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  Speaker 1: all sixty seven yard run or shawnlich only label the
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  Speaker 1: Baste is alive in the world. The Beast was most
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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome to NFL explained I'm a deedy Kinkabwalla,
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  Speaker 1: joined as always by the wonderful and eloquent Mike yam
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  Speaker 1: what's up, Yammer. I'm doing great. I cannot tell you
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  Speaker 1: how excited I am because you just dropped Yammer out there.
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  Speaker 1: My nickname not nearly as cool as Marshawn Lynches. Although
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  Speaker 1: I can't do what Marshawn did in that NFC wild
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  Speaker 1: Card game back in If I was able to stiff arm,
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  Speaker 1: push five dudes off of me in an NFL football
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  Speaker 1: game and get into the end zone, believe me, I
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  Speaker 1: would want the fans basically erupting so darn loud that
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  Speaker 1: the place would be shaking. And that's exactly what happened, right.
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  Speaker 1: The crowd was so loud the noise registered on the
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  Speaker 1: Richter scale, and that's kind of be some sort of
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  Speaker 1: crazy trifecta, one nickname leading to one action leading to
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  Speaker 1: one event. I mean, and the whole pantheon of NFL nicknames.
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  Speaker 1: What better way to start the show, right, It's totally appropriate.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll say this, Sometimes names evolve over time, and
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  Speaker 1: for Marshawn Lynch, his actually did because think about it
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  Speaker 1: this way, like when he was playing Pop Warner football,
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  Speaker 1: man child is what he was called, and then as
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  Speaker 1: he grew up, it's sort of evolved into beasts and
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  Speaker 1: then it clearly stuck. I once again just wish I
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  Speaker 1: had it. But when you think about some of these nicknames,
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  Speaker 1: there are so many a deity that are just so
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  Speaker 1: darn creative, and you just wonder, like, where the hell
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  Speaker 1: did that come from? So I think on today's show
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  Speaker 1: like we should go through some of our favorites and
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  Speaker 1: explain as much as we can some of the origins
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  Speaker 1: of some of those nicknames for sure, because just like
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  Speaker 1: when we did this over team names, some of them
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  Speaker 1: are extremely obvious. Like you said, I mean, take Iron
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  Speaker 1: Mike Ditka. He grew up in western Pennsylvania, in the
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  Speaker 1: steel towns of Western Pennsylvania. Obviously he was Iron Mike,
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  Speaker 1: but Sweetness. We're going to get to sweetness and Walter Peyton.
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  Speaker 1: That one's a little bit less obvious. Let's say, yeah, No,
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  Speaker 1: there's other obvious ones, right like Javon Curse the freak.
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  Speaker 1: Just watch him on the football field. Yeah, that one
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  Speaker 1: is finning Dante Hall the human joystick once again, one
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  Speaker 1: that just applies. But there's been something that's been bugging.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, do you have a nickname because you dropped mine? Well, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I had a family friendly one and one
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  Speaker 1: that I don't particularly feel like sharing. But I will
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  Speaker 1: say that when I was a child, I was called
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  Speaker 1: Adidas fairly regularly. Oh I like that, add Adidas. Can
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  Speaker 1: I start calling you Adidas? You're more than welcome to
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  Speaker 1: do that. I've also been called a deed. I've been
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  Speaker 1: called Deats. Okay, I got a little surprised for you
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the show with regard to your nicknames.
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  Speaker 1: I hope it's a shoe deal that seems to be
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  Speaker 1: a running commentary through our episodes here. Let's just say,
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  Speaker 1: Justin Tucker is getting his shoe deal before you and
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  Speaker 1: I are getting our shoe deal. Okay, that was a disappointment,
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  Speaker 1: But what won't be a disappointment, I promise is this episode. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've been so so excited for this one
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  Speaker 1: because there are people with nicknames, there are units with nicknames,
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  Speaker 1: there are whole teams with nicknames. And again, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: running through some of our favorites, the history the story
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  Speaker 1: behind some my favorite thing to do, especially when I
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  Speaker 1: get to do it with you. Well, look, let's just
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  Speaker 1: roll into it, because there was an email chain that
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  Speaker 1: was going and this might be a little too inside baseball,
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  Speaker 1: but I do think it speaks to what you're referring
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  Speaker 1: to on players, teams, units that had nicknames, and we
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  Speaker 1: had to claim five piece. Let's just say that there
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  Speaker 1: was a little bit of real estate grabbing. I think
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  Speaker 1: I might have saw the email in the text message
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  Speaker 1: before you did, so I'm like, oh damn, I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: on this real fast because I don't want Adidas over
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  Speaker 1: here to try to take some of my nicknames and
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  Speaker 1: some of the players. So I'll kick things off here
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  Speaker 1: because for me, one of the ones that really stood
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  Speaker 1: out I just remember, and not to get into the
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  Speaker 1: whole fantasy thing, but Chad Johnson, how about Ocho Sinko.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Sinko is going to kick the extra point and
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  Speaker 1: you know what I heard, he kicks pretty well. At
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  Speaker 1: least that's the word. Kevin Hubert, the normal holder. We'll
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  Speaker 1: put it down high snap. Look at that he drills it.
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  Speaker 1: O Joe Sinko point. I heard somebody was telling me
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  Speaker 1: that he was kicking one day of practice and they
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  Speaker 1: said he was kicking up believable. He'll be hard to
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  Speaker 1: live with. Like you think about Ocho Sinko, how different
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  Speaker 1: it is and the buzz, and I think there's so
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  Speaker 1: much that it was made around that time. It's sort
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  Speaker 1: of like a joke and being funny. But when you
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  Speaker 1: legally change your name like Chad Johnson did to Ocho
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  Speaker 1: Sinko on the back of his jersey because he was
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  Speaker 1: fined by the NFL when he did that, when you
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  Speaker 1: legally change your name like he did in two thousand eight,
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  Speaker 1: it no longer becomes a joke. Now it is really serious.
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  Speaker 1: And just in case you're wondering, he did return his
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  Speaker 1: last name back in so we can just go with
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  Speaker 1: Chad Johnson. But the lore and the legacy surrounding Ocho Sinko,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't go away. Legal name or not. Fine, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to disagree with you right here. You think
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  Speaker 1: that that was a major grab. I think there are
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  Speaker 1: actually two Bengals players that had better nicknames than Ocho
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  Speaker 1: Sinko given to me. Well, one of them absolutely has
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  Speaker 1: to be Albert Woods, better known as Ikey. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and when we talk about variations and offshoots, the Ikey shuffle.
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  Speaker 1: And do you know how Ikey Woods actually got his name? No,
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  Speaker 1: please explain. His brother couldn't say Albert. He just kept
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  Speaker 1: thing e e e e and that eventually turned into Ikey.
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  Speaker 1: And here, very quickly is my second former Cincinnati Bengals
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  Speaker 1: player with a very very very good nickname, Andy Dalton,
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  Speaker 1: the Red Rifle. Oh I didn't even think of that one.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good one, of course. No, well, due by you,
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  Speaker 1: I have to tell you. Andy Dalton was not happy
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  Speaker 1: when J. J. Watch said, well, we wanted to turn
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  Speaker 1: the red Rifle into a Red Rider bb gun. So
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  Speaker 1: sometimes your nickname can be taken from you and bastardized.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, let's move on. You give me your next one,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll do my best to knock it down because
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  Speaker 1: that's what I like doing. It's hard for me to
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  Speaker 1: go to the next one. Because now I just have
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  Speaker 1: like a Christmas story in my head and a leg
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  Speaker 1: lamp just pictured in my brain right now. And maybe
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  Speaker 1: there's a younger audience that has no idea what I'm
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  Speaker 1: referring to. Google it, trust me and watching around Christmas time,
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  Speaker 1: please because it's like a holiday tradition. Prime Time, how
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  Speaker 1: about Dion Sanders, but his parents such a kick the sideline?
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  Speaker 1: Dion Sanders Sanders is dashing, You're looking backwards from about
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  Speaker 1: the forty yard line. Is he gonna do a number
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  Speaker 1: on the crown here? Prime Time Sanders shows how I
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  Speaker 1: gots nos all the way for a touchdown. I think
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  Speaker 1: about what he did on both sides of the football,
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  Speaker 1: the flare, the dramatics, you know. I know ESPN did
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  Speaker 1: that thirty for thirty with him as sort of the
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  Speaker 1: focal point. I think it was a thirty for thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's one of those characters that if he's on
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  Speaker 1: my phone, if he's on the television, I gravitate. I
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  Speaker 1: stop what I'm doing because it's Prime. And when it's
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  Speaker 1: Dion Sanders referring to himself as Prime, I always get
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  Speaker 1: a kick out of. It's like when Ricky Henderson was
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  Speaker 1: referring to himself in the third person. Dion does sort
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  Speaker 1: of the same thing with prime Time. It is a
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  Speaker 1: completely appropriate name, but it has nothing to do with football,
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  Speaker 1: but it also speaks to what he was as an athlete.
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  Speaker 1: I think you can make an argument Dion Sanders Boat
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  Speaker 1: Jackson might be too, were the greatest athletes that sports
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  Speaker 1: has ever seen to play at the pro level in
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  Speaker 1: two sports like Dion Sanders MBO. Jackson did really amazing
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  Speaker 1: baseball and football, and yet the name prime Time originates
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  Speaker 1: because of what he did on a basketball floor. High
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  Speaker 1: school friend name Richard Fain actually gave him the nickname
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  Speaker 1: after he put up thirty points in a basketball game.
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  Speaker 1: I would have thought it was a higher point total
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  Speaker 1: a d D than thirty, like more like fifty plus.
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  Speaker 1: But he must have had some spectacular moves. And now,
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  Speaker 1: of course he's doing his thing as the head coach
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  Speaker 1: at Jackson State. You know what's funny about that one.
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  Speaker 1: I remember him also being Neon Dion when he played
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  Speaker 1: for the Yankees, so he had another nickname. But here's
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  Speaker 1: another thing that I'll give Deon Sanders credit for, and
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  Speaker 1: that is bestowing a nickname. He is the man who
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  Speaker 1: came up with any time for the fabulous return man
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  Speaker 1: Devin Hester, and that is because whenever Devin Hester had
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  Speaker 1: the ball, any time he can score. Props for that one.
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  Speaker 1: That's definitely a good one. I actually thought you would
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  Speaker 1: gravitate towards Slash because I think of you obviously covering
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  Speaker 1: the Steelers a lot living in Pittsburgh, and I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if Cordell Steward is one of the people
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  Speaker 1: that Ady is going to try to grab. I think
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  Speaker 1: about him and what he was able to do in
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  Speaker 1: Boulder at see you, and how athletic he was. But
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  Speaker 1: the name, and this is what surprised me. I thought
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  Speaker 1: he was still Slash when he was in college. That
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  Speaker 1: apparently was not the case. Steelers commentator Myron Cope, a
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  Speaker 1: legendary voice around Steelers Nation, actually gave Cordell the nickname
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  Speaker 1: because of his ability to play different positions, whether it's quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: running back, and wide receiver. But to me, if you
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  Speaker 1: saw him on the football field, you understand why he
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  Speaker 1: was given that nickname. Slash kind of like any time, right,
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  Speaker 1: like it's appropriate, the physical response that you get and
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  Speaker 1: if you have to put it to a word, Cordell
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  Speaker 1: Stewart's style of play, Slash. It all makes sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I think I remember seeing
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  Speaker 1: somewhere that Bill Kawer coach Bill Kawer to take credit
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  Speaker 1: for calling him Slash. But Slash is certainly a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more entertaining than one of his successors, of course,
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  Speaker 1: and that is big Ben, Big Ben Roethlisberger, because I
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  Speaker 1: mean he is big. Yeah. See whenever they tiny and
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  Speaker 1: big for the nicknames, like when it's the reverse, like
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  Speaker 1: when it's a big dude who gets the nickname tiny
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  Speaker 1: or a big guy like my nieces and nephews will
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  Speaker 1: call me Big Mike, and I love it because they're
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  Speaker 1: too young to know that I'm really not Big Mike,
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  Speaker 1: but I will. I'll take it for as long as
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  Speaker 1: I can. Sure. It's like two tall drones. Is not
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  Speaker 1: a little guy. He obviously was too tall. So there
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  Speaker 1: you go. Big Ben, Well, he's obviously one of the
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  Speaker 1: biggest things on the field, like Big Ben in London,
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  Speaker 1: which I don't think really actually had anything to do
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  Speaker 1: with it, but I did cover him in a game
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  Speaker 1: in London where he stood next to Big Ben, and
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  Speaker 1: it made for you know, quite an iconic photograph. I
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  Speaker 1: gotta go through my mental rolodex on things. And you're
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  Speaker 1: timing in terms of your career because you covered the
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  Speaker 1: Giants for a significant period of time. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: and on the years, but just being in that area,
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  Speaker 1: you probably made reference to Rivas Islands more than a
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  Speaker 1: few times in a Gang Green. Speaking of nicknames, uniform,
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  Speaker 1: Darrell Rivas because I felt like I referenced Rivas Island
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  Speaker 1: more times than not. When I was actually working at
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  Speaker 1: ESPN at the time and we were doing highlights around
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. Darrell Rivas was a spectacular a cover corner
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  Speaker 1: as you have seen in the NFL. And once again
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  Speaker 1: that nickname very appropriate to what he was able to
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  Speaker 1: do to wide receivers. So Darrell Rivas is also a
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  Speaker 1: native of Western p a very good guy. When the
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  Speaker 1: Jets were going through their bad phase, which you know
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  Speaker 1: has happened on occasion, or when they were going through
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  Speaker 1: one of their bad phases, I always thought that Gang
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  Speaker 1: Green reminded me of Gang Green G A N G
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  Speaker 1: R E N E, which is what like dead tissue,
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  Speaker 1: and so I felt like gang space Green should maybe
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  Speaker 1: not be used because it makes you think of gang,
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  Speaker 1: but that's just me also appropriate at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: and Jets fans right now, don't hate me. You you
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  Speaker 1: understand where I'm going with this. Um My last favorite,
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  Speaker 1: because we had to pick five, was a guy that
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  Speaker 1: I've been fortunate enough to become friends with over the years,
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  Speaker 1: and I refer to him as Snake a lot, Jake Plumber,
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  Speaker 1: and I reached out to him knowing that we were
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  Speaker 1: going to do the show, and we were talking and
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  Speaker 1: I said, Hey, like Jacob doing this podcast, NFL explained,
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  Speaker 1: and we're doing nicknames. You're stood out to me because
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  Speaker 1: I call you Snake all the time. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's something to do with the way that
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  Speaker 1: you played, right because you were kind of you had
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of wiggle And he laughed and he said, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually not how it came about, and he said
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  Speaker 1: it is true, though he did tell me he's like,
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  Speaker 1: no, no no, I definitely had wiggles, so I know where
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  Speaker 1: you're where it's coming from. But he used my term
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  Speaker 1: to explain the story. He said, the wiggle and the
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  Speaker 1: nickname actually came from when he was a kid. He
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  Speaker 1: was playing a lot of um dodge ball, apparently with
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  Speaker 1: his brothers, and his brothers gave him the nickname after
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  Speaker 1: Jake read Kenny stay Bler's book called the Snake the
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  Speaker 1: other nickname for the other quarterback. And then when he
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  Speaker 1: got to a s U he signed his first autograph
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  Speaker 1: as Jake the Snake Plumber and it's stuck from there.
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  Speaker 1: So appropriate, not only for the way that he played,
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  Speaker 1: but it had nothing to do with that. It was
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  Speaker 1: his big brothers just giving him the nickname. We have
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  Speaker 1: seen quite a few of these stories right where it's
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  Speaker 1: brothers or grandmothers or siblings of sisters, you know, parents.
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  Speaker 1: I was just reading about ha ha Clinton Dix. That's
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  Speaker 1: not actually his name. His name is has seen, but
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  Speaker 1: his grandmother when he was three years old, because he
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  Speaker 1: would giggle all the time, called him ha ha instead.
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  Speaker 1: And now his teammates just call him ha ha. Just
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  Speaker 1: throwing that out there. You know, it is kind of
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  Speaker 1: weird how teammates can sometimes come up. I hope that
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  Speaker 1: didn't come about because of the you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: some players say, hey, you can't pronounce my name, you
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  Speaker 1: can call me this. That actually happened one time Tina
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  Speaker 1: by Woozier, who obviously has now been balling out with Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: I remember meeting him for the first time and I said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to mispronounce your name. He's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: just call me Cheeto. And I was like, no, no no, no,
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  Speaker 1: tell me how to pronounce it, and he taught me,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously now I can say it. But everyone referenced
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  Speaker 1: him as Cheeto because of the struggles of pronouncing his name,
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  Speaker 1: and yet here it is. He still has the ability
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  Speaker 1: to have a cool nickname. But also people know how
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  Speaker 1: to say his name because he's obviously having success now
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  Speaker 1: on Sundays. Well, frankly, that's where I think Adidas comes from.
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  Speaker 1: It's a D D sounds like Adidas without the US. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: get it. So it's a common yeah. All right, Just
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  Speaker 1: so you know, I'm not limiting myself to five okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So you're a little rule breaker over here, Adidas.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, one of us needs to be right.
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  Speaker 1: I think that since you mentioned being in western Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: one of the names that I have to start with
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  Speaker 1: is Craig iron Hood Hayward. Now part of that is
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  Speaker 1: because of course I cover his son, cam Hayward, who
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  Speaker 1: is a star defensive end and captain for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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  Speaker 1: Just a wonderful gentleman. And he, of course is the
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  Speaker 1: son of the former pit star Craig Hayward, who was
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  Speaker 1: probably maybe twelve or thirteen years old. He was hanging
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  Speaker 1: out at a boys and girls club in New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: and of course you and I are both from New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: so there's another connection. And some of the other kids started,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, creating a little trouble, and something led
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  Speaker 1: to something else led to something else, and a kid,
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  Speaker 1: as a legend goes apparently hit Craig Hayward over the
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  Speaker 1: head with a pool queue. Now it was the cue
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  Speaker 1: that broke, not Kim Hayward's dad's head. So after Kim
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  Speaker 1: Hayward's dad's head, Craig Hayward's head was totally fine. His
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  Speaker 1: mother started calling him Ironhead, and it just sort of stuck.
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  Speaker 1: And then you think about the type of player he was,
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  Speaker 1: the way that he ran the football, how he ran
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  Speaker 1: over people, his toughness, well, it was again kind of
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  Speaker 1: like Yammer, a name that really fit. Once he got
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  Speaker 1: Parcels became known as the Tuna. I love that story,
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  Speaker 1: I will think about Bill Parcels. Okay, if that will
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• 20:11
  Speaker 1: So we have to move on to the refrigerator, because
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the fridge has been a star in several of our episodes.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: We've had his right like him running the football in London. Now,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: of course, his day job was as an enormous defensive
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: lineman who just occasionally moonlighted as a ball carrier. And
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the fridge is not because he was so enormous clogging
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  Speaker 1: up the lanes on a football field, but because when
• 20:37
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  Speaker 1: elevator and a friend said that you're blocking all of
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  Speaker 1: the elevator's light and you're taking up all the space.
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  Speaker 1: You're like a walking refrigerator. And so then that stuck.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: But as I said to you earlier. Some of my
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: favorite things are derivatives. When the Packers later on had b. J. Rogie,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: another enormously big defensive lineman who occasionally moonlighted carrying the football,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: based calling him the freezer, isn't it clever? I do
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: like that. It's very fitting. Although I think you can
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: go like solar eclipse, but the refrigerator seems very appropriate.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Here's another one, Western p A and other Steelers one.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I have two more Steelers ones just because
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I sort of have to have them. I just think
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: they're that good. Jerome Bettis the bus. Back when he
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: was at Notre Dame, a student reporter said that he
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: actually looked like a bus. The student started chanting, nobody
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: stops the bus. The bus carried on through his entire
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: professional career. And when Jerome Bettis won the Super Bowl
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: in his hometown of Detroit, he stood on that podium
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: and what did he say? Is this the lot of
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: stop for the bus? You know what? In rod And
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: it's always a more time when you have to call
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the quits. And uh, I played this game to win
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a championship. I'm a champion, and I think that this
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: is in Detroit Mr Bregulars, Mike, I have to do
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: another Steelers one, and that, of course is James Harrison's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: nickname Deebot. Now I think this is really funny because
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: when I say Deebo, you don't think of James Harrison.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Who do you think of? Look? I get some time
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: fortunately to be around the San Francisco forty Niners. So no,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about Harrison. Um thinking about receip streaking
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: down the football field and finding his way into the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: end zone. And that's hysterical to me because, as you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Deebo was that freakishly strong, bullying, frightening character on Friday,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the movie that came out back in So the Steelers
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: nicknaming their teammate defensive players looking at James Harrison that menacing,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: freakishly strong bullying of a person and nicknaming him Debot
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: makes total sense to me. You're talking about a wide receiver. Yeah,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: But the history behind the wide receiver's nickname. His dad
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: said that Depot was Tyshawn was actually bullying kids in
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood. So his dad gave him the nickname Debo
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: from the movie Friday, which apparently Debot was seen about
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: quote a thousand times, so it's fitting from the kind
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: of that perspective. Well, unfortunately for him, there is a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Debot clothing line, and that is James Harrison's. You know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: this all goes back to the whole thing about what
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: we talked about when we did one of our first
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: episodes on team names, and I told you I don't
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: like shared names, you know, like when you have a
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: football team and a baseball team that have the same name.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: You did say that, Yeah, so I don't really love
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: shared nicknames. Well, it's kind of like Iron Mike, right,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like when you say Ditka. For sure, there's also Mike Tyson.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: That is true. But who's one into that fight? Well
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: at this stage right now, although you don't even know
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: about that. Uh, let's move on Megatron, who has just
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: entered the Hall of Fame. I mean it's obvious because
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of course Calvin Johnson had these superhuman abilities and seemed
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: like the fictional Robot character. He was given that nickname
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: by his fellow receiver Roy Williams. But I think what's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: so magical about Megatron is all of the offshoots Mike
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: like Legatron. So Greg's urline was this undrafted rookie out
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of Division two Missouri Western State and just started kicking
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the you know what out of the ball. And just
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a few games in he was called Legatron. So Megatron Legatron.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: And now there is a Maple Tron and that is
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a young wide receiver who currently is playing in Pittsburgh.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: His name is Chase Claypool. He is originally from British Columbia.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So when he went to Notre Dame, it's these Notre
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Dame kids. Here's the Jerome bettist tie again Notre Dame,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: he was called the Maple Bandit. Then he went to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the Combine and he had these insane measurables that reminded
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: people of Calvin Johnson. Most notably, he ran a sub
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: four four five forty while weighing more than two hundred
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and thirty pounds, which hadn't been done since Megatron did it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And so then all of a sudden, the Maple Bandit
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: became Maple Tron. And I can tell you this, Chase
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Claypool actually really likes the nickname. He calls himself Maple Tron.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And now he has a clothing line that says Maple Tron.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: So the other thing I need, can we make it
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: while there is Addis clothing line, so we just need
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the Amber clothing line. You can claim Adidas is yours
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and I'll come up with the Yammer one. At some point,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: everyone's got a clothing line now all of a sudden, Yeah,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that work. I would just
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: like someone to send me stuff. I'll do that, and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I'm an equal opportunity distributor of great clothing. So everybody,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: anybody listening, feel free. Okay, I like it moving right along.
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  Speaker 1: know what else besides offshoots, I find really interesting the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: ones that are sort of in dispute. You know, I
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: referenced Walter Payton in Sweetness earlier, and there are so
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: many people that think sweetness comes from the fact that
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: he had this just like wonderful, sunny personality. But Jeff Perlman,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: who I worked with many years ago It's Sports Illustrated,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: did the definitive book on Walter Payton, and he found
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: out that sweetness actually came from Walter Payton talking trash
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to a defensive lineman. He basically said to the guy,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: your sweetness is your weakness, and after that he was
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: called sweetness. I like that. Here's another one, Dick Knight
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Train Lane. People love to tell the story that he
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: was nicknamed night train Lane because in training camp he
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: would go and listen to that song and dance to it, etcetera, etcetera.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: But I have also seen that the reason that he
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: had that nickname is because he didn't like to fly
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: and he would take the train. That's actually really appropriate.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Then it happens on the football field, I'll take that.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of wild too, because for all
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the individual names Adidas that we get to, how about
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: all of the actual units like the teams or you know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like the DBS or a defense or you know, a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: specific portion of the offense. Like those units that actually
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: have their own nicknames. I'm always fascinated by a couple
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of those, especially because there are some that, i mean
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: just are so obvious, like the Purple people Eaters. I mean,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: just look at those guys. It's two Hall of famers
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and Alan Page and Carl Eller, and then you also
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: have defensive and Jim Marshall and tackle Gary Larson. You
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: look at those four starting defensive lineman. They played so
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: many years together, they were in the Super Bowl four
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: years together. I mean they look like people eaters and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: they were purple, very very obvious, the Minnesota Vikings, the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Purple people Eaters. And on the flip side of that,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: you think about that no name defense, which has come
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: up a whole lot the last couple of years because
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: of individual success. That certain teams have had ninety two
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that Dolphins defense. The name actually caught on when Dallas
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: coach Tom Landry actually mentioned that Miami has a good
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: defense but features some months of guys whose names you
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: don't know, and then don't name defense. It's stuck because
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of that. And it's certainly a team that had a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: ton of success, undefeated super Bowl winning team. That defense
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: allowed the fewest points and fewer shards in the NFL
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that particular year of seventy two. So very very appropriate. Well,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and talk about bulletin board material right there. Right, I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: don't even know who these guys are. They're a bunch
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: of no names and boom, what this is what they do.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: If we're gonna stick with defensive lines, though, we have
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to include the New York sack exchange. Right. That was
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the Jets defensive line from ninety nine to nine three.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And it was actually the team's PR director who used
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it in a press release after seeing a fan hold
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: up a big bed sheet with the name written on it,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and I wonder who that fan was. That fans should
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: really get the credit for that. A lot of these
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: names are fans sourced. I will say that you know
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: one that wasn't fan sourced dirty Birds or Jamala Anderson
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: actually came up with it. He loves using I got
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to work with him for the first season, a ton
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: of fun. But he it's like a badge of honor
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: because he does reference it a lot. Those Falcons teams,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: remember they were fourteen and two got to the Super Bowl, Well,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: it was Jamala Anderson who created the dirty bird dance um.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: And then that's sort of how the nickname stock Well.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: And the flip side to that is the Bungles, the poor,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: poor poor Bungles who didn't have a winning season between
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: nineteen and two thousand four. And then of course the Ets,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: which was actually the Saints in nineteen eighty when they
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: lost their first fourteen games, and it was a local sportscaster,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Mike that started suggesting that maybe Saints supporters their fans
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: were paper bags over their heads, and a lot of
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: those paper bags said ats as opposed to Saints. Okay,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: can we go flip side again from lack of success
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: to a ton of success. Greatest show on Turf. We
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: had Kurt Warner on one of our previous episodes, the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: work Week one for NFL players, and it was awesome
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: to have him. If you missed that episode, highly encourage
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you to go back and listen to it. But consider this,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: You got a Hall of Fame quarterback and Kurt Warner
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame running back in Marshall Falk. You got
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame one receiver Isaac Bruce. You got
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a seven time pro bowler Tory Holt. An offense that
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: was just an absolute jargonnaut espns. Chris Berman actually called
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the Rams the greatest show on Earth in two thousand
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and then Earth was eventually switched to turf because they
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: were playing on the AstroTurf in St. Louis. So to me,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: that is one of the more iconic ones. I think
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: when it comes to team names. Greatest show on Turf,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I think is is really well known and everyone references it,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and maybe partially because of recency bias and Kurt obviously
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: still having a great broadcast careers, that continues to pop up. Maybe,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: But I still feel like I really like defensive nicknames
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: like the Legion of Boom, which was of course the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Seahawks secondary and the late you know, two thousand teams,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: whatever you call that decade that was of course Richard Sherman,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Earl Thomas, cam Chancellor, Brendan Browner, And it was cam
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Chancellor who came up with the name when he said
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: that he liked to bring the boom. Then when you
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: think of the legion of Boom, you also have to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: think of the no fly zone, and that I believe
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: is Chris Harris's idea when he was with Denver. And
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: then go back, we were talking about defensive lines at
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the top, I feel terrible. How could I not mention
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the steel curtain that was the nineteen seventies Steelers defensive
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: line led by a man who has one of the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: best nicknames of all time, Mean Joe Green, not because
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: he was mean, by the way, but because of where
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: he played his college football. You know the answer there,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Well that was North Texas. The North Texas Mean Green. Yeah,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: like I should so me and Joe Green. But sure
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the way he played the game was mean. But the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: steel Curtain that Steelers defensive line helped the Steelers to
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: four Super Bowl wins in the nineteen seventies. And that
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: nickname actually originated in a radio contest. But you know, Mike,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: we could just keep on going now. This Each one
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: makes me think of something else. We're talking about a defense,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and then that makes me think of the Minister of Defense.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, Reggie White, one of the all time greatest
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: defensive players who also had an extremely strong faith. And
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: when you listen to him, he sure is hex sounded
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: like a minister. And we could keep going. We could
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: totally keep going. But now I'm thinking about places, Mike,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: the black Hole, the Dog Pound, the frozen Tundra, give
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: me your favorite. Well, look, just because I've lived in
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the Bay Area. Now, obviously the team is in Vegas,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: but I will say when I moved out to San
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Francisco in you could feel on Sundays, like even in
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: San Francisco sort of what the black Hole has brought
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: to the table and indity. You've traveled a ton for
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: NFL games, the games that I have traveled too, and
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: there's been a few where the Raiders have been involved.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I cannot get over how well that fan base travels
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: for games, and just the intimidation factor that's there, Like
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: there's something unique about just large human beings that are intimidating,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: face painting themselves and being there ready to sort of
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: be disruptive. Um to me, black Hole is definitely at
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the top of the list. Well, we could keep going,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: but I think this is a great place to ask
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: our listeners to send us some of these suggestions. And
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: while we may not be able to get anybody a
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: shoe deal, maybe yammer, we can start a movement for
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: some nicknames. I know that I did ask some of
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: my Twitter followers to send me some players that they'd
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: like to see have nicknames. George Kittle was a name
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that came up the fair amount. Uh T J. Watt
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: was one who some people are saying deserves one of
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: these legendary, transcendent nicknames. I'm sure you've got some guys
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: that surprises you they don't have nicknames as well. Yeah, No,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: there's definitely a few players that I also think deserve
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a little bit more recognition when it comes to just
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: sort of standardizing. And I know we touched on some
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: of those names, but I also think sometimes memories pop
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: up with certain nicknames. I think very fondly of my
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: time back in college. But one nickname that we did
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: not get to that to me just reminds me of
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: my college days. And I didn't even go to Boston
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: College and Matt Ryan did, but Mattie Ice. I think
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of people reference it because of his cool,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: calm demeanor in these under pressure type moments, but when
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: he was at BC, it was also a little bit
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: of a play on a popular beer, Nattie Ice, which
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  Speaker 1: does bring me back to my own college days. So
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  Speaker 1: I did want to just highlight that sometimes us nicknames
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  Speaker 1: have more meaning, I think on a personal level, because
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  Speaker 1: they conjure ups just some really positive memories. Two things
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  Speaker 1: for that. Number one, I did not drink Natty Ice,
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  Speaker 1: and number two, I was not an underage drinker. Just
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  Speaker 1: in case my mom and dad are listening right now, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this has been a tremendously fun one. For sure. We
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  Speaker 1: left many, many, many nicknames on the cutting room floor.
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  Speaker 1: So if you want the story behind a favorite nickname,
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  Speaker 1: definitely send us some ideas for some players today who
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  Speaker 1: don't have nicknames, who absolutely deserves some, and indeed, let's
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  Speaker 1: conversation and if you have some more of those nicknames.
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  Speaker 1: that was a ton of fun. Can't wait till next week,
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