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Brennen Wilkinson: Squint | Furnace Fest 2025 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Today we've got Brennan from Squint. Brennan super excited to
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: chat with you. I literally I think it's been less
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: than one minute since I've ever seen your face. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and I already know that. I think I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: like you, just saying, like, just immediate vibes alone. Just
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  Speaker 1: a big fan of you, know, big fan of you.
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  Speaker 1: You picked the right member of the band, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because the other guys, Yeah, I'm sure, I'm I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: I don't get the right vibes from the right the
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  Speaker 1: other guys in the band, but at least you, I
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  Speaker 1: get the right vibes from faces alone. Very they you know,
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  Speaker 1: they'll turn you off. But yeah, well there's a reason
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  Speaker 1: why I like You're like, you're the singer of the band, right, yep, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well there's a reason why they're singing the van the
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  Speaker 1: band because you know, of course, like you got you
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  Speaker 1: got to be the most attractive dude in the band
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  Speaker 1: if you're gonna want to be the singer, right.
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  Speaker 2: Especially Mason has a terrible male gaze.
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  Speaker 1: He just he just now honestly, really, what do you
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  Speaker 1: mean by like that I gaze at the men terribly,
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  Speaker 1: or that I like I can't help, but like I
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  Speaker 1: can't help but stare at the men like.
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  Speaker 2: What terrible And it's terrible because you're judging that based
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  Speaker 2: off of their looks.
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  Speaker 1: Now, humbly, we're pretty pretty good looking.
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  Speaker 2: Group of guys, you know, I'd say, yeah, honestly, so
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  Speaker 2: very in shape. I can tell you that too.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You guys all look like you could potentially be Irish
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  Speaker 2: brawlers from the eighteen hundreds if you just changed.
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  Speaker 1: All those you know, I definitely I think I have
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  Speaker 1: both of those things in my bloodline. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: we you know, we just prioritize our health. And you
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  Speaker 1: know it's also you know, like when you're touring non stop,
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  Speaker 1: not NonStop, but you know you're touring pretty regularly, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, you just gotta take care of yourself, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you never know, you know what's going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: so you have to, you know, stay physically fit.
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  Speaker 2: And you know it's true, but those tornados from the
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  Speaker 2: gas station are calling your name.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I mean, as long as you're hitting your
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  Speaker 1: protein goals, you know, get it by any means necessary,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And we've we've got a vegan in the
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  Speaker 1: band and he's still hitting his goals. So literally no
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  Speaker 1: one has any excuses, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, so it's clearly no excuse. No, I mean the
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  Speaker 3: man Darren's chickpeas.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I will say I've actually I have
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  Speaker 1: literally thought about this before, just because Colin and I
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  Speaker 1: interview so many different kinds of bands, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: almost all the bands that we interview are are touring bands.
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  Speaker 1: And I have thought about this before, where at some point,
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  Speaker 1: if you have enough dietary restrictions, you just aren't able
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  Speaker 1: to be in a band.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it coulds hard.
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  Speaker 1: At least you're not able to be a band at
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  Speaker 1: a like a sort of like the kind of band
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  Speaker 1: that would like tour in a van rather than the bus.
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  Speaker 1: Like you're just at some point you're just you're not
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  Speaker 1: able to be in a band like vegan. Okay, Like
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  Speaker 1: there's maybe enough exceptions out there, at least in this
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  Speaker 1: world now, likeeah, maybe twenty years ago that probably didn't exist,
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  Speaker 1: but now it probably is possible to like be a
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  Speaker 1: vegan in a band that's like touring in a van.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say, like if you were gluten free
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  Speaker 1: and dairy free, well, I guess like most vegans are
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  Speaker 1: dairy free. But like if you're gluten free and a vegan,
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  Speaker 1: good luck, you're screw. Like at that point, it's like
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  Speaker 1: you're just like you're just sucking down water the entire tour,
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  Speaker 1: Like I just like don't know what else you're gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Be able to eat.
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  Speaker 1: I've I've seen it firsthand with when we were the
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  Speaker 1: first time we went over to Europe. We toured with
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  Speaker 1: our label mates and from Belgium called fever Child, and
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  Speaker 1: their singer is gluten free, like bad, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: he will have bad stomach problems if he does it.
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  Speaker 1: We found out and because nowhere, you know, they were
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  Speaker 1: like gluten free, you know, like this is pasta. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know what gluten is and you know, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jehan paid the price multiple times.
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  Speaker 3: But but have.
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  Speaker 1: You ever toured with somebody who's gluten or not gluten
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  Speaker 1: into Have you ever toured with somebody who's lactose intolerant
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  Speaker 1: but decides to eat some lactose?
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  Speaker 3: No, luckily, because I've had.
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  Speaker 1: Some dorm mates that like that, and they're not particularly great.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't imagine like on a bus or a
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  Speaker 1: van like that would be great either. The closest I've
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  Speaker 1: come to that was we toured with my old band,
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  Speaker 1: toured with a band from Florida called the head Creeps.
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  Speaker 1: I'll name them because the guy with them wasn't in
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  Speaker 1: the band.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to out him in.
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  Speaker 1: Case he's still vegan or anything, but basically their merch
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  Speaker 1: guy after the Saint Louis show, you know, indulge in
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit of substances and stuff and uh blacked out,
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  Speaker 1: as some would say.
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  Speaker 3: And we didn't know he was a vegan guy.
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  Speaker 1: And we all had a bunch of barbecue and stuff
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  Speaker 1: and he ate a ton of it. And next morning
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  Speaker 1: woke up not knowing why his stomach was in knots
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  Speaker 1: and everything. We were like, I don't know, man, Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we ate pretty late, that might be why.
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, we ate, but what did we eat?
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  Speaker 1: You know? And we're like telling him we had ribs
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  Speaker 1: and mac and cheese and all this stuff, and oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was pretty upset with himself. So, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you know, I don't want to out
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  Speaker 1: the guy, you know, by name or anything, because I
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  Speaker 1: believe in his conscious state.
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  Speaker 3: Of mind, you know, he has good intentions.
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  Speaker 1: But and we didn't know, you know, otherwise we wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: obviously have you know, intervened. But we were just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but if you're hungry, have so, you know. So that
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  Speaker 1: was the closest I've come to that. And yeah, but luckily,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how how does one stay in shape on
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  Speaker 1: tour for a band like Squint? Like, are like you
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  Speaker 1: just trying to outrun the like what.
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  Speaker 3: What is it? No? We keep see in shape. We
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  Speaker 3: we work out a lot on the road.
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  Speaker 1: We have if we're going overseas or anything like that,
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  Speaker 1: we'll bring like resistance bands stuff like that. There's also
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like especially in Europe and stuff. They've
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of gems in the park, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you can do some pull ups on some monkey bars,
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  Speaker 1: you know those kind of stuff. Yeah, even just like
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  Speaker 1: plush ups in the green room. Like really uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from like a like from a lifting standpoint, you're not
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  Speaker 1: so much trying to gain muscle on the road as
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  Speaker 1: much as you are just kind of maintain you know,
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of times, you know, even if you
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  Speaker 1: strive to hit, like you know, eat as much as
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  Speaker 1: you need to and all that, Like you said, it
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  Speaker 1: can get pretty expensive pretty quick when you're on the
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  Speaker 1: road and you don't you're not cooking for yourself, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and trying to eat all the stuff that you know
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  Speaker 1: you do back at back at home.
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  Speaker 2: I think if we're not careful, this is going to
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  Speaker 2: turn into a Joe Rogan podcast episode.
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  Speaker 1: So not no, no, agree, we'll move the other direction
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  Speaker 1: down with that. But being strong is awesome for the record,
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  Speaker 1: and it's.
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  Speaker 2: Being strong is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know, especially if you're in hardcore. My goodness,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's a workout just to play a show. So like,
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  Speaker 1: if you're strong, it just like gives you an advantage
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  Speaker 1: to be able to at least like make it through
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  Speaker 1: a show. And you're like, don't feel like you're like
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  Speaker 1: yeah no. Actually, a couple of weeks ago, we played
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  Speaker 1: a show and I kind of it was a wake
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  Speaker 1: up call that I need to start hitting the cardio
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  Speaker 1: again before this upcoming tour.
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  Speaker 3: So I've been doing that.
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  Speaker 1: We've I'm sure we'll talk about it a little bit later,
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  Speaker 1: but we've got a new record coming out here in
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  Speaker 1: a couple of months, and I I've been not loudly
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  Speaker 1: singing it, but singing it to myself while I run
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  Speaker 1: on the treadmill, so I can Okay, was it Culin
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  Speaker 1: We just interviewed somebody like a couple months ago.
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  Speaker 2: Who does the same thing, So Johnny Booth.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I don't think the interview has come out yet,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's it's actually a really popular artist.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's no.
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  Speaker 1: It was the guy from one of the metal core
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  Speaker 1: bands that's huge, Like not I prevail, but it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like in that vein anyway, Like we just interviewed
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  Speaker 1: a suit We haven't released the episode yet, but it's
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  Speaker 1: like a super famous metal core artist and he does
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  Speaker 1: the same thing where while he's like running, like he'll
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  Speaker 1: go out.
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  Speaker 3: For a run or whatever, and then he'll like literally try.
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  Speaker 1: To scream because he's a he's like the the unclean
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  Speaker 1: singer in the band. Yeah, and he'll like he'll do
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  Speaker 1: like the screaming while he's literally running, and that's like
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  Speaker 1: how he trains for the shows. Well, it's that's reassuring
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  Speaker 1: to hear that you know that I'm not the only
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  Speaker 1: one doing this weird thing. But I'm also not yelling
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  Speaker 1: at full volume. I don't want to paint some picture
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  Speaker 1: because I've been a planet fitness you know, so not
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  Speaker 1: what but uh, but I do try to match sure,
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  Speaker 1: rap the weights there much less scream Yeah, yeah, match
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  Speaker 1: my breathing to it as much as possible, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just uh because that's that's the main the
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  Speaker 1: hardest part. When you're on you know, stages, you contend
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  Speaker 1: to get carried away, especially if you're me and like
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  Speaker 1: I've always been like a masher and stuff like that
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  Speaker 1: growing up, so I tend to move a lot. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to have high energy at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of the set and then be winded halfway through,
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  Speaker 1: So you know, just planning ahead as much as possible
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  Speaker 1: and acclimating your body. It's the fact that you're going
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  Speaker 1: to be, you know, putting it under that kind of
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  Speaker 1: stress for twenty minutes to however long, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I have to start by saying, I think
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  Speaker 2: I think you guys are criminally under listened to.
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  Speaker 3: Just judge.
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  Speaker 2: I use YouTube music and I was I was looking
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  Speaker 2: at your streams and I was like, well, these guys
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  Speaker 2: are They've got to be bigger than you know, X
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  Speaker 2: Y and Z band just based off of listening numbers, right,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm looking at the YouTube music numbers. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: oh no, it's not. This is this is criminal, this
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  Speaker 2: is this is absolutely a travesty. It can't it can't
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  Speaker 2: be well, thank you. Yeah, you guys have absolute everything
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  Speaker 2: that that that you need to be there, like like
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  Speaker 2: to be like one of those classic new artists that
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  Speaker 2: come on the scene and just completely show up and
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  Speaker 2: show out. Great guitar tone, great lyrics, great music production,
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  Speaker 2: uh really really tight playing. I'm just blown away. Is
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  Speaker 2: that is that kind of a feeling that you're that
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  Speaker 2: you have as well from your perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Well, first off, thanks so much. That that means a
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  Speaker 1: ton you know as far as uh all that goes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it it's one of those things where you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's obviously you always want more kind of and you
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  Speaker 1: know you always not even in a selfish way, but
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  Speaker 1: it's just like I'd like to be playing for more
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  Speaker 1: people because that's more people I can interact with. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, but you know, hardcore in general and uh
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  Speaker 1: squit you know specifically are like hardcore now is in
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  Speaker 1: a place where shows are bigger than they've ever been
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  Speaker 1: as far as you know, I'm concerned. So while you know,
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  Speaker 1: while on a certain spectrum it's like, yeah, dang, I
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  Speaker 1: wish we were bigger. I wish we were getting larger
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  Speaker 1: tours and larger tour packages and stuff like that. You know.
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  Speaker 1: On the flip side, I'm still you know, playing to
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  Speaker 1: more people than I ever have in my previous bands
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  Speaker 1: on tours and stuff like that, and by that metric,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm very successful, you know. And not to
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  Speaker 1: bring it back to the gym thing, but there's a
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  Speaker 1: good thing I was told when I was younger, and
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  Speaker 1: it's the gym mentality, and it's that there's you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's always gonna be someone who's stronger than you, and
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  Speaker 1: there's always gonna be someone who's weaker than you. And
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  Speaker 1: like if you just chase that always being the strongest,
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  Speaker 1: you're never gonna be happy, you know, because there's always
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  Speaker 1: going to be that guy who, you know, even if
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  Speaker 1: you get to be top dog in your gym, there's
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: just gonna be one guy who walks in one day
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  Speaker 1: and is just like and then you know, you're back
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  Speaker 1: to just wanting and wanting and wanting. And so while
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  Speaker 1: it is like important to like aspire for things, and like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we always try to push it and we
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  Speaker 1: always try to make sure that we're moving in a
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  Speaker 1: progressive direction as opposed to regressive. You know. It's still
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  Speaker 1: just like I stop and take a step back, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm I'm in you know, Budapest right now
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  Speaker 1: because I wrote some songs with my friends and so like,
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  Speaker 1: hell yeah by that metric alone, like I'm extremely successful,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And like I had said, we'd love to
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  Speaker 1: get on some you know, if any you know, larger
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  Speaker 1: bands or anything like that, are you know, listening, Like
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  Speaker 1: we do want to like get on larger tour packages
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that and have the opportunity to play
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  Speaker 1: in front of more people that may not know our music.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I book all our tours
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  Speaker 1: stayside myself, and just the fact that I can email
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  Speaker 1: somebody and say, hey, I play in this band from
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  Speaker 1: the Midwest. You know, you've probably never heard of us,
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  Speaker 1: and they go, oh, dude, I was just listening to
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  Speaker 1: your stuff. Like that's so surreal, you know, and so
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  Speaker 1: different than when I was seventeen years old just cold
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  Speaker 1: emailing random people being like, you know, my three cord
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  Speaker 1: power violence band needs a show.
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  Speaker 3: In a basement. Can you please help me?
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  Speaker 2: You know, like.
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  Speaker 3: I will say, like, I think part of this is
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  Speaker 3: just like.
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  Speaker 1: The music industry, and maybe maybe this has always existed.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe this is a newer thing in the music industry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a historian in that way, but at least
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  Speaker 1: at some point and it's still probably is like this
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  Speaker 1: where Like there could be a pop artist, for example,
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  Speaker 1: like I don't know, like think of any super famous
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  Speaker 1: pop artists that you ever Sabrina Carpenter.
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  Speaker 3: Right, who just like.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as she makes an album, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: the biggest thing ever. Like for her debut album, it's
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  Speaker 1: just it's gonna be big, it's gonna get into the Grammys,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna likely go number one on the Billboard, just
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  Speaker 1: because of the infrastructure that's around her, right, Like that's
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  Speaker 1: a common experience for pop artists, Whereas like a hardcore artist,
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  Speaker 1: like when we look at like some like someone like Turnstile, right,
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  Speaker 1: like Colin and I about to see Turnstile Turnstiles at
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  Speaker 1: this level now where they're like they're getting some commercials,
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  Speaker 1: they're obviously like hitting.
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  Speaker 3: Billboard top two hundred stuff. They're like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're getting interview, like the big, big interviews,
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  Speaker 1: Like they're at a point where it's like and it
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  Speaker 1: took them, however many years, like probably at least ten years, right,
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  Speaker 1: like like Turnstile has been a band for over ten
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  Speaker 1: years now, right, Yeah, for sure, it took them that
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  Speaker 1: many years to just get to that point, and they're
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  Speaker 1: still not even at like a Sabrina Carpenter level, right.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just like it it's just because of the.
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  Speaker 1: The dynamic of the music industry and what kind of
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  Speaker 1: music you're making, and so like I think about it
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  Speaker 1: that way where it's like y'all are just like in
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  Speaker 1: a music industry genre and world where it's just like
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna take a long time before you even like
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  Speaker 1: get to that like level if you can even get lucky,
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  Speaker 1: right like we think of like like I mean just
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  Speaker 1: like Knock Loose is getting big right now, right Like
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  Speaker 1: they played Jimmy Kimmel.
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  Speaker 3: Look like they were playing like literally like shows for like.
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  Speaker 1: Three people ten years ago like that, that's how long
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  Speaker 1: it's taken them to get to this level where now
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  Speaker 1: they're playing like Jimmy Kimmel or whatever. So it's just
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  Speaker 1: like it's one of those things where it's just like
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  Speaker 1: you're in that world where it's just it's going to
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  Speaker 1: take a long time. And and so like that's sort
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  Speaker 1: of my encouragement for you all is like it's amazing
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  Speaker 1: like where you all are at right now, and it's
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  Speaker 1: just it's one of those things where it's like you're
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  Speaker 1: in a world where it's just like it's going to
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  Speaker 1: take some time if you want to get to that level.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, like I think there's something rewarding about that.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, I think about like you guys were
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  Speaker 1: talking about, like you know, you're talking about like Jim
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  Speaker 1: people like like the people who have like worked their
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  Speaker 1: asses off, like typically those people that they just it
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  Speaker 1: took them time.
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  Speaker 3: It just takes them time.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get to that point where it's just
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  Speaker 1: like now you start to see some of the fruits
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  Speaker 1: of that labor. Definitely. Yeah, Like I mean those bands
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  Speaker 1: specifically that you're talking about, you know, like my old
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: band you know, like played some shows with Turnstile back
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, and like since then, they really haven't
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, idiots will tell you that
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: they've changed their sound, but like they haven't really, Like
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: i mean like if you listen to the you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: the first stuff they put out or step rhythm or
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: anything like that. It's all just this is like natural progression,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: you know. And same with bands, you know, like I'm
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: sure when you met them in twenty twelve, how was
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: that three thirteen years ago?
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Now like twenty twelve, I bet you.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I guarantee I could be wrong, but like I guarantee,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: if you met those guys in twenty twelve, you could
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: just see, like these guys are talented even then, and
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: and they had already like I mean, they had been
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: a band for a while at that point, you know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: like they were probably on their second or third record
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: at that point, at least seven inch wise, you know.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: But same thing with Knocked Loose. I have a friend,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I'll shout him out. They're an awesome metalcore band here
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: from Saint Louis called Blistered Spirit. A couple of them
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: used to be in a band when they were younger
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: that I remember them telling me. They were like, we
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: just played in this garage in Louisville and the opening
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: band was awesome, they were. They sent me the flyer
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and it was you know, all the bands with all
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: their logos and then at the bottom in Times, New
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Roman has said Knock Loose you know, and just seeing
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: where the romance, seeing where that band is now, you know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and also just knowing that you know, again they didn't.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I mean obviously they both bands have gotten better, they've
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: refined their sound, they've matured, but they're still just doing
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: what they do. So it's like with Squint, you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm sure we maybe could you know,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: change stuff to what is hot right now or what's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you know, and and maybe get some more numbers out
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of all that, but we're just going to keep, you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: like doing what it is that we do because you know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: we like it, and like if people come around to it,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: they will, and if they don't, you know, if it
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: never happens, it never happens. And another thing I was
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: going to say is also like and if, like, especially
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: if any younger bands sen of this, like numbers are
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: important and all that, you know, like you're but like,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: don't get hung up on all your Spotify streams and
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, because I played with We've played with
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: bands that literally have a million monthly listeners on Spotify
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and there's twenty people at the show.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: And on the flip.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Side, there's you know, bands like like Prevention, from Springfield,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Illinois who they've got like a couple thousand monthly listeners
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: on Spotify, but when you see them live, it feels
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: like a couple thousand people are seeing all the words,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and you know, just don't like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: forget what hardcore is. You know, it's not like something
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you look at on a screen. It's something you like
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: experience in a room, you know, so like.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: But that's what I think makes you guys so interesting.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: It's like for for most hardcore bands that I listen to,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I love seeing them live, and I could kind of
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: care less to listen to their record, you know, at
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: home or while I'm out a run or something like that,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: just because it doesn't do the same thing for me. Yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's like a production thing
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: or what, but your sound comes through so great on
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: the record that I want to keep listening, not just
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: at a live show, which I'm finally gonna get to
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: see you guys here, but also while I'm at home,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: while I'm in the car, I actually want to listen
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to it because it sounds good. It actually feels like
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: there's solid production behind it and a lot of I
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: feel like the hardcore hardcore genre in general just doesn't
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: put enough emphasis on that until maybe bands like Turnstile,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: for example, kind of started to do that themselves. But
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys sound so much more advanced than
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: a band who's been around for just a couple of years,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: and I know that you guys have had a lot
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: of prior experience in other bands. Do you think that
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: there would you say that there's been a strong focus
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: not just making a good record, but also making a
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: record that sounds good auditorially then like not just being
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: like a good enough is good enough, you.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Know, definitely, and I'd probably take the least bit of
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: like credit for that. You know, it's coming from like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: like I said, a hardcore background. I've been very much
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: like and like I you know, like I said, like
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I only own an iPhone, so everything I've recorded personally,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: especially for like like Theo's. You know when when Squint
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: demo songs out, our guitarists will write, write a full
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: song on guitar, record it with garage band, get the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: bass out, record bass. They have you know, tones on
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: their garage band set from like you know them doing
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: this in the past and stuff, and then they program
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: drums to the song and everything like that, and then
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: they send it to me and record a voice memo
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: of myself going over it, you know, all their beautiful
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: tones and production that they work so hard for the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: demo to get. I'm like, if you want me to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: do a vocal demo, I will, but this is how
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: it's going to sound. So that's very much my approach
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: towards you know, and I used to almost take pride
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in that, you know, being like, you know, yeah, I
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: don't need you know, I love the way the Rob
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Deal demo sounds or breakdown, you know, like I would
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: almost prefer something that came out, you know, like like
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I sixteen year old kids in New York City saving
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: their allowance in nineteen eighty seven to record, you know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: in some guy's basement on like trash cans, Like that's
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: my ideal production. But for something like Squint, it doesn't,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: you know, you don't necessarily want that. And as I've
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: gotten older and I have started to open myself to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: like a lot more music that I would kind of
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: close myself off to in the past, I've started to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: really kind of value production and stuff like that. But
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I still don't know a ton about it, but especially
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: our bassis. Actually also he's probably he's the same boat
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: as me when I was fourteen, actually he was fifteen
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and got me into hardcore, so we pretty much have
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: had the same trajectory. So none of the production is
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: his doing either, I should say, But our drummer and
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: our two guitarists both really value production and take a
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: lot of notice to it, you know, And so when
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: we're in the studio with whatever producer it is that
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: we're with, they've always they're the ones who are just
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: kind of rattling off ideas, you know, and rattling off
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: certain things. And Ian's constantly like, all right, this part
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: right here, this guitar tone, we want it to sound
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: like so much for the after globe I ever clear,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you know, or like and you know, just little things
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: like that where it's like, you know, they know specifically
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: what it is that they want. Yeah, I kind of
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: feel like I rambled on it, but that was general
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just okay, cool. It reminds me of like also, not
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: just the production, but the songwriting. It sounds like it's
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: speaking to that where it's like it's it clearly seems
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: like at least for some of some of the other
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: band members where like they kind of a clear direction
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: around like the songwriting of like they're gonna write like
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: these parts and then you're, you know, you're doing.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Your vocals over it.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: One of the things that like when I and I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: try not to I try my best Brennan not to
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: like do the like this band sounds like this band
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: kind of thing, like I try not try and try
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: not to do my bathroom, try to try.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: To do my.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: What what do you think?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I bet you're gonna say drug Church.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's actually really good guess. That's actually probably a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: better guess than when I was thinking. But we get
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that a lot, but do you really? Yeah, that makes
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: sense actually honestly like a similar band though, like very
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: much in the same vein though Brennan, which is another
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: band that Colin loves.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Just from the.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Guitar song on writing standpoint, like not the production, I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: don't think of it as a production thing, just from
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: like how the guitars are played. It very similarly sounds
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: like military gun.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: That to me too, I see that, Yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That kind of like straightforward rifts that.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just like the riffs feel very like military gun
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: to me, and so and again like not like obviously
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you guys have.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: You kind of your own like version of that different stuff.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: But but it's kind of the the It's not like
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: it's not like.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Just chug a chug a hardcore clearly, No, Like there's
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a there's a sophistication to the guitar riffs that are
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: being played that are clearly hardcore riffs, and that that,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to me is what reminds me of like military gun
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: because it's like obviously military guns, like not just like
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: doing chug chug hardcore riffs.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: So that's like why I think of it in that way.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: But I'm curious, like for you as a vocalist, it's
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: not like thinking of guitar riff writing, like but what yeah,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: for for you, like, how are you maybe like trying
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: to differentiate Squint from like maybe like every other hardcore
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: band that's like doing this like you know thing that
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you know every other hardcore band's doing. Yeah, Well, first off,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we do get like both those
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: comparisons pretty often, and you know we honestly for a
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: while it was kind of like aggravating because we were
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: like and this is I feel comfortable saying that we're
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: not so much and I don't be in this in
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a negative way. We're not so much friends with Drug Church,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: like we just we've met those guys, we played with them.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: They're awesome, incredible band, live Military Gun. We're pretty good
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: friends with a couple of people in the band and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. But there was never any like intention
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: going into it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: You know, sorry, we lost it their fair and it's
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: not that.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we actually were like, yeah, are we good?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Can you say that again?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Are we good now?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah? You're good now?
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Mine still says network is struggling, which isn't good.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: But okay, I I think we're back. I think we're
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: kind of back.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: The little bar went away, so that's a good sign.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I was just saying we played with the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Drug Church before. They're an awesome band. We don't really
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: know those guys Military Gun are buddies and stuff like that,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: and they're both incredible bands. We definitely didn't like at
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the beginning set out to Honestly, we at the beginning
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: didn't set out to sound like anything, not in like
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a pompous way at all. But just like ian I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: ran in the een, it was like right after COVID
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: lockdowns were kind of letting up. I ran into him
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: at a farmer's market and he was like, I've got
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: these riffs written, you know, do you want me to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: send it to you? And he's always done more like
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: kind of like emo adjacent, like kind of like promise
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: ring type stuff, you know, and like he's always been
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: more in that kind of world of things. So I
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: was like, well, I can't sing, but I'll do what
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I can over them, you know. And so that's really
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: how the Squint sound just kind of started, was Ian
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: having these melodic songs and then me just yelling over
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: them because that, I mean, what I do is my
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: best attempt at singing, so you know. But about over
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: time we've also started talking, like, you know, once we
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: kind of landed on all right, so this is the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: sound that we came up with, how do we refine it?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: And what do we put into this? And what do
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: we you know? And so I mean we try to
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I think the main thing that we do to try
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and set ourselves apart. And this may sound kind of
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: dumb or lame, but just is really not overthink it
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: at all, you know, just kind of if everybody just
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: puts their little bit of ingredients in, it'll always come
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: out sounding like we do, you know. And it's when
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: we start to like overthink things that you know, it
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: starts to kind of muddy things up. And I mean
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: that's even been like we have a new record coming
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: out here in a couple months, and we're definitely like
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: pushing things in different directions, you know, like even further
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: than on big hand. And when we were writing these
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: songs a lot that I was nervous that we were
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: going to lose our sounds somewhat, you know, And with
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: the end product, it just kind of solidified to me
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: that if I just do what it is that I do,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and I have the faith in my bandmates that they're
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: going to do what it is they do, it's you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: it's going to come out sounding like one of our songs.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And but as far as like Drug Church, A Military
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Gun and all those bands go, I think we're all
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: just pulling from the same tree as far as like,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you know, we're all like all people from a hardcore background,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you know, like Ian from Military Guns been in like
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: tons of bands growing up and stuff like that. He's
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: like always been around, you know, and like you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Drug Church, as I'd like pat was an End of
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the Year and all that kind of stuff. So I
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: think we're all like vocalists that come from a hardcore
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: background and have that same kind of approach towards things.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And so I mean we all really like you know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Minor Threat, and we also really like Archers of Loaf
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and Seaweed and bands like that, you know, and so
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: we try just throw all that in the mix, and
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, I like I I Killing Time
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: is one of my favorite bands of all time. But
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I also love Third Eye Blind's self titled record, And
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: why can't you throw two together, you know, and mix
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: it all up and exactly.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Exactly exactly there is something there is something you.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Said about like like you know, I mentioned like Turnstile
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and Knock Loose, and you know, Color mentioned Drug Church
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and there's Military Guns like all of these bands, right,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: like they're all kind of coming from.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: A little bit of a hardcore world.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: But like especially like Turnstile and Knock Loose, Like if
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you listen to like their most popular songs, like for Turnstyle, right,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: like it might be like Holiday for example, Like that's
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: a hardcore song, Like that's like it's it's not a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: it's not pop punk song. It's not one of their
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: like kind of shoegazy songs. It's like that's a hardcore song.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Or if you listen to like like Counting Worms, right like,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that's a that is a not lose song, right Like,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: they're not like there's no they're not trying to like
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: appeal to the masses with a song like that, right like,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: or or even like you know, if you want to
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: go to like drug Church, like We'd Pinned is probably
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: their most famous song, right like, that's that's still like
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a very hardcore song. Like they're not like that. That
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: sounds like a drug Church song like through and through,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: like what regardless of like any album like that's that's
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a Drug Church sung. So it's just like one of
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: those things where it's just like like in that world,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: like as long as you just kind of stay true
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to who you are and you're just good songwriters, you're
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: you're gonna like you're gonna find success and as long
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: as you keep consistent to it, and all of those bands,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: like I think we can all attest to this, like
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: whether it's Turnstile, Knock Loose, Drug Church, even Military Gun
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: even and I obviously I know Military Gun is probably
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the newest of those bands, but like most of those bands,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: they've been at it for a long time. They've been
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: working for it for a long time, and they just
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: like they keep working and they keep working and they
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: keep working and they like find that kind of that little.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Like breakthrough piece. And definitely and that happens.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And I feel like, especially in like a streaming like
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like modern Time and stuff like that, you
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: really don't have to. I mean like we're kind of
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: losing the whole concept of like sugarcoating things in order
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: for them to go over well, you know, because you
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: don't need to anymore. Be like Lincoln Park with the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: like one. You know, like you got hard, hard riffs
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: on the record, but you got the one obvious radio
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: hit with the chorus right, you know, because because you
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: need to appeal to the kid in the you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the thirteen year old me in the backseat, and you
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: also need to appeal to you know, my mom who's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: driving the car so she doesn't change the station, you know.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: And but like nowadays when we have like streaming services
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that that I won't name any of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: because they're all evil, you know what I'm saying. But anyway,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: like they they go, it's easier for kids to seek
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: out what it is they actually want, you know. And
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's why you're seeing stuff like that. It's
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: because you know, when people are going to the Knock
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Loose you know page or whatever, they're not picking the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: sugar Coated single. You know, maybe they're or maybe they're
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: picking the single, but knock Loose is smart enough to understand,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: this is what our fans want. They don't want the
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: sugar coated chorus. They want hard because that's what we are,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you know. And it's it's like, you know, it's no
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: one's going to see a scary movie and walking out
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and being like, dude, that was not that scary. That
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: was awesome. You know. It's like if you go to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: a scary movie, you want to get scared, and like
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: people know that now, you know. If you if you
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: want something hard like that, you know, and if you
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: want a drug Church song, you're gonna go to the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Drug Church page and you're gonna you know what I mean.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean I think about it like
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I mean under oath, Like if you go go back
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: twenty years ago Under Oath, they had a song literally
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: almost want to Grammy, Almost want to Grammy for Music
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Video of the Year, and that was Under Oath, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that song was, like you could argue, is maybe one
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: of their most hardcore songs that they've ever released, with
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Writing on the Walls, Like if you listen to Writing
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: on the Walls, it's like it's a heavy song and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: they almost want to Grammy for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: they like they actually they lost to probably one of
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the most viral music videos ever with Okay Go Okay.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: So it's like one of those things where it's like
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: as long as you just stay true to who you are,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: people are gonna care, like like it like and obviously,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: like you look back now and like really, you know,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: like their only chasing Safety has become clearly the most
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: famous Under Oath thing, but like you know, at the time,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: like that's that was a big thing, and I don't know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: there's just something about like just staying true to who
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you are and just writing good music. Definitely will that
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: will get you, That will get you a long ways
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, And just like you know, especially just
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: being true to like you know, the history of not
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the history so much, but those who came before you
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and all that, and you know, like the genre itself
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: and you know, don't sell out.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, well, and that's what I kind of
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: liked that you were talking about how you're kind of
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to call it the
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: old soul, but you're the you're the like old school
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: hardcore guy like you. That's that's like your jam and
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the basis right. The rest of the band has different influences,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: but they pull in your influences and you're learning from
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: their influences and then it all kind of turns into
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: its own thing. And I love that you talked about
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: how one of your guitarists has a pretty strong emo influence,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: because I can totally tell that. I man, there's parts
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: in there where I'm like, oh, yeah, this feels like
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: this feels like nineties Midwest emo at times, and I
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: dig that that's that's something that really appeals to me.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And then you yourself, I don't know, I don't know
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: how where where this maybe comes from, or maybe you
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: do it intentionally or not, but you have incredible diction
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: as a vocalist, which in the hardcore realm. That's not
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: generally something that you see in my experience, is that
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: something that you that you intend to do? I mean,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: because I can make out every single word exactly what
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: you're saying, it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Definitely it's not it's not intended. But I'm very lucky
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that I have a voice that, you know, that I can.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Do that with.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Like in general, my whole like vocal approach, there's as
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I've gotten older, I've started doing things like warming up,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: but generally there was no approach at all.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I learned to do, not even learned to do, but
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: learn that I could do vocals just from you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: being handed the mic at shows growing up, you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and I would hear myself on the PA and be like, oh,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that wasn't too bad, you know, or anything like that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Or And I've always you know, taken a lot of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: pride in my own lyrics, but also just a lot
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: of like I find a lot of in the concept
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: of lyrics themselves, you know. And I feel like that
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: can get lost in hardcore just because it is such
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: a you know, so many voices are so distorted and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: muffled and all that, or it is recorded in you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a kitchen in the Lower East Side, you know. But
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: but like I mean it arguably like you know, not
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to to my own horde in any way, but like
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: lyrics are like one of the most important parts of hardcore,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: you know, if they might even be more important than
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the delivery. You know, like it's you know, like you
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: can hear youth of Today, but until you're sitting there
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and reading the lyric book and understanding what they're talking about,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that's when you'll really understand and you really hear youth
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: of Today, you know what I mean. And especially in
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: like I said, a day and age when everything is extreamed,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I feel really lucky that I do have a voice
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: that's like as crisp as it is, and like that
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you can make out my lyrics without having to pull
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: out the lead or a sheet from the record or
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: google it or whatever it is that you're doing, you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And and you know, just things like you know, like uh,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: alliteration and just rhyme schemes and stuff like that have
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: always been very important to me, even just like subconsciously,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I I've always alongside hardcore and stuff like that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I've always had a very soft.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Spot for hip hop growing up. It's it.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: It's funny like when I was a lot younger, I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: kind of like listened to hip hop in secret because
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I was so you know, like adamant about being like
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the hardcore metal kind of guy that I didn't want
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: people to know that I was listening to you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Biggie and stuff like that in my room. But as
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I've gotten older, I start to like really see how
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: much you know, stuff like like Wu tang or nas
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: or any of that kind of stuff has like imprinted.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It's you know, itself in my head as far as
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: like my flow and cadence and all that and just
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you know, my lyrical approach and my you know, alliteration
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and diction and use of like certain words. I don't know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: but you know it's.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Dude, you also have like insane and insane. I'm just
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: basically a record and a half two records here. You
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: have I countless one liners, like philosophical one liners that
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I that I literally have to like pause and like
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: think about for a moment.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, thank you.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: That's that's that's a that's a moment where I need
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: to digest this for a second.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: That's you know something I definitely strive for. And it's
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: hard because it's not something you can set out and
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: just do you know, you can't sit down and go,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna write something really profound, you know, profound, but yeah.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Because if you do, you sound like a total douchebag.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: No, And it's yeah, it's one of those one of
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: those things too where I've always I try to like
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: like my all my best songs and all my favorite
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: one lines and stuff like that, like you said, they're
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: all I'm very much about, like like delivering things in
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: a very like you know, using simple words and stuff
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: like that, but with complex ideas, you know, because I
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: want the lyrics to be for everybody.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: I don't want you to.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Have to google a word and not know what that means,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: you know, and have to decipher what I'm saying, to
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: decipher what I'm saying, you know, I just want you
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to just be like, like you said, you know that
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that means a lot, because that's the exact impact I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: want is to just have someone be like, you know,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: hear that, you know, are you the.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Fooling or fooled?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And be like whoa hold up? You know, like you know, yeah,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: sing along to it a couple of times. You really yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: It's almost like seeps into your brain before you even
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: process what it is that I'm saying.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, you know.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: If you're a William Blake fan, Sir William Blake, the
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: poet engraver, all.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: That stuff not familiar.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: His poetry has a very similar style to me. When
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I read it, I very simplistic work, like there's nothing
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: that's like out out of the ordinary, extremely difficult. It's
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: written in eighteen hundreds. It should be difficult because that's
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: like a different language. Yeah, And I read it and
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I understand everything, but I don't understand a single thing.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: And then I read again and it's like it washes
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: over you. And the third time now you're like, oh
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I get all of this.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: It really like has that impact that just smacks you
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: and you're like, Okay, I just need to sit with
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: art for a while to understand it and to feel
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: these things as intended.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, yeah, I need to check out his stuff
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: because that sounds awesome.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I think you nail it, Like I get similar vibes
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: from your songwriting style.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: No, I definitely I you know, I feel like there's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of people out there that have like a
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: kind of like a kindred spirit, so to say, as
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: far as like the writing style that I have, and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: when I encounter it, I'm always kind of like respect,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you know, like or you know, I'll even just like
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: in pop songs randomly and stuff like that, or or
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I'll find where I took things from. Like I'm going
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: back and listening to all these records that you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I heard when I was younger that maybe I didn't
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: even realize I was absorbing, you know, but it's like
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: listening to like Stone Temple Pilots again and then I
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: hear this one Cadence and I'm like, oh, I stole that,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Like like eleven year old me heard that and was
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: just like here it goes right in the back of
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the brain, you know. So it's interesting, yeah, seeing like
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: the different kind of styles of writing and stuff like that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: How people can you know, kind of naturally come to
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: them on their own, you know, like me and this
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: guy from the eighteen hundred who I've never heard of
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: it has clearly never heard of me, or you know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: it could seep into itself like organically, like the Stone
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Temple Pilots example, you know, totally, totally, well, I think
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: that's like the cool thing about art is Yeah, whether
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: it's like Stone Tumble Pilots, Squint, or William Blake does
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Like it like, there are human experiences that we all experience.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: And we can all relate to, regardless of culture and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: regardless of time, And whenever that happens, like there's going
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to be artists that are like, hey, like that's the
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: thing that I'm experiencing, and we're going to talk about that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: So whether that's Squint, whether that's Stone Tumble Pilots, or
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: whether that's William Blake from the eighteen hundreds, Like you're
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: gonna just talk about that. And that's like a cool
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: thing about human experience is you just you talk about
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the things that you experience, and you know a lot
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: of times that's love or that's heartbreak or whatever it
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: is that we experience just collectively of humans.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Like that's just a cool thing about being human.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that we're all essentially going through the same thing,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the same with different with different different perspectives. There
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: is one other thing I wanted to ask in relation
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: to that, to an extent, is there is there an
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: artist out there, or a songwriter in particular, lyricist in particular,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: that when you hear their lyricure, like how the fuck
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: do you come up with that?
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: It's just, uh, there's a lot of like I guess
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a good example would be West Sideshold. I've always really
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: loved everything he's written, and I'm on it admittedly not
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: even that huge of like an American Nightmare fan, but
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: lyrically like that band is. You know, I would you know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: like print out background music and just have it as
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: like a like a coffee book table, probably before I
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: put that record on, you know, I do. I love
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Cold Cave a lot, but his writing in general, some
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of this stuff and like some of the just the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like like you said, like the one liners and stuff
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: like that, he hasn't Old Cave. I'm just like like
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: chills run over your body, just kind of like God,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: that is so good and how did he do that?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, there's also certain lyrics that like, like
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: there's there's this one Nase lyric that the other day
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: we were listening to Illmatic at work. I'm I manage
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: a kitchen and we were listening to illmatic and I
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: had paused it right after this one lyric, and I
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: was like, I could probably write a college thesis off
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of that that right there, just that one bar and
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: how incredible it is, and like, so yeah, I mean,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: like lyrically, I love.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: West Ises hul Nas.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I've always been like when I was a lot younger,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: probably fourteen, I got into Bright Eyes and a lot
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: of the writing the Connor Oberst. Like I've kind of
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: grown out of listening to them, you know, like their
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: most recent records, I haven't really delved into or what
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I have heard I didn't really grab me, but just
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: where I was at that age, like his his writing
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: really made a deeper impact on me than I think
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I realized at the time.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: You know, just hell yeah, the.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Way he approaches choruses and like relates things back to
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: each other. You know, I do a thing a lot
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: where you know, it's there's probably a term for it,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: but you know, like if a chorus has like four bars,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: maybe the third bar is different on my second refrain,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: you know, it's something else that it kind of changes
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the concept of the chorus. I take a lot of
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: that from him, you know, And he was also one
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: of the first lyricists I remember hearing as a kid
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: and really being like I used to I had a
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: paper route whenever I first Like I said, I was
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen when I had this record, and I
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: remember every morning just the sun coming up and I
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: would listen to that same record pretty much and just
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: be like breaking apart the lyrics and my beauty little.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Brain, you know, just like mind blunts.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: So those are probably like my three lyricists that really
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: just like continue to like, you know, impress me.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: That's cool?
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Is it funny?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Like how music just like brings us back to like
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: those visceral memories like you were talking about, like with
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: that album, you know, like you being probably on a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: little pedal bike just like you know, throwing newspapers or
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: whatever it was that you were throwing. And like I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: like I remember, I don't know why, but like for
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, this album's coming to mind, but a huge
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Apple Sea Cast. I don't know if you're yeah, if
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: you know the Apple Sea Cast. The apples Cast is
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite bands. But they have an album
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: called The Illumination Ritual that came out I think twenty thirteen,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and a few years later, I like went through like
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: kind of one of my first like major breakups, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I just like I have this visceral memory of listening
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to that album as I'm like backing out of a driveway,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and like every time I listen to that album, I
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: just like feel myself like in my like nineteen ninety
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: eight MANI Carlo just like backing out of a driveway, definitely,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: And it's just like funny how like music like brings
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: us to that, like in the same way, like you know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: if you smell like somebody and you're like, oh my god,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: that like smells my like my grandma or like smells
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: like my old my old girlfriend or whatever, it is,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: like he was like, oh my god, Like you just
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: like smell or like music or whatever, like like any
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: sort of sense I can just like bring you back
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: to something. And so it's just always fun when like
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: music brings you back to something like that.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: No, definitely that like yeah, that that that feeling is crazy,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: you know when you're just like because it's not necessarily
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: even something that she you want to feel sometimes or
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: it's you know, not even necessarily something that you understand.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: You know, Like I'll hear like a Kinny Chesney song
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: that my dad listened to when I was like eight
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: years old, and I'll be like, or, oh, here's a
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: good example. The other day. Recently, I've been like, I'm
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: gonna check out Moby, you know, like I.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Just did that last week.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: That's so weird.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I was just like, you know, I this
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: guy's like a hardcore guy. I know he used to
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: he played in like Flipper and stuff like that, and
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: he seems like a solid enough person and I like
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: all the stuff that I've heard so far, so I'm
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: gonna check out. And so I was going through that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's called play the record where he's like
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: jumping in the air. And when that song Southside came on,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: you know that song that's like I can't even remember
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: how it goes now, but it's just one of those
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: like the second I heard the chorus, I was like,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: oh my god, Like I this was so deeply hold
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: in the back of my brain from when I was
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: like seven years old, and like I love this melody
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: as a kid, but I just forgot all about this song,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: And yeah, so I had that.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Moment with with Moby there.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: You know, it's fun when that stuff kind of kicks
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: back up. Similar story to that, almost kind of the
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: same vein of music as well. Fat Boy Slim's song
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Christopher Walking in.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: The Folk.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember. Oh okay, I know what you're saying,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: but it's got Christopher Walking in the music video and
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: he's like loading around in like this this room. I
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: heard it on the on commercial or something recently, and
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I probably haven't listened to it twenty years.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: It's like an acid flashback, you know, you're just like yeah,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I mean I was like, yeah, it hits you out
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: of nowhere.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: It's like your waste from remember No, I'm all of
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: a sudden. Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: It's also funny going back and listening to stuff that
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: that you heard when you were a kid now you know,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: with the context of everything you have, and like, yeah,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Like there's a band death Wish band from the late
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: aughts early twenty ten's called Shipwreck AD. They were from Boston,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and I remember just as a kid being like nothing
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: sounds like this. How do you either write music like
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: this like this and just you know, not having any
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: concept of it, and just the other da at the gym.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I went to go check it out. Expect you to
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: have like the same it's really good. But I was
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, this this just sounds like like with
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: like like this sounds like strife with a bunch of
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: trial throwing it or something, you know, And it almost
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: was like kind of like took all the magic out
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: of it. You know, now that I understand how they
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: got there, and now that I'm just like, yeah.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, you know, yeah took all the mason and
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: I that band was skillet.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it probably makes you appre like it probably
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: makes you appreciate like the bands that like are like
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: still standing out, especially at that time frame. Like the
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: bands that still stand out, it's like, oh wait, like
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: they were still doing something. They were doing something different,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: like they were doing something unique. They were doing something
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: that was like no, they're completely out of the ordinary.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: And I I it's almost like I have a new
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: respect for Shipwreck because because I understand, like, oh, I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: too love integrity and I love trial, and I would
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: never think to put those two things together. So like
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: this is you know, even though young me was just
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: like what this this is crazy? You know, it's like,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I can't imagine what another like like knock
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Loose sounds crazy to me as an adult, but I
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: can hear it and go okay, you know, like there's
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: some entombed, there's you know, some of this and there
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: you know, indecision vocal kind of stuff. But if I
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: was twelve and I heard that, I would.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Just be like, what dude, you know, yeah, yeah, nothing's
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: new under the sun, but it doesn't need to be no,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: as long as everything's also borrowed under the sun.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: So truly, especially in hardcore, some of the best stuff
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: that's just it's like tattooing, you know. It's like some
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: of the best stuff is just preserving the legacy and
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: the culture and the history and just being like, you know,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: when someone's like, you know, your band sounds exactly like SSD,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: just being like yeah.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you get it, you know.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: So that should be the approach we start taking when
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: anybody says we sound like you know, Droue Church or
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Military Gun or any of those other bands that I said,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah yeah, because those they're awesome, you know.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sweet, Well, are you excited for Furness Fest?
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, can't wait.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: We actually we'll be touring out there with our friends Space,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: who are playing on Sunday. And originally we were supposed
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: to have a show on Friday with them, and we
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: were so bummed because we were gonna miss Texas as
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: the Reason and Jimmy World and Hot Water Music. But
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: things got moved around. So now our off day that
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: was Thursday is now Friday. We're gonna make it in
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: time to see everybody, so can't wait for that. And
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: then Saturday is gonna be awesome too.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: You're hanging out on Saturday.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: That's that's when we're playing Saturday.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Sorry, you're hanging out on Friday and you're
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: gonna play Saturday.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: You got it?
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sunday is still up in the air. I think
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: we we want to stick around, but it's gonna be
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: hard because most of the bands we want to see
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: are later in the day, aside from Space check out
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Space at two pm, I believe one pm something like that.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: But we we got to get a leg up on
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: the drive too, so we'll play buy here and see
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: what happens. They don't let me drive the van, so uh,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: it's not my not my call.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: What stage are you on again? Do you remember? So
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: there's the Pond stage, there's the Shed, and then there's
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: main stage pond.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: That's where we are.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pond, Yeah, good good, that'll be fun.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Be fun.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Culin will if you stage dive, Cullen will literally
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: pick you up and then take you to the pond
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: and throw you into the water of the pond that sunk.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: And so if you wanna, if you if you.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Want a viral moment, just jump up, find Culin, jump
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: into his arms, and then Colin will literally physically carry you.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Because Colin's big enough for this, he will physically carry
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you over to the pond and throw you into the pond. Lovely,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: all right, cool? Yeah, No, it's gonna be you know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: especially if it's I don't know if it's gonna be
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: hot day or not, but that might be a nice
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: refreshing little mid set, you know. Oh did but uh,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: just make sure you maybe you're not I don't really
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: know the battery power of a microphone, but like, maybe
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: just make sure you're not like holding a microphone when
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: you do that.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be wireless. I'm pretty sure
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: they're all wired.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, make sure they can check that wire make
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: sure you let go that wired microphone. And then let
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Colin just throw you in the pond. It won't be
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: my first electrocution, you know, won't be the last.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: But see, there you go.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: It's as long as it's not your last for real.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: So but yeah, you'll catch me in the ten yard
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: fight pit on Sunday or Saturday for sure. Yeah, and
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: then yeah, we're just gonna be hanging out Saturday, really
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: excited for all of it. Our buddies in Secret World.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: They're playing on Friday, so anybody who's going that day
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: check them out. They're coming all the way from Australia,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: so show them some later.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: They deserve some American love, that's what you're saying.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I mean they're they're getting it there. They
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: just announced they're doing it.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: They don't bring an inlamp Taipan.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna like freak out, like I like, if I
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm about to die from a venomous
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I don't really care. I think, Yeah, they think they
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: keep a snake in one of their guitar heads.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to you do breakdown, That's all
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: I want.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: No, they're an awesome band and they're about to be
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: taken over the world.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: So get a get in on it while you can.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: They're doing a full full US with High Viz right.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Now, and yeah, dude, it's gonna rip. It's a fun time.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Have you ever You haven't ever been? Have you?
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: No? No?
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, not as a fan or anything either.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: No, the lineup's always been awesome, but it especially as
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I've gotten older and you know, being in dands as
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: an adult and stuff like that, it feels like all
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: my free time kind of goes towards my own band
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: as opposed to when I was younger, and.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I would, you know, pack the car with my friends.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: And drive to Philadelphia for this is hardcore or something.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: So sure, well, and there's bills to pay and all
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: that stuff as well, so exactly, yeah, but stand out
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: but it well, for that reason, it's always so awesome
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: when we get to do stuff like this, So big
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: shout out to Furnace Fence for having us and making
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: it you know, possible for me to go. So oh yeah,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: those guys got great ears for for killer artists, especially
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: artists that I'm getting the attention yet that they deserve.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: And you guys are such a man. But let's get
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: into your top five most influential albums. Are you ready?
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I got him written down, so.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Killer Wow, he's ready to go prepared.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a list.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: It's a good list, Oh my goodness.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Because when when I was making the list, I was like,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: do I do my top five favorite of all time
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: or my most influential for squint And I did the latter,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: so I was happy to hear at the beginning that's
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: kind of what you wanted.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: So good, good, good.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: For number five, I have Blacklisted Heavier than Heaven, Lonelier
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: than God. Yeah, it's incredibly epic record name I saw.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I saw them when I was very young. Actually, the
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: song magic on Big Hand is about the first time
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I went to a you know, real larger hardcore show
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: and was just kind of like dumbfounded by everything happening
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: around me. And that was a Blacklisted concert. So Blacklisted
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: always have a extremely important place in my heart. And like,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: they are a band that's evolved a lot over time,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: you know, and every record they have I love. So
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it's hard to kind of narrow it down. But because
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: of basically me finding this record right after seeing them
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: at that show, just the time that I found the
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: time in my life when I found it. It has
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: like a certain like speed and urgency to it that's
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: just kind of like it's so start and stop and
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: like break necky that like it just truly like it.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: It meshes with the lyrics so well. Like their singer
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: who is another like huge maybe not so much a
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: lyrical influence on me, but vocally his delivery.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Is a huge influence on the way I do things.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: With Squint, he has very self loathing lyrics and very
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: kind of chaotic and like you know you and with
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: coupled with the music, you know, like the vulnerable lyrics
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: and all that just make it seem like you're inside
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: of this person's mind that's just losing it, you know.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: And then like I said, it's just absolute chaos, and
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: then they'll just snap it back into this hard mosh
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: part and it's just like.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: It it feels like mental health sometimes, you know.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: It's like things can be such a jumble and such
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: everything and then one thing like comes through and just
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: like you know, brings everything back into focus for you.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: And that's how like this record can feel for me.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: So love that description.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, I mean I love this record a lot,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: even like if you Google. Just like the album, Like,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: look at the album art. It's just like some of
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: the most powerful art I've ever you know, I love
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: this record, but the number four I've got the Earth
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: is flat by super Touch. Super Touch is kind of
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: like a band that gets kind of like slipped through
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: the cracks. Yeah, I feel like they're like a New
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: York hardcore band that a lot of people don't talk
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: about as much as maybe like Gorilla Biscuits or like
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Youth of Today. They shared numbers with all those bands,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: and Super Touch is like they were very just kind
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: of like pushing the envelope for the time. You know,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: they were very melody driven. A lot of people. If
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: you listen to the record, look it up, you'll be like,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: this isn't even a hardcore band, Like what are you
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: talking about? You know, it's clean singing, you know, it's
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: very it almost sounds like rush and stuff like that
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: at times. You know, but it's like it's just you know,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: people similar to you know. It's like this record came
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: out I think the year I was born. But it's
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: so cool that there was people back then who have
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: this similar approach to hardcore that I have now, where
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: they're not afraid to push the bump, you know, push
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the envelope, pull in other influences have acoustic guitars on
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: the record. This was a big, big record for me that,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: you know, Like I said, when my bandmates were like,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do some acoustic guitar stuff, I was like
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: what and Ian was like, you love stuff with acoustic guitars.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: And listening back to this record, there's acoustics all over
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: it and it you know.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: It's.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Incredible lyrics, like extremely introspective stuff for the time, you know,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: especially like in the scene, it was like there's one
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: of the first songs, like one of the first lyrics
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Mark Ryan says, you know, is basically saying he's been
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: staying up all night drinking and thinking about how things
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: are wrong. And this is like in a scene that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: was predominantly straight edge at the time, you know, and
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: like it's just cool that like he was, you.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Know, just doing things vulnerable and honestly, you know.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: And that's when I take a lot mostly from this record,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and again, incredible album art.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: On this one too.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, number three, I have illmatic by NOAs for
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: reasons I said earlier, just like the rhyme scheme, the flow,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: the visualization of everything that he does. It's just like
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: you can close your eyes and you can picture being
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: in you know, like middle of July nineteen ninety five,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: New York. You know, like you can fry an egg
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: on the sidewalk, you know, like do the right thing
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: kind of vibes and just like lyrically, there's so much,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: like I said, so much alliteration and stuff like that
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: that I've taken from nas and uh, so much of
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: just like the way that I flow over music and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the way that my cadences I can credit a lot
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: to him, you know, and go back to that.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Would you almost say like his flow almost has like
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: a rocking motion to it.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: It's is that?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Is that like a fair statement for Am I crazy?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: No? I could see that. It's certainly not like an
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: urgent kind of you know, it's not, No, it's like
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: the farthest it's easy. I mean, it's I guess it's
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: not the farthest thing from something like Buster rhymes or something.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, it's it's very like nonchalant,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: but also you know, like it's almost like there's multiple
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: times where it feels like he's letting the beat go
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: and then he just comes back in on it. And
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like I take that a lot to where
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: And also just even when I'm writing lyrics, I don't
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: approach them the same way a lot of other people do,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: not like a you know, like to my own horn
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: kind of way, but just if anything more of like
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: in like a ignorant way, you know, like I don't.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I was never formally taught how to write songs, so
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: like will Will our drummer will always be like, huh, well,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I you know, we got the song map over there
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: and that's the that's the verse, but she made it
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: a chorus.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: And I'd be like, oh, yeah.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Well is that cool, and he'd be like, yeah, you know,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: it's cool. But it's just like that the next part
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: is the chorus, you know, and you keep refraining on
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: the verse and you keep changing but yeah or whatever
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: you're knowing. So I mean, it's and a lot of
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: that like I won't understand where I you know, I'll
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: be like, oh man, that is weird. And then maybe
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I'll hear a NAS song you know, later on or
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: something like that where they do that and I go,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: oh man, that's where, you know, or you know, like
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: a like a Dinosaur junior song or something like that
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: where yeah, you know, I'm like this is where I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: you know, like I don't even know what a pre
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: chorus is, but I apparently wrote one because this J.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Mascus part slipped into my brain. You know.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: I almost think that more more artists in the scene
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: need to have, you know, an all bars song. You
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: know how like the greatest hip hop artists they always
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: have an all bars song.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: What like chorus?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's just straight bars all the
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: way through.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: That's so like how I will pre chorus.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: There's no bridge, there's no nothing else, it's just boa.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: That's how most by the way through my beds were
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: kind of growing up, you know, like Squints really the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: first band that I've had that has had like like
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: kind of like pop song structure and like, you know,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: the idea of verse chorus, verse kind of thing. You know.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: When I was younger, it was very much like I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe we did have songs that were like that,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: but it's if we did, it was only because Breakdown
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: had songs like that, you know, or like you know,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: sure we were just going off of that template. You know,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: but yeah, number two, then I got I'm Wide Awake
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: it this Morning by Bright Eyes. Like I said, I've
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: already I feel like talked about this one quite a bit,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: but like, like I said, just the age of finding
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  Speaker 1: this when I did, and like the impact of the
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  Speaker 1: songs had on me lyrically, it was one of the
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  Speaker 1: first records that I can really remembering like like sitting
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  Speaker 1: with the lyrics and really being like like replaying a
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  Speaker 1: song because of the lyrics.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Oh dang, we lose them.
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  Speaker 1: But uh yeah, it's like one of the first records
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  Speaker 1: I can really remember just kind of like sitting with
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  Speaker 1: the lyrics and h like really feeling the depth of them,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: you know. And as I said too, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like the lasting effect of that record on me.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's something that when I was in my mid teens,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I probably would have never even admitted to liking at
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: any point, But now that I'm older, I can like
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  Speaker 1: reflect on it and just see how much of an
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: impact it had on me. And then number one, I
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: gotta go with Bright Side by Killing Time. It's just
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  Speaker 1: the absolute full package as far as like a record
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  Speaker 1: like it kind of honestly as funny as it is
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  Speaker 1: to say, with like stuff like Bright Eyes on the list,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of combines everything that is on this list
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  Speaker 1: into one album.
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  Speaker 3: For me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's like lyrically incredible, it's hard, it's catchy
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  Speaker 1: somehow still you know, like it's it's got melodies and
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  Speaker 1: like hard lyrics that will somehow like creep into your
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  Speaker 1: brain and you'll be humming them late and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: and and just the the melody of the record. Like
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  Speaker 1: it's such a hard record, but there's so much another
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  Speaker 1: band that considered listing that have similar tendencies as a
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: band like Crown of Thorns, but the couple bands, yeah,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: I mentioned them just because they both do the kind
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: of thing where it's just like extremely melodic and pretty riffs,
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  Speaker 1: but it's somehow still just so crushing and hard and
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  Speaker 1: extremely vulnerable lyrics you know about like heartbreak and things
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  Speaker 1: that you know, ostensibly like a large tattooed construction worker
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine wouldn't be opening up about, but
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: you know, like when I don't know, it's just something
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  Speaker 1: so cool about you know, like the hardness and the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: softness to it, you know, and luckily we are you know,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. We're actually playing with Killing Time next
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: weekend before on tour on our way to Furnish Fest,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: will be playing with them in Little Rock. So I'm
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: super excited about that. And what an honor. What I
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: love about your list is you know, whether it's like
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Killing Time or some of the couple of the other
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: hardcore bands you mentioned, and then like obviously you have
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: like you have nas, you have bright eyes in there.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's like it's such a it weirdly enough, like
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: with Squint, like you kind of hear all of those influences,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Like if you're paying attention closely, I think you hear
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: all of that. Like like you mentioned before, like obviously
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Squints a hardcore band, right, like, so you hear the
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: hardcore elements, but then you also hear, like you know,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: some of these different hardcore bands that you mentioned like
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: kind of have these like really interesting dynamic influences where
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: they're playing their their their their guitar writing is a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: little different than maybe it's just like a straight up
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  Speaker 1: like hardcore band, and so you hear a little bit
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: of that, and then obviously you talk a little bit
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: like vocally like there's kind of the way you Cadence,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: maybe some of your lyrics at times is similar to
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: NAS or like the way that you like go back
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: on some of your choruses with Bright Eyes. Like there's
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: just like there's some of these influences where I'm like,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: as you mentioned some of them, I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: that kind of makes sense, like totally I can hear that,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Like it actually makes sense so as much as like
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: so many of the like whether it's NAS or Bright
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  Speaker 1: Eyes or even some of the hardcore beans, like as
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: much as they're all different from each other, Like I'm like, oh,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I can kind of hear a little bit of that
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  Speaker 1: all in Squint, which is really cool. Like I love
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: the fact that, like you have this like diverse influential
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: list and you can hear to some degree if you're
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: paying attention closely, you can hear all of that in Squint.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that's awesome. Thank you so much. Yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like art in general. You know, like I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: said a little bit earlier, I kind of closed myself
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: off to so much stuff when I was younger that I,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: you know, was drawn to, but I didn't want to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: admit to myself that I was that, you know, now
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: in hindsight, I'm starting to understand just how culminative, you know,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: every influence is in general, and you know, like I mean,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: it doesn't just stop with even music, you know, like
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: you can pull all kinds of stuff into you know,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: like some of the best aspects of hardcore, especially when
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I look back in hindsight, are when bands pull from,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: you know, other aspects of other genres and stuff like that.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: And you know, like what when Gorilla Biscuits had trumpets
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: on their record, I bet they got in a harmonica.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: I bet they got made fun of. But they were
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: trying new things, and they were doing things differently, and
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: they were wearing their hearts on their sleeves and so
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't even say I try to do
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: that with Squint, you know, if I try to do
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: anything with it, it's just go into it with an
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: empty mind, you know, and just what comes out is
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: what comes out. Yeah, Yeah, that's what a true artist
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  Speaker 1: does in my mind. So and obviously I've never made music,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: but that's that's how I would imagine, like a really
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: good artist conceives of their music for sure.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: So I get that.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: So, Brennan, what do you want to plug obviously it
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: sounds like new Squid music will be coming out soon.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: Obviously there's plenty of shows coming out. But yeah, what
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: what do you what do you all want to plug?
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: I guess I'll meet our Our bassist has like a
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: new movie coming out soon. He's like an actor guy.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's with the what's that dude's name?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Brian Cranston, the like breaking bad guy. Yeah, yeah, my bad.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: I had to I had to.
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  Speaker 3: Look look at my list real quick too. Let's see
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: what the guy's name was.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Jake's playing opposite him, so you'll should
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: check that out. What like, like what kind of what
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: kind of like movie or show is this that he
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: would be playing with Brian Cranson like because like Brian Cranton, like,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: and it's not like he's no sloush, Like clearly he
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, you know, the guy, like you're
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: familiar with him, I've never I mean I'm familiar with
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: his work.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: I've never met him. Actually I did take a little
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: selfie with.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Him at one point, but I've never met him. Other
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: than like should I keep saying I've never met him.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: It's not like I'm like hanging out with the guy.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: It has something to do with like a like a
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: pool shark or something like that. Who starts he like
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: gets in dad with the mob and he has to
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: start flipping Pokemon cards to make his money. It's I
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: don't know, you'd have to Jake explained it to me.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: But I hope Jake has the right Pokemon cards. I'm
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: just saying, like, you know, for for.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: Jake's sake, I just hope that he he's he's got
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: the right charzyard.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I don't even I don't know, but yeah, no, check
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: out Jake's movie. I forge like, I I don't even
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: know if it has a title yet, but just google
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Jake Lindsay, Brian Kranz Stan and it should.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: Come right up.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Well, in addition to that, I mean, no, we're going
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: on tour, you know, so check us out if you're
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: out east. We're playing around with our friends in space,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: playing with our friends in prim be in New York
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: City for the Sunday Drive showcase. Just love it that
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: in Jake's movie is all I can really think of.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Great, wonderful.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Well, we're super stoked to not only see this movie,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I mean, I'm a huge Brian Cranston fan,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: so like the fact that I didn't even know that
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: he was in this new movie. So this, this is incredible.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: So I'm excited for that.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: And also obviously Colin and I are going to see
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: you literally in a week and a half actually, yeah,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: like just basically a week and a half, we're going
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: to see you guys play, and I cannot I cannot wait.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: We're gonna freak out. It's gonna be so much fun.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: And you never know, like Colin literally might just like
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: carry you over to a pond and ump you in
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: a pond and you're gonna have to deal with that.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Damn Well, all right, Tom, that's what we're looking forward to.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: So thank you so much Brendan for chatting Moore a
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: little bit more about Squint.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: And yeah, we're just super site excited to see you guys.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Of course, y'all, thanks for having me