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A hot streak, Tarik Skubal's trade value and Joey Cora's ouster · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory Party, the
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  Speaker 1: Foul Territory Network, Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen Steckley with me,
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  Speaker 1: and as always as a man who does not have
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  Speaker 1: to fight for his right to party, he is Cody Stavenhagen.
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  Speaker 2: How we doing.
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  Speaker 3: It's all right, Kieren. We just celebrated America two fifty.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's time for a new amendment. Everyone should have
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  Speaker 3: the right to party so long as you are of age, right,
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  Speaker 3: can't we get on board with that?
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  Speaker 1: I am definitely on board with that, And actually I
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  Speaker 1: think that's exactly what the Tigers are doing right now.
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  Speaker 2: They are fighting for their right to party.
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  Speaker 1: If the party is the right to fight for the
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  Speaker 1: postseason or help make the postseason, make or run whatever.
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  Speaker 2: We're recording this a.
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  Speaker 1: Few hours after a six to two win for the Tigers.
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  Speaker 1: They have now won six of seven. Tarrek Scooble is
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  Speaker 1: still on the team, Cole Keith is you know the
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  Speaker 1: power is still there. They're taking advantage of mistakes instead
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  Speaker 1: of being taken advantage of even kind of getting out
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  Speaker 1: of jams. I mean, like, if this isn't fight, if
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  Speaker 1: you're right to party, I don't know what is Cody.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy. And for anyone curious about the news
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  Speaker 3: of the day, we are going to get to Joey
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  Speaker 3: Kora here in a second, but let's talk about this
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  Speaker 3: game in this team for a little bit. First again,
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  Speaker 3: best record in the AL since June first.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I was kind of trying to resist drinking the kool aid,
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  Speaker 3: but look at it now, six and a half out
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  Speaker 3: of the Division, five, out of a wild card spot,
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  Speaker 3: continuing to pitch incredibly well. Even Jacob Waggaspak, who I
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  Speaker 3: was not a huge fan of the Tigers keeping, has
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  Speaker 3: actually been really good. So starting to kind of see
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  Speaker 3: while they kept him. It's they're in this mode right now,
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  Speaker 3: where after so long everything was going wrong, now kind
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  Speaker 3: of everything is going right again for the million time.
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  Speaker 4: They have to sustain it.
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  Speaker 3: They have to keep doing it. But man, they're starting
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  Speaker 3: to build a pretty compelling case and this is starting
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  Speaker 3: to get pretty interesting. They can string together another good
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  Speaker 3: week or two. Oof, man, it's gonna be crazy to
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  Speaker 3: see what happens when we get to the end of
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  Speaker 3: the month.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, like I said on the last episode
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  Speaker 1: that you know the you know, the one game they
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  Speaker 1: lost in these last seven, the against the Rangers. The
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  Speaker 1: game I was at and I said, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: you know, the whole meme. I came away impressed or
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  Speaker 1: whatever because they fought back from being perfect game by
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  Speaker 1: a damn good pitcher.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: This is the you know, actual I came away impressed,
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  Speaker 1: not the mean version of like like, look, you get
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  Speaker 1: the two spot early and then you have Scooble on
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  Speaker 1: the mountain. Do you think, okay, like this is this
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  Speaker 1: is excellent. But he still gives up the bomb in
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  Speaker 1: a you know, less an ideal situation. Three to one
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  Speaker 1: count hangs, a slider, nine hole hitter, all that stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and now it's like a one run game, and I
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  Speaker 1: just have to imagine it, like and this is kind
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  Speaker 1: of what I want to know. Like among the excitement
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  Speaker 1: of the streak in the you know, school bubblehead day
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  Speaker 1: and you know, coming back after a really successful road
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  Speaker 1: trip that had to be kind of a tension filled
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  Speaker 1: park there Cody about like just like oh man, could
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  Speaker 1: the could the could the party be over already?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 1: And then and then look, you know, mal Jerry comes
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  Speaker 1: in and he gets like the luck double right, and
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  Speaker 1: and then Matt Berley and hits a hits a.
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  Speaker 2: Ball that was what two balls with outside the.
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  Speaker 1: Zone down the line for a double and McGonagall score
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  Speaker 1: singles him home, and all of a sudden, it's like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: are we okay like this? There's a good portion of
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  Speaker 1: the season this was happening to us.
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  Speaker 2: Now we get to do it, you know, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: So like like, what is that like an accurate description
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  Speaker 1: of the mood and in the ballpark today, because because
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you that's what I was feeling watching you know, watching.
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  Speaker 3: A home uh well, hearing to your your first part
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  Speaker 3: of that point. I wasn't nervous at all when Terry
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  Speaker 3: Scoobale was on the mound because it's Trek Scouoble. Even
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  Speaker 3: though he was in some sticky situations, especially against that
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  Speaker 3: line up. Yeah, Nick Kura, Jacob Wilson. You know, they
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  Speaker 3: have some talented hitters. But he wasn't exactly facing the
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  Speaker 3: twenty seven Yankees, and even though he wasn't at his
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  Speaker 3: most efficient tonight, the stuff was still pretty good. It
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  Speaker 3: was still pretty lethal when he was landing pitches where
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  Speaker 3: he wanted them to go. He finished with twenty two whiffs.
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  Speaker 3: I think a forty two percent whiff rate. So I
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  Speaker 3: think that's the benefit of having the back to back
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  Speaker 3: rating cy young winners still on your team is that
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  Speaker 3: you can get in a spot like that and have
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  Speaker 3: pretty good confidence he's going to get you out of
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  Speaker 3: those jams. And as far as at the plate, like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, is someone due for a
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  Speaker 3: big hit as Matt Vierling, I'm not sure. He did
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  Speaker 3: certainly come through in a big spot. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that I had as much confidence that was a tenth spot,
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  Speaker 3: that was a big moment. Can the Tigers capitalize and
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  Speaker 3: take advantage? But I swear baseball has a funny way of,
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  Speaker 3: you know, games flipping like that when a team makes
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  Speaker 3: an error or mental mistake in that case, it seems
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  Speaker 3: like they come back to bite you. More often than not.
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  Speaker 3: The Tigers were able to make the mistake in the field,
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  Speaker 3: come back to bite the A's and then yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: get five out of Schooble. It certainly was not his
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  Speaker 3: longest outing, his most durable outing, but punched nine he
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  Speaker 3: was pretty good. And then and then the bullpen, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I guess the Drew Anderson spot was was not something
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  Speaker 3: I was totally loving, but made a pitch when it
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  Speaker 3: counted and got you out of there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But again to your point about like you know, when
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  Speaker 1: the errors come, usually, like you know, the bad stuff
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  Speaker 1: happens like that's yeah, tigers had it and then they
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  Speaker 1: got they got to avoid it like you know, again
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  Speaker 1: really sticky. But you know, the bot as we said,
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  Speaker 1: when the things were bad, the bottom line is the
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  Speaker 1: bottom line. Now we can say the bottom line is
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  Speaker 1: the bottom line where they you know, they were able
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  Speaker 1: to get the get the wind there and uh and
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  Speaker 1: you know, to to go back to Schooble here for
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  Speaker 1: a second. It is one of those instances where we're
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  Speaker 1: still not I just think we're still trying to find
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  Speaker 1: our ground on the best way to kind of assess
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  Speaker 1: Teriff school outings right now, because we have the remarkable
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  Speaker 1: comeback nine k's and two walks with one earned run
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  Speaker 1: and five hits, you're thinking, oh right, but again he
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  Speaker 1: only goes five and the pitch count was long.
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  Speaker 2: There for a second, I think I don't have it
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  Speaker 2: in front of me.
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  Speaker 1: It was like six batters with like six or more
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  Speaker 1: pitches in it at bat you know, you know, something
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  Speaker 1: like that, And so like there were times where he
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  Speaker 1: certainly wasn't as efficient as you would expect Terrek School
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  Speaker 1: to be, but at the same time he was he
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  Speaker 1: was dominant enough to get out of every spot he
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  Speaker 1: needed to get out of. And so the question, the
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  Speaker 1: biggest question is then, did he raise his trade value today?
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  Speaker 1: Because because that's what everybody wants to know, And you know,
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  Speaker 1: if we're going to ride the roller coaster or with
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  Speaker 1: this team on a win loss basis, it's only fair
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  Speaker 1: that we ride the roller coaster of teic Google's trade value,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so ninety six pitches but five five innings,
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  Speaker 1: but nine k's like value up, value down.
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  Speaker 2: That's you know, that's the differ.
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  Speaker 3: I think the value stayed the same. I think the
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  Speaker 3: chances of him getting traded with each win or although
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  Speaker 3: they are still pretty high. I mean, Tiger's playoff odds
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  Speaker 3: are twenty eight percent right now. If you want to
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  Speaker 3: try to start putting numbers on things, pretty you know,
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  Speaker 3: more likely than not he gets traded. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, twist your head. You can start to
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  Speaker 3: see a world where, hey, why don't we just keep them?
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  Speaker 3: We've been playing the best, the best baseball in the
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  Speaker 3: al since June first. Keep doing that, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: regardless of how many games they're they're within at the deadline.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying this is going to happen, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: saying it's something to chew on. And I do think
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  Speaker 3: that's how the front office is looking at this. In
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  Speaker 3: terms of his trade value. Yeah, I think it's pretty
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  Speaker 3: much the same. I think as long as the stuff
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  Speaker 3: is there and it wasn't interesting. His fastball was like
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  Speaker 3: ninety He threw a ninety four mile an hour fastball
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  Speaker 3: one point ninety five. That was kind of when he
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  Speaker 3: was struggling with command, the pitch count was starting to
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  Speaker 3: build up. I think he was just kind of trying
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  Speaker 3: to scale back and throw strikes. I don't think he
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  Speaker 3: talking to him afterwards. He didn't necessarily consciously dial back
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  Speaker 3: the ve lo, but maybe when just the focus he's
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  Speaker 3: trying to get a little bit more fine, the body
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  Speaker 3: doesn't move as fast, the ball doesn't come out as fast.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of how Terrek phrased it. But otherwise, you know,
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  Speaker 3: then he finishes the fifth inning, the fastball averages ninety
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  Speaker 3: seven point seven or something. As long as the stuff
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  Speaker 3: is there, as long as the changeup is missing bats, Like,
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  Speaker 3: this guy is going to be valued exactly how we
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  Speaker 3: all think he's going to be valued, which is very highly.
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  Speaker 3: Would it be nice? Like would it help to have
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  Speaker 3: that vintage Terrek Schoogle performance? You know, seven shutout innings
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  Speaker 3: twelve k's just complete and utter cy young form dominance,
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  Speaker 3: Like maybe you know what you don't want is his
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  Speaker 3: teams say, well, he only has a three five RA
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  Speaker 3: since he came back, Like, this guy's pretty good, but
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  Speaker 3: how about instead of our second best prospect, you just
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  Speaker 3: take our third best prospect, like any room for doubt?
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  Speaker 3: I think a picture of Trek Scuoble's stature. It's still
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  Speaker 3: not really going to matter, but would it be nice
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  Speaker 3: to see, you know, that that masterful performance from Schooble
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  Speaker 3: between now and the deadline, whether he's here or elsewhere, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that'd probably be nice, But as a J. Hinchman should
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  Speaker 3: after the game like that, you know, that's the bar.
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  Speaker 3: He's held to one run through five innings, nine punches,
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  Speaker 3: and we're like, oh yeah, I mean he was okay,
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  Speaker 3: And to Terrek's credit, he wasn't very pleased with his outing.
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  Speaker 3: He said, you know, I think I had twenty plus
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  Speaker 3: non competitive pitches today, which I didn't go and count
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  Speaker 3: non competitive pitches or how he defines a non competitive pitch,
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  Speaker 3: but he did, he had, he had some non competitive
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  Speaker 3: He was out of the strike zone more than normal.
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  Speaker 3: It was far from his best, and yet you look
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  Speaker 3: up and it's like, well, you will still take that
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  Speaker 3: almost every single time. Be Nice sco a little deeper
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  Speaker 3: in the game. But Terrek Scoogle, in my mind, continues
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  Speaker 3: to be just fine. And I think eventually we will
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  Speaker 3: see him, you know, truly go out there and shove.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, look, I'm not going to put a percentage
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  Speaker 1: on this game in terms of you know, or a
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  Speaker 1: zero out of ten scale or whatever, but just to
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  Speaker 1: throw out a number that's not ten, seven out of ten,
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  Speaker 1: Tarrek Schoolble is still somebody that you're going to ride
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  Speaker 1: with ten times out of ten, right, So I think
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  Speaker 1: we all agree on that one. But to wrap up
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  Speaker 1: the TEK discussion here momentarily, which we will have plenty,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is bibblehead night right, And you know, and
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  Speaker 1: he's on the mound in America. Are maybe I am
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  Speaker 1: just like naive and just not thinking things big enough picture.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not on Tark schoolble countdown mode in terms of
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  Speaker 1: like could this be his what I last start with
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers?
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  Speaker 2: Like maybe? Should I be maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Like is the question and does that or is that
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  Speaker 1: a feeling you know amongst you know, the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Greater Metro Detroit.
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't think so. If they had lost six
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  Speaker 3: of seven instead of one six of seven, we might
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  Speaker 3: be having that conversation, like seriously, because it would the
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  Speaker 3: picture would be a lot bleaker, But especially when they've
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  Speaker 3: made a little bit of a compelling case here. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I see no way that the Tigers would pull the
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  Speaker 3: trigger on on some sort of deal early.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very very good to know, very good to know.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, you should cherish every chance
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  Speaker 1: you get to watch Terek School pitch because the man
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  Speaker 1: is one of the best pitchers in history if you
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  Speaker 1: look at, you know, the stretch that he's on right now.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are going to take a quick break
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  Speaker 1: and then afterward we are going to get to the
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  Speaker 1: most shocking news of the day, which is the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: and Joey Kora mutually partying ways.
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, So, yeah, the the The
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  Speaker 1: proverbial bomb that was dropped in Tiger's land was the
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  Speaker 1: was the news that Joey Korra will no longer be
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  Speaker 1: the infield base running and most notably in terms of
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  Speaker 1: things that you get to see on a on a
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  Speaker 1: game the game basis third base coach for the Tigers,
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  Speaker 1: and uh And the reason it's it's it's shocking is
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  Speaker 1: apparent is because like he felt like somebody from Jump
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  Speaker 1: Street Cody that just had his fingerprints all over this
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  Speaker 1: Tigers like ethos organization, like he was from he was
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  Speaker 1: always going to be dependent on for development of young
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  Speaker 1: players and you know the whole Reviving Hobby baias you
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  Speaker 1: know story at the at the very beginning there, and
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  Speaker 1: you kind of like you think of an AJ Hinch
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  Speaker 1: organization and you think of that word organization like it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a very Hinch thing to make this
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  Speaker 1: kind of move in season, right, And so so that
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  Speaker 1: was kind of my like instant reaction. It just felt
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  Speaker 1: like really out of character and obviously out of left field,
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  Speaker 1: despite you know, some of the glaring, I guess you'd
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  Speaker 1: call mistakes that he made as a third base coach.
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  Speaker 1: Your instant reaction than just kind of feeling things out
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  Speaker 1: talking to AJ and and players and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was pretty well, said Kieran. For
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  Speaker 3: as much as you know, we've talked about Joey Korrer's
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  Speaker 3: decision sending runners home, and I didn't necessarily always agree
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  Speaker 3: with all of them, I certainly got the since Joey
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  Speaker 3: Korra was an incredibly impactful coach, maybe the single most
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  Speaker 3: impactful assistant other than like Chris Vetter, Robin Lund in
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  Speaker 3: terms of guys more on the offensive or defensive side,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in AJ Hinch's tenure, and AJ said as much,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Joey did a lot for kind of ingraining
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  Speaker 3: that aggressive style in the team's DNA. He did a
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  Speaker 3: lot for upping the intensity. That was kind of part
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  Speaker 3: of bringing him in was finding a coach with some edge.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it took a few years under AJ's tenure
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  Speaker 3: to kind of get that assistant who really was kind
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  Speaker 3: of bringing that fire. You think back to the twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four playoff run, in the infamous Joey Corra meeting
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  Speaker 3: in Seattle where he laid into him and then they
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  Speaker 3: started taking the extra bases at a historic rate. They're
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  Speaker 3: still doing that they have I think a fifty three
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  Speaker 3: extra bases taken percentage, which is best in the major
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  Speaker 3: leagues and one of the best in all baseball. They
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  Speaker 3: still make some outs on the bases. Their overall base
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  Speaker 3: running quality isn't quite what it was a year ago.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually been better lately. I think you look at
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  Speaker 3: like the base running metrics, their their tenth on stat
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  Speaker 3: Cast and base running runs above average. So that leads
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  Speaker 3: me to believe this had to be more than like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you got too many guys thrown out at home. I
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  Speaker 3: get this since there must have been much more going
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  Speaker 3: on here and some of that stuff were just not
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  Speaker 3: really privy to and we may never know. For the record,
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  Speaker 3: I don't really have much of a relationship with Joey Korra.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Under AJ's policy where coaches don't interact with
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  Speaker 3: the media, it can be tough to get to know
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  Speaker 3: those guys. Saw my know a little bit, some at
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  Speaker 3: least say hi. Joey was certainly one to keep his
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  Speaker 3: head down and kind of treats like we don't exist.
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  Speaker 3: But I did text Joey and see if he, you know,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: had anything to say or any of his side. He
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: wanted out there and no response, So maybe that means
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know that can mean anything. It's it's just
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: really interesting. The timing is interesting too, like why not
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: wait until the All Star break and then walk away?
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Does that make it easier?
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: And to be clear, I did ask AJ point blank
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: like is this is there anything else here like off
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: field misconduct? Unfortunately with this organization those questions kind of necessary.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: AJ was pretty pointed saying no, this was a strictly
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: baseball decision, like he really wanted that to be known.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: So if we are to believe that, it does kind
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: of just make it weirder, like the timing of this,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: and then what exactly led to this? AJ did use
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: the term philosophical differences, So again, I think that's probably
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: more than just like waving guys home. Maybe it's a
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: defensive thing, Maybe it's on the infield. Maybe it's just
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: little arguments that it's simmered for two and a half
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: years and finally reached ahead with one or both of them.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know, so probably shouldn't speculate a whole lot more,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: but is very interesting, certainly some very interesting palace intrigue
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: with the Tigers' coaching staff here to see how a
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: guy who seemed to be such an impactful coach would
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: just be more or less let go in the middle
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: of July and actually when the team is starting to
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: win some games too.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: That's the thing is that it just it's hard to
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: kind of mesh all these good feelings that have been
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: around the team since June one with the something that
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you would just assume to be like for lack of
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a better term, like inner turmoil amongst like the either
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the relationship or again even if it's not personal, just
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: like the philosophical inner turmoil, you know what I mean,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't necessarily mess with what we've seen,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: but what we've been seeing. And to your point, Cody,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: on the infield, that was actually something that I went
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: to more than the base running because the like even
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: though like base running is supposed to and you know
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: they say still will be you know, sort of one
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: of these teams ethos, it also is supposed to be
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: like a sound defensive team, and just if you look
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: at infield defense alone, it's just it's just not like
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: minus ten outs above average, which ranks twenty third in
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, and then runs prevented again this is
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: just infield minus seven, which is also twenty third in
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball for baseball. Soot they're they're they're they're
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: just they're certainly not getting outs about you know, above average, right,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and they're cat and it's costing this and it has
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: cost this team over the course of the season thus far.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And if you want to point out, okay, well you
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: have Colt Keith that doesn't have a position. Yeah, especially
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Torkelsen who grades out well below average. You know, you
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: have you throw the rookie in there, Kevin McGonagall, who
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I you know, I think we're all pleased with his
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: defense overall, especially at short stop, but you know, still
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a rookie, you know, twenty one years old or whatever,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: maybe not in his most natural position. And then you know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: injuries to Torres, who I think we thought was better
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: defensively than his reputation last season, injuries to Hobby like,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: all these things, Troy, you know, Trey Sweeney, you know,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the potential being there, all these things kind of working
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: against them. But maybe maybe it was just something where
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a move, in AJ's opinion, had to be made. But
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I think infield defense could play as much, if not more,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of a role than than just way of sending guys
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: at home, or even I'll say just the coaching of
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the base running as opposed to just like you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: when he's sending you know whatever, the most obvious thing
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: we see, the most obvious thing thing we see. I
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: don't think is the reason for this.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, And certainly there may have been
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: disagreements over certain decisions on the bases and maybe that
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: created resentment or something. Who knows the infield stuff. You
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: know what, if I were Joey Korra and I were
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: getting blamed for the infield play, maybe I'd want out
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the season two because look at
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: this roster, all right, no one should have expected this
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: to be a good defensive infield, especially after you lose
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Hovey Baias. Luckily, Kevin McGonagall has kind of exceeded expectations
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: in terms of at shortstop especially, but Cole Keith Spen
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: rhetoricals and Glabor Torres, who has grated out better, is
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: still not a good defensive second baseman. Like, I don't
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: know how much you can put that blame on Joey Kuorra,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: But then you think about that, like there are other
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: intriccies there too. We see Joey out on the field
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: working with these guys early all the time, and maybe
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: it's like you're working these guys too hard, you're taxing them,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: you're fatiguing them, or maybe it's like these guys you like, like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Again, I'm not really even though I'm
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: throwing out all these things, I'm not comfortable speculating.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: One thing.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Aj Hinch just said, like, you know, it's kind of
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: like a family. You have these close relationships, but they
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: don't always last forever. And maybe that's apps here because
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: think about your family, my family, all our families, like
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: families are very complicated entities, right, there's always a lot
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: going on. There are things beneath the surface that simmer.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: And that's my read probably kind of what happened here.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Things whatever it was, just kind of eventually came to
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: a head. I think the timing is unfortunate, and you're right,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: it does seem a little un Hinch like, I don't know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I'll leave it there. You know, we don't know what
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Joey Korrer has going on in his personal life or
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: other things like that as well. You know, his brother
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: obviously was fired this season. I'm sure that's a good
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: toll on their whole family. Like, like, who knows, it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: it's very strange. It's very interesting for sure, and I
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: will be curious if we ever learn a little more
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: as to what went down and why.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's an element of, you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to use the football analogy, the head coach is ultimately
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: responsible for the play calls by either the defense or
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, and like he's the one that has to
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: answer for them. AJ has to answer for all these things,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you know, the things we see and the things unseen,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and you know it's his it's his team, it's his
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: way or the highway. And Joey Korrer has been in
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: this game a long time. He's been coaching this game
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a long time. It could be just one of those
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: things where maybe it naturally just kind of ran its course.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the other thing I was gonna say,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Like for my perception, like AJ Hinch, you know, very
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: bright guy, very type a, though very detail oriented. I
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: don't think he's always the easiest to work for every
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: single day because he demands a lot, right, and Joey
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Korra really intense guy, like we talked about. I think
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: those are two strong personalities, so maybe you can see
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: like even when Alex was AJ's bench coach, it's documented
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: in books that like they didn't always get along, So
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: like sometimes when you just have two people who are
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: really good at what they do, that can create levels
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: of tension over time.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Got any scouting report on Billy Boyer, who was going
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to be taking over COR's duties.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not a ton, especially as he's newer. I don't
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: know Billy a ton, but does seem like a popular,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: well liked guy. He had come up, you know, kind
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: of through the Tiger's farm system.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: With a lot of these guys.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: He's been with Cole Keith almost every step of the way,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: and a lot of people forget he was on staff
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: at Seattle University when Trek Skouble was there. So this
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: guy has ties to a lot of different players, a
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: lot of different facets of the organization. AJ obviously thought
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: highly of Billy enough to put him on the major
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: league staff this year, and really thinks highly enough of
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: him to elevate him to the pressure packed role that
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: is the third base coach right now, even though he's
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: never really done it in major League action before he
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: did coach third base summon spring while Joey Kora was
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: at the World Baseball Classic. But I think that's interesting.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: You know, you could put Anthony Sanders, who's been a
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: long time MLB based coach, move him over there. You
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: could have brought in someone else like you could have
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: done a number of things. But AJ clearly thinks highly
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: enough of Billy Boyer that he's now going to be
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the third base coach and take over those primary infield duties.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Seems popular amongst players. Does seem like one of those
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: guys who was kind of on the rise. So could
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: be a heck of an opportunity for Billy Boyer.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how enthusiastic he's waving those runners around
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a big su to fill in that regard. All right,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: we are going to take a quick break and then
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: afterward get to some news and notes regarding a couple
• 25:10
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• 26:19
  Speaker 2: All right up the top here.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Wanted to say great to hear that Wentzel Perez back
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: in Detroit, you know, and you know, whatever his rehab
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: is and all that stuff, that's one of the best
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: news signs that we've heard about him in a while.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So good that he's gotten to the point where he's
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: okay to be at America among the guys. I'm sure
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: he feels great about that. Will Vest stayed in Dallas,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: more specifically Arlington, going to be looked at a specialist there. Again,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: they're not right now like talking about Tommy John ligament
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: asque treatment options.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: But it's a picture.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: You just gotta wait and see until they tell us
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: something to get a better idea. And then Jackson Joe
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Jackson Job Cody made an appearance in twenty twenty six.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: He had a rehab stint in Lakeland. He went only
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: went one point one ny. He gave up two hits
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and an earned run and had a k. But if
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you're just looking for the positives coming off his Tommy
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: John surgery, first pitch one hundred miles an hour, he
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: averaged ninety eight point eight. Now again, yeah, you know
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: he only had thirty two pitches. So we know Jackson
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Joe when he knows he's got a short stint that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: he just likes to fire him in there. But he
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: averaged almost ninety nine miles an hour on his four team,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: fourteen four teams he threw. He was a ninety six
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to five guy in his starts in twenty twenty five,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: so not a huge lot of analysis here. My short
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: impression is stuff good. Now we got to go back
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to being a young guy who learns how to pitch,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and that will be That will be the plan. I'm
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: sure here moving forward? Do the Tigers even speaking of plans?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Do they have like a real plan or is this
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: just kind of like a one step at a time
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: deal with him given the surgery, the age, and again
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the lack of refinement being such a young guy.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I would say some of both here. The Tigers have
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: always planned for him to contribute this year, and I
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: believe AJ recently said something to the effective, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: to contribute in a large role or something to that effect.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: But you can't really put the cart ahead of the
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: horse here. He does have to check every box. It
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: does sound like this is going to be a longer
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: rehab outing. It's not going to be like, oh, he
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: looks good, let's bring him up to the majors. Like
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: he has to clearly build up the volume more. They're
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: gonna take it slow, They're going to be very cautious.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: And then part of me that no one has said this,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: but I wonder if it matters on where the team
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: is at. I mean, clearly, if they trade everyone off,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: he's probably going to eventually be inserted as a starter.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: But let's say don't and they're making a playoff run.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Do you bring him back in the bullpen and tell
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: him to throw one hundred and six miles an hour
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: and try to contribute and then kind of start the
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: polishing and the refinement again over again in the off season.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I think that could be interesting, depending on the health
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: of the pitching staff, the complexion of the team, and
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: where the team is at in the standings for now.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Probably not fair to be hard on a guy after
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: his first rehab outing back from Tommy john Uh, But
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: just looking at it, it seemed kind of classic Jackson job.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: He threw a billion miles an hour and still gave
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: up some hits, still gave up a run in Class
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: A like. It's different Trek Scoogle's rehab outing. He hadn't
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: been out for more than a year. He had been
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: out for like a month. But you know, he looked
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: completely overwhelming against high A hitters, Like those dudes were
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: not hitting him. His stuff was getting by them. And
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: that does reflect X and job for as filthy as
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: he's been. He's always been a little more hittable than
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the models would suggest or that just watching him pitch
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: would suggest, or like this guy looks nasty and then
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: the fastball gets hit. That's really the next step I
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: think for him to figure out how to miss more bats,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: to figure out why this fastball that is triple digits
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: is so susceptible to contact and sometimes loud contact.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's a.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Blessing in disguise of having this time away and now
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: these rehab starts, he can try to figure some things
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: out in a lower pressure environment. This is obviously still
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: a kid who has a super high ceiling and all
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: the talent in the world.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't see any postgame quotes or anything. By doubt
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: he used the phrase trying to hit a fly off
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: of bulls ass or whatever that thing that he said
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: last year when he was just kind of focused on
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: rear and back and throwing.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: So, you know, a lot of what we talk about
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: now is the short term long term considerations. Well talk
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: you know, Jackson Joe definitely in the category of short
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: term and long term considerations for this franchise. So uh,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: because the talent is so great and got to make
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: sure you do right by him.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Of course. All right, let's wrap up here, Cody.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: You know, the Tigers got on board with Colt Keith
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: h hitting the hit, the two run home run, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: uh was that.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I forget the pitch.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I think it was a cutter, a cutter that hung,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: uh carried the tall right field wall. And we talked
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a lot about McGonagall and Green and Dingler on our
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: last episode, and it's like, well, man, you're twelve games
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: under five hundred, which they were at the time of
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the announcement, and you got three All Stars. It really
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: means the other guy's got to start pulling their.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Weight a little bit. Well.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Colt Keith, you know, people forget how hot he was
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, and it is like,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: could the be the real breakout or whatever? If I
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: look at guys that it's like, you know that I
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: look to be the ones that kind of pull more weight.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Cold Keith might be number one on my list. I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: don't know if he's number one on yours, but even
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: just looking at some of his metrics, it's again an
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: example just like all these things that are there, but
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like the payoff has happened. We talked
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit about that with Torque, but I think
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Colt has shown more consistency and in a little bit
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: more like he obviously he's never been sent down like
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Torque has a couple of times. Right, and you look
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: at it. You have the got the savant page up
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: on our YouTube. Ninety two percent tile squared up percentage.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: He's not chasing eighty three percent tile.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Uh, his valuing.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Average is a little bit below expected and that you know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: squared up percentage ninety two percent like all this read
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: here and you throw in the sprint speed like you know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: cold Keith athlete.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Again, it's something I had. I feel like I have
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to reiterate to people who don't believe me. A lot
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: of this is there, Cody and you're throwing the fact
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: that you know he's the left hander who is you
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: know good is a part of the piece of every
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: single aj Hinch decision as to when to bring him in,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: does he have to come out?
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: All this stuff like Carpenter can be kind of like power.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Nothing tortlesen. Everybody knows the story. Cole Keith tends to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: be in there and he tends to be high on
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the lineup. Every time he's in there. I feel like
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: AJ's looking to him to be the fourth guy, are
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you yeah?
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I think I think I am. I mean I was
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: pretty high when the cold Keith break out your train,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: and you know, when he cooled off and when he
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: wasn't hitting for power, I did have a moment. I
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: was like, all right, maybe we just have to really
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: readjust our expectations. And then I look at this Kieran
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: and it's like, well, that's kind of hard to do,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: all right. I mean, yeah, you know, you'd like the
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: average exit velo to be higher. He doesn't generate a
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: ton of bat speed for a big, strong guy, but
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: his swing decisions, for the most part, are very good.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: He's not walking. It's on, but he's not chasing, he's
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: not whipping. Do you think unlike Torque or even unlike Carpenter,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: you have a pretty good idea what you're going to
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: get in terms of at back quality. He generally hangs
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: in the box and gives you a pretty good at bat.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: He just hasn't quite putting everything together to consistently drive
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: the ball, drive the ball for power and is it
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: still in there? Like I have a hard time believing
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: it's not now. I don't know. Maybe he's never going
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: to be the twenty five to thirty homer guy that
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: we would like, or maybe he still can be. But
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: at the least I think there is a little more
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: in there from Cole Keath. Look at the ball he
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: hit today, hit a four hundred and twenty seven feet
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: He killed it. So you add that power potential with
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: what's generally a pretty good at back quality, and I
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: think there's a guy that Tigers have to get more
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: out of, not only because they've given him that contract extend,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: but because this is a dude who has some talent.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: You want to be able to believe in that talent
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: and believe that col Keith is going to hit enough
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: to justify, you know, some of the questions short term
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: and long term about his position and how he fits
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: the bat's going to have to be a little bit
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: better for that puzzle to smooth itself out. So anytime
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I see col Keith single ball or cold Keith get
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: going a little bit, it's encouraging. Although this is year
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: three for him, he is still a pretty young guy.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: He's twenty four years old. I think we hold him
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: to a pretty high standard, especially because he's been here
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: for a while now. But with some guys it just
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: takes a little bit longer, and maybe col Keith is
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: one of those. I don't know, we will see.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I mean there are not like shallow and low volume
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: conversations about whether this contract was already like something that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: you know, the Tigers just have to take a massive
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: l on and I think those reports have been greatly
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: exaggerated and.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Just they're never going to play more than fifteen millions,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: So this was never really gonna be a massive l
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: That's the good thing about that contract.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little interesting note. So he went, you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: however long without hitting a home run this season. His
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: career high up to this point, it's only two seasons
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: is thirteen home runs.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: He's got seven now.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Right, And so we're you know at the meta, you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the halfway point of the season, you know, with the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: All Star break coming up. If the power service continues,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: he should like surpass that. And he's still hitting for
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: about the same average. You talk about you know, expectors
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: at bet still hitting for about the same average.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: You want the on base to go up a little
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: bit more.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: But we're talking about things that, uh, we're talking about
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: things that that the talent is there, and then can
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the rest catch up to the talent? Is what we're
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: always talking about with Cole Keith, and I think that's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: also important to keep in mind.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: You know, they were showing some stuff on the scoreboard today.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: I was asking players if they like roller coasters and
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Riley Green was like, oh, yeah, I love it. Matt
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Vierling even was like, oh yeah, you know, I went
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: to some in spring training at Disney. It was a blast.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Like all these guys were saying yes, yes, yes, and
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: this Cold Keith like, no, I hate it. My family
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: used to make me go to amusement parks. It was terrible.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: And he's talked before about how he likes like emo
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: music and stuff. Think we just like, get this guy
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: a red bull, Like, let's get Cold Keith a red Bull,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: and I think he might hit thirty homers.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I just you know, there's this spongingship opportunity right there.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: We'll we'll have to get the two parties together on
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that one. All right, anything else, Cody before we jet
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: out of here?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: No, that is all for now.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: A crazy season continues to be crazy. We had someone
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: fired today for no apparent reason, in the middle of
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: the season, Like what a strange, strange.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Year we are in the middle of and we'll be
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: there every step of the way. Our next episode, well
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: put this out on Socials too. Our next episode will
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: be a mailbag, so we'll be on the lookout. Ask
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: us all the questions, trade, deadline, draft, whatever you got
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: on your mind. We will answer them on our next
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: episode heading into the weekend. So at Cody Stavenhagen at
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Keran Underscore s dectly at Tiger Territory Underscore is where
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you'll find that information. So for Cody Stavenhagen, I'm Kieran Steckley. Everybody,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: have a great day.