaker 1: and communicate what I discover. So, you know, it's very
41:36
Speaker 1: hard for me to be part of a secret order. But,
41:39
Speaker 1: you know, people are looking for power. Secret orders are
41:41
Speaker 1: fantastic because then, you know, you learn, you understand the
41:45
Speaker 1: system of power and you realize that fraternities and these things,
41:49
Speaker 1: you know, require oaths and secrecy and you protect each
41:51
Speaker 1: other as a result.
41:55
Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned masonry going back centuries and there
41:59
Speaker 2: is a connection to black nobility because you've spoken before
42:03
Speaker 2: also about bloodlines going back to Rome. Well, not just Rome. No, no.
42:09
Speaker 2: Go back forever.
42:11
Speaker 1: Go back to the fallen ones and the story of,
42:14
Speaker 1: you know, of the Anunnaki or the watchers copulating with
42:17
Speaker 1: women and having select bloodlines. Yeah.
42:21
Speaker 2: It's ancient.
42:22
Speaker 1: Even the story, I mean, look, line story i mean
42:28
Speaker 1: really what is it it's the story of jehovah being
42:30
Speaker 1: one of the sky gods of the time anunnaki's that
42:33
Speaker 1: you know before that in sumeria would say like you
42:35
Speaker 1: know my people whatever each city would worship a different
42:37
Speaker 1: god you know this this was marduk and that city
42:41
Speaker 1: is uh worshiping um onki or whatever so when jehovah
42:46
Speaker 1: is coming and saying you are my bloodline you are
42:48
Speaker 1: my people you are my blood we have a contract
42:51
Speaker 1: and the contract is circumcision that's a blood contract with
42:53
Speaker 1: your understand that's a blood contract with your person i think.
42:57
Speaker 2: Genesis 6 talks about giants also.
43:00
Speaker 1: Of course that's the old nephilim because they were the
43:04
Speaker 1: ones the progeny of the uh the watchers apparently right
43:08
Speaker 1: in the corner book of enoch these are the the
43:10
Speaker 1: watchers that came that came from the heavens and procreated and.
43:14
Speaker 2: Gave birth to giants that's at least one of the
43:17
Speaker 2: stories and that bloodline is what you're referring to all
43:21
Speaker 2: the way then to Rome, which would be the black nobility,
43:24
Speaker 2: for example, and then to where we are today. I
43:27
Speaker 2: don't know if it's one bloodline. I think it's multiple. Multiple, yeah.
43:30
Speaker 1: But, you know, Rome said there were writings in the
43:35
Speaker 1: Romans of the, I think it was like about 50
43:38
Speaker 1: to 100 AD, there were writings about.
43:43
Speaker 2: How much.
43:45
Speaker 1: Babylon and the old Babylonian and Assyrian empires had already
43:49
Speaker 1: mingled with Rome. And they were saying, like, we've been basically, we've,
43:54
Speaker 1: the Romans have already been infiltrated by the bloodlines of
43:56
Speaker 1: the East.
43:57
Speaker 2: I have got no idea how to segue into... Well,
44:03
Speaker 2: what do we want to go into? The occult portals.
44:06
Speaker 3: I don't know how to segue into that because it's
44:09
Speaker 3: so fascinating, but it's not connected to anything.
44:12
Speaker 1: Or is it?
44:13
Speaker 2: Well, it is in a sense. I mean, you could
44:15
Speaker 2: think about.
44:17
Speaker 1: Like 9-11, you know, the Holocaust that is 9-11, the
44:20
Speaker 1: mass burning, right, of those towers, you could say creates
44:24
Speaker 1: a portal. And to this day, it's visualized by this sinkhole,
44:27
Speaker 1: this sinkhole where, right, in the center of that whole grouping,
44:34
Speaker 1: the two become one. Okay, so symbolically, we talk about like,
44:41
Speaker 1: symbolically the idea of the one world, right?
44:44
Speaker 2: So the two towers became one tower.
44:47
Speaker 1: And then there's, so one tower reaches towards the heavens
44:49
Speaker 1: and the other one, there's a sinkhole that goes into
44:51
Speaker 1: the earth.
44:52
Speaker 2: So it's like this kind of as above, so below.
44:55
Speaker 2: But is it a portal? Maybe.
44:57
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe the energy of that day created a
44:59
Speaker 1: kind of a ritualistic portal of energy because that's what
45:04
Speaker 1: sacrifices do you know this kind of mass sacrifice it's
45:08
Speaker 1: a huge amount of energy gets released.
45:10
Speaker 2: How do you make the connection between that spiritual war
45:13
Speaker 2: and the physical war well um As above, so below,
45:23
Speaker 2: it does get reflected.
45:24
Speaker 1: I don't think you can just separate the two and say, well,
45:28
Speaker 1: this is spiritual and that's physical.
45:30
Speaker 2: I do think that there's a.
45:34
Speaker 1: You look at the physical world in a way, and
45:37
Speaker 1: you start to shift your perspective a little bit and
45:39
Speaker 1: look at it as metaphor, in a way.
45:42
Speaker 2: I believe more in the spiritual reality than the physical reality.
45:45
Speaker 1: But the physical reality can lead you to see them
45:47
Speaker 1: as a metaphor for what's going on spiritually.
45:51
Speaker 2: Give me an example of that spiritual reality. Okay.
46:07
Speaker 1: You look at someone, and you assume they're human. But
46:11
Speaker 1: you don't see the entities or the entity that exists
46:14
Speaker 1: beyond or the soul. That's that is that is that being, right?
46:18
Speaker 1: You see the So let's say you see someone that's
46:22
Speaker 1: crazed or, you know, acting in a way and it
46:26
Speaker 1: would be demonic. Let's say their behavior is demonic. You
46:32
Speaker 1: can't see the spiritual side of it. You can't see necessarily.
46:34
Speaker 1: Some people are more attuned to that, right? And they
46:37
Speaker 1: pick up, oh, well, like a demon working to that
46:39
Speaker 1: person or their entities working to that person. But we
46:42
Speaker 1: only see the physical side of it. We see it like,
46:46
Speaker 1: you know, so as I said, like, if there's a ritual,
46:53
Speaker 1: You can maybe feel the energy of it, the heaviness
46:55
Speaker 1: of it, but you don't see the spiritual side of it.
47:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an attunement.
47:05
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just something that you start to feel
47:08
Speaker 1: intuitively without necessarily having the eyes to see.
47:11
Speaker 2: So like that woman, what's her name? Lindsay Clancy.
47:13
Speaker 3: That's all the talk right now. I mean, what drives
47:16
Speaker 3: you to killing your own kids? If that's a real story.
47:21
Speaker 3: If that's the real story, yes.
47:23
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying like, I don't know because
47:24
Speaker 1: I haven't followed anything, but it was weird because someone
47:26
Speaker 1: pointed out that there was the exact, on the exact day,
47:29
Speaker 1: like 20 plus years ago in Ireland, it was like
47:32
Speaker 1: a nurse who did the same thing to her three kids,
47:35
Speaker 1: you know? And how can that possibly be the right,
47:39
Speaker 1: the same day? Does that mean that like, it's a
47:43
Speaker 1: demonic thing that possessed her to do it, to repeat
47:46
Speaker 1: on the, you know, on the same date? Or is
47:49
Speaker 1: it a story designed to like rile people up and
47:52
Speaker 1: make them, you know, argue and fight over something and
47:56
Speaker 1: to create a hysteria in the mind, you know, because
48:00
Speaker 1: I believe, you know, uh, where our minds go, our
48:06
Speaker 1: reality goes, which is why the media is so important. It's,
48:10
Speaker 1: you know, since the ancient days, it's like the telling
48:12
Speaker 1: of stories, um, can literally, you can create the reality
48:21
Speaker 1: if you believe something.
48:25
Speaker 2: I've often thought that storytelling is far more important than facts.
48:32
Speaker 2: So I go.
48:33
Speaker 1: Into stories throughout my new book.
48:37
Speaker 2: I have a new book coming out called 10 Things
48:38
Speaker 2: to Learn. And it's archetypal.
48:45
Speaker 1: It's like basically we are here as humans to learn
48:48
Speaker 1: how to fall, how to surrender, how to cry, how
48:50
Speaker 1: to care, how to hate, how to create, how to share,
48:55
Speaker 1: how to love, how to breathe, how to laugh, right?
48:59
Speaker 1: And you would think, oh, it's self-evident. But there's different
49:02
Speaker 1: ways of doing these things. And the stories, so I
49:05
Speaker 1: draw upon stories from the ancient mythologies, from the Bible,
49:10
Speaker 1: from the Eastern traditions, from the Buddha story. And uh
49:16
Speaker 1: and from shakespeare and from you know dickens and and
49:19
Speaker 1: it's like stories have uh lessons in them right they
49:23
Speaker 1: teach us things now we're in a in an age
49:27
Speaker 1: where it's like it's very difficult to find those collective
49:30
Speaker 1: experiences of stories we're in an age of streaming which
49:35
Speaker 1: kind of tells a story but it's doesn't have the
49:38
Speaker 1: same ramification or impact that a story told in the
49:42
Speaker 1: course of, you know, a couple hours, let's say, like
49:46
Speaker 1: a play, like a film, like a book, you know,
49:48
Speaker 1: that has a completion to it, right?
49:50
Speaker 2: You complete the story, you take from it.
49:53
Speaker 1: Now it's just like we're in the phase without, you know,
49:57
Speaker 1: even these podcasts and whatnot. We're in a phase of
50:00
Speaker 1: picking up information, information, information. But where do we bring
50:05
Speaker 1: it home? how do we actually have that cathartic experience of, okay,
50:09
Speaker 1: I experienced the story and it comes to a conclusion, right?
50:14
Speaker 2: I learned from that. It's very difficult in the streaming age.
50:18
Speaker 2: Storytelling also creates meaning. There you go.
50:25
Speaker 1: Because we give meaning to things and we also see
50:27
Speaker 1: ourselves through that, you know, to give meaning to our
50:30
Speaker 1: own lives perhaps through those stories.
50:34
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know if you have considered
50:37
Speaker 2: that Shakespeare was a hoax. Of course. Not a hoax.
50:44
Speaker 1: He was a pen name that I think there was
50:52
Speaker 1: a group of people that were involved.
50:53
Speaker 2: The Bassanos, Amelia Bassano. Yeah, and Francis Bacon. She was
50:57
Speaker 2: in front of the writers.
50:59
Speaker 1: Bacon, and I think Bacon may have been the head
51:02
Speaker 1: of it, I don't know, like in terms of who
51:04
Speaker 1: oversaw the crew, maybe Bacon oversaw the crew, but it
51:07
Speaker 1: seems to have certainly been partly propaganda to push.
51:12
Speaker 2: The Tudors, right?
51:14
Speaker 1: And for example, there's a great movie called The Lost King.
51:17
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've seen that. It deals with
51:20
Speaker 1: the true story of this lady who found King Richard
51:24
Speaker 1: III's body that had been basically desecrated and no one
51:28
Speaker 1: knew where it was. And remember, the propaganda was around
51:31
Speaker 1: Richard III was so cruel, he killed his nephews, and
51:33
Speaker 1: he was a monster, and he was a hunchback, and
51:35
Speaker 1: all this nonsense. But this was like propaganda to denounce
51:40
Speaker 1: the previous Plantagenet line, right, as the Tudors had come
51:44
Speaker 1: into power. And John Dee may have been involved at
51:49
Speaker 1: some level with the storytelling in the Shakespeare plays. As
51:53
Speaker 1: I say, I think there was a crew that was involved.
51:56
Speaker 1: Emilia Bassano... The Bassanos seem to have been very, some
52:02
Speaker 1: of the, a lot of the stories have come from
52:05
Speaker 1: things that the Bassanos had picked up because Amelia's family
52:08
Speaker 1: were musicians, court musicians who had come from, they were
52:12
Speaker 1: converted Jews actually, right? They had converted from Judaism under
52:17
Speaker 1: pressure from, I believe from the Spanish. They'd been in
52:20
Speaker 1: Spain before and they'd lived in Venice. And so like
52:25
Speaker 1: she had the worldliness to understand some of these different
52:28
Speaker 1: stories that seem to have originated. Well, most of the Shakespeare's,
52:32
Speaker 1: as you know, most of the stories had originated elsewhere.
52:35
Speaker 1: And the character, William Shakespeare, that they, you know, that
52:40
Speaker 1: they say was the writer, the actor, there was no indication. Well,
52:43
Speaker 1: first of all, we know he had no library, which
52:45
Speaker 1: is insane for someone who's the most, powerful writer of
52:49
Speaker 1: the English language to have no library when he passes away.
52:52
Speaker 1: His daughter probably didn't even have the ability to write.
52:59
Speaker 2: His daughter was most likely illiterate.
53:03
Speaker 1: There's just no evidence that he was the actual writer,
53:06
Speaker 1: except that they put his name on the plays, but
53:09
Speaker 1: His name was slightly different.
53:10
Speaker 2: I think it was Shagspear or Shakspear.
53:12
Speaker 1: And I think that they liked, they must have liked
53:15
Speaker 1: the idea of a Shakespeare, a spear shaker. And that's
53:17
Speaker 1: why you mentioned Bacon, right? He loved the Athena, the
53:20
Speaker 1: image of Athena, the spear shaker.
53:24
Speaker 2: But there was a lot of code.
53:24
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what these people get into when you
53:26
Speaker 1: get into like that level of like, there's people that
53:28
Speaker 1: love codes and puzzles, you know, the cryptography level of
53:33
Speaker 1: like putting things into the, you know, into the stories
53:36
Speaker 1: so that others can, can grasp it. And certainly Bacon
53:41
Speaker 1: is the, what was he, the head of the Rosicrucians?
53:44
Speaker 2: He would have.
53:45
Speaker 1: Enjoyed, you know, how do you say, using symbolism and
53:50
Speaker 1: words and things like this to kind of create a
53:52
Speaker 1: puzzle that those with the eyes to discern it would know.
53:57
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm curious what took you down the Shakespeare path?
54:02
Speaker 2: The Beatles took me down.
54:03
Speaker 1: How so?
54:06
Speaker 3: Well, it's complicated, but the short version is simply, if
54:11
Speaker 3: you listen to the album Rubber Soul, and then you
54:13
Speaker 3: listen to the album before that, which I think is
54:15
Speaker 3: called Beatles for Sale, they sound completely different. And if
54:20
Speaker 3: you go and have a look at guys behind the scene,
54:24
Speaker 3: like Phil Spector and his ragtag group of musicians called
54:29
Speaker 3: The Wrecking Crew, who, by the way, have got a
54:31
Speaker 3: Wikipedia page, so you can go and look them up.
54:35
Speaker 1: They....
54:36
Speaker 2: Were involved in a number of albums in the 1960s,
54:40
Speaker 2: particularly The Monkees, The Beach Boys, and I believe Rubber
54:45
Speaker 2: Soul was not written or recorded by the Beatles themselves.
54:50
Speaker 2: And I don't know why, sorry, but I don't know
54:52
Speaker 2: why it would be controversial because, I mean, musicians always
54:57
Speaker 2: have ghostwriters and musicians.
54:59
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, I mean, because then if you
55:05
Speaker 1: start to go there, You start to understand how much
55:08
Speaker 1: of this is being orchestrated. Yes.
55:11
Speaker 2: And for what purpose?
55:12
Speaker 1: Is there a mind control aspect or cultural control, I
55:15
Speaker 1: should say, aspect behind musicians and the image that gets
55:21
Speaker 1: created because you want to draw upon the energy of
55:25
Speaker 1: the crowd?
55:26
Speaker 2: Well, MKUltra is obviously still very much alive, isn't it?
55:29
Speaker 1: I think it's just part and parcel of media. And
55:39
Speaker 1: of course, Hollywood circling all the way back to the
55:41
Speaker 1: beginning of the conversation. Well, yeah, I mean, I think
55:45
Speaker 1: people are controlled at some level, some more than others.
55:50
Speaker 1: You know, at what point are they created?
55:53
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, you get all the kinds
55:55
Speaker 2: of rumors, cloning, that kind of stuff, you know.
56:00
Speaker 3: Speaking of cloning, during the COVID years, I saw a
56:04
Speaker 3: number of very strange videos and photos of joe biden
56:09
Speaker 3: i cannot come to terms with i don't even want
56:12
Speaker 3: to say it out loud because it sounds so ridiculous.
56:16
Speaker 1: Well exactly that he was dead i don't think it
56:18
Speaker 1: was the same biden i think that they had a
56:20
Speaker 1: clone or masks or something you know and it begs
56:24
Speaker 1: the question for what purpose you know was it was
56:29
Speaker 1: it about disclosure waking people up to like the real,
56:34
Speaker 1: you know, to start to really consider like who is
56:36
Speaker 1: in charge, who isn't, who's actually.
56:37
Speaker 2: Running the government, you know?
56:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
56:41
Speaker 2: But I mean, that's, but that's a good point, Sean,
56:43
Speaker 2: because if, if you can agree that Joe Biden was
56:46
Speaker 2: not running the show, then what, what makes you think
56:50
Speaker 2: Trump is running the show? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, this
56:57
Speaker 2: is something that I've, you know, kind of understood since
56:59
Speaker 2: I was young. I think, um, you know, it's.
57:03
Speaker 1: Indicated in, in, in when Clinton came in to office
57:07
Speaker 1: and said, well, first of all, I mean, he was
57:09
Speaker 1: a creation of the, of the Bilderbergs and, and had
57:12
Speaker 1: been government governor overseeing, um, you know, in Arkansas overseeing
57:16
Speaker 1: a lot of the, uh, the drug trafficking in the
57:18
Speaker 1: Bush years, right.
57:19
Speaker 2: In the eighties.
57:20
Speaker 1: So he was already kind of, I think it was
57:22
Speaker 1: a stage thing, you know, him versus Bush. As you
57:25
Speaker 1: see to this day, like Bush and Clinton have been close, right.
57:27
Speaker 1: Even as soon as they left office, it was clear
57:29
Speaker 1: that they were very close and friendly. Um, But when
57:33
Speaker 1: Clinton came into office, he said he wanted to find
57:35
Speaker 1: out who killed Kennedy and he wanted to find out,
57:40
Speaker 1: you know, about the aliens. And they came back to, like,
57:45
Speaker 1: you are not going to know any of this. You
57:48
Speaker 1: are here for four years, maybe eight years. You're an employee, basically, right?
57:53
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, the security clearance of the
57:55
Speaker 1: president is not that high, actually. People think that, like,
57:59
Speaker 1: he has the highest security clearance. No. No, no.
58:03
Speaker 2: He doesn't get to know everything. In fact, he gets
58:05
Speaker 2: to know what they tell him.
58:07
Speaker 3: In 2020, Trump was surrounded by CIA.
58:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. I mean, Trump had an instinct.
58:15
Speaker 1: He had a right instinct on COVID. I think that
58:21
Speaker 1: was at the point that I actually supported him the
58:22
Speaker 1: most was when he was talking about hydroxychloroquine and he
58:26
Speaker 1: was talking to the doctors that were, you know, like.
58:31
Speaker 2: like McCullough and others.
58:32
Speaker 1: You know, who were basically saying, you know, this, I
58:34
Speaker 1: don't know if he talked to McCullough, but he talked to,
58:36
Speaker 1: you know, some of the doctors essentially like, uh, like Lapa,
58:40
Speaker 1: like wasn't like Ladapo and others, but essentially saying like,
58:43
Speaker 1: we have to treat, you know, we can treat COVID early, you.
58:48
Speaker 2: Know, advised him.
58:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
58:51
Speaker 2: Rectin and hydroxychloroquine and whatnot, like treat COVID early.
58:54
Speaker 1: And that's the best, most effective way, um, to prevent, uh, uh,
58:58
Speaker 1: hospitalization and death. He had an instinct around this, but
59:04
Speaker 1: just like he had an instinct to try to open
59:06
Speaker 1: the schools and get people, you know, get the economy
59:08
Speaker 1: going again. But, uh, you know, he was also pushing
59:12
Speaker 1: the vaccine, which, you know, clearly was dangerous. It was a,
59:19
Speaker 1: it was a door for them to enter the mRNA
59:22
Speaker 1: technology through because they couldn't get the mRNA vaccines approved
59:26
Speaker 1: without this emergency authorization. Right. And, um, Yeah. And then,
59:32
Speaker 1: I mean, it was, it was pretty rigged election in 2020,
59:35
Speaker 1: but maybe they're all rigged.
59:37
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's, I think, you know, I
59:38
Speaker 2: think it's all just the show, man.
59:40
Speaker 1: It's just, it's all just, you know, rile you up
59:43
Speaker 1: about this and then we bring this guy as your
59:45
Speaker 1: savior and then we get you riled up and then
59:47
Speaker 1: we bring that one as the savior. And it's, I
59:49
Speaker 1: think it's all just the show.
59:51
Speaker 2: What's your website. How can I get your books, et cetera?
59:55
Speaker 2: Sean stone.info. Pretty simple.
59:58
Speaker 1: Uh, My books, my documentaries, my social media, people can
1:00:02
Speaker 1: email me directly. Yeah, it's always good to hear back
1:00:08
Speaker 1: from fans and audience. And if people want to do
1:00:11
Speaker 1: consults with me directly, I'm also available for that. Have
1:00:14
Speaker 1: you been to my side of the pond? Have you
1:00:16
Speaker 1: been to South Africa? I want to go when it's
1:00:20
Speaker 1: the right time. Uh, you know, it's like, I'm so conflicted.
1:00:23
Speaker 1: Cause I, you know, it seems like I always hear
1:00:26
Speaker 1: like how dangerous it is. And so I'm like, depends
1:00:29
Speaker 1: on where you go. And a lot of that's theater.
1:00:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm sure it is. I'm sure.
1:00:34
Speaker 1: Just like I hear, you know, Europeans are asking me
1:00:36
Speaker 1: this summer, you know, how's America? You know, it's like,
1:00:39
Speaker 1: is it dangerous?
1:00:39
Speaker 2: I'm like, what? They're like, Oh yeah. You know, people
1:00:42
Speaker 2: are getting deported.
1:00:43
Speaker 1: And they got ICE agents on the street, deporting people
1:00:45
Speaker 1: and blah, blah, blah.
1:00:47
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Well, dude, I live in Cape Town,
1:00:51
Speaker 2: and if it were a war zone, I would have
1:00:53
Speaker 2: emigrated a long time ago.
1:00:54
Speaker 3: It is bad. It depends on where you go. I mean,
1:00:57
Speaker 3: you have to understand it's not some sort of– crime
1:01:00
Speaker 3: isn't communist. It's concentrated in certain parts of the country.
1:01:05
Speaker 3: But what happens is that the stats make it look
1:01:07
Speaker 3: like it's across the whole country.
1:01:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know.
1:01:11
Speaker 1: I know. I just– as I said, I always travel
1:01:14
Speaker 1: with an intention, and I haven't been called there yet.
1:01:18
Speaker 2: But I'm sure I will. It's a country that I
1:01:21
Speaker 2: want to visit. All right. Sean Stone, thank you for
1:01:23
Speaker 2: joining me in the trenches. It's a pleasure. Thank you.