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The Occult Rejects with Michael Collins (Wandering Wolf) · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 1: What help?
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
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  Speaker 4: This episode, we got a very special guest, somebody I've
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  Speaker 4: been looking to get on this show for a minute
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  Speaker 4: now and I was finally able to make it happen.
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  Speaker 4: But before we introduced the guests, let me introduce the
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  Speaker 4: other rejects on the show. We got my man, the
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  Speaker 4: Headless Giant. What is going on?
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  Speaker 3: Sir? How are you?
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  Speaker 1: How you doing?
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  Speaker 5: You can find me at the Headless Giant on Twitter
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  Speaker 5: and on YouTube and on Instagram as well. And if
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  Speaker 5: you have any occult slash, esoteric, slash, strange, dream slash
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  Speaker 5: encounter stories, you can send them to my email at
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  Speaker 5: the Headless Giant podcast and and we will read those
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  Speaker 5: on Thursday tomorrow with my co host Nick. And also
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  Speaker 5: I've got the trialogue on Sunday with Ethan, so definitely
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  Speaker 5: check those out.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome you're still doing that with Ricardo.
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  Speaker 5: Too, Well, he's uh, he's sort of going around the
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  Speaker 5: country right now from conference to conference, so it's kind
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  Speaker 5: of hard for him to check in.
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  Speaker 3: So gotcha, gotcha? I forgot about that? Uh all right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And definitely send in the If you send in
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  Speaker 4: any stories, leave an address and I'll send you out
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  Speaker 4: some free stickers. We were supposed to have a guest tomorrow,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't know this crazy cat lady hasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Hit me back, so who the fuck knows?
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  Speaker 4: So all right, we'll see what happens tomorrow, but definitely
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  Speaker 4: check it out. And next my man Tyrone, what is
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  Speaker 4: going on?
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  Speaker 1: Sir?
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  Speaker 2: What's up everybody?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 6: First of all, I got to say by headless Giants art,
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  Speaker 6: you'll get your shit right now. Sew that off right
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  Speaker 6: now in Ethan's book, Get his book, because I support
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  Speaker 6: both of them and what they do. Ben in his podcast, Yo,
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  Speaker 6: I love your background when it says it so type, bro,
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  Speaker 6: I gotta set minds up better than that. Bro.
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  Speaker 2: Your cit is really nice.
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  Speaker 6: And nice to meet you, Michael. I appreciate it of
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  Speaker 6: being here today to get this knowledge from you. Thank
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  Speaker 6: you for everything. Nick, you the man you I always
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  Speaker 6: tell you that shit you already you know. Everything you
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  Speaker 6: can find on me is on my website Rebirth of
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  Speaker 6: theWord dot com head Let's just showed you his pictures.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to buy one when I go to the
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  Speaker 6: fort Myers Convention with mich and to Florida just in
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  Speaker 6: the next few days.
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  Speaker 2: So just support everybody.
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  Speaker 6: Everything you can find on me, like I said, it
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  Speaker 6: is on my website, Rebirth of theWord dot com. I
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  Speaker 6: wrote a best selling book, Journey through the Origins of History.
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  Speaker 6: Please support that. Look, if you don't want to buy
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  Speaker 6: the book, just go to my website. I literally share
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  Speaker 6: damnly everything that I wrote in my book on my website.
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  Speaker 6: But eventually one day my website is not going to
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  Speaker 6: be there, so my book has ane being. So you
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  Speaker 6: always have a continued of knowledge. Thank you, appreciate everything.
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  Speaker 3: Max.
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  Speaker 4: You got that ICEBN great stuff. No, thank you, Shu,
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  Speaker 4: and we got our man, Ethan Indigo, what is going on?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'm rocking the Hell Island Rainbow edition of the
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  Speaker 7: Colt Rejects.
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  Speaker 8: Hell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, appreciate you.
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  Speaker 9: Nick, you're the man, Tyrone said, and yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 10: Check book and uh Headless's paintings are are are incredible,
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  Speaker 10: and yeah Bennett, big fan, Michael, I'm really excited to
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  Speaker 10: be here, and yeah, I'm easy to find on all
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  Speaker 10: the social media and yeah, props.
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  Speaker 3: So very glad you can make it.
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  Speaker 4: Ethan, I was happy to see you one today and last,
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  Speaker 4: but not at least before we get to the guest.
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  Speaker 3: We got Benny. What is going on?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, guys, thanks for having me on. Nick Headless,
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  Speaker 8: Tyrone Ethan go check him out. Their stuff is great. Michael,
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  Speaker 8: huge fan. I got some questions for you, So I'm ready.
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  Speaker 8: I appreciate it. Check me out at broadcasting seeds dot com.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome, Awesome, I'm really glad.
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  Speaker 4: I was happy to know when two people were like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my god, I love that guy's stuff, I was like, ohat, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually giving you a guest you want to talk to.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm very happy about that.
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  Speaker 4: Real quick before we get to Michael, though, because I'll
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  Speaker 4: forget and I'll mention it at the end and everybody
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  Speaker 4: will shut it off. By then December and December October eighteenth,
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  Speaker 4: fort Myers Charlie's Beyond Belief, Me and Tyrone will be
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  Speaker 4: there in Florida with a booth, and Brook from Dark
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  Speaker 4: Florida and the Occult Rejects will be speaking at that event.
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  Speaker 4: And then the twenty fifth and twenty sixth I will
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  Speaker 4: be at Arkansas and I will have a boot there.
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  Speaker 3: It's a two day event at.
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  Speaker 4: A museum, two levels, tons of shit going on, tons
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  Speaker 4: of stuff there.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely check out that one if you can.
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  Speaker 4: I will have I'll have Headless's art facale, and I
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  Speaker 4: will have our T shirts. So check it out. And
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  Speaker 4: Tyrone will be at one of them. He'll have the
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  Speaker 4: books and if he wants to leave me and he'll
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  Speaker 4: take some of the Arkansas. So come and check us out. Finally,
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  Speaker 4: after all that, we got Michael Collins Wandering Wolf Productions.
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  Speaker 3: What is going on, sir? Please let everybody know who
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  Speaker 3: the hell you are.
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  Speaker 1: Well, first, thank you guys so much for having me here.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, you guys have some pretty six swag there.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a coffee mug, I see a T shirt
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  Speaker 1: kind of going on.
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  Speaker 4: Man, the coffee bugs are actually those Those are gifts
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  Speaker 4: that I send out to the people on the show.
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  Speaker 3: But the shirts are available.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome. I Mike with Wondering Wolf Productions. I basically
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  Speaker 1: travel around the world filming ancient sites. I like to
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  Speaker 1: focus on sites that are maybe less known. I mean
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  Speaker 1: all the big sites and stuff too, but I go
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  Speaker 1: to places that are maybe a little less known. I
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  Speaker 1: love getting out and adventuring around and stuff. I do
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  Speaker 1: have a conference coming up. I run tours too. The
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  Speaker 1: conference is December in Scottsdale. This is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a big one. We've got a stellar lineup. Jimmy Corsetti
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  Speaker 1: AJ from the Wi Files, David Hatcher, Childress, Gary Buschler
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  Speaker 1: from their Grotic Golly, Michael Button, Dan Richards who you
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  Speaker 1: just had on. Yes, bunch a bunch of big names.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be an awesome event, and yours truly.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be there as well, so I hope to see
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  Speaker 1: everybody there. It's going to be an awesome event. Scottsdale,
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  Speaker 1: December fifth through the seventh. That's this December, so coming
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  Speaker 1: up quick. Got to grab your tickets because they're gone fast.
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  Speaker 1: So we got we got a good prices on those tickets.
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  Speaker 1: You can come for three days for two fifty.
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  Speaker 3: Oh sure, okay, yeah, I actually got to talk to
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  Speaker 3: you about that.
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  Speaker 1: They're tears, so yeah, so jump on them now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I'll drop the link to my website in the chat,
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  Speaker 1: so if people want to check that out, they can
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  Speaker 1: hit that go to the website. They can also see
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  Speaker 1: the events and different stuff that is, like tours and
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  Speaker 1: stuff that are going on and I got a book
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  Speaker 1: coming out too nice. So I got a book I'm
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  Speaker 1: dropping in a few months here, probably before the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year.
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  Speaker 3: That's all. Some nice books are always great. Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if Mike and Dave, but I think
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  Speaker 4: Mike and Britney from Mike and Dave's Multiverse are going
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  Speaker 4: to your show.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to that thing coming up, and there are
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  Speaker 3: bugging me about going solo.
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 3: I am thinking about it. I am thinking about it again.
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  Speaker 3: I'll talk to you after the show. I really would
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  Speaker 3: like to see about a boot So if you I'll
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  Speaker 3: talk to you about that one you talk about it
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  Speaker 3: on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect, Yeah, yeah, well yeah, let's talk after that because
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  Speaker 1: we could. We can hook it up.
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  Speaker 3: We try something up. All right, funk, Where was I
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  Speaker 3: going with this?
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you, all right, so what was it?
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  Speaker 3: I guess where did you start?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 4: How was it like all of a sudden, You're like
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to start going out and looking at stuff
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  Speaker 4: like like like when did that creep up in your
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  Speaker 4: head have become a passion?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'll give you the kind of give you
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  Speaker 1: the PG version. I guess if you guys want more,
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  Speaker 1: you can ask. I was working in sales.
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  Speaker 2: I want the rated R version rated R.
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  Speaker 1: I uh. I was working in sales for like twelve years.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ex military. I got out. I ended up in
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  Speaker 1: and doing a sales shop. I was just miserable. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not the kind of person that could just work for
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  Speaker 1: a paycheck. I need a purpose, right So, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was really at a low point in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I was pretty heavily addicted to drugs. This is in
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  Speaker 1: my early thirties, mid thirties, and I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's just something came over me that was like, what
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  Speaker 1: are you doing? You know, I was looking at other
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  Speaker 1: people in my profession and that were older than me,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, is this what you want? Is
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  Speaker 1: this where you're going? And I'd been into all, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was serving in the military during nine to eleven,
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  Speaker 1: so there was a lot of things that I was
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  Speaker 1: witnessed to behind the scene in terms of you know,
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  Speaker 1: the military, the government, how things work, what's really going on.
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  Speaker 1: They were pushing anthrax vaccines back then, all sorts of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, you know version one.
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  Speaker 4: Are they trying to tell you you're going to be exposed
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  Speaker 4: to anthraxs. That's where they want to give it to you.
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  Speaker 3: Like, what's that?
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  Speaker 4: Were they trying to tell you might be exposed anthracks?
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  Speaker 4: So that's why we want to give you this.
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  Speaker 1: Like yeah, and they were trying to make me do
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  Speaker 1: the anthrax vaccent.
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  Speaker 11: Yo.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you, Michael, how many shots did you get?
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  Speaker 1: So when I joined in basic, I went down a
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  Speaker 1: hallway with like six nurses or something on both sides
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  Speaker 1: just hitting me in both shoulder step up, shoulder step.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know what I was getting.
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  Speaker 2: And I was so young, at least twenty bro.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was so young, I didn't even have the.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you have.
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  Speaker 6: You didn't have the knowledge to fight back again. And
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  Speaker 6: that's that's interesting that you brought that up, because anthrax
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  Speaker 6: was a fucked up thing at that time.
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  Speaker 1: Yo. Yeah, it was yeah, and Andy. By the time
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  Speaker 1: I was getting out, they were pushing that. I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, you know, just from the experience
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  Speaker 1: that we just talked about from when I joined. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: getting a look behind the curtain wash you know how
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  Speaker 1: things run and how how they you know, how things
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  Speaker 1: like the real the way the machine really works. And
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  Speaker 1: so you know, flash forward to again back in my
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  Speaker 1: in my thirties. You know, I was at this really
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  Speaker 1: low point and I just kind of something came over
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  Speaker 1: to me. It was like, you could just quit. You're
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  Speaker 1: miserable here. You could just quit and then you can't
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  Speaker 1: get any things couldn't get any worse than where they
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  Speaker 1: were at for me.
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  Speaker 3: So like even starting over, it's like I'm not fucking nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah did it? Nothing mattered anymore. So I I ended
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  Speaker 1: up quitting within two weeks. I was sober, and I
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  Speaker 1: started traveling and I ended up at Sachs and Mouman.
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  Speaker 1: And as soon as I went to that site and
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  Speaker 1: put my hands on those stumps, I just I knew
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  Speaker 1: immediately that this is what I wanted to do. And
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  Speaker 1: I haven't stopped traveling since. I just made it work.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know, I didn't have any experience. I'm still
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  Speaker 1: not good at what I do is the filming and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: There's you know, but I just decided not to quit.
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  Speaker 1: And that's all I've been doing for ten years now.
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  Speaker 1: It's like not quitting. I got a little better at
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  Speaker 1: some things, but never quit. Here we are.
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  Speaker 6: You leave in a mark on this planet. And I
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  Speaker 6: say this all the time, or I say this to
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  Speaker 6: so many people. You die twice on this planet. You
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  Speaker 6: die once when you're physically gone, when your body's no more,
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  Speaker 6: you died a second side when nobody mentions your name.
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  Speaker 2: So keep doing what you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that the way to stay at God.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know, the last ten years have
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  Speaker 1: just kind of taken me all over the world. It's
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  Speaker 1: I have any anywhere and everywhere that I thought might
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  Speaker 1: interest me I've just immediately just said yes to and gone.
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  Speaker 1: Things are getting a little more professional these days, I
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  Speaker 1: guess you would say the last year.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I could say just from listening to this
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  Speaker 4: show from the exception till now, you're like, what the
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  Speaker 4: fuck happened is totally different. Even I'm totally different. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I guess just with age I calm down or something.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but you know, I can see what
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  Speaker 4: you're saying. Like I've even tried to step up and
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  Speaker 4: try to you know, you know, figure out the fucking
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  Speaker 4: shit I'm actually using. You know, maybe I'll actually watch
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  Speaker 4: them tutorials on my equipment at this point.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, but actual adult about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so like maybe I'll
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  Speaker 4: actually read the instructions before I put the table together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's leveling up. And like, bro, you leveling up.
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  Speaker 2: You know if you if you're the same person when
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  Speaker 2: you was twenty years old, then you a problem. Problem.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, totally right.
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  Speaker 3: They say that too.
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  Speaker 4: If you get into occultism or like witchcraft the magic,
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  Speaker 4: if you're thinking and beliefs that the same way at
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  Speaker 4: the beginning where you are now, you're doing fucking something
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  Speaker 4: wrong because that shiit should always be evolving and changing
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  Speaker 4: or growing at least.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I hear what you're saying.
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  Speaker 4: I guess, Michael, if you don't mind, unless anybody else
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  Speaker 4: has any questions right now, I'm just wanting to ask you.
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  Speaker 3: I guess, uh, which which which spot was the one
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  Speaker 3: that popped to cherry?
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  Speaker 4: You know where you went for I guess your first
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  Speaker 4: spot to kind of get into all.
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  Speaker 1: This Peru sexually my mom was that first spot that
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  Speaker 1: I hit. And then you know, when I was there,
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  Speaker 1: I did Manchu Pichu and you know, all the main
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  Speaker 1: stuff there in Peru, and then after that it was
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  Speaker 1: just kind of a whirlwind for several years of just
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  Speaker 1: traveling anywhere and everywhere. You know, I me'd be here.
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  Speaker 1: It take the whole time for me to tell you
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  Speaker 1: all the places. I mean, its hundreds and hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: ancient sites that I visited around the world. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm somewhere The channel logo says two hundred,
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  Speaker 1: but I think when I sit down and count, and
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm over at three somewhere, at three fifty
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  Speaker 1: plus ancient sites visited. I don't know anymore. I'd have
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  Speaker 1: to sit down and look at it. So it's been
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  Speaker 1: all over the world, and God, it's been fascinating. That's
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  Speaker 1: given me a perspective on you know, kind of this,
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  Speaker 1: this perspective on on on these sites and and the
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  Speaker 1: idea of them. A lot of this, these things being
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  Speaker 1: interconnected from all the different types of similarities, not not
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  Speaker 1: even similarities sometimes exact you know, types of constructions and
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  Speaker 1: stone working and and everything from mythology and legend and
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  Speaker 1: folklore and too, you know, ancient works and stone working
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  Speaker 1: and styles and stuff, symbolism and everything. It's given me
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  Speaker 1: quite a quite a look by in effect. And then
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  Speaker 1: you know that is also kind of especially over the
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  Speaker 1: last year given me a perspective similar to what I
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  Speaker 1: described about being in the army, getting a look behind
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  Speaker 1: the curtain of how these sites are managed and reconstructed
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  Speaker 1: around the world, which has been this year has been
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  Speaker 1: interesting more than any other year. This year has really
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  Speaker 1: kind of you know, honestly, it was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a blow. It was a little depressing and discouraging
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  Speaker 1: for a bit once I realized the extent of the
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  Speaker 1: process is involved in reconstructing sites around the world, and
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  Speaker 1: I kind of had to sit with that for months
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  Speaker 1: and months to like kind of find my passion again
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  Speaker 1: and not be so bummed out about it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I went over to Turkey with Jimmy exposed
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  Speaker 1: all the trees and different stuff over there, and that
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  Speaker 1: was big news for a while, and that put me
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  Speaker 1: in the crosshairs of the archaeologis community and it kind
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  Speaker 1: of made me double down and start exposing more. I
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  Speaker 1: put out a video Exposing Archaeology or Archaeology Exposed, and
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  Speaker 1: that videos basically I took shots from the last ten
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  Speaker 1: years of me traveling around the world, just showing these
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  Speaker 1: examples of some of the bad practices going on that
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  Speaker 1: are just like the stone working and things. These ancient
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  Speaker 1: stone workings are very similar. Also, the way these sites
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  Speaker 1: are being managed and handled and reconstructed are also similar.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, you see the same type of things
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  Speaker 1: going on in Turkey that you do in Central and
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  Speaker 1: South America.
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  Speaker 5: Michael, all of these all of these mngos really interested
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  Speaker 5: in taking control over these sites. Yeah, hopefully go Becky,
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  Speaker 5: Teppy and other places. It seems like they're trying to
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: make this sort of entertainment industry out of these sites.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, actually doing any kind of digging or explanation
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: of any of this stuff.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: And that's the depressing part. It's big business. So heritage
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: tourism right now sits it somewhere, which is what this is,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: sits it somewhere over five hundred billion dollars, right that's
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: projected to grow in the next by twenty thirty one
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: thirty two, that's expected to be somewhere up close to
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: eight hundred billion, and in ten, in less than ten years,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: it'll be a trillion dollar a year industry. So you know,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: when these archaeologists and different people argue and say that,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you know, the powers that be that are running all
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: these sites, I always, you know, always have the best
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: interest of the site in mind in terms of history discovery,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and it's just bullshit, It's comical. I can't even take
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: that type of argument seriously. We're talking about an like
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: an insane amount of money, an absolutely insane amount of money.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: This is a bigger industry than you know. I mean
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: this that puts it in one of the top industries
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: in the entire world as heritage tourism. So it's big
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: money and places are regularly faked built up, and you
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: know it's uh yeah, it's all in Mexico, man, you
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: know that it really sucks, you know, because I love
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Central South American I love visiting these sites. But yeah,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I mean Tatocon that's a pile of concrete. I mean
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: it's completely covered in concrete. That's all concrete. Cheecha, that's concrete.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: All these sites I just was in Guatemala to call
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: they're completely on site rebuilding stones that they're making out
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: of concrete and reshaping these pyramids. So they're not excavating
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the pyramids, they're just covering them in concrete, concrete blocks,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: concrete stones, trees, and so they build around them. And
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: so it looked after a year, all those that concrete
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and those stones and stuff. Sometimes they're shaping them with
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: line and lines, but you know, making lines of but
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: don't leave the trees in them. So in a year,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: those stones won't be white anymore. They'll be all dirty
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: and overgrown with moss and stuff, and they'll look old,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and then you have trees sticking out of them. The
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: average person can't can't tell the difference.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Right man.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I ask you a question, Michael.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you brought up go Beckley type and that's very interesting.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: You know, you brought up Jimmy Corsetti an idea of
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: the trees and you know what is destroying underneath and
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: stuff like that. Do you think that Jimmy Corsetti could
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: use a little bit more help and representation to get
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: this ship fixed and resolved rather than being solo. Because
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: the reason and one of the reasons why I access
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: because you are you are an announce. You enunciated the
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: amount of money that it takes for people to do
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: stuff like this. Now, Jimmy Corse said, he is only
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: one person. You're only one person. As two people, if
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: we have a group of individuals that work together, do
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: you think that it would be more prominent for these
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: individuals to take a serious one idea of destruction from
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: go back to Tepe or do you think that these
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: individuals are only waiting for somebody to with big money
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: to sit there and step on their toes and be like, look,
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: you need to fix this shit today.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: It's tough. I don't know how you go to head
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: head to head with you know, multinational corporations and stuff
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: that are running and stuff. I think Jimmy's a one
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: man army. He's fucking rocking it, dude, and he's holding
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: them people account and he's been going hard for the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: last month or two since doctor Lee Clair got back
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: online on Twitter. So you know, Jimmy's pressure got those
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: trees and lived. He got he he was able to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: enact change. We showed up the day that they removed
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: those trees. We had no idea.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, pressure bus piz bro and he did that shit
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: Like That's why I'm That's why I'm asking.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm specifically asking.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: If we had more. You can't have a one man army, Okay,
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: there's no way you can have the one army. Not
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: one person can change anything, but one person can bring
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: aus to other individuals.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: That can help change things.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: So my next question is who do you think that
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: is next to Jimmy Corsetti that will be able to
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: bring the representation of history and knowledge to the people
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: rather than sitting here being hey, I'm arguing with one
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: on one person. You know, somebody has millions and billions
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: of dollars. Somebody has a couple of million dollars. The
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: person with the billions of dollars can shut that motherfucker
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: down quick, right, So we have to understand and that
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: when we bring people back together. One thing that I
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: like about Nick is that he has a group of
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: individuals with specialties. Okay, it's not just one person that
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: can say that they know something. There's a numerous individuals
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: that can say something and bring the representation of knowledge
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: to the front of individuals. How can we accomplish that
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: if we only assuming that one person is a one
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: man army.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: You know, like the people. If if people feel passionate
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: enough about something like go Betty Deppy, they need they
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: need to get involved and be vocal like Jimmy's doing.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: And you know, I mean he he is making changes.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: He got the trees removed by pressure. When you have
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: a you know, you got to remember, someone like Jimmy,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: who has almost two million followers, is like enacting. You know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: he's mobilizing his following and he did that to get
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: those trees when moved to put public pressure and really,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: you know, you you made a great point. When somebody
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: has more money, you know, it's hard to combat that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: when you don't have the money. And the way to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: combat that is basically Jimmy's writing the blue the blueprint
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: for that. It's taking your your followers and mobilizing your
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: support to put public pressure on because companies like the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Docius group don't want people looking at them. People. Look,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: it's not Lee Claire that I mean, he's the guy
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: running the site right and representing all that, But who's
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: really pulling the strings over there. It's the people that
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: have Exact Company and these companies that have invested millions
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of dollars to have rights to manage the site, and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: they don't want to be in the spotlight. They don't
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: want to be in the Turkish.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: And that's part of my problem, Michael, is that you
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: have people on the outside of the box putting money
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: in to people who they believe is a representation of
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: their narrative.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, everybody has a narrative when we pick up a book.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: If all six of us right now picked up a book,
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: I guarantee you if we had a discussion after we
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: read that book, we will all have different narratives. Oh yeah, Now,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: what evidence and facts can you provide from that book
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: that backs up your narrative?
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: And that's the problem.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: Everybody can piece pick a piece of the puzzle to say, hey, yo,
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: I'm backing up my narrative because it is that in
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: the third and then when you bring this that in
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: the third, somebody else has to bring this that in
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: the third to the table. So that's why I'm asking, Oh,
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: go ahead, bro. It's just supreme.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: The supreme irony in all of this is that it's
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: a win win situation, totally win win. The more Jimmy
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Corsetti brings eyes on this case, the more people want
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: to visit Gobecki Teppy, and the more study they do
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: and the more findings they get out of that place,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: the more people are willing to visit go Back and Teppy.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: That's the thing that gets me is like this is
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: so anti business what they're engaging in. It's almost laughable.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: But it seems like it's that way on every level now,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: on these corporate hierarchies, it's just they don't really care
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: about money as long as they can, you know, take
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: a little off the top and retire to whatever home
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: they're in. They don't care about these sites. You know,
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: it really is up to us to not only get
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: the attention back on this because there was a lot
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: of pressure and a lot of the tension. For a
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: couple of weeks, it felt like that was something we
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: could win, and so a lot of people got on
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: board with it. You know. I think that's that's the
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: real uh you know kicker here is we could all
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: be winning from this if they just you know, had
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: a little bit more you know, respect.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: For the consumers. Yeah, and look, I'm not against tourism.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not against heritage tourism. I'm not against tourism to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: ancient sites and visiting these sites. I just, you know,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I think that there's a I think you know that
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that you know, not every there's a lot of places
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that are doing good things. And I'm not trying to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: shit on every archaeologist out there either. I think that
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I just think, you know, if we're staying on Go
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Beckley to the topic of Go Beckley Teppe. I think
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that there was just a lot of kind of you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: things going wrong there that needed to be addressed, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they started getting addressed, and it looks like something like
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the spotlight is on that place now and that's what
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: we wanted, right and I think that's what was needed.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: There's people on both sides now daily talking about Go
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Beckley Teppee, and that makes it a lot harder for
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: shady shit to go down, and so hopefully that can change,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the way things. Hopefully that affects things that
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: are happening there on a day to day basis.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: When it comes to Go Beckley Tepe, what is the
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: most profound evidence that you found that there's a civilization
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: that preceded before any civilization on this plannet And what
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: I mean by civilization and I need you to explain it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: What is your understanding of a civilization before you get
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: into death Go Beckley type being older.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Go Beckley Tepee and that that whole region that the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Todds Tepla region it's is, you know, because there's sites
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that are there that are older than Go Beckley Teppe.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: You know this is and I'm sorry trying to isn't
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: a lot, right, Yeah, I don't. You know. My thoughts
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: on Go Beckley Teppy and It's important is that it's
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: hugely important. You pointed out a lot of connections around them.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I feel like every ancient site
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: is basically connected to some other ancient site that it
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be by time and symbols and construction and examples
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and things like that. You know, Go Beckley Teppey is
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: a perfect example. And we just have a fraction of
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the pillars with those carvings and stuff excavated. I mean,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I think the site is only at like five percent.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: If you want to see somebody who's doing really good
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: work on this Arcaic Lens is like crushing it right now.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: He's going hard on connecting these symbols to other sites
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: around the world. So some that you didn't mention would
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: be Easter Island and the bird with the sun or
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the symbol you know, holding the and and that symbol
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: also being found at Go Beckley Teppee. There's a lot
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of connections that he's been making lately that are that
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I've been really enjoying watching and I think he needs
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to get quite a bit more eyes on him and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: credit for his work. And I love his stuff, but yeah,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you know, they it's it's it's hard to say. There's
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: hundreds more pillars that we know are at go Beckley
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Teppe and and you know, so we have a fraction
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of the site excavated giving us information about our history
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: or prehistory.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Isn't the site kind of an archipelago? So you've got
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: like other tuppies or other hills that they know have
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: these pillars inside of them that they haven't even unearthed
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: or you know, aving shit. So it's it's so much
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: more richer than people even know, and yet they barely
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: scratched the sit.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Could be a wealth of knowledge that would you know,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: reveal a lot to us. And I think you know
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: where you know, where I kind of come into all
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: this in terms of contributing is a bit more of
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: what I kind of explained earlier about traveling around the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: world and seeing these different interconnecttionss. If you're you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: breaking certain stuff down and getting in depth into like
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: details of historical sites and information, you know there's going
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to be some better people out there for that. What
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I can say is is that what I see happening
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: around the world is is that we've developed basically this
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: system of excavating these ancient sites up to five maybe
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: five to twenty percent at most. Right, most of these
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: sites never get excavated at anywhere beyond twenty percent on average.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I think worldwide it's like twenty percent that sites usually
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: get excavated to. And so we've built this entire understanding
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: of our history on what up to an absolute fraction
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: fragments of what's available to us and what could be
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: available to us. Right, So I think you know, the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: answer is we don't know. And that's what people in
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: our positions that are interested in all this are upset about,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: especially when you start getting into stuff like gobeclea tepee
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and they're putting out information like we're not going to
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: excavate for one hundred and fifty years. We're not going
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to fully excavate the site. I mean, the head archaeologist
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: of the site has said that out loud that he's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: not going to excavate the site. He has no plans
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: or intentions to do that. So how are we supposed
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to build any kind of nut with just that we have.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: We're already making connections all over the place.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: True, Michael Man, if you don't mind, you had mentioned
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: earlier that you had seen common things popping up at
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: different spots. I would like if maybe we could revisit that,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: because I found that very interesting. There was something else
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about, but since you brought that up,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: I wanted to get to that. Not to put you
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: on the spot, but if there's any examples that you
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: could give us, I would like that. If there was
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: maybe symbolism or even architecture.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: There's just like, you know, how did that get there?
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think symbolism is a great one to start with.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: We just you know, listed a bunch of examples there
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: with go Beckley Teppy and it's connections to other sites
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: around the world. But then you start getting into things
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: like nubs, scoop marks, holes, the key block things they're
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: you know between stones.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting. What do you think that's about? The
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: key lock Those are.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I think designed to keep the stone stable together, right, Like,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I've seen those everywhere from China to South America to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I mean everywhere, literally everywhere.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. I thought there was a certain
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: order that might have used that in their architecture. That
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: could be wrong. I don't know.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: You know, you see different styles, but they're very h
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: they're found all over the place.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Was that Did the Templars do that?
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: In there?
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: In their stuff? They put key holes?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Are you asking me?
• 32:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember, all right, No, I'm probably
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: totally wrong.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: It's just I remember seeing something where I thought they
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: were able to figure out that how old it was
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: in a predated what they thought it was older because
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: of the key hole symbol that matched something that could
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: be it even showed that people were here prior to Columbus.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I could be wrong. Maybe it's not a key hole,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: something close to it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I apologize, Yeah, I mean even the style of pyramids,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it does make sense if you're
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: going to build a pyramid to do step pyramids, right,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: But then you know, if you take out the outer cover,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: even in places like Egypt, you have examples of what
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: looked like step pyramids, which is always kind of made
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: me wonder if a lot of these other pyramids that
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: we found all over the world used to have casing
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: on the outside where they would have been smooth at
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: some point and it was removed or you know, deteriorated,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you know, because.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Well they think that happened over in Egypt as well,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: right on the pyramids.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: But Egypt so an interesting example because you know, being
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: in the desert, you know, you have you know a
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: lot of these other places like Cambodia for example. I mean,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you leave a site like that alone. You know, like
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: if a site in Cambodia was abandoned within ten years,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: it would be completely overrun with trees and vegetation that
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: would just damage it and destroy the exterior for like
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: a pyramid or something, all sorts of stuff that doesn't
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: happen in Egypt there in the.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Desert ank or watt they believed to be you know
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: a myth until like what the eighteen nineties or something
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: like that, So you know, they just found it in
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: the middle of the jungle. It was completely overtaken. Yeah,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: the whole Last City Temple complex.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: That's an incredible, incredible site. I mean, I think Cambodia
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: is the only place that I've ever been to where
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I was like I had to take a break from
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: visiting site. It was too it was so much, it
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: was so much. I mean, you can just I did
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: visit sites all day long, every day for like almost
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: two weeks. I think it was just I think at
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the into it, I was just like, Yo, I'm dumb.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I'm out, Like I need a break, I gotta just
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: sit down. We're just like I'm overdone with temples. It's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: always they're always temples, right, They're always you know, but anyways, yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I can't buy. It's just it's just a jungle full
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: of ancient sites.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: It's amazing you uh again, I'm not trying to put
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: you on the spoty, It's just you know, maybe it's
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: something maybe that I would remember, like what you read,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: you remember like your first time being like fuck.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I've seen this before somewhere, you know, you know what
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Like when it really started to click, I was like, well,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: maybe I should really start paying attention to more stuff, like.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Or you're already looking to begin with, you know what
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Like for me, I'm thinking if I just stumbled upon
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: and realizing that, I'd be like, oh shit, I haven't
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: even been.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah I was. I was already watching videos and stuff
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: deep down the YouTube rabbit hole, right, so I kind
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: of you know, it's familiar with the similarities and stuff
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: around the world. And when I started, I was looking
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: for those things everywhere I went. The things that I
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: was really paying attention to was nubs and scoop marks
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and uh, drill holes and machining marks and things like that.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: So I was looking for those things. I think the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I think one of the things that was like a
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: big this isn't exactly what you asked, but it's what's
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: an AHA moment for me was I went to Seapack.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that was like four years ago now,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I think maybe five.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: And you don't mind me asking what is it? Sea Pack.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: It was at a conference, okay, and been from Untried
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Dex gave a presentation there that just kind of blew
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: my mind. He he did a presentation on the basis
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and this is when he really started getting it. I mean,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: he'd already been into it, but I hadn't really heard
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: of it before. And I set through that his presentation
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: on the basis and it just really it blew my mind.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Because I had been visiting museums all over the world.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: You know, when I go somewhere, I'll go to the
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: museum there too. But I would just walk past all
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the stuff that was like pottery and things and different stuff.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was really interested in the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: megalists and these massive sites and things, and I was
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: walking by some of the coolest shit that exists on
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the planet. And I had no idea because I just
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: didn't know. You don't know what you don't know, right,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And so when I, you know, heard that presentation by Ben,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: who was so good, he's so good at communicating information
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and details, it was really eye opening. I was sitting
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: there in the audience and it was just this aha
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: moment of like connecting in my head all the places
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: that I'd been around the world and being like I
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: walked past that I had filmed that I've looked at
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: that and I didn't even pay attention. I was just
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: like pointing the camera, filmed it, and like moved on
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and I and here he is describing just how you know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the detail hell involved in some of these pieces. And
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that was a big AHA moment for me in the
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: last handful of years. So like to slow down and
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: really take my time with stuff.
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: I'm sorry you brought you brought up Saxe Woman earlier
• 38:19
  Speaker 11: and like that was your big shift right, visiting over
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: two hundred three hundred sites, right, if you had to
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: pick one.
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: That really is like one of those places that's you
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: think it's a big deal, but it's not a big
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: deal in the world stage, like it's kind of being
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: ignored maybe or even suppressed. Do you have a place
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: like that that you think other than like what we've
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: talked about already.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think Peru has a million more secrets
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to reveal. I think that Peru is known for places
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: like Machu Pichu and soaks Wuman, but there's an entire there,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: you know. I drove the highway from Lima all the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: way down to Nasca and to do the Nasca Lines,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: and on the way, which just looking out, I got
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the ocean on my left driving back from nas from
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: the Nasca Lines to Lima, and I've got farm land
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and kind of overrun deserty looking land and stuff, and
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: there's just pyramids. Yeah, there's just there's pyramids. They're clearly pyramids,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: so wild and there, and they're they're being there's houses
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: on them and shacks or they're actively being like demolished
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to like raise them down to a level that could
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: be used for Farmland. I think that Peru has has
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: so many more secrets to reveal, and I think it
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: has a bigger story in our historical past then it's
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: being credited with right now. And I think all that's
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: going to come out in the future. The other the
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: other thing that I think is going to blow up
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: in the coming years, and I've been saying this for years,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: as America. I think that people are not looking at America.
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: And I say America, do you mean the United States
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: or just.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Like in America. Yeah, I think that. I think that
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: there's things to be found here that but nobody looks here.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Everybody looks elsewhere.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Because I love here.
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: There's a whole bunch of us that do here.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah too, just just real quick too, is and something
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: I've looked at due to a cultists and you would
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: probably even even notice this tube minute at some point
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: it was like prior to Laurel Canyon times you had
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: a fucked ton of occultist all running down to Mexico.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Something's open. Even Charles Manson was trying to go there.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I do think that there's something down there too that
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: they're very interested in you know.
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: Carley, I know you've been there. Actually the video that
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: that I guess it was two years ago probably that
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: I saw you. The first video I ever saw you
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: doing was at the Stage Wall. And I work from
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: Montana State University and go to Bozeman quite a bit.
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: I live in New York, but I work in remotely
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: a little bit, right, So I go there a few
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: times a year, and I haven't been to the stage
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: Wall yet, but this I'm going to have the opportunity
• 41:46
  Speaker 8: this coming year.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: So what what are like what are your thoughts on
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: places like that?
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: I mean, I know there's a lot of controversy about
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: whether it's about what the stage wall means or what
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: it is or is it natural?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Is it you know whatever?
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: And besides the point it gets peakal people gets their
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: minds going and peaked, right, So when you say America,
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: that goes right along with that type of stuff. Is
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: what other sites are there besides like the Sage Wall
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: things like that.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, you know Stage Wall. I've been going up
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: there now for the last four or five years every year.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I was just up there again this year and they
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: literally in the last few weeks just released years of
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: research on their website. They open sourced it. It's available
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: right now. Okay, people who go to Sage Mountaincenter dot
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: org and look at all of this. All this is
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: light R professional light R work done ground penetrating radar.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: They've released the analysis of like I think they did
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the Stone analysis on the wall. They've done a lot
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: of stuff and they've least all of it, so it's
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: all available with the public on their website. You can
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: go look at it, play around it with it. If
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: you're numbers and person guy, you're gonna get in. You're
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: going to know for a while. It's great sounds everywhere. Yeah,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: and stage fall is question an anomaly. It's the work
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: being done there. It feels like how things should be
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: done like they're And ultimately I don't think it really
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: matters because if I mean it matters, don't get me wrong.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: But the information that they're getting is beneficial either way,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: whether that becomes whether that's something that's man made or
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: something that is a completely natural. Now, the explanations for
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: that site that I've always have always people grow try
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: to throw at me who disagree with it being man made,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I've never come down on one
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: side saying it's for sure this or for sure that,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: but I think that it's worth continuing to invest the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: gate and asked the question, and but people always like
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: to say that it's a volcanic dike or you know,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: you're like a dyke. Yeah, yeah, and I've seen plenty
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of dikes. It doesn't look anything like a dike. I mean,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: these are blocks. And I think somebody else did like
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a debunking video that was like a thing Bino did one.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he didn't do a few. He's done a
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: few the backside.
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: And not necessarily debunking. But like, here's what people are
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: saying is right that his video says.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: But what he was saying was the backside was going
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: into the hill. It doesn't we So they finally excavated
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: it and I went up there and we filmed it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: But backside is blocked like the front. So there you go.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: You know they're going to excavate. They're just doing it
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: a layer at a time, which is great because you know,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: if they just started digging and there are things that
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: bringing in the back oes, yeah, if there are are
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the facts and stuff down there, those are things that
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: can help make the case right. So they are taking
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: it slow, and it is slower than normal because they're
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: funding everything. This is their home. Yeah, they've opened up
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: to the public uge to allow people to come up
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: there and visit, and so it's taken over their life.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: They had another business that they had to quit doing
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: to allow people on site and do this full time.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: So when people bitch about the price for entry, it's
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: like they're letting you into their home and they've had
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: to change their entire lives to make this happen. So
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: it's available for people to go see. And I personally,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, feel like my experience walking up
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: to stage well the first time was very similar to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: walking up to SA say well, mom, it's jaw dropping. Yeah,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it's crazy. It's crazy walking up on that thing. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: can't I've shot tons of video, tons of drumfully and
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I can't film it that place in any way that
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: does it justice in terms of just how impressive it
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: is to see in person.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you consider a civilization?
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Agriculture is a big part of it, being stationary, building community.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I was talking about earlier,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: with Peru having tons of secrets to still reveal. I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: don't think it's just Peru. I mean I think the
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: whole Amazon. I mean, we've we we know that, like
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean I think that there's this idea
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: that the entire Amazon is basically a was a like
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: a created soil from ancient people, right, is anybody familiar
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: with that?
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: What is it?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the term for that soil black soil?
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the light our scans on it have shown
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: the there are ancient waterways that have been filled in
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: by the jungle. So if it was irrigated at some point,
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: it was farmland.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: So so what we're talking about terra preta yeah, terror
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: preda Yeah, but that's basically all of the Amazon.
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like it's like it's a a loosely made ecosystem
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: by human right, right with the rapta, right, like the
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: wild garden yeah.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And and something happened and so it's just that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: all disappeared. I'm not I yeah, I I think South
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: America has so much more to reveal. And I'm not
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: sold on the out of Africa theory. I don't. I don't,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not stuck with the side of that civilization.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Started in one place, right, I don't agree with that
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: city either. And I have African blood.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: In me bro.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that city either, I seriously don't.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: And the reason also, the whole reason why is because
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: there's been plenty of species on this planet before Homo
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: safetien sapiens, okay. And with that understanding, there no doubt
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: in my mind that a group of individuals could have
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: started in two places at one Two things can be
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: right at once. You can have two facts with two lies.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: You just have to decipher what is the facts and
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: whatever the lies. That's why I respect you so much, Michael.
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I want to put you guys on
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: a copy this. Drop it in the chat. There's a
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: a young man doing really good work right now up
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: in Michigan and the up and I just dropped his
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel in the chat. He is. We met on
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: one of my tours, actually my tour to Peru. He's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: coming with me to Egypt next month too, and he
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: started the YouTube channel. He invited me up there. I
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: did a video on the key in the wall and
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: he's been exploring, looking in mountains and stuff up there.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: There's the whole thing. Up in the up Upper Peninsula
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: of Michigan on the Mont cultures copper mining connection with
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: the Phoenicians coming over in mining and tying into this
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: whole lack of mining sites are available copper for the
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: amount of copper that was used in the past over
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: in Europe, right and everywhere. So he's been digging into
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of that and dropping a lot of stuff,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and I think that's really interesting and exploring that idea
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: that there was a lot of that there was stuff
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: going on between continents way before we're we're you know,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: is being accepted in regular history history books, right. And
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I love what he's doing up there. I think it's
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: good stuff. But maybe they ended up maybe you know,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: maybe there was stuff going on in America and South America,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm not you know, you know, some of
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: these cultures and if you go back, if we're going
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: back ten plus thousand years, you know we're talking about
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: it's always blown my mind that we think that these
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: cultures are capable of doing this incredible these incredible megalithic works,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: but they couldn't build a boat and sail across the ocean, right,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: and they can align these structures to pinpoint precision, almost
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: alignment with cardinal directions and all sorts of stuff, but
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: they couldn't navigate a boat across the ocean. It's like,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know, you know, before I ask
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: you some other stuff ethan not to put you on
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: the spot, But I don't think you've actually really got
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: to ask, really say much.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Was there anything you did want to ask?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, that's a really great contrast
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: or comparison to the ability to travel the ocean as
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: opposed to microlithic creations, because we can travel the seas now,
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: but we can't recreate what they've done. I wanted to
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: actually ask Nick you you kind of touched on something
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: I wanted to ask about the similarities and the consistencies
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: I was going to ask about you You mentioned how
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: in modernity there were several consistencies that you saw in
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: the kind of bumbling recreation or or kind of surfacing
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: making it look neat for their tourists things. Do you
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: think there is just the intention to make more money
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: or is there something else? Do you think there's another
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: reason for why they seem to all be doing the
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: same format.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: That I'm sorry.
• 52:27
  Speaker 11: Was that for me?
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I thought you said, Nick, Yeah, I know, I was
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: asking you. I'm so sorry for asking a question I
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: thought I heard.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it was because something I said that he
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: wanted to ask you questions.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: All right, I hate to do that, man, Please tell
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: me tell me again. No, no, no, that's okay.
• 52:50
  Speaker 9: I was you mentioned how there were the consistencies in
• 52:55
  Speaker 9: the resurfacing in modernity as well as the consistencies in
• 53:02
  Speaker 9: their creation and construction.
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: In the ancient times. Do you think they're their reasoning
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: is merely for tourist dollars to make it more clean
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: of a surface, or is there some some other reasoning
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: that they have.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: For the consistency and like how they're rebuilding these sites.
• 53:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, just the financial uh.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I think it's takes into a larger a bigger picture
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: umbrella of control or you know whatever. Like you know, ultimately,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: when you get to the top of the food chain,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: there's just like a few companies running everything, a few
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: businesses or whatever. Right, So when I go around the
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: world and I see it's always it's always the same roofs,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: it's always the same roofing systems, it's the same style
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: when they really start popping money into these places, they
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: always look they look the same. Now, maybe there's similarity
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: because you know, they're seeing how they're doing it over
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: here and they're like, well, we can do that and
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: make it look cool too. I don't know, but you
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: know what I see from how they reconstruct sites behind
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: the scenes where where people don't see, because I've had
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I've gotten access to places where the general public isn't
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: allowed in Egypt, in Belize and Guatemala, in uh Turkey,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: in Lebanon, I've I've been given access behind the scenes
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: and how to look how they're doing stuff, and it's
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: it seems like it's always the same. So you know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: when you start chasing the dollars, I think you start
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: getting answers, you start you start looking at who's funding
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: those ultimately, like right like because that for example, with Turkey,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: the it's not the the Turkish government. They signed over there,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: they signed the site over to the DOSES Group. It's
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: an international it's a multinational corporation that does stuff that
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: handles this specific type of work all over the world.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: And this isn't just reconstruction, this also goes into destroying sites.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: So this ties into US. Stuff like with companies like
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Rio Tinto, which is a mining operation, a mining company
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: based out of the UK. It's a multinational company. They've
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: destroyed hundreds of sites in Australia and they've now been
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: granted mining rights by Montana for mining in Montana. And
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: now there's black helicopters and stuff flying over Sage Wall,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: and they have plans for some of these areas where
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: even if I don't necessarily agree on a specific location,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's a natural formation. People are looking into it. Well,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, these areas are being looked at
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: for mining and destruction, or they're building highways through stuff
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: or roads. So you have everything from reconstruction to the
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: same companies around the world showing up at ancient sites
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: for things like mining and different stuff like that. So
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: it's when you start chasing the money. It seems like
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: it always kind of comes back to a lot of
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: the same companies all around the world. So if that's
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the case, it would make sense that a lot of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: these places look exactly the same.
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: Hey, when you said that money wrote a Seriously, I've
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: read so many books from them, from Masons from Allen Park,
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: Godfrey Higgins to everybody in between, Aber Churchward and all
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: these individuals. And I can tell you that these Masons,
• 56:56
  Speaker 6: these individuals who worked were stones, was definitely traveling around
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: the world. These are individuals that had technology and intelligence
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: to the point that it seemed extraterrestrial, but it was
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: really into terrestrial. These are the people that worked on
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: stuff from the beginning of time. If you look at
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: today with our structures, look at the houses of today,
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: four hundred million dollar houses, and you go on TikTok
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: and you watch how they do these inspection on these houses.
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: These houses are fucking crazy, built wrong, Like you have
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: holes in places that shouldn't be having holes, You have
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: wood and nails that's not all the way put into place,
• 57:33
  Speaker 6: and stuff like that. But then you go back to
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: nineteen nineties and look in nineteen fifties and look at
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: the houses that were built back then, and them shits
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: ain't breaking down at all, right, And it makes you think,
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: are we really losing our technology or are we just
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: being cheap and just building shit cheaply? Like what the
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: fuck it would cost billions and billions and billions of
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: dollars to build the pyramids in Egypt, right now. But
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: we know right now with the technology that we have
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: that is available to us right now. In Memphis, Tennessee,
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: they have a bass Pro Shop that's in the shape
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: of a pyramid that's in modern times, which is one
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: of the biggest pyramids in the world. Go look up
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: the pyramid in Memphis, Tennessee, the Bass Pro Shop. I'm
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: a fisherman, so.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: I know a lot about Bass Pro Shop. Right if
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: you look at it.
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: They have a pyramid in Tennessee that literally is one
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: of the biggest pyramids in the world, next to the
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: pyramid in the Egypt. But they're using modern period times
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: of technology to build that with still beans, bricks.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: And so on and so forth, drywall and all that.
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: So my question is, if we was to use all
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: these stones, that would cost millions and billions and trillions
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: of dollars. But if we use drywall and you know,
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: cheap ass plastic, that billions and billions of dollars would
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: come down to what maybe one hundred thousand dollars and
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: then they go sell that same house to you to
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: about five hundred thousand dollars. So I really believe when
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: people say, did we lose that technology? Now we ain't
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: lose that technology. We just found the cheaper way how
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: to do shit.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd rather. I would rather buy a
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: house from the nineteen seventies or eighties than than a
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: new home. Personally, if I have the money to kind
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: of fix it up, I don't I travel so much.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Getting the houses would be ridiculous. I mean I did.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I did that, and it was like my grass was
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: perpetually up to my up to ear every time I'd
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: come home. It was like, oh my god, I gotta
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: like it was just too much upkeep. But yeah, no,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: you're you're, you're, you're, You're absolutely right.
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: The it just.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, we don't it's not it's not it's
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: it's not just that either. We also don't create anything
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: of beauty anymore. You know, our architecture and design and
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: stuff is so soul crushing. It's there isn't any there's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: no soul, bro there's no soul to the shape anymore.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: When you when you look at a house today, you
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: can ride through any neighborhood that's been newly constructed and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: see that there's no soul. You go back to the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: nineteen fifties of the subdivisions of those houses, you're going
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: to see a whole bunch of soul. You want to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: see a whole bunch of modifications, a whole bunch of
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: different ideas and theories.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: And you know that's why I hate HOA.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: I don't live in a told But I can tell
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: you when people when you talk about the pyramids, when
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: you talk about go back to type. But when you
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: talk about the artistic views of what we've seen and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: what we've done, these churches nowadays are put up as one.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: You know, these most of these churches, aren't. They don't
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: have a soul to it whereas attracts you to it,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: whether it's just the way it looks. Because you know,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: I'm forty one years old. I was always told, don't
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: judge a book by its cover, But that's exactly what
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: we do in this world. We judge everything by the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: outside of what we see, right, whether it's color, whether
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: it's creed, whether it's the idea of how somebody looks,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: whether they're pretty ugly. It's all subjective.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to our.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: Ideas of representation of religion, spirituality, occultism, and so on
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: and so forth, we have symbolism for a reason.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: It attracts people. For instance, I see the tattoos on
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: your hands. Nick has the same goddamn tattoos.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: So I understand that both of you guys are understandable
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: on the knowledge of our cultism because you represented that
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: as your temple.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Your body is your temple. You take care of your temple. Yeah,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I noticed it so much, bro, I'm
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: telling you, I'm so visual with shit. It's crazy.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: I seen the hands, I look at everything, I pay attention.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: I watch the mannerism. Look at y'all beards. Y'all beards
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: almost goddamn the same y'all coach people.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Yah Yah.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you the knowledge that's out there. You don't
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: have to read a book to understand something. All you
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: got to do is look at somebody and take that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: initial representation of what that person is trying to show you,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: and take that and so and understand what these visual
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: understandings of these people from the past. We can't take
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: our shoes off today and understand what people thought three
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 6: thousand years ago. All we can look at is their
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: symbolism and understand solely what they thought based off that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: they're sold of their symbolism. And I'm not sure if
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: that made sense or not, but I think that we
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: don't need words to convey our message. We just need
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: to understand on a two party system, understanding what we know.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: Do you have places you still want to go, Mike
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 8: that you've never been?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can't believe I am so. I still
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: haven't been to Greece, which is crazy. Yeah, it's kind
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: of it's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy. I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: haven't been to Grease, right, and then India, India's wild man.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: And then I was.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: If you could do drone work at the Oracle at Delphi,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: that would be amazing because they have this broken temple there.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: That's just you know, it would be awesome on a
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: three sixties shot. I just haven't seen that yet.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: I'll give it a shot. I generally ask for forgiveness
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: rather than permission. Absolutely worth the drum flying. But you know,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: the other place that I'm trying to get to is
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: uh in Russia. There's several sites over there. And I was,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I had it, I had it, man, I was, I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: had a whole trip book. I was going to Russia,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: and then everything popped off into Ukraine. And they hit it,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: and they hit Russia with all the sanctions, which would
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: have made it really hard for me. I didn't have
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: any connections at the time to get because basically because
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: of the sanctions, I couldn't have used any of my
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: cards or anything. I'd had to carry money around with
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: me that I for the whole trip, Right, that was
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: just that just was crazy. Right, if anything happened to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: my money or I got robbed or anything, I wouldn't
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: be able to get more money, and I'd just be
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: stuck where I'm where I was at, and I was
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: going way out in the middle of Siberia, and like,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: so now I have some contacts over there. I'm working
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: on that again, and so I'd really like to get
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: over there. The good thing that came out of me
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: not being able to get over there when all that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: happened was I was looking for another place to visit
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: and stumbled across the Sage Wall and that's how I
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: ended up going to the Sage Wall. So that was
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: four or five years ago. Yeah, that's crazy, that's been
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: going on that long.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: So, like in America, you brought up that we need
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: to explore more. Obviously we've got tons of like mounds
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: and places like you know with the Kohoki and civilization
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 8: and whatnot. But what are some things that stand out
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 8: that you think people should go look at.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Here's the real issue with exploring America. I don't think
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: people realize how much of America is basically off limits.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's federal land.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Because they know what's That's why I don't want people
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: to look at it exactly.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: And so basically it's my theory that if you take
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: a map and you go look at all the federally
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: protected land that was set aside way back in the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: day years ago, that all that area is where you're
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: going to find all the treats. Yeah, any break the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: rules and I would imagine a lot of these places
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: are probably being surveilled or something. If there's something out
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: there it's hidden, but yeah, that would be you know,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: I've been you know, somebody brought up the Grand Canyon
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: and different stuff, and I've wanted to go do that
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: for years. Is sneak off over there and that spot
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I've been in the Grand Canyon. I stayed
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: down inside of it before. It's massive. Uh, and yeah,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: that would be quite the adventure, right, But yeah, these
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: places there's I think that's where you're going to find
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: the new discoveries in America is basically on these federal
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: land that's been set aside and huge portions of the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: country limits to the public for sure.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, oh I was, I was gonna say.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: It's so sad because we see over and over again
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: that other worldly objects and places get treated with otherworldly irresponsibility. So,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: you know, like the Anasazi, for instance, like they've just
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: been messing with that site out there for so long,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: and so much of the artifacts have been lost because
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: of their tinkering and their and their constant refusal to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: actually let the qualified people in, and it's it's ridiculous.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: Like we need better management. And I think the what
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: pressure we put on these people, the better management we
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: can get.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I agree with you.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Hell listen.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: The reason why I say this is because, like I said,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: I visit the Americas to go to different locations museum
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: historical parts.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: I have an app on my phone when I'm traveling that.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: Actually brings up historical markers of places that's nearby, So
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: I actually have a rumbo count that actually pertains that.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: I just started it maybe a month and a half
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: ago where I actually do videos of me visiting different
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: museums and different places and stuff like that around the Americas.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: And I can tell you that there's a lot of
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: history out here.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: And I just recently, like I said, I have an
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: app on my phone that tells me all the historical
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: markers in the Americas. And if you look on the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: East Coast, and I'm fortunate to live on the East Coast,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 6: there is a lot of history on the East Coast,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: especially in Savannah, Georgia. I live in near Savannah, Georgia,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: and I can tell you that there's a lot of
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: history from Bigfoot to Cryptids, to pair normal to historical,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: the Native Americans to so much stuff. And I visit
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: these places and I was and you know, I was
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: always so fascinated. A lot of people are fascinated with Egypt.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: I'm not fascinated with Egypt. I feel like the pyramids
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: in Egypt are just a pile of rocks. It doesn't
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: take too much knowledge to pull up that. And anybody
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 6: that wants to argue with me, and we can go
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: on my channel on arg that I bring the facts
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: to the table on that. But when you look at
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: plas meso America and the Peru and so on and
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: so on, the esthetics of their buildings and their megalithic
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: strikes sites are beautiful. Nothing like Egypt.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got the hieroglyphs and all this other stuff.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: You got the triangle. Who can make a triangle, anybody
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: can make a triangle. But you have the aesthetics of Mexico,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 6: in Peru and all these Central American places with these pyramids,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: and it's so beautiful, to the point that they took
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: the time to actually vividly share what they felt. Okay,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: like on some of the pyramids where you could see
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: the snake going down the stairs during certain times of
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: the sun, and so on on and so forth.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: So I feel like there's more.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: That one's not real.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: That's not real.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: Please tell me about it, because I've been seeing so
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: many people talk about that. Please give me no I'm
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 6: ignorant on that part. That's one of the reasons why
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: I wanted to go there to see that for myself, you.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. So that's Chichen. That's Chichen is amazing.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I've been there like a handful of times, a bunch
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: of times since it's I love it. There, but it's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, chich is like one of the examples of
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: a completely redone site that's been turned into like basically
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: a tourist site. You know, you have a restaurant on site,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: it's a full store and shopping area. And you know,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: back in the when they were reconstructing it, the way
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: they were rebuilding it, there was like a I think
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: he was a lawyer and he noticed the shadow coming
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: down from them reconstructing the site. He started talking about
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: it and archaeologists apparently at the time or like whatever
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: to that, but he wrote a book and he started
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: putting a whole bunch of stuff out to tour to
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: drum up business basically, and they reconstructed it the way
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: it is. I mean, the outside of Chichen Eats is concrete.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: You know, do we know for sure that that was
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: built into the design of the pyramid. We don't, which
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: is which sucks. And look, look, this is one of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: the things. It's that I was talking about that it
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: was so just it's been really hard for me this
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: year is seeing the way the sausage is made. You know,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: it's been a rough year for me in terms of
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: staying motivated.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Like you didn't like the intestines used for the sausages.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: He bro It's hard to look at some of that, right, Yeah,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: and it and when you start seeing some of this stuff,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: you feel a little bit discovered. It's almost like it's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: it's almost like you got cheated.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: On or something.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Your heart drops out of your chest, right or it's like,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: you know, because what happens is all these places that
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: I've been to where I've had these amazing experiences, I've
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: had to go back in my head and requestion and
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: like re examine not just what I was seeing, but
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: the whole experience and how it made me feel. It
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: was this real, And so now I've got to like
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: what I decided I need to do is just go
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: back to every place and look at them with fret
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: and new eyes.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: You know. Yeah, I have a question another question for you, Georgiosuklos.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: You know who that is from ancient Aliens? This individual
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: he said that pum Puko is the place that is
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: considered where ancient Aliens actually built that place. What do
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: you think about that or have you heard about that?
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean ancient Aliens is basically you know, was
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: the forerunner for all of this, I mean before people
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: were making content on their own and dropping it on YouTube.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: There was ancient aliens. I mean, I think most of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: the people that are doing what I do, we're watching
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: ancient aliens at a certain point, right and hearing about
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: places that we had no idea even existed. I don't
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: personally go down the alien path of like there was
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: some kind of help for aliens built sites, or that
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: they were helping humans. I think that humans are incredibly
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: admittive and resourceful and fully capable of doing and pulling
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: off and building the structures that we see around the world,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah, I don't And by the way,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I just want to say real quick, I don't knock
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: the I think that every idea should be explored to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: its fullest. I think we're all just pulled in the
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: direction that resonates with us. And for me, what resonates
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: with me is what I just shared, and for others
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: it's that other way. So for those that want to
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: pursue that line of thought, I think it's still important
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: and I think it contributes to the overall discussion. But yeah,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: that's that that wouldn't be my my, my like foundational
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: you know theory for for sites any.
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  Speaker 6: Sites all right, you know, And it's interesting because you know,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: I read a lot of books. I actually have the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: Ancient Aliens book, I believe it or not, you know,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: I actually have the book from Kevin Burns. I read
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: a lot of books, and it's just interesting that everybody
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: has their own theories and so and so on and
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: so forth. You know, Jorji Ohsuklow has been to these places,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: just like you've been to these places.
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  Speaker 11: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I always say you can have two people with a PhD.
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  Speaker 6: That went to the same class, to the same classroom,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 6: to the same teacher, to the same subject, to the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: goddamn the same curriculum, and have different ideas. When they
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: have different ideas, how do you choose which one is
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: right over the other when there's two pad representatives that's
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: same what they're saying.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think I think there's a way
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: to boil things down to absolute truth. And until you
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: get to that point, you're working theories and ideas and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: so kind of like I was just talking about, with
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Ancient Aliens and different stuff and those different different perspectives
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: from mine. That's why I feel like all all perspective,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: I think the best thing anybody can do is not
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: really compare themselves to somebody else. It's like, just do
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: your own work, right, Let that contribute to the conversation,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: and then they and the knowledge. Because generally what I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: found is truth stands on its own. It doesn't need
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: to be it's you know, it's it lasts in the fire,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: and everything else kind of burns away. Right.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: So yeah, when you when you share their origins and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 6: the basics, you can't you can't argue that, you know
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying, what is a god? Where you have
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: to define what a god is? What is the civilization?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: You have to define what a civilization is? What is
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: advanced technology? You have to define the advanced technology. Anybody
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: can take those words that I just took and create
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: their own narrative based off their own understanding and their
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 6: own knowledge and what they learn. And that's why I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: think everybody is important when they share their knowledge. Because
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: I've been following you a while, I've noticed that you're
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: an individual who ask questions, and you're not asking questions
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: based off of your belief You're asking questions for clarity.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: And I would like you for you to clarify that
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: for me and help me understand this that true. Are
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: you trying to ask these questions for clarity or are
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: you asking these questions to get a better idea of
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 6: what kind of narratives you're trying to share.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: I don't want to share a narrative and I and
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: that's why.
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  Speaker 6: I respect you and I'm glad you said that up front,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: because you don't share a narrative, you have a narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Ultimately, what I want to do is inspire people to
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: ask their own questions. I want. My hope is that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: my traveling around the world of documenting sites is that
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: it will inspire people to ask questions beyond what they've
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: learned and what they think they know. Because I don't know.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm less concerned with the destination as as
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: I am the journey. I don't need an answer like
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: some people do. Two everything. There's there's a enjoy in
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: my life and the process and in the journey and
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: asking questions and learning is growing. But I'm not trying
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: to convince anybody of some theory of mine. You know,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: and I don't. I have my thoughts and my beliefs,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: and I'll share them, but I don't I'm not trying
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: to push some like narrative or agenda to like like
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: I'm right or I know something. I'm just a guy
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: traveling around the world, filming sites and sharing it with
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: people in the hopes that it gets them excited and
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: gets people asking questions themselves, to the point even so
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: much so that they start doing their own work and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: asking their own questions and making their own content. I've
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: talked to a bunch of people that after we've hung out,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: had started making their own content. I'm so happy for that.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think that the that the world or any
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: of this is a competition, right, not for Everybody's more
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: than enough space for everyone.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what I think a lot of this
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: new media can do is just spark imaginations, you know,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: because you could actually show you know, the details and
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: zoom out and show people the magnificence of these places,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: and all those questions are just going to pop up
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: in their heads all on their own.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: Like, I'm a veteran too as well, Mike, I see
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: me you and Tyrone. I struggled with my transition bad
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 8: and I transitioned twice out of the Marines and then
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 8: out of the Army, too sexual, glutton for punishment. Yeah,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: I like Krans and Nick I.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: Was like, what you going from man to woman?
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, back to So just like your.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 8: Military background influence how you approach exploration and research or
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: is this just like the mission after the mission? Like
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 8: I know that was my big thing with transition. I
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 8: had to find purpose. One of the reason I do.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: This, I am.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: The military is interesting because it it takes aimless, purposeless
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: people and it gives you a reason. It gives you
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: a purpose, right, Yeah, and everything's very simple and very clear.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Show up on time, have your ship, be ready to go,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: and it's depending on what you're doing. Right. I was
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: in the infantry, so it was real easy.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 11: It was, you know, so.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: When I got out, I didn't I didn't have I
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: didn't have a I couldn't get a job anywhere. I
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: live in Austin, Texas. It's a very liberal city, so
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: nobody gave a ship that I served my country. I
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: went up to East Texas, visited some family up there,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: and I thought I'd try to get a you know,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: just see every place that I went in. And as
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: soon as I mentioned I was a veteran, They're like,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: when can you start, So it's like it's really hard
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: to transition from that into regular life. Where I was at,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I was waking up every day still at
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: like four or thirty am or five am, and just
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: sitting there. I didn't know what to do, and but
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't. But I also never The military was very
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: it was very key for me. I came from like
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: a broken home and a bad childhood and blah blah blah. Right,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: like I had no discipline. I was, you know, troublemaker,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: getting in trouble right, and and it gave me a
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: lot of things that I needed, like a sense of
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: responsibility and accountability and all sorts of stuff right that
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: I was really lacking and I needed when I got up.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: But when I got out, I never defined myself as
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: like the military was who I was. So and I
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: still didn't have a purpose for a long time until
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: I started doing what I was doing. So it was
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: another you know, twelve to fifteen years almost of just
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: wandering aimlessly and working jobs that I didn't like and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: getting fucked up because I was just I didn't know
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: what to do with my life, right, and just having
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: not just being aimless and purposeless. So but having a
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: purpose and having goals is so important. And even when
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: you get into doing stuff like this, if you're going
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: to do work or if you're going to do you know,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: like research into things, it's good to have a goal
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: or set yourself up an objective for that type of stuff,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: whether you know, the type of content that you're ingesting,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: the type of type of books that you're reading, what
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: you're watching and engage you with on social media. You know,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: these are things that shape that. These daily decisions are
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: all little things that shape who you are, you know,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: and it really is. If you guys ever played like,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: uh RPGs games or anything that's been since.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Man I still played the PS five PC, the.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: World is literally that. Yeah, your own character. You just
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: have to put time and energy into the things that
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: you want to be good at, just like you have
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: to do on a on an RPG game.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's so funny you said that, because
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: now they have where you can take your phone and
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: take a picture or scan of your face and you
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: can literally be implemented in the video game. You can
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: see your face. I have NBA two K set two
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: K six right now.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: NBA two kis my computer.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: I am able to get on that game, and you
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: will see my face on that game because they have
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: gotten you.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: That you can strang. You can scan your whole fucking face. Bro,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: I went outside the game came out.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 6: I went outside in my front yard where it's nice
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 6: and bright, and I scanned my whole face and literally
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 6: and I and I actually in the next few weeks,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: when I build my character up, I'm gonna start streaming
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: me playing NBA two K six on on here and
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 6: sharing ancient knowledge at the same time, because it's gotten
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: to the point when when can we.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: Decide what is reality and what is virtual reality?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: Have you have you guys ever looked at the individuals
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: that play games in twenty twenty five? There are people
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: right now who are quadro pllegiate, And I hope I
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 6: said that word correctly, which they can't use their arms
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 6: and their legs, but they.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 9: Have a modified.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: Controller that you can use on your mouth play your
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: fucking video game.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I've seen people play Call of Duty Battle Hill.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: Do you think seven Hawking was doing, man, Bro, He
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: probably built the ship ye using his eyes.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: Michael, real quick, before we wrap it up, would you
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: like to remind everybody where your next event is going
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: to be at.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Please absolutely yeah, Scott Still, We're having a big event
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: conference in scott Stille December fifth through the seventh. Uh.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be awesome. I'll be there speaking our headliners.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: We've got a j from the WI Files, Jimmy Corsetti
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: from Bright Inside, David Hatchrick, Childress, everybody knows from Ancient Aliens,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Gary buchler nerd Ronicky you Newman. It's going to be there.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: These everybody speaking. These are all our speakers. So and
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: and the list goes on. It's going to be a
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: big event, big venue. You can get your tickets now,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: I was just saying earlier. You can get tickets for
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: these are limited. There's a limited amount of seats for
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty bucks for all three days, and
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: so you can get those. It's a killer smoking deal
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: two hundred fifty bucks for three day conference with all
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: of these speakers. And we're doing it a little different too.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: If you can't make it to the event, you can
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: get the live stream for one hundred bucks. And most
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: events have always done it to where it's like they're
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: filming the speakers and then there's dead air and then
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: the next speaker, right, but the whole Forbidden Frontier crew
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: is going to be manning the live stream, so in
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: between speakers, we'll be doing many interviews YouTubers and channels,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: and so it's going to run more like like watching
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: the NBA Finals or the Olympics or something. There's always
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: going to be something going on on screen for the
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: live stream. So you can watch that at home for
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: a hundred buck. So you can come in person and
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: hang out with everybody for two hundred and fifty bucks.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: It's a great deal.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: That's awesome nice.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: Definitely definitely check that out and I'll include a link
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: for that if the resume whatever for that, I'll include
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: that in the show notes as well. Is there anything
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: else on your own for your own work that you
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: want to remind people of your YouTube or anything, Yeah.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Go to Wondering Wolf Productions dot com. I've got a
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: book dropping in like a month or two before the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: end of the year, and then I'll be my Egypt
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: tours next month. It's sold out, but I'll be launching
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: another tour probably in the next week or so to
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Japan that's going to be sick, So we're hitting all
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: the megalithic sites in Japan, and then our nightlife is
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: going to be crazy awesome in Osaka and Tokyo and
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: places like that. It's going to be an awesome trip.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: And it's priced. I was really really focused on getting
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: this to be a reasonable price for a Japan tour.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: It's under for it for full week in Japan, hitting
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: all these megalithic sites and more so you'll have some
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: cultural experiences and all sorts of stuff like that too.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: But I'll be dropping that. I fact, I think it's
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: actually live. You can buy those tickets. I just haven't
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: put it on my website yet, but it's actually live.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: But we're building post pre pre tour post tour add
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: ons too, for things like like a spa weekend after
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: and like a comic book manga themed add on to
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: for three days and stuff. The people will be like
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: because I'm doing it with Nerdrotics and so their crowd
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: is super we super love all that. But that's gonna
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: be a good one. Yeah, I should get that up
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: on my website immediately.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: Actually, great stuff, man, all right, I'll definitely include all
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: that stuff in the bottom. Yeah, and thank you everybody
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: in the chat, that's what's up. There was a lot
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: of people here from the beginning to the end, a
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: lot of Unfortunately, there was questions in there I was
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: gonna ask and totally forgot my apologies, but I.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate you all.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: And that is the end of another recult Rejects and
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: until the next one, everybody be well later