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Private Ryan: Building Carnival, Shaping Soca & the Art of the Mix | The Corie Sheppard Podcast · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:01
  Corie: Welcome to the Cory Shepherd Podcast.
• 0:03
  Corie: My name is Cory Shepherd.
• 0:04
  Corie: Welcome back to everybody who's been listening.
• 0:06
  Corie: Thank you for all the new people who are tuning in.
• 0:08
  Corie: We have today the number one podcast.
• 0:10
  Corie: Now let me talk real thing now, right, David?
• 0:12
  Corie: Because every time it's another time, I used to check podcast charts to see how we perform in Entrendra and Tobago.
• 0:17
  Corie: There's nobody, there's nobody anywhere close to Private Ryan in terms of podcasts.
• 0:23
  Corie: What going on, brother?
• 0:24
  Corie: Everything good?
• 0:25
  Corie: I'm good.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Good to be here.
• 0:26
  Corie: It's good to have you here.
• 0:27
  Corie: It's good to have you here.
• 0:28
  Corie: We could start with a random like Scarlet story.
• 0:30
  Corie: Are we getting into it?
• 0:31
  Corie: You could start with that?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: We could start with anything.
• 0:32
  Corie: Yeah, I'll keep that one off camera.
• 0:34
  Corie: You know what I mean?
• 0:35
  Corie: A random night in Scarlet's I hear private Ryan drop play.
• 0:38
  Corie: In Scarlet's in Hallendale.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:41
  Corie: I yell private Ryan drop.
• 0:43
  Corie: It's beautiful.
• 0:44
  Corie: So everything, brother.
• 0:44
  Corie: Good, good, good.
• 0:45
  Corie: How the season shaping up?
• 0:47
  Corie: 2026.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's a different season, I would say that.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of those that you know it could go anywhere.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, in terms of, I mean, there was a lot of uncertainty, or is a lot of uncertainty in the market still.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: So people still wondering if they should still subscribe to Carnival.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, people are saying that it wouldn't have a carnival.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: People say they wouldn't have a carnival.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: People don't know what the road match is.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: People don't know how to spend any money.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Some people do have money.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's a lot going on at the same time.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: We maneuver it.
• 1:14
  Corie: And a short season, too.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: Very short season.
• 1:16
  Corie: Yeah, you're wearing a lot of different hats in the in the carnival season, right?
• 1:19
  Corie: So maybe maybe we could start with the one with the music first.
• 1:22
  Corie: Music in terms of production.
• 1:23
  Corie: Okay.
• 1:23
  Corie: You have some songs out there.
• 1:24
  Corie: I was selling it before we start.
• 1:26
  Corie: I was looking at Mela performing in day one and um Los Centron Bago.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:30
  Corie: How how that comes about, boy, the vibe of it's so different.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, in the search of trying to keep the the soaker in a certain pocket.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: For me, I like to make these songs that keep it in a pocket where it lasts beyond carnival.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: I like the strippiness too, so I can make I make some of those in between as well.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: But um Lost Centron Bago, um, you know, much like feeling love and songs like that that I've done, you know, it was it was something, it was a call to patriotism.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was something I think was needed in the in the country.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it's actually a guy from St.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Martin that you know I met on Epic Cruise the year before.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we we started to talk, and then he he was actually the one who brought the project to me, right?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I said, This is this is a vibe.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: And um, he, you know, we did the demo, and then he said, you know, he Zebi, who's the um male artist on his song, he wrote the song and we tweaked it, and then you know, me love, you know, gave her input.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a collective effort on Los Centri and Bagos.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's a the ideal collaboration.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually funny enough, Caribbean spirit brought Los Centron Bago to life, I suppose.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: And um, Los Centrinbago is now taking on a life of its own, as people actually love and feel patriotic and feel you know the love of Trinidad and Tobago.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: People need to understand that, you know, it's two years for no for now.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: For no, we see Tobago said they don't want me to kind of go there.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: But we love both, so yeah.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that was one of the songs, and then um, you know, working with Mila again, bringing dancing in the streets together.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: So that was uh another nice soccer fusion, you know, bringing Marshall and Mila together.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: Mila wrote that.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: So we actually did that song in the pandemic, waiting in the car to go in a studio session.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: I played that beat for her, and then she just started to sing it, and then it's like, yo, let's complete it.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: And then I have to sit and log next to Marshall on a flight.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I played it for him.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I have to be on this.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, he literally was like, I have you have to give me the chance to be on this.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, dancing the street was born.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um Keshaw with with Symphony or with another cool collaborator.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Kishav from Just Now, nice groovy track.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Then I did my my Chutney so uh well.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I won Chutney Sukamona glass yeah with Pepper Vine, and then I said I wanted to do a Chutney Suka rhythm, so you know we brought we brought back out Hitman, right?
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, did M1 and Naval with Sunita, and then um we did Destran Ravi B.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, man, I uh what else did I release this season, boy?
• 3:54
  Corie: Yeah, imagine my surprise.
• 3:55
  Corie: Like I hear it, I didn't understand the um, I think maybe it was Casey Phillips who explains a little bit with putting the producer's tag or because I own Apple Music, and I see a song with Private Ryan.
• 4:07
  Corie: Maybe it was free tongue at the time, Tilly Love.
• 4:09
  Corie: I see free tongue and private rant.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I waited until he's singing.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: My voice is actually in some of the tracks, but like in in the beat itself.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: So like I would use my voice as a beatbox.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Timberland was one of my favorite, well, is one of my favorite producers of all time.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I look at Timberland and Pharrell and how they change sonics and how they make these iconic sounding things, and I just use my voice to do it.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, I can't forget the Lovely project.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I brought Nyland Marshall together for this time as well.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's their first, yeah.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: So like those are all things I've been, you know, working on, and plus all the back catalogue and things like that.
• 4:43
  Corie: Yeah, probably the catalogue billiger.
• 4:44
  Corie: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:45
  Corie: At this point, you have when it turned for you into producing because people don't know DJ Private, right?
• 4:52
  Corie: At what point do you want to start producing?
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Producing was was kind of like the the nucleus of it would have come maybe around 2015 when I did 2015 soccer starter.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: And what I started doing, which is what has become like the norm now, is I started using something called stems.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll take the parts of the song, so the drums, the sense, the whatever, that build the song together.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'll reconstruct it and make my own version that I would play and uniquely would be mine because I have the stems.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: Back then it wasn't as accessible to get the stems.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: You have to know the producer or know the people who were in the pans to get the stems.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I used to have those relationships.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, if one case or whatever, that was like, Can I get the stems for this?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Can I get the stems?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll make these results.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 5:32
  Corie: And men was giving it.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but and they trusted me because you're not gonna spread it all over the place.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, okay, I wouldn't give it up because the thing with producers is like, especially again back then, a producer and Casey could tell you this, he doesn't want to give out his kick because Casey would have spent hours engineering a kick to sound a certain way.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: And if I just give it out, it means you have my kick, and then you could make your things knock like how I make my things knock.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: And only will hear that, right?
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: So Audi Gates.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what happened.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: And and and um, so let you listen to Sukastarter 2015 where I did the intro with Fallen.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: I actually took out the ukulele to dun dun dun dun dun dun and I made that loud and I made people pay attention to the song in that way.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then now, if you look at how DJs play, that's exactly the how DJs play.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then the the DJ equipment now actually lets you do it on the fly.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just pull out the side.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just pull out, yeah, just take, just take out just any part?
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can do it the the so it's easier now, but um, that's what made the iconic sound.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so from doing that and understanding song structure, um tones, uh, you know, like hooks and all those things, then I then say, okay, I can put together my own thing.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I started playing around with with music, and I'm not musically trained, but I have an ear, so I know how to piece together things very well.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: And um, ironically, everything I've made, I've done on my iPad, and people don't realize that.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I I would go in the studio to polish, but my ideas, if you see me on a plane, I have my iPad and I'm literally programming drums and and using keys and doing all those things, and then going to studio and then polishing it and then releasing it.
• 7:07
  Corie: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
• 7:08
  Corie: So, I guess in in a sense, even doing the mixes was always production.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so like you know, you treat it like a production, you record it onto your laptop.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: I would be in my down room recording all those mixes, and so my era of making all those things was like like, yeah, record it onto the laptop, whatever, put it out into the world.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: And before podcasting became as big as it was, I was indirectly, I didn't even realize what I was really doing yet until I put it on a podcast inside.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: I said I need the bandwidth for people to yeah, yeah, they say it was a storage issue more than anything else.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like so it was a storage issue.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like at first you'd put it on Media Fire, and then you'll just let people download, but then you realize a lot of people trying to download, and it's like my friend's like, put it on a podcast inside.
• 7:47
  Corie: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I guess Media Fire too are the big clock on my phone.
• 7:51
  Corie: Even phones back then wasn't as um they weren't.
• 7:54
  Corie: Gotcha, yeah, exactly.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: But he needed the ability to stream, and you know, before online radio became a thing, like the go-to thing to listen to to learn the music, which was the purpose of it, private Ryan mixed.
• 8:05
  Corie: Yeah, no, I'm uh a bongster about coconut man, a random story.
• 8:08
  Corie: This is by Woodbrooky Al yesterday, and he said, Corey, how is this all this saying you're doing research for the thing and getting everything wrong?
• 8:15
  Corie: So let me see if I get this wrong too, right?
• 8:17
  Corie: Because I don't know if there was anything like that before you started doing it.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think the the the biggest thing that would would not like how I did it, but the in Trinidad, not anyway, but it but the biggest thing would have been Chinese laundry, that era.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: So Chinese laundry mixtape was a is a moment for the people who lived through that era.
• 8:37
  Corie: Yeah, there are a few, they had Chinese laundry, they had to do it.
• 8:41
  Corie: Well, I mean, something come after, but yeah, the mixtape era was a thing.
• 8:44
  Corie: How it's right, paper rocky.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so like you had that, right?
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then I have become or became the evolution of that.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, and now, you know, in the streaming world, well that well, because of that, now there's a lot of mixes that exist.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's the Travis, the Chell, you know, different people who do this, we outside.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Those are all evolutions of that mixtape because now they're doing visual mixed.
• 9:09
  Corie: Yeah, of course.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: So the visual mixtape era is now, which is where you'll get all of those.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how like Anna and everybody is doing their thing now.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's to figure out what's next.
• 9:18
  Corie: But you you consider yourself the first like a pioneer in that time because again, I just remember, I don't even know how I come across the mixy first.
• 9:26
  Corie: I just remember going in the gym and you need something to listen to.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: Gyms, bars, everything.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like it literally was inescapable, like it was everywhere.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: Even for me, I was like, okay, I mean, you all could play other things.
• 9:37
  Corie: Yeah, no, they can't.
• 9:38
  Corie: So, in your mind, when you started that, you're thinking about the free marketing that you're gonna get out of this?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it it was it wasn't just free.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Me, it was it was different things.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was not just the free marketing because I wanted to let the world know or understand a number of strategies.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I deliberately made mixes in different genres, and I also made sure that musically people were educated because how I started to think about it was when I went to college and I would myself would come back on Canva Friday and leave Ash Wednesday morning.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I would be on the flight land, do a midterm, play in the range cooler fet in those real this this is my life.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did a midterm, then went straight to to the party, played on stage, and you know, by Wednesday afternoon I'm in class in Florida.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh it was rough to say the least.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: But the the the thing, what I realized is that my friends was like, I don't know any of his songs, but I knew because I'd be researching, I'm on the board.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: I have it's like what if there's a way that I could teach people this music before they come to Trinidad?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's how the the names of the mixes started.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: So startup, you know, so brainwash, brainwash, to be the soaker of that, yeah.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Post-carnable relief, which is memories of the carnival.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: So they were branded.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: And transition from right, yeah.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, like literally, I gave three experiences in the mixes, well, for those brands, and then eventually turned them into live experience events.
• 11:02
  Corie: And you said that was something you intended to do from the beginning.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, always intended to turn the events, and so if you if you look at all events I do now, so baby, post-carn of relief, soaker brainwash, press play, nostalgia.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: If you go back in history, you'll see that all those brands existed through the mixtapes.
• 11:19
  Corie: I understand.
• 11:19
  Corie: And I asked that because the marketing question, really, because I mean Chinese launch and was selling cassettes, you know, they used to sell it.
• 11:26
  Corie: But since your mixes came out, it's just free on podcasting.
• 11:29
  Corie: So what and the nice thing about podcasting is uh especially when you when was the first one, 2015?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, I did, I didn't my I started doing the online mixtapes like in 2006.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: As early as that.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: If you go back, you'll see that that the new mix has existed since I started going to college.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: It it started to happen.
• 11:46
  Corie: Well, and that's long before this subscription year becomes such a big business model.
• 11:50
  Corie: Correct.
• 11:51
  Corie: Because once you subscribe, it's automatically pushed to you things.
• 11:53
  Corie: When I in the German amount and I say private rhyme.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Release, yeah.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course, of course.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: So Mike, the one that I use actually automatic, you know, well, tell you an Apple music, yeah, it's published.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is a new mix.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Songclaw does the same thing, it's like, oh, there's a new mix.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: And now YouTube gives you that, and then YouTube wasn't as big for anything yet.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: So YouTube came after, and now we're in the YouTube era because I think what's happened is that people who have establishments, especially or people who have kids or whatever, they like to see the visuals, so they like to see movement on the screen and it's engaging, yeah.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so that that's where the YouTube era has now become a big part of it as well.
• 12:29
  Corie: For sure.
• 12:29
  Corie: Like I see my wife now.
• 12:30
  Corie: Once we have people over, it's DJ Anna and Simo, or even DJ Cassidy or whatever music is the visuals that are.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the visuals become a thing because it's almost like you have a live DJ there.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of just having music, you have movement, and that's important.
• 12:43
  Corie: Makes sense, it makes sense.
• 12:44
  Corie: So that private Ryan, I think at that time, I mean, in my right, knowing your name from radio station days, you would say that that podcast would have been a breakthrough for you.
• 12:54
  Corie: And I'm asking because you say in your stats enough doing the mix to teach foreigners, like yourself.
• 12:59
  Corie: Well, I'm gonna say foreigners, but people who live in abroad and coming home for carnival or foreigners, the new music, but it started become a thing where we right here.
• 13:08
  Corie: I don't know what to listen to until I hear the start, or when I hear it, you have to piece it together.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, I don't think people understand is Trinidad or Carnivals in general, they release hundreds of songs.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're just following, you know, let's hear Julian's or something like that, you're good.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: You could get lost if you like it.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: What do I listen to?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: What are like 15 songs came out today telling me this is the best groovy for the season?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: This and everyone has the same thing.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: They want the Julian in the middle listen to the whole thing.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, and you have to listen to the whole song, and you don't know if you like it, but then imagine piecing it together cohesively, and then you understand how the songs are talking to each other.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's where the magic is in mixes, and that's where you know the job of the DJs and the podcasters and the people who really take pride and and do the research to really put together a good product, they become very important.
• 13:58
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 13:59
  Corie: It's one of those things like you put yourself down as a signature for when carnival really starts, you know.
• 14:05
  Corie: But just for the the average person, yeah, in their car, as I say, in the gym or wherever it is.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so when they hear it stringing together, it's like, oh no, I'm feeling a mood, I'm feeling carnival, I'm feeling these songs.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I didn't like this song before, I didn't know this song before.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they research it, that's how songs then pick up in popularity.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I like this cast, I like this garlin, I like this Marshall, I like short.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Who's this new artist?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Is that Mila?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Is that so?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's what happened.
• 14:28
  Corie: Yeah, like you know what I enjoy doing?
• 14:30
  Corie: Like, when you get on to Carnival weekend after carnival, I like to go back and listen to the soccer stars to hear how different ears as a layman, as a fan.
• 14:37
  Corie: I was like, oh, this is all right.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, this is the song that became that happened to me just the other day in the studio.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I was like so that's gone a little longer now.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, well, a lot more of the volume of music is now more.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I have a responsibility to put more of the songs in the in the first because especially in short season, by the time Brainwash comes out, it's right before carnival that might be too late.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: So so you know, as when he so he's he went back, he listened through, he's like, let's look at songs you could have left out.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then he even said, I don't see anything you could have left out.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:08
  Corie: I'd ask you how I know, because it's like hundreds of songs, and DJs are cigarette lex in the culture, no, right?
• 15:13
  Corie: So a lot of the the you see in the online company, you don't miss nothing online, right?
• 15:17
  Corie: So a lot of people say the DJs playing once at the hits is like it's like a hit parade, basically, and nobody expands it.
• 15:24
  Corie: But I feel like it's a difficult argument to make to you when you listen to Sukasata.
• 15:28
  Corie: Deliberate for you in terms of finding new music, finding new artists.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it takes it takes me a while.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like the process of doing it is is being aware, downloading it all, then going through it all, and then you have to make tough decisions.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's like even now with so many rhythms, um, sometimes you might have to cut songs off the rhythm.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: On startup, you might need to take the rest off to focus on one, and then on brainwash, you could expand on it.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you give everybody or you try to feed people for the first time they hear any songs of the season a three-hour mix, it is not gonna work.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to jumpstart the season in a certain way by condensing it, and then you could expand on it.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: And there'll be a lot on brainwash the mix is where I can play a lot more of the season.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And there are songs that I personally like that I didn't make starter, but it's just I I couldn't fit it all.
• 16:19
  Corie: So you have a committee hall is this?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's me in a room by myself.
• 16:23
  Corie: Shadow had a thing long time.
• 16:24
  Corie: He used to say this so content making and breaking stars.
• 16:28
  Corie: How often your phone is ringing after stars?
• 16:29
  Corie: So people is called to write up, yeah, yeah.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: If I was an artist, I would have called.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, they call me, they literally call is like and and I get emails and it's like for your consideration and blah blah blah.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I I do go through them, but it's just I I literally cannot put everything.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just can't.
• 16:47
  Corie: So how is respond to the calls after?
• 16:49
  Corie: Well, I listened.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be honest, and then if they ask, I'll be like, I I it couldn't fit, but uh I'll brainwasher, I could obviously do a lot more.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's unfortunate because there are a lot of artists.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: I I feel sorry too, because it's like it's a lot of resources to make a song.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: People people take for granted that money spends to make a song from paying a producer to mix and mastering, um, artwork, um, distribution fees, marketing, you know, like it's a lot.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: So, like you're putting your your livelihood on the line by having to spend, and you know, our industry is is not kind anyway, or not kind, but very different to other industries where the music has.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: I would people say it's a year.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: I say you have nine months or to ten months with your year shorter.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, you are think about it.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: So you make a hit song and you're in this carnival right now.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: By November, what's your next song?
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's not even December, you know, it's not even a full year.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: You have like nine to ten months with that one song to maximize.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: So you rat races is that they continue trying to make hits for this cycle to then you know be able to earn for a year because once you're out of the conversation, your earnings are gone for another year.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's brutal.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's brutal.
• 18:03
  Corie: I I sometimes I don't understand it.
• 18:05
  Corie: So let me use Philly Love as an example.
• 18:07
  Corie: They have some songs that I like it's forever music, it just works.
• 18:11
  Corie: And I never understood this thing where we have to hit this refresh every single year for every single kind of.
• 18:17
  Corie: I wonder what drives it.
• 18:18
  Corie: Is it the artist driving that or is it the fan?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's it's the festival itself.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's the only um industry that's driven by a festival that is fueled by new music every year.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: So what we what we make on your road is memories, and those memories are tied to certain songs every year.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: If you call if I say a song to you, Cheers for Life, if I call fog, if I call any defrontology, you'll tie a memory to that each other.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course, of course, of course.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, with you that makes you feel good.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: And what drives and it's like drugs, like carnival is actually a drug.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: What it is is that you continuously seeking the high again.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: I want those memories again, and so what happens is new music does that.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: So every year you tie yourself to that memory, to a song, to a person, to a place, and so that's why we want new music every year.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: We don't want to party this year, yeah.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: We partied last year, right?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm calling it so even our biggest artists, like if you look at Marshell, you look at Kessie, look, yeah, we did that last year.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: What do you have this year?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then they'll compare it to your last big hit, which is the next thing.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: So when you have a monstrous hit the year before, like yeah, it could be the blessing and the curse.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: They will measure by your last performance.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Funny enough, it's prophetic because that's what Uncle actually says, right?
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you're only as good as your last performance.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so if you're not hitting that mark, uh last year was better.
• 19:43
  Corie: Yeah, that's why hope he said, keep your day job.
• 19:45
  Corie: Yeah, it's a cool, you know.
• 19:46
  Corie: I was looking at Anika Berry as another example.
• 19:48
  Corie: Yeah, Nika is a nice destroy the 2025 kind of one.
• 19:52
  Corie: And she has a good song this year, but it does seem to be once people don't see it at the same level, yeah.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and then you'll have to work, you know.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: So you're seeing certain artists that have had big songs in in in years, and then the next year, people just even though the song was good or it's decent, they just didn't take it.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: A good example of that years ago, if people remember, is is full extreme.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: When full extreme was huge, it took over the whole of carnival, and then the next year is like it was so bad that they came around and said, Well, why aren't you all hiring us?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's like because you had full extreme last year.
• 20:21
  Corie: Yeah, where you're doing it.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Where's your next full extreme?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's hard.
• 20:24
  Corie: Of course, of course, of course.
• 20:26
  Corie: And then you have the additional, I want to say almost burden because you had to make some choices as to what wins this.
• 20:32
  Corie: But the private Ryan became a household name.
• 20:35
  Corie: Yeah, I was looking at uh Young Busby salute to him.
• 20:38
  Corie: That a great, great interview.
• 20:39
  Corie: And I had to ask about the drops.
• 20:41
  Corie: I know Slaughter would have been the one slaughter, did the drops, yeah.
• 20:44
  Corie: The most famous one would be the private Ryan drop, right?
• 20:46
  Corie: That was slaughter.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the the funny story behind that is there he did a lot more, you know.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: But the engineer at the time, I was trying to get them.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he said he accidentally deleted it or something.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: He was working on red at the time.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Something.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: We did a whole set, it was working, yeah.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: But the only thing he said, I have one of them.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: I said, send it to me.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: So in that drop, Slaughter did attention.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: I want to introduce him most versatile, private, and I split those up, attention, private riot.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: I see, and I made my iconic drop since so you deleted everything, give me that, and then I made my iconic um things, and so he also does the battalion drop too.
• 21:26
  Corie: Oh, nice battalion.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you listen, it's Slaughter.
• 21:29
  Corie: Of course, of course.
• 21:30
  Corie: And I heard about the whole the voice, because again, when you listen to the mix for the first time, it's like welcome to private voice.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's another thing I did.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I I also wanted some difference.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I said, I'm gonna take the most left thing that no one's gonna under no, they're gonna uh you know expect.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so I took a British voice, female, and then tied it to soca.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, where does that even mesh?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: But then it worked.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I made sure it like it pierced through.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: So like when you listen to the mixes, you're not listening to anyone else, but this.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Is clearly a private Ryan mix.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Even if you hear those in other mixes, no, you say that came from Private Ryan.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: You hear them in other mixes.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you'll hear it.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: You'll hear the female voice.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: You'll hear, you'll hear how people piece it together, you'll hear the sound effects, you'll hear like different elements of things that that are clearly from private Ryan mixes.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: But it's good, it's inspired people.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: So of course, and it's so funny.
• 22:21
  Corie: You you compare that parallel to laundry and them days, which I always could think of song system, you know, with those things because that actually part of that too.
• 22:28
  Corie: Yeah, detrimental days.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Detrimental days.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was part of the I was in 45 um shoplock.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: They like Hoppy and then borrow records from me.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: I never got them back, but they said we just need some.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, all right, come on, you know.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna say he didn't know, but they definitely I'm missing some reggae ghouls on some things, yeah.
• 22:51
  Corie: I'm missing some.
• 22:52
  Corie: Yeah, but that era, the mixes started look like Reggae Ghoul might be a good example.
• 22:56
  Corie: Those are uh or so goal at the time, those compilations, compilations, but we had gotten all the time we would listen to Stone Love and they have iconic things like that well, Stone Love, you just hear them things just over the years.
• 23:07
  Corie: Those are those are uh legendary iconic things.
• 23:10
  Corie: Um things in your mind when you're starting to roll out in terms of your own drops and your name.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, it could take cues from it because I came from uh uh an Iraq, you know, I have been DJing from a very young age and have a uh a legacy with a lot of the sound systems, all of them, you know, even how I got the name Private Ryan from Poppy saying I'm the number one recruit as a youth.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: He said, I'm just gonna bring he's you know you know, base that one day, I'm bringing the number one recruit, Private Ryan.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and it was inspired by Saving Private Ryan, where everyone's looking for this one guy, yeah, right?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's how it is.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so in being in such a competitive era, you have to stand out.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like you are up against everything the best of the best.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: And in the song system, you're down here when it was radioactive, jugglers, excaliber, maximal, um, associate degree, self-control, self-construction.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody was like, Mosaic, like, listen, you have to be good.
• 24:10
  Corie: Audio minutes, yeah.
• 24:11
  Corie: And you know, they used to do this thing with detrimental delegate zygon and really young songs, and I never like it at all.
• 24:16
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:17
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, always fine.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Class Detrimental wasn't it?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Zygon, you know, I went to school, those guys too.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Mohammed was in my class.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, now you're seeing how all of us have developed, but all of us come from the same class.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Taurus for months, Moomra was in my classmate.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's a St.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Mary's mental.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: He's a St.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Mary's man.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: He used to be beaten, he used to be selling cake and and be German and be singing original things, and that's why you see his creative and writing either plate.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: So Taurus movements, he's C Icy Man as well, too.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 24:46
  Corie: We need to do something about it.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: All of us is the creative is he creative?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: It makes sense.
• 24:53
  Corie: So you you you're saying that you have the events in mind at that point in time.
• 24:57
  Corie: How long did you did the mixes before you start saying, All right, I'm gonna put an event?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Since I did brainwash, it would have been seven years later.
• 25:04
  Corie: Seven years.
• 25:04
  Corie: You was looking for a tipping point, or you was looking for something specific to it?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: It was in my spirit, but it was one day.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: I I I and this is why I'm driven because this story is important.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: When I decided to do soccer brainwash, nobody thought it would be a good idea.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: They said Carnival Saturday is a dead day because it's kiddie's carnival.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: The women are looking to go and get their spray tans.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Who's gonna come out in the hot sun for any party before?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: So come on up because he's is the night before.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, is Bessie do a breakfast or just do a cool effect or something?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Nah, I really believe that this is gonna work Carnival Saturday.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then I spoke to my mom about it, and she said, You know what?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Go with what your spirit is saying, if you're gonna do it, do it.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I did it, and then the first year, Sucremen offer sold out, and then the legacy has continued.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Now to the point where everybody wants Carnival Saturday.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: So now you've seen the pop-up of all the events on Carnival Saturday that want the same thing.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: They all, yeah, we want, we want, we want.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I was building the festival for years, right?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: And and and now it's because people have seen, you know, what the potential is to build something that that can even exist with with with with with you know no restriction to just the carnival, but you could create an event or festival that people could really come and fly in for, and some actually fly in and fly out.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're gone on Monday, they say I have to get back to my desk, or they fly out on Sunday.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: There are people literally flying for brainwash and then fly back, and there are few events that can do that.
• 26:30
  Corie: Yeah, I appreciate your highlights on that because people now will forget that Carnival Saturday was a rest day.
• 26:36
  Corie: Yeah, Carnaval Saturday was not much.
• 26:38
  Corie: It might have a few boat rides, even that.
• 26:40
  Corie: Yeah, it used to be a thing where so well.
• 26:43
  Corie: Let me talk about the theme this year before I tell you my experience with brainwash.
• 26:46
  Corie: What was it theme this year?
• 26:47
  Corie: Because the theme is a big part of the seller, yeah.
• 26:49
  Corie: Yeah.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the rose, um, human connection.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, what I decided to do, this is the second time that Brainwash should be on Valentine's Day.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: The second year we did it, which was 2015, we did um the um the Festival of Love.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it was a it was a small event then.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and you know, we did the whole Valentine's Day thing, but I said I wanted to do something different that wasn't focused just on love.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's focused on connections.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Not everybody's in love, but um, but people do feel the love in different ways.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: So there's friendship, there's there's how do we connect?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's conversation, there's family, there's there's lust, there's sex, there's everything, right?
• 27:25
  Corie: It's growing in the truth.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, in right, I I actually contemplated giving out roses in a party.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: I did never be inside, not for you.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think this is the wrong way.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Never know.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Let me settle this now.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: It makes sense.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Make the cup into rose, make rose cups.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you never know.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: So, so you know, I I looked at human connection.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you know, especially in a time now where they know there's there's so much division in certain sexes.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to make something that brings everybody together and and brings a full soaker.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: How do we connect?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I told it, I'm telling the story through the power of five roses.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: So red, um, which is passion, yellow is just friendship, um, purple, which is royalty, blue is is rare, and pink is like, you know, flirtatious, right?
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so we we we design in this world that you know people would interact with, and then plus they'll have the multiple stages, which is you know, the main stage, Silicon Baby stage, which plays um music from the 80s, 90s, 2000s up to 2016.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then they have um the block party, which is at the end, you know, they'll have the truck with squat 101 and it'll take people out and stuff.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: So it's gonna be.
• 28:45
  Corie: Oh, there's a new thing?
• 28:46
  Corie: Yes, and it's three stages when you start the truck last year.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I see, I see, I see, I see.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't remember that part.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it might have been the wrong.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know it could be, it could well be.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, and then you know, we put pan and we do things.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I like to inject culture into it as well by also having those elements and always have the mocha jumbies and all these other things so that people come to it, they experience this this musical, cultural, food festival, drink festival, people experience.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's like everything happening at the same time, yeah.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that and that's what it is.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: So this year is gonna be the Valentine's Day celebrations.
• 29:22
  Corie: I like it, I like it.
• 29:23
  Corie: And when you started off, it was themed as well from year one.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so with the beginning, we didn't really go hard on the theme because of course it was the first experiment.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: The second year is when we started to kind of uh go in that direction.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: The third year is when it's still a defights.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: So, like when we did fun, which was year three, which was um Friends United in numbers, right?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: We started to do the adult pregrom.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we we started to introduce the the cookie cups and the sign the wall and and all the photo ops and those things started every year, so it's fun, then heaven was the next year, which was white.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right, that was my first experience.
• 29:53
  Corie: Right, so white No, I was there for fun, I matter of fact.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so fun.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so there was Heaven, which is the White Party, then uh the Wonderland, which was like an Alice in Wonderland theme.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: Wonderland would have been when you moved to Saints.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: That was last year we used Fatima Grounds.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: I see, right?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then after that, we did the 70s, which is one of my personal favorite.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: We did the big disco ball, and that's when we introduced the soaker baby stage, and then we did Treasures of the Orient, and then pandemic happened.
• 30:19
  Corie: Gotcha.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we had to stop.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Had to take a pause, yeah.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Time for everybody to think.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it took a pause like it pause us, so and then we came back with Happy Birthday, then Western, and then um we did Asian, yeah, yes, and then now we're doing uh the Valentine's.
• 30:36
  Corie: Yeah, roses.
• 30:37
  Corie: I like that roses thing, you know.
• 30:38
  Corie: I should tell you about some of my experience.
• 30:40
  Corie: I had some experiences where I say as I'm on this podcast, I say, but like Prior Dry and is Jesus might have been the rum, too.
• 30:45
  Corie: Might have to be the rum.
• 30:46
  Corie: I want to clear that up now, but uh documented I saying that then after.
• 30:50
  Corie: Let me tell you why, right?
• 30:51
  Corie: I want to say the white themed year, but my wife told my wrong about that.
• 30:55
  Corie: She said it was the year before.
• 30:56
  Corie: The other year on Fatima Grong's whale, they had some doves and things floating above the table.
• 31:02
  Corie: You know what I mean?
• 31:02
  Corie: Some I don't know if it's blow up thing or if you're with any doves, yeah.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was ever one.
• 31:07
  Corie: So yeah, then I was definitely drunk.
• 31:08
  Corie: So that was the white.
• 31:09
  Corie: Yeah.
• 31:10
  Corie: So here what happened to me in that fed, right?
• 31:12
  Corie: I my first experience would have been the year before.
• 31:15
  Corie: And my wife wanted to go.
• 31:16
  Corie: And same thing, Carnival Saturday, she's something which she had to do, she here and this and that, and she gave me a ticket.
• 31:21
  Corie: Those days, tickets were a lot easier to access.
• 31:23
  Corie: We'll get to that, right?
• 31:24
  Corie: So I just get two tickets from my partners and we went down.
• 31:28
  Corie: I don't know it's a theme.
• 31:29
  Corie: I know your name, but I don't know it's a theme.
• 31:31
  Corie: A matter of fact, I might even know it was you were behind it.
• 31:34
  Corie: I just know it's on Fatty Muggongs and I go in.
• 31:36
  Corie: When I reach, I was like, all right, well, everybody dress kind of like in a theme thing here.
• 31:40
  Corie: And I go on in.
• 31:42
  Corie: And we had the time away life.
• 31:45
  Corie: You had to understand that when I where I grew up, a DJ event is not a fet.
• 31:50
  Corie: You know, it used to say a DJ fet.
• 31:52
  Corie: I accustomed to bands.
• 31:53
  Corie: So maybe I still at that stage thinking that phase is like, nah, this DJ thing.
• 31:58
  Corie: Well, me and living home for much, you know, me and some brethren going, we're going at a DJ party, and and that fet was I don't know what about it, but the first thing that strike me as strange is that when I reach a fan, it's all inclusive and them kind of thing.
• 32:09
  Corie: And I see how I just look for wherever's the shorts line, eat some quick and run time, right?
• 32:14
  Corie: But the longest line was for corned beef and yes.
• 32:18
  Corie: I said, What is this?
• 32:19
  Corie: No, at this point, I think my wife set me up.
• 32:22
  Corie: I said, she just sent me something.
• 32:23
  Corie: She didn't want to go.
• 32:24
  Corie: We go, why is that corned beef and rice in here?
• 32:26
  Corie: Deliberate for you in terms of how you chose the things.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, corned beef and rice was my idea.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I put that, I remember when um I pitched it uh in the earlies, because I think we introduced it in year two or three, one of the early years, I can't remember.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I said, I think we should put corned beef and rice in your party.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, Really?
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: I said, yes.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: And and my reason why is because when you go to a lot of the premium hotels from Hyatt straight to the Jamaican hotels or whatever, corned beef is actually an instrumental part of the breakfast menu.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: It is now in Trinidad, they consider it poor man food.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: I said, but what if we do it in a way where it's really nice?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: So, like I went to one of the caterers and I said, I want you to, he didn't even have it in the menu.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I want you to do corned beef and rice.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: He'll never present that to you, right?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: I said, but do it with like basmati rice and and put some potatoes onto it special.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then he said, All right, give me a little time.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: And they put it together and said, Yeah, we're putting this in the party.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I remember when the first time we did it, people were like, corn beef and rice and all inclusive.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Don't mind there's like 40 something or other things that you could eat.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: But they focus it, I wouldn't say they just you know, they just wanted to say something, you know, you must have to find something back at all, and then the cornry fan rice line every year gets longer and longer to the point where we have to have two, and it literally is like top five fastest moving thing in the party, cornberry fan rice.
• 33:48
  Corie: I have a brethren to my partner Colonel.
• 33:49
  Corie: He said, Boy, they can't have childhood memories.
• 33:51
  Corie: He's talking about that up to now, and probably cornby fan rice.
• 33:55
  Corie: I was like, Why are you getting on top of corner rice?
• 33:56
  Corie: It's like I cannot understand why it's he's talking about that all the time.
• 34:00
  Corie: Again, we just end up there, yeah.
• 34:02
  Corie: So, of course, when I come back and tell my wife, I said, This is the greatest fet I ever because it's also well, even if I went to a DJ fed back in the day, the DJ wasn't seen.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you don't really see the DJ, I make it diet where the DJs are the rock stars, deliberate.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm a DJ, and then like I I've gone the the philosophy of it as well as because I've gone to all these events, and literally, like I can use an example and respect to them.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say full blown the carnival week.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: I guarantee you, if you go out every night as a foreigner, you're going to see full blown every night, right?
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: And you'll know the routine, you know, because they have the biggest song, they're gonna be one of the most booked.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, what would make my event different?
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: And my that's why I said for the when you've seen all these and you know all their routines and everything, the thing is that we as DJs have the ability to craft a musical experience as unexpected, of course.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we now can literally create a new reality, and when you put the convergence of on which is what brainwash does, you put um these DJs that people even heard of, and over time, what people what people realize now has happened is that the the the headliner DJs that have now been created, look at where they were so good brainwash.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: You look at Kevin Krong, you look at Rigo, you look at Barry, everybody, Brian Site.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: I could go down the list of people who are now Steven, everyone is now because promoters came and saw them there, they're saying, Oh, this guy is good.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Let's put him in this party.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: And look at Carnival Week, look at the DJs that get hired from international.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was from Brainwash, they saw them.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and those guys get gigs around the world as well.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: So Notting Hill promoters, Antigua promoters, Barberous promoters.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: You get like if you look back at the history, even DJ Puffy, all of them brainwash.
• 35:47
  Corie: Yeah, there's no there's no Jesus thing coming the year with Puffy because the year after, of course, my wife she comes in now.
• 35:53
  Corie: We mean he fed.
• 35:54
  Corie: And Puffy played in heaven.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: So you look back at it, and Marshall performed too.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: People don't even remember that.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't remember that.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: He came with Renee, he just came with Rennie, it's like, you know, I'm coming in, and he's sitting down there and he literally performed.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: I see, I see.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, yeah, I like this.
• 36:09
  Corie: But well, heaven, I mean, the year before would have been hard to top it.
• 36:12
  Corie: And cancel performing fun the biggest.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember none of this.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Ludacris performed in Treasures of the Orient, like Ludacris at the end of the year.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I saw that on Ludacris just ran up and see.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I love this pie.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Give it the mic.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: And all of a sudden, Ludacris is like, we've had moments where impromptu artists just perform and it just goes on in history, and people like it, it's so good that they don't actually care.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh, it happened, but it didn't like it become the like talking points because like I make it so that it makes sense, it makes sense.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, alright, but it's not me alone now.
• 36:45
  Corie: This Jesus complex.
• 36:46
  Corie: I look up and I see all the doves floating, right?
• 36:48
  Corie: This is heavy white or whatever you're thinking about to drink that day, right?
• 36:51
  Corie: And when I look past the doves, I see real doves flying us.
• 36:57
  Corie: This is chaos.
• 36:58
  Corie: That yeah, that might be one of the best years I ever went.
• 37:00
  Corie: And Puffy does something that yeah, where I wonder if people remember his mix, right?
• 37:05
  Corie: Yeah, and of course, even then, I'm not sure understand the theme, huh?
• 37:09
  Corie: The theme in terms of how you set up the DJs and who plays and how it builds up, right?
• 37:13
  Corie: But he came on and he played a soccer mix, but play cartel fever in between each song he mixed.
• 37:20
  Corie: Yeah, he just teases.
• 37:21
  Corie: He just teased it.
• 37:22
  Corie: So he said XO, XO, and then bringing a song.
• 37:24
  Corie: Boy, he never played a damn XO.
• 37:26
  Corie: I'm waiting for him up to today to play.
• 37:28
  Corie: I had some thoughts on the dance, all in feds, so I really should play more.
• 37:31
  Corie: But that was that was a special year.
• 37:33
  Corie: So, how how involved are you in terms of well?
• 37:36
  Corie: I heard you talk about how difficult it is to select the DJs, the playing times and so on.
• 37:40
  Corie: Do you go over with them what who plays what?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, actually, I I don't tell the DJs what to play, but I give them a guide in the sense that the number one rule don't rush the event.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and and don't the other thing I tell them actually is don't wait for me to play the hits, right?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: I said it's a long day, so there'll be a cycle where especially 2026, so come they're going to play twice.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Don't wait till it's now you're waiting for me to come on stage.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: And up to for the day, I've been here since let's say 12.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Some people are outside.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, some people have been out, they're outside brainwashed.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is the next thing, they're outside brainwashed.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: If I see the doors on 12, they're people out there at 11.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: This is a no-joke.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: They damn right.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: They're lining up.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: So they called me for the race.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, because they come in, they said this is where I'm having lunch for breakfast.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, but it can't be that I've been here from since 12 and I didn't hear, let's say, last train by about 3:30.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: I need to hear at least one of my favorites, you know.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not to say that I feel like we need to be playing like road man and encore at two, but I mean, at least let the party go in cycle.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: So there's one cycle and then there's the second cycle.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: So like I believe that you know it's it's waves you have to go in, and then how you select the DJs, you have to select them for their strengths.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, like after that wave, who's the best one to come and do the reset wave now that's gonna take you here, and then you know, goes back up, and then you just climax at the end where people's like, Oh, I had an amazing time.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you know, so it it creating it is like a concept, it's but it's a DJ concept, yeah.
• 39:09
  Corie: Real interesting, real interesting.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then now you know the the struggle that I have now is that you know, in evolving it is like I'm also producing.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: So then if I have a song like Lost in Trinbago, how can you leave Lost in Trinigo out of your own event?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: So then you have to consider where does battalion music fall into it?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's the things that's the evolution brainwash is going through, is like how battalion music could be introduced into it in terms of you never know who's gonna run out on the phone because remember the catalog now includes um Nyla and Mila and Marshall and this and that.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, it it may be a situation where you just say, Wow, I didn't realize all of this was gonna happen.
• 39:46
  Corie: Yeah, even then I was thinking that by the time you come on, I say it's artist time now.
• 39:51
  Corie: Yeah, but I mean it's it's special for the I don't think I ever saw anything like that in terms of DJ events, where as you say the DJ is the rock star in anything.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: But what people again, so this goes back to legacy now.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: So remember, I said I created these mixes since since 2007, so I became a daily part of a lot of people's lives over over years.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: So for them, I am the rock star to them.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: I am the Marshal of DJing is Private Ryan.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: So when Private Ryan goes on stage, party time.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: So then it's up to me to now decide how are people gonna party.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I can do it as a DJ because I could run through all the eras of soccer in my sleep.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: I can do 80s, 90s, 2000s, I can do strictly now.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just my role when I'm on stage, especially in Brainwash, is I have to make people party and and I want them to have a great time.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so, but how does that evolve?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and so that's that's now where I as now producer and DJ have to have that balance.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, how am I gonna present the show now?
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, and and those are the things that we go through.
• 40:55
  Corie: Yeah, that's something like uh real sleepless night because I don't produce the show and close.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're producing the music, you're planning events, supposed from and you're headlining events.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like that I don't think anybody else sits in that position where like they literally like I'm standing in the party, create the party, and then have to go on stage, and I'm doing content in the party too.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then sometimes people wanted to play on both stages, but I took myself off of soccer baby stage because I do the soccer baby boat, so I do both boats, but I let the other DJs do this the stage.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I will go on the main stage and I will do my thing, you know.
• 41:28
  Corie: Yeah, so baby again.
• 41:29
  Corie: Uh maybe I don't do enough research before I go to the events because I didn't know what to expect.
• 41:32
  Corie: That would have been the 70s team, was the first one.
• 41:34
  Corie: Yeah, so I go on there and I have a I have a real, real bias to old school music, real, real bias.
• 41:40
  Corie: So I in effect and we haven't a time, normal story.
• 41:43
  Corie: Me and my wife friends, we at this point we're not missing the event, right?
• 41:46
  Corie: If we get tickets, right?
• 41:47
  Corie: We're not missing the event.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: They have the direct link though.
• 41:50
  Corie: Don't say that, don't say that because the weakest okay men calling me to see if I could get school to approved tickets.
• 41:57
  Corie: So I don't have no link, David.
• 41:58
  Corie: Who else?
• 41:59
  Corie: You take David's number.
• 42:03
  Corie: But listen, I come in effect, and we it it is what it is, it's a standard, and I don't really like going to the same events every year.
• 42:10
  Corie: I feel he's created this because you done Jesus already.
• 42:13
  Corie: What do you do?
• 42:13
  Corie: Resurrect now?
• 42:14
  Corie: Time to go something else.
• 42:15
  Corie: See how it's going, you understand?
• 42:17
  Corie: Because I just go with this expectation, so I always change it up, but we can't move.
• 42:21
  Corie: And must be going to the bar or the washroom or something.
• 42:24
  Corie: I see a little disco happening in there, and I hear bang, pang, pang, and bang and but I say, What is this?
• 42:30
  Corie: I go in there, and it was a whole next fit.
• 42:33
  Corie: A whole next fit going on.
• 42:35
  Corie: So you planning the event with understanding that there's a lot of things.
• 42:37
  Corie: It's a fet, bit in a fit.
• 42:38
  Corie: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, like over there, they're in their own world, they have their own bar, their own DJ.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I added last year a guest artist.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: So every year, what I do is I I take another veteran artist and I put them on stage, right?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so last year, I well, I had a song at MX.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, um, so I said I want Maximus Dan.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I and he went over there and he mashed up.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: So this year it's another guest artist I didn't announce yet.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, so like there's another one that is a veteran.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: People say, Oh my god, when last I saw and then so like they'll be performing there.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so like it's it's just bringing back the nostalgia, that authentic soccer feel.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like um uh in in Trinidad especially, I feel like there's there's a disconnect that's happening and it's getting wider where they're not appreciating a lot of the the older stuff, right?
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and and it's not even that old, it's like there's a there's a there's a shift where they're not appreciating or liking so they like the idea of soccer, so they like the idea of of rum and party, but do they actually like like the music or love the music?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I find like when I travel, I'm finding a lot more people who love soccer, and the Trunis themselves they like it for the season and then they move straight up back to dancehall and and everything else.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: The Jamaicans don't treat their dancehall like that, though.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: So that there's a disconnect happening, and I think what happened was the bar.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Barriers to entry to soaker for a lot of the young artists because it became a lot more it was very difficult for them to enter.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: The the rebellion was what created Trinity Bad.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: If you listen to a lot of stories, I tried to be a soccer artist boy and I couldn't get in, boy, and no one was taking me on.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then Trinity Bad.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think people forget artists.
• 44:20
  Corie: Yeah, artists' expression.
• 44:21
  Corie: Yeah.
• 44:22
  Corie: If you close the door and they care if a singer cares sing, they go have a problem.
• 44:27
  Corie: You want to sing.
• 44:28
  Corie: It's like you not being able to DJ.
• 44:29
  Corie: People want to express themselves.
• 44:31
  Corie: So and Jamaica is a funny place where that's got like I see, like I hope you say dance all is more weak culture.
• 44:37
  Corie: But I see that in Jamaica.
• 44:39
  Corie: I live in Jamaica for a little while.
• 44:40
  Corie: And young or grassroots Jamaicans hold on to dance all in a different way than up tongue Jamaicans.
• 44:47
  Corie: You would have seen that yourself in your troubles.
• 44:48
  Corie: It's different.
• 44:54
  Corie: Very different.
• 44:55
  Corie: It's different and different and different.
• 44:57
  Corie: Even soccer and the way soccer is accepted is different in Jamaica.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: So but but they are they they ex yeah, they accept a certain sound of soccer.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, so has grown a lot in Jamaica.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think uh uh the 2015 start, so that actually had a lot to do with that.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: They live by that.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's like their Bible.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: You could just play 2015 soccer in Jamaica and they literally.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then last year, Boyo had its time, you know, and and they don't say had it, no, no, no.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: It had its time, meaning the breakthrough.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: So the Buyo breakthrough yeah, was was was before, and then Grenada came and they have done it.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: They've this this is reminding me of the Bayan invasion when Barbados came and had a wave, and when Grenada had their carnival this year, they literally practically wiped out every other island soaker in terms of popularity.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's just reality.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: Job decisions, burial, payroll, all those greasy dung, all those things just came and were like, yeah, this is the high point of the year power session.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so now it's the reset, which is which is Trinidad, which is the next major, major carnival.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: So our groovy stuff, but then how is our power gonna stand up?
• 46:22
  Corie: Maybe they have a few, they have a few power this year, but I don't ever find that to be such a bad thing in the run.
• 46:27
  Corie: To be honest with you, I don't I don't understand why people make this big fuss about the Bajan invasion on the grid.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: I find it's one thing, and no, but but if you look at it, no, but but the Bajan invasion, those things were important because the Bayesian invasion is what was the the inspiration for Marshall Montano to make big truck.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: I suppose he speaks about that.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: And if anybody remembers the songs that when Barbados really took over with with Crossfire and Edwin Yeah Well and Allison Hines and Luke Fingel and all of them, big belly man, right planting true but it was ridiculous.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like Barbieros wipe out Trinidad, and then Marshall and he said it in interviews, he said, I saw that and said, This could never happen again.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then he spent six or seven months making big truck albums, heavy duty, right?
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so those resets are important, so there's nothing wrong with that because then there's someone sitting in their room, some artist, whether it be veteran or or new, that is gonna be like, I'm gonna make something powerful, yeah.
• 47:28
  Corie: Or some producer, yeah, it's a good one.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: And they may come with something that revolutionizes everything, it's just part of it.
• 47:34
  Corie: Yeah, steel sharpened still too.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, stop running from this competition thing, competition, but but that's what makes carnival good, which is why I like years when there's no clear road match winner, it makes it boring.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: What made last carnival so epic for people was the fact that there was an actual conversation carried versus party, and you you look at it's like the yin and yang, it's like people like competition, so they want to see a head-to-head.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: They they like, and then worse yet, they like to see uh big artist, Marshall Matano versus Spongy Garden.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: They want that because it's like the two kings just going at it, you know.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: But when it's like there's one song, and you know, everyone is like, well, this is gonna win, obviously.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't but that's the truth about basketball, football.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: We like some big rivalry.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: We night, we like rivalry, and it makes it interesting.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: It makes it makes it like what you'll think winning this year, and you're looking for every weekend, yeah.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what one working in the party, and that's what you know we waiting on, of course.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: You want to see it, you want to see both.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: I tell you that, it's too pretty.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: You need a little mess.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: You need a little mess, you need a little something, a little something.
• 48:41
  Corie: Well, we time to make it messy here now, David.
• 48:43
  Corie: Like you're into the mess now.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's go.
• 48:45
  Corie: Because the last year I went brainwash.
• 48:47
  Corie: I say I wasn't going back, you know.
• 48:48
  Corie: I say I wasn't going back.
• 48:50
  Corie: I said there's the end.
• 48:51
  Corie: That was the year before COVID.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 48:52
  Corie: I will come to that.
• 48:53
  Corie: Let me get the complaints first.
• 48:55
  Corie: Okay.
• 48:55
  Corie: Or just understanding, really.
• 48:57
  Corie: Yeah.
• 48:57
  Corie: Oh, the drinks in the any fit.
• 48:58
  Corie: Deliberate too in terms of your sponsors.
• 49:00
  Corie: Because the first year I went, we went for with normal drinks that we would typically get from the Angus touras of this world.
• 49:05
  Corie: Yeah.
• 49:05
  Corie: And then I see at the front.
• 49:07
  Corie: I mean, I was glad because Appleton is my thing.
• 49:09
  Corie: Yeah.
• 49:09
  Corie: But then that year you had Appleton and them things.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Appleton was there that year, but then Angostura, you know, came and oh, is that no?
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: So Angostura has the main rum.
• 49:18
  Corie: All right, congrats.
• 49:18
  Corie: You see how easy that was.
• 49:19
  Corie: I mean, we clear that up.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: So we're not getting Appleton again.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know if we can get Appleton again.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, have you gotten Appleton in any other party?
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is the point.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they went to.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: What is happening here?
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's not special on Pepsi.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like, I know, but we wanted it.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: We wanted it to be the original idea.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: We really wanted it to be like um you come and you get the rums of the Caribbean, so it's Apple.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: I hear you say it's a Caribbean festival.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right, exactly.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: It feels our way too.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: All the different flags.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, sometimes, you know, when you're dealing with corporate, it don't happen now, we know.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: We learn it, it don't happen now.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can't have it all.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 49:57
  Corie: Another feature you think outside of corn beef and rice is is it's one of the first fets maybe I went where I saw how important people treated this swag.
• 50:06
  Corie: My wife is like, we gotta reach early, gotta give him a cup.
• 50:09
  Corie: The cup became a thing.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the cup becomes if you don't get your cup, you're upset.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so we take a lot of pride in designing the cup and and making it unique every year.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it's really something that people look forward to.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, what is your cup gonna be like this year?
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like a statement piece.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that once in a lifetime thing is I was here for this one, and that was the cup that year.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: That was also like we've had to come up with different cuts every every time for everyone.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you're involved in all these processes, you know.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: I've been involved in all the all those processes.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I have tasted all the food, I um I draw the cup.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, let's do it like this.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: I literally am involved in in sketching and doing all those things.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, man, people don't even know.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like, like, even with the food court, the pigeon peas is growing on a farm.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: I go and check the pigeon peas.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not even joking, but I'll go with a farm, they mean rest in peace, he died last year.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and boy, literally, the pigeon peas is on a farm, and it's like, yeah, I actually have a video of me walking through the farm.
• 51:05
  Corie: Now you're doing too much, yeah.
• 51:09
  Corie: You make everybody else look bad.
• 51:11
  Corie: It's like dad.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nah, nah.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm involved.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very involved in it.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I have a good team, but you know, I I I've even started processing what 20, 27 brainwashes.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I'm sure.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, like now that we've we've ordered and things are coming.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's just you know, the things that have to happen, things have to clear, things have to, you know, be organized, things have to be set, whatever, make sure the rest of the tickets get to wedding to get to those are the things that are happening.
• 51:36
  Corie: Makes sense.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: But in terms of now the creative, is like for us to get a successful 20, especially in a short season.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you were saying next is a short time, even shorter.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I'm like making my notes now, and then as it's done, it's like, all right, so now we're gonna start storyboarding what it'll look like.
• 51:54
  Corie: You know, those are the things.
• 51:55
  Corie: So while you're storyboarding, right?
• 51:56
  Corie: We need bigger cups.
• 51:57
  Corie: You need we need a bigger cup, a gallon size.
• 52:01
  Corie: I ain't sure.
• 52:01
  Corie: Now that I say it, I ain't sure.
• 52:03
  Corie: Now that I say that, I'm not sure.
• 52:05
  Corie: But that small cup because the cups like there was one the same size every year, you know.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just it looks different, but it's the same size, yeah.
• 52:11
  Corie: Small.
• 52:12
  Corie: We need more rounds.
• 52:14
  Corie: No, I think it's genius to mark the event because when I see I was really my wife, when I say she started collecting it, and my father vexed like hell because I remember him bringing the enamel cup for me.
• 52:23
  Corie: And I say, Boy, me and drinking from the enamel cup, and I'm going over private round, I'm happy cups, yeah.
• 52:33
  Corie: Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure.
• 52:36
  Corie: But for me, it was the trips to the bars like every time I reach back because every time I done my liquor done.
• 52:41
  Corie: So from now I walk in on my walking.
• 52:43
  Corie: You can come in with your own cup.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, yeah, yeah.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: What's your point?
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: You come in, you pay for the experience, you have to take the cup.
• 52:49
  Corie: I take it in cup, but I just want a bigger cup to drink from.
• 52:53
  Corie: I could backpocket the cup and go.
• 52:55
  Corie: But I think that year before, but well, I guess you would have been seeing all the news about COVID and the whole thing has happened in China.
• 53:02
  Corie: Everybody, everybody in Carnival was looking at it.
• 53:04
  Corie: And we were just like where we are now.
• 53:05
  Corie: We was wondering if it would have a carnival, right?
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, that one was hard because what's the team again?
• 53:11
  Corie: That was the Asian.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: That was the treasures of the Orient.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: Literally, one week after Brainwash, they closed the borders.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it was like we people don't, I think they don't remember how close we were to not having anything.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: We got the last wave of people in, the last big thing.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: I remember I sat down with the team in those times.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: We would have um brainwashed Jamaica coming up.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: And we made a decision and it's like, yo, Ryan, the news is not looking good enough.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: We need to we need to postpone or cancelled so brainwashed to Jamaica.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: And so when I really did the research into what was happening, it's like immediately like, oh yeah, this is not happening.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then immediately that happened.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: Then the last wave of people got out of the country, and then they closed the borders.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then I got real six.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that I never I have never tested positive for COVID ever, right?
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: But the way I felt after that carnival, I was bedridden for like about a couple days.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yo, what is this?
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too, you know.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: Why am I feeling so sick?
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it was maybe a few days.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't know what was happening, yeah.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, we that was that was the end of that.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we ended up having to sit still for two two years.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, two years.
• 54:23
  Corie: Yeah, it was different.
• 54:24
  Corie: And I was there, I was real sick in in brainwash that year.
• 54:27
  Corie: And I told myself I'm gonna drum my sorrows here in this rub, you know.
• 54:32
  Corie: I mean, that's where the cup complaint coming.
• 54:34
  Corie: I don't know what because the the Fed grows significantly from Fatima grounds.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for yeah.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: So we we all grew Fatima grounds, and then we had to go to St.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: Mary's to like really recreate festivals in a in a yeah, and enhance the experience because one thing about Brainwash is that as much as it's big, we don't want you to feel that way.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like we want you to move and be able to maneuver through the crowd no matter what, so it's not like you're up under people, you can't have that.
• 54:57
  Corie: It feels that way, it feels like a festival, right?
• 54:59
  Corie: Even that yeah, just sick or no sick.
• 55:01
  Corie: But I think the thing that that year was the it was the first year that I came where it didn't feel like all the DJs were in sync.
• 55:06
  Corie: I just keep hearing every DJ coming, play Ruxhan, and I can't remember what the two songs are maybe, maybe.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not I have to remember.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, some time ago, yeah, yeah, it would have been 20 years.
• 55:16
  Corie: But there are two big songs on that.
• 55:17
  Corie: Do me a favor, and another song was mixed in with that.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, um, Problem Child.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 55:22
  Corie: I guess it was just dominating that kind of.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was just dominating that kind of, but I I I've taken a more active role in tunes because with me, I I how I used to do is I used to really just let it like you're professionals, blah blah blah.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: But then, you know, I I always look for feedback.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: So if people say anything about music or anything like that, you know, you look through the comments, you know, you could sift through hate and comments and constructive criticism.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, you have to, it's part of you, it's part of it, you know.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: And if they say, well, you know, the DJs are repeating or the DJs are doing this, DJs are doing that, I would take a look at it and be like, okay, maybe I need to curate this a little better.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe I can't leave it up to, you know, you know, their discretion because what is discretion?
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: Your discretion maybe it's different for everybody.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I would then be like, okay, let's try to avoid XYZ until this point, XYZ until this point, and have a DJ meeting, and then everybody works as a team.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you could do that.
• 56:16
  Corie: That's the rule.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: You have to treat it like how the the the bands do.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: The bands have uh a DJ meeting, um, and you know, you you choose a point where you just every most uh mostly everybody's there and you have a chat with everybody about all the events.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it wouldn't just be brainwashed because I have so well so would have passed already, but I have so starter, I've imagined, which is my Jubilee party the day after brainwash, and then I have post-cab relief, and I'm also on the road.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: So like I bring everyone together and be like, hey guys, let's have a things.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh let's have a plan, let's talk about this.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't look tired and thinking of people actually say I'm aging backwards, you're gonna say you and you're like, Well boy, drink water.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well no drink what drink water, yeah.
• 57:01
  Corie: Of course, of course, it's important.
• 57:03
  Corie: Hydrate, so another one of the people areas that complaints is the tickets.
• 57:07
  Corie: Is it just brainwash or is all the events is have the or you get the complaints all the time about the difficulty to get tickets on the streets?
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's difficult.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: So, um, so yes, so before it would be difficult.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, like what would happen is that the tickets would just sell out the same day, right?
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the era of brainwash being the only thing happening on Carnival Saturday.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: So everybody would buy that one ticket on that day, and that was it.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, I didn't get a ticket.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, you know, let's see what we could do.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now we've kind of um changed it.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: Where like even this year, I launched the tickets for brainwash in May, and I did that to allow for a new era of things, which is where they have Trinidad.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and why I did that is because it's now I could present payment plans.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: So you could curate your carnival experience with me um by paying off in increments.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: Even if you just want to do the one brainwash ticket, you have six or seven months, you don't pay on it, and every month you could pay off.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: You could you could choose different packages or you could just do the one ticket because I do understand the economic change.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's some people, or what carnival tries to do, they try to give you this ticket in September.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like and we we were actually when I did September, people thought, oh god, a September ticket for I said, but think about launching your carnival ticket in November, December.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: When you have a devil, uh you have a demographic that has kids and Christmas and house to deal with, and you're trying to put carnival tickets in that, and then every other promoter's launching their tickets.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, no, let why don't we if we know what the product is gonna be, we can do like a major festival and launch the tickets earlier.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing wrong with that.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: Coachella launches a year in advance, so does Ultra, so does Glastonbury, so a lot of different things they they launched.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: You could say, see you next year, get your pre-sale tickets now.
• 58:57
  Corie: Oh, yeah, you can do those things, it makes sense, right?
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_01: You see, that's a will model, so why not adopt those things and not try to have everyone try to spend the money at the same time?
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, that was the thing.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: So now the tickets are easier because we've given people more flexibility to do those things, right?
• 59:14
  Corie: I heard you break down to the argument about the ticket prices, yeah.
• 59:17
  Corie: Because uh what I really like that I say is which I do all the time, right?
• 59:20
  Corie: I just study, I study the two and I say price by quantity equals total revenue.
• 59:24
  Corie: So I stand by the door, I check that ticket price by how much we've been walking as well.
• 59:30
  Corie: Oh god, private rien is really my and say this, it cannot be Jesus.
• 59:36
  Corie: In the flesh, the return.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: Man, if people only see how expensive it is to do these events, it is it is difficult um to explain, like like from the staffing for the year.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: You just remember, let's just start with we all have to pay tax.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: So tax and VAT and all these things exist.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: So you're right, in it.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, it exists, not a theory, it exists.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's yeah.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you have storage, shipping, all the decor, all the souvenirs, the bar bill, yeah.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course, the food bill.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's like yeah, he's made the the production, the staged, all the infrastructure, generators, this, that.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: When you start to go through what it takes to make that come through, all the security, then you get your fire and police bill and all these things, like it's a lot.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: So promoters, and then now, um, for those who went to market before, well, it was what I just said we went to market in May, the liquor then doubled.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_01: All right, of course.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: So then you can't go back to market now with with new ticket prices, so you now have to absorb that and and give and try to give the the same or more of an experience because that's what people expect.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: Every year we try to increase any experience and stuff, it adds up.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, so people cannot look at a ticket price and think that we have no experience.
• 1:01:01
  Corie: I don't know why, and even for me, because what you're saying is uh okay, for sure.
• 1:01:06
  Corie: But what you're saying is this truth about any business.
• 1:01:09
  Corie: Yeah, it is just no business.
• 1:01:11
  Corie: Yeah, there's a margin, we wouldn't do it if there wasn't one, but there's a significant amount of expenses.
• 1:01:15
  Corie: And for what you're doing is something I wouldn't do.
• 1:01:18
  Corie: I really like business and I like I don't mind investing in things or do, but I find events just too.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a significant risk of loss.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like that's a thing.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, for example, uh a simple thing like what transpired between you know the US and Venezuela and what that created in terms of uncertainty causes cancellations.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: Cancellations means people want refunds, yeah.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_01: Money that you would have spent already on production catering for a certain amount of people.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_01: So you could look at things that could make the environment volatile, even changes in policies.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_01: You see, look, look at what even makes uncertainty, people thinking, oh, Trinidad is losing their venues and this and that, the other.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: So when people are looking at headlines, which is what you have to be careful with, what goes out to the world creates makes people not want to spend their money, they hold on to their money, because it's like, nah, wait until you get, you know, your stuff in order.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: And for us, it you know, as event producers, because this is just an industry conversation, makes it very difficult to then be like, okay, we could center on a plan because of course we know that there's there's this certainty that people are flying in, but now people are uh uh heaven and hoin now, and uh and I've never seen anything like it, like this, like how it is like this.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like now what you mean?
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this this industry here now because you've seen it, it's across to it's it's happening with people with Airbnbs.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_01: There are people cancelling, there's been resales of of cut carnival costumes and all those things, and that's a gauge to tell you of how uncertain it is.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying it's not gonna recover because now you'll see how people spend, you know, go in the lead up to Carnival because they could be in being a massive wave damn it, I'm coming because I catch you wave.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna see with all the events every weekend.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know what people are doing?
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: They're looking at the stories of the events and they're like, hmm.
• 1:02:58
  Corie: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: I go and buy a ticket.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's coming.
• 1:03:02
  Corie: I think the musical sellers can exactly one of the better years for music, so it will sell it.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what we have to do, you know.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_01: We have to, you know, the show must go on as as much as it can, and we just have to, you know, make it because our job as you know as stakeholders in the industry is to make people really want to enjoy our festival.
• 1:03:19
  Corie: It makes sense.
• 1:03:20
  Corie: And another thing that I look at is, and I guess from a layman's standpoint, to me, a promoter is a bunch of people who come together.
• 1:03:28
  Corie: I just remember like hobby and them, they like train party.
• 1:03:30
  Corie: It's just like if people come together to throw a party and then go back to work.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  Corie: But you um you have a you have a full staff all year long.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it has to be.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: It like we don't start planning the event like three months before.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like the event, every day there are things to do, and and it's so many little things.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: So there's the big things is micro and macro, and and it's the the micro things that make maybe the big differences as as as simple as how you brand your staff.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like how they look on the day, like being involved is like, okay, this is this is a team jersey, this is a thing, whatever.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there's so many little things that people wouldn't understand that go into it, like like how the signage looks, how big it is, um, what colors you're going to use that complement the thing when the when he when it changes tonight, what is the stage lighting gonna look like to match?
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is it like a telling you?
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: You said you understand when is he confetti?
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: When it when when it when you do the production, if you have guest artists, when do they run on?
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: How you know the backstage hospitality they did listen and you give yourself more work with that by doing these elaborate things.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: But but yeah, so well, you know, yeah.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I choose to uh you see because I look at it from a patron point of view, I like the excitement of taking an event and making it different every year.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_01: The core services must remain the same or get better.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: So your drinks, your food, your the friendliness of your staff, the efficiency of how the event runs.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_01: But when you could strip that down and give people a different way to dress, a different way they feel different things every year, I find that makes it more exciting.
• 1:05:02
  Corie: Yeah, let me tell you something.
• 1:05:04
  Corie: I remember one year after your vet, going out next fed the next day, and I was real disappointed.
• 1:05:11
  Corie: Honestly, I didn't want to call no neighbors.
• 1:05:14
  Corie: When I went in there and I see the just the deco, because the feeling of going to a brainwash is something everybody should experience.
• 1:05:20
  Corie: You know what I mean?
• 1:05:21
  Corie: Because it's a vibe from from outside.
• 1:05:22
  Corie: Yeah, because everybody who dressed in theme, yeah, you see them coming up from Iroxy from everywhere, and it feels like a part of my thing.
• 1:05:29
  Corie: Then I went to Fed this Sunday.
• 1:05:32
  Corie: It was bad.
• 1:05:33
  Corie: And now it's a global carnival brand.
• 1:05:35
  Corie: Yes, you're doing events.
• 1:05:36
  Corie: What what what other countries or spaces are?
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I've done I've done brainwash in Jamaica, Barbados, New York, Miami, and Toronto.
• 1:05:44
  Corie: In those spaces you do brainwash only, or you do other events?
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_01: I do at events now.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but all the events um that we've done brainwash in the other territories have been in iconic places.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they've they've been in spaces that haven't really been touched by criminal.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say, for example, New York, you know, well, Brooklyn Mirage uh now doesn't exist anymore.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's just border.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_01: But we've sold out the Brooklyn Mirage for five years straight, which is not uh a small feat.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: That is only reserved for like the David Getters and the Black Coffees and then Private Ryan came and sold out the Brooklyn Mirage and had done it to the point where they they love it.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_01: We were like one of their top clients.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Soka Brainwash is like the Caribbean festival of Labor Day weekend, right?
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we did the same thing in the middle of Fort York, so downtown Toronto, Soka Brainwash happened, right?
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Miami, we did the Miami Sequarium, you know, sold out the Sequarium.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, then I uh, you know, so like when you look at the legacy of what Soka Brainwash did for Crib, the Caribbean and soaker music and stuff, you know, I take it very seriously.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_01: So now we I think right now you we're going into a new era because of course there's this points in time where you know you have five years and then you you look and see, okay, what are you gonna do that's next?
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I think the world is just in that space right now, too.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I've also introduced soaker baby and so starter, and then I've created new brands, barbecued and other things that I did in Labor Day.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because ironically, what happened is that the the Broken Raj was going through some financial problems, it was supposed to launch, and I had a trailer and everything, you know.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_01: I actually walked in your barrage, had everything still on my phone, yeah, and then they end up in a in a whole legal battle because they couldn't open, and so what I said we plan everything for like a year.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_01: We had to pivot Labor Day in like two and a half months.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh and I had to I I had to throw three new events.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, just to just just to make up that's because people would like where's brain or brain or it's like all right, so I had to do three events that weekend just to be like, here's this yeah, holy crowd, yeah.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: Holy just take that, but they were very good, it was excellent.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_01: So it made me question is like, is this a new era of what I'm gonna do for the time being?
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because venues are actually a problem worldwide now.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is not just a Trinidad thing, it's everywhere, it's in New York, it's in Toronto, it's in Miami, venues and are are disappearing.
• 1:08:06
  Corie: But why?
• 1:08:06
  Corie: What what's causing the commercialization?
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they're just building residential complexes and business complexes and you know, um new regulations, zoning laws, different things.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: So, like it's not good when when um these event spaces disappear, because then what do we have to throw these these types of events?
• 1:08:26
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:26
  Corie: Especially the events that kind of like marquee and signature events require like a big level of production.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: If I was throwing backyard parties, cool, yeah, yeah, it could get done.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_01: If I was throwing something that was like maybe 1500 people, cool, right?
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_01: You could find spaces that you can do like that, but when you're when you cross the 5,000 people mark, you need like production and things to like really facilitate that and that is near non-existent, no?
• 1:08:53
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:54
  Corie: You've seen it, you've seen that stock dwindling.
• 1:08:56
  Corie: Yeah, you've seen it.
• 1:08:57
  Corie: Maybe it will come back.
• 1:08:58
  Corie: I well, this is not the first time I see this, huh?
• 1:09:00
  Corie: There's that's I hear them venues get banned and thing before, so we'll we'll see where it go.
• 1:09:04
  Corie: I don't go back to the first time I met in person was at Scotch 101 Sokerless.
• 1:09:09
  Corie: And hoppy take relics for this, but I want to tell all that this is your right time, man.
• 1:09:14
  Corie: Let the licks share.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_01: Let's not share right here.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: I said I said what I said.
• 1:09:21
  Corie: David and I were there, you know.
• 1:09:22
  Corie: I mean, I and I remember again, that was another thing where the first iteration of it came out, and I was like, this is garbage.
• 1:09:29
  Corie: When I see it, I say, nah, this is a waste of because again, it's and you said it while we were there, right?
• 1:09:34
  Corie: You was you were saying that people will automatically look all through the 101 to see their favorite song, what they feel or their five favorites, and look for it.
• 1:09:43
  Corie: So my first thing was always again the old school bias, right?
• 1:09:46
  Corie: So I look in for shorty and I looking for things, and I was like, who make this list?
• 1:09:49
  Corie: Yeah, it's not there, but I know Hoppy well enough, right?
• 1:09:52
  Corie: To know that Hoppy, despite where people say okay, I think about Hoppy, but Hoppy is Hoppy understands this culture, he is this culture.
• 1:09:59
  Corie: He understands, he understands a lot.
• 1:10:00
  Corie: He understands it.
• 1:10:01
  Corie: So you know where my blame went next.
• 1:10:03
  Corie: I say it's how to be it's how to be Ryan.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: Have to be me.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, my name is the first acquire and everything in the song go wrong, describe it, right?
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: I see Hoppy been around.
• 1:10:12
  Corie: I see Hoppy in every space it had in this culture.
• 1:10:14
  Corie: I say it's how to be Ryan.
• 1:10:16
  Corie: But I'll tell you this, I was real impressed by your breakdown or your because it was nights and nights of arguments.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, boy, yeah, boy.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Head hurting, head hurting, but I found myself again.
• 1:10:28
  Corie: People in the room is like David, who's been David went to every carnival in the world, you had Nigel Campbell, Carl Beaver Henderson, Hoppy, yourself, you know, DJs, gel, and them was on the on the on the zoo.
• 1:10:37
  Corie: And so you see, in respected people who understand what the culture is from several different viewpoints and eras, right?
• 1:10:43
  Corie: So I find myself when Beaver talking, you just had to shut up.
• 1:10:46
  Corie: Yeah, what the hell about you with beaver?
• 1:10:48
  Corie: You and Beaver talking, you just had a when Beaver say get something and wave is the biggest song you ever see in your car.
• 1:10:53
  Corie: You just had to listen.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I listened to that story.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even know that story, and I I took it there as like, you know what, that's a moment in time.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then the others who lived through it, when I heard them say, Nah boy, y'all didn't understand what that did to Carnival.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_01: I could I have to respect that.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I didn't there.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was home too.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was around, I was home.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was around, but I was home.
• 1:11:12
  Corie: Yeah, of course, of course.
• 1:11:13
  Corie: I didn't I didn't like the song at all.
• 1:11:14
  Corie: And that might be why he probably right, because I just heard so much living in St.
• 1:11:18
  Corie: James.
• 1:11:19
  Corie: I just was too much.
• 1:11:20
  Corie: Yeah, but I that respect, I had that respect for you and the way you would break things down too.
• 1:11:25
  Corie: Because you weren't just arguing to argue.
• 1:11:27
  Corie: I'll I'll say that.
• 1:11:28
  Corie: All of us in the room passionate about the culture.
• 1:11:31
  Corie: And I remember at one point in time I kept asking you, like, Ryan, that song, how big it was abroad?
• 1:11:36
  Corie: Because I realized in real quick that while I have a strong opinion, my perspective is real, real limited.
• 1:11:41
  Corie: Perspective is limited to that time and not traveling to different carnivals and so on.
• 1:11:45
  Corie: So for you, uh having input in that list, important to you, the whole process and all that, because I saw your passion and contribution to it.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, in understanding Hoppy's vision for what you know he wanted to do in terms of really identifying the the core songs that have made impact over a course of maybe two decades, what you say of all time.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: So it has to be three.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's extremely difficult.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I even told him, I was like, why don't you break this up into erased?
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_01: But it's five decades.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, those songs are from the 80s.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, yo, this is a little difficult because it's like it's gonna exclude a lot of songs that I think have had impact, but they're gonna be automatically wiped out by something, you know, else.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, which is what you know ended up happening where we were there for like night and nights, and it's just like, you know, going back and forth and re-scoring, and then when you look at it with fresh eyes, you know, it's just like you know, it's a near-impossible task.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think the next time he does it, he should just condense it to the new era and see what happens because then the winners will be the same, the list won't change much.
• 1:12:49
  Corie: Yeah, I guess every year you have the chance of one or two songs entering.
• 1:12:53
  Corie: Yeah, but almost by nature, in terms of the way it's structured, yeah.
• 1:12:55
  Corie: I would the new songs will enter 100, closer to 100.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I would like to hear, like, let's say, what is the the top groovy songs of the last 10 years?
• 1:13:04
  Corie: You have any intention to do that?
• 1:13:05
  Corie: Because I don't know that they have anybody even just listening to the mixes, right?
• 1:13:10
  Corie: And then hearing you talk about it.
• 1:13:12
  Corie: I'm not sure that they have much people more qualified than you.
• 1:13:14
  Corie: That's something you would do outside of what Squatch does.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would, I could, I would do that.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_01: I have in the plans of things I want to record, there's a lot of different types, especially with the soaker baby series, there's a lot of different types of mixes I want to showcase um the the versatility of soca in different ways, right?
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_01: So we could do, let's say, the top hundred songs of of X-era.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_01: We start with 20.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:40
  Corie: No, but if you break it down by decade, because when when you look back at it, right?
• 1:13:44
  Corie: Let's assume, and they have no reason for us to assume you're gonna slow down anytime soon, right?
• 1:13:48
  Corie: You've done doing too much already at our pace.
• 1:13:50
  Corie: If if let's say we're in 2040, yeah, I'm not sure that anybody, the same way Beaver was in that room, I'm not sure that they would have anybody who better than you to say, okay, in 2010, you're old and lease and think this is what this was 2020 to 2020.
• 1:14:04
  Corie: It was because you you calling me Uncle.
• 1:14:06
  Corie: A little bit.
• 1:14:08
  Corie: Uncle Beaver, Uncle Ryan.
• 1:14:10
  Corie: No, but that uncle coming in, though.
• 1:14:14
  Corie: You know what's funny?
• 1:14:15
  Corie: Them youths in the hoppy team.
• 1:14:17
  Corie: I remember them here.
• 1:14:18
  Corie: There's like he played one of them.
• 1:14:19
  Corie: I think it was a Super Bowl song, and he's like, This is what I find is one of the greatest songs of all time because they just this person.
• 1:14:26
  Corie: So your time coming, they go, Uncle you all fast.
• 1:14:32
  Corie: But it's something you should do, you should consider it because you're seeing it from producer, from DJs in terms of reading crowd and at your own events, from seeing other DJs who you built a lot, and also doing the mixes because what people mightn't see with analytics.
• 1:14:46
  Corie: When you do a mix, you could see where people drop off.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_01: What you could see, you could see where it is, you could see it who's listening or whatever.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, there is a responsibility as well for someone like me to do the mixes, which is why I continue to do it.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's a it's not just about showcasing that you're good, you know, but there's a responsibility to the culture because it actually does help, right?
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Without things like starter and baby and me, you know, still putting those mixes out, it actually um is a hindrance for people who depend the people who are depending on you to learn this music is like you need to show up because it's like you playing your part to then let the bigger picture happen in a better way.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what the that is what the drive to still do, because the mixtape series is like I think arguably the longest run I knew of.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know anyone else who who make a mixtape as long as me.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_01: I suppose I I don't I I literally see nobody else.
• 1:15:43
  Corie: Yeah, so I see why you had to do that, right, Uncle?
• 1:15:45
  Corie: When you're not gonna do that.
• 1:15:46
  Corie: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:15:47
  Corie: But when the Uncle time come, you had to do it, you had to do that.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Even as a my run as private run as a headliner, like like it's been, I think, one of the longest runs of of relevancy in that sense, right?
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you think of it, in my in my teenage years, we were headlining as detrimental already.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I was in bass, I was in nuts, I was, you know, you know, on radio.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, no radio came after.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_01: So then, you know, as private Ryan, I did the run that included going to nuts with Chiny and um being on radio with jugglers and and and working with hoppy and since so there's that.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Then I went to college, right?
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Headlined alongside black Chinese and Renegade and all the Jamaican DJs and all the the soccer DJs that were coming up at that time, which included um the Barry hypes and the discipline.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Came back to Trinidad where E Ru of Red.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: So then headlining Doggy Slaughter, Chiny, um, everyone who I work with, and then also detrimental was put in readers.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_01: So that both Jace, who's on standard for 9 for 7, DJ Kevin, who who um well, I think he's moved away now.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, so it built all that, and then I went back out on tour, and then you know, I did the travel circuit, and there was uh there was the um there was nobody else there with me.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_01: So like I was there for the beginning of um carnival in Jamaica, um playing in Antigua, playing on this, that, whatever.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then now, then then went into my events era, soaker brainwash, this, that, yeah.
• 1:17:18
  Corie: So you understand why you're confused in that room because I hear you talking about things and I was like, when this man come out, you know what I mean?
• 1:17:23
  Corie: Because I think I do remember detrimental days.
• 1:17:26
  Corie: Yeah, so that was me.
• 1:17:27
  Corie: Yeah, 96 early days.
• 1:17:28
  Corie: I suppose, well, at them days, Shalon them working every single shift.
• 1:17:32
  Corie: It was it was for a long, long run.
• 1:17:34
  Corie: When you went away, what you went to study and what university you went to?
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_01: I did I went to FIU, big respect to the FIU people, you know.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, FIU and I did business, uh, marketing, economic analysis, those kind of things.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I I I I I I love those years because those years also introduced, they opened up my mind so much because I was able to be introduced to the world of music.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I met the He Shans and be like, oh, so this is what you're listening to.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Then I met the Jamaicans, oh, this is what you're listening to.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Lady Trinities is like, yeah, they had a different type of soccer that, you know, because you know, I always say, you know, like even especially when playing in New York, New York is a is a different kettle of fish when you're playing soccer because these teachers could actually play soccer.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I've seen Trinity just go to New York and flop because they don't know how to string it together for New York, New York different.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so like you start to learn the different little things, and then you go to other islands, you have to know when you go to Barbados, you have to know the bashment, when you go to Antigua, you have to know their music.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_01: When you go to Grenada, like don't come and play a trinity here, you know.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so I got molded into that most versatile DJ New World title because I literally live, and then there's a time in college I was playing in all hip hop clubs, yeah.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I play in trap.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_01: I played trap, I played all these things, and it's just like anytime I need to tap into that part of my brain, it's like I do it, so I could literally go and morph into a different DJ, like basically depending on what's in front of me.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Then I did clubs on South Beach, so I'm playing mainstream soft pop and house and medium and that kind of thing.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's hard to keep like now with all these hats, it is harder now to keep up with all because it's so much music, it is like worse now with so much music.
• 1:19:14
  Corie: There's a lot of music coming.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then I remember I introduced Afro in a big way because if you look back, I did an Africa series in the mixes, it's it's reached volume nine now.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_01: But when you look at when I did it, it was before Afrobeat blew up.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, how early was that?
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_01: That was I remember making that in my dorm room.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I did that.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I did that.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was in tune to African music long time, and then I put it on the mixes, and people's like, what is that you're playing?
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then people started to get into Afrobeat and stuff.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, it's a lot of different stories.
• 1:19:46
  Corie: Yeah, I see a whole bunch of different mixes because you used to do an RBC.
• 1:19:49
  Corie: RB, yeah.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_01: So before RB blew up, I was into RB.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was called Rebirth.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_01: That was the name of the series here.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was an RB series, and um, I just did strict RB and slows and like the full mix.
• 1:20:00
  Corie: Yeah, so imagine my surprise.
• 1:20:01
  Corie: Okay, I know I just know the soaker.
• 1:20:03
  Corie: So when my wife playing, I said, What's this?
• 1:20:04
  Corie: It's prepared and too.
• 1:20:05
  Corie: It's like I was like, Why are you bad boy?
• 1:20:08
  Corie: But that call for listening to real music to get out.
• 1:20:12
  Corie: Where that started with you?
• 1:20:13
  Corie: You're from a musical family, or yeah.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_01: My father and mother, you know, this they was playing records on the vinyl um in the house, like on Sundays or whatever.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll just as a child just be playing around with it.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_01: I speeding it up, I figuring it out, or it goes backwards, it goes forwards, it played faster.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this could mix with this.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Then I listened to the radio and was like, oh, I could make this play in the same at the same time.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I was literally learning the theory of mixing four bars and uh you know, you know, making sure that you you match the pitch control to make songs mix and stuff, and I was doing it and just understood it so that when I heard DJ's mixing, I was like, I know exactly what he's doing.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like he's he's the thing, and then the mixer, the idea of oh, that's how you mix.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then I started to practice scratching, so it's like, oh, that's how you do it.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I taught myself like literally everything that um almost everything I've done, I taught myself, nobody taught me anything.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_01: I just learned how to DJ, I picked up the iPad, made songs, I I created soccer brainwash.
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_01: That template didn't exist before, so like you're learning in real time to just make stuff.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_01: I could draw, so I draw stuff like anyone know, like I sketched, you know, my logos, the cups in the office, you know.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I have an idea, it's like come, let me, and I just draw it.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh yeah.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Where are you here, bro?
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Maravil at first, and then I moved to Digga Martin.
• 1:21:38
  Corie: Oh, I see, I see, I see.
• 1:21:40
  Corie: I understand.
• 1:21:40
  Corie: So learning that on your own, and your parents just had music, it wasn't DJs, it wasn't parts of it.
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think my father probably played in college parties, and I never really talked to him about it, but like, why did he have so many records?
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_01: But my great-grandfather had a really like extensive still day.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_01: I actually want to go through it because I want to listen, it's so much legend older music, and you know, it's 45s and Frank Sinatra and Julia Iglesias and everything, so like it was so many different things, and then he had my father had like a lot of calypso and reggae, and so I have rockers and things, and I know if I go back there and I start to even rip those songs and put them in my steps, I'll find shans of people like where are you getting all this?
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_01: I have all of that, and so uh he from that it was the core of me just playing music, loving it, and then appreciating old songs.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_01: So then, you know, because all the all the Tamboo records and David Ruther albums and shadow and those things is records I don't know.
• 1:22:38
  Corie: Physical, yeah.
• 1:22:39
  Corie: Trying to understand this private rhyme a little bit now, and I understand it.
• 1:22:42
  Corie: Yeah, it makes sense.
• 1:22:43
  Corie: It makes sense.
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_01: When I have to, when I'm put in situations where I have to play sessions like that, I don't feel uncomfortable.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh this is my childhood.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I never got to see those people live like that in their prime.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_01: So of course I was too young.
• 1:22:55
  Corie: Yeah, no, and you know, even you talking about that by Hoppy and them.
• 1:22:59
  Corie: When I hear you say some of them things, I was like, Well, he was not side, it's not weird, you know, because of it's the knowledge.
• 1:23:04
  Corie: I see it too, just random, but I see it with DJ Hottie too, young brother DJ.
• 1:23:08
  Corie: I remember when them fellas was inside during the pandemic, I was thinking, how does you know so much of music, but the sunny father was a DJ and things too so many times.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's when you that's when you have like a parent who is very musically inclined and and was in it, like you remember, like being a child, you're a sponge.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: So like you absorb information and you're learning fast, your brain is firing and all it's like it's a superpower.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Being a child is actually a superpower, so that's why you have to be careful what you expose your children to and stuff.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, with me, because I was exposed to music, my my mother and father never they never um shun upon me being a DJ.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Their one thing with me was like, make sure and get your education, make sure and do your schoolwork, make sure and study, and anything could have now fed, but be educated.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so I honored that.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, when I was in college, I would that's what I said.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_01: I used to fly and used to do my mid terms, I used to think and then show up in the fed.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_01: I am on the plane, literally doing homework in between.
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, even while I was in um my senior years, I am I have group projects.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, like on the Sunday is the group project in the library.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be like, guys, I'll be back.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go into Atlanta, but I'll make it back for three, and I'll be in the group project.
• 1:24:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so I am there doing my like I've played the night before.
• 1:24:21
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm like, oh, I'm in the middle seat.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, because that's like you know, it's like you can't call your seat preferences and thing, and then it's just and then you're just doing your work, and then you show up to here, guys.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm back.
• 1:24:35
  Corie: Well, no, we know price by quantity, no more middle seat, right?
• 1:24:38
  Corie: There's no more middle seat.
• 1:24:39
  Corie: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not, absolutely not.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'll sit all the way.
• 1:24:45
  Corie: So them early days is starting detrimental is when you jump out and DJing.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Detrimental was the um was the first um group, like like it was myself and a guy called Brent, and we used we we formed the sound.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's more St.
• 1:24:59
  Corie: Mary's mental woman, you know.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is St.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Mary's, all St.
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Mary's, except for one guy, and um then there were two girls.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_01: So Detrimental is like a St.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Mary's song is what it's representing.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a St.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Mary's song.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_01: So Detrimental was the one representing St.
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Mary's, but did it well.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when he had a song that you know came out that like at that time in his butt and phases was Zygon, but Zygon used to look after us, yeah.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Detrimental.
• 1:25:21
  Corie: I wonder if people would remember what you know what I mean.
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Detrimental had a whole Iran legacy, is like the juggling sound, just like radioactive, was detrimental.
• 1:25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all the up tongue parties was detrimental, and that was me, the I was the DJ for detrimental.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, imagine that.
• 1:25:36
  SPEAKER_01: And the plates and everything detrimental.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we still have all those double plates in Bujou and Bounty and all those things.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we still have those things, yeah.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just never have a chance to use them again.
• 1:25:45
  Corie: I mean, you should have come out and help it the other day.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they would have loved that.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I use I'll use more the private Ryan plates in general.
• 1:25:52
  Corie: I would imagine, I would imagine.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd use it because then now too much time has passed.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean that's if you remember detrimental, you remember those plates.
• 1:25:58
  SPEAKER_01: But I have plates people never heard plenty, yeah.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, plenty.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_01: People be like, Where are you gonna?
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Detrimental was clashing and thing at the time, or just we never really went into the clashing thing, you know.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_01: We were really focused on on being like uh uh crowd pleasing, juggling song.
• 1:26:13
  SPEAKER_01: We never really went into the clashing, but we were into it because we loved it, we were always there, you know that era.
• 1:26:18
  Corie: All of it just it was a thing that you had love, you know.
• 1:26:21
  Corie: I mean, just looking forward and the whole era of new songs coming out was it was a vibe because you get accustomed to the happen.
• 1:26:28
  Corie: So when you say you was in shop lock and them thing, I don't know if people remember.
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was, yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_01: We was there.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_01: We clash rapper response and um delegates.
• 1:26:35
  Corie: Remember that?
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we were the clash before the clash.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, young song class.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right, it was the young song class, yeah.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like oh god, this young song thing, yeah.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_01: So we were the young song clash, and so we we had that time, you know.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was part of the song system clash era as well.
• 1:26:53
  Corie: In them days, and you all forming a group, you're known as a DJ in St.
• 1:26:56
  Corie: Mary's at the time.
• 1:26:57
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody knew, so everybody knew, especially the people who used to party and they used to go to bass on the Friday.
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_01: They used to look forward to you all playing tonight, it's like, yeah, we're on tonight.
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_01: And the Mayfair circuit and all of that.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, the Mafia.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_01: I did Fatima Mayfair Bishops.
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_01: I played an all St.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Mary's Mayfair.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, they go second year.
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, we did we did all those Mayfairs and things too, man.
• 1:27:18
  Corie: Right.
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I met all those guys as headliners, all cell construction, all of them, they were there, they were there already, and we would eat young song.
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_01: And like we always used to, people used to we used to take people by surprise, like, all right, let me see what you have.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then when we went to an shell, people was like, Well, wait now, yeah, that's bad.
• 1:27:35
  Corie: Yeah, there's no such thing as no young sound.
• 1:27:37
  Corie: Nah, no, no, I always find that young sound thing with hope and them was a kind of making sure.
• 1:27:41
  Corie: I want to say fair because when you say zygon delegates and detrimental, yeah.
• 1:27:47
  Corie: And maybe I don't know what they use a class associate degree as.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_01: Now, associate degree was there with us.
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_01: I saw you rise an associate degree too with the right after hoppy and them, right?
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, but but associate degree was also a force to be reckoned with.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's nothing kill and and kill.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Gun and sing on them, yeah, man.
• 1:28:01
  Corie: Aki was bad, and then um who was on Zygon again?
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Zygon was was David, yeah, David, Eve, um, and was one of them on NCI see with me.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_01: So like I knew the whole move.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Zygon came out today.
• 1:28:16
  Corie: Yeah, the part stops to this.
• 1:28:17
  Corie: I was really here to just convince you to put it back on Fatty McGrongs in the barrage dying probably in April.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Talk to school and level.
• 1:28:28
  Corie: So moving out from what when is it as you decided you're going out on your own as a radio DJ?
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it was it was naturally, you know.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_01: So what happened is that um I I naturally just went to college.
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, what happened was is that while Detrimental was on red and I was part of Detrimental as Private Ryan.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_01: So Private Ryan used to play with Doggy Slaughter in the afternoon, and then we used to have to return to do the overnight, right?
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I would leave working with slaughter with a headache, of course, because you know slaughter is intense, and I'll tell you why I had a headache.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I would I would return to then work alongside Jason Kevin as they did the overnight shift.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I would go home, I'll be home by about six because then time radioactive come on.
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go on, eat, sleep, wake back up, be back on your radio.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_01: But then one night, um coming back from down the islands, I got in a car crash.
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_01: And from that car crash, I was on the way to the radio station, right?
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then I said, Kevin, you need to go and do the Kevin and Jace, you're on your own this time.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_01: And they then went and did this ship, and then I was like, I don't need to be there no more.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so I used to go quit with slaughter.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_01: So back to the headache comment.
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_01: So before everyone started using laptops, you know, they have the CD bag, right?
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I knew it by heart or whatever.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_01: So what would happen is that you'll put in, you'll you select the song you're gonna play, say Slaughter, I'm gonna play, let's say a beanie man.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Okay, cool.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Slaughter would only mic, and he's like, nah, play Dr.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Cassandra instead.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_01: I remember one year a day it really was Dr.
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Cassandra.
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do a throwback, play Dr.
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_01: Cassandra.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_01: We have literally 20 seconds left till till we live on air again.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I have to eat like to imagine the process injecting the CD, take it out, find him Dr.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Sandra, put it in, it's like, yeah, Dr.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, oh my god, right.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_01: And you just have to listen, and this would be every day.
• 1:30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Slow so we'll just uh he would just cover things and like yo, I cannot do this this fast right now.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_01: But then eventually, and this is a true story.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like from being in college, I I then saw DJs playing from the laptops, and I was like, why how would they why are they using tin tables and they have laptops?
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then I discovered what would become Scratch Live, right?
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I came back here and I started coming radio with my laptop.
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_01: I used to unplug everything, play with my laptop saying, Dog, what's this shit you doing?
• 1:30:58
  SPEAKER_01: You you sell out right on, you're playing from the laptop.
• 1:31:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's not real DJ.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_01: I remember something just telling me, it's like, boy, I'll never give him my CDs and my my records and thing, whatever.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_01: I said, guys, trust me, this is the future.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I literally went and parties with my little laptop.
• 1:31:13
  SPEAKER_01: I used to play this.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, a picture of me and Trevlin playing in um um a pool party.
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what was the name of something house?
• 1:31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god, Star House.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Star House, right?
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_01: I played in a Star House party and have that picture.
• 1:31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Me, that the computer, Trevelyin Michael, and I just dare play it.
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_01: And people was like, What?
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_01: And but then that became the industry standard, you know.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, like a lot of things, as I said, from traveling and just stories, you know, yeah, it became the industry because she normally.
• 1:31:43
  Corie: Yeah, that's one of my memories, and you and Charles the two people who I have in my mind like that, where I just remember you always being on radio.
• 1:31:50
  Corie: It doesn't matter who was talking.
• 1:31:51
  Corie: That's where I'd seen it back then.
• 1:31:52
  Corie: It doesn't matter who was on.
• 1:31:54
  Corie: Shal definitely, Charles definitely was on radio.
• 1:31:55
  Corie: Yeah, Shal was crazy.
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_01: If it's one thing, they can't say, Shall I Charl work for where he is?
• 1:32:03
  Corie: But even to a point where I had found that Shal people a lot of people start songing like Shal on radio after that.
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, the the development of of how they sounded, Charles is a template that people use undeniable.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_01: Now they sound like themselves, but Shal was the reference point because remember, everybody, it like that era of radio before there were any distractions was a legendary time where they dominate.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know if there's that you will ever see that whereas like on radio, people literally locked in from 9 in the morning straight till 99 years like in the 90 night because the song systems took over the radio that day, and like it wasn't even just about 96.1, but then in the when 98.9 was also firing as well, too, like self-construction and shot Master J and all, and Devon and all them before they they don't shot Cross the Red and those things.
• 1:33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like radio was excited, like you literally the two were were going head to head, but the song system era was the entertainment era that you're not seeing that I don't you're not seeing that.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_01: I guess you saw the thing now, but I remember I I forget until I was talking to Umbo about dance all good to me, and what I was like waiting until nighttime to hear about it because you're hearing things that you didn't hear, but but the difference is that the DJs weren't just DJs, they had they had a movement, and so the why it was it's so iconic is because it wasn't just and it's only when you grow uh into business you understand what but um they did by accident is they created brands, they weren't just talents, no, they were literal brands for sure.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_01: They were identified with a color.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_01: So imagine like like thinking about yellow, and it's like radioactive, red, accaliber, blue, maximum.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course, of course.
• 1:33:52
  Corie: You see it the other night where people come out to Soundford.
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_01: When they came out to Sound Forge, it's like, yeah, I yellow is radioactive, yeah.
• 1:33:58
  Corie: People back in this.
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_01: So when you create a brand, is when it's gone way beyond the talent, is that I believe in you because you are this.
• 1:34:05
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, I I mean I've seen you are Maximilian Man, yeah, for sure.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_01: So if Maxi Umba come out, just like yo, I Umba is yeah, regardless of brand.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, with you like y'all are all good, but I like Umba, yeah, and as you think.
• 1:34:17
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, the and so that's where now come full circle when they come out to soaker brainwash Jesus, private random for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure.
• 1:34:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's basically what it is, yeah.
• 1:34:29
  SPEAKER_01: A brand.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_01: So they believe in the brand to bring quality and do those things, and people who would well know and then even from doing these interviews and stuff, understand the legacy of it.
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_01: It they'll understand that this thing just happened overnight.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is a culmination of several eras and things that I have done over time that has brought me to this point where I'm expressing myself in all different ways, you know.
• 1:34:53
  Corie: Yeah, and that's why I appreciate people for coming and telling these stories.
• 1:34:56
  Corie: Because I mean, the truth is some of these things, I was there, like I remember some of these things, but even me, it's be like, wait, what?
• 1:35:01
  Corie: Because it's feel like if you know, when you're young, right?
• 1:35:04
  Corie: So I say like in your 20s or as a teenager.
• 1:35:07
  Corie: I mean, yeah, no, look at the company you keep it.
• 1:35:13
  Corie: You know, when he's 18, right?
• 1:35:15
  Corie: Somebody who's 21 is a big man.
• 1:35:17
  Corie: You know, you used to think this thing like somebody real old.
• 1:35:20
  Corie: So it's like we're not separated by as much years, but he's be discovering a lot about people here.
• 1:35:25
  Corie: But I actually asked the same question with Charles.
• 1:35:28
  Corie: You see DJs, the way they say announcers kind of pattern themselves with Charles Assembly.
• 1:35:33
  Corie: You saw DJs taking patterns from some of the things you were doing differently.
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, yeah, it's all over the place, it's pervasive now.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, from the mixtapes to the like little things like fast mixing, playing songs faster, like those are all signatures of what I would do, right?
• 1:35:49
  Corie: Yeah, even the thing you were talking about, which I didn't understand, and the whole thing with the stems.
• 1:35:53
  Corie: Yeah.
• 1:35:53
  Corie: Because as a listener, you're just listening, and I always remember how long it just used to feel to me like an instrumental playing.
• 1:35:59
  Corie: When the slot to say where you say British, you say she said it, and it building up until you play was your first song.
• 1:36:05
  Corie: Yeah.
• 1:36:05
  Corie: And I have one in my head here where it was with Shal.
• 1:36:08
  Corie: It was with uh, I believe it's Kess, was your first song on that mix?
• 1:36:11
  SPEAKER_01: 2015 soccer start.
• 1:36:12
  Corie: It was 2015, yeah.
• 1:36:13
  Corie: I guess emblazoned and everything.
• 1:36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's he that's he that's a signature downloaded soaker mix of all time.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not numbers now.
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I see.
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Every platform is one is millions.
• 1:36:26
  SPEAKER_01: Several of them 3.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it's and you know the the thing is is that it wasn't even me who uploaded it, it was someone who uploaded it.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, seriously, so they yeah, it wasn't me who uploaded it, you know.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_01: So that got millions of views, and it was I know it's that worked for branding.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_01: You collaborated me now.
• 1:36:40
  SPEAKER_01: It worked for Brandon, it worked for Brandon, it would, but it wasn't me who uploaded it, and boy, it's just millions all over the place, and like every single day.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I kid you not, every day I get tagged in that mix.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_01: I could imagine, I could imagine.
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh 2015 soccer starters, 2015 soccer starters.
• 1:36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Guys, I've made other soccer starters, but they love that one because that yeah was an amazing year for music as well.
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_01: But it's also you know, the beginning of how it was put together, that became the template for how a lot of people put their mixes together when they release their mixes.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_01: So there are a lot of mixes around soccer starter time that come out now.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone has and then even people like if you look back, I used to call it sopler.
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_01: People still calling it in sampler.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh so, like what you see the derivatives of it people turning their mixtap into parties.
• 1:37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Look at Travis, Turnitabloud, then it became Tinata Blood event.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_01: You look at themed events, you see that influence in the themed events now.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_01: So now everyone has a theme.
• 1:37:35
  SPEAKER_01: Call names?
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, okay.
• 1:37:40
  SPEAKER_01: So now you're seeing the themes, you're seeing now people designing cups, you're seeing people that so a lot of things that you're creatively, just naturally, you know, over time, you know, you know, been doing you're seeing it now in different places, but people wouldn't realize where it came from.
• 1:37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Even a simple thing with soccer brainwash.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Look at the era before so brainwash, day parties were just day parties, nothing.
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_01: But then we decided to create this truss with overhead cloth and all the things.
• 1:38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what is the template for day parties?
• 1:38:09
  Corie: Yeah, everybody.
• 1:38:10
  Corie: Yeah, well, they had to follow Jesus.
• 1:38:13
  SPEAKER_01: They don't follow it.
• 1:38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but those are all things that you know you see a lot of the influence, and and it's good.
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, like for me, it's like which is where you know you get inspiration later now.
• 1:38:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, what's next?
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_01: So, like the inspiration is like, what do I do next that is going to be the thing that is the next cultural shift?
• 1:38:33
  Corie: Yeah, and even I want to get to back to the production where I feel like you have that same footprint, but I've seen and you would have seen too.
• 1:38:40
  Corie: We see where every event, every major event that's talked about among the the in-crowd is island people.
• 1:38:47
  Corie: And then we see Caesar's army, or you know, you see several different, but I I I always look at your event and I say, but if you do this refresh constantly every year, I wonder if it could be one of the first people we see break that Cliff Harris and Roy Mirage thing where it just gets faded and you can't just you just car through events again.
• 1:39:04
  Corie: I wonder.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_01: I I would I would I would hope that at the point I would exit before that point and just transition to something.
• 1:39:13
  SPEAKER_01: I would not want to spoily legacy of of what we would have taken years to build.
• 1:39:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it's harder now only because, you know, obviously, you know, you have so many things now going on competition-wise, and they're trying to take all or some of the elements that you would have done.
• 1:39:29
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, it's a lot of distractions.
• 1:39:31
  Corie: Of course.
• 1:39:32
  SPEAKER_01: So you now have to be very competitive, and then there's a new what happened is that the pandemic also introduced a new wave of partiers, of course.
• 1:39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Some of whom never been to Brainwash.
• 1:39:41
  SPEAKER_01: So then they don't have any frame of reference as to what happened.
• 1:39:43
  Corie: Yeah, they're looking for the university.
• 1:39:45
  SPEAKER_01: So they're looking for their own stuff now.
• 1:39:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, you how do you now let them bring them into your world to see, wow, I I need to bring more people to this, and that's where you know you're at.
• 1:39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have to understand that the continents change, and you know, if I do decide to end event or evolve it in a way where you know it it really brings in more, you know, you know, those are the things you have to figure out.
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_01: But if it's a constant, you know, you have to the will is moving faster.
• 1:40:10
  Corie: Well, you're always in pivot mode, so production is one of them where you're you're doing it, and the arguments you're made by Hoppy, you would want one list that I didn't agree with at all at the time.
• 1:40:19
  Corie: I was like, this man promoting himself.
• 1:40:20
  Corie: I say, I see where it is at me.
• 1:40:22
  Corie: This man is a genius.
• 1:40:23
  Corie: Was feeling love, yeah.
• 1:40:24
  Corie: Uh, the argument for feeling love being on this.
• 1:40:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was advocating for it.
• 1:40:28
  Corie: I changed my mind more and more every day.
• 1:40:31
  Corie: Yeah, because I listen to the music this year, and you listen to it too.
• 1:40:35
  Corie: You contribute into the music this year, and the feel of the music this year is closer to Calypso than I've ever seen.
• 1:40:41
  Corie: You talk about our 80s era.
• 1:40:43
  Corie: It is, it's new age calypso.
• 1:40:44
  Corie: It's new age calypso.
• 1:40:46
  Corie: So when I listen back to Philip, what Philila felt like, I didn't talk more about song like now, right?
• 1:40:52
  Corie: What when you hear it on your you didn't know what exactly didn't know what it was.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_01: What's this?
• 1:40:57
  Corie: Yeah, and there's a lot of ways this music now that that that uh at least some of the competition among islands and stuff, these today, y'all, some of the other producers as well, find a groove here that it takes it taking us back for me back to our time, yeah, and and and maybe forwards and other things.
• 1:41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah that transcends way beyond the actual festival of carnival.
• 1:41:20
  SPEAKER_01: So what you have is a lot of that, and that's what feeling love still is.
• 1:41:25
  SPEAKER_01: So feel love could play, you know, like when people complain about you're hearing too much old music in your parties or this, whatever.
• 1:41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_01: If you play feeling love, they they never say that.
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_01: They'd be like, Oh, I love this.
• 1:41:36
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is music.
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_01: They'll never complain about feeling, but that's the lane Freetown is in right now, too, because their music every year since that.
• 1:41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because Freetown was niche before Philip catapulted them into mainstream soccer dumb.
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the so when Mohammed himself didn't want to do so, he didn't want to do Calypso at all.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_01: I remember we had these conversations, you know, with with classmates and friends, and I would have this conversation with him, and he said he didn't know if he wanted to be in that space, and then he realized that he could contribute a higher frequency.
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's trying to to talk to the wine and the bam bam and the rum.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_01: He said, But I could come here and do this and bring a higher frequency of clips and soak in our own way, and that's how I will contribute to my culture and look at what has now happened with them, right?
• 1:42:23
  SPEAKER_01: So they are a welcome injection into our culture and anticipated, right?
• 1:42:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's people want to see what they're coming with, just like Teja, you know, just like Kutter now.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, like people are looking at what is Tano gonna do as a producer, like because they're looking at them for these songs and these songs.
• 1:42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Philly Love was the one of the beginnings of that type of soaker, it's just that the pandemic paused us.
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's amazing.
• 1:42:48
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so they did get to toe on Philly Love the way they should have that year, but then now it it it worked out for them because now they are staples and they are doing their own thing as well.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_01: The same we're trying to create with Mila.
• 1:43:01
  SPEAKER_01: So Lost and Trinbago, when I saw the response to it, as like I immediately said, This is going on the same trajectory, feeling loved it.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, as if I was like, I'm seeing it, and I and I remember the point when I and it's so funny because I'm about to experience it, it's actually so and I was standing in soca um that year, I think it was in the savannah, and feeling love came on, and everybody knew the song, and I didn't even realize it was that big then.
• 1:43:26
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's saying, Can you feel it?
• 1:43:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember it's like wow, and Lost and Chinvago is going on the same path.
• 1:43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm seeing it, and it's just gonna bubble and bubble until it's like dizzy song for us.
• 1:43:37
  Corie: Yeah, that's a prediction.
• 1:43:39
  Corie: Yeah, I see it happen slowly but surely because I can tell you in the beginning, I was looking at her performance, and again, it's such a different song, the feel of it.
• 1:43:47
  Corie: But I had that similar with feeling love, like how the hell you come with an open thing.
• 1:43:50
  Corie: What what that beat any opening of that whoa, right?
• 1:43:53
  Corie: What was going on?
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Feely Love was actually supposed to be the theme song for Sukar Brinwashi Wonderland.
• 1:43:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I was looking for a feel-good song that will take us to another place.
• 1:44:05
  SPEAKER_01: So when you hear the words, take me to the ocean, take me to the sea, right?
• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_01: It was trying to create that wonderland feel.
• 1:44:11
  SPEAKER_01: So I sat down.
• 1:44:12
  SPEAKER_01: The first part of the beat we did was the dun dun dun dun dun dun.
• 1:44:17
  SPEAKER_01: So that was okay.
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then we I I I had an inspiration from him from an EDM song about um, it's called Love Generation.
• 1:44:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I like I uh the guitar.
• 1:44:28
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, so I went by sheriff and said, Sheriff, play these guitars like this, exactly like this, right?
• 1:44:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's how we did that, right?
• 1:44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, then we put together um the drums and percussions.
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really good with drums and percussions.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_01: So me and my collaborate, 30 time, Kevin.
• 1:44:43
  SPEAKER_01: We we put together, you know, a lot of those things.
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_01: I said I wanted a little knock.
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, Kishav, you know, you could make it drive a little.
• 1:44:50
  SPEAKER_01: So he was, you know, that part of it.
• 1:44:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then the last part of it, I remember having a conversation.
• 1:44:55
  SPEAKER_01: We're going through all the ad lib tracks um Mohammed had.
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Ryan, you need to listen to this.
• 1:45:01
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where we found the made your heart find piece.
• 1:45:04
  SPEAKER_01: And and and we we took the vocal chops and put it in.
• 1:45:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then the last thing I added is um um the pan dun dun dun dun dun dun.
• 1:45:13
  SPEAKER_01: I remember right before, like days before we supposed to release it.
• 1:45:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yo, this groove here is it make it badder.
• 1:45:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then that was feeling love.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_01: We put it out.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I hope the world likes this.
• 1:45:24
  SPEAKER_01: But no, actually, no wait, it was two years.
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, we had to wait two years, so we would we were developing developing it.
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_01: What serious was that like?
• 1:45:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then it came out in 2020.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, remember that's when it came out, so it's like it came out at the right time, like, and then it will shut down.
• 1:45:37
  Corie: Yeah, boy, imagine that.
• 1:45:39
  Corie: It's a good thing, Mohammed and them didn't take that as a sign.
• 1:45:42
  Corie: It's like we do something, the world shut down, we should stop.
• 1:45:44
  SPEAKER_01: We should stop, but like if I could stop, I could have entry tongue, boy.
• 1:45:50
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, all as well that ends well, yeah.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_01: And and that that is, you know, and then Kess had loved the beats, you know, and and Kess was reason to love.
• 1:45:58
  SPEAKER_01: She's a derivative of the rhythm, he's on it, but not because he's the same elements, but he's just slightly slower.
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's reason to love, feeling love, and and those two uh go hand in hand.
• 1:46:07
  SPEAKER_01: So Kess also loves to perform Reason to Love as well, too.
• 1:46:10
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:11
  Corie: Yeah, you see the reaction from people is a feel.
• 1:46:14
  SPEAKER_01: Kyla was almost on it, you know.
• 1:46:15
  SPEAKER_01: She has a demo, but they never released.
• 1:46:17
  Corie: I do gotta, we're gonna need that for the clips, right?
• 1:46:20
  Corie: Before we go once David's wrong, then he can die when you tell me we're running all the time.
• 1:46:24
  Corie: Kyle Sina looks aggressive in the face.
• 1:46:26
  Corie: I don't have to say still enjoying DJing on them kind of thing before we get back to Brainwash and say is enjoy it.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_01: I love DJing.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_01: DJing is my is my heart.
• 1:46:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I can, you know, the funny thing is me is I can I can keep up with all the the new DJs.
• 1:46:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can keep up with, you know, well, I've seen a lot of them fall to the wayside who don't DJ anymore.
• 1:46:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I travel on a high-level DJing.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I've represented Trinidad on high, like sold out Times Square last year.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_01: I won Caribbean International Caribbean DJ of the Year last year as well.
• 1:46:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, these are things that people don't even realize.
• 1:46:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I just won these awards.
• 1:46:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, cool, and I just continue about life because I just move on, right?
• 1:47:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I I do love DJ and it's like the heart and soul of why I create all even these experiences because it's also an opportunity for me to express myself as a DJ, but I also am now in the process of creating a space for the new private Ryan's, the new DJs.
• 1:47:18
  SPEAKER_01: So, like even with Brainwash, I don't play last anymore.
• 1:47:21
  SPEAKER_01: I've actually now taken myself off the last slot and I give it to somebody else.
• 1:47:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm second to last.
• 1:47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:47:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so these are the things that you know I'm doing as we we transition, you know, you can't see the same all the time.
• 1:47:32
  Corie: Yeah, how you accepting it?
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_01: I accept it, you know, I accept it, but you know, I still gonna be on tour as DJ Private Ryan and in parties as private Ryan as well, too.
• 1:47:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so I have to still research the music, still download it, still practice.
• 1:47:45
  SPEAKER_01: I still have to keep the work ethic high as a DJ, but also have to be on the back end with production and planning and stuff too.
• 1:47:52
  Corie: So it's a lot of hats.
• 1:47:53
  Corie: Yeah, songs impossible to be honest.
• 1:47:55
  Corie: You know what I mean?
• 1:47:55
  Corie: Just to keep up with the amount of music that's coming out on sticker.
• 1:47:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I still have to go and make sure I have like even the songs that are not, as we talked earlier, the songs that are not in starter, go and look and be like, okay, these need to be in Brainwash.
• 1:48:07
  SPEAKER_01: You working on this now.
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I actually think I'm gonna record Brainwash this week and then just have it ready.
• 1:48:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think anything else is really gonna come out.
• 1:48:14
  SPEAKER_01: All right, but Brainwash, you gotta kind of wait.
• 1:48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Brainwash, you usually have to wait on releases and and those things.
• 1:48:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I think just based on this season, like I think everyone's gonna hold their music back now.
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_01: They're done.
• 1:48:26
  Corie: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:27
  Corie: Season done.
• 1:48:28
  Corie: It's full.
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's full, no, it's full, it full.
• 1:48:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you're not out and bubbling now, it it actually almost makes no sense because you how are you gonna push your song in the short space of time, you know?
• 1:48:38
  Corie: Makes sense, makes sense.
• 1:48:39
  Corie: So that's it.
• 1:48:40
  Corie: Yeah, well, before you I really had to ask you who's who all you are in the same brainwash, but we had to find out who this artist is.
• 1:48:45
  Corie: When this coming out, the week before brainwash, brainwash week.
• 1:48:48
  SPEAKER_01: Who is the artist we have in place?
• 1:48:50
  SPEAKER_01: Decided?
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's coming on to three people.
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I'm actually in the process of deciding who's gonna be, you know, but but it they will all be great choice.
• 1:49:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I announce it, they'll be like, oh, wicked.
• 1:49:02
  Corie: Yeah, we're taking that and you DJing on your road this year and everything.
• 1:49:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm a tribe this year.
• 1:49:08
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:49:08
  Corie: Again, that's one of the places I look forward to being.
• 1:49:11
  Corie: Uh I play in tribe when I was way too old for tribe.
• 1:49:13
  Corie: Yeah, but uh when you when you reach by your truck, you could get yeah, you could get vibes, you could get uncle experience, you know what I mean?
• 1:49:20
  Corie: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:49:22
  Corie: No worse, vibes, vibes, vibes.
• 1:49:23
  Corie: Well, the truck is one.
• 1:49:24
  Corie: I'm sure you're here all the time.
• 1:49:25
  Corie: People look forward to seeing it.
• 1:49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I lost one of my colleagues uh last year, which is back to basics.
• 1:49:32
  SPEAKER_01: He used to be on the truck, he was on the truck with me up to last year, imagine.
• 1:49:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then right after that, you know, you you you just decline.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, we're gonna meet, yeah, that's life, you know.
• 1:49:40
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why I I live by, you know, enjoy it, be inspired.
• 1:49:44
  SPEAKER_01: And like I I like if I have an idea, I try to bring it to life.
• 1:49:47
  SPEAKER_01: You have no, there's no guarantee of time, you know.
• 1:49:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so you have to just do what you do it.
• 1:49:53
  SPEAKER_01: Do it do it when you can do it.
• 1:49:55
  Corie: Yeah, well, brother, I appreciate you.
• 1:49:56
  Corie: I appreciate you doing it.
• 1:49:57
  Corie: I appreciate it, congrats on everything that you're doing.
• 1:49:59
  Corie: Thank you, thank you.
• 1:50:00
  Corie: We'd be looking forward to your um to your to your lists.
• 1:50:04
  Corie: I feel what we need is more lists.
• 1:50:06
  Corie: Not to perfectly one list.