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Ep. 19 : Offseason Shenanigans And Trade Candidates · Cards & Categories

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to episode nineteen of Cards and Categories. I am
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  Mike Coolard here from Rasball, joined as always by my very good friend Jeremy
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  Burr, also from Rasball. How are you doing tonight, Bud? I'm
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  not doing too bad. I'm a little jet lagged, flying across the country
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  today just to make it to this podcast. I had nothing to do with
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  work where I was in California this morning, but everything to do with making
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  sure I get back to this podcast because this is going to be exciting today
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  because we have more off season fun to talk about, which I don't know
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  about you, but off season fun is always the way to go. So
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  I'm rare and ready to go. Like I said, little jet lag,
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  so I'm going to use as an excuse anytime I trip up later in the
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  SPoD. But how about you, how are you doing today? I am
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  also very jazz because I also love the off season, and the baseball community
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  does not take very long to get into the weird minutia of just like Internet
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  holes and memes and all sorts of just absolutely great fun in the off season.
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  So I think a little bit is just like the withdrawalskicking in for everybody
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  that sits there and watches baseball, or listens to baseball and the radio all
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  day, or reads baseball box scores, or just absorbs baseball and the mass
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  quantities that it puts out that you can tell things that are getting a little
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  squarely because you know what happened this week, and this is the biggest news
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  of the week easily in the baseball community is the Marble simulation on Reddit kicked
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  off this week. It started I think during covid especially, but the Marble
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  simulation kicked off on red A'll link to it. I'm pumped and it's a
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  great community time because the comments will just leave you on the floor laughing going
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  through there and seeing all the just people who don't have anything to do now
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  that baseball's gone, so they've all congregated watching these marbles of the teams and
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  going through the simulation. Just started on Monday, two teams in. We're
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  recording on Wednesday, the Pirates and the Mariners are out and brew. Did
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  you get a chance to watch these simulations before we potted tonight? I did
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  start watching one. Actually just Day three is just posted a few hours ago,
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  so it's now running in live over on the side here, I'm gonna
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  try to see who makes it. I probably could just scroll the comments,
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  but that's really not the fun way to go to see who ends up dropping
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  out of the Marble Race this time around. But hey, give everybody the
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  the what's the what's the excitement of the Marble Race? Your point? It
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  is, it's pointless, but it's fun. I don't understand. I don't.
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  I don't know if I have the same love for it yet that you
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  do. But was last year's predictions? Were they correct? I think is
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  the first place we need to start. They were very correct. The World
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  Series from last year's predictions of the Marble Race had the Angels versus the Rockies,
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  and the Angels won the World Series, so it was dead on very
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  correct. So yeah, So if you haven't seen this before, like I
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  said, it is linked to in our show notes. But the it's a
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  simulation, I don't. I have to guess that this guy sets it up
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  on his own or I don't know. I've done zero research on where the
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  actual origins of this kind of come from. I'm just mesmerized by It's almost
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  like a video game set up, but it's a Marble race or a marble
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  obstacle course like you would set up as a kid, and each team is
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  given a marble and they just race, and so whoever gets to the bottom
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  first is technically the loser. So the first day, like I said,
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  was Pittsburgh. Second day with Seattle. I'm watching the third day right now,
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  so we'll see who it is. But my video cut out so I
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  could not tell you who actually it is, but it is. I've got
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  two minutes left in the video, so that is I will say one drawback
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  of this thing as it goes on, because there's fewer and fewer marbles to
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  push the marbles down the course that like some of the ones towards the end
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  take five six minutes, but they're good for zoning out or like you said,
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  you can just skip to the end and see who ends up winning.
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  This kind of makes me think of you know, other simulations that do,
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  and I feel like every year the for the computer nerds out there that feel
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  like they want to run a fantasy or a real life MLB team out of
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  the park Baseball, if you haven't checked that out, we'll have to talk
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  about that sometime on Here a great simulation that a number folks play, uh
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  and enjoy, but a lot of times it beginnings MLB season, they run
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  like hundreds of seasons to see with you know, the new spring training rosters.
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  Who's gonna wing? I do feel like that one's the lady a little
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  bit more legit than the Marble Run. But hey, with the drafts now
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  being predicted by you know, the balancing ball like the NBA, I mean,
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  how far off is it really? It's it's not that far off.
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  It's very close. So you know where this is going. And I've got
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  to take who's your who's your vote for Marble race this year? Oh we
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  gotta we gotta pick some fun. I I'm putting my faith into Oakland.
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  Okay, no where nowhere better. And I think if you're looking for the
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  team that needs the Marble Run to get them to win, it's it's the
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  Oakland A's if assuming they're still gonna be in Oakland, I'm gonna go.
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  I'm really torn, like it is tempting to take the sacks. I think
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  I'm going to go. Don't be a homer, don't be a Homer.
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  I know, I know it's a it's a poor decision. I think I'm
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  going to go with Marlins, though, I mean, I want to see
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  some big fish energy on this on this marble race. And let's see,
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  we're pulling up on the end of the third day. Detroit is out.
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  So Detroit got twenty eighth place, So good thing nobody picked Detroit. Here.
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  I will have to say, of all the places that you picked,
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  the one stadium that looks like it could be a marble run is Miami.
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  True, I mean, it is missing the fountain nowadays. I know I
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  do miss the fountain a little bit, but hey, it still still kind
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  of looks like could be a marble run even without the I mean, I
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  guess the walk. You might have a beat with the actual slide, that's
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  true, but I mean I don't feel like I want to change my choice.
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  But this has literally no bearing on anything at this point. We're just
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  wasting time. So I mean, we started off with the marble run.
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  Yeah, although the Tigers did. Just who's the Tigers won in the Game
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  of Baseball life because they picked up Jason Bennetti this week And there we go.
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  Now we're back on the horse here. Good transition. You were playing
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  that one very well. Well, yeah, that Bennetti leaving for the Tigers,
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  is it's just one more kick in the nuts for every Socks fan out
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  there. I think so, It's just I don't know what I'm gonna do
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  with these Socks games this summer, that watching them is going to be terrible,
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  because Jason Bennetti was honestly the soundtrack of my summer watching Socks games.
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  And he's just such a fantastic broadcaster that is going to be sorely missed by
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  the entire Socks community. And I didn't see one ill thing written about him
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  on any social media site. The only thing that I ever saw ill willed
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  about Jason Bennette was coming from the mouth of Jerry Reinsdorf, which is what
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  a mister Burns character that like if you can't even He's like the only person
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  in the entire world that doesn't love and just cherish Jason. And I can't
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  believe he's also going to Detroit. It's not like Jason's leaving to go be
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  Monday Night Football or the World Series announcer or anything like huge. He has
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  a real sense of being a part of a baseball community, and I think
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  loves and thrives in that so seeing him go to Detroit, it's not like
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  he's going to even or even like the Dodgers or the Yankees or some premier
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  team. No, it's the Detroit Tigers. That's who he left the socks
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  for. So I have to say, and I've taking this complete left hand
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  turn, one of the most underrated stadiums I think in baseball is in Detroit.
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  Sure, so maybe he's just going there for the They have the great
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  sausages there, and they have a lot of creative food choices. They have
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  really nice little shrine in the Tigers statue. They have a Tiger statue.
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  Yeah, mean it's it's pretty good for for a stadium, and actually one
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  of the more open air stadiums even from the concourse. So shockingly, maybe
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  that's what brought him in. Maybe the stadium is bringing him, not the
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  cold Detroit weather. But I'm granted the stadium. I don't think it's brought
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  anybody else out to the to the ballpark. But at least the Tigers should
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  be a little interesting to watch next year. Oh yeah, I have to
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  think that their viewership on all their broadcasts is going to tick up significantly.
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  That there are lots of people that the White Socks were among probably you know,
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  their top five or six broadcasts with their turning on mb MLB TV looking
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  for a game to watch just because of Jason and especially like no ways watching
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  the Socks, that's for sure. So like that, I think is going
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  to make a huge impact. And it's just another strange move in the saga
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  of the Rhine store ownership because we're seeing it on the North Side here in
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  Chicago with the Cubs that they're finally starting to spend the money getting counsel and
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  I think to make money in Chicago, you got to spend money a little
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  bit, you know that, like Reinstorff needs to put a significantly better product
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  on the field. They're Socks fans, they're rabid baseball fans, and it's
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  good, great community on Twitter slash x and there's people that want to be
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  excited about the team. But when they're constantly shooting themselves on the foot,
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  it's hard to do that. Yeah, it is. But you know,
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  speaking of teams that have struggled m let's transition to awards, we just had
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  the Managers of the Year announced yesterday and we had Cy Young's today Rookie of
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  the year was in the past, and I feel like everybody knew knew where
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  those ones were going. Curious your thoughts. That's on the Manager of the
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  Year voting and cy Young voting, so I will not admit. I will
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  admit I actually haven't looked at the Cy Young voting yet, so I will
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  look at it now. That's a very informed podcaster move there, But I
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  think that one looks like it's going shock too, right Garrett Cole? And
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  then is it Snell? Okay, yeah, there was there was no shock
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  there. They were pretty gosh darning clear as far as who who got those,
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  and even i'd say the from a runner up perspective, you know,
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  American League Cole followed by Sonny Gray and then Kevin Gosman, and then over
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  the National League he had Snell with Logan Web and then Zach Gallen. So
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  I don't think really there was not a much suspense really much anywhere with with
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  these, and I think they're pretty cut and dry, and i'd say one
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  of the most cut and dry votes, I would say, until you look
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  at the m v P s, which is probably even more cut and dry
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  than anything else. Those are probably both unanimous selections across the both leagues.
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  So but saying that I want to go back to the Managers of the Year,
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  he had Skip Schumacher from the Marlins win a Manager of the Year,
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  then Brandon Hyde over from the Orioles. Any shocks there for you or only
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  reaction beam there would go the Cardinals let another good thing get away Skip Schumacher.
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  Yeah, especially for like what they kept it. So it's always been
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  a strange move. And yeah, I don't know even if this was really
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  a shocking vote, right that, Like, all of these have been very
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  easy to predict votes, So it's been I don't know. Maybe that's why
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  I'm so fascinated by the Marble race, is that these awards are not kind
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  of cool where you're looking towards the excitement and anticipation of what could happen.
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  I will say that I do enjoy, and I've always enjoyed since I was
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  a kid, looking at the down ballot MVP voting, just to see all
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  the random dudes that get some of those top ten votes and seeing some of
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  the homers that get voted for from each of the different you know, sports
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  regions and writers. So I will enjoy that that I think next time we
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  will be able to parse apart some fun MVP votes and go through that grade.
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  Let's let's just do a real quick look at the cy youngs here just
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  for the fun, so al saw Young voting. Tell me when you're surprised
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  by the name, it's right. We got Garrett Cole, Sonny Gray,
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  Kevin Gosman, Kyle Bradish, Louis Castillo. Still making sense, right,
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  Zach Eflin, Pablo Lopez, George Kirby, fram Ravaldez, Chris Seabassett,
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  Philip Bautista, Chris Martin of the Red Sox. See, yeah, that's
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  that's the type of stuff I'm here for, because that's a that's a good
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  one. That's a that's a good It had to have been a Boston writer
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  that voted for that one, right, Yeah, it had had to be
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  And I don't have the nl ones right in front of me, so it's
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  great. Yeah, but Chris Martin did get a down vote fifth place a
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  Elsa Young. I haven't looked at Chris Martin's results. It came from Paul
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  Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune. That doesn't even make any sense. Is he
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  like his is he like his nephew? Or something. I mean, he
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  had he did have a good year, but like, uh, that is,
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  he voted for him in his Here's Paul Sullivan's top five, Garrett Cole,
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  Sonny Gray, Kyle Bradish, Zach Eflin, then Martin, Like he
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  voted for Martin over Felix Bautista and Cosmos. Yeah. So yeah, look
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  in the NLS Young there's really no there's no there's no fun here. The
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  last place was Corbyn Burns, you got code I singa Wheeler like it made
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  sense. Stryder really just barely missed out being being third, right behind Gallon,
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  but it was Snell ran away with that one as well. He only
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  had two second place votes. I think Cole was unanimous. So really nothing
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  nothing shocking here for for anybody. The really the only thing that h so
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  to look at is why did two guys vote for Logan Web? Actually no,
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  logan Web got one first, Zach Gallen got one first, and shocker,
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  it's Barry Bloom out of Arizona who gave Gallen the first place vote.
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  So there was a little bit of homer homer Ism there as well. But
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  then who did you say out of Chicago had the Chris Martin vote Paul Sullivan.
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  Okay, I don't think they all vote for the same awards. They
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  don't, but it was Jordan Besta from dot com out of Chicago voted for
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  Logan Web. So apparently the Chicago chapters are having a little struggle with the
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  voting this year. I mean, I can get voting for Web just because
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  if you didn't like watching the walk experience with Blake Snow, I can get
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  on board with that. Yeah. Here's the fun fact. Chris Martin was
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  better last year and didn't garner any votes. He was actually just very mid
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  this year. He had a I see somebody walking around with Chris Martin Cygung
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  twenty twenty three runner up shirt somewhere the next season. Well, runner up.
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  It's all relative terms, right, he wasn't first, that first or
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  last, Right, he's twelve twelve, top twelve, right, yeah,
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  top top twelve, cy young finisher, Chris Martin no top dozen, top
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  dozen, also last. But that's okay, all right? Well, I
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  think we shall also get to the other big news that we've really buried the
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  lead on in that is we have merch. I guess I should have opened
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  with that if we want to actually sell any of it, But now you're
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  missing the perfect opportunity. I the layup of the Chris Martin runner up T
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  shirts. Did you did not pick that up and perfectly move it over to
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  merch. I am disappointed you're going to be demoted from your position. Noted
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  Chris Martin top twelve T shirts going up in the store soon, because I
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  think we will see. Because I will preface this to all of our listeners
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  out there, I think that the store is up and running correctly, that
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  it's not like a temporary thing. But I think you should be able to
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  go on and just order what you want and it'll ship directly to you.
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  That we've got a Beanie Dad hat and a T shirt up there right now,
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  just stuff with the cards and categories logo. It doesn't have a very
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  easy to pronounce website because it's through Spring and they want to charge me to
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  get like my own, like real website with it, which you know,
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  if there's interest in it and it makes it easier to link to, I
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  will certainly do that, but we will link to it in the show notes.
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  Oh go ahead. I just recognize that we're not in this for the
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  money. Our MERT sales in our podcast earnings. I don't know if they
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  pay pay for the electricity for it, but that's okay. We do it
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  for the love of the game and for the love of whoever's listening, because
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  it couldn't there's no other way that we would rather do it. Yeah,
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  and I'm trying to make a people look fashionable, you know, when you're
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  out there running errands, get a nice little dad hat. Or it's obviously
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  almost winter time time for Cards and Categories beanie. So like I said,
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  I will link to that in the show notes, and you can also find
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  it on our Twitter slash x handle. I'll have it linked there on Cards
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  Categories on Twitter slash x or if you just want me to email you the
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  link directly, you can reach us at Cards Categories at gmail dot com.
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  And yeah, it'll be great. I'm gonna rock a new Cards Categories hat.
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  It's gonna be real fun having our stuff on some merch so hopefully some
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  other people out there. I'm looking for the Mikey Coolyard autographed hat. That's
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  my Oh yeah, where I'm gonna be going. But I do think,
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  you know, we'll have to look, you know, like I said,
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  Chris Martin twelfth twelfth runner up a Elsi Young Shirt definitely needs to find a
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  spot in the store at least for a short amount of time. Yeah,
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  until I get a season desist. But we'll see that takes okay. Well,
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  Yeah, stick around with us. We've got a great show going through
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  some updates on new releases again for cards, because they keep steamrolling more cards
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  out the factory with the holiday season coming up. So we've got TOPS Chrome
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  Update coming out, and there's actually some fun features in the set that we'll
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  talk about after that when our Categories Fantasy Baseball discussion, we will go through
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  some trade candidates from and will be trade rumors and give thoughts on where some
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  of these players might be headed and what might mean for their fancy value.
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  So stick around. We'll be back right after the break. All right,
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  Welcome back everybody to the card section of Cards and Categories. Here we're going
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  to go into the release of TOPS Chrome Update twenty twenty three that came out
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  just today, so it hit shelves in hobby stores today on eleven fifteen to
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  get hobby Boxes or Jumpo Hobby Boxes or Breaker's Delights, which are a new
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  type of box. So we've got three options if you're going to be ripping
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  TOPS Chrome upbate. This year seems like maybe there's no retail version, but
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  this year compared to other years, but I don't know if maybe some might
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  release later. That this set kind of came on the calendar fast and rolled
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  out really quickly, so I wouldn't be surprised if there is more retail coming.
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  And yeah, I think there's some blasters out there for about thirty five.
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  I don't hit the shelves yet, but I've definitely seen them odds advertised.
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  Awesome. Yeah, that's good to hear because, like, it is
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  a fun product I think to rip a blaster of because if you've been with
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  us long enough that we cover the debut of TOPS Chrome over the summer and
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  TOPS Update just last month in the beginning of last month, right that those
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  two products combine here, so you've got the Tops Chrome version of the update
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  set. And what it does is I think it's a really fun rip because
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  it's again loaded with lots of rookies like TOPS Update was, but lots of
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  really fun parallels and inserts in this year set that are different from the regular
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  update base and from TOPS chromeb itself, so some old ones, some new
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  ones, and I think it just provides a little more variation in a really
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  nice chrome finish. So Brew, how do you feel about TOPS Chrome update
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  every year and kind of where is it in your list of sets that you
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  like to open. Yeah, I've always struggled with update just because of the
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  rookie day views just not being as collectible. But I am I'm slightly intrigued
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  this year by TOPS Chrome Update because it looks like they've put a little bit
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  more, a few more twists on the past years, and I feel like
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  it maybe this is just feel because this is no evidence of this, but
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  it feels like it's come out a little quicker on the heels of the baseball
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  season that has in the past, which is like we're all still kind of
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  in it. We're doing the awards right now, we're just hitting free agency.
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  We just have the GM meetings where it's not like we're full off season
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  mode. So it still is twenty twenty three and we're still talking about those
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  guys. So I think it is a fun, fun set to open,
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  And like I said, I always love the Chrome cards, always a big
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  fan of those. The Downfall generally with chrome is just what you get in
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  a box is usually less than what you'd get kind of in a typical typical
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  rip. You know, even just for like a hobby box. You're getting
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  twenty four packs in a hobby box, but there's only four cards per pack,
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  so you know, you're you're talking, uh, ninety six cards in
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  the hobby box and your your jumbo what one fifty somewhere in there as far
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  as number number of cards, So it is a two hundred twenty cards set.
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  But whereas a non chrome set, you generally with a hobby box can
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  get almost the whole set, just have to go chase a few things.
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  You probably need two or three chrome hobby boxes to go after the updates set.
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  And historically I don't know about you, but I feel like they do
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  not coolate these very well, and so you might get three boxes and get
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  the exact same thing within all. So I think it's fun set. I
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  think there's some fun little tweaks this year with those that we can talk about
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  and go from there. So how about you, what's the one of the
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  ones things that you're looking forward to the most out of update this year?
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  So I'm sitting here scrolling the auto list, and it is expansive. It
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  is a lot of autographs, lots of dud names that you know you can
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  expect in the Chrome products nowadays in terms of just I mean, they're trying
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  to do a good job of covering rookies from all across the league and all
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  teams. So that's kind of what leads to some of these dudes like Tarin
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  Favavra and Wynton Bernard and and who else is kind of really random on this
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  list. Chris ok from the Reds that just these guys that are, you
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  know, making their debuts and it's really great that they get to sign these
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  cards, but those are offset a lot by the top end of this autograph
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  checklist is heavy. There's legend autographs, there's big time stars, there's adle
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  rookies, Corby and Carroll rookies, Gunner Henderson rookies, triple autographs, and
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  I haven't even gotten to the best one. And that's what has really been
• 25:36
  I think everyone is trying to figure out how fanatics and TOPS was going to
• 25:40
  do this. But the biggest hit out of this product this year is the
• 25:42
  pro debut signed autographed patch cards. So TOPS worked in conjunction with MLB and
• 25:49
  fanatics and fanatics and tops is the same because they're the conglomerate together to put
• 25:56
  on everybody's jersey. This year that made a debut a little patch on their
• 26:02
  sleeve that said pro debut, and then that patch is actually going into these
• 26:06
  cards being autographed by those players and is going to be that game used authentic
• 26:11
  patch. So you're gonna see some really crazy names on that checklist from that
• 26:18
  that these cards. I'm not like the ceiling is kind of there is no
• 26:26
  ceiling on the value of some of these cards because it's the only one of
• 26:30
  it. And you've got an Anthony Volpi one, You've got Brandon Fatt,
• 26:33
  You've got Bryce Miller, Bobby Miller, You've got Eduard Julian, You've got
• 26:40
  Jordan Walker, You've got Matt McClean. Is Ellie on this one. Ellie's
• 26:47
  not in this set, but Ellie will have one eventually. You're Perez is
• 26:49
  in here. Riley Pint is kind of a fun one, but just some
• 26:53
  pretty big names with one of one game used in their rookie aput patches that
• 27:02
  it's really driving a lot of interest in this product. Yeah, because I
• 27:06
  think I was looking there's ninety one of the Rookie Debut patch autographed cards and
• 27:14
  some way we can link to it in the in the show notes, but
• 27:18
  on Twitter slash x there's a guy goes by. The collector was guru.
• 27:23
  He actually went through and did the math on how rare these are from a
• 27:29
  dollar perspective, because being ninety one cards in the entire product, it's gonna
• 27:34
  be hard to find them. And so essentially, like in a hobby box,
• 27:37
  we're talking one out of eighty four thousand packs, in a Jumbo,
• 27:42
  one out of thirteen thousand packs. Blasters one out of three hundred and ninety
• 27:47
  one thousand packs. So just for fun, the average spin per box to
• 27:55
  find one of these one of one protybut patch autos which are looking at the
• 28:00
  picture of the Vulpei one. They are really cool. So they are I
• 28:03
  mean, they're gonna be worth a pretty penny for your hobby boxes. You
• 28:07
  got to spend just roughly, you know, a half a million dollars to
• 28:11
  find one through hobby boxes. Must a little less on Jumbo's, a little
• 28:17
  more on the breaker's Delight, which we can talk about here in a second,
• 28:18
  and just for fun, blasters, because you know, harder to find
• 28:22
  the hits. You got to spend about a cool two million dollars on blasters
• 28:26
  to find one of these. So if you find one of these in blasters,
• 28:30
  kudos to you. There's probably three. Uh, they're probably not that
• 28:34
  easy to find in blasters, and you know, somebody's gonna hit like that
• 28:38
  vulpey out of a blaster somewhere and that thing is going to just go for
• 28:44
  a bonkers amount of money. But hey, it's still fun. It's a
• 28:48
  cool, unique thing that they did this year, and I give them kudos
• 28:52
  for thinking this one through. It seems to not be the maybe the forte
• 28:56
  over a fanatics is to think these things through. But they did a great
• 29:00
  job on this one, working with MLB to have these be truly like True
• 29:07
  Game used Unique Game used in their pro debut, and then to translate them
• 29:12
  into cards with I sure hope at least on the one that we're looking at
• 29:17
  an on card autograph, please don't ruin these with a with a sticker.
• 29:21
  A. Well, so I'm gonna take a diversion here. I was looking
• 29:26
  at the autos just from the set themselves, and there are and maybe this
• 29:30
  has been the case in the past with with tops update, I've just missed
• 29:34
  it, but there's a mixture of sticker and on card autos, and I
• 29:40
  thought, I'm like, okay, it's got to be something with like the
• 29:41
  rookie debuts or like the ones that already had a chrome auto. They're all
• 29:45
  gonna be stickers and all you guys with the first their first chrome auto,
• 29:48
  it's gonna be on card. No, Matt McClain is a sticker auto.
• 29:53
  And then you go in and there's Garrett Mitchell with an on card auto and
• 29:56
  I'm like, I don't know a lot. I don't know what they did
• 30:00
  that, but man, I'm sitting here going you're pulling cards out of the
• 30:04
  box, and to have like Matt McClain, who's probably one of the bigger
• 30:07
  names, it's not the biggest name in update chrome for his I hate to
• 30:12
  say first because if you think of Bowman, but for his official rookie chrome
• 30:18
  auto card is a stick Coronto. So that's a little painful to see.
• 30:23
  And I said, I don't think they'll do with the prototyput patches. I
• 30:26
  sure hope they thought through that one. But man, as a fan of
• 30:30
  the of those players that's got hurt a little bit that you don't get the
• 30:33
  true on card chrome autograph. Yeah, and that is consistent with previous years
• 30:41
  because last year's Julio's were stickers a lot. So I don't know if it's
• 30:47
  Yeah, I don't know how that all works in terms of the back end
• 30:49
  of how TOPS determines which type of auto goes in. And it's probably just
• 30:56
  based on what they get back in time to put set out because like it
• 31:00
  is a little bit of a rush compared to other sets that they've got to
• 31:04
  get newer rookies in and rookie debut cards in. That this set moves a
• 31:10
  lot quicker than you know, your typical chrome or other flagship products. So
• 31:15
  with Itach Thompson on card auto, he confirmed that one. Yeah, confirm,
• 31:22
  confirm that. Don't worry folks, We've got some really big ones here.
• 31:26
  The Narrisco Crook from the Boston Red Sox is on card. Yeah.
• 31:32
  Nice. But Royce, but Royce Lewis is a sticker. So you know
• 31:34
  what, it's probably because like some of these more dud guys we were talking
• 31:38
  about, like just aren't signing as much or quite as busy so they have
• 31:42
  the time to do the on card and then Tops maybe like slaps the stickers
• 31:47
  on for guys that they can't get this stuff back from. There has to
• 31:49
  be something. There's something like Brandon fat Gabriel Morenolds are all stickers, and
• 31:53
  so there must be something to the degree of like you had a short turnaround,
• 31:57
  or maybe there's a team aspect of how they were facilitated. But this
• 32:01
  is going to keep me perplexed for the next few weeks here as I try
• 32:05
  to figure out what the logic is. So goes back on track and I'm
• 32:08
  taking us off Well, yeah, I mean I think the best way I
• 32:10
  guess back on track is to do the stick and get through all these parallels
• 32:15
  because just like regular Tops Chrome, we've got a bonanza of parallels. Once
• 32:20
  again that I think that they knew off the bat once they were burying these
• 32:24
  pro debut patches in here that they were going to turn Update Chrome Chrome Update
• 32:29
  into a more premiere set than I think it has been traditionally in the past.
• 32:32
  And so with that they really got the printing presses cranked up with all
• 32:37
  the different parallels that whatever parallel machine that they've got going was busy. So
• 32:44
  here we go. We've got regular refractors, prism refractors, negative refractors,
• 32:50
  Magenta refractors, magenta purple lava lamp refractors, which is new. I don't
• 32:55
  think I've said the combination of words before. Makes me think if a fruit
• 33:00
  by the foot, that would be a cool one to see. Purple refractors,
• 33:02
  aqua refractors, aqua blue lava lamp refractors again, another new one,
• 33:07
  blue refractors, blue green lava lamp refractors, another new one, green refractors,
• 33:14
  gold refractors, gold mini diamond refractors, which are hobby only. That'll
• 33:19
  be kind of cool. They'll look like top skilded orange refractors, orange red
• 33:23
  lava lamp refractors, which, man, that's probably my favorite because it's gonna
• 33:29
  look amazing, and red refractors, printing plates, superfractors one of ones there,
• 33:37
  and then you've also got the same on the autos. For the most
• 33:44
  part, I'm not gonna read all of those because I think the biggest takeaway
• 33:47
  here is the pink wave refractors are probably in retail, they're just not on
• 33:53
  the list, so those are like a standard in tops Chrome update as well.
• 33:59
  As purple refractors, and so the ones that I just lost off are
• 34:04
  the numbered purple refractors. Lots of times they have an unnumbered purple refractor,
• 34:08
  so I think those will probably still be in chrome update that just some of
• 34:13
  the retail details haven't been out there as much. But I guess we'll see.
• 34:16
  The other thing I've noted there's there's no more wave refractors in this that
• 34:22
  the lava lamp refractors have replaced the wave refractors, So I will be very
• 34:29
  interested to see what those look like because that's the first time they've been in
• 34:31
  a product this year. Yeah, so you say that I'm looking at the
• 34:37
  checklist, I am seeing some wave refractors. Okay, So there's it's almost
• 34:44
  like there's two different sets of parallels by potentially box. So I'm out on
• 34:52
  becket dot com what they're going through. And so they have a full list
• 34:59
  under the tops curve, and then they have another list. They talk about
• 35:04
  the gold wave, orange wave, red wave being hobby only, so I'm
• 35:08
  wondering if there's a shorter run potentially with some of these that are hard to
• 35:15
  find, but the details are pretty scarce. I think those are the autos
• 35:20
  you're looking at. Oh, I think you're right. Well, that's no
• 35:23
  fun, which but makes sense because yeah, that's especially if this is the
• 35:30
  first time they're pumping out these lava lamp refractors. Maybe they were focusing the
• 35:35
  wave refractors on producing the auto stuff and these lava lamp refractor lines were busy
• 35:43
  on the regular set. Yeah, And I'm looking at the lava lamp refract
• 35:46
  fractors a few that are out there so far on eBay, and they make
• 35:50
  me think that they took the ray waves, the black and white ray waves
• 35:54
  out of the light boxes for like Bowman and top Scrome from last year and
• 36:00
  just added color to them. It's kind of what they look like they are,
• 36:04
  I mean, and those those were very cool cards themselves, So there
• 36:07
  is quite a few out there. To your point, what I'm seeing is
• 36:12
  like with a team color match, they are just unbelievably cool. But then
• 36:16
  when you kind of get off the team color match, it's just not quite
• 36:21
  the same thing. I'm looking like a Kyle Farmer Twins with a green blue
• 36:25
  green lava. It's just it's just not it's just not hitting the way that
• 36:30
  you would expect. Whereas you get kind of the I'm gonna call it the
• 36:34
  purple, the red purple with like the braves. Oh, looks just fantastic.
• 36:38
  And so it really think it's gonna have a lot of intrigue. Go
• 36:44
  to the padres with the orange, that's gonna look fantastic depending on what team
• 36:50
  you are, what your team colors are. I think that's really gonna Those
• 36:52
  are really gonna pop and they're gonna be pretty popular. Yeah, and these
• 36:55
  are I do wonder if it's the same pattern as the wave wave. It's
• 37:00
  not as like consistent. It's like a combination of the nucleus or other types
• 37:07
  of refractors they put into like cosmic chrome and the ray wave. It's like
• 37:13
  some yeah they met in the middle or the tie dive refractors that came out
• 37:19
  with regular was that regular tops chrome those tid ive refractors, I think so,
• 37:24
  I think it was so something in between. But they do look really
• 37:29
  cool. I'm eyeing up right now like a blue green JP France. That
• 37:32
  looks really cool. Yeah. I think. Then the other thing that we
• 37:37
  kind of glazed over earlier that we you know, we gotta go back on
• 37:43
  is the tops. There was three boxes that you can get from Tops not
• 37:49
  counting retail, you can get the jumbo of the Hobby, but you also
• 37:52
  get the breakers Light Box, which I don't know if you've looked into that
• 37:57
  too much, but it's a very uni nique box design. It is kind
• 38:02
  of a from what I've seen, a mid price point, so it's kind
• 38:06
  of splits the difference between your jumbos and your hobbies. And it is exactly
• 38:13
  what it sounds like when it makes a lot of sense when you look at
• 38:15
  it. It is designed for breakers. It's not what you might want to
• 38:19
  say, which is the breakers get all the cool cards and all those things.
• 38:22
  It removes the base cards and each Tops Chrome Delight Hobby Breaker Box has
• 38:29
  one twelve card pack and in that pack there are six refractors, two on
• 38:34
  card autographs, one youth quake, and three base number parallels. That's it.
• 38:39
  That's what you get. Twelve cards, and it is kind of more
• 38:45
  direct go for the Hits type of car format, which is really kind of
• 38:50
  intriguing for folks that are after those Hits. So also being able to get
• 38:57
  two on card autographs for with all those other parallels without paying too much more
• 39:04
  than the Hobby. So very interesting. I'm not sure if that's gonna be
• 39:07
  a thing going forward or if not, but hey, I have more power
• 39:15
  to them for thinking creatively, and I bet your Breakers really do appreciate that
• 39:20
  versus going through all the base cards. Now, collectors like you and I
• 39:23
  who love our base cards probably not the target target market, but being able
• 39:30
  to go through those a lot quicker and really get to your hits is going
• 39:35
  to be probably a welcome, welcome change for the Breakers. So yeah,
• 39:43
  what are your thoughts on the Delight boxes? Breakers Delights well, and so
• 39:45
  it looks like they're being priced like the mid three hundred's per box, So
• 39:52
  it's almost kind of the equivalent of like a Tier one box or one of
• 39:57
  those other boxes where you have a limited number of car cards and you have
• 40:00
  it really focused on high end cards and autos and patches and refractors and things
• 40:07
  like that. So I get where it's coming from. Obviously, there is
• 40:10
  the concerning aspect of these boxes being loaded with more of the parallels and things
• 40:17
  that people still want to hit in, you know, the blaster boxes and
• 40:24
  regular hobby boxes, and hopefully it's not like where the majority of those pro
• 40:30
  debut cards are buried that. I hope that those are evenly spread out and
• 40:37
  it's not just all within these breakers boxes and you can see them getting pulled,
• 40:40
  but you have to imagine a lot of the cooler cards are in these
• 40:44
  boxes. So it's a little bit of are they It is concerning I think
• 40:52
  for then the overall industry if that's the lane that they're going to start playing
• 40:55
  in, because to be able to get some of these really cool cards or
• 41:00
  have the opportunity to pull them, you're going to have to work through the
• 41:05
  channel of a breaker, which is unfortunate because like the entire point of this
• 41:09
  has always been being able to roll into your Walmart and hit that Anthony Folby
• 41:15
  pro debut card. I mean, you know, your chances are worse than
• 41:21
  Charlie from the lottery here. We recognize that, but you still like the
• 41:27
  exactly the right and so yeah, that'll be concerning going forward to see how
• 41:34
  that works out. I mean, I, like I said, if it's
• 41:37
  proportional and it's lined up, okay, yeah, I can get it and
• 41:40
  understand that it's just a different type of product and having to know that,
• 41:45
  like you know, it's not like it's drastically changing what's in my blaster box.
• 41:52
  But if it is changing that, then it's I think a really concerning
• 41:57
  issue because it really topples just a lot of I think, what could be
• 42:02
  the future of where baseball cards go because overall, the you've got to build
• 42:08
  a bigger and broader base instead of trying to cash everything in now the way
• 42:14
  Finax tries to do from time to time. Yes, so it'll be interesting
• 42:17
  to see if that is a new trend. We're just something to try and
• 42:21
  out with with update. I have to expect that if they if they're doing
• 42:24
  this now, it's already in the plans for next year for most of the
• 42:29
  base series or at least the Chrome series, is what I would have to
• 42:31
  guess. So yeah, OK, right, well let's let's hit the upcoming
• 42:37
  sets. I got one that I at least want to want to mention,
• 42:42
  but I've probably talked about before. So anything you want to hit on as
• 42:45
  far as upcoming sets, because we do have a pretty chocked full section,
• 42:49
  uh for the next what two three weeks here? Yeah, they're still rolling
• 42:54
  out. I have been surprised that every time that I go back into to
• 42:59
  check it from the calendars that are out there. The sets are still coming,
• 43:04
  and we've been warning that a couple of weeks the past few weeks,
• 43:07
  but they are determined to get these sets out for the holiday season. Yeah,
• 43:12
  So we have Tops Museum coming here about a week from today, just
• 43:16
  the beginning of December. We have National Treasures Tops and Inception Bowmen Draft coming
• 43:22
  out on the twelfth of December. Bowen Draft used to be a pretty expensive
• 43:27
  product. It was like four hundred dollars a box. It's so something that
• 43:31
  we probably will talk about more as we get closer, to talk about some
• 43:34
  of the big prospects that you're going for in Draft, which has always been
• 43:37
  a fun set to collect, getting a little further out of reach and it
• 43:39
  has in the past. Then, also middle of December, we have Tops
• 43:44
  Japan and just in case you wanted it, it is out live on the
• 43:49
  Tops of Japan website right now. It is roughly eighteen thousand yen if you
• 43:55
  are counting, otherwise knowing as one hundred and twenty two dollars a box.
• 43:58
  If you want to do the translation, I would like to tell you that
• 44:00
  I read all about it, but unfortunately I don't speak Japanese, and all
• 44:07
  I was able to get is there's twenty four packs in a box anten cards
• 44:09
  per pack, and that's all I know. But hey, for one hundred
• 44:15
  and twenty two dollars, you know, they usually have some pretty cool parallels
• 44:19
  in there. Two hundred and forty cards not too bad. I did not
• 44:22
  look at shipping yet, so okay. And I also don't know if I
• 44:27
  know how to look at the shipping to be frank, but I will own
• 44:30
  I have ordered Tops Japan before from their website and tossed it into my cart.
• 44:37
  I'm failing to do so as we speak, and I would say it's
• 44:43
  usual air, but I literally don't know what I'm doing because I can't read
• 44:45
  the website. Doesn't mean I won't try to order one just for the fun
• 44:49
  of getting the Tops Japan, which is a much harder to find product here.
• 44:54
  So if you order some of those, please let us know. Let's
• 44:59
  just send us a note what your favorite cards are in the Top Japan box.
• 45:02
  But, like I said, a little over eighteen thousand yen if you're
• 45:06
  counting. Yeah, And if you are out there and can speak Japanese,
• 45:10
  reach out to Bruce so you can translate this website for him. So you
• 45:13
  can help them out. All. I know that there's no insurance because that's
• 45:17
  in English. For some reason, I have to pay for the customs duties
• 45:22
  and there's no insurance. Those are the only things in English apparently just made
• 45:28
  just for me. Yeah, they've run into that situation a couple of times,
• 45:31
  I guess in the past. Well, anyway, we will wrap up
• 45:35
  the cards section here and we will be back analyzing some trade candidates from Ember
• 45:40
  we trade rumors for the category section and what it could mean for their fancy
• 45:45
  value. Stick around, Okay, welcome back everybody to the category section of
• 46:05
  cards and categories, and today for the Fantasy Baseball analysis, we're going to
• 46:08
  get into some of the top trade candidates from MLB Trade Rumors put out a
• 46:15
  list of the top twenty five trade candidates in their mind just to analyze,
• 46:22
  you know, these teams that might be looking to move players and contracts over
• 46:28
  the offseason and find different landing spots for them. You know, how will
• 46:32
  that impact their value, you know, going away from their current rosters.
• 46:37
  And I think just kind of like the free agents we did last week in
• 46:39
  general, we probably both had the caveat that. If guys do move.
• 46:45
  I'm on board for kind of taking a few ticks off of their value just
• 46:51
  because the human element comes in that, you know, learning where you're going
• 46:55
  to be living and meeting new people and getting a new routine. I think
• 47:01
  it just grinds on guys that anytime somebody moves, I'm always taking a tick
• 47:07
  or two off of their value and would prefer somebody that sticks, or maybe
• 47:13
  even like sometimes I do even go to the next layer of considering did this
• 47:17
  guy used to playing this division and has he played this team more often?
• 47:22
  Things like that that you know, there's different grades and variations to how it
• 47:25
  could affect them psychologically. But brew are you kind of in the same camp
• 47:30
  as we get into these discussions that you would prefer to see these guys stick
• 47:34
  and unless you're obviously move in somewhere that's a significant upgrade either park or lineup
• 47:40
  wise, that generally it kind of grinds on players. Yeah, I think
• 47:45
  you're right. I think the general generalized statement is these guys have to learn
• 47:51
  new lineups, they have to find you know, there's risk of the philosophies,
• 47:57
  especially from a pitching perspective, where they're going. They have to learn
• 48:00
  and Gail with the But then there's a minutia of there's some locations that you
• 48:07
  can land that really do boost your value. And so just you know a
• 48:12
  few good examples that pictures landing in like Houston or Cleveland tend to be pretty
• 48:21
  intriguing because they tend to mess their mixed. Tampa also another one that UH
• 48:24
  tends to really seem like they analyze pictures and can add to their values.
• 48:30
  Same for hitters moving from a weaker lineup to a stronger lineup or even really
• 48:37
  much of a hitters park. So getting trade to Colorado or getting traded to
• 48:44
  Atlanta also things that can drastically impact value. But as a general statement,
• 48:51
  I think it's fair that there there is risk of change, high expectations that
• 48:57
  do tend to dragon a player that you'll want to tick him down unless there
• 49:00
  is the right landing spot for him. So right there with you for the
• 49:07
  vast majority of trades. So gotcha. And so we will get into like
• 49:13
  I said, it's from MLB Trade Rumors their top twenty five trade candidates.
• 49:16
  I'll link to it in the show notes, but we just picked six that
• 49:20
  we want to analyze and we'll go from there. So the first guy.
• 49:22
  I think, really there's a lot of pieces to analyze and parts here with
• 49:29
  Juan Soto, outfielder for the Padres, is first in the MLB trade rumors
• 49:34
  list and going to be a really intriguing piece here for the off season to
• 49:37
  see. The Padres are probably cut in payroll and he's going to be a
• 49:43
  free agent after the season, so are they going to move him here this
• 49:46
  offseason? And you know, I think it could be actually a situation where
• 49:52
  it's a pretty big detriment to one Soto because as much as he struggled early
• 49:57
  in the year, when it was all said and done, he really earned
• 50:00
  that value of like he was going around the one two turn in twenty twenty
• 50:05
  three drafts and at the end of the year he ended up with thirty five
• 50:08
  homers, ninety seven runs, one hundred and nine RBI, twelve steals,
• 50:13
  and had two seventy five average. That obviously he didn't get to his whole
• 50:17
  ceiling in San Diego this year, but you can't complain about that kind of
• 50:22
  being like the floor you locked in with bon Soto. Yeah, and really
• 50:27
  he had a bad like April May like after that he was fantastic. I
• 50:31
  was looking after May first. He hit two ninety with thirty home runs,
• 50:37
  ninety eight RBIs and eleven steels. So the vast majority of the production he's
• 50:39
  mentioned happened after May first, and it was very consistent at that point.
• 50:44
  So yeah, he got a little hard to get going, but he was
• 50:47
  one Soto and so I think that he is very comfortable now in San Diego,
• 50:52
  is making the most of it. So the only thing that really could
• 50:58
  help his value is going to who is stacked lineup somewhere, and otherwise I
• 51:04
  have to think that the pressure of going anywhere else, you know, because
• 51:08
  everybody's rumored with Sodo's, the Dodgers, is the Yankees, is most most
• 51:13
  of those places are going to have extremely high expectations because anybody that trades for
• 51:17
  Wan Soda has to be able to pay one Sodo. That's why that's why
• 51:22
  the Padres might trade him, is because they don't want to pay Wan Soda
• 51:24
  what Wan Soda deserves. And so I think that there is going to be
• 51:30
  some high pressure for him wherever he lands. So I don't know, what
• 51:37
  do you think? Where? Where? Where are you expecting him to?
• 51:39
  Uh? Are you expecting him to move. What's your what's your percentage odds
• 51:44
  that he's going to move? And if you had to take a guess,
• 51:45
  where do you think he lands. I do think he's gonna move, and
• 51:49
  it's going to be somewhere big. Like you said, I think whoever doesn't
• 51:52
  get out Tani is the person who calls the padres right away and tries to
• 51:58
  get Sodo. So that's you know, Yankee Dodgers, you know, Mets,
• 52:01
  some of these really big time teams that are wanting to talk to Wan
• 52:06
  Soto about an extension. And because of that, you know, it will
• 52:10
  be a lot of pressure, like you said, and sure it is going
• 52:13
  into a good lineup, but he's already hitting a great lineup, you know
• 52:16
  that, Like he would have been projected to have Xander Bogart's and Fernando Tatists
• 52:21
  in front of him again and Manny Machado and Hastin Kim hitting behind him.
• 52:27
  So it's tough to get a juicier lineup than that, which is really what
• 52:30
  drove a lot of you know, those counting stats that you can that you
• 52:35
  can bank with Juan Soto. So because of that, I think, you
• 52:39
  know, if he goes to New York. That's a huge boost in value,
• 52:43
  and I think you'll be seeing him at the back end of the first
• 52:45
  round again. Right now, he's going seventeenth in NFBC drafts, so going
• 52:52
  mid second round, and yeah, if he moves, I think he can
• 52:57
  still be of good value there, because honestly, this is another where he's
• 53:01
  just turned twenty five. The sky is still kind of the limit because of
• 53:06
  his eye and his batting ability. He just put up his hardest hit or
• 53:10
  his highest hard hit rate of his career last year, and he has the
• 53:16
  advantage of not being able to be shifted anymore. So he's still could produce
• 53:22
  some pretty high end value for you out of that second round. And I
• 53:27
  wouldn't be worried about taking him there even if you know he does. There
• 53:31
  is the possibility of him getting traded, which I think is pretty like ninety
• 53:36
  percent. Maybe what do you think? Yeah, I don't know if I'm
• 53:38
  gonna go ninety percent. I find a sixty to seventy percent range because it's
• 53:44
  it's so hard to trade a superstar because you have to have two teams that
• 53:49
  are interested, like not just interested, that have the capital and have the
• 53:53
  willingness to go there. And what I'm a little worried about with the Sodo
• 53:59
  market is, to your point, Otani Yamamoto, a few of those guys,
• 54:04
  a few the you know, big big name pictures like Snell. Like,
• 54:07
  if a few of those guys do get spread between those big pockets,
• 54:13
  is there gonna be big enough market for Soto that's gonna drive the price where
• 54:16
  the padres need it to be. That's that's the concern I have with them
• 54:22
  is that, you know, so they're gonna want what three top one hundred
• 54:24
  prospects or something. It's gonna be a crazy asking price and will like do
• 54:30
  the I should have looked before. But do the Yankees have that? Do
• 54:34
  the do the? I mean, I'm pretty sure the Dodgers do, But
• 54:37
  do they have enough of that capital? And are they not gonna be the
• 54:40
  ones to get Otani? That's the concern I have with the soda market is
• 54:45
  that they might be sorely disappointed what they can actually get for him. Yeah,
• 54:51
  you know who actually the perfect candidate for the trade that lines up to
• 54:53
  be It's the Cubs. It is the Cubs have a loaded system and this
• 54:59
  is a perfect boop for them they need another outfielder. Yeah, it's very
• 55:04
  possible. I think you're right. You can see a deal around like Pete
• 55:08
  Crow Armstrong and maybe Matt Mervis and I don't know. They have a few
• 55:15
  number of you good young pictures that they could put into that mix, like
• 55:19
  I Hayden was new Ski or something like that. You could see the guys
• 55:22
  right on the border being the guys that they want to pull over. Sojavey
• 55:27
  Rossad there's a number of guys over there in Chicago that could make that interesting.
• 55:30
  So either way, Wan Sodo generational talent. The only thing keeping him
• 55:37
  out of that first round has nothing to do with who he's playing for.
• 55:39
  It has everything to do with the like speed is the name of the game
• 55:43
  right now, and he actually had what twelve steals last year, but he's
• 55:46
  still like the bottom third of the league as far as actual sprint speed.
• 55:50
  He's not a terribly fast guy. He's like the Albert Pools of based Steelers.
• 55:54
  Like, he's really smart. He makes the most out of it,
• 55:58
  and you know, he probably will still give you ten to fifteen steals,
• 56:01
  but he's not gonna he's not gonna go twenty twenty for you, at least
• 56:07
  I don't think he will. No. I mean, he does have a
• 56:08
  midpick of nine. So there are still the believers out there that one SODA's
• 56:15
  going to be solidly in the second round. And I think he, like
• 56:17
  I said, he could creep up to that one two turn right, and
• 56:21
  he's a fantastic second round pick right to pair with somebody that might have a
• 56:24
  little average difficulty, you know, might have might have crazy upside for a
• 56:30
  number of other reasons, you might want to pair a Soda with him,
• 56:34
  because Soto has one of the highest floors in the league. And then we've
• 56:39
  got a couple of kind of clusters of other guys that we're going to look
• 56:43
  at. The first is a trio of pitchers that come from the list,
• 56:46
  and the first one is Corbyn Burns from the Milwaukee Brewers, who is again
• 56:52
  on the trade block, and I think another guy who honestly, I would
• 56:57
  put him almost at eighty to ninety percent with Moon Soto and my mind,
• 57:00
  because the Brewers are clearly starting to dismantle and tear things down a little bit
• 57:05
  to reset after Council has left, so I think Burns is probably leaving,
• 57:09
  and especially with Brandon Woodruff being out for who knows how long with that shoulder
• 57:15
  injury. The Brewers know that they've got to get Burns traded before he also
• 57:22
  blows out. And I think here that this is a good opportunity for Burns
• 57:28
  to maybe find some fresh life, find a new team, and especially if
• 57:31
  you're in a five by five traditional roto league, maybe even eke out a
• 57:37
  few more wins just because like the Brewers were solid, but they weren't,
• 57:40
  you know, top of the line, really great at providing him wins.
• 57:45
  And you know they might he might end up with a team that really wants
• 57:50
  to ride him a little bit harder because they're not going to worry about those
• 57:52
  free agent years. So, brew what do you think about Burns and whether
• 57:58
  or not he's going to get traded and maybe any landing spots that you can
• 58:00
  think of. Yeah, I think of all the guys that we're going to
• 58:06
  talk about, I think Corbyn Burns is probably the most likely to to be
• 58:10
  moved. It just makes so much sense for him to no one year left.
• 58:16
  Clearly, the Brewers are retooling, we'll just use that term for them.
• 58:22
  They're they're retooling. He is gonna be probably the best h pitcher on
• 58:29
  the trade market, and you know, he he just he's almost toiling at
• 58:35
  this point in Milwaukee. He just feels like that team having a kind of
• 58:39
  a rough second half. You know, he he could have done more,
• 58:44
  he just wasn't asked to do more. And so I think he is very
• 58:50
  very likely to get traded. As far as landing spots, you know,
• 58:55
  I I look at I think he's one of those who's gonna has the potential
• 58:59
  to be laying in the kind of an unconventional spot, not one of the
• 59:02
  big pockets, because the Brewers is gonna be looking for prospects, the team
• 59:07
  that's trading for Burns looking for He's actually still on a relatively reasonable contract fifteen
• 59:13
  million for next year, and so somewhere like Baltimore might be a good spot
• 59:21
  for him to land. Arizona another spot I could see him landing, And
• 59:27
  so I'm really looking at kind of mid tier teams is trying to make that
• 59:30
  push that has some good young prospects but also on a budget, is really
• 59:34
  where I think Corbyn Burns is most likely to end up. But I think
• 59:38
  there's extremely high likelihood that Corbyn Burns is wearing a different jersey next year,
• 59:45
  Yeah, and I agree. I mean, I think the other place I
• 59:46
  was thinking he could land is maybe San Francisco. That might make a little
• 59:51
  bit of sense to and I think it will depend on where he lands what
• 59:58
  his value is going to be. So if I am draft now, I'm
• 1:00:00
  not sure, or if you know, I'm drafting any time before, when
• 1:00:05
  kind of rosters are starting to get set and they're getting to spring training time,
• 1:00:08
  I'm thinking I would prefer other people around Burns. So he's currently going
• 1:00:14
  around the two three turn in NFBC data at twenty five. Other pitchers around
• 1:00:19
  him are Lose Castillo, who we expounded upon a couple episodes ago that honestly,
• 1:00:25
  maybe I would take Burns over Castillo, but I'd rather take any of
• 1:00:29
  these next three guys that are going after him, Zack Wheeler, Kevin Gossman,
• 1:00:34
  and Zach Gallon. I'd rather have those three guys over Burns just because
• 1:00:37
  of knowing their study situations. They're on good teams, and I you know,
• 1:00:44
  it would worry me if Burns ends up in the AL where he's you
• 1:00:46
  know, less familiar with the teams, and especially the AL East trying to
• 1:00:52
  go through that gauntlet that he's had a really relatively easy in the NL Central
• 1:00:58
  all of his career. So if he's not getting to carve up the Pirates
• 1:01:00
  and the bygone pre Eli Reds and even the Cardinals last year, you know,
• 1:01:07
  some of these kind of stinker teams that it's it could be a little
• 1:01:10
  bit more of a dicey situation for him. Yeah, I tend to agree.
• 1:01:15
  I would say I think Burns is probably going too early, but I
• 1:01:20
  think also the other guys you listed are probably going to early as well.
• 1:01:24
  And I think there is this really there's a for next year's pitching. There's
• 1:01:29
  like a very high top few like the Striders and Coal, and then after
• 1:01:34
  that it's just like, don't touch pitching for a little while because the guys
• 1:01:37
  that are that you're paying as your number ones all have some kind of concern
• 1:01:40
  and so you know, I probably take Burns or Gosspil myself. But yeah,
• 1:01:44
  to your point, Wheeler probably take Wheeler over Burns. So I think
• 1:01:49
  kind of in the right the right area at this point, But just in
• 1:01:52
  general, I think that he's that the pitching of that caliber is going a
• 1:01:55
  little too high and drafts next year. Yeah, yeah, okay, And
• 1:02:00
  then so we'll move on to our next picture, and that is Dylan Cease
• 1:02:04
  of the White Sox, who came off a really, really rough twenty twenty
• 1:02:08
  two that he ended up putting up a four to fifty eighty RA over one
• 1:02:13
  hundred and seventy seven innings. His K nine dipped to ten point eight and
• 1:02:20
  he went seven to nine on the season for a really poor Socks team that
• 1:02:23
  was coming off of a near cy Young Awards season in twenty twenty two with
• 1:02:30
  a two point two ERA over one hundred and eighty four eatings with an eleven
• 1:02:34
  point one K nine, So that's a huge drop off. And the whip
• 1:02:37
  also bloomed last year to one four to two after being one to eleven and
• 1:02:43
  twenty twenty two. So I don't think we're ever going to see twenty twenty
• 1:02:46
  two Dylan Cease. It was a weird, magical time that all he was
• 1:02:51
  doing was going fastball slider like Robbie Ray that there's only so long you can
• 1:02:55
  ride that. But the talent is certainly way better than that four p fifty
• 1:03:00
  eight year Ray that I would expect him to get. Maybe closer to Steamer
• 1:03:07
  has him for a four thirteen, but I think he can get back below
• 1:03:09
  four. And this is a guy that, compared to some of the others
• 1:03:13
  where we may be a little worried about where the landing spot is, getting
• 1:03:16
  Dilan Ceas out of Chicago and away from the White Sox organization is the best
• 1:03:22
  thing that could happen to him. He is a right handed Robbie Ray where
• 1:03:27
  he's a two pitch pitcher, but the pitches are nasty and if he honestly,
• 1:03:31
  it's a little bit like a Spencer Strider light when he's going right,
• 1:03:36
  and he's got the mustache and the mound presence, and so that mound presence
• 1:03:40
  is what drove him to that twenty twenty two that getting on a new team
• 1:03:45
  where he can rejuvenate himself, I think would be the best thing for Dylan
• 1:03:49
  Cees. Yeah. I tend to agree. He's the one guy that you
• 1:03:52
  look at and he's been a little unlucky things like that. But if he
• 1:03:58
  lands with one of those teams that really seems like they know what to do
• 1:04:00
  with pictures, he's really interesting. But besides that, I wouldn't touch Dylan
• 1:04:06
  Ce's with a ten foot pole. But I think he is one of those
• 1:04:11
  that there's more in the name because of that twenty twenty two season he had
• 1:04:15
  had, even in the twenty twenty one season that he had with all the
• 1:04:17
  strikeouts, there's more in the name than there is in the resume right now.
• 1:04:23
  And I think that folks are going to overpay for him, especially if
• 1:04:25
  they go to he goes to a you know, a big, big name
• 1:04:29
  team, somebody pays big dollars for him from a prospect perspective and brings him
• 1:04:33
  over. You know, he lands in Boston, or he lands in I
• 1:04:36
  don't know where, it's Chicago, he goes with the Mets, he lands
• 1:04:41
  on those teams, I think he's gonna get some helium, way more than
• 1:04:44
  he deserves. And yeah, was he a little unlucky twenty three, Yes
• 1:04:47
  he was. Was his velocity down, yes, it was his walks up,
• 1:04:53
  Yes, it was like it wasn't just bad luck. There was some
• 1:04:57
  warning signs. But with any team. But if any player that has mishandling
• 1:05:01
  potentially on one team and could get a handled better on another team, that's
• 1:05:04
  that's Dylan cease. But unless he lands, like I said, with Tampa
• 1:05:09
  or Cleveland or Houston or something like that, who seems like they know what
• 1:05:12
  they're doing with pictures. I'm probably gonna be staying away from from Dylan Cease
• 1:05:16
  for the foreseeable future. Yeah, and honestly, his draft position is much
• 1:05:23
  higher than I would have anticipated coming off of that four fifty eight year array
• 1:05:27
  last year. That ceases the one hundred and six pitcher off the board.
• 1:05:30
  Other pictures in this range starting at pick one hundred are Kyle Bradish, Joe
• 1:05:36
  Ryan Walker, Bueler, Joe Musgrove, Hunter Green, Tanner, Biby.
• 1:05:44
  So he's in a pretty wrong Sorry, I'm just wrong. He should not
• 1:05:47
  be there. Yeah, he is. I would take every single one of
• 1:05:50
  those other guys over Dylan ce and you could probably go down that list another
• 1:05:55
  fifty picks, and I'm still happy with with what I'm getting exactly. And
• 1:05:59
  it is like Cole Reagan's is at one nineteen that people are already pricing in
• 1:06:05
  him moving. So I would agree that like that is a very steep price
• 1:06:10
  for Dylan Cease. And unless he's really starting to fall because things just don't
• 1:06:16
  seem to be cooking with a white Sox trade, it's gonna take quite a
• 1:06:21
  bit of slippage from that draft position for me to be in on Dylan Seas
• 1:06:26
  as well. Yeah, I mean, I just let he's on the top
• 1:06:28
  fifty pitchers overall and just going down pictures that you can have for a much
• 1:06:33
  better price after him, and they all have works. Don't get me wrong,
• 1:06:36
  Max Sureser, We're not sure what we're gonna get, but I would
• 1:06:41
  take Max sures Or over Dylan Seas because if he's healthy in pitching, he's
• 1:06:45
  definitely outperforming. And for the Rangers, yep, Sonny Gray, Merril,
• 1:06:49
  Kelly Bailey, ober Nathan Uvaldi, you have you know, I even take
• 1:07:00
  you Darvish over him if it was it was me, a Clayton Kershaw.
• 1:07:04
  You know Kershaw, he only might pitch half the season, but when he
• 1:07:06
  does, he's gonna be fabulous. So I think that there is there's something
• 1:07:11
  being priced in there already, whether it's the upside or the move, that
• 1:07:15
  his price point is way way too high at this point. And yeah,
• 1:07:20
  let's get into the next guy who you kind of skipped over in terms of
• 1:07:24
  like the slippage that was by design, That was by design. As I
• 1:07:27
  was watching you slipped down the NFBC rankings, and this guy's at one forty
• 1:07:31
  six right now. It is Shane Bieber, Guardians pitcher, so EXI young
• 1:07:36
  winner, coming off shoulder issues from last year, coming off a really tough
• 1:07:43
  season. And I think I've never been a purely big Shane Bieber guy,
• 1:07:49
  and this year was the first year I ever owned him in a league and
• 1:07:54
  it backfired so badly. So I apologize for that because I've never been on
• 1:08:00
  board with just the lack of the strikeouts and the Shane Bieber profile. The
• 1:08:05
  and obviously it peaked in twenty twenty at fourteen point two that it was just
• 1:08:11
  a magical run, but that was twelve starts and it just even it's kind
• 1:08:17
  of blowing my mind that he even put up a twelve point four K nine
• 1:08:21
  and twenty twenty one, although that came within injuries as well. So Ever,
• 1:08:27
  since that twenty twenty one Shane Bieber has really struggled to find the strikeout
• 1:08:32
  groove again, as he's put up in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three
• 1:08:38
  combined. Me, you can do this on fangrafts, so I'm gonna highlight
• 1:08:42
  it real fast. He's had a three twenty four earra with over three hundred
• 1:08:45
  and twenty eight innings with an eight point three K nine. So that is
• 1:08:49
  really I mean. Shane Bieber was traditionally being drafted in second and third rounds.
• 1:08:55
  He was a pretty hefty price pitcher. So I think this might actually
• 1:09:00
  be a spot where there is a chance to get some value because he's going
• 1:09:06
  real late. He is, and that's part of what it treats me about
• 1:09:11
  Shane Bieber here. He's not the Shane Bieber of the first and second round
• 1:09:15
  type talent. And I've been a long time Shane Bieber fan club cardholder here,
• 1:09:19
  so when I look at him, he has the things that I look
• 1:09:24
  for in a picture. Doesn't walk a lot of guys, has a high
• 1:09:28
  ground ball rate and generally keeps the ball in the ballpark right. And he
• 1:09:36
  has also the type of profile that generally outplays all the advanced metrics, so
• 1:09:42
  he's always doing better than his his x EIRA. He's generally doing better than
• 1:09:47
  his fifth is kind of what he profiled does. But his velocity the last
• 1:09:54
  few years has really dropped off, and I have to think that he's been
• 1:10:00
  pitching hurt to a degree, and we know He's been in and out,
• 1:10:03
  especially this last year in and out with with injuries, and so I think
• 1:10:06
  that there if he is healthy and that k rate can come back into the
• 1:10:12
  mid eights or even up to nine. He's an absolute steal at that point.
• 1:10:17
  The problem being where does he land. That's I think what really,
• 1:10:20
  you know, going like you're leaving one of those pitching factories, and I
• 1:10:25
  think there's a I mean, he's prime in the model of spit him out.
• 1:10:29
  You know, the Cleveland loves to build these pitchers up and then ship
• 1:10:32
  them out when they get expensive. They got they got replacements, They've got
• 1:10:35
  plenty of other guys in it. So I think you're right. He he
• 1:10:40
  does fit well, he's got I don't think he's going to be a guy
• 1:10:43
  that completely bombs on you. I think he has some upside. And so
• 1:10:46
  the point in the draft where he's going, I think it's really really interesting
• 1:10:51
  because you compare him to like the guys right before him, Chris Bassett and
• 1:10:56
  Gavin Williams. I'm taking Shane Bieber all day. You have to go down
• 1:11:00
  the list after that, Kristin Havier Merril, Kelly Mitch Keller, Josey Barrios.
• 1:11:04
  Yeah, I'm taking Shane Bieber. Sure, I'm a Bailey over also
• 1:11:10
  a cardholder actually sit on the board of that fin club. But there's other
• 1:11:15
  guys that I might take over over Bieber. But it's being priced in pretty
• 1:11:21
  well. But what's really interesting from the draft results is the spread on shame.
• 1:11:28
  Have you've seen inane? Yeah, so how you go ahead? Go
• 1:11:30
  ahead? Since you were already there before I got there, go ahead.
• 1:11:32
  And he's got a min pick of sixty eight and a high of two forty
• 1:11:35
  five that I think it shows a lot of like those concerns and those flags
• 1:11:42
  the are here that and I was mistaken. It wasn't a shoulder he went
• 1:11:45
  down with. It was a right elbow inflammation that ended his season. So
• 1:11:50
  that's got quite a few red, yellow, orange, all sorts of bad
• 1:11:55
  flags. But the thing with Bieber I think going into this offseason will be
• 1:12:01
  if he does move, it shows some amount of health, because whoever is
• 1:12:08
  looking at those medicals when they trade for him are okay with it enough to
• 1:12:13
  go through with the trades. So I think that might cause his price to
• 1:12:18
  to you know, bump up, and but he'll still have his detractors because
• 1:12:23
  people are going to be worried about that elbow. And I do think it's
• 1:12:27
  so late, you know, in the one fifties that if that is where
• 1:12:30
  he truly does go and drafts, I will probably end up with you know,
• 1:12:34
  a share or to just because it starts to get so late that.
• 1:12:39
  I mean there's leagues that I took a shot on de Gram at the number,
• 1:12:45
  like in the second round last year, and that was way more risky
• 1:12:47
  than this that at this point, you're getting into territory where you know,
• 1:12:51
  people are drafted white at Langford and starting to put their stakes in the ground
• 1:12:56
  that Shin Bieber is not going to kill you at this price. No,
• 1:13:00
  he absolutely not. And when you're I mean you're literally talking, what's that
• 1:13:03
  the twelfth round? Like if you miss on the twelfth round pick, that's
• 1:13:11
  fine, Like it's not that big of a deal. And I don't think
• 1:13:14
  with Shane Bieber, a miss on him isn't like he's not useful to a
• 1:13:19
  degree. He's still a middle mid rotation guy that can eat some Indians and
• 1:13:25
  just solid whip, solid e RA a little low on the strikeouts, so
• 1:13:29
  he's still got really good value even if you take him there. But the
• 1:13:31
  upside, there's a difference between to me, to a guy that has been
• 1:13:35
  there before and done it, versus a guy that you hope will do it.
• 1:13:40
  Like Bieber's been there, He's been top of the of the pitching echelon
• 1:13:45
  number one pitcher debate, and so it's not inconceivable that he can get back
• 1:13:53
  there. He has a good offseason, gets healthy, gets a little bulk
• 1:13:56
  up, and velosity jumps back up a few ticks. He goes to drive
• 1:13:59
  line that just solves everything for everybody, and you know, he could easily
• 1:14:03
  get there again, versus you might be grabbing a different guy around him hoping,
• 1:14:09
  you know, let's just look at the guy after him in the in
• 1:14:12
  draft, Jordan Montgomery. I don't think Jordan Montgomery ever has a chance of
• 1:14:16
  being the true number one from a fantasy perspective, challenging him in the top
• 1:14:23
  five overall starting pictures, I just don't see it in that profile. Bieber
• 1:14:28
  cut I'm not saying it's gonna happen. I'm not. I'm saying the odds
• 1:14:30
  are low, like we're talking five ten percent odds here, But like I
• 1:14:33
  said, if he ends up a drive line, I'm drafting them all day
• 1:14:35
  at that price. Yeah. And I think part of it too is that
• 1:14:41
  usually in that point the draft, I'm such a builder of like trying to
• 1:14:45
  bring up my floor a bit early in drafts, except for obviously when I
• 1:14:48
  was talking about you know, yeah, but that I'm usually trying to bank
• 1:14:58
  that early on so that I can take shot like this in the tenth round
• 1:15:01
  and beyond. And you know, if Shane Bieber does flame out and his
• 1:15:05
  elbows busted, like you can prepare for that and have things ready, so
• 1:15:11
  it's not going to kill you at that price. And yeah, I like
• 1:15:14
  it. So let's get into the next cluster of guys. We got two
• 1:15:18
  second basement here or middle infielders. I mean, I don't know when one
• 1:15:24
  of them is last played shortstop. But the first guy we got is Jonathan
• 1:15:28
  India from the Reds and he is on the trade block here as the Reds
• 1:15:32
  have a very crowded infield and more players on the way from their minor league
• 1:15:38
  system. Jonathan India is getting closer and closer free agency and has just really
• 1:15:43
  started to fade since his Rookie of the Year campaign that last year he also
• 1:15:47
  battled Plantar fasciitis and only got in one hundred and nineteen games to the tune
• 1:15:54
  of a two forty four average with seventeen homers and fourteen stone bases that came
• 1:15:59
  with seven it runs sixty one RBI, and he was only just an average
• 1:16:03
  hitter overall, only a ninety nine WRC plus with minus defense. So he's
• 1:16:10
  also just kind of turned into a baseball player. So I can see why
• 1:16:14
  the Reds want to find a more interesting option. So it might not take
• 1:16:17
  too much to get the Reds to trade Jonathan Indiana town and with second base
• 1:16:24
  being so shallow this year, I mean, I think India will still play
• 1:16:30
  a role in a lot of drafts. So Brew, what do you think
• 1:16:32
  a trade could do for India and his draft overall or draft value overall.
• 1:16:38
  Yeah, I think he's one of the guys that, in a weird way,
• 1:16:41
  is probably is the most benefic It's one of the most benefits from being
• 1:16:44
  traded. He was getting crowded out of that infield, and to be honest,
• 1:16:48
  there's just not a lot of playing room for us. And I wouldn't
• 1:16:51
  say that he's he's been dreadful with his results, but he's not He's not
• 1:16:58
  Elie dela Cruz, He's not a Cees, he's not Matt McClain, he's
• 1:17:02
  not Spencer Steer, like, let's the list keeps going from vel Marte like,
• 1:17:06
  he isn't those guys. But yet he's still a pretty it's a pretty
• 1:17:13
  solid major league player. You know, it's not out of the realm to
• 1:17:18
  say that he could go twenty twenty. I don't know that he's gonna He's
• 1:17:23
  more like a fifteen to fifteen type of guy. But he's he's not gonna
• 1:17:29
  hurt you. He's gonna, you know, get on base at a pretty
• 1:17:32
  reasonable clip. He's gonna have he's gonna be relatively affordable in drafts, And
• 1:17:40
  so I think he's one of those guys that getting out of Cincinnati is really
• 1:17:44
  gonna be the best thing for him, because he's gonna go to another team
• 1:17:47
  and probably get a better chance to hit towards the top of the lineup,
• 1:17:51
  gets to score some more runs, and I think a fresh start's gonna help
• 1:17:55
  him. And none of this is based on statistics, right, This is
• 1:17:58
  all out scenario for him, and I think he has the gritst upside of
• 1:18:03
  a lot of the players that we're talking about. Yeah, and I think
• 1:18:09
  I'm a little bit more down on him than you are, just because this
• 1:18:13
  is two straight years of just really mid production overall that you know, I
• 1:18:19
  for some reason, I haven't built up as like a batting average guy in
• 1:18:23
  my head. But he's a career two fifty five hitter. He has hit
• 1:18:28
  two forty four and two forty nine the past couple of years. And if
• 1:18:31
  I'm getting like a fifteen fifteen sort of guy at his point in the draft,
• 1:18:36
  it's a little bit later than Bieber he's currently going at. Let me
• 1:18:42
  see, I lost him. It's one going two. Yep, he's kind
• 1:18:45
  of a it's like a fifteenth round type of guy. So yeah, as
• 1:18:49
  I'm thricing him, and that's what I'm thinking about, is if you can
• 1:18:53
  get a guy that can maybe hit two sixty two seventy, if you squint
• 1:18:57
  and hit go fifteen to fifteen, and that point of the draft, I'm
• 1:19:00
  not I'm okay with it. Yeah, I mean I think I need a
• 1:19:04
  little more ceiling on the counting stats. If I'm going to take that batting
• 1:19:11
  like that, that's a lower batting average than like it feels like, especially
• 1:19:15
  because when you're looking at some of these am I's and infielders that are going
• 1:19:21
  in this range. You've also got likes of Trevor Story. Definitely would rather
• 1:19:27
  have Story Gorman love Story. Yeah, Gorman. I'm a bit of a
• 1:19:31
  Homer, but I think I might think about that over India just because of
• 1:19:35
  the upside and the homers there. Billy Adamas. I would definitely take Williadamas
• 1:19:41
  over India. You've got Jackson Holliday down here, like that's really fun Atward
• 1:19:46
  Julian. I love Edward Julian, So it's a little bit more of like,
• 1:19:50
  I'm just not really quite an India guy that like, if I was
• 1:19:55
  able to pay for a two fifty average in like twelve twelve, I think
• 1:20:00
  I would be in. But that's not really the price that's usually at the
• 1:20:02
  table and the plantar FASTI iis that he battled last year. I that that's
• 1:20:11
  kind of like the nail and the coffin of being out, because that is
• 1:20:15
  not a fun injury to deal with, and it nags and it's not something
• 1:20:18
  that goes away unless there's like rest and rehab. To a really significant extent,
• 1:20:24
  that between him and Carl's career this year that I want to see those
• 1:20:30
  players be healthy before I start taking any shares of them again. And I
• 1:20:33
  know maybe I'll miss out on some great upside, but I have a feeling
• 1:20:38
  that the plantar fasti iis is going to sap a lot of like what happens
• 1:20:42
  going forward with both of them. Yeah, so it'll be it'll be interested
• 1:20:45
  to see. I think I know that I said that Burns is very likely
• 1:20:51
  to be traded. I think that India's right right there, right right there
• 1:20:57
  with him. He just doesn't have a spot to play in Cincinnati, So
• 1:21:00
  I think we'll be talking about him again once he finds his new home for
• 1:21:08
  next year. Yeah, exactly. And then the other trade candidate we wanted
• 1:21:13
  to talk about was who I alluded to earlier hasn't played shorts time a long
• 1:21:17
  time. That is Second Baseman labor tours from the New York Yankees, who
• 1:21:24
  I think it's just more so of like he just needs to change his scenery,
• 1:21:27
  and the Yankees are just kind of tired of him being there. They're
• 1:21:30
  ready to move on to Volpie and Parraza and hand over the reins from Torres
• 1:21:36
  to the next kind of wave of guys that Torres had a pretty solid season
• 1:21:42
  in twenty twenty three for the Yankees. He put up twenty five homers with
• 1:21:45
  a two seventy three average That came with ninety runs and sixty eight ribs and
• 1:21:49
  thirteen stone bases, which were really frontloaded. I remember that he went like
• 1:21:55
  crazy the first couple of weeks and then stopped stealing. But he also cut
• 1:21:59
  his his k rate a lot to fourteen point six after being a career let
• 1:22:08
  me check it real fast. Has entered with a career k rate of twenty
• 1:22:14
  one point nine, so he almost cut it, you know, seven points.
• 1:22:17
  He also entered with a walk rate of eight point six and got a
• 1:22:21
  ten percent walk rate this year, so he showed a lot better I in
• 1:22:26
  his twenty six year season, his age twenty six season. So it's kind
• 1:22:32
  of funny that the Yankees want to even move on from him because he's probably
• 1:22:38
  like the most athletic player that they have. But brew, what do you
• 1:22:42
  think about, like where the future could go for glabor tours and what could
• 1:22:47
  be a great lending spot for him? Yeah, I really struggle with labor
• 1:22:51
  tours. I've never really been that big on him. He was like one
• 1:22:55
  of those guys that every year he figures one thing out and then forgets everything
• 1:22:59
  else he learned. I don't know if that's really fair, but like he
• 1:23:02
  hits for power one year, that the next two years he can't scround more
• 1:23:06
  than ten. He hits for average, then it kind of falls off.
• 1:23:10
  This year he learned to have some plate approach some patients. Is that gonna
• 1:23:15
  stick. I don't know. It seems like he's really struggled to find consistency.
• 1:23:20
  But to your point, it's actually one of the most interesting hitters that
• 1:23:23
  the Yankees have, and so it's like for years I was like, yeah,
• 1:23:27
  we should get rid of this guy, and now he finally feels like
• 1:23:29
  he's maybe coming into who he actually really is, which is kind of a
• 1:23:31
  mid level player. Don't expect too much and you might be happy, and
• 1:23:36
  they're looking to move him, so I unfortunately, I do think pretty much
• 1:23:42
  anywhere Torres goes is going to be a downgrade because he is leaving a pretty
• 1:23:47
  good ballpark for you know, his his swing. You know, he does
• 1:23:53
  get a decent number of home runs over that short right field porch for the
• 1:24:00
  Yankees. I'm trying to look last year you know, Baseball Savannah does their
• 1:24:06
  wonderful ex home run, and he was kind of right on that. But
• 1:24:12
  the percent of no doubters is for him has traditionally not been the highest.
• 1:24:16
  Last year was sixteen percent. This year was actually thirty two percent. But
• 1:24:20
  he's just he's one of those guys that's just not destroying them out of the
• 1:24:26
  ballpark, and he could end up in another ballpark like Boston or Baltimore,
• 1:24:32
  San Francisco, Kansas City, some of those that just aren't going to play
• 1:24:36
  nearly as well for him. I'm not saying those are the teams that he's
• 1:24:40
  going to go to, but he has taken advantage of Yankee Stadium and just
• 1:24:45
  the complete lack of consistency he's had in his career just leaves something to be
• 1:24:51
  desired, and he's probably gonna be as good of a lineup, so he's
• 1:24:54
  not gonna have as much protection that he has had in the past. So
• 1:24:58
  I think it is regardless of where he goes, and I don't have a
• 1:25:02
  great prediction of a landing spot for Torres, I think it's going he's gonna
• 1:25:08
  get a boost of value because folks are going to hear his name and see
• 1:25:12
  him, and I think it's going to actually be the end versus what he
• 1:25:15
  actually probably deserves. So I don't know, what are you about you?
• 1:25:17
  Where are you on Torres? I'm a little higher in India, a little
• 1:25:20
  lower on Torres. Potentially here, I think I'm the opposite. I think
• 1:25:25
  I'm a little bit higher because I think his line from Steamer, I think
• 1:25:30
  is really fair. It's pegged for twenty five homers at a two seventy average,
• 1:25:33
  with mid eighties runs and RBI with midteen stolen bases. That's what he's
• 1:25:41
  been for the past, like when he's been healthy, like he was out
• 1:25:45
  for a little bit in twenty twenty one, but that's pretty much an average
• 1:25:47
  of his twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three seasons. That he's going into
• 1:25:51
  his age twenty seven season, he's right there, like at the tail end
• 1:25:55
  of this prime that I think he's you can just almost set it and forget
• 1:25:59
  it at that And even if he leaves New York, like sure the park
• 1:26:05
  will be a downgrade, but he's out of the pressure cooker of that media
• 1:26:09
  situation. He's actually I think going to enter a better lineup. We covered
• 1:26:15
  this a little bit in the free agency piece last week, the Yankees lineup
• 1:26:17
  is garbage and it was last year. Yeah, And so like there's a
• 1:26:23
  reason he only put up sixty eight ribs, and I think he can get
• 1:26:28
  back up into that eighty level range if he leaves. So he's currently going
• 1:26:32
  actually right around Dylan Cees and Traps at pick one oh two in range of
• 1:26:40
  a bunch of other guys that I like that. You know, this is
• 1:26:43
  a nice range to start picking up hitters to round out your lineup in terms
• 1:26:47
  of you've got like Alex Bregman going around here, Spencer Steer, Tristan Cassas,
• 1:26:53
  Bryson Stott, guys that are just kind of putting up production for you
• 1:26:58
  in terms of lots of different categories, playing every day, playing in the
• 1:27:02
  top third of lineups. So I think Glaber is pretty much perfectly priced there
• 1:27:10
  that you can take that Steamer line and take a little of risk off of
• 1:27:16
  like ear draft board if you're looking at Glabor in that price range. So
• 1:27:20
  I've always kind of liked Labor because he also he's just a solid hitter you
• 1:27:26
  can like tell when you watch him, and I like that he's rounding out
• 1:27:29
  his batting eye with you know, the k rate cut didn't come with a
• 1:27:32
  significant drop in his overall hard hit rate the way it did for Cody Bellinger,
• 1:27:36
  and he's just a pretty solid line drive hitter. Yeah, it's gonna
• 1:27:42
  be really interesting because I just don't have the same buy into to Labor that
• 1:27:45
  you do. And I look at the other guys around him, looking at
• 1:27:49
  Tristan Casas Lane, Thomas Spencer, Torkelsen, George Springer is going almost two
• 1:27:57
  three rounds later than him. You've got Volpe, You've got Anthony's Santander,
• 1:28:03
  Tasker Hernandez. You've got guys that I would much rather have than Labor.
• 1:28:10
  Torres going two three, five rounds later than him, And so it is.
• 1:28:13
  It's interesting. It's like maybe it's one of those years that a Glabor
• 1:28:15
  guy or you're not. And I just the inconsistency I've seen from him throughout
• 1:28:21
  his career just does not give me the face that, yes, he was
• 1:28:25
  a better hit of this last year. I just don't. I don't know
• 1:28:28
  that he can maintain it, that's my concern. It seems like he's always
• 1:28:31
  trying to learn relearn what he had did the previous year. So I think
• 1:28:38
  we'll have to put a bet onto Glabor Torres going to next year because you'll
• 1:28:43
  own all the shares if we're in the same league, because I will not
• 1:28:45
  have any of them. Yeah, and it might be a little bit of
• 1:28:49
  a function of how shallow second base is, although and I think it's a
• 1:28:56
  cliff thing too, although this probably isn't gonna stick. Like the two guys
• 1:29:00
  that go behind him are are stat at one oh eight, which makes sense,
• 1:29:03
  and then to tell Martea one twenty two, which seems too feels really
• 1:29:08
  low, feels really low for yeah, that I think that one's gonna shoot
• 1:29:14
  up a bit. But then there's a cliff, Like then you're starting to
• 1:29:15
  talk about Andre Semenez and Zach Geloff and guys with some pretty big wartz tyro
• 1:29:23
  strata that second base that there's a little bit of a cliff, and maybe
• 1:29:28
  that's why Torres kit goes there. You're right there, there is a really
• 1:29:31
  good because like that after the top ten, it really seems to drop off.
• 1:29:34
  And then there's there's guys with potential, but again they all have their
• 1:29:39
  works of some degree and and like I said, with Glaber, Glaber's got
• 1:29:45
  just like you can pretty much set it and forget it for mid twenties.
• 1:29:48
  Homer's mid teen stolen bases with like a two seventy average. So that's a
• 1:29:53
  factor there too, is like you just want that production sometimes, and if
• 1:29:57
  you've taken maybe some bigger shots before you got to labor and need a second
• 1:30:00
  basement, it might drive a little bit of people trying to take him there
• 1:30:03
  from a strategy, Yeah, it's that. You're right. I think his
• 1:30:09
  ADP may be just driven solely by the position getting so thin because you don't
• 1:30:15
  you really do not want to get out of so you're insane. A twelfeam
• 1:30:17
  League number thirteen. Let's just go thirteen through twenty Fio Estrada, Tommy Edmund
• 1:30:27
  Luis, Ariya's India, Nolan Gorman, Edward Hulan, Ryan McMahon, Brandan
• 1:30:31
  Drewy like nothing. I mean, there's a few guys like yeah, it's
• 1:30:35
  interesting or I wouldn't mind having them, but there's nobody's like, yes,
• 1:30:40
  that's that's what I want as my starting second basement. That's the well I
• 1:30:45
  think I can get by with this. I hope it works out type of
• 1:30:48
  group. So there, you're absode right, there's a cliff there, So
• 1:30:51
  I will give you the win on that that announce. Yep, for sure.
• 1:30:56
  It is something that I'm really tracking. Like second base is a weird
• 1:30:59
  position because it's gonna really make you think about Mooki at the number one pick
• 1:31:04
  because it is such a funky, shallow position that like it's you struggle to
• 1:31:12
  find somebody that you like there honestly, Yeah, no kidding, I mean
• 1:31:15
  hate. An interesting strategy is drafting all second basement to start off, have
• 1:31:20
  yourself a Mookie, come back with an old two ve, grab yourself like
• 1:31:26
  a haw Song Kim and a Matt McClain, and just take four of the
• 1:31:30
  great second basement in the first like you know, five rounds and just leave
• 1:31:34
  everybody else to the druthers having to work through that. So vindictive drafting.
• 1:31:41
  That's that's my style. That is Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting into
• 1:31:45
  a draft with you that you did that. So brew let's uh, let's
• 1:31:47
  wrap it up here for the week that Yeah, we were not gonna go
• 1:31:51
  quite as deep as the ten from last week. We'll cut it off here
• 1:31:54
  at the six. If you've got other guys that you're like from that MLB
• 1:31:58
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• 1:32:01
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• 1:32:12
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• 1:32:41
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• 1:32:45
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• 1:32:49
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