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BPS 490: He Waited 11 YEARS to Make His Movie—Then Jimmy Kimmel Changed Everything with Don Barris · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 4: Joining me today is a man I've wanted to talk
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  Speaker 4: to since 2004. Joining me today is Don Barris. Don
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  Speaker 4: is one-third of the comedy trio The Big Three. Don
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  Speaker 4: starred and produced in one of the best movies and
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  Speaker 4: comedies of all time, Windy City Heat, which is actually
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  Speaker 4: one of the most elaborate pranks ever pulled, but we'll
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  Speaker 4: get into that later in the show. Don is currently
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  Speaker 4: the audience warm-up for Jimmy Kimmel Live, and he hosts
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  Speaker 4: the Ding Dong Show, the longest-running show at the world-famous
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  Speaker 4: comedy store, every Monday night at 10 p.m. And if
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  Speaker 4: that wasn't enough, Don hosts his own podcast, Simply Don
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  Speaker 4: the Podcast, and we're also joined by his very lovely
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  Speaker 4: and talented producer of the Simply Don the Podcast, Mary Jane.
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  Speaker 5: Hello, Dave. That's Mary Jane. That's not me. There were
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  Speaker 5: two people there. I don't know if you noticed. What's up, Dave?
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  Speaker 5: You say you wanted to talk to me since 2004. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't see the Windy City Heat when it first
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  Speaker 5: came out then, huh?
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  Speaker 4: I saw it one night randomly. And I saw it.
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  Speaker 4: It started right when Perry knocked over the table. And
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  Speaker 4: ever since then, I was like, what is this? And
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  Speaker 4: I started watching it and man, oh man, I was
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  Speaker 4: laughing my ass off and I was tracking down a
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  Speaker 4: copy of that everywhere I could. So that's why I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to talk to you since.
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  Speaker 5: Then, Don. Oh, well, whatever you'd like to know, please.
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  Speaker 4: So Don, I wanted to ask you, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to ask you about your background. You know, how
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  Speaker 4: did you get started in the film industry?
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  Speaker 5: In the film industry? Well, it was kind of different
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  Speaker 5: than the film industry because I've always felt especially now,
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  Speaker 5: I think that people live in a day and age
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  Speaker 5: where you don't have to wait for someone to just
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  Speaker 5: pull you out because that doesn't happen much. I started
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  Speaker 5: doing stand-up comedy and I've been a regular at the
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  Speaker 5: comedy store and now for about the last four years,
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  Speaker 5: except for a couple weeks here and there when I
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  Speaker 5: worked elsewhere, I've been a closing act at the comedy
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  Speaker 5: store every night. And So I was doing stand-up comedy
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  Speaker 5: and I thought, well, this isn't working very well. This
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  Speaker 5: is one of those things that nobody's coming over to
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  Speaker 5: see me, to pick me out, put me in a movie,
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  Speaker 5: to do whatever. So I thought, well, I'll make my
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  Speaker 5: own break. And one of the things that I saw
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  Speaker 5: at the time, the main thing that I did was
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  Speaker 5: host the Comedy Store Potluck every week. And the Comedy
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  Speaker 5: Store Potluck is just like new comics, guys trying to
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  Speaker 5: get into the.
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  Speaker 5: The arena of doing standup comedy. And I'll tell you something,
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  Speaker 5: it's very hard. And there are people that go there
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  Speaker 5: and they will go out and try to go to
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  Speaker 5: all these potluck shows all over town. And they'll do
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  Speaker 5: it for 20 years and never get any money out
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  Speaker 5: of it. So it's kind of a sad thing, but
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  Speaker 5: it's a little group. And I, I used to host
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  Speaker 5: the comedy stores potluck night. And I showcase with the
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  Speaker 5: owner Mitzi Shore so she'd showcase acts and all that
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  Speaker 5: and I got to watch her and the one thing
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  Speaker 5: that I noticed The bigger laughs didn't come from the
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  Speaker 5: people that were somewhat good that had just started out
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  Speaker 5: the big laughs came from the guys that were out
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  Speaker 5: of their mind and just these characters, so I thought
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  Speaker 5: I'd put a show together and That show It was
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  Speaker 5: originally called Simply Don. And what I did is I
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  Speaker 5: took some of the more colorful acts that I saw
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  Speaker 5: around the comedy store and I put them together in
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  Speaker 5: one show. And then I had Mole come and play
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  Speaker 5: a character in it. Well, we worked on that for
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  Speaker 5: seven years. So it took a long time before anybody
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  Speaker 5: really noticed. And that person that noticed was Jimmy Kimmel.
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  Speaker 5: He wanted to do something with us. At the time,
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  Speaker 5: he had just gotten the show Win Ben Stein's Money.
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  Speaker 5: I knew him a little bit from working in the
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  Speaker 5: morning show out here in Los Angeles at K-Rock. And
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  Speaker 5: so I didn't know him that well, but he said,
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  Speaker 5: I want to make a movie out of this. About
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  Speaker 5: four years later, we got it done. And it's kind
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  Speaker 5: of cool because a lot of people really loved it. So.
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  Speaker 5: And that movie is. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: And that movie is When You See the Heat, correct, Don?
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry to interrupt you.
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  Speaker 5: Yes. You're not interrupting me. I just thought I'd give
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  Speaker 5: you a quick background. So that's where I got into it.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't start out wanting to make a movie. I
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  Speaker 5: just wanted to do something else, and we made that film.
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  Speaker 4: And that movie has become such a cult classic as well.
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  Speaker 4: I'm always interested in hearing about these stories, Don, which
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  Speaker 4: is why I asked you about your background. Because you
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  Speaker 4: grew up in Michigan, in Second Hall Township. And so
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  Speaker 4: what was the impetus for you to move from Saginaw
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  Speaker 4: Township out to L.A.? Well.
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you something. If you look at a small
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  Speaker 5: town in the Midwest, I was always a little bit different.
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  Speaker 5: As a guy that became my manager out here, he said,
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  Speaker 5: you never lived under the rules because, as most comics do,
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  Speaker 5: they always are thinking outside the box. And they sometimes
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  Speaker 5: struggle in school. And I know I did. I know
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  Speaker 5: I was... School was very difficult for me. I'm talking
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  Speaker 5: about college because I just couldn't conceptualize how to remember
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  Speaker 5: all this stuff that I didn't care about. And I
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  Speaker 5: was more into doing screwy things. I remember having a
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  Speaker 5: creative writing class and I got to just go into
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  Speaker 5: this crazy world. And in Michigan, people don't look at
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  Speaker 5: you kind of the same because... As a comic that
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  Speaker 5: I knew once said, people look at someone trying to
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  Speaker 5: do stand-up comedy as like somebody that goes to the
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  Speaker 5: moon and walks on the moon. They're both so far-fetched
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  Speaker 5: for Sony and Mission because not many people make it.
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  Speaker 5: It's just a far-fetched tale. I just couldn't live under
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  Speaker 5: that type of situation where I was kind of an oddball.
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  Speaker 5: I used to think, my God, what am I? What
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  Speaker 5: is this all about? And out here, when I came
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  Speaker 5: to California, made the big move, I realized, wow, this
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  Speaker 5: is something where I fit in a little bit better.
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  Speaker 4: And so, literally, Don, you just packed up and moved.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, was there any specific, like, incident that just
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  Speaker 4: caused you to say, you know what, I'm just going
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  Speaker 4: to bite the bullet and I'm moving out to L.A.?
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  Speaker 4: Not really.
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  Speaker 5: I just, I was looking, looking for different things. I
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  Speaker 5: wasn't enjoying my life out there. There was, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I was making money because I used to DJ in Michigan.
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  Speaker 5: I do, uh, like, uh, like fraternity parties and weddings
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  Speaker 5: and things like that. And I started a little business.
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  Speaker 5: So I was making money, but I just didn't like
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  Speaker 5: what I was doing. And I felt, well, you know what?
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  Speaker 5: I'm young enough. I'm going to go out to California.
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  Speaker 5: I have no real commitments here. I'll go out there
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  Speaker 5: and just take a chance. And when I came out here,
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  Speaker 5: I said, well, this is my last chance. No matter what,
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  Speaker 5: I will not quit. And I mean, there were times,
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  Speaker 5: like in the first year, I got into a little
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  Speaker 5: trouble with other comics because I was kind of a
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  Speaker 5: cocky guy. And, you know, these older comics, well-established comics,
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  Speaker 5: didn't like some young cocky guy coming out there and saying,
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  Speaker 5: I'm after you, man. I'm going to take your spots.
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  Speaker 5: People didn't like that. I didn't realize that, but it
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  Speaker 5: was too cocky. So there's a few times that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I eventually got kicked out of the comedy store. I
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  Speaker 5: didn't know what to do. I worked at a strip club,
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  Speaker 5: but I made a deal to myself that I would
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  Speaker 5: never take a job that didn't have a camera in
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  Speaker 5: my face or a microphone in my hand. So I
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  Speaker 5: actually got to the point where like two separate times
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  Speaker 5: I lived in my car for like a period of
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  Speaker 5: over six months. But I said, there's no way I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to give up. No way.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, and everything that I've done has taken forever
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  Speaker 5: to do. It took 11 years to finally get the
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  Speaker 5: movie made from when I started it until we finally
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  Speaker 5: made it. 11 years, but I just said, I'm not,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I, I sometimes would think about it because
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  Speaker 5: when I first moved out here, I was still of
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  Speaker 5: that college high school way of judging time. Like every
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  Speaker 5: four years, you know, you, you move on to the
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  Speaker 5: next step. And I would say, wow, somebody, when they
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  Speaker 5: went first grade came out here and it took that.
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  Speaker 5: They graduated high school by the time I got it done,
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  Speaker 5: but they were in first grade when I first came
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  Speaker 5: out here. or first started the whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, that's a really amazing story, Don, because,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think a lot of people hear about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, overnight successes. And I forget who actually said this,
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  Speaker 4: but this person said there is no such thing as
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  Speaker 4: an overnight success because they don't, because when people, you know,
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  Speaker 4: see overnight successes, quote unquote, they really don't see all
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  Speaker 4: the years and the struggles and everything they went through. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's all of a sudden, either when it's
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  Speaker 4: selling a script or getting casted in a movie or
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  Speaker 4: stuff like that. I completely get where you're coming from
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  Speaker 4: about the whole time thing. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people sort of misconstrued that, if you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Right. Oh, absolutely. And I think that if you want
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  Speaker 5: to take a gamble and do something like that, it's
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  Speaker 5: going to take you a long time. Even great comics
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  Speaker 5: take some long time to kind of understand how to
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  Speaker 5: play the crowd, how to present yourself. And I think
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  Speaker 5: that Anybody who ever wants it, who wants to come
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  Speaker 5: out and try and make it in show business, because
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  Speaker 5: in some parts of the country, and in all of Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 5: it's a much bigger city than I came from, but
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how their view of things are, but
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  Speaker 5: for most people, it's such a far-fetched dream to even
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  Speaker 5: try to get it in show business.
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  Speaker 4: We mostly, Don, we mostly hate life in Philadelphia and
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  Speaker 4: hate everybody else, too. So it's a lot of bleakness,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of... You know, we worship fictitious sports athletes
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  Speaker 4: like Rocky Balboa.
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  Speaker 5: Right. You boo Santa Claus. It shows your hatred towards mankind.
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  Speaker 5: And an eagle came. So I understand a little bit
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  Speaker 5: of it. But it's a tough, tough gig. And anybody
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  Speaker 5: who ever wants to try to do it, the best thing,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I'm still far from where I want to be.
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  Speaker 5: But I've never given up. We have... We completed an
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  Speaker 5: unbelievably funny pilot with the big three. And there's people
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  Speaker 5: that want to buy it. We were actually, they wanted
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  Speaker 5: to give us money to make a pilot because so
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  Speaker 5: many times, you know, movies like that go away. But
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  Speaker 5: thank God Jimmy Kimmel produced the whole thing because all
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  Speaker 5: Jimmy used to, he would constantly buy cases of the
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  Speaker 5: movie Windy City Heat. And anybody he thought would like it,
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  Speaker 5: he turned on to by giving a copy. Made t-shirts,
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  Speaker 5: would give people just anything. I mean, so many huge
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  Speaker 5: celebrities came up, you know, to talk about how great
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  Speaker 5: the film was, why it was great. You know, ranging
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  Speaker 5: from Quentin Tarantino, who literally went out of his mind
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  Speaker 5: for it. But it was very good for me because
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  Speaker 5: at the time I was struggling. My claim to fame
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  Speaker 5: was doing the road with dice clay. But because of
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  Speaker 5: this movie, you know, Jimmy Kimmel was the producer of it.
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  Speaker 5: And thank God he came around. And when we finally
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  Speaker 5: got it, he was nice enough to keep me working
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  Speaker 5: ever since he kind of met me. So he got
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  Speaker 5: me some, he got me an audience warmup gig on
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  Speaker 5: when Ben Stein's money, then that turned into four years
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  Speaker 5: of working on, uh, the man show, uh, And then
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  Speaker 5: after that, he got Jimmy Kimmel Live. I've worked in
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  Speaker 5: an industry that if you work 10 weeks a year,
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  Speaker 5: you're doing well. I'm working 40-some weeks a year on
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  Speaker 5: a TV show. So he put me in a position financially.
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  Speaker 5: He's taking very good care of me. So it's a
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  Speaker 5: funny thing. But, you know, all you have to do
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  Speaker 5: is have enough money out here to keep a roof
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  Speaker 5: over your head. If you can make ends meet somehow,
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  Speaker 5: you can then pursue whatever you want. And with that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I realized what a lucky break I had.
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  Speaker 5: And in that lucky break, I wanted to make sure
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  Speaker 5: I didn't blow it. So I have three podcasts I've made.
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  Speaker 5: We finished a pilot that we've been trying to sell,
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  Speaker 5: which we could. We just need one person to say, hey,
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  Speaker 5: go ahead, do it. So it's a very funny, funny business,
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  Speaker 5: and it takes a lot out of you.
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  Speaker 4: I actually tweeted at Netflix one time, because they were
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  Speaker 4: actually going on, that's one of their buying binges. The
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  Speaker 4: old Canadian show, Kenny vs. Spenny, actually had all their
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  Speaker 4: fans that tweeted at Netflix, hey, you should pick us
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  Speaker 4: up for another season, because they haven't been on the
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  Speaker 4: air in almost 10 years. And I was actually tweeting
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  Speaker 4: at Netflix, like, The Big Three is not only hilarious,
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  Speaker 4: but they already have a built-in fan base just like
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  Speaker 4: Kenny vs.
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  Speaker 5: Spenny.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason I tweeted them was I was actually
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  Speaker 4: applying for a job with them at the same time
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  Speaker 4: to be like, it was something to do with creative content.
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  Speaker 4: So that was going to be one of my proposals,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, was to pick up both those shows. Because,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, Don, I mean, Windy City Heat, again,
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  Speaker 4: like I said in the intro, is one of my
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  Speaker 4: favorite movies of all time. It's absolutely hilarious. And all
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  Speaker 4: these celebrities have heard about it, too. You know, Dave Chappelle,
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  Speaker 4: I think, was into it. Quentin Tarantino, like you said.
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  Speaker 4: And didn't Tarantino, didn't he come by one of the
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  Speaker 4: Ding Dong Show performances one time?
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  Speaker 5: He came by and saw the Ding Dong Show, but
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  Speaker 5: he was at the Comedy Store, and he mainly saw
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  Speaker 5: my band and all that stuff. But I brought the
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  Speaker 5: cast on stage, and I was lucky enough to say
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  Speaker 5: that when he... was there, he was pounding his fist
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  Speaker 5: on the table laughing. And it was like, oh my God.
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  Speaker 5: And a real quick story. Well, I'm trying to think. Hostile.
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  Speaker 5: You remember that Hostile movie? Who's the guy that directed that?
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  Speaker 5: Eli Roth. Eli Roth. Well, I mean, I'm still a
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  Speaker 5: kid from Saginaw, Michigan. I mean, you know, and you
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  Speaker 5: don't see much about stars. So anybody that's a star,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just in complete awe of it. So one night
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  Speaker 5: at Jimmy Kimmel, he had on Eli Roth when they
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  Speaker 5: were promoting Hostile. And he brought out, you know, Quentin
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  Speaker 5: Tarantino to help push it a little bit. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: the audience warm-up for Kimmel. So I'm out there doing
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  Speaker 5: my thing. And Jimmy came up and he says, hey,
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  Speaker 5: there's two guys that want to talk to you. And
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  Speaker 5: I walked behind Eli Roth and Quentin Tarantino and he
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  Speaker 5: Quentin Tarantino, this is what I walked in on. See,
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  Speaker 5: I told you. You come to Jimmy Killam, you're going
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  Speaker 5: to meet Don Bears. You can ask any question about
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  Speaker 5: when you see the heat. And, I mean, I'm in, like,
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  Speaker 5: in awe. It was like, what in the hell is happening?
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  Speaker 5: And then Mary Jane was with me one night. What
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  Speaker 5: was that? Do you want me to tell the story? Sure,
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  Speaker 5: do you want... Go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: So, Don and I went to.
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  Speaker 6: Release party for Adam Carolla's boxer movie. Or no, the
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  Speaker 6: construction movie. One of his movies around the time of
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  Speaker 6: the hostel. And, you know, when I go to these
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  Speaker 6: things with Don, I just kind of like, you never
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  Speaker 6: know where you're going to go or where your place is.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you just kind of, it's all in the
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  Speaker 6: busy to-do of it. And so I'm following Don around. Don's,
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  Speaker 6: you know, talking to his co-workers and just whatever is happening,
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  Speaker 6: it's kind of unplanned. And all of a sudden I'm
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: getting chased down because I'm behind Don by Eli Roth,
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: just to say hi and to talk about all this stuff.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: So then I'm in the position to where I'm not
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: really sure what's going on, but Eli Roth is just
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: so excited about Windy City Heat and Dawn and what's
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: going on and all that. So that was the fun
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: little experience. I believe that was at the Arclight Hollywood.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: So it was kind of a weird little upper private
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: bar type of release party.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: Well, that's absolutely amazing.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: That is.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: That is so amazing now that these people are chasing
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: you down, Don.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'll tell you something. It wasn't like, you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I wish you was chasing me down. Hey, why don't
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: you do something with me? Just, you know. But who knows?
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, you obviously know who Jack Black is. Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Jack Black had us do his comedy. He has a
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: yearly comedy music tour.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Festival Supreme.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Festival Supreme. And this year he was just, you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: he was playing with us there. He was going to
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: come up with us on stage, but he had to
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: be up with Amy Kohler. They had something worked out
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: because they were going to be out at the same time.
• 19:52
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• 19:58
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• 20:01
  Speaker 5: But, I mean, he is such a good guy and
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: a fan of this. So we got to hang out
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: with him a little bit. All around there. And it
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: was just every time we do something and somebody else
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: comes around, it's just like, my God, I'm just this
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: guy from Saginaw Township, Michigan. And I did something that
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: these people like. Very, very cool.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: I know we've been talking about the movie. So just
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: for the listeners who haven't heard of it, Windy City
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Heat was a film. It was produced by Jimmy Kimmel.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: It was released on Comedy Central. And then it became
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: a cult classic because like you said, Don, Jimmy would
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: buy the cases of DVDs. I found it one night
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: randomly on Comedy Central. And when the DVD first came out,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I actually bought that. I made sure that I could
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: find this. And now whenever I see a DVD of it,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I actually always make sure to buy it. And then
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I usually just give it out to somebody. Because I
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: want them... And like I've always said to people, I'm
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: jealous of them because... They get to see it for
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: the first time. They get to experience it for the
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: first time. Yeah, because, see.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: You know who else said that exact thing? Do you
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: know who Gavin McGinnis is? Oh, yeah, absolutely. He's the
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: guy that started Vine magazine. He said the same. Vice. Vice,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: excuse me. Vice. But that's exactly what he said, that
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: he gets envious of people that are about to discover this.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: So those words are pretty heavy and all that, but boy,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: thank you for saying that. Thank you for doing it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, my pleasure, Don. I put the movie on for
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: a group of people one time, and there was one
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: person who was a little hesitant because he asked me
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: what it was. And I said, I don't want to
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: give too much away, so I'll tell you this. It's
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: an elaborate prank on one guy. And he started to
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: watch it, and by the end, he was like, I
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: got to order my own copy off Amazon. I have
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: to order this movie. So just for those who listen
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: who haven't heard of it yet, Windy City Heat is
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: a movie within a movie that's a prank on... one
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: of the other members of the Big Three, Scary Perry Caramello, and.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: Wait, I thought it was Percy Caravelli.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, Percy. I'm sorry, Mary Jane. It's my Philly accent.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: You know what? Some people say Perry Caravello. I think
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: I remember him saying that that's how he likes to pronounce,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: but there are various ways of saying his name.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: Or Pear Bear, and the spelling is K-A-R... Now, let him.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: Figure it out himself.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Okay, sorry.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: Okay, so go on with what you're saying about him.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: He's the king of Friday night comedy. So he is the,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: you know, one of the other members of the big three.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: And of course, there's Walter and Mole Molininski. So Don, Mole,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: and Perry are the big three. And the movie opens
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: with Don and Perry on the way to an audition. And,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: you know, the whole movie is a movie. It's almost
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: like a real life Truman Show, Don. And that's another
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: way I describe it. It is just, you know, it's
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: so well done. Again, everyone listening, it's an elaborate prank
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: on Perry. So everyone else is in on it, there's
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: hidden cameras everywhere, and they explain that the cameras in
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: his face are either A, a movie camera, because they
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: are filming this faux movie, or B, it's a behind-the-scenes
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: type deal. And it is absolutely brilliant from start to finish. And,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: you know, again, Don, I know you probably hear it
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: a lot, but It is absolutely freaking hilarious. And, I mean, just,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: you know, making that, you know, I wanted to ask,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: you know, what was one of your favorite things to
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: actually film about Windy City Heat?
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: That I what? I'm sorry.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: What was your favorite thing that you filmed?
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what was one of your favorite things to film
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: during Windy City Heat?
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you something. You know, it's like, you
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: have one take to do this. And, we thought of
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: some things to do and that's, so we had some
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: kind of guys on, but I think when things worked,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: I think that, you know, the, the snack table, the,
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: you know, where mold knocks or Perry knocked over the table.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: I think because that works so well and you don't
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: know what's going to happen. I mean, this guy could like, Oh,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: this is bullshit. He never did. And I think that's
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: the amazing thing. And when you look at this, but
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: by the time we did that movie, we had been
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: doing it for 11 years and we did a lot
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: of things and we put a lot of scenarios in there.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: They're all things that we have that will eventually come
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: out where people could see it. By the way, have
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: you heard the, uh, the podcast? We did four years
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: of a big three podcast.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I listened to every single episode, Don.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Good. Yeah, see, it's unfortunate. The movie doesn't really explain
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: what a character he really is. But you listen to
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: four years of the podcast and you kind of even
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: get a better idea. Like I said, we put together
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: a very cool, made a couple episodes that we wanted
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: to sell. IFC wanted to give us a budget to
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: create a pilot for them. You know, instead I brought
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: the money in myself. And so we're just trying to
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: sell that. Hopefully we can. But it's a whole real world.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: When Jimmy Kimmel came to me, I knew that he
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: kind of understood. When he came up with the thought,
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: this is kind of like the opposite of Andy Kaufman.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Where in Andy Kaufman, he was playing a trick on
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: the world and he stuck to it. In this, it's
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: the opposite because in this, everybody knows what's going to
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: happen to Perry. Just he doesn't. So it's like the
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: world is in a prank on one person.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: And you talked about the podcast. I view the podcast
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: as a sequel to Windy City Heat.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the reason is, and you actually mentioned this yourself,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: is it actually builds upon Perry the character. I mean,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: literally some of the stuff that has come out about Perry,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, it is just, it's almost like one of
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: those Russian nesting dolls. Like, you know, there's a bigger
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: doll and then you take that apart and there's another
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: doll and you just keep going down. And it's almost
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: like you're trying to dissect Perry to what's like, what
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: is the core of this guy? Because there's two things
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: I'm always fascinated with, Don, and that is practical jokes
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: and guys who live on the fringe of society. and
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Perry is both wrapped into one, and he's just such
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: an interesting guy.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, if I could throw this in there. Oh, sure, absolutely.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: The interesting part comes in, but there's a lot of
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: people that first thought, wow, they've got to make the
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: lead world around this poor son of a bitch. Well,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: two things come up, and as I was saying before,
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: I learned about the world of potluck comedy people. They
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: would do anything, To be seen. They want fame. In
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: the movie Perry talks about. He doesn't want to be
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: a movie star. He just wants to be famous. And
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: in that. That's what he got. Because that's all he
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: cares about. He walks around. And if somebody doesn't know
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: the movie Windy City Heat. Right now. Oh come on.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Everybody knows that movie. His ego is unbelievable. He's a
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: racist homophobic pig. Misogynistic. He's just an animal. To women.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: There's a girl that came back to town that we've
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: known for quite a while. All right, here. Go on.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: I'm not interrupting.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Go ahead. Say something. Go ahead. No, I'll wait until
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: after you go. So there's a girl that came to
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: town that kind of did this before. She needed a
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: ride places. She came from Chicago. And they went over
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: to her house. He went in the bathroom, came out
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: with his pants off and a hard on. You can't
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: not hate this person.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: That is a classy move, Don.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: He at least lets them know what he's into. There's
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: no question about that. I think that we can get
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: away with it in the aspect of putting it together.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: He does gain. He gains exactly what he wants, but
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: he's a horrible person. Has no friends whatsoever. And any
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: friend he gets, he just automatically turns up.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: You know, that was funny. Because when Facebook first came around,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: I saw Perry was on there. And I legitimately, dead serious,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: I sent him a very nice message. And I just
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: said how big of a fan I was of Windy
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: City Heat. I didn't tell him anything. I wasn't, you know,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: making fun of him or anything. I just said, I'm
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: a very big fan of Windy City Heat. You know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: I said, you know, I really hope the best happens
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: to the big three. And he sent me back a
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Facebook message basically telling me to go to hell. And
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: I was a loser.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he does. that. And they tried selling T-shirts. I
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: think he got them for four bucks and he saw
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: them for thirty five.
• 29:49
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• 29:55
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• 29:58
  Speaker 5: And some guy sent him a letter. Hey, you sent
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: me the wrong shirt and it's way too small. His response,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: that was tough shit.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I believe that was the guy ordered an extra
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: large and he sent him a medium. He felt that
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: that was the closest size he had.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: That's all he had left. And then it was, this
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: doesn't fit me. Overpaying for a damn t-shirt and then
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: he goes through all that tough shit. So he was
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: a class act, and you learned to hate him immediately.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: There's many people that will actually say, wow, I always
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: felt sorry for this guy. Then he did this to me.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Nobody should feel sorry for him because, number one, he
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: gets exactly what he wants out of it. Exactly. I
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: granted his wish.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: Can you tell me what happened the other day?
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: So just the other day, I'm minding my own business.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: You know, haven't had contact with Perry since. you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: the podcast or the pilot or whatnot. And I look
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: at my phone, a private message from Perry calling me
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: an unprofessional bitch. So I open up the message and
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: I see that the last communication I had with him
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: was 2012. And it was, I believe, the time that
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: Mole and Perry surprised Don and in one of the
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: podcasts back in 2012. And so Perry accidentally, he saw
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: the correspondence from 2012 and thought it was yesterday, or no,
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: the day before yesterday. And so the full message was,
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: I don't want to have anything to do with you guys.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: And then he called me an unprofessional bitch. And less
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: than a minute later, he said, I'm sorry, that was
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: an old message. And that was it. literally out of
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: nowhere just just for no reason you know.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Um i mean to add more pre-connect to him when
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: we we made a a series of stuff and one
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: of the things that we went out there and did
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: was uh we have all this stuff that we recorded
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: with him and during one interview he was talking about
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: the fact he got kicked off the school grounds because
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: every day he worked for his cousin's print shop. And
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: he would go and eat his lunch at this school
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: so he could watch the girls. And they eventually came
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: up and they told him, hey, you can't be here.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: And he fought it. And there's no way he thought
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: it was wrong. That's bullshit. That's bullshit. I do nothing.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: I just eat my lunch and stare at girls. He
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: has no social etiquette at all. Terrible person.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: And just to complete that story, Perry was like over 30.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Because I imagine, you know, with the story Mary Jane
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: told about him on Facebook, I imagine Perry just sitting
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: in that Dust Bowl apartment of his and just on
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Facebook or Twitter constantly just sort of stalking random people.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: And that's how I sort of think he lives his life.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: Absolutely. And I'm pretty sure I was called an unprofessional
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: bitch because literally the night before he had gone out
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: with the fans and exposed himself to that woman. So
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: I think that in his mind, he was like thinking
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: that he was going to get in trouble or going
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: to get like, oh boy, I did something. I might,
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: they're going to call me on it. And so out
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: of nowhere, he thinks that I'm scolding him. and replies
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: to a message from 2012.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: That is classic Perry. And to go on to the...
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: You were talking about the wrong shirt size. I'm actually
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: wearing a Scary Perry skateboard shirt right now.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Because, like you said, Don, you kind of feel like
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: you should throw him a bone. Yeah. I remember I
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: actually ordered this shirt. I was like, there's nowhere near
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: anywhere where he charges for it. It's actually one of
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: the cheaper shirts that I actually have. I have shirts
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: that cost like half as much, but are much higher quality.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: And then I made the mistake, Don, of trying to
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: buy one of his skateboards. And the skateboard came in
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: for Christmas, this past Christmas, December 2015. The board was damaged.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: And it wasn't signed at all. And I had to
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: call Perry's manager to get him, and he just sent
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: me some stickers. He's like, just use these to cover
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: up the damage. Because Perry was going to send me
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: a signed 8x10, but then he said, and I quote,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: fuck him, he doesn't deserve anything.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah. If customer care in his store is not that good,
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I'll be the first to admit that. Oh, he's just
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: such a pig. Such a pig.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: And when you hear of all these stories, it just
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: adds to Windy City Heat, and it adds to the podcast. Because, like,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: the layers in this guy, sometimes he just... He almost
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: looks like a shrunken Steven Seagal. Because, you know, he's
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: got this weird trash bag leather jacket on. He's got, like...
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: He almost looks like Ben Franklin, too, at some point.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: And he's got this big, huge fanny pack on that is...
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: It looks like a book bag that's strapped around his waist.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: And it's just... You look at this guy and you're like,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: is this guy for real? Like, he stands out like
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: a sore thumb, even in, like, the craziest districts. He
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: kind of reminds me in a way of, like, well,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: I would give him too much credit. I was going
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: to say, like, somebody like Tommy Wiseau, somebody who's so oblivious,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: but I think Tommy Wiseau is more talented than Perry.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: So, Don, is there any talk of Windy City Heat
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: maybe coming out on Blu-ray or even on demand or anytime?
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Because I know there was a Netflix petition started by
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: the big three fans to get it carried on Netflix.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: But I just know, is there anything else to go
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: forward with it?
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: Well, I can answer that question. Basically, with Windy City Heat,
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: um paramount owns it so paramount's the one that put
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: it on dvd paramount's the one that um put it
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: on netflix i believe still instinct i mean the disc
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: the where you send the disc only not um instant
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: q and so um to the best of my knowledge
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: paramount would have to make the decision to put it
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: on blu-ray and or wherever else windy city heat could
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: go i don't think uh dawn or even uh Jimmy
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: really can do anything without Paramount and their system of
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: deciding what happens with their stuff.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it probably won't be released on Blu-ray, but a
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: lot of people right now are trying to sign petitions.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he mentioned that, yeah.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: And so there's a group of people that are trying
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: to do that, and it's funny because a while back
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: at the comic store, There's a guy that I know
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: that owns this big, like this multi-multi-millionaire lives in Vegas
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: and made his money from doing gambling magazines. Well, one
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: night he was with the guy that was in charge
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: of deciding what went on Netflix. And so I talked
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: to him about that and he was like, yeah, I'll
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: definitely do this. I'll do that. You know, never did.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: Well, I think that Comedy Central has a deal with
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: Paramount and wherever I've seen, you know, like, I don't
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: know if this is good to say, but that Kmart
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: and then whatever it turned into, they had all the
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: Comedy Central shows on DVD for like a really good price.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: And I know that when it was happening, fans from
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: all over America were like, I just bought 10, 10
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Windy City Heats. I just bought. you know, 20, like
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: the people were going in there and just buying as
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: many as humanly possible. And when I went to look,
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: I realized that it was literally all the Comedy Central
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: ones in a bulk package via Paramount. So it kind
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: of Windy City, he's lumped in that purchase selling situation.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I saw some of them too. I know exactly what
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: you're talking about too, Mary Jane, because I saw... A
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: couple of those at the local Big Lots. Yeah, Big Lots. Yeah,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: that's where I would buy them, too. And that's where
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: I would just try to give them out. I would
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: buy them wherever I could. They were like $ 3 or $ 5,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: and I would just hand them out. Because I know
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: a friend of mine, like I was telling Don when
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: he saw it on when I showed him my copy,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: he actually just went on Amazon and bought that one.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: You know, everyone, I'm going to link to a show notes,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: in the show notes, by the way, where you can
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: actually purchase Windy City Heat, whether it's through Amazon or wherever.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: But honestly... This is one of those movies where if
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I had made a list of every movie people should
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: see before they die, Windy City Heat is definitely on there.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: Wow. Well, you know, I'll tell you something. The only
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: unfortunate thing, yeah, I get that, but you know what?
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: You can also, I think they put it on YouTube.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: Look under Windy City Heat. I think it's on YouTube.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: So if somebody just wants to watch it, you can
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: get it there. But I mean, you should tell people
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: to listen to the podcast. Oh, yes.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: Do you remember most recently on Simply Dawn podcast episode 100, actually?
• 39:52
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• 39:59
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• 40:01
  Speaker 6: Was Perry and Mole with Dawn.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: If you want to listen to all those, go to
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: Simply Dawn, the podcast network dot com. We've got a
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: few things out there we do have the store where
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: we're updating all this stuff because there could be some
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: things that are happening even with the big three. So,
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: but it's the big three podcast. What is it?
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: The big three podcast.com.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: No podcast network.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Oh, simply down the podcast network store.com.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: No. When that work. Oh, geez. It's simply down the
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: podcast network.com. Go there and there's a few different things
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: and go to the store and all that kind of stuff.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: And I want to make sure to link to all
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: that in the show notes as well, even to what
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Don was saying with Winnie City Heat on YouTube. You know,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask, you know, Don, I know, I mean,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: time is flying by here, Don. I know you have
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: to go soon, but, you know, I know you started
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: your own podcast, which is simply Don the Podcast. You know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: what was sort of your impetus to start that? Cause
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: I know, you know, you, you, you, you ended the big, well,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. The, the big three pockets ended, but I mean,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I know you probably want to start your own podcast,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: but it was there any real reason why you wanted
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: to start your own brand?
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: Because I had seen what became of Joe Logan's network.
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: And I saw Adam Corolla and all those guys. They
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: started when this thing of the podcast first happened and
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: they got.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Huge, huge numbers. Because, you know, they were kind of
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: known and like, here's a way to listen to these guys.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: It wasn't out there that much. Now there's so many podcasts.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: It's really tough to get a share of the market.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Who cares? When they started, there was nothing else. So
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: all of these guys got these huge numbers and they've
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: kept them. And I got a chance because the Big
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: 3 podcast was first on Ace Broadcasting, which is Adam Carolla.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: And Red Band started, who worked with Joe Rogan, started
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Death Squad. And all the people that came out of
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Death Squad, you know, they have a podcast and they
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: started getting huge numbers of their own because they were
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: part of the Death Squad network. And bottom line is,
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: it's the new way to promote yourself. You can promote anything.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: You know, Joe Rogan's almost got the perfect life because
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: what he does is like he does the... UFC. UFC.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: He calls those matches. You know, he books someplace in
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: that town for him to do stand-up comedy. Tickets sell
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: out in minutes because he just goes on his podcast
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: network and he has so many people that listen on
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: a daily basis. He just pushes it. And I realized
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: that's the wave of the future. I mean, you have
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: to get some sort of market. And then if you're
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: doing show business stuff, Because now, we live in the
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: day and age, you can actually make your own pilot.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: You can make your own series. And if it's set
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: up right, you can make money because you can have
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: your own network. And that way, you don't have to
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: talk to anybody. You don't have to do anything. No
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: one has to select you. They still can if they
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: have a role in a movie for you. Oh, yeah,
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: here's a guy. He'd be perfect for the guy. Stan, boom,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: he's in the movie. But the rest of yourself, being
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: able to do stand-up and doing all that kind of crap,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: you go out there and promote the hell out of yourself.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: And that's why you go on other podcasts. So, I'm sorry. Oh, no, sorry.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: I didn't mean to interrupt. I'm sorry, Don.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: No, no, no. Continue.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Well, I was going to say, I agree with you
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: immensely because that's something I found out, too, is there
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: is a crowded podcast market now. There's a crowded filmmaking market. Uh,
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: and somebody sent me, when I first started this podcast,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: somebody sent me an article called a thousand true fans.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: And basically it was just about, if you can cultivate
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: a thousand true fans, you can make a career just
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: off those thousand fans. Uh, whether it's setting up a Patreon,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: whether it's, you know, uh, like you said, with Joe
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Rogan and going to see standup, whether it's a YouTube channel, uh,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: if you can do it right, he said, you know,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: this whole thing is you could, you could base an
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: entire career for a thousand fans.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Well, it's almost like a pyramid scheme because it's like
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: today I'm doing your show. You know, I don't know
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: what kind of people listen to you. What happens? You know,
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: but that's what you got to do. You got to
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: do all these other shows. And so if you have
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: a market share, let's say you have a thousand people
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: that listen every time that you put a podcast up.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Those are probably a thousand people that don't know who
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: I am or most of your guests and you turn
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: them on to that. Well, the more of these podcasts
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: you do, the better, like I said, Death Squad, what
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: I saw, like, wow, this is how it's done, I
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: saw Adam Carolla, this is how it's done, and you
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: watch those people, and I was close enough, you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: I knew the guy that kind of was the top
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: guy over with Adam Carolla, a guy by the name
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: of Donny Mizrahi, he no longer is part of it,
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: but He brought me onto the network, gave me a chance,
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: and I just kind of absorbed everything there. But I
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: knew because of Red Band, what he was doing. Do
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: you know what Red Band is? Do you know? Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: So those guys are very successful, you know, and they
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: make a lot of money. They make a lot of
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: money doing a lot of stuff. So I thought that,
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: you know, all these podcasts can do is help you.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: So now I officially have three. And, you know, Ding
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: Dong Show, which was kind of basically how Perry started
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: in my world. Because I had this kind of, like
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: it was our show with like six, seven, eight comics
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: that came on every time I'd have a show. And
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: one of them was Perry. You know, I started that way.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: And so then I thought, well, I can still do that.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: I can just have it without Perry. And have Perry
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: a separate show.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: And this kind of ties into with a question, Don,
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: from one of the fans. Basically, they can imagine that
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: Perry is probably insane to deal with. I'm sure. I
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: can't even get through the question, Don, without laughing. I'm
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: sure you're insane to deal with.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: If you know Perry, you can understand he is the
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: worst person. No matter what you do for the guy,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: it's never enough. It's never enough. I can't tell you
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: how many times I just wanted to punch the fuck
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: out of him. I don't know if you usually, but
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, he is such a bad guy and he
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: does things that hurt him, but he does things. He
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: now is at the point where he knows if he
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: wants to get me upset, he knows he can just
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: like not do something the day of the show or come,
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: you know, tired or come in a bad mood. Oh,
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: he's just such a bad guy. So go on. Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Because one of the questions was, how does Don manage
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: dealing with all of, let's say, the quote-unquote strong personalities
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: between the Ding Dong Show and Perry Caravello?
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: Who else did I question?
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: I think it was Chris... I forget who it was, actually,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Well, it's Chris. That's a great question.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's Chris Dorm. Sorry, it's Chris Dorm. So how
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: does the strong personalities between the Ding Dong Show and
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: Percy Caramelli... Dealing with the craziness has to be very tough.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: How does Don deal?
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: Well, I'll be very honest with you. It's gotten to
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: the point now I can't. And thank God for Mary
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: Jane because she is now the go-between on everything. And
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know how she does it because I went
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: through years. Mary Jane, how do you go through it?
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, there's in life, I put it this way,
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: there's facts and there's things that you can rely on.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: and then there's those wild cards. And, um, so, you know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: I know the end goal and I know the, the,
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: you know, pieces of the structure that don't move and
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: the rest just kind of can be thrown into a blender.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: And as long as everything, the basics get covered, um,
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: you know, the rest and like with, um, you know,
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: with the Ding Dong cast, I do get a lot
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: of crazy calls and crazy messages. And, you know, once
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: you get to know each personality, you can kind of
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: figure out what their motivation is and ways to, you know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: shield them from things that would be stressful in their
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: life that wouldn't necessarily stress out. Like if you work
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: in any other environment where, you know, Okay, this person
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: likes this. but is a not person, you know, and
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: you just kind of like a manager would, would mediate between,
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: you know, the tasks that need to be done and, um,
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: you know, what personalities or, or job titles would, would
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: likely do it best. And, and with Perry, there, there
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: really is no logic. You never know. Um, how bad
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: of an attitude he's going to have or how much
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: he's going to try to ruin the ultimate goal.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: I think the worst thing about Perry is this.
• 49:53
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• 49:59
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• 50:02
  Speaker 5: He now, as I started to explain, understands that if
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: he does this, it's going to piss me off. And
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: just to piss me off, He'll do that. And that
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: usually involves him not coming to a big show, you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: because there's so many times we had a public access
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: shows where I worked with Perry at the comedy store.
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: Then there were problems at the comedy store. So I
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: took Perry on this public access show because you always
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: have to have a carrot in front of Perry's face
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: that he's always chasing. And so he would purposely try
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: to ruin shows. And it was a lot of yelling
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: and screaming to the last minute. It's torture. But, you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: people could say, well, you torture him. Yeah. So I
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: guess it's fair.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: You know, Donna, as you know, getting close to closing,
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: I just want to tell a really quick story. I
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: remember when you guys are doing the Festival Supreme, Perry comes.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: was on one of your podcasts, and I can't remember
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: if it was a Big 3 podcast or Simply Don,
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: but he started to badmouth Jack Black.
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: And he said how Shallow Hell sucks and he wanted
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: a contract. And that he was ripping you guys off.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: And again, Perry always says he's getting ripped off too,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: which I always find hilarious.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you something interesting about that. The
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: main reason we did it is because I wanted to
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: get that soundbite because... Well, we went to the Festival Supreme.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: I hear we're on the main stage, the same stage
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: as De Antwoord. Are you familiar with that band, De Antwoord? Yes. Yeah. So,
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're a huge band, getting bigger and bigger.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: So I thought, oh my God, there's going to be
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: so many people that don't know us. In a way,
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: thank goodness, it was just a lot of big three
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: fans of that. But what we did is, you know,
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: you come out... You say the same kind of phony
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: stuff all day. I just want to thank Jack Black
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: for biting us down here. So Mo does that. And
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: then I said, Kerry, you can say it. And he
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: goes up there. I just want to thank Jack Black.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: I ripped the mic from him. I said, well, you
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: didn't say that on our podcast the other day. And
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: then we played that. Jack Black thought that was the
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: funniest thing ever. I saw him after that. And he goes,
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: it just killed me. And I do know that we
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: had the guys that worked the sound booth and all
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: that laughing. So it was beyond just getting the audience
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: to laugh. I think it was really kind of like,
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: what the fuck is going on here type of moments.
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: So that was playing the story there.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: I've never actually gotten to meet Perry. And that is
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: on my bucket list. I know as we, you know,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: my experiences with them. But it's stuff like that, Don,
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: where I just, it's almost like... it's almost like this weird,
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: odd celebrity that you're like, man, he could just disappear
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: at any moment. I should try to meet him before
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: he just vanishes. And that's the way I kind of
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: look at Perry. I want to come out at some
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: point to just meet him. But again, like Gavin once said,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: you're afraid you're going to fuck it up. But you
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: know when you meet him, you're afraid you don't want
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: to touch the magic, if you know what I mean.
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: Well, Gavin pointed out a lot of things because Gavin
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: began to stand immediately and just just all it would
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: do is tell everybody in the world, like you. I'll
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: tell you, there's more people because of people like you
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: guys that saw it and then just told everybody that
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: they knew. That's the way this thing becomes somewhat popular.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: And that's the reason, you know, the movie came out
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: in 2003. And still, instead of becoming small, it's becoming
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: bigger and bigger and the fan base is growing. Because
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: when Somebody turns it on to somebody else, they find
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: it for the first time. We still, once in a while,
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: get big three podcasts that get into the top 200
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: of the iTunes. They get into the top 200. And
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: we haven't done a show, really, since 2000-whatever, years ago.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: You know, we, we now, if we do anything, it's
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: on simply down the podcast, but back then, you know,
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: we're making the top 200 and shows that are just
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: basically repeats. So, uh, pretty happy with that.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: And that's just a testament to how, you know, how
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: much traction, you know, not only, not only the movie,
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: but like, like I said earlier, I always view the
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: podcast as a sequel to windy city heat. Uh, cause it,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: it just adds all these layers to, to everything. And, um,
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, just, you know, and then, of course, the
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: $ 10 shoutouts are always hilarious. I actually was able to
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: send one in one time.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: What was yours?
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Mine was under, I know.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: It was done. Can I interrupt you real quick? $ 10
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: shoutouts was where if someone sent in $ 10, we would
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: read their letter on the air. And what had happened,
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: a lot of the fans knew the buttons to push
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: on Perry, so he'd flip out and get upset. I
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: think that's what everybody would do, just try to out-top
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: everybody else. So that's what the $ 10 shout-out is. Now
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: pick up your story. What was yours?
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Well, I know it was against the rules, Don, but
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: I used a fake name.
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: Oh, really? You'd be the first one, right?
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know. I went against the rules. And
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: I tried to go for a long game with my letter.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: And Perry didn't take it the way I thought he would.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: But it was actually towards the end of the podcast
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: from where I actually sent in a letter. And I
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: actually couldn't continue on, which I was trying to do.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: I was trying to sort of put together this kind
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: of long joke on Perry. But it didn't work out
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: so well. Because, again, he didn't respond like I thought
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: he was going to.
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: What was the letter?
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: The letter was about the Perry Caravello School of Acting.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: It was signed... I think my name was Googie Asler.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I probably mispronounced the name.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: It was the... Because it was formerly the Perry Caravello
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: School of Acting, formerly the Perry Caravello School of Heating
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: and Air Conditioning Repair.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: See, that's funny. You got the joke. And I'll tell
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: you this. The... If I screwed up the name, I
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: used to, maybe one of the bad things is we
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: would read the letters on air. I should have at
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: least looked at it before we went on, but I
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: would just go out there and do it. So I
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: would always screw up names and things like that. So
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: if I messed up your name, I'm sorry.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Well, I actually asked Perry to read the letter. To
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: make it even funnier. But he was like, Googie!
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Asler!
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: And he kind of said it. I thought he was
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: going to flip out and, you know, not know what
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: I was talking about. But he just sort of, you know,
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: I think that was where the letter before was either
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: about his fake disability scheme or the incident with RC.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: So I can't remember. But I remember, I think.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: I would have to say, even taking over for the
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: RC guy, which was a whole story that people should
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: be forced to try to find out on their own.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: You can't tell everything, but I think that the fake
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: disability thing pisses him off more than anything else ever
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: thrown at him. Which is where he was like, when
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: he was like a teenager, when he first got his car,
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: he had a car accident that put him in a
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: coma for a few days. So it was a terrible
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: car accident. But He, like most people, they need an
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: excuse for failure. And his excuse is because of his
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: accident that happened 20, 30 years ago. And not that
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: it's funny, but everything in his life was taken to
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: be funny. So people started saying that it was a
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: fake disability scam. And it would just set him off
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: unlike anything else. So that's what you're talking about.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: There is a, there is so much, like I was
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: saying before, there's so many layers to this and it's just,
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: you know, we would need like 10 podcasts to get
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: through it all.
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: But I wouldn't be able to do it. And all
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: the people that have been part of it, just, you know, uh, but, uh, yeah.
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: So I, by the way, I appreciate you being on. I,
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: it sounds like you're starting to wrap up. I want
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: to make sure that we could promote a couple of
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: things on here.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, absolutely. I know you have to go, Don,
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: and I don't want to keep pressing you for time.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: So in closing, Don, is there anything else, you know,
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: you just want to put a period at the end
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: of the sentence or, you know, is there anything you
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: or Mary Jane want to say just to sort of
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: wrap everything up?
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Well, why don't you ask a question and we'll see
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: if we can answer. You can ask any question you
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: want about the Ding Dong Show, about Jimmy Kimmel, about
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: Big 3, anything you'd like to talk about.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, I actually, alright, I want to ask this to
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: you and Mary Jane. You know, Honestly, I don't want
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: to sound like a guidance counselor, but where do you
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: see yourselves in five years for both you and Mary Jane?
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm hoping because Mary Jane may feel the same way,
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: we put a lot of time into this to try
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: to build somewhat of a network because I think that
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: I'm getting more people that help me out and Money
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: is around the corner. Now we've been offered money from
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: bigger companies.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: And now back to the show.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: So hopefully I can start this little entertainment network that
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: can have, you know, because the internet, believe it or not,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: not only is it the wave of the future, But
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: I think it's either a great way to promote or
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: it's a great way to have a show. You know,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: and if you can sit there and make all the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: calls you want, hey, let's shoot this. This sounds funny.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: And you can go out there and make a little money.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: That's spectacular. All I'm looking for is to make enough
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: money to live. And we're getting close to that. You know,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: I'm lucky I have a job that I work all
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: the time that I basically work a total of eight
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: hours a week. And in that time, it gives me
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: the money to be able to do all the other projects.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: So now let's hope all the other things start to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: click in and, you know, hopefully in five years, I'm
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: making a lot of money off things I'm creating myself.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: You know, Don, I, I honestly, I, I think you
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: were going to get to that point. Uh, Like you said,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: with the internet, because just with all the different avenues
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: that are opening up, I actually was listening to an
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: investor friend of mine. He said he knows that about
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: 50% to 70% of his income in the next couple
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: of years is going to come from technology that doesn't
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: exist yet.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: But that's because of the way things are going now.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of different avenues to approach things. And honestly, Don,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: I think that's sort of what you were talking about.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: Well, the great thing, I'm in a position that I'm
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: around a lot of people that are in show business.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: So to be able to do shows and to do,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: if it becomes like videos, short videos, long videos, movies,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: I have an idea for a movie that I, you know,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: a very bizarre movie that I wanted to do and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: just bring in all the people that I know in
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: comedy to do cameos. And like we did a, I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: guess I can't really say names, but we did the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: pilot for the big three and they all kind of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: worked for me for nothing. But to get the quality
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: of talent, like I had about a cast of about
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: 10 and To get them to do something for you
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: and pay them their normal fee, you're talking millions of dollars.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: And these guys are working for free for me, so
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: I know that I'm doing something right. But Mary Jane,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: you never answered the question, where do you see yourself
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: for five years?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: Well, when I started my journey in Hollywood, very quickly
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: I realized and we've given advice from older successful people
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: that it's not just one thing. It is a lifetime
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: of work as an artist. And with all these projects
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: that we've discussed, and as of recently, I kind of
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: finally felt what I was told in that, you know,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: and it goes along the thing, if you love what
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: you do, you'd never really work a day in your life.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: And I feel I've finally gotten to a point where
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: I do really enjoy everything going on. So the only
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: thing I can say is that in five years from now,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't want to change anything except for to get
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: to be doing the same things I'm already doing every
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: day and every week and with bigger, more spectacular things,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: but just on a more comfortable level.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that what it becomes if you're paid
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: you're feeling good because there's nothing more fun than doing
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: art and doing things that are fun and happy because
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: it is like playing. It keeps you young at heart
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: and it's like playing. Goofing around as a kid, but
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: you're goofing around and your only goal is to have
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: some money come in for that, I think. I think
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: that's everybody's ultimate idea of getting in show business. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 6: And I don't even think of it as a like, oh,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: have to have money, you know, to survive. It's more
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: like to get the opportunity, the bigger budget you get
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 6: to create on, you know, one project or another, it
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: just lets the vision come out brighter and more clear.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: That is a great way to put it, Don and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: Mary Jane. You know, and I think you're right, too.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, when they're able, when any artist
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: is able to actually do their art and get paid
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: for it, whether they're a painter, a sculptor, an actor,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: a comedian, a writer, I think it just adds to it.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: You know, I think that that's the dream, you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: when you live in that dream. And like you said, Don,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: you know, with Joe Rogan now, he's sort of living
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: that dream life because, you know, he's able to sort
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: of have that synergetic effect. Where, you know, the UFC
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: feeds off his podcast, which feeds into his stand-up comedy,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: which feeds back into the UFC. So it's sort of
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: like this network that's just feeding one another. And, you know,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: I think that's sort of what a lot of artists
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: now are going for, you know, whether it's with Patreon
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: or even some artists even get paid to tweet. You know,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: like a company will come by and sponsor them and say, hey,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: you know, five tweets a week or a month or whatever,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: and we'll pay you X amount of dollars. Even stuff
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: like that ties in with all that stuff we were
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: talking about earlier with all the revenues and just all
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: the things that keep opening up almost as technology advances
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: every day now it seems. It just seems like there's
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: another avenue to approach.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. I'm more happy about how show business and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: how you can make money now than when I first started.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: That's for sure. There's so many avenues. so many ways
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: to do it. And, you know, and, you know, you know,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: hard years to get guests to come on your show. Well,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: it becomes hard to get guests, but now I'm starting
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: to do, you know, uh, Pamela, their bars. Do you
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: know what that is? No, I'm sorry. I don't. In
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: the seventies, she was like the most famous groupie there was,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: you know, they say they based part of the character
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: for that almost famous movie. Uh, you know, on this woman.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, she has a list of people that she
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: had sex with from Mick Jagger, Robert Plant, to Woody Allen.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: She had affairs and long affairs with a lot of
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: these people. From what I understand, Robert Plant still comes
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: to see her when he's in Los Angeles. So, I mean,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: there's some interest there and I'm to the point now
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: I'm going to start interviewing people like that just to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: get things going but it is hard to get gas
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: especially when there's no money or anything like that but
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: I just I believe so much that this is the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: future and this is what you have to have you
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: know I'm nobody makes money at first but I'll tell
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: you it is an interesting thing to do and it's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: when you said that you wanted me to do this
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: and you honored me by saying that you wanted me
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: to be your hundredth guest I was very happy to
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: do that you know I'm happy that we touched somebody
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: and I have no problem talking to you about it.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: I hope that I was pretty good with you. Didn't
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: do a lot of things about the funny, funny bits,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: but I'm glad that, uh, I hope that was okay
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: for you. I hope Mary Jane was okay.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely. You know, I wanted this to be, you know,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, you know, each show that I do
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: here is different, but I wanted this to be, I know,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously that you have the big three fan base.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: I want to, sort of this to be like sort
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: of a, an add on. It's sort of like, as
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: I said before, another, you know, peeling back another layer and,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: and sort of seeing, you know, the, the Don Barris
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: story and, and hearing, you know, what Mary Jane is
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: going through too, you know, just, just about being a
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: working artist, you know, stuff like that. And, you know, honestly,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: obviously we talked about Perry, but I, I honestly done.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: I think that's going to, I think Perry is going
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: to follow you for until, Until the end of time,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: I'm the only one that's fucking up his life. I
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: am the worst person ever. People have taken Perry and
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: they try to do their own little thing with Perry, which...
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: usually is terrible for us but you know but he
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: is uh he's gonna be around unless i can get
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: something else for him that's what i'm trying to do
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: just so he can make some money off websites and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: things like that i'm just trying to help him but
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: i gotta get the fuck away from this guy because
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: he's a terrible person. You know, and if you ever
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: want to have me on again, maybe we can talk
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: about the Ding Dong Show and other stuff going on.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Don. You know, I would love to have
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: you and Mary Jane back on sometime.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: All right, very cool. Can we kind of promote a
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: few things before we go?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Feel free to, you know, work with me,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: find you out online, and if there's anything else you
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: want to talk about, please feel free.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, on myself, Twitter, if you ever want
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: to follow me, because It is a numbers game, so
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: the more Twitter followers, the better. If you want to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: get in touch with me, I'm at simplydon1. That's the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: number one.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: And now, back to the show.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: Mary Jane is.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: A with a circle, S-M-O-K-I-N-G, M-A-R-Y-J-A-N.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: There you go. We have... We have the Ding Dong Show,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: which is, we haven't put it up online yet, but
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: we have about 100 shows we're going to put up
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: of the Ding Dong Show. And I'd like to get
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: people to start looking at that. But you can, on
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: Monday night, because we have the Ding Dong Show, we've
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: taken that, we're making a podcast of all the live
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: shows from the Comedy Store. But we have a, right
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: now it goes live. And Mary Jane, how could they
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: watch the Ding Dong Show Monday nights?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: Every Monday, if you're going to come to Hollywood at
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: the Comedy Store, it's 10 p.m. But if you're elsewhere
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: and can't come in person, you can watch on YouTube
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: live stream. And the channel to find is The The
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: Ding Dong Show. Yes, that is two THEs. So The
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: The Ding Dong Show at 10.30 p.m. California Standard Pacific,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: whatever time.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So that... I'm at Facebook at Don Beres. What
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: else do I have out there? Oh, Instagram. I do
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: a lot of Instagram. I just got a great video
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: the other day. I was driving down Sunset Boulevard. I
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: hope it's about 3, 3.30 in the morning. I'm taking
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: somebody home. In the middle of Sunset Boulevard came this
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: guy with nothing but shoes, a helmet, and a skateboard.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: Was it Barry? No, it wasn't Barry. But I put
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: this Vine video up, which is at Don Barris, is
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: my Vine. I put that up, and it was of
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: a guy completely naked skateboarding at 3.30 in the morning.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: And so everybody said, oh, I see Perry sold another
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: skateboard there. So that was, they'll always tie it into Perry.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: But all he did was kind of tell me to
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: fuck off, and then threw a skateboard at me. But
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: I enjoy doing that, so... Instagram. I'm at simply down
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: one too. So that's to that, but it was very
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: fun being on the show with you, Dave. You're a
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: very good guy. And thank you for pushing the, the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: big three. It's guys like you that made it more popular.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's, you know, my, my, my pleasure, Don. I actually, uh,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: also everyone just before we wrap up, I want to mention, I, um,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: I've actually been working on a comic book of sorts
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: actually about Perry, uh, a scary Perry Christmas. And, uh,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: you know, I usually put that up in the Big
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: 3 fan club, and I want to, you know, offline,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: I want to talk to you, Don, about if it
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: would be okay if I actually put it up on
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: my site. Again, it would be free. It would just be,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: you know, I just want to make sure it's okay
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: with you.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: Sure, why not?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: So that way people can download it as, like, a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: PDF or, um, because people sometimes ask me to put
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: up other file extensions. So I want to actually put
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: that up there. Again, it's 100% free. I'm not crowdfunding anything, so...
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: And issue four is about to drop, Don. I think
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: you're going to really like issue four. It actually goes
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: all into Perry's supposed car crash.
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  Speaker 5: Whoa. That'll be... See? I've heard about it for so long,
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  Speaker 5: but to see it'll be great.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we really get to the bottom of
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  Speaker 4: this whole car crash thing. Don and Mary Jane, I
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  Speaker 4: want to say thank you so, so much for coming on.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Dave.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Again, anytime you guys want to come back on, please.
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  Speaker 4: The door's always open. And honestly, I look forward to
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  Speaker 4: seeing what both of you are coming up with. I
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  Speaker 4: think there's a lot of interesting things that are going
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  Speaker 4: to be coming out from you two in the next
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  Speaker 4: couple of years. And very soon, actually, not just the
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: next couple of years.
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  Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much. It was fun being here.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you very, very much.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my pleasure. And I wish you guys the best
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  Speaker 4: of luck and have a good night.
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  Speaker 5: All right. Bye now. Take care. Bye-bye.
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  Speaker 3: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
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  Speaker 3: a great job on this episode. If you want to
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  Speaker 3: get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
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  Speaker 3: head over to the show notes at bulletproofscreenwriting.tv forward slash 490.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for listening, guys.
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  Speaker 1: As always, keep on writing no matter what.
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  Speaker 5: I'll talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Bulletproof Screenwriting Podcast at bulletproofscreenwriting.tv.