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Ty & Bob Pod S5 E3: Case Keenum’s Finest Hour · Go Long Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: What's up everyone?
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to another edition of the Tie and Bob Pod Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is Bob McGinn.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Tyler Dunne,
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  SPEAKER_01: nonstop players,
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  SPEAKER_01: coaches, scouts to just bring you something different behind that curtain.
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  SPEAKER_01: And here on this podcast, as always, we discuss everything NFC Norris.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it known as the Norris, the Central, the North?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's at the tip of your tongue, Bob?
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  SPEAKER_00: Eight and four, tied to the league's best record with two other divisions.
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  SPEAKER_00: The AFC West, the AFC North, and the NFC North are eight and four.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think this division is quite as good as it's been the last couple of years.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's just my feeling after seeing all these 12 games.
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  SPEAKER_01: You definitely get a decent cross-section watching other games, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: We've got three weeks to chew on here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm still not going to race to conclusions on who's a contender,
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  SPEAKER_01: who stinks,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I think we're starting to kind of get a little differentiation league-wide now
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  SPEAKER_01: that it's been a few weeks.
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  SPEAKER_01: But these injuries, man, across the NFL, it's crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Caleb Williams in the moment, everybody thinks it's season ending.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then, oh no, it's a mild hamstring.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Bob McGinn on this show,
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  SPEAKER_01: using your institutional knowledge, you said, oh, it'll probably be about a month.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it looks like it's going to be a few weeks here.
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  SPEAKER_01: The way Case Keenum played,
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  SPEAKER_01: and maybe if they believe in Tyson Bajin,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe there isn't a rush to get him back on the field.
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  SPEAKER_01: You really let that hamstring heal if you're Ben Johnson and the Chicago Bears.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: all the All these injuries,
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  SPEAKER_01: I always do chuckle, though,
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  SPEAKER_01: because the NFL is just adding to its bureaucracy and rulebook and making up stuff
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  SPEAKER_01: that doesn't make any sense every offseason.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the roughing the passer penalties are ridiculous.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was another one,
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  SPEAKER_01: Chop Robinson,
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  SPEAKER_01: just forgot to put a pillow down for Patrick Mahomes and turn the nightlight on
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  SPEAKER_01: and get him some warm milk and read a bedtime story.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ridiculous.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did you see that, Bob?
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was awful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just terrible stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of this is put into the game in 2026, and yet there's still injuries.
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  SPEAKER_01: Quarterbacks are still getting hurt because guess what?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a contact sport until you just outlaw blocking and tackling.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's going to happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it does complicate things for all of these teams on the fly to try to win
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  SPEAKER_01: a game, and some of these backup quarterbacks are getting it done.
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  SPEAKER_01: Case Keenum.
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  SPEAKER_00: Should we talk about Case?
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  SPEAKER_01: I would love to talk some Case Keenum.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was great.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's go to 2017, his great year with the Minnesota Vikings.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was my last year.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was my first year with my son, Charlie, at BobMcGinnFootball.com.
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  SPEAKER_00: And on the All-NFC North team,
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  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Rodgers, I think, played seven or nine games, something like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So at quarterback, we had a tie for first place.
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  SPEAKER_00: Keenum and Rodgers said one scout.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Tyler, the guy was, he had a 98.3 rating.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bikes went 11 and three, took over for Bradford and Bridgewater after injuries.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was unreal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me get this quote.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was the Vikings' first first-team QB since Brett Favre in 2009.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Rodgers had just dominated.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had a hard time defending him,
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  SPEAKER_00: said one scout, making plays that I never would have thought that he would make.
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  SPEAKER_00: He kind of is what he is, but he just wins.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a credit to him and his coaches, Pat Shermer and those guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in the awards in the Uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: in the awards,
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  SPEAKER_00: all division,
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  SPEAKER_00: he was offensive player of the year in the North and he tied Matthew Stafford as MVP
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  SPEAKER_00: in the division.
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  SPEAKER_00: How about that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, Bradford played 91 snaps, went on IR with a knee, uh, Bridgewater on the pup list.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, Okay, he was the ninth free agent quarterback signed that year.
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  SPEAKER_00: Vikings signed him one year, two million on April 4.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, now he's banged around.
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  SPEAKER_00: He went to Denver to be a starter, didn't play well.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the end of his starting days.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the other night he was incredible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Last night, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was just trying to search a story I did on Adam Thielen at Bleacher Report that season.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hung out with him during a week, a little inside access type of piece at BR Mag.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't find it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's lost in the ether.
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  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that sad when you write stuff and it's just gone?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's out there somewhere, but people will just have to take my word for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I remember that Case Keenum season.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, he got guys to believe in that locker room, Thielen, Stephon Diggs.
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  SPEAKER_01: They ran the ball well, but I mean, he was a gunslinger too, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: He would hang in that pocket, shimmy around and And let it rip.
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  SPEAKER_01: And actually, we were talking a little before Ding and Record.
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  SPEAKER_01: I interviewed Case Keenum out of Houston.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those Journal Sentinel days, actually.
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  SPEAKER_01: In preparation for the draft, Bob is grinding away at his series.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I would just be writing a bunch of blog posts, reaching out to as many prospects as I could.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really interesting to look back at some of his comments.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because out of Houston...
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the stigma was real.
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  SPEAKER_01: He threw for 155 touchdowns, an NCAA record, over 19,000 yards, also an NCAA record.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he knew he was going to be a sixth or seventh-round pick if he was drafted at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's a little fire in some of these comments.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let me just find a couple.
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  SPEAKER_01: Quote, there are a lot of good players out there,
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  SPEAKER_01: but they are who they are because of the people around them.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that Aaron Rodgers probably believes that too.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it'd be really cool to learn from a guy like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very similar to the NFL.
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  SPEAKER_01: We game planned very specifically to each game.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this is Kellen Moore, actually.
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  SPEAKER_01: I forgot I talked to him too.
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  SPEAKER_01: That requires a lot of preparation.
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  SPEAKER_01: He put up big numbers at Boise.
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  SPEAKER_01: Gosh, who else is in here?
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  SPEAKER_01: Keenum, I will work my absolute hardest to get there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm a competitor.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to compete against the best.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he...
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  SPEAKER_00: He's still playing.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was 2012.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's 2026, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's doing something right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And lo and behold, he operated that Ben Johnson offense with machine gun precision.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was fascinating to see a quarterback rip through his reads,
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  SPEAKER_01: spit the ball out,
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  SPEAKER_01: Ben Johnson kind of turning that clock back to when he had Jared Goff.
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  SPEAKER_01: He made a joke about it in his press conference,
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  SPEAKER_01: what it's like to have a quarterback who's a little more immobile.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you don't have the superhuman stuff that Caleb Williams gives you,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Herculean plays that won them games.
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  SPEAKER_01: Think about the two Green Bay games, the throw against L.A., pick your moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't get that in a case Keenum or a Tyson Baygent.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he was operating that offense.
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  SPEAKER_01: At a high, high rate.
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  SPEAKER_01: Making a mockery of Vic Fangio.
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  SPEAKER_00: Vic Fangio and the Eagles defense.
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  SPEAKER_00: Case Keenum tore you up.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was his first year?
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  SPEAKER_00: 2013 with Houston?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, that was the 2012 draft, so 2012.
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  SPEAKER_00: 2012?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to go find his test score.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hold on, Tyler, okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: 2012, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bob McGinn is off.
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  SPEAKER_01: I see the reflection of the window.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's left the kitchen.
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  SPEAKER_01: He has retreated to the basement.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's likely thumbing through files.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's searching.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's searching.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I see a light coming on back there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that Bob or is that Pat?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not quite sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's still looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are on the hunt for Case Keenum information.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, here he comes.
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  SPEAKER_01: He found it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mission accomplished.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've got the Wunderlich.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Wunderlich is secured.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Case Keenum.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, he was in the 2013 draft.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just looking at the website here, and it says, published on March 2nd, 2012.
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  SPEAKER_01: Case Keenum.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Got it.
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  SPEAKER_00: He had a 27, Tyler.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm talking about, baby.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was my 18th.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was right.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was 2012.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: 27 on the test.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was my 18th ranked QB.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: That group won the top five,
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  SPEAKER_00: Andrew Luck, Robert Griffith, Ryan Tannehill, Kirk Cousins, and Brandon Whedon.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, that's a pretty darn good group.
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  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that amazing, though?
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  SPEAKER_01: In 2026, Keenum is the one on Monday Night Football lighting it up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not Andrew Luck, not RG3, not Russell Wilson, none of these guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not Tannehill.
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  SPEAKER_00: 6'1", 207, ran a 4.75.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: He had a weak arm, I wrote here.
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  SPEAKER_00: His record was 37-14.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Case stood the test of time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you see what he said this week, Tyler?
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  SPEAKER_00: After the game,
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  SPEAKER_00: he said,
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  SPEAKER_00: Ben Johnson is the best play caller,
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  SPEAKER_00: play designer, game planner I've ever been around.
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  SPEAKER_00: Think how many guys he's been around.
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  SPEAKER_00: He didn't have to say that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: he knows that quote's going to be seen by all his former coaches and head coaches,
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  SPEAKER_00: coordinators.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't have to say that.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was pretty meaningful.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: I loved the Bluey reference after the game saying,
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: oh, just watch a little Bluey with his daughter.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how cool was that for his kids to watch him play live?
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  SPEAKER_01: They know dad is late 30s backup quarterback,
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  SPEAKER_01: goes to
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  SPEAKER_00: work, helps out the starter, comes home,
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  SPEAKER_01: and he's under the spotlight.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what did you see, Bob, when you really dug into Case Keenum in this game?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to jump right to it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: He picked them apart, right, T?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he really did.
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  SPEAKER_00: He just picked them apart.
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  SPEAKER_00: So much poise and accuracy.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he doesn't have a big gun.
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  SPEAKER_00: First play, ran that short out to Burden for seven.
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  SPEAKER_00: 66-yard drive to start the game.
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  SPEAKER_00: Got the ball out quick.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: One ball, he threw 48 yards.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was too far for that speedster.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: What is it, Zavin Thomas?
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: He threw it 48.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: I checked that out.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, he wasn't perfect.
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  SPEAKER_00: He overthrew Odunze on a deep corner.
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  SPEAKER_00: Fourth and goal to three.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was late on that out to Burden.
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  SPEAKER_00: Could have been picked.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then he came back with a 25-yard lob to Burden with Grenard knocking him down.
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  SPEAKER_00: Next play, 22 to Odunze with Jordan Davis.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jordan, is it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bearing down on him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Made a great throw in a crowded middle to Odunze for 15.
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  SPEAKER_00: Second half, knocked down by Hunt, found Raymond on the play.
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  SPEAKER_00: Khalif gained a 12.
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  SPEAKER_00: 41-yard touchdown, blown coverage, found Raymond, exploited it, got it done.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sidearm under the onrushing Grenard.
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  SPEAKER_00: He fumbled on the scramble.
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  SPEAKER_00: He got a lucky break on the bounce right back to him.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Fourth and two, we got
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  SPEAKER_00: that hustling guy, Morrow, Jomo to jump, great cadence.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: There was a sack late in the game, and Jalen Carter, did you see that, Tyler?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: He tenderly kind of helped him to his feet.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: I could not believe that.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Jalen Carter, he had to be so impressed by this older guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he tenderly helps him up from the back.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: Scored on the sneak.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: After he's humiliated on that sneak, the old Kurt Warner Super Bowl sneak.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: You saw that, right?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: That came after the help up by Carter.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying that the schematics on that quarterback sneak,
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where they fake the pulling guards.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's what Kurt Warner with Mike Martz did in the Super Bowl against New England at the one.
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  SPEAKER_01: It looks bizarre.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, why would we not block for an aging, immobile quarterback on a sneak?
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: But you see Jalen Carter, he freezes for a half a second and it's an easy score.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I thought they were going to get beat.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: With Keenum.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: I just did.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: I thought, you know, Baygent would be in there at some point.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: He hadn't practiced all week.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: I thought they were going to get beat.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what the spread was, but it's a big win.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: So they, um,
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: the Vikings lead the division at three,
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: you know, you got the bears and lions at two and one in green Bay at one and two.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: Should we keep going on the bears on the bear offense?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: Quick comment on the Eagles.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: The, the, Unforgivable loss for Philadelphia.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: They might not be a good team.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: You barely beat the Titans.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Barely beat the Commanders.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: First couple drives, I'm thinking, this is Sean Manning offense.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of dig it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's different.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're doing some cool things with misdirection,
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  SPEAKER_01: motion, throwing the ball, running it with Saquon.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then Hurts, his head bangs against the grass.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was weird, right?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: He gets...
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's got to get sent to the tent by New York.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's driving Jalen Hurts nuts.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: You see how pissed off he is on the sideline.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're down 7-0 at this point, going into tie early in the game.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: And part of me thinks,
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  SPEAKER_01: does Nick Sirianni maybe call a timeout here and give Hurts time in the tent to go
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  SPEAKER_01: through whatever and then get him back out there
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  SPEAKER_01: before Andy Dalton inevitably screws up?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: But then it's like, okay,
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  SPEAKER_01: the optics would be pretty bad after the Brian Dable situation last year
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  SPEAKER_01: with Jackson Dart.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I get not doing it.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, Andy Dalton throws a pick.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was texting with my college roommate.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's a huge Eagles fan.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, obviously mad about that sequence.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: He's like,
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: why can't we just send Andy Dalton his corpse at this point into the line three
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  SPEAKER_01: or four times?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Just push him.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Who cares?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: You're at the half yard line.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: But they didn't.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: And that was the game.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there was so much life sucked out.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Of the Philadelphia Eagles at that point.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: But just embarrassing for their defense.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: They made the move for Gernard, paid them all that money.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: You paid Jalen Carter.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: You've got,
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: allegedly,
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: real talent a couple years removed from embarrassing the greatest player in
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: the game, Patrick Mahomes.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't cross midfield until it was 34-0.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my God.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: And now you're getting shredded by a backup quarterback, a third-string quarterback.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know if this game said more about Chicago or Philly.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of lean toward the latter because, right,
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: we were told by Eagles Communications that I shouldn't have mentioned the drama
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: in my Andrew McCuba profile.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: They were not happy that I even referenced the controversy with A.J.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Brown.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: They weren't happy with that, Bob.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, the mere reference to an obvious headline week to week to week.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: But still, it looks like rough times ahead for Philadelphia after trading A.J.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Brown.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't even compete.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: So there are weapons.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's getting all this mileage out of Kalief Raymond.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Do you believe this?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Guy's winning inside, outside, all over the place, returning punts well.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: The 41-yard touchdown, broken coverage.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Something happened between Dejean and
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: the guy from Seattle, Woollen.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Loveland, I mean,
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: he still has not been a big part of the offense,
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: but the guy's a heck of a tight end, and he is blocking pretty darn well right now.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: But Dunzey, I mean, he bobbled that touchdown pass.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: It would have been another touchdown by Keetum in corner.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: They had to settle for a field goal on that one, I believe.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: Odunzi had an offense.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was the drive.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think they went for it on fourth and goal, right?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, was that it?
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: They got nothing instead of seven.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: Komet was okay in the run game.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Burden.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's an unconventional guy.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of a gadget guy.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: He can really run.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: First play of the game, he made the safety Epps miss, gained seven.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Inside handoff, reverse action, gain of seven.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Shovel pass for the touchdown, the big surge, broke a couple tackles at the five and surged in.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: 25 yard pass off short motion, he got lost on an over route against a zone.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Burden's kind of a real threat.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Second year guy, he's just gonna get better.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to the line.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Bradbury had a hell of a game.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Carter, and I watched him all night.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Carter and Davis were non-factors.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Do you believe that?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Against Bradbury,
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: who cannot handle,
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: time has told us that he can't handle big noses, but he did a great job.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: I got him for one bad run against Davis, and pass protection, he was perfect.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: So if he continues to play solid football,
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: You got Wright, Jonah Jackson, and Thune, they got a hell of an old line.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Now, they lose Braxton Jones.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know how long with the knee.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: They played Benedict, and he had a lot of problems.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: He had one, two, three, four pressures.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: But they got Ozzy Torpilo coming back very soon from that bad, was it, Patella.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: That was in the playoffs, I believe.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Torpilo looked like a hell of a young prospect last year.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: The backs, we know about Swift and Monongai, both good players.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Swift with those short,
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: choppy steps, but he will get north and south and hurt you when he finds room.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's a hell of a player, and we talked about Keenum.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: So that's their offense.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: They don't have much depth at wideout.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Thomas and Jotty Walker really haven't done much, young guys.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: But with two good tight ends,
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Some receivers,
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Raymond's playing out of his mind, three QBs and two good running backs.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a bad offense, you know?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Once they get that rushing attack really steamrolling downhill,
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: that can set the tone for whoever's playing quarterback.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Keenum, Bajent, Caleb Williams, Jim Miller, Shane Matthews.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Cordell Stewart had a cup of Joe with the Bears once upon a time.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, give me a random Bears quarterback.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: What do you got?
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this was how many consecutive starts for Williams?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was 36.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's the longest streak since 78 when the streak of 36 games ended by Mr. Bob Avelini.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Avelini.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Mike Phipps later took over for Mr. Avelini in the mid-70s.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: And you've got our good friend,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Eric Kramer, who held the record up until last year for passing yards.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Got to check in with Eric.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Love that guy.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: That was a hell of a couple of stories you've done
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: on here.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Ben Johnson said the thing he really wanted to talk about was the defense.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I agree.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: He said, how do we want to play on defense?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: We outrun and we out hit and rally to the football.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's really what we want to be our calling card.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: And in the second half, they just carried the fight to the Eagles and it was just over.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: So there was some interesting developments on this defense.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Grady Jarrett is not done.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is, I think the best game he's ever had since he joined the Bears last year.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: He had four hurries against pretty good people.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Now I assume Juergens and Kendall are pretty good at left guard and center.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: They lost Jeff Stoutland, the great old line coach.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's probably a factor.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: But they got tremendous tackles and the right guard is okay.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway,
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Jarrett, yeah,
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: he got pancaked to the point of attack early by Kendall,
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: the young center, running play gain of 12.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: But other than that, he played 40 snaps.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: He led all the D linemen in snaps.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Played pretty good football, Tyler.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's small and he's old.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: But he is quick, and maybe he's going to wear down.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: But right now, he's their best guy inside, and he played a hell of a game.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: He and Bradbury on the two lines were outstanding.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Elsewhere inside, Street only played 18.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: He's playing nose tackle.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't do much.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Vandenberg, the young rookie, 10 snaps.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: He was just okay.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: They played Gallimore, 12, the ex-cowboy.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, at power end, They've started now three straight games.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: They have started James Lynch, an unrestricted guy from Tennessee.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's a bigger body.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Let's check him out.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they need help against the run.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's got to come through.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: He's 6'3.5", 289 coming out, ran 4.96.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's got short arms.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he's good enough, but they're playing with him right now.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: All right,
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: now on the outside,
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: I thought Montez Sweat had a late fall on sack,
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: but I mean, he didn't do anything against Lane Johnson.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting player was Booker.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now, he was kind of silent the first two games,
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: but we liked Austin Booker down the stretch last year.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: He got the forced fumble on the punch out against Bigsby,
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: the running back, set up a touchdown, and then he had two pressures, one unblocked.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he had to run stuff against a tight end.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's got to come through.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: And he had an encouraging moment here.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Then Oden Yangbo.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: I can't pronounce that.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: 32 snaps for him.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: 30 for Booker.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: And 38 for Sweat.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Number 55.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: He flashes up field stuff, Tyler.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: One time he charged up.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: Out of control and Barkley ran underneath him for a gain of 17.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: That was probably the long run of the game.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Down on the goal line, he beat Jenkins, that tight end, made the tackle, no gain.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: He plays inside on some passing downs because he's big enough and he will be the guard.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: He can edge a guard with his quickness.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then he had a sack against Kendall with a beautiful power rush, 3.5 seconds.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they're thin there, but maybe they can piece it together.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: That'll tell the story if they're really, you know, a Super Bowl caliber team.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's look at the linebackers.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: TJ Edwards.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: He missed Barkley early, seven-yard run.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: He missed him in the backfield.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: But then he had a tackle for loss in the flat on Barkley, minus two.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: He had a nice zone drop.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Point blank range, he dropped that pick.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: He eluded Kendall, made a tackle, gain a one.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then he bailed right at the snap,
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: smart as heck,
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: been around the block and made a play on Shipley over on the sideline.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then he got the interception zone, great catch, hell of a play.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's go to Devin Bush, his third game with the Bears.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: First play, bid on play action, crossing pattern, Lemon behind him, gain a 19.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Second play,
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Juergens,
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: the left guard,
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: he shoved him like 12 yards downfield, and the running play was worth 12.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's small.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's 5'11".
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: He got to hurry against Juergens.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: He does show the ability to blitz.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: He was slow to the outside on that 17-yard run by Barkley.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: He got carried for an extra three yards by Barkley on a gain of six.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he fights blocks that well.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: That was evident on a carry by Barkley for 14.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: But then down on the goal line on the one,
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: he ran in and made a great tackle for loss for a minus one.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: DeMarco Jackson, the weak backer, he played 20, the strong backer.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: He got the late hit on Hurts and he had a flush.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to the secondary.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, apparently Tyreek Stevenson is available to play, but he only played four snaps.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: Muhammad,
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: the rookie,
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this looks like a real draft pick, a fourth-round pick from Washington.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: And this guy's starting.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: He started as a nickel.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's starting outside.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: He played terrific ball.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: There was no damage on him at all.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up nothing in this game.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: When they did hit a few things,
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: it was on Jalen Johnson,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Devontae Smith beat him for 30, fine catch on it up, he didn't turn back.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Tackle for loss, he had a nice one on that swing pass, he shed a blocker.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: And Wicks got him for 19 later on in garbage time.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then Lewis is the slot, he went out with a hip injury late.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, with Kyle, Kyler Gordon already out, they don't want to lose Lewis.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Lewis got nicked on a PI for 21, but this guy, he is a quick fill in the run game.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: I admire his toughness, so we'll see.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then Woods is kind of a non-entity as the safety alongside
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: the good rookie, Thienemann.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Special teams, Santos, he's shaky on his kickoffs.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's trying all different types of kickoffs, short, long of the box, high, Line drives.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: He only had two of the seven either on the numbers or outside the numbers.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's what teams are trying to do.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Torrey Taylor got screwed on the touchback when the tight end,
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: Roush, the rookie, messed it up, the downing of it.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: He had two punts, but he hit them both great.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: Hangs was 5-0-0 and 4-7-6.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Jonah Jackson had a personal fall on an extra point protection.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Raymond is a real good return guy.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: And Corey Blackwell is one of the – Josh Blackwell is one of the top special teams guys.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: He had that – in the league, he had that thing down.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's it on the Bears, Tyler.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're 2-1.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, big picture, the quarterback position.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: If you're Ben Johnson, you like what you saw.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: With a quarterback,
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: rifling through his reads, his progressions, one to two to three to four.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's on time.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's where he wants Caleb Williams to get to.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: He has said it himself.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: He wants that completion percentage up.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe he does get there.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: In year three,
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: year two with Ben Johnson,
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: that's very conceivable with all of these weapons and a strong offensive line
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: that he can get to that point.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just really fascinated to see where this thing goes
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: because those quarterback contracts, it's all or nothing.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: There's no middle ground anymore, especially with Baker Mayfield getting paid.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sam Darnold will get paid at some point.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you're Malik Willis,
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: there's really not a middle class when it comes to paying quarterbacks.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: So you're talking north of $60 million a year, $70 million a year gets thrown around.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: At some point, Caleb Williams' representation himself, I'm not sure...
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: How that will go down.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: They'll want a lot of money.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it all comes down to the field, how he performs, obviously.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: And if he is able to calibrate within the X's and O's and everything
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: that Ben Johnson wants,
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: and they win a lot of games,
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: they win the division,
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: they win a playoff game or two, I'm sure he'll get to that tier.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: But a game like this,
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: I got to think it makes
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Ben Johnson at least use that other part of his brain
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: and okay.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Your move, Caleb.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see you operate this offense.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: Case Keenum just did it at 74 years old.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: Not even played in a few years.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm slightly exaggerating.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's old, but is he 38?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: So it'll be interesting to just see how Bajan performs now.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: They like Bajan a lot.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's a reason they re-signed him.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: They could have traded him.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure there'd be a market For a Tyson Bajant, somebody out there.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: They kept him.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: They paid him.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see what he can do now as the starter, you would think.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think Ben Johnson was noncommittal,
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: but he said there's a reason that Tyson Bajant won the number two job
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: in training camp,
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: which tells me, okay, he'll be starting against the New York Jets this week.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then they've got the Packers after that.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: So just an interesting,
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: in the short term,
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: obviously,
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Fighting for positioning in the NFC North,
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: but also the long term with that huge financial decision.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you're going to pay a quarterback that kind of money,
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: that means you can't pay other positions.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you're the LA Rams and Stan Kroenke, I guess.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: But it does complicate matters with your roster building.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: And they've operated on that rookie quarterback contract to this point
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: with Joe Tooney and Jonah Jackson.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: And they just paid DeAndre Swift.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: They've been able to pay.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: They paid the safety on defense.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was hurt.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: They've been able to do some things, which you can't do once you pay the quarterback.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Huge decision that looms.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Again, they scored 59 points against Carolina.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's the norm for Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears offense.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Then they had three against Minnesota.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: So the verdict is out.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody knows.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: You think Keenum's starting this week, don't you?
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think Bayton.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: After that?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: As
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: we're recording this, it kind of depends when people will be listening.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: So let me pull up the latest.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'd start Keenum.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's leaving the door open for Keenum or Tyson Bajan to
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Hang tight, Bob.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Quote, we'll have a discussion as a coaching staff and we'll see where we need to go
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: from here, but I said it last week and I'll say it again.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: There was a reason why Tyson ended training camp as our number two quarterback.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's Ben Johnson.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: If I was a betting man.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: I hear you.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Keenum looked great.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: Why would you?
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right, where do we want to go, Tyler?
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: Are we going to go?
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Spread is only
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: three, by the way.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: The spread is only three.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Bears, Jets.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: In Chicago, I want to say.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: So the Jets are getting.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen the Jets two games in a row now, you know, in their entirety.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: They're not bad.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: They're not bad at all.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to last Thursday night, Atlanta 35, Green Bay 14 at Lambeau Field, right?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Good God.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's hard to believe that that happened.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Home opener, they've won 13 in a row.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's always a festive occasion, you know, start of a new year, NFL's smallest city.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just, It's an awesome environment.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: I like it on a Sunday afternoon a lot better than a Thursday night, that's for sure.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: But I always loved that home opener.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Man, they desecrated that tradition and that game.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: The tackling was horrible.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: The offensive line play was worse.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Is Jordan Love ever going to run with the football?
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's had a carry all year.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure of that.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: Just dreadful football.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: This is the eighth year of LeFleur.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't look very good, man.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, he lost the right tackle.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: People lose people all the time, you know?
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: And want to start with the offensive line?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about them.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Ron Wolfe in the house,
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: Leroy Butler in the house, Desmond Howard, the Luminaries, 30 years later.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: They were all there?
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: 30 years since the 96 Super Bowl team.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: And they were treated to one of the worst losses at Lambeau Field this side of the dark ages.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's a fair statement, right?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: You've covered all these games, watched all these games.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's 92.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's got to be right up there.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: Tennessee came in there one night and did something.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: That was a terrible game.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: There's been some routes, but not many.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the circumstances.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's one thing if Derrick Henry rushes for more yards than anybody ever.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's walked into Lambeau Field like he did last year.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think the Ravens as a team put up 300, but that's the Ravens.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good football team.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Atlanta might be good, but they were 0-2 coming into this thing.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: They were blown out by Carolina the week prior.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Penix has had a million surgeries on his knees.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: This is his first start working off the rust.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's humiliating.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: I love the way you put it.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: Desecrate the stadium.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's humiliating.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Those fans have every right to boo, by the way.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Tucker Craft wasn't happy with that.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: It was strange to hear Tucker Craft.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: Usually he knows exactly what to say, how to say it.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Always on point.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: That missed the mark.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then some.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: And he played a terrible game.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: We'll get to that.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: He was awful.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: Guess what?
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: The fans own the team.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's different in Green Bay.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: They don't like what they see.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: They should boo.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe he had policy, should open up the window and listen.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: I know they don't fire anybody.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: They don't make these big changes.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's embarrassing.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we'll have more go along soon on the situation.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Just leave it at that.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to the O-line.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: We'll start with that, okay?
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: So you have veteran coaches.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: You've got Adam Stanovich.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's been the O-line coach.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: He joined LaFleur in 2019.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: O-line for three years and O-coordinator for four years.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's been around this group for seven years.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, this is his eighth year, excuse me.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Luke Butkus,
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: assistant O-line for three years,
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: O-line coach now for five years, replaced Stenevich.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: And Eddie Gordon, the assistant O-line coach, this is his third year.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: These are veteran people.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: And you've got a veteran GM,
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: Brian Gutekunst,
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: who just has not given these people, you can just see it, good players.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: They lose the right tackle who's their best player, no doubt.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Banks, that was an unrestricted signing two years last year.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: He did not play well last year.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's better than all the guards they got, but he sits out the game too.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: So they're down three starter, two starters.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: The guards they've played, Jacob Monk.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now he begins the year as the starting right guard.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler, he was terrible in this game.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: You got, they start Jaeger Burton, the fifth round pick.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Their scouts were extolling after they drafted the guy.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: He was awful.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: And Donovan Jennings, a free agent who made the club three years ago, he didn't play that much.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: He played seven snaps.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: He had played the game or two earlier, and he does not look like a player.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: So what have they done?
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: Green Bay in a panic mode because they've drafted poorly and developed poorly.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: Now they're going what they never do in Green Bay, desperation veteran moves.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Let's look what they got.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: They signed Lakin Tomlinson and I looked him up in my draft stuff.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: He was a first round pick of the Lions in 2015.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: He was such a disappointment with the Lions that after two years,
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: they traded him for a fifth round pick They send him to, uh, I'll get that later.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: Tomlinson had,
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: he's six,
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: three and a half, three, 19, five, two, six, but this is his six, 12th year.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now he was on the street, you know, he hasn't done anything.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he had 23 on the test arms, 33 and five, eight.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: 10 and an eight.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: How did he play?
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, You know, he spent a bunch of years in San Francisco as a starter from 17 to 21.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's who he was
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: traded to.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: He did not make the Pro Bowl.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: He was an injury replacement for the Pro Bowl in 2021.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: Don't call him a Pro Bowler.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's never been voted to a Pro Bowl.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he was a good player in San Francisco.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: I remember writing scouting reports, talking to scouts in those early years.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: But then he started to fall off when he went to the Jets.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: Then he went to Seattle.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Talked to a scout today who's seen a lot of tape on this guy.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: He said the last few years he has struggled to stay on his feet athletically.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's an aggressive,
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: physical, and smart player who can struggle to mirror and match and pass pro.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: The declining skill set has started to show up.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: All right, they also got Makai Beckton, a first round pick
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: in 2020.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Six, seven and a half, three, five, seven coming out.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Ran great, five, one, one.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's a Colossus,
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: 35 and five eighths arms,
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: 10 and three quarter hand, came out as a junior, 15 on the test.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Had problems early in his career.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then he...
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: He was playing quite a bit of tackle with the Jets.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then he goes to Philly, again,
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: with the great old line coach,
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Jeff Stoutland, and has his best year and they win the Super Bowl.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: Then he goes to the Chargers last year, had a bunch of injuries, concussion, knee.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: And the scout said, Becton was on the street due to a shoulder injury.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, by the way, now, Tomlinson's on the 53, Becton's on practice squad.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: He was just recently healthy.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: He really struggled in L.A. last year.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: He's had really only one good year as a right guard in Philly.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's always been talented, but injuries and instincts were an issue.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: He got with Stuntland for one year and played the best he ever has.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: He just couldn't sustain it.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, there are other veteran guards on the street that Green Bay could have gone to.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: They could have gone to James Daniels.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: They could have gone to Will Hernandez.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: These are all guys, eight, nine, 10-year guys who are on the street, generally available.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: Shaq Mason, the ex-Patriot.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's had some legal issues.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: Jamari Sawyer, the ex-Charger.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's been around.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's had some injury stuff.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: And Robert Jones, the ex-Miami starter who played poorly in the preseason.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Kevin Zeitler.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Who started all last year at Tennessee and he started all last year at right guard
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: for the Lions in 2024.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: He was in Green Bay for a tryout or a visit today.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: Zeitler wants a lot of money and I don't know if Green Bay is going to give it to him.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: He knows he's going to be a starter when somebody suffers an injury.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's holding out.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Daniels is kind of the same way.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: He wants money too.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Daniels has been with Washington.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Pittsburgh and Miami coming off a torn pec a year ago.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: So are they going to activate Becton?
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: But in this game, what we've seen,
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: Monk, I got him for six pressures and two bad runs.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was drafted as a center.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's small.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's 6'3".
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's smart.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: He's got short arms, 32 and 3A.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do they really think this guy's a player?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, it hasn't looked like it yet.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to Burton.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is the first start he made.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up seven pressures.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: He had one false start and one bad run.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: He's just a rookie, man.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is it a good draft pick?
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea, but right now it's not.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's not helping them.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: And Jennings, a street-free agent, in 24, he's been around.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's 6'4".
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't look like a player either.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: Belton, the guy who did look fairly decent at right guard last year, or no,
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: Ryan played right guard and then moved to center,
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: didn't he, at midseason, Sean Ryan.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think Ryan's a better guard than center too,
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: but Belton in this game, One, two, three, four pressures, two bad runs.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: He's not playing well.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they want to just be massive.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: You can tell by who they picked up here now.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Belton and Tomlinson, they're physical, straight ahead guys.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's what Belton is.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's, well, Monk's not that.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what Monk is.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: Ryan is that.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: Is Ryan a center?
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: He played pretty good in this game.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: You can't Blame Sean Ryan on this one.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: Morgan, he wasn't bad either.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up one sack late and three pressures.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: He was okay.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: But against the Atlanta front doing all this damage, Atlanta?
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: With Brandon Dorlis,
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: Lacalle London,
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Mason Smith,
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Z'Darrius Smith,
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: ex-Bear Gervon Dexter,
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: Brian Trice and Zach Harrison,
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: just shoving them around and getting pressure on love all night long.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding me?
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: They're desperate, obviously, because they do not make these veteran kind of acquisitions.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want these kind of players.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's never been Brian Goodenken's modus operandi.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: And they have to,
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: they're trying to save face and As embarrassing as it is,
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: they're going off the street getting old guys.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Brian Gutekinds before the season really expressed confidence in
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: the offensive linemen they have.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: Going 13-14 deep, said he was worried other teams could poach their guys.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it was our former colleague Tom Silverstein that asked him the question
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: at that press conference.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: If he Had looked around the wire or for other options on the offensive line
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: and Gutekind stood by what they had in house.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: And you're right, here they are.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: Lincoln, Tomlinson.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, these are names from yesteryear.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: Kevin Zeitler, he's played forever.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I wonder what kind of money he wants and I wonder how much game he has to give
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: because whatever the cost is,
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: if he's the best of the bunch and you just had him in on a visit,
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Just pay it.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you studied him.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: He was with the Lions two years ago, Titans last year.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think he has left?
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: A lot.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: He's from the state, too.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's a Milwaukee guy, Wisconsin.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: So why not just pay up?
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: Just pay him.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what their cap situation is.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're this desperate, I guess, already, what's a little more desperation?
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well...
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: How long is Banks going to be out?
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a toe and a knee, I think it is, right?
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's a big, massive guy, too.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: They have these brawlers and maulers.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: They can't do anything in the screen game or any kind of counter stuff or zone.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: They got to be straight ahead up, push straight ahead, wall off, block.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, that ground game has changed a lot under LaFleur.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's keep going.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: The receivers, Golden had a good game, you know.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, caught five for 100.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a career high.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, he did drop a couple balls.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped a slant.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped an out.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: Love didn't get a lot of help in this game, but he didn't play very well himself at all.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: Watson, he had a holding penalty.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: He had a touchdown off motion.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: He had a catchable ball on an out that was knocked away by C.J.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: Henderson.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: And he beat the safety Nick Bowman on a 34-yard play.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: Sky Moore had a screen that was pretty good.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: Melton and Sturdivant, the young guys each played 21.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how long Ryan's out.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: Or Reed, excuse me.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: All right, that's their Tucker Craft.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: Poor overhead adjustment to an out and on an out and up against Daniels on a deep throw.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Dropped ball that was broken up by Bates.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'd give him a drop on the thing.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped a screen.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped the ball inside.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: Terrible game.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: How can a guy have that ability play like that?
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: He just drags down the whole team on a night like that.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: Jonu Smith made one good low catch, 22 snaps for him, 50 for Kraft.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's it at the receivers, the running backs.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: 15 for Lloyd, 24 for Iowa, Iowa's Johnson, and 27 for Brooks.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, they don't trust Lloyd, you know.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's the guy with all the ability.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: 15 snaps.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: He's third in the snap list.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: He looks like he wants to bounce things outside.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: Third and one, though, he got the thing.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a lot of moves, but he's not making people miss one-on-one.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: He tried that against the cornerback, Hughes, and just got drilled.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: Johnson broke a tackle by Bowman in the flat,
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: gained an extra nine, and Brooks is just kind of a guy.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Love.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: They got to roll him out, and he has to demonstrate the ability to run the football, Tyler.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: He's offering no run dimension right now.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's under siege, certainly in this game, behind a deficient offensive line.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: He seldom had a clean pocket, but yet he threw wildly on third and four to incomplete to Watson.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: He overthrew Golden when he was open on a double move against Hughes.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: He made a good bomb to Golden for 45.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: He hit Watson on the touchdown off rollout action, one of those rollover deals.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: He underthrew an open golden on a corner.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: So Bowman came over and almost picked it up, broke it up.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: He threw a beautiful deep curl for 22.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: He made a bad decision on an incompletion to Caleb Johnson when Kraft was open on
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: the other side.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: Going down, he threw a backward pass.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: Caromed over to Kraft.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: He got lucky there.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: He suffered a batted ball, threw a ball low on the flat.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: He had a bunch of drops, no doubt.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: 15-yard touchdown.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: He fit that thing in there.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: Dropped interception by the safety Watts.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: He got picked on the last play.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: At least he finished the game, unlike Aaron Rodgers.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_00: So that's it on the offense, Tyler.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: 14 points.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_01: Would Aaron take him out, take himself out of those situations?
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: And the coaches went along with it always, too, you know.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, Aaron Rodgers was the one in charge those four years.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was dismal.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: I can't sit here and.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Declare Jordan Love the future of football after a game like that.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_01: Bob McGinn, that is for sure.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: And there are plenty of justifiable excuses.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's under siege.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: All of the drop passes.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: But you're paying a quarterback $55 million a year to rise above.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: He could not rise above.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: I would like to see Matt LaFleur and the Packers create some easy completions.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the completion percentage is awful.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: I was looking back in 2023 when they were 2-5 and nobody knew if Jordan Love was
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: the long-term answer.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Brian Kutikens himself had that mid-season press conference and said,
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: okay, these last 10 games, we're going to figure out if he's our quarterback.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: At that point, he was dead last in the NFL in completion percentage at, I believe, 57.7%.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he's lower than that through three games.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: 52.4.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: Much lower.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: So something's amiss, and it's all the above, but create some easy completions.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: You just watched Case Keenum.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: You broke it down on how, I mean, the first drive, right?
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Bing, bang, boom.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: They're moving right down the field.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of all or nothing with this Packers passing game.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: Too often.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: Even last season.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: You should never lose a road playoff game when your quarterback throws for 300,
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: four touchdowns and no picks.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: But there were a lot of incompletions in that game too.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: I love the explosive plays.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's a game of explosive plays.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: But a little short to intermediate passing game wouldn't kill you too if you're Green Bay.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler, he's lost his security blankets, Romeo Dobbs, Jaden Reed, and Dontavian Wicks.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: Golden's not a security blanket.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: Watson's not either.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: The only one he's got is crap.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: Melton's not that.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's more of a personnel issue to you than a schematic one.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's part of it.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like it was a problem last year, though, too.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_00: They let Wicks and Dobbs get out of there, and they lost Reed with an injury.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a very good receiving core.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: And they got no game.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's null and void with this line and those backs.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: They traded for Caleb Johnson, right?
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they traded for the guy.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_00: Jacobs, I don't know if he even has a future in Green Bay.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to the D. They do have
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: an undrafted quarterback coming to town.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, well, we'll get to it, I'm sure.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: Hit on Packers defense first.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: Let's stick, okay, let's remember, let's just go to that guy.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I got what a scout said on this Jalen Daniels,
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: who's going to be quarterbacking Tampa Bay from Kansas.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's six foot, one half inch.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's a little guy, 221.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's thick.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: He ran 4.64.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_00: I had him as a 13th guy.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: He has some explosive playmaking ability.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's a four-year captain, first time ever in school history, which is pretty impressive.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: Has a strong arm when his feet are in sync with his release.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: Has a lack of height and some injury history as well.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: His tendency to run could impede his longevity, but he could be a solid backup.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's a one scout, his assessment.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: So they got a massive break with 0-3 Tampa Bay,
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: who's going to be frothing at the mall to get out of that for Todd Bowles.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: And now they don't have their indispensable player, Baker Mayfield.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: All right, defense.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, Bill Callahan,
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: the old offensive line coach with the Wisconsin background, he really got after him.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: Panics.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's got braces out there.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he looked terrible the first two series.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't you think, Tyler?
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_00: He just looked like he wanted walking gingerly.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: I just thought this is going to be a route.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: But then they started running the ball and it was just over.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_00: Let's look at the front.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: Jonathan Ford was not a factor.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_00: 28 snaps.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_00: He really didn't get it done.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: He just wasn't effective.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: Then you got Brooks.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: He blew up the center once for a tackle for loss.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: He got to run stuff against a double team.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: He missed a tackle.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: He played 43 inside.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: Wyatt, Devontae Wyatt, played 34.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: He was a disappointment in this game.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_00: He got pancaked by that really good guard, Chris Lindstrom, on the run for 31 yards.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't get anything done.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to Hargrave, Javon Hargrave, the veteran, 33 snaps.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_00: Third and one, why is he on the field?
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_00: He should not be on the field in any short yardage, any rundown.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: They ran right at him, six yard touchdown.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: He got solo blocked by the left tackle, Jake Matthews.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: He missed a tackle.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: He had one hurry.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now he is a pass rusher.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's what he has.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's why they paid him all that money.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's not going to stop the run for you.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: And McClellan, the rookie 29 snaps, made no plays.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's look outside.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_00: Van S, he had two pressures and one run stuff.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: He was okay.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: Cox, Brenton Cox on the other side, you know, he's starting for Parsons.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: He was unblocked one time, stayed home, made the tackle, minus two.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: He had a roughing the passer penalty, and he beat a tight end and had another run stuff.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: He hasn't had any pressures yet, but he's not a terrible football player.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: He goes pretty hard too.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's that bad.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: Sorrell, second year man over on the other side, he got edged one time, a gain of 16.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: He made nothing happen.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: Dennis Sutton, the rookie, 39 snaps.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_00: He got a holding call on the right tackle, Jawan Taylor.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: Made nothing happening.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's go to the backers.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: Not good.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_00: Franklin and Cooper.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Let's start with Franklin.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: They each play 71 snaps for Franklin.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_00: Cooper played 54, got injured.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: McDuffie then played the last 18.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Franklin.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_00: He got pancaked by a puller.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: Fine diagnosis.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: Tackle for loss.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_00: He beat the pulling guard Bergeron.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: He does.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_00: He reacts.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: He sees things.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a nose for the ball.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_00: But he's small and he gets covered up.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: He also is a pretty good tackler.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: He gets guys down for his size and his age.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: He gets them down when he hits them.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: But he overran the ball on one play, gaining nine.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: On the 55-yard run by
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_00: Bijan, he was two steps late to the sideline.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_00: He lacks range, obviously.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: He was a seventh-round pick.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he wasn't fast coming out.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_00: He runs through, knocked into a tight end, was late, gained a 10 on the ground.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_00: He missed London.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_00: Fell on his butt in space, gained a seven.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: He missed Bijan inside, gained a six.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: Tackle for loss on the goal line, nice play.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: He ran in and missed Bijan in the backfield, gain of 31.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: He got overpowered on a cutback, gain of seven.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot more negative than positive there.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's go to Cooper.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_00: All right, now this is a down and dirty game against really good people.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good offensive line for Atlanta.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: Those guards,
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_00: Bergeron and Lindstrom,
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_00: and Matthews can still play a tackle, and the center's Nuzo is smart.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: Cooper just kind of flits around, Tyler.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_00: He jumps inside on a screen.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: Bijan bounces outside, gain of seven.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_00: He gets killed at the point of attack by the tight end Charlie Warner on the gain of 55.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's a grab tackler.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_00: He grabbed Bijan's towel.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_00: Bijan kept going, six more.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_00: He missed Zacchaeus on a dump, gain of five.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_00: He got pancaked by Taylor at the point of attack, gain of 10.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: Made a tackle for loss on the next play, minus three, eluded Bergeron.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_00: He overruns a play, gain of eight, and then he suffered a concussion late in the third.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_00: Poor linebacker play.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to the secondary.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Cissé played all 70.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_00: They all played 70.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_00: They all played every snap, and Bullard played 46 at the Knicks.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Cissé.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well covered early,
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: deep ball to Dotson,
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: well covered, incomplete, deep out to Branch, incomplete, well covered.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_00: He missed the tackle on the 55 yard run by Bijan, he was an ankle biter, he missed the thing.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: He had another miss at the line of scrimmage, gain of 16.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_00: Another ankle bite attempted.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: Illegal contact against the rookie branch.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_00: He bid on a double move.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_00: London gained a 68.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_00: At least he showed catch-up speed after he got burned.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then London beat him on an end for 16.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's a rookie and he showed growing pains here.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_00: Nixon missed the tackle on Bijan on the 55.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up the sideline on that 31-yard run.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_00: What's he doing getting inside on that thing?
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_00: Stay outside.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_00: Your help is inside.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then he got beat by London on London Big Boydum on that 50-50 ball for 40.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to the safeties.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_00: Evan Williams.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: He had a hurry, came from deep, pressured Penix.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: He had a terrible angle on that 55-yard run.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_00: Just get him down.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_00: You got to throttle down and get to the sideline on the thing.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: He looked at fault on that five-yard touchdown pass to Hooper.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_00: And the two-point pass, I can't remember what happened there.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_00: McKinney, he made a great exceptional break on that dig route for the pick.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_00: He can do that.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: That makes him dangerous.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_00: But he is worthless in the box.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_00: He was in position to make that play on that 55-yard run.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_00: The guy gained an extra 25.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_00: He says, let someone else do it.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's like his philosophy, man.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_00: He let Dotson run through him for a first down at the stakes.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't get down and dirty, and then he lets that little Dotson run through him.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_00: He will not throw his body around.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: He just won't do it, Tyler.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_00: Unless, yeah, he will do it when he absolutely positively has to do it.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: When it's either do it or you're going to lose your career, he'll do it.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: But that's a rarity.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: And on the six-yard touchdown, he gave up on the tight end, let the runner go.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_00: The tight end was blocking him.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_00: Bullard, he disguises his blitz as well.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_00: He had a hurry.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_00: He missed Branch.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_00: 16, London beat him inside.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_00: Special team, Smack had the field goal blocked because Belton blew it.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_00: Good job on kickoffs.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's directionally very good.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's one of the best I've seen in the league.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_00: He gets them up.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_00: The numbers are outside almost every time.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_00: Waylon bounced back real good.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: Five punts, 50.0, 45.6, 4.66 on the hang time.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_00: Sky Moore, that guy's running hard.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_00: He's a bitch.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_00: Five kickoffs, 26.8.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_00: I respect his toughness.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_00: McDuffie had a missed tackle.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's it for Green Bay.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're one and two.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Can I request that we
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_00: hear that one again?
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's a bitch.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_01: And the most endearing intonation possible.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_01: Beautifully put.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_00: He was.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, this game, it really was a bitch for the Packers.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, watch 29 on that long.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: Bishon Robinson was at the 55-yarder.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you isolate on him,
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_01: it's basically what Bob McGinn has been saying on this podcast
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_01: since Xavier McKinney put on a Packers jersey.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a wild ride, man.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: You're at Disney,
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: and you're just taking twists and turns and It's a small world after all kind
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: of moment for Xavier McKinney on that.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_00: But when it comes time to Pro Bowl voting, people will see that on a highlight tape.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_00: They'll see that pick, and he'll get votes because he got a pick.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's funny.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_01: You don't really see the NFL Network or
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_01: the NFL YouTube channel pumping out 15 minutes of lowlights on these players.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't really happen, does it?
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we have the greatest to ever do it.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: Bob on the show.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_01: There's no way you can put lipstick on this pig.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: The Packers are in a world of hurt right now.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: I guess they're saving grace as they've got an undrafted rookie from Kansas this week.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_01: Chicago looks pretty damn good without their starting quarterback,
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_01: but I'm guessing he'd face another backup quarterback in that game.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_01: There's talent.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think that we do differ.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like there is enough personnel here to put up a lot of points.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: I still like Jordan Love.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_01: I like the weapons probably more than you.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_01: I agree that the offensive line is a mess.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_01: Figure it out.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_01: Give them some time some way, somehow.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_01: Run the ball a little some way, somehow.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe you can get back.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there was a point last year, they're 9-3-1 going to Denver.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_01: You're thinking NFC North champs.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: You're thinking host and playoff games.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we were talking about, yep.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: Watson gets hurt.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Granted, he did return.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_01: But Micah Parsons tears his ACL.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_01: There's no retribution for your quarterback's head getting whacked into the turf.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_01: You lose that game.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_01: You blow the 10-point lead with two minutes to go against Chicago.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: You get steamrolled by Baltimore.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_01: You rest your starters against Minnesota.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Another inconceivable loss to Chicago.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Inconceivable week one loss to Minnesota.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_01: What was it?
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_01: How many unanswered points?
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: 28.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever it was against Carson Wentz.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: And now fans are wondering if a return to those dark ages is a possibility.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you watch that loss to Atlanta.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how you couldn't let those thoughts creep into your mind.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was ugly.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_01: But you've got a quarterback.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_01: You've got an edge rusher.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: You've got some weapons.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's enough hope to conjure, I'll say.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'll leave the door open.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_00: So Tyler, this is an easy game to prepare for, isn't it?
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now, yeah, you're going down in the heat, no question.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_00: And you're going to be wearing green jerseys.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Bucks will make sure of that.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Down there this week for the Vikings, it was 83 degrees, 66% humidity.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's 149.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's a massive red flag.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's a bitch for northern teams going down there.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_00: All those IVs, I used to see them in that locker room.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_00: All right, LaFleur's got 10 days to teach off this thing.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_00: You let them have the weekend off.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_00: They're fresh.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_00: He can be on them constantly.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_00: All these coaches, there are 35 coaches, whatever they got.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_00: They can be on these guys.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_00: They're well-rested.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_00: You have got to come out and play with fire and energy right from the opening kickoff.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Blow them out,
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_00: get after this young guy,
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_00: knock them out of the game,
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_00: attack, just Play reckless and fearless with pride, energy.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Blow them out.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_00: This is what LeFleur's got to show in this game.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_00: Not just a 17-13 victory or something.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_01: You should run them out of their own building.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Anything less would be discouraging for a team that fancied itself a Super Bowl contender.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have a prediction for us?
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Do you?
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_01: See, that's poor journalism on my part.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_01: My question should have been, what's your prediction, Bob?
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Give us a score.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then, subconsciously, you would have jumped right to one.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think Green Bay wins, but I think it's close.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think you're going to get that blowout.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think they just find a way to Eek it out.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_00: This old line's got to deal with Dita Vea.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's nasty.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Ask Blake Brandel of the Vikings.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's a beast.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a reason that he was holding out for more money.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_01: He deserves it.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't think they're going to do it.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_01: They're desperate, man.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_01: I know they don't have Baker Mayfield.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_01: They're 0-3.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Todd Bowles is fighting for his job.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, LeFleur is going to try to run the ball.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: He's got to, but it's going to be hard.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be hard against that club.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Alex Anzalone is there.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they got some players.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Reuben Bain didn't play against the Vikings.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think he might be back.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_00: But they're going to be on the field all day, I suspect, and Tampa will tire.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_00: That defense will tire out.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Let's keep it moving.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to the Vikes, huh?
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_00: So they're 3-0, Tyler.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_00: They lose Jefferson after seven plays,
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_00: and they really struggle, and it's a battle, but they win the game 23-16.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_00: It went right down to the end.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Baker Mayfield got injured in the last couple minutes, and the Vikings prevailed.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_00: All right, what do we want to look at here?
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler Murray is now 4-0 against Baker Mayfield.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Two Heismans, two number one picks.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Mayfield was really rattled by the Vikings.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_00: We'll get to that in a second.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: All right,
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: so Jefferson's gone,
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_00: so Addison has to step up to be the wide receiver one, and he did it.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Deep corner against cover two, dragged that toe, replayed, Concurred with a call, 30-yard gain.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_00: 41-yard touchdown against Jacob Parrish, a second-year corner.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Better adjustment.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: They were stride for stride, and Addison's got a lot of ability, Tyler, and he made the play.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_00: He was against bump coverage and made an inside release.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_00: But again, we'll get to Murray, but Jennings played 47.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_00: Felton played 32.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_00: Neither one of them caught a ball.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Hawkinson played 50 snaps, caught two for 11.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_00: They were null and void in the air.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_00: They lose Jefferson.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_00: They won the game because of their D and their special teams.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_00: They suffered an injury.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_00: You got their seventh year tight end, eighth year Josh Oliver, really an outstanding blocker.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Out for the year, torn biceps.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_00: He had 24 snaps before he got hurt.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_00: He did not play great in this game, but he's a big factor behind Hawkinson.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Moving up has to be Gavin Bartholomew, a second-year guy who's really never played.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_00: They got Cam Grandy on the practice squad.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the offensive line.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Blake Brandl had his hands full like everybody does against Vito Vea.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_00: He had a bad run against Vea for one.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_00: He had a bad run.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_00: They got another beast inside too, Elijah Simmons, and he couldn't move Simmons unblocked.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_00: He had a bad run against Vea and a batted ball.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_00: Vea walked him back to the passer.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, Brandl, is he as good as Bradbury, the guy they let go?
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think so.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Who did they start last year?
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Was it Brando all year?
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_00: But he's okay.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_00: Their line is intact.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's what's huge.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Unlike Green Bay and Detroit, their line is intact.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Go from left to right.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Derisaw, he had one holding penalty.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up half a bad run.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Protection, outstanding against whatever they were throwing at him.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Guys like the ex-Lyon, Mohamed, couldn't get anything against him.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_00: They don't have much outside really with Bain injured.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_00: The left guard was Jackson, the second-year man.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_00: He had some problems.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_00: He had half a bad run against Simmons.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_00: He had a hole against Roberts, another big guy inside.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Gave up a flush.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Half a bad run against Roberts.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_00: He pancaked Veya on fourth and one, gain of three.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was a massive block by Jackson.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think the guy's come on in his second year.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_00: He was a first-round pick.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to be all right.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Brando, we covered the right guard, Fries, the ex-Colt.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_00: He was okay in this game, and O'Neal was really good at protection.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Both tackles were outstanding.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_00: He had two bad runs.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_00: They ran the ball a lot.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Kyler Murray.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so he starts over Wentz.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_00: He had only played 11 plays in the first two games, and he's back.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_00: First play, drills Jefferson on a dig for 22.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_00: I write down play action.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Exclamation point.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was a great throw, Tyler.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Just watch it here.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually watching the replay as you're dissecting.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_01: That was a hell of a throw.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_00: But that was it.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Third and 10, the pocket breaks down.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_00: What's he do?
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_00: He runs for 11.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful, man.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_00: This was early.
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_00: This is all chronological order.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: The sack, it's on him.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_00: He ran to it 4.8 seconds.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Made a great throw in that deep corner to Addison for 30.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now this is still first half.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_00: And he made a really good toss on that 41 yard touchdown.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_00: Vail was bullying Brandel and bearing down on him.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_00: It was a hell of a throw.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_00: He had three batted balls in this game, Tyler.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_00: One by Roberts, one by Vea, and another one by Vea.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_00: The guy just collapses the pocket.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Love's going to experience this Sunday.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_00: He underthrew an open Addison on a likely touchdown deep.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_00: He had a delay of game penalty.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was reeked of lack of preparation.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Hawkinson was open on the sideline, 20-yard gain.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_00: He missed him.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_00: He has jittery feet.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_00: He throws high, he throws offline.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Without Jefferson, he seemed to lack confidence in the people running the routes.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_00: They had nothing going on.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_00: He ran around, took another sack, five seconds, five minutes left.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Not a very inspiring performance by Murray.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Wentz did not play.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_00: The running backs, Aaron Jones is really carrying the show without Mason.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_00: He played 47 snaps, and they only gave
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_00: DJ Dallas nine and Claiborne, the rookie, three.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to have to integrate those guys.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_00: Jones is going to wear down, man.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped the promising screen pass.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Jones, he always lowers that shoulder when contact comes.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_00: You respect the hell out of the guy for that.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_00: He had gave up half a hurry against Cancy.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_00: He got lined, messed up with a D lineman.
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Fourth and one, tight run.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_00: He got it, gain of three.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Then he hurt his right knee, sat for a while, came back.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Dallas gave up a sack.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Claiborne, they don't trust Claiborne.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_00: That was his problem, the grasp of the offense coming out of Wake.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_00: Bredesen, the fullback, the banger, 10 snaps.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_00: You'll see him against the Bucs.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_00: First play, ISO on Dennis, the backup backer.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, he's a starter.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Gaining nine.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_00: And he pancaked the safety Smith on an ISO.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_00: And he just roughs them up, unpiling.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_00: I like Bredesen.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_00: All right, that's it on the Viking offense, Tyler.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_00: How many yards?
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_00: 234, and they win this game.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_01: What's the status of Justin Jefferson while we record this?
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Ankle injury, right?
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it seems like they kind of dodged a bit of a bullet on what it could have been.
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_01: If you just hang tight, I can give our listeners something here.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Not expected to miss any time.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_01: The latest we have.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's big.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_01: He went down and it just seemed like the whole passing game was out of sorts.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, before I forget, too,
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_01: talking to Jalen Daniels, the Buccaneers quarterback that Green Bay will be facing.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Just hit me that I had Lance Leipold, the Kansas head coach on the pod a few years ago.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he was here in Buffalo and then he was in Wisconsin before that.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_01: So we've kind of kept in touch over the years.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I just figured out what the hell,
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just shoot him a text message while we're recording the podcast,
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_01: get his thoughts on Jalen.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_00: And he wrote, he goes,
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_01: that's awesome for Jalen.
• 1:23:04
  SPEAKER_01: He has once again persevered and found a way.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_01: I hope he can show enough in these couple opportunities to show that he can last
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_01: in this league.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Captain there several years, like you noted, at Kansas.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Vikings, it's all about the defense still.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_01: They're 3-0.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think that even Chase Edmonds, one of Kyla Murray's best friends, played with him in Arizona.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Bullish thinks this is going to work out and that they'll be putting on a fireworks display.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Even he said that with Kevin O'Connell's offense,
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_01: what he knows about it,
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_01: what he knows about Kyler Murray's game,
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_01: he expected things to be a little work in progress-y early on.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you throw a concussion in there, then Justin Jefferson gets hurt.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to rush to any conclusions either way because I still like this fit.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_01: I still think he can work in this offense.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't need to be an all-pro with the way this Minnesota defense has been playing either.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a healthy O-line.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_00: He does not have depth at wide receiver.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_00: He lost his blocking tight end.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_00: They lost their power back.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_00: They're pretty thin on offense.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think most coordinators would take a Justin Jefferson and a Jordan Addison, though, right?
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_00: I guess you're right, Tyler.
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_00: And Jawan Jennings is not bad as a three, is he?
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, but still, like an injury or two, and you see what you see against Tampa.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe we're both right there.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_01: They can't lose a guy or two offensively.
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because they don't have that depth.
• 1:25:04
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the defense.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the Bucs couldn't get anything going.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_00: They were just stymied by Brian Flores.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Mayfield was rattled, wild.
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_00: What was Mayfield?
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_00: 17 out of 34, passer rating 67-9, 217 in the air.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the guy's an all-time fighter,
• 1:25:29
  SPEAKER_00: and he – He must have spun away from three or four sacks.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_00: The guy is so gutty.
• 1:25:36
  SPEAKER_00: And he still gets sacked six times.
• 1:25:39
  SPEAKER_00: It could have been 10, Tyler.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_00: Man, he's got a lot of guts.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so Redmond, their best guy in the front, he didn't have a big day.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_00: He had one batted ball and 56 snaps.
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Rodriguez, who only played 28, half as much,
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_00: He was getting after Cody Mock, the good right guard.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_00: He had a flush against him.
• 1:26:05
  SPEAKER_00: He got a holding penalty on Mock with an explosive getoff.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_00: Barton's a really good center.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_00: He got a holding penalty on him on a rush, and he got a flush on Barton.
• 1:26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Rodriguez really played well in this game.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_00: So the rookies, they play together.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Dominique Orange, only 13.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Big centers.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_00: 12.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_00: They were not factors in this game.
• 1:26:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then Ingram Dawkins played 51.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_00: And he's a hold the fort guy.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, now the backers.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, outside.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go to Van Ginkle.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_00: He had one knockdown.
• 1:26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Turner.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_00: A flush.
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_00: A face mask.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_00: He got a face mask penalty.
• 1:26:53
  SPEAKER_00: He played 63 out of.
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think he sat four snaps, Tyler.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_00: And one of those four was a 40-yard touchdown pass to Ted Hurst, the rookie.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_00: They've got to have him on the field.
• 1:27:11
  SPEAKER_00: He takes one of four snaps, a touchdown.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Gadecki,
• 1:27:20
  SPEAKER_00: the kid from Wisconsin,
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_00: rural Wisconsin, down by, what is it, Reidsville or Brilliant down that way.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_00: The old Olympian conference that I covered in the mid to late seventies at
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_00: the Green Bay Press Gazette.
• 1:27:32
  SPEAKER_00: And to get that in, he did well against Turner.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_00: He really did.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_00: And over on the other side, the left tackle worse is one of the best in the business.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wilson or Turner did not dominate this game.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_00: The other outside guy, the backup, the guy they picked up very shrewdly was Kyle Vannoy.
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Vannoy just got moved.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's been a standard elevation here off the practice squad for the first three games.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_00: And now today they activated him.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_00: So now he's on the 53.
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_00: Let's look at Vannoy, Tyler.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Second round pick of the Lions in 2014.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_00: I forgot he was a Lion.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have any memory of that.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's big, 6'3", 245.
• 1:28:28
  SPEAKER_00: He ran great back then, 4'6", 6".
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Wunderlich, not so good.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_00: He took it twice, 13 and 16.
• 1:28:37
  SPEAKER_00: But the scouts, I remember, they said he was football smart.
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Arms, not good, 31 and 5'8".
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_00: But this guy is just a football player.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_00: And in this game, 17 snaps.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_00: He drove inside against Mock and got a sack in 3.3.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_00: He got a hurry on a spin move against Werff, unblocked.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_00: He goes in, he gets a tackle for loss.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then he beats Gedeke off the ball, running play minus four.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_00: He's a hell of a pickup.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they had Batty and Chambliss and Richter, all these guys who are non-factors.
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's given them a third guy like the loss of Grenard was.
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_00: And the loss of D.J.
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_00: Wanham two years before that, Kyle Van Hoy is a hell of a pickup for this defense.
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_00: And Flores knows the guy.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's really big.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we covered Turner.
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's go to Eric Wilson at the backers.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he had a hell of a game, Tyler.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_00: This guy, they paid him.
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_00: They were so smart to pay this veteran.
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Third and two, they run a scene to Otten, man coverage.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_00: He beat them.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Great throw, great catch.
• 1:29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Gain of 37.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_00: They blitzed and he beat Wilson by half a step.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_00: He batted a ball.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped into the throwing lane, batted the thing, you know, the way they sometimes bail out.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_00: He got in the throwing lane.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_00: He got a sack against the running back.
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_00: He just struck a blow against the back.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember who it was.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Minus three on a running play, alluded Gedeke.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_00: He just crawls in on a knockdown.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_00: He's crawling and fighting.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_00: He had to run stuff on a gain of one.
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_00: He had a hurry.
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_00: He got a holding penalty on the tight end, Durham.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_00: And he had a knockdown against the running back, Irving.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_00: He was their MVP, I think, in this game.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_00: He was awesome.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_00: Cashman.
• 1:30:41
  SPEAKER_00: Dominique Orange takes up two blockers.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Capsman goes right behind him, makes a good solo stick.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Unblock, stunt, knockdown, flush on third and two, hits the A-gap, untouched.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_00: He runs cross blitzes with either Pace or Wilson, and it's a very deadly thing.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_00: They don't do it that much.
• 1:31:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's the old 3-4 Hank Bulla thing.
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_00: The backers in the A-gap and they cross before they go, man, it's hard to handle sometimes.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_00: He had a sack in the A-gap on that cross blitz, 2.5 seconds.
• 1:31:15
  SPEAKER_00: He had another knockdown.
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_00: And Pace, he only plays 16 snaps, you know, but he had a flush against Otten and he had a sack.
• 1:31:26
  SPEAKER_00: He ran right through Otten.
• 1:31:31
  SPEAKER_00: Otten was in as a fullback, 2.3 seconds.
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_00: The secondary, Metellus has been kind of quiet early.
• 1:31:40
  SPEAKER_00: He played all 69.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of an intimidator,
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_00: and it's hard to be an intimidator in this stage of the game with all the penalties.
• 1:31:48
  SPEAKER_00: But he had a great breakup to McMillan on the first third down.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think that knocked McMillan out of the game.
• 1:31:55
  SPEAKER_00: He was in the box a lot.
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_00: He had an unnecessary roughness.
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's really a good player.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_00: They've been healthy on defense.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's so crucial.
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Harrison Smith, he only playing half the time, 31 snaps.
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_00: He comes up to the line of scrimmage and he will blitz or he will bail.
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's really the key.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's making calls up there and he is an important factor when he can do both, man.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_00: He can be effective.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_00: Rodgers playing good football.
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's not really getting beat.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's a good corner.
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's small, but he's physical and he's good.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Murphy was not challenged once in this game.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's how good he is.
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's the best corner in the division and he's playing good football.
• 1:32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Pierre was fine.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_00: Reichardt, he's made 26 in a row now, Tyler.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_00: He hit from 54, 56, and 43.
• 1:32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Extra point, there was a penalty.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Hits from 48 on the extra point.
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_00: Hecker, eight punts.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_00: He was in for the injury.
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Rookie Thorson, 46-5, 41-5, 4.48 hang time.
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't like it, and they cut him today.
• 1:33:11
  SPEAKER_00: Price, a confident second-year guy.
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_00: 86-yard punt return.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_00: The ball was only hang time, only 4-3-8.
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Outkicked his coverage a little bit.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_00: Dixon did.
• 1:33:23
  SPEAKER_00: Whew.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_00: 86 yards.
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_00: He is so confident.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_00: When there's bouncing short punts, he's clearing out traffic.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_00: It looks like he's been in the, Brian Mitchell, like in his 10th year or something.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_00: He just takes charge.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_00: This Price guy is an interesting cat.
• 1:33:41
  SPEAKER_00: And he's a good return guy, does both.
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's it for the bikes.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_01: So we did a feature on Eric Wilson.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_01: For those who missed it, it's in the archives at Golong.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Wanted to just share...
• 1:33:55
  SPEAKER_01: A few quotes because now we can see the violence on our screen in light of his wisdom.
• 1:34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Really fascinating conversation and very introspective, curious soul, as Blake Cashman put him.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_01: So here's Eric Wilson.
• 1:34:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I just love this.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_01: Philosophically, how Brian Flores and the Vikings approach defensive football.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's different than I think most coordinators, most teams think about defense.
• 1:34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Eric Wilson here, quote,
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_01: some people may think of defense as defending the field,
• 1:34:29
  SPEAKER_01: but really you're attacking the ball.
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_01: The whole game, you're attacking the ball.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_01: You're the aggressor.
• 1:34:35
  SPEAKER_01: The offense has to defend the ball.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_01: They're technically attacking the field to score, but we're attacking the ball.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Every play, they have to defend.
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone who has the ball, what are they doing?
• 1:34:48
  SPEAKER_01: They're trying to technically score, but they have to defend the ball every single play.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_01: We're in attack mode.
• 1:34:56
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that was interesting.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Never really thought of it that way.
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_01: You think defense,
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_01: you're defending,
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_01: you're trying to prevent something from happening, that being a touchdown.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_01: And the way Flores calls a defense with either Wilson or Cashman, they're going.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Harris is coming down to the line of scrimmage.
• 1:35:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's either going or bailing, like you said, Bob.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_01: So many moving parts,
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_01: and they're constantly ingraining into their heads to punch at the ball,
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_01: strip it loose, do whatever you can to just create havoc.
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Let me find some more Eric Wilson.
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_01: He does enjoy playing one of the teams that let him exit the building,
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_01: be it Green Bay or anybody, quote, mother F somebody just because.
• 1:35:43
  SPEAKER_01: I remember we were playing Green Bay and that happened.
• 1:35:46
  SPEAKER_01: You use that as fuel when you're playing those specific teams.
• 1:35:49
  SPEAKER_01: But when you're out there, man,
• 1:35:50
  SPEAKER_01: you realize it's an honor and a privilege to be here,
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_01: man, and take every single snap.
• 1:35:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's an absolute blessing.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's my mentality.
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of interesting stuff.
• 1:36:00
  SPEAKER_01: But I like that point that he made, Bob, on attacking the ball.
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_01: And you can see that watching a Vikings game.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_01: They swarm.
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's different there.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it starts during the week.
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_01: This is...
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's an interesting dynamic.
• 1:36:15
  SPEAKER_01: Kevin O'Connell, an offensive guy, obviously.
• 1:36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Brian Flores, the defensive coordinator.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Two very different coaching styles.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Two different temperaments.
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Offenses, they're working through it.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_01: Strange press conference, in my opinion.
• 1:36:30
  SPEAKER_01: They traded J.J. McCarthy to the New York Giants.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't work out.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_01: Look, he drafted him 10th overall.
• 1:36:38
  SPEAKER_01: And he was your third stringer this year for a reason.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_01: We had all the reporting at And our Kyler Murray series and what went wrong behind the scenes.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_01: How he wasn't necessarily the most coachable quarterback.
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_01: And it just was kind of a weird, somber press conference from Kevin O'Connell.
• 1:36:57
  SPEAKER_01: I thought he's trying to be nice.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's trying not to kick the guy's ass on the way out.
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 1:37:03
  SPEAKER_01: But it was very over the top.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a cutthroat league and he didn't perform.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_01: End of story.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_01: They kind of let that quarterback competition drag on longer than they should have.
• 1:37:15
  SPEAKER_01: It cost Murray reps.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_01: It cost Wentz reps as a number two that went into mid-August.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it was time.
• 1:37:22
  SPEAKER_01: It was a mistake.
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_01: And listeners, they listened to Bob breakdown those Sam Darnold performances one by one in 2024.
• 1:37:33
  SPEAKER_01: There's pressure on O'Connell.
• 1:37:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's pressure on Murray to get something going on offensively.
• 1:37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Full complement of weapons, we'll see.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Murray's the mystery to me.
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you've seen him more, and you've written about him now, and you know a lot about him.
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_00: I really don't, and so I'm just really eager to watch his season progress.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Same.
• 1:38:04
  SPEAKER_01: All right, we've got one more.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Lions, Jets, Lions, avoid...
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Disaster.
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_01: Geno and the Jets mounted a little bit of a mini rally here, but Detroit hangs on.
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Geno had a really good game.
• 1:38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Detroit right now, where is this guy?
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Jared Goff is second in the league and passed a rating 116.1 behind Brock Purdy.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, eight touchdowns, no picks.
• 1:38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:38:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's playing great and he wasn't really under much pressure.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_00: His whole line played well.
• 1:38:43
  SPEAKER_00: Gibbs is the man.
• 1:38:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's so accurate.
• 1:38:45
  SPEAKER_00: You just got to kind of appreciate the guy,
• 1:38:47
  SPEAKER_00: you know, uh, golf is really something that I say Gibbs, I meant golf.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they're both pretty damn good.
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
• 1:38:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Jamo Williams was interesting.
• 1:38:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the first play they run a speed out with him against Love.
• 1:39:09
  SPEAKER_00: I can't read my writing.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Gain of 14.
• 1:39:11
  SPEAKER_00: Nice play.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_00: His footwork is really good on speed outs.
• 1:39:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's run these things several times now.
• 1:39:17
  SPEAKER_00: Most of his catches have been on that route.
• 1:39:20
  SPEAKER_00: I give him credit, man.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_00: He comes in and he'll crack anybody.
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_00: Some big safety.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_00: He'll crack a backer.
• 1:39:27
  SPEAKER_00: He just goes in there and really tries to hit people.
• 1:39:30
  SPEAKER_00: He climbed up to spear a deep out for 21.
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Guy can really jump, man.
• 1:39:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then he goes in, he caught a ball for nine, got his helmet knocked off.
• 1:39:42
  SPEAKER_00: He got dinged, jumps up and flexes his biceps.
• 1:39:46
  SPEAKER_01: The guy's crazy, but...
• 1:39:48
  SPEAKER_00: He is a talent.
• 1:39:51
  SPEAKER_00: St. Brown, they didn't really need him.
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_00: He had one drop.
• 1:39:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's fine.
• 1:39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Tesla finally made a big play, 49-yarder.
• 1:39:58
  SPEAKER_00: He was wide open.
• 1:39:59
  SPEAKER_00: They ignored him.
• 1:40:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's just a lot of weapons running around.
• 1:40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Laporta, you know, he's a control receiver.
• 1:40:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's quarterback friendly.
• 1:40:10
  SPEAKER_00: Goff loves him inside.
• 1:40:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's good, man.
• 1:40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Blocker, he's small, willing, and scrappy.
• 1:40:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's real good as a blocker this season.
• 1:40:18
  SPEAKER_00: Been kind of disappointing.
• 1:40:19
  SPEAKER_00: He had a couple of misses in this game.
• 1:40:25
  SPEAKER_00: Brock writes the blocker.
• 1:40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Meeks is the converted wide out who might be able to do some damage.
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_00: Let's look at the offensive line.
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_00: It was better here.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_00: They had all their starters.
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, they don't have the center maze back.
• 1:40:46
  SPEAKER_00: He should be back after the bye maybe in about a month for perhaps the Green Bay game.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_00: So it's Sewell, Mahogany, Scruggs, Rattledge, and Miller.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Played well.
• 1:40:57
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you know,
• 1:40:57
  SPEAKER_00: you don't have – you got a couple good pass rushes for the Jets outside,
• 1:41:02
  SPEAKER_00: young guys, and you got Enigbari, the ex-packer.
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_00: But very manageable pressure on Goff.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_00: Really good games by – Sewell was really good.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_00: Mahogany, good.
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_00: One pressure.
• 1:41:20
  SPEAKER_00: That was his first start at left guard.
• 1:41:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he came back, started a couple games at the end of last season.
• 1:41:26
  SPEAKER_00: But that was very encouraging for them.
• 1:41:29
  SPEAKER_00: The center, Scruggs, is playing pretty good football.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Two pressures, one bad run.
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's up against that massive nose tackle, Tavondre Sweat of the Jets, formerly the Titan.
• 1:41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Held up pretty well.
• 1:41:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Scrubs has been kind of a pleasant surprise at center.
• 1:41:47
  SPEAKER_00: When Mays returns, Scrubs could compete with Mahogany at left guard.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_00: Ratledge, he's becoming a real good player, Tyler.
• 1:41:57
  SPEAKER_00: I got him for one pressure.
• 1:42:02
  SPEAKER_00: He will crush people in the run game.
• 1:42:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's really coming on.
• 1:42:05
  SPEAKER_00: He could be a real good guard in this league.
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then Miller, the rookie right tackle, he was back.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_00: Two pressures.
• 1:42:17
  SPEAKER_00: He has problems sustaining blocks.
• 1:42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, he's a young guy.
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's got to learn.
• 1:42:22
  SPEAKER_00: He had a false start penalty.
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_00: Good player.
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_00: Larry Boren, the sixth off lineman, sixth old lineman.
• 1:42:28
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't sustain real well.
• 1:42:31
  SPEAKER_00: Goff, just accurate as hell.
• 1:42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Fourth and two, made a great throw against the Blitz, gain a five to Tesla.
• 1:42:41
  SPEAKER_00: And when the score was 24-24, he bought time and hit the wide open Tesla on an overrode for 49.
• 1:42:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that led to the winning touchdown.
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_00: Running backs, boy, you got to appreciate Gibbs because he had 27 touches, Tyler.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_00: He can't really keep this up, can he?
• 1:43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate him for what we're seeing now.
• 1:43:06
  SPEAKER_00: 164 all-purpose yards, three touchdowns.
• 1:43:09
  SPEAKER_00: He had a drop on the flat.
• 1:43:11
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up a sack to Cisco on a safety blitz.
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up a sack to Davis.
• 1:43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, God, Demario Davis, the inside backer, just overpowered him.
• 1:43:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's two sacks.
• 1:43:26
  SPEAKER_00: Goes out as a wide receiver, pauses, comebacks inside, gains 12 on a delay.
• 1:43:32
  SPEAKER_00: He's an A-gap runner, man.
• 1:43:34
  SPEAKER_00: He can do that all day long.
• 1:43:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's tougher than nails.
• 1:43:38
  SPEAKER_00: He missed a block on a wide receiver screen to St. Brown, tackle for loss.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_00: He had a gutty blitz pickup against Sherwood, the inside backer, on fourth and two.
• 1:43:51
  SPEAKER_00: They got the first down.
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_00: 17-yard touchdown.
• 1:43:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a sweep to right end, reverses his field, goes to the left side, highlights stuff.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_00: Took a tough hit from Belton.
• 1:44:03
  SPEAKER_00: The safety bounces right up.
• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_00: Brock Wright misses Bailey at the point of attack.
• 1:44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Gibbs turns minus four into plus five and then touchdown in the flat on
• 1:44:17
  SPEAKER_00: an easy route and they blew the coverage.
• 1:44:20
  SPEAKER_00: The interesting part now was Vackey coming in as the second back.
• 1:44:25
  SPEAKER_00: He got 20 snaps.
• 1:44:26
  SPEAKER_00: Now they need another back, obviously, with Montgomery gone.
• 1:44:34
  SPEAKER_00: He KO'd Demario Davis on a blitz.
• 1:44:37
  SPEAKER_00: That was impressive.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up a knockdown when he missed Sherwood on a blitz.
• 1:44:44
  SPEAKER_00: He had another fine blitz pickup on a cat blitz by a corner.
• 1:44:48
  SPEAKER_00: 11 yard on a check down.
• 1:44:50
  SPEAKER_00: Looked pretty good running the route.
• 1:44:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of straight line running back, but he's got a lot of ability.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he's got something.
• 1:44:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's it on the offense.
• 1:45:00
  SPEAKER_00: They are a They're a potent crew.
• 1:45:02
  SPEAKER_00: They've scored, what, 31 three times.
• 1:45:05
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to have to score a lot of points.
• 1:45:10
  SPEAKER_00: And now on the defense, Ty, any thoughts on the O?
• 1:45:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's fine.
• 1:45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well said.
• 1:45:20
  SPEAKER_01: They've got to score.
• 1:45:21
  SPEAKER_01: Same story as Jim Modis put in his column today.
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say about this defense.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hutchinson,
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_00: he was up against those two really good tackles that Van S ate up the week before.
• 1:45:39
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't have a great game.
• 1:45:40
  SPEAKER_00: Again, he's wearing people down.
• 1:45:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's when he got his half sack against Fashanu, the former number one pick.
• 1:45:47
  SPEAKER_00: He wears people out.
• 1:45:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he had about three other hurries.
• 1:45:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's a great player.
• 1:45:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's playing 64 out of 66 snaps.
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to do that,
• 1:46:05
  SPEAKER_00: but unless Derek Moore,
• 1:46:09
  SPEAKER_00: the second round pick, comes on, he's going to have to do it.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_00: All right, the bright spot was DJ Wanham, the ex-Carolina and Minnesota edge.
• 1:46:19
  SPEAKER_00: He had a sack in 4.2.
• 1:46:23
  SPEAKER_00: He bent underneath Fashano.
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_00: But that was 2.6.
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 1:46:28
  SPEAKER_00: He had a hurry against Parham and a sack against Fashanu in 2.8.
• 1:46:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Wanham is a hard-charging guy.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_00: He played 44 snaps.
• 1:46:37
  SPEAKER_00: They need him in the worst way.
• 1:46:40
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Moore, the Michigan second-round pick.
• 1:46:44
  SPEAKER_00: They're only playing him nine snaps.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now, he's feeling his way.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_00: He plays inside now on third and long.
• 1:46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes he stands up.
• 1:46:59
  SPEAKER_00: He missed Brees Hall in the backfield one time.
• 1:47:04
  SPEAKER_00: Had a chance for a tackle for loss.
• 1:47:07
  SPEAKER_00: He's got to come through.
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, I have no idea what he's got.
• 1:47:13
  SPEAKER_00: And the fourth outside guy, Lacey started.
• 1:47:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's their big end, kind of.
• 1:47:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he played 19 snaps.
• 1:47:20
  SPEAKER_00: He was okay.
• 1:47:24
  SPEAKER_00: Still haven't seen Hassanine, the guy who tore it up in the exhibition season.
• 1:47:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's the second-year player who has some pass rush.
• 1:47:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now, inside, Tylek Williams, the second-round player, 30 snaps.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's thick.
• 1:47:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's square.
• 1:47:38
  SPEAKER_00: They've got to have him.
• 1:47:40
  SPEAKER_00: Zero tackles.
• 1:47:41
  SPEAKER_00: He got shut out.
• 1:47:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now, that doesn't mean that much, but he's going to have to start making some plays.
• 1:47:46
  SPEAKER_00: McNeil, he got a sack against – Myers, the ex-Packer center, power one-on-one move, great rush.
• 1:47:56
  SPEAKER_00: He had a knockdown on the next play.
• 1:47:57
  SPEAKER_00: He bull rushed the left guard, 2.8 on a TT stunt.
• 1:48:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's healthy.
• 1:48:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's playing well.
• 1:48:07
  SPEAKER_00: Gil Howard could be the key to their pass rush, man.
• 1:48:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is the young sixth-round pick.
• 1:48:14
  SPEAKER_00: Played 33 snaps.
• 1:48:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's really a fluid, fast runner when you see him chasing.
• 1:48:19
  SPEAKER_00: He got half a sack against the guard, Tipman.
• 1:48:23
  SPEAKER_00: He does get battered in the running game,
• 1:48:25
  SPEAKER_00: but at times he will spring off blocks and get back into the play.
• 1:48:30
  SPEAKER_00: But he's small.
• 1:48:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's like 290, 285 and run defense.
• 1:48:35
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to exploit him.
• 1:48:37
  SPEAKER_00: On Wazirki, 11 snaps.
• 1:48:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:48:41
  SPEAKER_00: They're still hanging with the guy.
• 1:48:43
  SPEAKER_00: They've hung with him a long time.
• 1:48:46
  SPEAKER_00: All right, linebacker.
• 1:48:48
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 1:48:49
  SPEAKER_00: Nowoski has been around for about four years.
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Nowoski played 33 snaps and he had a hell of a game, Tyler.
• 1:48:57
  SPEAKER_00: He played a lot.
• 1:48:58
  SPEAKER_00: He had a hurry, ran over Brees Hall in a blitz.
• 1:49:02
  SPEAKER_00: He stopped the naked pitch for a gain of one.
• 1:49:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's when he knocked Brees Hall out of the game with a thigh injury.
• 1:49:09
  SPEAKER_01: He did a lot of good things and he's going
• 1:49:10
  SPEAKER_01: to play more
• 1:49:12
  SPEAKER_00: I thought Jack Campbell played every snap as always.
• 1:49:16
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot afford to lose him.
• 1:49:19
  SPEAKER_00: He was okay.
• 1:49:21
  SPEAKER_00: Rodriguez, well, Devin White, the ex-Buccaneer, he had been starting the first two games.
• 1:49:28
  SPEAKER_00: This game he was inactive.
• 1:49:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I call him a punching bag last week.
• 1:49:36
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_00: So they played,
• 1:49:40
  SPEAKER_00: well Barnes of course starts, and Barnes is good, we know him, he's a physical guy.
• 1:49:45
  SPEAKER_00: Rodriguez had 19 snaps, he's okay.
• 1:49:52
  SPEAKER_00: Their hope with the position is Jimmy Rolder,
• 1:49:55
  SPEAKER_00: a fourth-round pick, was off the injury list, played on special teams.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Don't be surprised if we start seeing this guy.
• 1:50:03
  SPEAKER_00: I saw him at Michigan, of course, and he's a very instinctive player.
• 1:50:07
  SPEAKER_00: Really only was a big contributor for one year, but he's got a lot of tools, a lot of instincts.
• 1:50:14
  SPEAKER_00: All right, secondary major changes.
• 1:50:16
  SPEAKER_00: They benched.
• 1:50:18
  SPEAKER_00: Rock Yasin after two really rough games.
• 1:50:21
  SPEAKER_00: He only played 13 snaps.
• 1:50:24
  SPEAKER_00: So at corner, they got DJ Reed and he gave some and got some in this game.
• 1:50:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's vulnerable.
• 1:50:33
  SPEAKER_00: We know that.
• 1:50:34
  SPEAKER_00: They started Roger McCrary, the ex second round pick from Tennessee.
• 1:50:41
  SPEAKER_00: He gave up a touchdown pass to Sadiq, the ultra talented tight end, the rookie.
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_00: He's okay.
• 1:50:53
  SPEAKER_00: Rakestraw, Enos Rakestraw has been injured for two years.
• 1:50:57
  SPEAKER_00: He's a second round pick.
• 1:50:58
  SPEAKER_00: They got to get it out of this guy.
• 1:51:01
  SPEAKER_00: They played him 23 snaps and he had a nice breakup to Garrett Wilson
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_00: who otherwise ate him up for 10 for 107.
• 1:51:08
  SPEAKER_00: He was okay.
• 1:51:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's safety.
• 1:51:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they, their top three are gone and the fifth one is gone.
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_00: So they're starting Chuck Clark.
• 1:51:24
  SPEAKER_00: We know that he plays every snap and they started Christian Isian, the ex Rutgers guy.
• 1:51:32
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_00: Clark was great.
• 1:51:34
  SPEAKER_00: And he made the play of the game really when the defensive coordinator,
• 1:51:39
  SPEAKER_00: Kelvin Shepard sent him on a, a blitz.
• 1:51:43
  SPEAKER_00: He timed it perfectly.
• 1:51:45
  SPEAKER_00: He sacked, uh, Geno in 2.0.
• 1:51:51
  SPEAKER_00: Running back Allen from Wisconsin never saw the thing.
• 1:51:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was a great play.
• 1:51:55
  SPEAKER_00: He has marginal range.
• 1:51:59
  SPEAKER_00: He will hammer you.
• 1:52:02
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't know.
• 1:52:02
  SPEAKER_00: And now Izzy was the bright spot.
• 1:52:07
  SPEAKER_00: You could see it at Rutgers.
• 1:52:08
  SPEAKER_00: This guy's got a massive motor and he's got a big heart and he will hit you.
• 1:52:15
  SPEAKER_00: He had a bunch, several tackles for loss, like three of them.
• 1:52:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he got beat by Sadiq once and he was out of position on,
• 1:52:23
  SPEAKER_00: looked like on that play action pass to Sadiq for 43.
• 1:52:28
  SPEAKER_00: But again, he is a tenacious, rugged tackler.
• 1:52:32
  SPEAKER_00: They got to have him and he's got to stay healthy.
• 1:52:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Avante Maddox now is out for the year.
• 1:52:39
  SPEAKER_00: He was their third branch and Kirby Joseph, no idea if they're coming back.
• 1:52:46
  SPEAKER_00: Bates, kickoffs, three out of six were good.
• 1:52:49
  SPEAKER_00: Fox punted okay.
• 1:52:51
  SPEAKER_00: Kennedys and Sailors are decent kick return guys.
• 1:52:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that's it for the Lions, Tyler.
• 1:53:04
  SPEAKER_01: One quick note on Skylar Gilhauer, the Milwaukee, Wisconsin native.
• 1:53:07
  SPEAKER_01: I remember reading this story at some point.
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he would work overnight and morning shifts at a FedEx in Milwaukee to help pay
• 1:53:19
  SPEAKER_01: for his college tuition once upon a time.
• 1:53:23
  SPEAKER_01: Might have to chat with Skylar at some point if he's standing out to you on the film.
• 1:53:30
  SPEAKER_01: They need one of these players to emerge.
• 1:53:36
  SPEAKER_01: We shall see.
• 1:53:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's jump right to the McGinn memory.
• 1:53:39
  SPEAKER_01: What do you got for us?
• 1:53:40
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
• 1:53:40
  SPEAKER_00: So last week we finished up the 81 finale when the Packers got blown out
• 1:53:45
  SPEAKER_00: at Shea Stadium by the Jets.
• 1:53:47
  SPEAKER_00: They lost a playoff berth with that loss in 81, and that ended their season at 8-8.
• 1:53:56
  SPEAKER_00: So then the question became, will they give Bart Starr, will they bring him back?
• 1:54:02
  SPEAKER_00: His record, 39-65-2.
• 1:54:06
  SPEAKER_00: The only coach where the worst record than that after seven years,
• 1:54:11
  SPEAKER_00: now this is at the time, was Tom Landry of the expansion Dallas Cowboys.
• 1:54:17
  SPEAKER_00: Tom was 35-56-5, winning percentage of 3-9-1, a little better than Bart's.
• 1:54:27
  SPEAKER_00: In fact,
• 1:54:28
  SPEAKER_00: no coach in NFL history had a worse record than Starr after seven years
• 1:54:34
  SPEAKER_00: and been given time.
• 1:54:36
  SPEAKER_00: So the debate raged.
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_00: Do we bring them back or do we fire Bart Starr?
• 1:54:42
  SPEAKER_00: Seven years at 3-7-7 winning percentage.
• 1:54:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember this like it was yesterday.
• 1:54:49
  SPEAKER_00: It was really an emotional time, you know.
• 1:54:52
  SPEAKER_00: My friends,
• 1:54:53
  SPEAKER_00: I was playing rec basketball and in the bar afterwards,
• 1:54:56
  SPEAKER_00: everybody had an opinion on Bart.
• 1:54:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was...
• 1:55:00
  SPEAKER_00: The hero, the greatest of the great, he had come back to save the franchise as coach and GM.
• 1:55:07
  SPEAKER_00: He had been stripped of his GM duties after his sixth year.
• 1:55:12
  SPEAKER_00: And now after his seventh year, what do they do?
• 1:55:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right away,
• 1:55:17
  SPEAKER_00: Judge Robert Perrins,
• 1:55:19
  SPEAKER_00: who was the chief executive officer and had taken on a lot
• 1:55:22
  SPEAKER_00: of Dominic Olenicek's duties.
• 1:55:25
  SPEAKER_00: He was the president, but he was in ill health.
• 1:55:28
  SPEAKER_00: Perrins said,
• 1:55:31
  SPEAKER_00: The 44-man board will meet,
• 1:55:33
  SPEAKER_00: and then they allow the seven-man executive committee to make the decision.
• 1:55:39
  SPEAKER_00: Cherry Star was interviewed by Mike Christopoulos of the Milwaukee Sentinel.
• 1:55:46
  SPEAKER_00: And Cherry, a couple days after, Cherry said it didn't look promising for her husband.
• 1:55:54
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't look promising, and that's very disappointing.
• 1:55:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's the best thing that's ever happened to the green bed packers.
• 1:56:01
  SPEAKER_00: And please quote me on that.
• 1:56:04
  SPEAKER_00: Cherry was standing for her man.
• 1:56:06
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the newspapers are taking terrible shots at him and doing everything
• 1:56:11
  SPEAKER_00: in their power to undermine Bart.
• 1:56:14
  SPEAKER_00: We do feel the pain, the hurt, and the humiliation.
• 1:56:18
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, three or four days after that, the executive committee met.
• 1:56:23
  SPEAKER_00: They're consisted of Dominic Olenicek, age 73, President.
• 1:56:29
  SPEAKER_00: Robert Perrins, Vice President, 63.
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_00: John Tarinas, Secretary, 68.
• 1:56:36
  SPEAKER_00: John Stiles, Treasurer, 68.
• 1:56:40
  SPEAKER_00: Tony Cannadale, the great player, running back, 62.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_00: Jerry Atkinson, 74.
• 1:56:48
  SPEAKER_00: And John Favre, the young one of the bunch, 42.
• 1:56:53
  SPEAKER_00: Four of these members had been on the committee since Lombardi was hired in 58.
• 1:56:58
  SPEAKER_00: So they had that unbelievable decision to hire Lombardi the Giants assistant.
• 1:57:04
  SPEAKER_00: But then it blew up in their face when they gave the job to Phil Bengston
• 1:57:08
  SPEAKER_00: after Lombardi left for the Redskins.
• 1:57:11
  SPEAKER_00: They had a chance to hire Don Shula after Bengston's second year.
• 1:57:16
  SPEAKER_00: Shula was looking for work because he was out in Baltimore.
• 1:57:19
  SPEAKER_00: He got the job at Miami.
• 1:57:22
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:57:24
  SPEAKER_00: They hired Dan Devine, which was a horrible mistake, and they hired Star.
• 1:57:31
  SPEAKER_00: That was those four guys' track record, Ole, Torinas, Cannadale, and Atkinson.
• 1:57:38
  SPEAKER_00: Torinas could not attend this executive committee meeting.
• 1:57:43
  SPEAKER_00: He was ill health, but he was kept abreast of it from his hospital room.
• 1:57:48
  SPEAKER_00: Bart was 47th.
• 1:57:53
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so what do they do?
• 1:57:56
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody had an opinion, you know?
• 1:57:59
  SPEAKER_00: And ultimately, they gave him an extension and brought him back.
• 1:58:04
  SPEAKER_00: They gave him a two, extended him by one year, the third extension of his career.
• 1:58:11
  SPEAKER_00: And there it was.
• 1:58:15
  SPEAKER_00: The only four coaches Who had been with the present team longer than Bart at
• 1:58:21
  SPEAKER_00: that time was Tom Landry,
• 1:58:23
  SPEAKER_00: 21 years, Bud Grant, 15, Chuck Knoll, 13, and Don Shula, 12, all Hall of Famers.
• 1:58:36
  SPEAKER_00: Before his sixth and seventh season, Bart said he needed a winning record to retain his job.
• 1:58:45
  SPEAKER_00: He went 5-10-1, followed by 8-8.
• 1:58:50
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, the executive committee, according to
• 1:58:52
  SPEAKER_01: Robert... 5-3-1, right?
• 1:58:54
  SPEAKER_00: 5-3-1.
• 1:58:55
  SPEAKER_00: What did
• 1:58:57
  SPEAKER_01: I say?
• 1:58:57
  SPEAKER_01: 5-10-1.
• 1:58:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:58:58
  SPEAKER_00: That was the strike year in 82.
• 1:59:00
  SPEAKER_00: The strike year.
• 1:59:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, no.
• 1:59:02
  SPEAKER_00: The previous two years, Tyler.
• 1:59:06
  SPEAKER_00: When he said... Oh, I'm sorry.
• 1:59:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 1:59:09
  SPEAKER_01: You're looking at 1980 and 1981.
• 1:59:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm jumping ahead two years after this decision.
• 1:59:15
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:59:16
  SPEAKER_00: So he didn't get the job done.
• 1:59:17
  SPEAKER_00: He would not comment this time about what he needed the next time to hold his job.
• 1:59:26
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, it was a big one, Tyler.
• 1:59:31
  SPEAKER_00: Bart said at the press conference,
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  SPEAKER_00: after Perrins had a press conference announcing it,
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe this is the sensible approach, said Starr.
• 1:59:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was a great move and formed a solid foundation on which to build.
• 1:59:49
  SPEAKER_00: A couple other comments here.
• 1:59:54
  SPEAKER_00: Perrins admitted that discord existed within the community on
• 1:59:59
  SPEAKER_00: whether Starr should be given more time.
• 2:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: And he did not ignore Starr's failures as coach.
• 2:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: In a big statement,
• 2:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: The copy of his entire speech,
• 2:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: Perrin's speech, we ran in the Press Gazette, and I can't find it, Tyler.
• 2:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: Darn it.
• 2:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: It is somewhere, but I don't have it.
• 2:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: And basically he said,
• 2:00:33
  SPEAKER_00: he admitted the pressure was on,
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  SPEAKER_00: and why they retain Starr,
• 2:00:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because of that 6-2 finish after a 2-6 start, which made it 8-8 in
• 2:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: 81.
• 2:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: So how did Bart do?
• 2:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: The strike occurred in 81, 82.
• 2:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: Only nine games were played.
• 2:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: And they went 5-3-1 and made the playoffs for the first time since 72 under Devine.
• 2:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't it funny, Tyler,
• 2:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: when you're a young guy writing,
• 2:01:13
  SPEAKER_00: I can remember all the details about this particular era,
• 2:01:17
  SPEAKER_00: but in the 2000 aughts, it all runs together.
• 2:01:22
  SPEAKER_00: It really does.
• 2:01:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then the next year he went eight and eight,
• 2:01:29
  SPEAKER_00: terrible game management in the finale down in Chicago.
• 2:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: I believe that game would have put him in the playoffs two, three degrees.
• 2:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's like his faculties,
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  SPEAKER_00: his knowledge of the game left him that day down at the Frozen Soldier Field and all
• 2:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: that wind chill.
• 2:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: Negative 17 wind chill, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Didn't call his timeouts.
• 2:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was horrible, horrible coaching.
• 2:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then he was fired the next day by Judge Perrins, the team president.
• 2:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then he had the chutzpah to call a press conference then about 11 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: in which he cited T.R.
• 2:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: Teddy Roosevelt, how it's the man in the arena.
• 2:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know this.
• 2:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody has used that quote over time.
• 2:02:22
  SPEAKER_00: So
• 2:02:24
  SPEAKER_00: he finished up while he had
• 2:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: Winning record over his last two seasons.
• 2:02:31
  SPEAKER_00: In the playoffs, he won a playoff game, too.
• 2:02:33
  SPEAKER_00: They beat the St. Louis Cardinals and then lost at Dallas.
• 2:02:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that's it.
• 2:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: We'll move on from that era for next week's memory.
• 2:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: That last year, there were some fun games in there.
• 2:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: That was when they beat the Redskins, 48-47, that crazy primetime game, right?
• 2:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: And the Redskins went to the Super Bowl that year.
• 2:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 2:02:57
  SPEAKER_01: Gosh, 55-14 against Tampa.
• 2:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: They put up points, but there was no defense.
• 2:03:04
  SPEAKER_01: Lynn Dickey led the league in passing yards,
• 2:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: touchdowns, and interceptions, and game-winning drives.
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: Finished fifth in the MVP voting that year.
• 2:03:13
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 2:03:13
  SPEAKER_00: He did?
• 2:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: Lynn Dickey had some harsh words for Matt LaFleur,
• 2:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: by the way, on Bill Michael's show last week.
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: Caught that.
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: He did.
• 2:03:25
  SPEAKER_00: Lynn Dickey.
• 2:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:03:27
  SPEAKER_00: What'd he say?
• 2:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: Undisciplined, just out of control.
• 2:03:31
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't like what he saw.
• 2:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: Did you hear the tape?
• 2:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: Just the clip.
• 2:03:37
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't listen to the whole interview.
• 2:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: I should have.
• 2:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: How'd Lynn sound?
• 2:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 2:03:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: He's a great guy.
• 2:03:44
  SPEAKER_00: He taught me a lot.
• 2:03:47
  SPEAKER_00: He's a great man.
• 2:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love to hear that.
• 2:03:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he may be a little underrated in the
• 2:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: Annals of Packers history,
• 2:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 2:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: like there's some players and some moments in those 29 years of ineptitude
• 2:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: that should be acknowledged.
• 2:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I always love it when you bring the memory into those dark ages.
• 2:04:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: Final thoughts, Bob hit me.
• 2:04:15
  SPEAKER_00: Four more games this week.
• 2:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: This division is, I'm not, I'm not sold on any of these teams, Tyler.
• 2:04:23
  SPEAKER_00: Vikings got the lead, but quarterback issues, I don't know.
• 2:04:30
  SPEAKER_00: I see the division eight and four.
• 2:04:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be a good run.
• 2:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: As we said before, the first ball was kicked.
• 2:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: Any team could finish first.
• 2:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: Any team could finish last.
• 2:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're learning a lot, but there is a ton of football still to be played here.
• 2:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 2:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: Phenomenal dissection, as usual, from our Pro Football Hall of Famer, Bob McGinn.
• 2:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for hanging, Bob.
• 2:04:59
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you, everybody out there, for watching, listening, reading, and sharing with a friend.
• 2:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: Let's keep this thing growing.
• 2:05:06
  SPEAKER_01: We'll catch you next week.
• 2:05:07
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.