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Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing (Day 6 Part 13) (11/3/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to dive right back in to
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  Speaker 1: day number six and the transcript from Tyler Robinson's prelim hearing.
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  Speaker 1: And we're picking up with the prosecution, tampering with the witness. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I would remind the court that we're here at the
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  Speaker 1: prelim hearing, a probable cause hearing, where all reasonable inferences
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  Speaker 1: are to be viewed in the light most favorable to
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  Speaker 1: the state. Mr. Novak got up there and tried to
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  Speaker 1: provide context and explain away Mr. Robinson's direction to Twiggs
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  Speaker 1: not to speak to the police. But earlier on, there
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  Speaker 1: was the text of delete this exchange after he had
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  Speaker 1: made several incriminating statements. That provides a lot of context
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  Speaker 1: about what we're talking about. It's a reasonable inference to
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  Speaker 1: believe that when he directed him not to speak to
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  Speaker 1: the police, that it was part of a cover-up here.
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  Speaker 1: Proof has been provided that there were a few children
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  Speaker 1: at least younger than 14 years old, that were physically
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  Speaker 1: present when the defendant shot and killed Charlie Kirk. Again, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Robinson was looking down into the crowd. He had scouted
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  Speaker 1: out the place before, making at least a couple of
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  Speaker 1: visits there, having lunch at the Sorenson Center, which boarded
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  Speaker 1: the courtyard. It's therefore reasonable to infer that he would
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  Speaker 1: have seen children at the event. But beyond that, the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he was looking down into a crowd of
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  Speaker 1: thousands of people, and there were children there, We know
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  Speaker 1: there were children there, but it's reasonable to infer that
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  Speaker 1: among those thousands of people would at least be one,
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  Speaker 1: if not more children, under the age of 14. And
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  Speaker 1: of course, there were. It's reasonable to infer that he
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  Speaker 1: knew that. I want to talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: the identity evidence here. It's very interesting that on the
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  Speaker 1: night of September 10th, 2025, just a mere hours after
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  Speaker 1: he assassinated Charlie Kirk, he texted his boyfriend, Tyler did,
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  Speaker 1: he texted Lance Twiggs, quote, If I'm able to grab
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  Speaker 1: my rifle unseen, I'll have left no evidence, close quote.
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  Speaker 1: The defendant thought that he had committed an almost perfect murder,
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  Speaker 1: but judge, nothing could be further from the truth. There
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  Speaker 1: is an overwhelming and devastating evidence of his guilt. We've
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  Speaker 1: talked about the admissions that he made. I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to mention a few more. Of course, there was the
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  Speaker 1: letter that he left under the keyboard where he admitted
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  Speaker 1: to having the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and
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  Speaker 1: he took it. Again, you ask why? because he hated him.
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  Speaker 1: He hated what he stood for. He hated his political expression.
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  Speaker 1: And he's asked by Lance Twiggs, you weren't the one
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  Speaker 1: who did it, right? I am, sorry, he texted back.
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  Speaker 1: And then he adds this, why did I do it?
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  Speaker 1: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be
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  Speaker 1: negotiated out. Mr. Twiggs then asked him, how long have
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  Speaker 1: you been planning this? And Robinson replied, a bit over
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  Speaker 1: a week, I believe. So again, we have a premeditated
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  Speaker 1: killing here, And then he goes on to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to turn myself in willingly. One of my
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  Speaker 1: neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. And that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what he did, turning himself in. And I'll ask
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  Speaker 1: about the significance of that in just a moment. There
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  Speaker 1: were the Discord messages to his other friends. So it's
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  Speaker 1: not only admission to Lance Twiggs, his boyfriend, but he
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  Speaker 1: makes admissions to other friends on Discord, referring directly to
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  Speaker 1: the surveillance video footage that they talked about. He also
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  Speaker 1: admitted in person to Lance Twiggs that he had said
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  Speaker 1: the night before was in fact true. And that came
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  Speaker 1: out in Mr. Twiggs' interview that was played in part
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  Speaker 1: of the evidence in the case. And of course, we
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  Speaker 1: have the admission to Mike Mitchell that he discarded the clothing.
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  Speaker 1: All those are admissions. Some amount to straight up confessions
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  Speaker 1: to what he did. And then the defendant turned himself
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  Speaker 1: in to the police judge for shooting Charlie Kirk. Actions
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  Speaker 1: speak louder than words. He actually turned himself in. Why?
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  Speaker 1: Because he did it. We've talked about the video surveillance.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the DNA. Mr. Burke
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  Speaker 1: took exception with how some of the DNA was characterized,
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  Speaker 1: and so I'm going to characterize the DNA as it
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  Speaker 1: actually is in reports, Judge. I'm looking at State Exhibit 31.
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  Speaker 1: This is the FBI report, and the FBI did the
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  Speaker 1: analysis on the towel and the screwdriver. When it comes
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  Speaker 1: to the towel, page 3 of the 6-page report reads,
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  Speaker 1: The DNA results from this item are 1.7 octillion times
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  Speaker 1: more likely if Twiggs and Tyler Robinson are contributors than
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  Speaker 1: if Twiggs and an unknown, unrelated person are contributors. 1 octillion. 1.7 octillion.
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  Speaker 1: An octillion is a 1 followed by 27 zeros. To
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  Speaker 1: get to an octillion, it requires 15 quadrillion trillions just
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  Speaker 1: to get to an octillion. We're talking about numbers that
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  Speaker 1: are just astronomical. We're talking about inferences, reasonable inferences, that
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  Speaker 1: fall in favor of the state. The inference is that
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Robinson was a contributor to that DNA sample. Turning
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  Speaker 1: to the screwdriver, the DNA results from this item are
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  Speaker 1: 30 quintillion times more likely if Twiggs and Tyler Robinson
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  Speaker 1: are contributors than if Twiggs and an unknown related person
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  Speaker 1: are contributors. 30 quintillion. 1 quintillion is followed by 18 zeros,
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  Speaker 1: and it takes 1 million trillions to even equal 1 quintillion.
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  Speaker 1: State Exhibit 30. This is the ATF report with respect
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  Speaker 1: to the DNA analysis on the gun, as well as
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  Speaker 1: the cartridges. And this is what the report says. This
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  Speaker 1: is what the hard evidence received by the court says.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking to Exhibit 1.1 and 1.4, which were stock and
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  Speaker 1: grips of the rifle and the bolt of the rifle,
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  Speaker 1: The DNA profiles are at least 1 trillion times more
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  Speaker 1: likely if they originated from Tyler Robinson as a contributor
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  Speaker 1: to the major components and three unrelated unknown individuals than
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  Speaker 1: if they originated from four unrelated unknown individuals. 1 trillion
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  Speaker 1: times more likely. The butt plate of the rifle, the
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  Speaker 1: DNA profile is at least 1 trillion times more likely
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  Speaker 1: if it originated from Tyler Robinson as a major component
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  Speaker 1: and four unrelated unknown individuals than if it originated from
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  Speaker 1: five unrelated unknown individuals. Again, one trillion times more likely.
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  Speaker 1: The trigger, the actual trigger to the gun and the
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  Speaker 1: trigger guard to the rifle, the DNA profile, is at
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  Speaker 1: least a trillion times more likely if it originated from
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Robinson as the major component and three unrelated unknown
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  Speaker 1: individuals than if it originated from four unrelated unknown individuals. Again,
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  Speaker 1: 1 trillion times more likely. And the report goes on
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  Speaker 1: and on and speaks to the fore end of the rifle.
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  Speaker 1: One of the. 30- 06 cartridges, the barrel of the rifle, another.
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  Speaker 1: 30- 06 cartridge, the optical accessory or the scope, that one
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  Speaker 1: is slightly different. For the record, the DNA profile is 6.28
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  Speaker 1: billion times more likely on that item. If it originated
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  Speaker 1: from Tyler Robinson as a contributor to the major component
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  Speaker 1: and three unrelated unknown individuals, than if it originated from
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  Speaker 1: the four unrelated unknown individuals. And then the report speaks
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  Speaker 1: to the underside of the receiver of the rifle after
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  Speaker 1: a disassembly and another one of the. 30- 06 cartridges. One
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  Speaker 1: of those two items, the DNA profiles, are at least
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  Speaker 1: one trillion times more likely if they originated from Tyler
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  Speaker 1: Robinson as the major component and an unrelated unknown individual
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  Speaker 1: than if they originated from the two unrelated unknown individuals. Again,
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  Speaker 1: one trillion times more likely. On an area of the
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  Speaker 1: rifle that they didn't get to until after it was disassembled, Judge,
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  Speaker 1: we can understand better what a trillion means, I believe, Judge,
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  Speaker 1: compared to an octillion and quintillions, but it's still an
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  Speaker 1: incredibly large number. To give context of that likelihood to
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  Speaker 1: that one trillion number, our world population is approximately 8.3
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  Speaker 1: billion people. To equal a trillion would require replicating our
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  Speaker 1: world with the current population, 120.48 times. To get to
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  Speaker 1: the 1 trillion number. Reasonable inference? The defendant's DNA was
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  Speaker 1: found all over that rifle, that towel, those cartridges, the
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  Speaker 1: screwdriver in question. We're asking this court to stick to
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  Speaker 1: the evidence that was presented at the prelim hearing. We're
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  Speaker 1: asking this court to make reasonable inferences based on the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: We're not trying to shoehorn the evidence into the aggravator.
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  Speaker 1: The defendant knowingly created a great risk of death to
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  Speaker 1: at least one other person. It was more than just
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  Speaker 1: one other person. The Sosa-Hurtado case supports the state's case.
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  Speaker 1: The factors help the state's case. Ms. Visser took exception
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  Speaker 1: that the state uses one piece of evidence for identity
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  Speaker 1: and now is trying to use it for knowledge. A
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  Speaker 1: piece of evidence can speak to both identity and knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: It's important also that the court look at the totality
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  Speaker 1: of the evidence. That's important. We don't get to just
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  Speaker 1: pick one piece of evidence and try to attack it
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  Speaker 1: and render that meaningless from a certain perspective. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: color everything else. We're asking the court to look at
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  Speaker 1: the totality of it, judge the evidence and the clues
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  Speaker 1: the defendant left behind that day and his actions over
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  Speaker 1: the next day or so amount to an overwhelming and
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  Speaker 1: devastating proof of his guilt. The evidence presented at the
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  Speaker 1: prelim hearing not only establishes probable cause that he committed
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  Speaker 1: the offenses, that he killed Charlie Kirk in cold blood,
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  Speaker 1: that he put others at great risk of death and
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  Speaker 1: committed the other offenses, it also satisfies proof beyond a
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  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. The state would take this case to trial
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow if we could, Judge, to the extent that that
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  Speaker 1: there remains any question with respect to the charges, the
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  Speaker 1: facts that support these charges, and aggravating circumstance, the sentencing
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  Speaker 1: aggravators or enhancements, those are questions for the jury to resolve,
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  Speaker 1: not for this court as a matter of law to
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  Speaker 1: resolve by not binding over each and every count. It's
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  Speaker 1: been 356 days since Tyler Robinson assassinated Charlie Kirk. It's
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  Speaker 1: time for him, the defendant, to be bound over for
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  Speaker 1: trial and arraigned today. Thank you, Your Honor. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
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  Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to pick back up with Judge
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  Speaker 1: Graff and the rest of the hearing. All the information
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  Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
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  Speaker 1: description box.